Should the 49ers Entertain the Idea of Bringing Troy Smith Back?
Fooch's Note: This is a topic that hasn't really been addressed so definitely worth moving to the front page.
There has been a lot of debate around here as just what to do with the 3rd quarterback spot.
Some have said bring back David Carr due to an adverse contractual and financial implication. Others have mentioned bringing in an unrestricted free agent to groom and pimp out to another team because of Harbaugh's reputation of being a QB groomer.
However, not many folks have mentioned, or entertained the idea of bringing Troy Smith back to compete with Carr for that 3rd spot. He was afterall the starter for a couple of games last year and didn't do too shabby.
I am not a big advocate about talking about 3rd string quarterbacks often but with not much going on with the lockout still being in place, it's an interesting enough topic.
In the six games that Smith saw action in, he put up solid enough numbers to at least get some consideration for a third string spot.
Here is the breakdown in his numbers in the games he played in:
October 31st, 2010 (Denver) - Rating 115.2 | Completions 12/19 | Yards 196 | Touchdowns 1 | Interceptions 0
November 14th, 2010 (St. Louis) - Rating 116.7 | Completions 17/28 | Yards 356 | Touchdowns 1 | Interceptions 0
November 21st, 2010 (Tampa Bay) - Rating 51.5 | Completions 16/31 | Yards 148 | Touchdowns 0 | Interceptions 1
November 29th, 2010 (Arizona) - Rating 61.7 | Completions 11/23 | Yards 129 | Touchdowns 1 | Interceptions 1
December 5th, 2010 (Green Bay) - Rating 64.4 | Completions 10/25 | Yards 194 | Touchdowns 1 | Interceptions 1
December 26th, 2010 (St. Louis) - Rating 62.0 | Completions 7/19 | Yards 153 | Touchdowns 1 | Interceptions 1
I understand these numbers above are not eye-popping but understand that this is a discussion in regards to the 3rd stringer. A guy who is the wildcard in your back pocket used only in case of emergency situations where both your first and second string guys are out and cannot go. You don't see it happen often but it does happen (See: Chicago Bears in the Championship Game 2011).
I understand that there are several options moving forward.
There's the possibility that the Niners bring in a vet and we wind up with that vet, Alex Smith, and Colin Kaepernick as the quarterbacks.
There's a scenario where the 49ers could bring in an undrafted free agent and that guy pushes Carr out.
There are several possibilities... but ...there has to be some consideration for Smith. He did not play that horrible last year to not consider him over Carr or an UDFA and at times actually looked quite capable of getting it done. Under the right direction and coaching staff he could be a decent guy to have on the bench.
One thing I do know, is as bad as the quarterback situation has been, there are not many fans that really care to bring Carr back for a second season.
I will add a poll below to see how many of you would feel about letting Troy Smith, the former Heisman winner at Ohio State in 2006, have a shot at the 3rd roster spot. I also understand that some other teams may like him as their number two in what he showcased last season.
It will be fun to watch how things unfold for him none the less.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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I remember reading an article where Harbaugh was saying (when he was at SD) that Josh Johnson was better than Troy Smith and should have won the Heisman.
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Josh Johnson is not very good. And I seriously don’t buy in to him being a better college QB. That is an obvious biased statement coming from Harbaugh’s ego if he did in fact say that.
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Why, because troy went to tOSU and Johnson went to (nowhereland?)
I never thought that Troy was a great QB in college. I think that Harbaugh is good enough to look at game film of Smith and say if his guy is better or not.
by ericalancanty on Jul 17, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Harbaugh vs the trillions of people that voted Smith for the Heisman? He still to this day holds the record for most votes in a single Heisman race.
Sorry, you lose that argument.
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I don't think its trillions or even a thousand people that vote.
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There were 880 votes cast in the 2006 Heisman race,
according to the Heisman Trust.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
He was just backing his guy.
His words were something like, " I’ve seen Troy… And I like our guy!" He didn’t say Troy wasn’t a good player.
exactly how I see it
Harbaugh was probably very influenced in his loyalty to his quarterback, and who wouldn’t be
Just in case people are not reading the article before votong... this is for the 3rd spot... not the starting job
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It is for the 2nd or 3rd spot
Kaepernick doesn’t get to take over the 2nd spot without earning it.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 19, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
We’ll see. I doubt he winds up 3rd. 36th overall picks don’t very often wind up as PS material.
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So you'd rather have Carr over this?
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Troy Smith really didn't do anything in that video
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Here then:
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I know you are more than capable of providing more than just "Nope".
I’d love to hear your reasoning on why not.
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Not at all.
I feel that bringing back Troy Smith would be divisive to the locker room and detrimental to the development of both Kaepernick and continued developments of Alex and Troy Smith. With Carr, you know what you have, and his room for improvement is near nonexistent due to age and being shell-shocked from his run with the Texans. Troy Smith, on the other hand, is still young, and needs considerable coaching to continue improving; if he remains with the Niners, that coaching will take away from the attention Kaepernick and A. Smith would receive, whereas if he went somewhere else where he could be the focus of development, it’d be most beneficial to him.
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Revenge is ice cream.
If there were ways to mix him in to the offense, it may be incentive enough for him to stay.
He has much more value than Carr in terms of athleticism. I know that the Ravens used him for a bunch of gimmick plays. He threw a 50+ yard pass to Joe Falcco at one point in his career. Maybe, maybe not as far as the interest. And he could potentially be a nice #2 for someone but those teams may not be able to offer him playing time in certain packages.
I am not so sure between Jim Harbaugh, Geep Chryst, and Greg Roman having 3 capable Q’s would be a distraction to development for anyone. If anything, Smith could be a valuable asset in Kaepernick’s growth as well. Carr (Mr. battered QB syndrome) maybe not the best to have around for that.
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Good competition equals success at a position.....
David Carr is not good competition. He is not going to push AS or Kaep. But Troy Smith will. I don’t want my starting QB to be looking over his shoulder every single time he makes a mistake in a game, but I don’t want him FULLY comfortable at his position either. Striving for excellence in practice/games only makes your team better. Look back in the day it was Montana/Young/Bono…Then it was Young/Grbac until we unfortuately had to let him go because of free-agency.
All these QB’s I named I have confidence in them winning a game or two for this team, Carr not so much.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 17, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, I'd rather bring in an UDFA QB to compete with Carr. Or just keep Carr.
I’m not sure why Troy would even want to sign here. Kaepernick will be the number two guy until he takes over for Alex, so Troy would be at best the reserve QB. There are plenty of teams that could sign Troy to compete for the number two spot, and certain teams where he could potentially start a few games (i.e. the Cardinals). It just doesn’t make much sense career-wise for Troy to stick around here.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
pat devlin.
Perfect fit. Accurate enough to be a west coast style Qb.
by wtlichens on Jul 17, 2011 9:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Except he was late to his own proday
Its not a good thing.
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There could be a legit excuse for that for all we know… He could have got held up in traffic, or some sort of family emergency, etc.
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Wouldn't we have heard it by now though?
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
and getting stuck in traffic is not an excuse.
If you are not 5 minutes early you are 10 minutes late.
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Really?
So if there is major accident that happens in front of you (out of your control) and you are completely stuck, then that’s your fault? For all we know he was going to be right on time and something like that happened.
We really do not know the exact reason he was late. It could have been something totally embarrassing that he did not want to share with the media.
I honestly don’t care about that. If a guy can play football and help the 49ers win games, then I want him on the team. All the other petty issues are a bunch of garbage. Oooo… he was 20 min’s late for a pro day… BIG DEAL. Sure it’s not the first or last time it will have happened.
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Being late to your proday is a big deal
Its like being late to your job interview.
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We’re talking about a job as an NFL QB, not working at Kinkos making copies.
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Wouldn't that make it more important to be on time?
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Not for a Pro Day, it depends on the reason, and its not like hes the only athlete there.
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Its Delaware
How many NFL players come from that school.
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It was a mixed pro day
Devlin got mare attention because of the previous media attention (i.e. all the Joe Flacco comps)
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My thoughts exactly
Troy was a starter for the 49ers. He felt he could be a starter when he asked to be traded from Baltimore. There is no way he would settle for a 3rd string job. I’m sure he will find interest from other teams as at least a 2nd string QB. Best of luck to him!
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by Haggardninja on Jul 18, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I would take "Willie Beamon" over Carr any day of the week & twice on sundays....
then also add an UDFA as well such as Froman
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 17, 2011 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rather have Troy Smith than David Carr
So, yes I would totally entertain the idea
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 17, 2011 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Should the 49ers Entertain the Idea of Bringing Troy Smith Nate Davis Back?
now that is something that I would discuss
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by James Brady on Jul 17, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just when I thought we had escaped any and all Nate Davis talk WHAM!!!! ...this^
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sorry
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 17, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I totally know what you mean. That was my first thought too, haha.
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by James Brady on Jul 17, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate "The Great"?? ;-)
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 17, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
YES!!!!!!!!!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 17, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Good angle, Drew. I hadn't given it much thought. More thoughts to come later.
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David Carr is one expensive third stringer. what is he due, 3.375million this year? Adam Froman would take the league minimum
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carr plus moran plus parly cut could pay for lawson
car plus moran plus spencer cut could pay for most of a free agent cb contract
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 18, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he's talking about Parys Harrelson
by Chaotic9erFan on Jul 19, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well if dead money is involved than its like 2m saved and this is with picking up an UDFA.
Save 3m if there is no dead money. For Norris who I expect we will cut because we drafted Miller we will save 1.5 with dead 1.927m without.
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Keeping 2 FB doesn't sound very economical
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It's not. It also doesn't make much/any sense roster-space-wise.
My opinion? We should cut Norris and have Miller be the starting fullback.
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Let me get this straight
You’d cut the seasoned (if aging) vet FB for a guy who’s never taken a single snap at FB, ever? Madness.
I don’t think we know yet if roster sizes are increasing under this CBA, either, so it may be worthwhile to keep both if they do. I know Norris isn’t a fan favorite (and not much of a pass catcher) but he’s a solid lead blocker.
Yes, thats what I'm saying
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yes absolutely
moran norris is one of the worst position players to consistently start for the 49ers for the 3 decades i’ve been watching games.
i believe that between byham and miller sharing fb duties, i’m confident we will be fine. don’t forget harbaugh likes double TE sets, so walker and davis can take much of the blocking load as well.
not to mention that i really believe morris is only on the team to mollify frank gore’s “me-me-me” tantrums. tiiiired of hearing how good of friends they are and how hard gore campaigns for him while i watch him blow blocks and drop passes.
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by brooklyn49er on Jul 19, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Gore's the team's best runner
when he wants this guy blocking for him, why not give it to him? I think Gore knows what he’s talking about.
Yeah, I would.
Miller was selected to be the fullback, he may as well get in there and start perfecting his craft sooner rather than later. I’m not concerned about Miller’s lack of experience, by all accounts he is a quick learner and a hard worker. I’m sure Rathman will have him ready to go week one.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
selected to be the fullback
from the 7th round and never played the position before. You think 3 or 4 weeks of camp is going to have him playing at an NFL level at a new position? IIRC it takes 10,000 hours of practice to perform at a professional level – training camp alone isn’t gonna cut it.
I would
Norris doesn’t provide much value when he’s on the field. He’s not a good lead blocker and not a good outlet receiver. When he’s on the field the defense either knows it’s a run, or that we’ll be passing with a maximum of 4 eligible receivers.
If Miller doesn’t work out, who cares? Forget the fullback position and put more speed on the field.
This is how football is changing. You get better bang for your power running buck by putting more speed on the field and forcing the defense to thin out sideline to sideline than by lining up a lead blocker in the backfield and letting the defense stay in the box.
If your lead blocker can’t pancake a guy he’s just another guy in the way and making tackles with his back.
Cutting Norris for Miller is one of the most idiotic things you could do, at least before we've seen anything from Miller.
Also lol at “forget the fullback position.” Perhaps you haven’t heard that the 49ers are going to be a running team in 2011.
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by James Brady on Jul 20, 2011 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard
Who says you need a fullback to have a power running team?
There are two ways to get a numerical advantage at the point of attack in the running game.
1. Add a blocker.
2. Remove a defender.
Putting more speed on the field sends the defense into a nickel package which makes it much easier to run. If they stay in a base look with more men in the box then congratulations, air that ball out because someone is open.
This is why the fullback position is dying in the modern game.
Fullback position is dying? Lol.
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Yes it is
Very few of the dominant offenses in this league carry a fullback on their game day roster. The Packers are one that does, but the Colts and Patriots generally use defensive linemen or tight ends. The Saints have Heath Evans, but he sees the field so rarely it’s confusing why they dress him on Sunday.
The number of plays where you would use a fullback instead of a tight end or lineman for passing or short yardage situations just don’t justify carrying a pure fullback on the active 46 man roster.
Norris is as good as gone and we’ll probably see Miller more on the other side of the line.
Keep lulling.
The game has always been about phases. The fullback will always remain integral to some offenses.
I will indeed keep lulling, because there’s nothing funnier than reactionary lines of thought.
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"Reactionary lines of thought?"
Maybe.
But if so I’m in good company — Belicheck and Polian got there before I did. They’ve built some pretty decent offenses don’t you think?
That has literally nothing to do with anything. Some offenses don’t use it, some do. Offensive minds wax and wane, no one is the standard and no one ever will be.
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Norris cannot catch the ball...
We need a FB for the WCO that has good hands. Whether it be Byham, Miller, or someone else, it can’t be Norris. That’s why I was so pissed when we let Brit Miller get away.
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So we’ll go with a defensive end!
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He’s a defensive end who stood up occasionally and has never played fullback. I have as much fullback experience as he does.
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If the 49ers are converting him, I am sure there is good reason.
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I'm POSITIVE there's a good reason.
I’ve been telling everyone how perfect he is to play the position. But as a rookie? To cut a veteran for him? That’s plain idiocy.
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And idiocy is far, far too strong of a word. I don’t really mean that.
Suffice to say I hope they know something I don’t, because my view is that he can be a great fullback in a season or two.
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Not sure if you saw Hard Knocks with the Jets
but Tony RIchardson and John Connor was a perfect example of that… although, I would say that there still is a major difference between Norris and Richardson even.
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I would've started Brit Miller over Norris.
Norris is totally one dimensional. We may as well put and offensive guard back there at FB. If the veteran doesn’t have enough juice, and you have an ambitious rookie that is capable, it should be a no-brainer to start the ambitious rookie.
Rathman and William Floyd started as rookies and that seemed to work out just fine. I don’t think there is enough plays with the FB for the lockout to have that much impact on the position.
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I'm a Miller fan and we're on the same wavelength.
Holding onto Caulcrick even would have been nice!
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by James Brady on Jul 21, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't he on the Rams?
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
He has pretty decent hands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rs96yDkxS0
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
here's our FBOTF
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will just take a couple seasons to bring him up to NFL speed
A couple things
First, I think that Harbaugh likes his quarterbacks who are high intelligence type guys. I don’t know that Troy fits that bill. I remember they dummied down the offense (I don’t know how it’s possible to dummy down a Jimmy Raye offense), but nonetheless he didn’t have a grasp of the full playbook. Conversely, he did not have a training camp last season, but it is something to consider. Also, the Ravens dumped him so it’s possible John might have had a personal disinterest in Troy and let his brother know about it.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jul 17, 2011 8:31 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe, maybe not.
There’s no way to tell for sure. They “dummied” down the playbook for a 3rd string Willie Beamon in Any Given Sunday but he still balled, haha.
I had not heard that they did anything differently with the playbook for Smith. Where did you see, read, or hear that?
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If I'm not mistaken Singletary said that Smith had limited knowledge of the playbook, whatever that's worth.
He was probably trying to save his ass but that’s what I recall.
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mm, I don’t remember… but yeah, it sounds like a butt saving comment. I know they hated each other.
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i will back that up...I read the same thing.
by ericalancanty on Jul 17, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Singletary had limited knowledge of the playbook himself, so it's really not saying much coming from him.
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by Drew Kerr on Jul 17, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, i’m pretty sure singletary had to take the player’s word for it
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by brooklyn49er on Jul 19, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
God, that movie was awful.
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by Blank x2 on Jul 18, 2011 7:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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I don’t think the Ravens dumped Troy for those reasons. He only had a 3-yr contract.
2007 rookie year but was Ravens 2nd string.
2008 he was supposed to be the starter over Flacco but got really, really ill.
2009 there were still concerns and he didn’t get much of a shot because Flacco had a pretty impressive rookie year.
2010 signed with Niners.
2011??? I still think he is worthy of a 3rd string spot (at least)
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On Wiki it says he was released when they signed Bulger.
But yeah, I liked him last year during the Rams game. That was one of the best niner games to watch since Garcia was around. I would be down to have him around but I think he is more of the gunslinger type, and I don’t know if that is the kind of QB Harbs wants for his system.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jul 17, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Carr or Troy Smith
are you guys serious?
What did Carr do while on duty?
What did Troy do?
JH said he wants the best players in the name of competition.
Carr: Shell shocked and non athletic
Troy Smith: Swagger and more athletic then any other QB we have.
This is probably a moot point anyway, I doubt Troy wants to come back
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 17, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You never know...
Harbaugh has been telling everyone they will start to get them back. Same approach with Smith could make him want to return…. especially since Sing is long-gone.
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True
but do you think that Troy believes that if he works hard from the 3 QB spot that he’d have a chance to start over AS and CK? I wonder if he’s had any contact w/ JH since his hiring. In fact I havent heard squat about Troy this year.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 17, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
In fact I havent heard squat about Troy this year.
Maybe on purpose? Who knows… I would say, as mentioned below, it’s at least worth talking to him to see where he is at with it… assuming they haven’t already.
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Troy Smith
Given how much Harbaugh has had to say about Alex and the addition of Kaepernick, I’d imagine Troy is more inclined to look elsewhere. Yes Harbaugh has said everybody will compete for positions and whatnot, but if I’m Troy Smith I’d see the writing on the wall with how things have gone and look for a better option elsewhere. If Harbaugh hadn’t been gushing over Alex I could see Troy being more inclined to stick around, but I think he looks elsewhere.
by David Fucillo on Jul 17, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know it's a long-shot but with a free agency frenzy that will ensue, he could easily get lost in the shuffle
and only have S.F. I’d say it’s at least worth approaching him with an offer.
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What's the situation with Troy Smith?
I wanna say he was one of the few potential restricted free agents who the 49ers explicitly denounced the rights to rather than wait around to see how the new CBA played out, but I don’t remember. I would imagine that if we’re talking about what will actually happen, the chances of Troy Smith coming back are minute.
i can see that
I think they did say they wanted him gone. Probably because of that blow up on the sideline. Baalke doesn’t seem like the type to tolerate that at all.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 17, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not really interested in bringing Troy Smith back
He seems like a strong character guy with some toughness but I was not a fan of his accuracy when throwing the ball or his decision making. His performance seemed to depend on how lucky he got when he would throw up a couple jump balls. If the receiver’s made a great play or the defender fell down it would make his final numbers look better.
I mean, as a third QB he’s not bad but I don’t see him as a significant improvement over Carr. Seems like 6 of one, half dozen of the other to me.
I do like the idea of having a veteran third stringer though. I think Harbaugh’s going to be very busy this August trying to work with A. Smith and Kaepernick. I’d like for the 49ers to have a third string QB who has experience in the league and knows how to get the most out of mental reps because there won’t be a lot of snaps to go around.
OK
as it stands right now, say one of the two gets hurt and the other sucks (AS, CK), you would put Carr in over Troy?
How can you say you want the worst of the 2 QBs (Troy/ Carr) to start?
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
i guess i shouldve just asked
who would you start 1st, Carr or Troy?
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
Depends on the offense.
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by rlott#42 on Jul 18, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
SO rec'd.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Jul 18, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm iffy
What would the contract be worth. I’m not going to waste cap space for a third string QB but if we could save cap space then yes I am all for it.
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When I first read the title on twitter
I read Jim Harbaugh beaned a little girl with a fastball. I was like 49ersPR is gonna have some fun doing damage control on that.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 17, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
but pegging a little girl cmon…
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I guess she got what was coming then
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oh, come on
when I was in little league. If I had been given a chance to hit a girl with a pitch in Little League, you can bet I’d have done it.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Smith > Carr
but if it costs us cap space then its not worth it.
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I don’t see how you can say Aldon Smith is average before he ever plays a game.
By the way, this is more sarcasm, which you missed the first time.
I had my name before we drafted Aldon Smith
by asmithisaverage on Jul 20, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
you're really not good at this sarcasm thing are you
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Troy Smith in 11 weeks..
as expected didn’t know much of the playbook. Initially was signed as the 3rd string QB. Can’t imagine he got many reps in practice up until we lost all confidence in Carr after the Carolina game.
For a QB who only got in 11 weeks of practice with very limited repetitions before starting a game, he did well enough to bring him back again this year.
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by supraman on Jul 17, 2011 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS
There is a lot of harsh judgement going on, and not much to base it on. T. Smith>Carr any day of the week. Unless he overvalues himself out of what makes sense for us. I’d rather have 2 QBs than keep Carr. Free agent 3rd stringer for the win!
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
To me it's all about who was a better fit for the offense.
David Carr is a better fit for Harbaugh’s offense, though I am a big Troy Smith fan. Folks have to remember that Carr was well-regarded around the league as a capable backup before coming to San Francisco, and the only reason I (an avid hater of the signing of Carr, look it up) give him a pass is because all the talk we heard about a lack of preparation. About amatuer-level training camps being run by Mike Singletary. To me that says I can’t fault Carr, who seems like a guy who likes to study, for being bad in the Panthers game.
This will be a power rushing attack, and Troy Smith certainly can hand off the ball and run an effective play action game, but he doesn’t have the accuracy needed in the short and intermediate and that’s where Carr excels. If it were me, I’d be looking elsewhere for an upgrade over both of them, but in a pinch, there’s no reason to re-sign Troy when there’s a contract in place with Carr.
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So in essence, you are saying that David Carr is more accurate than Troy Smith on mid-ranged to shorter passes?
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In essence, I am saying that David Carr is better suited for the 49ers offense. He has better composure and instincts, he can make the throws we need of him, and he’s also under contract. You can’t ignore other parts of my post. What about the bit about preparation? How I talked about Carr and the short end of the stick? There is no “in essence,” I typed two paragraphs because I had two paragraphs worth of point to make!
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What about mobility?
It seems as though the offenses Harbaugh has run, most of all of those guys have been very mobile. Smith always had really good passes while on the run or roll out. I don’t see Carr as being a very mobile QB in that sense.
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Screw mobility, when has Carr exhibited anything James stated.
He played so heartless vs Carolina he shouldn’t land a job anywhere. He seemed like a lane duck, I’d take Terrell Pryor over Carr.
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Would you take Pryor over Smith?
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Yes, mainly because Id like to keep Lawson, Franklin, and Baas.
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You think Pryor will come cheaper than Carr with Drew R as his agent?
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what determines that?
He was a 5th rounder at best. After the cba, You could have Don King and wouldn’t get pryor that much money. He’s not worth vet minimum….
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In a supplemental draft, it is basically like an auction… he will go to the highest bidder.
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You have ignored the rest of the post, regarding preparation and the type of environment these guys have been exposed to with Mike Singletary. They didn’t even have NFL-level training camps, come on now. Carr was well-regarded coming into San Francisco even if I hated the signing. Three quarters of play does not a terrible quarterback make. Your first sentence “when has Carr exhibited anything James stated” is just … I mean, really? You have tunnel vision that badly?
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Preparation?
Can you explain that to me? Yeah Carr got a few more (mayhaps many more) reps in practice but how many more did Troy get in actual game scenarios? Carr in game didn’t show and hasn’t shown when the rubber hit the road. I would love for Carr to turn out or any of our QB prospects to turn out as a 49er fan, but looking at it, it doesn’t honestly seem that Carr has the ability. I’m not saying he DIDN’T just that he DOES NOT NOW. Prove me wrong, make me a convert, I’d like to feel good about this but I don’t.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 18, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I already did explain it up there.
Singletary and Co ran a straight-up amateur team from top-to-bottom. Players have spoken about about terrible practices, no gameplanning, no studying, then there’s the nutcracker, etc. Carr was well-regarded before coming here.
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Agreed Sing ran an amateur team.
But last I checked both Carr and Troy were on those teams, were they not? And Carr was well regarded as a backup in NYG otherwise where was he regarded as an “asset”? If Troy had not gotten ill then he would have most probably started during Flacco’s rookie year. Flacco did well, quite well, and Troy was a commodity. Sing is gone, Carr is still here and Troy is an option. What have the players said about either of those. Let’s stop talking about the coach that both were under during their 49er tenure during the same time period nd what they eithter learned during their tenure here or during their tenure elsewhere.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 18, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I missed where Troy Smith was impressive last year? Carr would have done about the same with about the same amount of playing time, in my somewhat educated opinion.
I don’t know, people will feel a certain way and run with it. David Carr sucks, check, he obviously couldn’t compete for a ninth string job in the UFL. I mean, that’s the extremes people operate on. But let’s sign Troy Smith to a contract he doesn’t deserve so he can not run the offense well.
Maybe the argument that Carr is capable isn’t the right one, but nor is the argument that T. Smith is capable.
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I would argue that the 1st Rams game last year was the best game any Niner QB has had since Jeff Garcia.
What exactly did Carr do with all his preparation? I thin k that is the question being posed. If you are looking at performances Smith out-played Carr big time.
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So the prepartion made him appear lifeless? Im not buying that.
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Hes appeared lifeless sinced he was blamwd for the Texans issues. QB reaction after a turnover says a lot. I hardly seen him on the sideline in a wrs face yelling or jiat talking in a civil manner.
He trots off the field and to the bench, it happened in NY. Those two thirds of a game just verified what I already thought, he isn’t worth a roster spot. Despite the coaching staff, he’s damaged goods.
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
David Carr and composure in the same sentence…wow…
If my offense called for deer in the headlights looks and fetal position curls, then I’d think about David Carr.
by mrg80 on Jul 18, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Troy Smith is the picture of stability and composure, and obviously fits a West Coast Offense perfectly.
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither is a west coast offense type of player
But couldn’t the same be said about Steve Young and about Garcia? Couldn’t the same be said about Colin?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 18, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummm I'm missing something..or a few things
I think you’re presenting an interesting viewpoint but what are we seeing as far as facts to support that? Everyone is bringing up the Giants run for him where he had 3 touchdowns and no interceptions. Baseline is that Troy Smith’s TD to Int ratio is 8/5 and David Carr’s is 65/71 (as an aside Alex is 51/53 and Kaep’s is of course 0/0. An interesting aside Josh Johnson’s TD to Int ratio is 4/8 and Kyle Oron’s is 71/48, Brady’s is 261/103 and Manning’s is 399/198.) Do we have any stats to purport your point? I’m not saying it’s wrong or misguided, I’d just like to have more supporting data to support it. And interestingly, if you look at Andre Johnson’s stats they go (4,6, 2, 5,[Carr leaves] 8, 8, 9, 8)
So if you could, could you show me where the statistical facts are showing that Carr has more accuracy on the short to intermediate throws? I’m not getting something, clue me in my friend.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 18, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Supplemental draft?
Article here about Terrelle Pryor. I was half-expecting it to mention the 49ers but it didn’t. Any likelihood? I think Baalke said the Niners wouldn’t take part in the supplemental draft?
In discussing Troy Smith, why would we not consider one former Ohio State quarterback over a lessor rated Ohio State quarterback?
Also, why would we waste a draft pick on Pryor over getting an undrafted free agent like Jeff Van Camp or Adam Froman?
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I think we should bring him back
He has one of the most important skills for a QB.
The balls to throw it deep, get picked off, and still be willing to make that throw next drive.
Now I’m not saying those are smart throws, some of the ones Troy made were very poor decisions. But at some point you have to trust your playmakers to go up and get the ball.
That’s one thing we haven’t seen in Red and Gold for a very long time.
If his accuracy and decision making could improve he’d be a good number 2 — I don’t know why we wouldn’t keep him instead of Carr as a #3 and see if we could coach him up.
It’s not like he’ll be expensive to keep, and it’s not like he’s had a coach that knew how to develop QBs worth a damn.
by Ougadas on Jul 18, 2011 5:49 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
He doesnt care about winning, he played so heartless and emotionless vs Carolina.
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I'm no Carr fan
But ’doesn’t care about winning’ is a pretty cruel indictment.
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Voted maybe, but mostly no
I’d rather have Troy over Carr, but that’s not saying much. If JH thinks he could do something with Troy than bring him back, however I’d much rather see another UFA.
Tolzien
J Johnson (if the it’s not more than a 4th round pick)
Froman
Any other inexpensive NFL backup with upside
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Carr gets the nod for second string QB
This is for the guy who takes over if A. Smith gets injured. Carr had his best season when coached by (sorry don’t remember which, but he’s a current niner coach). CK will NOT play this year (all bets are off if Carr goes down too). There’s no way QB will be staffed by A. Smith and two rookies. T. Smith wouldn’t be much of an improvement over a first year player.
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I disagree.
I think Kaepernick will be at worst second string all year, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he saw some starting time at some point this season. I think the only way Kaepernick doesn’t play this season is if Smith has a great year and avoids injury. Even then he could get some snaps if we’re up big, or have locked up a playoff spot.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
I think Kaepernick will be at worst second string all year
So would you be comfortable with him playing in week 1 or week 2 if Alex got injured then? Being second string pretty much means you’re willing to put him in the game.
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by these3words on Jul 18, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. I would...
If you look at his body of work in college, it’s hard to imagine that he would do worse than anything we saw last year. In the WCO I think he could be decent right away. We will see in preseason here real shortly.
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Starting Kaepernick in week one or two is forfeiting a spot at the playoffs, in my mind.
He’s just nowhere near ready.
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can you say that with confidence and not have seen him take one snap in the preseason, with the first team, etc?
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I don’t think it’s closed-minded, I think it’s realistic. This thing called the NFL isn’t exactly new, college guys as raw as he is generally are not good. I don’t see him being ready, and I loved the selection. I think he’s our future (omg he said it) and all, but in week one or two? I think that’s donesies for us.
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think he could start somewhere in the middle of the season?
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Because I feel like the team will be putting resources into him being “the future”. yes. Most second or third string quarterbacks wouldn’t necessarily get much focus-time with coaches during the season, but I feel like he’ll get his hand held a lot on the bench to drill everything.
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think if the Oline is solid and consistent, he has so many weapons around him and that he is enough of a weapon himself that he could do good right off the bat, but I guess that’s just my personal view.
And I may have a slight bias considering I followed him relatively close for the last 4 years.
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It’s mostly a weeks 1-4 doomsday scenario. I feel like it’s going to be “boom, lockout is over, sign alex smith, work with alex smith, teach alex smith, practice with alex smith, get alex smith ready”
and if he goes down at that point, it’s a scary proposition.
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Well there are three coaches between Harbaugh, Chryst, and Roman that are all capable of giving both Smith and Kaepernick a TON of attention. I don’t think that all eggs will be in the Alex Smith basket moving forward. I don’t think they want to shoot themselves in the foot right out the gate.
I believe Alex will be the starter. But I also believe in the possibility of Kaep totally dominating in the preseason forcing decision to be made.
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As a big fan of Kaepernick, I don’t see that happening. I could see him doing very well in the preseason, but that’s … you know, preseason. I don’t think he’d make it into an actual, factual decision.
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The why would Harbaugh even announce a “competition, best-man wins the job” type of deal if everyone knows that Smith will start for sure?
I think he has a shot… it may be a shot in the dark but it’s still a shot.
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Because I don’t think preseason determines who the best man is.
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Yes, because things are never equal in the preseason. So it’s not 50/50
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Seemed pretty even between Shaun Hill and Smith
a couple of seasons ago in the preseason. There was no clear-cut winner and they had about the same amount of reps.
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But how many reps were against starters, backups and guys that are eventually getting cut? I wouldn’t make any assumptions off of how anybody does in preseason. All you really hope for is that they are understanding the plays and making the right reads and hope nobody gets injured.
That’s what I said.
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Little bit different situation...
but nice try on the strawman.
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How is Nate Davis comparision a straw man , dang bro where do you reside in some hamistagan realm of past football players ...!!
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Nate Davis = 3rd string/ PS QB
Kaepernick = 2nd/ possible 1st string QB
If you cannot see the strawman in that, I don’t know what to tell you.
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Your too funny , because you said it , it must be true ...!!
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Well I think the differences are
1. Draft position
2. College production
3. intelligence
4. work ethic
5. coaching
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Well , which do you want to fly with it , Tom Brady way , those are the extremes with hundreds in between ...!!
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What do you mean?
Why are you bringing in Tom Brady I was comparing Kaepernick and Nate Davis.
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I have no clue , my post was cut in half and don't remember the context of my thougjht process ...!!
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What makes him raw? The small school with the gimmick offense?
So had he gone to OSU and pit up those numbers, he’d be a first round talent ready to start day 1? My point is, most bad talk about him is the offense he played in, and his delivery. He’s accurate has a rocket ARM and can throw with touch on the run or from the pocket.
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You are honestly asking how Colin Kaepernick is raw?
Yeah. I’m not even getting into this lol
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What college QB isnt? The same learning curve exists when talking the leap from college to the pros, for every player.
He’s as ready as Matt Stafford was, IMO, and better than J Mac Russell….j/k. Anyway, Kaepernick to me, has that edge like Garcia, he will get things done I also think he’s a better prospect than a few starting QBs that played as rookies.
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by rlott#42 on Jul 19, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“What makes him raw?”
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by James Brady on Jul 19, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think he could handle it.
I’d start him week one if he beat out Alex, or else play him if Alex was injured. I’m not worried about him, I think he has the talent and the work ethic to succeed, and with Gore, Davis, and Crabtree, he ought to have plenty of weapons to help him out.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
He hasn't had time with the playbook though
Not much. Or with the players. Not the starters, anyway. Even if he had a regular off-season with minicamps and everything, he still might not have been ready.
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Even so, I think he'll be fine if he needs to play.
I’m not concerned about entering the season with him as the second string QB.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
He has the playbook and had it for the past couple of months
If you followed him and other players on twitter they have been practicing with each other even after camp alex has finished. Also during Camp Alex they all took turns throwing to everyone because they didn’t want to say who was going to start and who is 2nd string and third string. So there is no need to worry about Kaep not knowing the playbook or enough playing time with the starters.
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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Didn't know that. I don't follow Twitter
Good to know.
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ya Miller has been practicing with him
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There's no way, on any plane of existence, that I'd pour money into Troy Smith.
Even if Carr isn’t the guy, there are infinitely better options for this offense.
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IDK
I would take him as a 3rd stringer. If he can put up 356 yards in the air against a evloving Rams defense, then I’d say it’s not the worst option in the world to have all the way back at 3.
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If he’s really cheap, es possible … I mean, I did love that we brought him in before, but I don’t know well he’ll fit.
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s probably not a reality in all honesty. He could have better offers to be a number two elsewhere. I think he did good enough to deserve consideration from other teams with that.
Panthers
Bengals
Bills
just to name a few right off the top…
May even throw in the Eagles if they deal Kolb.
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I think Philly is actually more likely than the other three!
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by James Brady on Jul 18, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it could be tough for them to trade Kolb off.
They are going to be asking for a lot.
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I feel like it’s gonna happen. There’s two teams in this division alone that could want him. The Cardinals have to feel like they just got insane value with their first round pick, Peterson, it almost makes it easier to give one up for Kolb.
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They would have to feel very strongly about a playoff run with him at the helm.
Because if they don’t, they will be stuck with mediocrity. I am not sure how smart or dumb the Bidwell’s are but if history tells us anything, I would lean more toward the latter of the statement.
Derek Anderson was supposed to be their savior because of one Pro Bowl appearance and look what happened there. If they do the same thing with Kolb (based on small sample size) they could lose a lot of fanbase, and most importantly their shot at Luck, Landry, or Barkely next year.
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I was skeptical of the price tag, but we only need to look at the draft to derive their stance on the matter, you know? The Cardinals want someone sooner rather than later while Seattle seems to think they might be able to get by with what they have until next year’s draft.
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Also, I’m going to expect a second and a third, the price won’t be nearly as high as we heard a couple months ago. If there’s a first, it’ll be 2013, not 2012.
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But do you think it will be worth it to the Eagles?
I mean after Kolb’s gone, all that is left is Mike Kafka
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I don't think it's worth it for them, and that's saying a lot, as I think Kevin Kolb, how you say, blows.
But they are probably fine with it. Win now and all of that, with a good QB class in 2012 and maybe 2013.
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I just wonder what the Cardinals evaluation is of their current roster because I think that will heavily influence the decision.
I almost think McNabb or Young make more sense for them.
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I agree with not putting a cent on Smith, but I wouldnt waste another on Carr.
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I don't know what your definition of "pour money into" is
but I highly doubt Troy Smith would cost much. In fact, if we can’t get JJ or Troy Smith, I tend to think we are going to be spending too much on our 3rd QB. Carr’s price tag is far too large. Bulger, Hasselback, Palmer, Kolb, Orton, and McNabb will all costs millions in cap space.
Not only do JJ and Troy Smith have an upside, they both are cost-effective.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 19, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Why?
Can you please bring some facts to support that fact? I’m not disagreeing with you, just wondering why there is this belief that he can fit into a Harbaugh scheme that is quite different from what was played in SD.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 18, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He can't... it's the same ol' stuff...
It’s like, “Ooo, he played for Harbaugh back in 1990… or he went to college at Stanford so bring him in…”
It doesn’t make any logical sense.
They just see the relation between something and some solar light bulb goes off… the only problem is that eventually it gets cloudy and the solar light bulb will dim as reality sets in and washes away the fantasy.
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providing your counter-argument
Not everybody follows football as closely as others or can articulate their thought process on a given point. I would argue that you could put down a couple basic points about why JJ is not the answer in an attempt to inform this person of why you think you’re right and he’s wrong. It is a better way to facilitate discussion on this issue.
by David Fucillo on Jul 18, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A couple of...differences
I’m not saying that the poster is wrong, in fact I’d love to see the fact that he is the PERFECT QB for our coming up offfense. But I just don’t see it (caveated response, I don’t see Alex nor Kaep nor Carr nor Troy nor any of those as perfect, but there are possibilities at least for 3 out of the 4) JJ is good, but Troy has more experience throwing to Crabs and Morgan and Ginn, etc. and in actual recent game day circumstances. Josh is from Harb’s time SD and that has some benefit, but in my mind only minimal, his ways of running the offense have probably changed immensely, and he’s purporting even more changes. Josh is with another team and not a free agent. Troy is not with a team right now. Carr is…well Carr. So you have A) Carr B) Troy C) JJ
Witth Carr we’d be pretty much screwed (I thiink) his one great time was when he threw 2 TD for 0 INTs. So he’s out. Then you have Josh who would cost a sixth rounder (examples Anthony Dixon, Nate Byham, Kyle Williams, Josh Morgan, Delanie Walker, Andy Lee) or Troy Smith who is going to cost only his contract.
I’m not saying that these are the only choices but of the choices given, in my mind, Troy wins out.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 18, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
could put down a couple basic points about why JJ is not the answer in an attempt to inform this person of why you think you’re right and he’s wrong
I get what you’re saying and it adds value to the board for some people; others not so much. Hence all of the Nate Davis people we had over the last 2 years. Did not matter what you said to some of them, they were fully convinced he was the savior.
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I'm just sayin'
even if Troy was #3, it still could wind up being a good business decision to help his development…. working with Harbaugh.
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I'm not ready to pin the title of QBotF on anyone yet
So If there is a young guy, who has shown flashes of talent, and could develope, why would you NOT want him? We have A. Smith, a Third rounder who was reached for in the second, and David Freakin Carr. Ditch Carr, pick up someone with a couple of years under their belt, and lets see if one of these 3 actially pan out for us.
Troy Smith fits the description, so Yes, Smith over Carr.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
i'm far more into a free agent
but it’s really only because then i can HOPE that our faceless, nameless hero won’t suck.
troy didn’t do badly last season, but he’s not a harbaugh profile qb. can’t picture him getting his timing or accuracy where it needs to be.
david carr totally sucks and is a waste of space. an EXPENSIVE waste of space.
soooo, faceless 3rd string hero, where ever you may be, i would like to sign you!
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