49ers Training Camp Opens: All Amateur QBs Report To Santa Clara
After a long wait, football really is starting to get back into form as the 49ers reported for training camp in Santa Clara this morning. We're still waiting on word of what dates will be open to the public. As soon as that information is distributed we'll get it posted for folks that want to get down to training camp. I'm hoping to go down for a day next week and a day the following week to get a gander at the team.
Today's opening to training camp will be fairly non-descript in terms of activities as they handle physicals, some initial meetings with coaches, and of course media sessions. The undrafted rookies have been getting physicals the last two days as they signed deals but the veterans have not had their physicals yet. In terms of on-field activity, maybe there will be some conditioning and exercising, but not much else. Additionally, the first two workout days on Friday and Saturday will be non-padded workouts per the new CBA.
Over the course of the next few weeks, these are some of the tweeters to follow for minute-by-minute camp updates. We'll have plenty of news at NN as well, but these are all worth following:
Maiocco
Barrows
Lam
Branch
Brown
Bach
There really are three major story lines to follow early in camp:
1. Frank Gore's Holdout - In recent years Gore hasn't exactly played a whole ton during the preseason games, but he has still been prominently involved in training camp practices. I don't care about him missing preseason games. I do care about him missing the implementation of the offense in practice. Whether you think it's worth showering riches down upon him, he is an integral part of this offense. if they have any intention of competing in 2011, Gore is an important part of the team, particularly in a West Coast style of offense.
2. Nate Clements contract - Today is the first day teams can officially cut players from their roster. The 49ers went from having told Nate Clements he was gone to not having spoken with him in a matter of about 30 minutes. Today we will likely find out the truth of the matter. If they cut him loose entirely that could indicate an unspoken confidence in signing Nnamdi Asomugha or Johnathan Joseph. If they restructure his deal, it creates a bit of a fog as to the team's next move.
3. Will Jim Harbaugh throw some passes - With the news that the 49ers would be cutting David Carr and using Jeremiah Masoli in a running back and otherwise role, the 49ers find themselves in a somewhat amusing situation. With Carr out the door, the 49ers technically have one quarterback under contract. Masoli is now technically a running back, Alex Smith can't sign his deal until Friday and can't practice until August 4, and only Colin Kaepernick is in camp working out with the team.
It's kind of interesting to consider the QB situation moving forward. The team basically has two legit quarterbacks (Smith, Kaepernick) and what amounts to a gimmick player in Masoli. I recall the Indianapolis Colts going with two quarterbacks for certain stretches in past seasons, but I'm sorry to say Alex Smith (or Colin Kaepernick for that matter) is not Peyton Manning. I'll support Smith until I'm blue in the face but even I won't make that argument!
So what to make of the quarterback situation heading into camp where at this rate Colin Kaepernick gets a week worth of snaps? Or will we see a veteran brought in at least as a camp body?
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Even if they sign a veteran, he won't be able to practice until Aug. 4th, right?
That’s when Alex will be available too.
So it may happen but it won’t change anything. Kaep is going to get the snaps for a week. Which IMO is great.
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exactly
veteran free agents can only join camp on Aug 4, but if you signed an UDFA they could come in right away. and no I’m not suggesting that we sign an UDFA
Free Agents from when Free agency started
So not completely accurate, but gives you an idea
training camp
Didn’t properly word the last sentence. Based on the second to last paragraph, the question is based on after August 4. They still only have 2 QBs and Masoli.
by David Fucillo on Jul 28, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Johnson would be from another team
so he wouldn’t be able to practice until the same time as Alex, if I’m right.
He's staying put.
But, feel free to dream. No harm in that I suppose.
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Why?
He has no value to TB come 2012. Are they planning for Josh Freeman to get injured? Wouldn’t a draft pick for a player they hope to never play this year be worth more? They can pick up any scrub QB to sit on their bench.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 28, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
No value to TB
but you want him in SF?
Sorry but your point is a very hard one to see.
I, personally, seriously doubt the Niners will go anywhere near Josh Johnson.
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He's a QB with an upside and very little salary cap penalty this year
The downside is tiny. I am also not a believer in Alex Smith after 7 years. Harbaugh will want to hedge his bet if he is smart, and it probably shouldn’t be for a Bulger/Orton type who will cost millions.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 28, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I just hate the whole...
Ooo he was connected to Harbaugh, let’s bring him in. He is not even a free agent and the only reason he is being talked about at all is because of his connection to Harbaugh at SD.
If Harbaugh wasn’t the coach, Josh Johnson would not even be a thought… or in the realm of possibility.
In my opinion, I don’t think he is close to being on the Niners radar just because Harbaugh is the coach.
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Truth be told (it is in my history if you wanted to look)
I was advocating in bring Josh Johnson since before Harbaugh and it was just happenstance when I learned they were together in SD. Cheap QBs with an upside have been an interest to this 49er fan who has long accepted we don’t have a QBOTF, haven’t been in a position to really draft one (fingers crossed on Kaepernick), and have no ability to woo a top free agent.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 28, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Personally
I would rather have Dixon from the Steelers if we were going to go that route.
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What route are we going
No 3rd qb? Alex Smith and 3-6 record and then force Kaepernick in early?
I just can’t drink the koolaid that Harbaugh will make Alex Smith serviceable in one or two months.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 28, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
its a rebuilding year
your options are limited. Take the lump and watch us make the championship game in three years without desperation contracts hanging on us
I haven't advocated for any desperation contracts
as far as I am aware. If anything, the Alex Smith signing is a desperation contract but at least it is a one year deal.
Bringing in low cost, high upside options is the opposite of desperation, it is a simple hedging strategy.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 28, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait until for when you have to change your name to "asmithisamazing"
Aldon Smith
Alex may remain with SF as a backup. I drink Kaepernick koolaid religiously
Ouch
that is like a bad tattoo… If Alex leaves, and Aldon winds up being one of the best LB’s in the league… I’d consider deleting that account and starting from scratch
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not necessarily
He would be acquired via trade not free agency.
by David Fucillo on Jul 28, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if in a trade cause that's the only way we can get him
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"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
if you don't plan you will never get what you want
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
still hoping for a Josh Johnson sighting as long as the cost is minimal
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by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm probably in the minority here...
But I feel like Frank Gore’s holdout is a good move on his part. He’s going into his final year, and he’s getting up there in halfback age. The next deal he signs is probably going to be his last big payday, and it’s in his best interest that it comes sooner rather than later.
The 49ers are in an odd position, because they CAN compete in a weak NFC west division, but they will absolutely need to have him on the roster to do that. At the same time, the team is obviously looking to re-build, so it may be in their best interest to get something for him now, and use whatever they get to help in the retooling effort.
From Frank’s perspective, he either gets the peace of mind of knowing that he’ll be a part of the new team we’re building (along with a financially secure future), or he draws interest from a competing team who feels like he can put them over the edge (while also likely getting a multi-year deal in the process).
Regardless of how things play out, I think it’s the best thing for him.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
Apparently Gore took a team-friendly contract in 2006
after his record breaking season.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the 49ers return the favor
by brundylop on Jul 28, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's say Gore has a reasonable 1300 all purpose yards this year
And Kendall Hunter and Anthony Dixon are both average less than 4 ypc. Wouldn’t it be a better deal to just have signed Gore today for a modest extension?
Basically if management doesn’t extend Gore, they are saying Gore’s replacement is on the roster or they will have to use a 1st or 2nd round pick next year on an RB. I want Hunter be the man, but I wouldn’t bet the season on it. If he can put up 500 yards this year with more than 4.0 ypc then not extending Gore makes sense. That’s a big bet.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 28, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Too many if's and conditionals and hypotheticals there
And I disagree that KH/AD doing mediocre means a 1st/2nd rounder on a RB. Doesn’t seem like most teams are willing to invest in RB’s that high
I agree, too many if and conditionals not to stick with your top5 rb
Also, I agree no one want to reach for an RB with a 1st or 2nd round pick. It smacks of desperation but we’ve spent up to 3rd round picks on RBs and struck out. Dixon would have to be a very different runner to make the argument for himself this year and Hunter is, at the NFL level, a complete unknown.
Extend Gore, hope Hunter is the man, and if not, spend another 3/4/5 round pick on an RB next year (or try to find a low mileage, high upside RB like a Michael Bush/Tashard Choice/Mike Goodson in free agency.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 28, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd think of giving Gore
2 years with a club option for a 3rd for about 5 md a year
Clayton doesn't know what bad news mean
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
That means they are paying those guys $20.9 million of guaranteed money to not play for the Cowboys.
I know
its funny
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Can’t buy championships. This really sucks. The glory is having the Niners and Cowboys good at the same time so they can do battle. Now we will be too good for them
I'm ok with the niners sucking and us being good
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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
I meant cowboys sucking and us being good
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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Thats rough for them.
They could have signed Nnamdi with money left over for that much.
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Per Matt Barrows
“Quarterback help: The 49ers signed McLeod Bethel-Thompson from Sac State. He’ll be able to take field w/ Kaepernick tomorrow.”
LMAO
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 28, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think "help" was the wrong word there.
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So they have one QB and 30 UDFA WRs
horrible
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Can you, like... just stop.
The negativity is getting old really, really fast.
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by Drew Kerr on Jul 28, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
???
Chase Beeler, C, Stanford
Donovan Edwards, OL, Cal
Ian Williams, NT, Notre Dame
Dontavia Bogan, WR, South Florida
Joe Hastings, WR, Washburn
Tyler Beiler, WR, Bridgewater College
DeMarcus Dobbs, DE, Georgia
Konrad Reuland, TE, Stanford
Derek Hall, OT, Stanford
Chris Hogan, WR, Monmouth
Sealver Siliga, DT/NT, Utah
Kenny Wiggins, OT, Fresno State
Monte Simmons, OLB, Kent State
Kenny Rowe, OLB, Oregon
Brian Bulcke, DT, Stanford
Others . . .
Seems like a pretty damn solid UDFA haul to me.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
aye, if only his name was Connor MacLeod
He could use his broadsword to keep from getting sacked ;-)
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On the other hand.. I think McLeod Bethel-Thompson is a good name for a QB!
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Still not sure what exactly the story is with Clements...
But I, for one, would be highly opposed to cutting him loose. Not only is he still our best corner, but the ONLY reason to get rid of him would be to save cap money – which we really don’t even need. In all likelihood, we’re not going to get Namdi, and it seems we aren’t going to make any other big splashes in free agency, so there’s really nothing to be gained by releasing him.
Let him play out the final year of his deal. If he performs well (which I expect he would in an offense that does more blitzing and less dropping back into wait-and-see, play-it-safe coverages), then bring him back next year at a reasonable rate. If you can re-negotiate to give him more years but less money, that would be equally beneficial. Otherwise, if he has a poor season, then you can let him walk and know that the only thing you lost out on was cap space that wouldn’t have gotten used anyway.
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Team is rebuilding
Whether they knew it or not two days ago. At least they signed the Sac State QB. Show up at the Great America parking lot tomorrow displaying a strong arm they might ink you too.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
MIght be worth a shot.
Though I was always more of a Chad Pennington type of QB.
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August 4
Everybody is saying Alex can’t practice until August 4. That is not necessarily true. It is my understanding he can’t practice until the CBA is approved by all players. And August 4 is the outside date for approval. If it is approved before he can practice then.
This is a good chance for Kaepernick to get a head start on Alex.
Give him some catchup time to have a legit chance to start day one.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jul 28, 2011 3:25 PM PDT reply actions

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