NFL Lockout Open Thread: Is D-Day At Hand?
The NFL Lockout situation continues to move along with an end sort of in sight but leaving some room for doubt. For those of us expecting Lucy to continually remove the football as we're about to kick, things are just dicey enough to keep us locked in to Twitter and the NFL Network.
Many people (including myself) were hoping the players would vote on a proposed global settlement agreement before the close of business yesterday, but that did not happen. Instead, the player representatives submitted a bit of a conditional vote in which they accepted a deal pending resolution of some outstanding issues they have been trying to resolve. With the owners meeting today in Atlanta hoping to vote on a new deal, that puts everybody in a bit of a bind. The owners could vote to approve a deal but if the players are still making even modest changes that would leave the owners simply going through the motions.
And what are some of the issues in play? Well, the twitterazzi have pointed to the $320 million in lost 2010 benefits, some workers compensation issues I discussed at sbnation.com/nfl, one-time franchise tag discussions, and the general settlement of the various accompanying lawsuits that make up the global settlement. Depending on who you ask on Twitter you'll get a different answer about what exactly is the primary issue.
In your ultimate glass of cold water, Chester Pitts, who was in the DC meeting, actually told Tony Bruno it would take two full weeks to get the situation resolved. At this point, some speculate the players are dragging their feet for final concessions. None of us here can really say for sure that is the case since we're not in the meetings. All we know about the issues is what the media tells us, which makes it second hand at best, and possible further depending on their sources.
The ball would appear to be in the players' court at this point and they hold some semblance of power at this point. Maybe they're holding out for important concessions or maybe they're just being greedy. I don't know at this point so that will leave me glued to Twitter and the NFL Network.
If anything of real significance goes down today we'll get updates to you, but in the meantime this will be an open thread for labor discussions. Over at the dot com you can also follow the lockout story stream.
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Honestly, at this point I've stopped caring
The deal will get done eventually, probably in time for the season. The less TC we miss, the better, but this whole ordeal has really drained me, especially the last 2 weeks or so of “it’s finally done / oh wait!” banter
Damn kids keep getting sent to the principals office!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Site decorum should be off, however, that’s my opinion, so I will ask the poster, site decorum? On or “OFF”
"I dropped Vince Young on his head and was fined 5 grand I barely touched Drew Brees and got fined 20,000" - J Harrison
amen to that.
I get the feeling we will all want to cuss at the end of today.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
it's off for now
Changes pending further developments today.
by David Fucillo on Jul 21, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry...
I meant to say it’s on for now pending further developments. Slip of the tongue.
by David Fucillo on Jul 21, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Optimism
I can’t see the players holding up a deal if it is voted on by the owners. Well, time will tell
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 21, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions
mistake
I meant to say it was on for now.
by David Fucillo on Jul 21, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
D. Smith
to give press conference in less than five minutes
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 21, 2011 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
press conference
Basically just said it’s serious decision about joining union and is individual decision. The conference call tonight at 5pm pacific is the next big marker for the players.
by David Fucillo on Jul 21, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
what wonderful insight by D.Smith. Really? Of course, it is a serious decision. I had been a member of a union in my early 20s, and it isn’t something you take lightly.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 21, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright. Ive had enough. Kessler is the Devil!
http://www.deweyleboeuf.com/en/People/K/JeffreyLKessler
I LOVE GOOGLE!! You can find anything. Like Kesslers contact information. The address above has his phone number and email.
This guy is the reason for the dragging of feet. Insisting on doing thing the old fashion way rather than E-Signatures etc. This guys goal is to blow this up and follow through so he can add another big case to his list that you will see when you view his profile (link above)
Okay, Fooch, I am sad that site decorum is on, cuz !@#$%@$!^&!^%@R&@$(@#&^!!!!
Right now, the CBA is settled. The season can, and by all rights, should, start, as soon as today. The players association can certainly gain an extra $300+ million by holding out a bit longer, so it makes business sense to do so. However, it is a deplorable and blatantly disgusting move. They will risk the preseason (and possibly more) to pressure the owners to concede what amounts to less than 5% of one season’s revenue.
After weeks and weeks of talks, concessions, and frustration, this is the time to make an act of good faith, drop the lawsuit and move on with the football season. This dilly-dallying on the brink of the new season is absurd. Get it together, players.
I hope the owners just give in, because I want some football. But if DeMaurice is dishonorably fired and thrown into a dung heap, I will break out the champagne.
$300 million?
Are you talking about the $320 million in lost benefits? At this point it’s not even certain that’s what is holding this up.
by David Fucillo on Jul 21, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well its mostly the litigations that are holding this thing up, from what I've heard.
There’s the $320 million in lost benefits, and also a few other money issues. That’s why I said $300+ mil.
Also, this was my initial reaction to the reports coming out.
I’ve been watching some interviews, as well as some more analysis, and it seems like Smith and Co. are pretty well in control and do want this to go through. It’s just taking more time than I and many fans had hoped, and I’m pretty frustrated. But I am convinced the CBA will be voted on and passed by both parties, and if the Hall of Fame game gets dropped, it’s not the worst thing that could happen.
agreed
I think the way reports come out people get angry at one side, then another story comes out and they’ll get angry at someone else. The problem is that so much is second and third hand information that it’s hard to tell what’s true about what.
by David Fucillo on Jul 21, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Jones-Drew
who is one of the most intelligent players in the NFL is really talking level headed about the CBA issue on NFL Network right now.
He said there were some questions in regards to the CBA last night because it is a 600 page, 10 year contract, so there are certain to be some issue/questions in regards to it. He did say that the expectation that a ratification will take place soon and wouldn’t be surprised if their was a vote taken place during the conference call.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 21, 2011 12:37 PM PDT reply actions
Him and Pitts
Pitts said the same thing earlier today in regards to something happening during the conference call, although I think that’s more of a “well yes it’s possible” as opposed to any surprise if it didn’t happen.
by David Fucillo on Jul 21, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I am glad
that Pitts clarified his statement last night because many were caught completely off-guard by it. When he said “a couple weeks” it was more about everything being done including free agency starting etc.., and I think that is about right.
I have always like Jones-Drew because he is a stand up guy, doesn’t shy away from questions and understands where fans stand in terms of the issues. Seems down to earth to me
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 21, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
michaelombardi Michael Lombardi
I fully expect the players to vote on their call tonight.stay w/ NFLNet for details with @SportsLawGuy @richeisen yes I turned my ringer off
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 21, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions

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