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49ers, Raiders Discussing Possible Joint Stadium

In a development that shouldn't really surprise anybody, Jed York confirmed that the San Francisco 49ers have been meeting with the Oakland Raiders to discuss options for sharing a new football stadium. These are really just preliminary discussions for now, but it's an important bit of due diligence for each side. There has been inferences of such a possible deal down the road and Roger Goodell has made it clear that a joint stadium would have a better chance of funding.

Both teams seem open to a partnership and the financial windfall of such a deal could be tremendous. The 49ers have reportedly sold upwards of $140 million in luxury suites for the new stadium. They're working on starting season ticket sales. They're working on naming rights and other revenue streams. If you add in the Raiders, you may not be able to double the various ticket prices, but you'd be guaranteeing yourself a whole lot more revenue with a second franchise helping to foot the bill.

One issue with a new stadium would be where to place it. The 49ers have invested a lot of time, effort, and money into a possible Santa Clara stadium, but would the Raiders be willing to ride in on the 49ers coattails to get a stadium done? Or would Al Davis want to consider alternate locations, which could slow this process even further?

I'm not against a shared stadium as long as it wouldn't slow up the process. I know some folks are against doing deals with the Raiders, but it's not like they'd be in the stadium at the same time, except for the exhibition game and playing each other every fourth year in the regular season.

It makes too much financial sense not to do it. Considering the economic state of California there's not much in the way of public money to help finance the stadium. Naming rights deals remain depressed outside of the new LA stadium. Adding a second team and double the football dates is an ideal way to convince somebody, possibly in Silicon Valley, to invest in naming a new joint stadium. Throw in the combined luxury suite and ticket sales money and when you're talking about a billion dollar stadium, suddenly the costs aren't quite so bad.

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Certainly from a financial standpoint a joint stadium makes absolute sense … much easier to raise the necessary funds. I am not one of those who would oppose a joint project solely on the basis that it would involve doing business with Al Davis and/or his heirs. But, it would seem to me that location would be the key battleground. A mid-point location like Fremont would made sense logically, but is not really convenient for anyone … virtually all fans would have to travel some distance to get “there” and, there really is no there, there. No after-game ammenities for anyone … just a two-way commute. While neither Candlestick nor the Coliseum offer destination surroundings like sports facilities in other cities, at least there are some bars and restaurants within a reasonable distance, re-parking difficulties aside. Santa Clara would seem to at least offer the possibility of a destination location. Very doubtful, however, that Al Davis would ever agree to that. On the other hand, a near-Oakland location would make little sense for the Niners, given the location of their fanbase. So, Fremont?? God, I sure as hell would not favor that one.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Jul 20, 2011 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Why not?

Really, is there any reason not to share a stadium?

by t p on Jul 20, 2011 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

no thanks oakland

Why not? Because it is pointless when Al Davis will just sue you a couple years down the road for whatever reason his dementia allows for.

by hendeeze on Jul 20, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Al Davis may not be alive...

…a couple of years down the road. I hate to be morbid, but that has to figure into the calculus.

by Bigmouth on Jul 21, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joint venture means cutting that PSL bill in half for fans. Not only is the ticket supply doubled to 120k but the NFL doubles their loan amount and the stadium rights deal becomes more lucrative.

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by bignerd on Jul 20, 2011 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Yup

the joint Giants/Jets stadium got $300 million in funding from the league compared to the normal $150 million. The stadium itself didn’t cost twice as much as a single stadium, making for a great financial deal for the two teams.

by smileyman on Jul 20, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've no problem with this whatsoever...

…and have seen it work just fine in NY/NJ.

by Bigmouth on Jul 20, 2011 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

that stadium is a lot bigger

If we do share a stadium it should be redesigned.

I don’t mind it too much because when it comes down to it it’s our project and I would always consider the Raiders the 2nd occupants.

However, I simply don’t understand why financing is such an issue. With the NFL set to make more and more and more and more money every year I don’t see why 2 1 billion dollar stadiums wouldn’t be better than these 2 billion dollar monstrosities in New York and Dallas.

Besides the Raiders should be moving back to LA anyways.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jul 20, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good points...

…I was unaware of the size difference relative to the Meadowlands.

by Bigmouth on Jul 20, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Jets/Giants stadium

cost $1.6 billion. $300 million of that financed by the league, meaning that only $1 billion came from the two teams or $500 million per team.

Far better deal than the projected $1billion that it would cost the 49ers for their new stadium.

by smileyman on Jul 20, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

wouldn't that be 6,500,000 per team?

The Niner’s are getting 100+ mill, 500+ for naming rights, and would only contribute about 350-400 themselves as it stands now

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jul 21, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

*650,000,000

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jul 21, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't work very well

The two clubs get into a lot of arguments.

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Jul 20, 2011 11:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

When you can cut your bill down from $1 billion to $500 million for a stadium loan the financial cost of arguing are rather moot.

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by bignerd on Jul 20, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Arguments?

It’s New York! Seriously, though, I used to live in NYC, and it never seemed to be a big issue.

by Bigmouth on Jul 20, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don't like the Raiders

I don’t let the guy who was playing in mud to touch my new brownie

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Jul 20, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

they play in NJ

unfortunately both teams have NY in front of their names. And yes it works just fine..

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 20, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait how would this work in terms of game times?

Wouldn’t this double traffic, there’d be overlap between games, etc? Would you just play one game right after the other?

by Rhombus on Jul 20, 2011 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

These teams never play at home on the same day. Only time they both play home games in the same weekend is if one team is playing on Thursday or Monday night.

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by bignerd on Jul 20, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

scheduling games

Along the lines of what bignerd said, the league already tries to keep one team one the road and one team at home when possible. Doesn’t always happen, but it’s something the league has worked on.

by David Fucillo on Jul 20, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that makes a lot more sense.

And I think it’s a great idea, I’d really like the Niners to be closer to SF.

by Rhombus on Jul 20, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a smart move to me ...!!

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by Edggy on Jul 20, 2011 6:42 PM PDT reply actions  

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