NFL Free Agents 2011: 49ers Interested In Johnathan Joseph, Chris Carr?
by David Fucillo on Jul 28, 2011 10:45 AM PDT
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PrintIn light of Michael Lombardi indicating the Texans have the lead in the Nnamdi Asomugha sweepstakes and Jason LaCanfora tweeting that the he'd be surprised if the 49ers ended up with Nnamdi, we have a couple of nuggets to pass along. One is courtesy of the Detroit Free Press and one is courtesy of Matt Barrows.
The Detroit Free Press had an article today about wide receiver Rashied Davis signing with the Detroit Lions. At the bottom of the article they had this little gem:
[Detroit] still need[s] help at linebacker and cornerback, however, and are among the potential suitors for free-agent cornerback Jonathan Joseph. Joseph played for the Cincinnati Bengals last year, and reportedly has drawn interest from the Bengals, Houston Texans and San Francisco 49ers.
There is no indication of sources so it's hard to tell how interested the 49ers actually are, other than to say they're interested. In somewhat related news, Barrows tweeted that the 49ers were a player for Chris Carr along with the Ravens and Jaguars. Of course, as someone tweeted back, it might just be easier to post "Niners in on all legitimate FA cornerbacks."
At this point, I would say it's hard to tell if the Nnamdi domino has to fall before anything else can happen. After all, Ike Taylor agreed to a contract, so maybe guys like Joseph and Carr work out deals early. Of course, once Nnamdi signs there will be a scramble by the losing teams to grab the next best option. That could buy the 49ers time to figure out where they stand with Nnamdi before they really make a strong push for a guy like Joseph.
How do the dominos fall?
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Agree, a downer yes,
but we just have so many needs, and we all know how well paying clements all that money worked out.
I don't hate clements as much most do
I think he was a pretty good corner, just not as good as his money would have demanded.
If the 49ers paid him a little less, I think most of us would have been satisfied with his play. (Of course, if they paid him less, Nate would have signed elsewhere)
Same.
Nate was a great player for us but he wasn’t playing up to his contract
by HappyHourSomewhere on Jul 28, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
this
Id love to get Nnamdi, but we got holes that need to be filled/upgraded.
FS,C,OLB,DT, and a #1 CB
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by EcERyda69 on Jul 28, 2011 10:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
of the posistions mentioned the niners really only have a need at cb. niners have people who can play all those other posistions mentioned.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea we got guys who can play it, but Im talking about the FA guys that we could lose
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by EcERyda69 on Jul 28, 2011 11:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
baas was the only real loss, goldson sucks and there is depth behind him, dt is probably set with soaps, RJF and Ian; there are four OLB on the roster. Niners just cut clements so the secondary is wide open with holes.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
what depth is behind Goldson
logically thinking….if Goldson sucks, then what does that say about the players that couldnt take his spot???
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 28, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If we can get Kreutz, (Nnamadi, Joseph or Carr) and a great FA WR
It would be Golden (and red!) Possibly Reggie Bush in case Gore is a no go too! And let Harbaugh turn ’em loose on the NFC West. Wish we would have gotten Sidney Rice though.
by wellnesscoach on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
1. Nnamdi
2. Joseph
3. Richard Marshall
4. Carr
my order of preference
by 49erEmpire on Jul 28, 2011 10:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
richard marshall is just like spencer
and carr is also very inconsisant.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
if we dont win the Scrabble Sweepstakes
can we afford JJ, Carr or Carlos Rogers, AND Goldson?
We'd probably get whomever isn't Nnmandi for $4-5 million less per year
so depending on other team moves there’s no reason we shouldn’t be able to sign another top CB and resign Goldson (unless he’s asking completely ridiculous money)
niners will be better without goldson, niners should just push up goldson's value so other teams eat up big cap space.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Barrows retweet says it all
I think that’s right. They need a starting CB. End of story. @kmenger: You can just post “Niners in on all legitimate FA cbs” and be correct
I wish he would quit beating around the bush and say what he means ;-)
I have a feeling that they will come out of this with a good CB to replace Clements.. I also think they would like to work the other CBs on the team into starter material. They have the coaches to do that..
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I could easily see the niners signing both Jonathan Joseph and Nnamdi Asomugha
The problem with one good cornerback is the team will throw to your weakest cb, spencer’s weaknesses will be even more exposed. The affect of having a great cb will be only as effective as spencer is good. So if two top notch cb’s are brought in it will be greatness. for further cuts tarrell brown and spencer can be cut to save almost 5million in cap and let the two rookies or the two vets compete on the depth chart.
spencer, brown and clements equaled $21,900,000.00 in cap space for 2011, with all three gone the niners could save all but about 2,500,000 of that cap space.
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I find it very interesting that Clements is the only cut so far
I have to think that the front office is waiting to see what falls out with the hunt for a top CB so they can figure out who they need to cut to make it happen.
carr is gone. norris should be next. I am thinking the niners might go with only two qb’s this year. I bet they have a committment from either Nnamdi or JJ that if they are the highest bidder they will sign. spencer is the one that really worries me though.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I was looking at the roster last night
we have a huge amount of CBs on the roster, so I think we’ll be ok with finding someone to replace Spencer if needed and for the nickel spot
baalke has brought a crap load of cb’s onto the team in only two short years were the doucher before did nothing. last two years philip adams, tremaine brock, chris culliver and holcomb. one of those four should make a good nickle back. the issue is if they can and when they will do it. problem with spencer is been he is hot then cold, players need to be consistant for the team to be good.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm really hoping
one emerges as a starting potential corner and one as a starting potential S since the current safeties are really bad in coverage as well..
A bit much to ask though.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
this Norris needs to go...
Lawrence Vickers or Lenoard Weaver on this team please
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 28, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
McClain would be perfect
He can even fill in at RB pretty well, too. Although I don’t know how Baltimore would let him AND McGahee go.
That would send a message...
Gore: “I want more money and a contract extension. I’m not coming to training camp until I get it.”
49ers: “You know that buddy of yours who’s underproduced for years and that we keep around because you love him so? Yeah, we just cut him. Good news is… we found more money for you in the salary cap!”
yes, very interesting indeed
I even wonder if they’re throwing him out there to further complicate the CB market…and discover his true value.
With guys like Joseph and Cromartie, Carlos Rogers, Chris Houston…all the way down to brent grimes. The FO will soon find out what his value really is, when it’s paired to the other talent out there.
Just make the D like a cover 3
Nnamdi gets 1/3 and put the two safeties to cover the other 2/3’s to help Spencer out lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Jul 28, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
right after they resign goldson for ten million a year two safeties that can not cover mays and goldson lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Frankly...49ers need to sign Both Asomugha and Joseph!
and furthermore, if the 9ers don’t sign at Least one of the guys…everyone else out there is very, very average.
Bottom Line:
A+ grade if 9ers flex their muscle and sign Both Asomugha & Joseph.
A grade if the can sign either Asomugha or Joseph
F if they sign neither
have to agree with you. niners just went all in by cutting clements.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
how much are we under the cap now with Nate being cut
Can they do this, getting Nnamdi and JJ?
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by EcERyda69 on Jul 28, 2011 11:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, a little of 20million before anymore cuts. norris can be cut for 1.5million
there is also the three different cap exceptions that can make the cap almost 130million which would add almost ten million to that number.
there is also gimmicks that the jets used to make a 10million a year contract worth only 2.5million in the first year; not sure how they did that.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
you can backload contracts and have guaranteed money paid in different increments in different years. Jets are basically screwing the future for the next 1-2 years of just pounding the nfl.
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by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
a bad secondary for the niners will be more exposed this year than in years prior. i personally see the NFC west becoming alot more competitive.
Cardinals: going to have kolb throwing which is a huge upgrade for them, and still got fitz.
Rams: Bradford looked like a stud and actually is gonna have good receivers to throw to this time around, plus josh mcdaniels has always been a trigger happy O.C. in calling pass plays.
Seahawks: They cam eout the worst letting hasselbeck walk, with him and that retooled line and s. rice to throw to they would have been a lot better, but with their QB’s they’ll be alot like the cardinals this year.
personally seeing how the division has been drafting and signing free agents it looks like they are all adopting a pass first type of offense.
2011 mock draft
1st- Patrick Peterson CB, 2nd- Jake Locker QB, 3rd-Allen Bailey DE, 4th- Dontay Moch OLB, 4th- Jacquizz Rodgers RB, 5th- Owen Marecic FB, 6th- Greg McElroy QB, 6th- Jake Kirkpatrick OC, 7th- Derrick Lock RB, 7th- Greg Salas WR
by Sippin'onGinn&Juice on Jul 28, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
No Income Tax in Texas = No Nnamdi in San Francisco
*Even if we match them, he’s essentially getting a couple million extra per year because of this.
the same thing was said about harbaugh.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
The situations are a little different though
Harbaugh was a coach trying to break into the NFL ranks for the first time. A disastrous start would have been really bad for his career, so it makes sense to take less money for a “better chance” with a more talented team.
Asomugah has well-established himself and on the latter stages of his career. So the question is, does he want to make money or to win a championship? His choice may give the answer.
I love our team, but Houston arguably has a more attractive team as well...
The last 2 drafts in Houston has given new DC Wade Phillips alot to work with (i won’t list all the athletic prospects). Pressure schemes w/ an elite DB have turned it around rather quickly in recent memory (Jets, N.O, GB). Offensively, it’s not close (Hou>SF). And actually statistically, their defense wasnt much worse than ours last year. We werent very good.
Real estate tax
The real estate tax is way higher in Texas though so the two even out. That should’nt be a huge factor in the FA signing
by HappyHourSomewhere on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Higher is different than non-existent
It might not be the biggest factor, but these decisions are often made from a combination of factors (contract, scheme, quality of living, etc.) If you make 12-16 million a year, you will CERTAINLY pay attention to the income tax. No question.
This seems crazy to me
Yes, we can afford it, but that would pretty much tie our hands for the next couple off seasons. The secondary is our biggest need, but hardly our only need. If the price is right and we can land one of those guys, fine. But both? Its not like we are only “a great secondary” away from a super bowl run.
by Call It The Throw on Jul 28, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
biggest weakness has been the secondary and qb. harbaugh and kaepernick should hopefully solve that. better pass rush=aldon smith. secondary???
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
How do we know that Aldon Smith and Kaepernick are the "answers"?
They are rookies. They could be great. They could be Kentwan and Alex. There are a lot of questions for the Niners today, and there will be more at the end of the season. Sinking all our money into two players would be a very bad idea.
by Call It The Throw on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
how do you know they are not?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 28, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
It is probably unfair to expect Kaepernick to do much this year
On the other hand, we should have high expectations for Aldon Smith.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 28, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Said it before, I'll say it again ...
How about NA and JJ as starting corners and Culliver as nickel corner? Backups SS and Adams? Gone … Clements and Brown? Practice Squad … Holcomb?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jul 28, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Cap this year is 120 million
Lets say you spend 5 on special teams, leaving you 57 to spend on offense and defense each.
The cheapest you could probably get both is 12 and 10 mill per year, which leaves you 35 million to pay Willis, Smith, McDonald, and 6 other warm bodies.
You just ran out of money long before you could field 11 defenders, nor less have depth — unless you want to gut your offense. This isn’t Madden.
all the highlights for orton and kolb there is always so many highlight clips against the niners.
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Rotoworld
Saying 49ers keeping tabs on richard Marshall as well
ugh
he’s honestly not that good
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by FearTheTree on Jul 28, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah. he had one of the higher burn rates this past year
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by FearTheTree on Jul 28, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Did he pick off Carr
In the game Smith got hurt?
by h0ckeysk83r on Jul 28, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
when NFLN shows Richard Marshall highlights
I look forward to seeing it.
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by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
he's ok, he'd be much cheaper than the other guys and he's a buy low guy
I don’t think they’d sign him without also signing someone else, but if they get completely shut out, he’s an upgrade over Spencer.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 28, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I always found it odd that we were not interested in Dunta Robinson at all last year
looks like a steal now
There is a lot of cornerbacks left in the market...
The Niners will noo doubt land one of them; possibly two.
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Honestly...
I think Carr is terrible, i’d much rather have any other CB on the market
by HappyHourSomewhere on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Help Wanted
Any free agent CB. Previous starting experience desired. Willing to pay top free agent money, circa 2010. Please contact Trent Baalke.
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by bignerd on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hearing Carr back in Baltimore
But must have missed the tweet. Anyone have it?
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I know he said he'd like to remain
with a raise and way more playing time. I really don’t see him leaving Baltimore.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 28, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Baltimore's salary cap situation isn't good
They had to release a few vets in order to even re-sign Yanda etc… It will be about the money
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Per MM
@caplannfl Deal is done. Kolb will sign a five-year extension for over $63 million with over $20 mill guaranteed.> Cardinals fill QB job.
Now this if funny
Kevin Kolb trade to Arizona done. The Cardinals gave up Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd round pick and signed Kolb to a 5Y-63MD Contract.
Now, that makes little sense. Give up your second best corner a 2nd round pick and give an unproven QB 20 million guaranteed
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
And...
his stats are worse than Alex’s. I approve this trade!
by HappyHourSomewhere on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh and he had way more talent to throw to and still did worse than Alex
by HappyHourSomewhere on Jul 28, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
49ers
still have a better QB than Seattle and Arizona
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 28, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It is seriously one of the dumbest moves a team could make
may set the Arizona Cardinal franchise back five years. It also discounts the draft pick of Patrick Peterson because they gave up DRC
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 28, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope he has an even funnier post game beating rant than Derek Anderson lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Jul 28, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It will go something like this
“Well when I came to Arizona, I thought that they would have all of this fire power. I mean Kurt Warner made it look so easy, but then when I got here it turns out that all they had left was Larry Fitzgerald, and it is just too difficult to force a ball into triple coverage”
by sanfranfanmdk on Jul 28, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I love
watching highlights on NFLN of every QB beating the niners secondary. Just thought I’d say something I’d miss (happily) about getting a top CB
Do the Cardinals have any fans?
Revenge of the Birds has like 4-8 comments per front page post!!
by brundylop on Jul 28, 2011 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nothing like Niners Nation
have you seen the Raiders SB Nation page? Raiders Nation my butt, more like Raiders Village
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
They don't know how to use computers in that Nation.
We should start a program that donates a laptop to a Raiders fan for every new computer we buy.
by brianmc27 on Jul 28, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you been to Arizona?
The average age of the residents is 67. They talk about the Cardinals via Pony Express.
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Say goodbye to Franklin
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 28, 2011 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
no just ignorant about football
but I guess a double nose tackle may work in a 4-3 scheme….. which Fangio might be running. At least a hybrid anyway
he could
put Bowman at his natural OLB in a 4-3 spot
by sanfranfanmdk on Jul 28, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear that if two players each put a leg into a potato sack
a la 3-legged race style, it only counts as one person on the field
by sanfranfanmdk on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Amazing that Belichek hasn't exploited this before
and sent his spy crew out on the feel inside those sacks as well
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