Official NN Free Agency/Trade Thread - Nnamdi, Carr, ? [7/28]
by David Fucillo on Jul 28, 2011 5:27 PM PDT
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PrintThe previous Official NN Free Agency/Trade thread wasn't quite as full as others, but with the Nnamdi sweepstakes heating up, I figured I'd play it safe and open a new thread. Johnathan Joseph decided to sign a five year deal with the Houston Texans, which means Nnamdi Asomugha is left to decide between our 49ers and the New York Jets. If he goes to the 49ers, hurray for us. If he goes to the Jets, the 49ers will need to consider their backup options, whether it be Chris Carr, a restructured Nate Clements deal, or something else.
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...Cromartie? Please tell me you've seen youtube lowlights of him against the run.
But seriously, Nnamdi is 30 years old and going to warrant $10M+ per year, do we jump?
With no Nate Clements to fall back on – we really have no other option BUT to throw the bank at him. People say that he will follow the money but Nnamdi does not seem to be that kind of person.
Yes, he has had great success in the NFL and warrants a hefty contract.
Playing at UC Berkley and having so much involvement in the Bay Area is also something that must be weighing heavily on his mind… So is uprooting his family to move clear across the country but for some reason, playing for a NFC Championship caliber team may throw all those things aside.
To me, the 49ers make the most sense but that’s besides the obvious bias I have for the 49ers. The NFL’s Man of the Year brings up the “whole person concept” but as an athlete, he wants to win games…. At this point i’d give it 55% to 45% in the Jets’ favor.
First thing he’ll do is ask the wife… First thing she’ll say is, “Chase dreams.” and that dream is most definitely hoisting that Lombardi trophy. But you gotta wonder..
The other option we have is
to be patient and build our team through the draft instead of throwing a bank at a corner who will be halfway to 70 before this team is ready to be a perennial Lombardi contender.
by Ougadas on Jul 28, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can see your point but ...
would you want them to learn under Shawntae or under Nnamdi? Even if Nnamdi can cover half the field then there’s still more of the field to be covered.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
They'll learn under the coaches
Putting Culliver with Nnamdi gets you the exact same results as putting Curtis Painter with Peyton Manning. Peyton is still Peyton and Painter isn’t.
Nnamdi can’t cover any of the field, he can cover 1 WR man to man. That’s what he does. But there are 5 eligible receivers on offense and there is no such thing as skill acquisition by osmosis.
LOL
I actually asked a teacher in school, that had put books on his stool to prop himself up if he was getting the answers thru osmosis.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This was after having fallen...
asleep in his class and he woke me up asked me the quesiton and I answered it. Those were fun days LOL.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh
Ours always threatened us with instruction through osmosis if we fell asleep in class. I think the gist of it was a lesson in velocity, momentum, and non-elastic deformation that would be delivered by thrown physics texts. Different times. =P
Yeah we had ones that ...
threw erasers..and that was in the days when they had wood backings to them.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh...and...
Nnamdi doesn’t preclude Culliver being on the field. That was my “covers half the field” statement and yes that is mythical but he will give support to “the kids” as they come up. And really you did not answer my questiion. And yes who do you learn from when you start work? From your coworkers, as much as from your boss.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Had we been able to acquire Joseph
…we wouldn’t be paying $11M+ per year… looks like he got $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus.
Yeah
JJ woulda been nice and would have helped not only sew up the secondary a bit but helped teach a lot of players. Imagine the ..don’t even start to b*** about this ownership..man let me tell you! You got it good here…we got it good here.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Football is a whole different world.
It’s more like watching a world class violinist play his masterpiece and then hand you a violin and say, you just play it like so, and he plays it again — full speed.
LOL worked with those types
and learned a lot from them.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Point is
They’ll learn more from the coaching staff in training camp than they could from Nnamdi in a year. This isn’t a “coworker / boss” analogy, this is a “much smarter fellow undergrad / world class educator” analogy.
But..that wasn't the question was it?
And I’ve done all my learning OJT (and have thrived in an industry that is very highly saturated with grads) and have learned from bosses and learned from coworkers. But let’s rephrase the question a bit. Which player do you feel that a fellow player can learn more from, a player like Shawntae or a player like Nnamdi? And you being an engineer I’m sure you know first-hand that you need to learn not only from bosses or teachers but from everything around you.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well what I'm trying to tell you
is that your question lies on the poor assumption that the analogy is similar. It isn’t.
You can watch Nnamdi cover a guy, you can watch how many strides he backpedals, you can watch where he places his hands, you can watch where in the stride he flips his hips, he can make some pretty good guesses as to what he’s actually doing and why and try to relate it to you, but a large part of it is muscle memory that he won’t be able to explain and you won’t be able to learn from observation.
Worse, lets say somehow you could replicate his movements exactly. Congrats, due to differences in height, weight, stride length, arm length, speed, and agility — you’ve just learned excellent technique for Nnamdi, and horrible technique for you.
When I "emulate" a coworker it's not their movements
it’s their approach to situations, their attitude, their work ethic, and such. I also listen to them explain their approach. (Note: This is what I also try to “teach” to some of the younger coworkers.). This is the sort of thing I’m speaking of. That is what worries me as far as Cromarte, for example,, I’ll admit. Those are the things I was speaking of. I think we can say that TO probably benefited from early on seeing how Rice approached things. Did he try and emulate him physically? I don’t think so, possibly he did. Those are the things I am speaking of.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 30, 2011 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Aha, so you aren't talking about technical learning, but more of a role model thing..
Well it’s a moot point now, but I think the idea of a 12 million dollar role model is quite poor.
Baalke and Harbaugh have already made it a point to bring in athletes that might not be the top talents, but have extremely high “football character” which is what you are describing. So I would think that the marginal value you would gain there is insignificant compared to the salary hell you’d be burdening the franchise with.
There will be some technical yes.
Just like an older QB is expected to teach a guy to brush off an int and to help him learn defensive plays and such. So can a guy on defense. Let’s admit that it is not entirely physical ability that makes a player great it is numerous other skills as well. That’s what I’m saying. But yes it’s a moot point. But it can be brought up again on the other side if you start talking about Cromarte.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 30, 2011 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaaaa, like Brown, Clements, and Spencer? Asomugha would easily be a better teacher. He locked down Andre Johnson before, with sound technique.
He’s a big corner but he is smaller and not as strong. Technique in man coverage is crucial.
Nnamdi Asomugha is a class act if there has ever been one. 3 Year 45 million, No Jewels at all, SIGN THE MAN, 16 Mil? So pay him!!
UWBA, can make me the happiest fan of 2011!!!!!
Obviously our coaches are confident they can win with what theyre putting together.
I like how they are thinking….
Nnamdi Asomugha is a class act if there has ever been one. 3 Year 45 million, No Jewels at all, SIGN THE MAN, 16 Mil? So pay him!!
UWBA, can make me the happiest fan of 2011!!!!!
The fact is we have to spend our cap this season, we had plenty of good FAs available, and they're pretty much all slipping away at this point.
We have to make a move. This is killing me.
this reminds of coach's same thought process
2011 season can't come quick enough..
by AzNiner on Jul 28, 2011 5:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
playing for a NFC Championship caliber team
lol almost took you seriously until this
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 28, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
you don't take people seriously if they type one wrong letter?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
..I don't get it.
Did they not go? Have they not made the playoffs the past few years in an elimination format where any team may advance after 60 minutes?
And sorry for confusing some seriously blasphamous stuff... AFC.
…Championship potential in a highly competitive conference. I get it but not taking me seriously when the AFC has proven to be more “serious” in years past (NY and NO aside).
She'll say "Chase dreams."..and then...
on NFL network will come a blurb showing the Pats having picked up Haynesworth and OccoCinco and then clips of BB and Brady. And he’ll think of Revis Island and Revis hold on NY and all and slam his hand down..and say..“SF it is!”
(A boy can dream can’t he?)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll ask his wife
and she’ll say “OMG live in New York?!?!?! Yes please!!!!!”
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
we got Akers for a kicker per schefter....
2011 season can't come quick enough..
by AzNiner on Jul 28, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Niners reach agreement with David Akers
Former Eagles Kicker. Getting Link
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 5:58 PM PDT reply actions
Anyone want to entertain people by stating End of Season record guesses or...
…Would it get out of hand too quickly….?
6-10 again.
sorry, just not seeing how we’ll be any better than that this year.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Not agreeing nor disagreeing..as time will tell..
but care to give some reasons for positing that answer?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
off the top of my head:
- our D-line has just been decimated
- no starting Center whatsoever
- no franchise QB
- new coaching staff with almost no offseason
- our best players are at the least important positions
- pass rush will depend on a rookie and whole bunch of proven mediocrity
- there’s exactly one player on the O-line that I trust to play well all year (Iupati)
I’d love to see even an average team in there, but I don’t.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Cool thanks!
That was what I was wanting. :-) Some input. And you gave it. Some I’d agree with and some not. But thank you for that.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I called it months ago, top 5 pick
Nnamdi Asomugha is a class act if there has ever been one. 3 Year 45 million, No Jewels at all, SIGN THE MAN, 16 Mil? So pay him!!
UWBA, can make me the happiest fan of 2011!!!!!
PFT quote: "NE Patriots expecting Albert Haynesworth to be a good teammate"
…Okay, that’s what Washington probably said before he took a dump on any faith they had in him. (Not a factual statement, just a figure of speech)
Washington didn't have
BB and Mr. Kraft and Brady. Yes Brady can be a dick but still he’s (Haynesworth) not gonna start flying off at the mouth. You can say a lot about the Pats but they have a locker room.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
QUESTION: How much did he walk away from Washington with from his $100M+ deal?
..I know it’s only been a couple of years but anyone remember what his signing bonus was + base salary for the time he wasted up there?
it was 36-38 million somewhere in there
he’s still getting paid 10+ for the rest of his contract, I think he has one crazy year that will definitely have to be renegotiated because there’s like a 20m bonus on top of the salary.
It’s a relatively low risk move for the Pats, but if he gets injured this year or doesn’t perform they’d have to cut him for 2012.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 28, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
brundy....
you know your job man! It worked for Harbaugh it can work again! LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 28, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do I have a feeling
that this job will be a lot harder.
It’s going to be a big order, but take another for the team I shall!
Could the tough competition in the AFC
Help land us Nnamdi? He has to go against Peyton, Brady, Rivers, Ben to get through… Rodgers, Brees might be the only two in NFC… Kolb, TJax, Bradford in division…
Crabtree
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/07/foot-injury-wil.html
foot injury out 4-6 weeks
Wow.
That is all kinds of crappy. Malcolm Floyd anyone?
Twitter: @Joshuahss
James Jones
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.......
this isn’t going to help his reputation.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Really sucks.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin
Not a replacement,
But Michael Jenkins was just released. Big target, decent number 2 guy, upgrade over Morgan. I want to see a list of who’s left out there in free agent land.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
I feel like I'm watching the team just going to crap.
If we don’t pick up a good FA soon, I will be really pissed off.
WR
Maurice Purify- get him before the Bengals do. I’d hate to see him in purgatory. He’s in the Arena playoff game Saturday. He’s broken out, and I’d love to see the Niners get this gem.
Is everyone Nnamdi
or Bust as of right now? I feel like even if they miss out on him they could still have a successful off season, they just have to sign the right players.
James Jones would be one of those players
No, there's a handful of us that don't want him at all.
Or more specifically, don’t want his mammoth contract for what is surely to be declining performance on the other side of 30.
To me it depends.
So long as they make other sound decisions I will get over it. But if the Niners pretty much stand pat then I think many will have a problem. Nnamdi is the big name, but I don’t know if it is the best move.
Twitter: @Joshuahss
Can't seem to find anything about Nnamdi's agent mentioned in any recent article.
Who’s advising him – anyone know? Somebody sensible like Condon?
by DeathValleyCarl on Jul 29, 2011 7:36 AM PDT reply actions
Asomugha's agent is Ben Dogra
Who i am not familiar with at all….
"I can accept failure. Everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."- Michael Jordan
I swore.....
That Nnamdi and Cromartie’s agents are Tom Condon according to NFL Network.
Some company that he runs apparently represents them both.
Michael Lombardi
Is reporting the 49ers have exited the Nnamdi Sweepstakes. Down to Jets and Cowboys. Hope they go after Cromartie
Interesting....
ClaytonESPN John Clayton
reminding everyone that the minimum spend of 89 percent doesn’t start until 2013.
NFC West
Keeps signing but not the Niners…
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Sam Bradford’s going to be happy: Rams reached agreement with former Falcons guard Harvey Dahl on a four-year deal
damn
Rams were already looking better than any other team in the division for the next decade.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
This is what's giving me the slightest glimmer of hope that we're still in the Nnamdi sweepstakes.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 29, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally new defense, according to spencer
MaioccoCSN Matt Maiocco
49ers CB Shawnate Spencer says difference from this defense from last 6 years, “English and Spanish…it’s a different language.”
defense
It’s a different language in the playbook. No word yet on the actual schemes involved.
by David Fucillo on Jul 29, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
More bad news
mattbarrows Matt Barrows
More bad #49ers news: 7th round pick Curtis Holcomb ruptured his Achilles tendon Thurs. CB will have surgery and is likely out for season.
I really like him.
Very sad.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin
best wishes
on his recovery. Maybe he can talk to Phillip Adams about coming back from gruesome ankle injuries
when are we going to do something
every other team in our division is making signings while we sit and do nothing. typical niner FO i guess
Ready For #6
Well you can't officially sign anyone until 10 minutes from now.
I’m hoping they’re keeping quiet on their deals.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jul 29, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Nnamdi to the Eagles....
In case decorum is still up…
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDGE.
the bengals d-cordinator when asked about who is replacing JJ
"It will be interesting to see what the next guy is," Zimmer said. "Whether he’s here, or at training camp, or on the street somewhere, or if he’s on another team, or Canada. Who knows? You have to find somebody out there and play and if we can’t find a guy exactly what we’re looking for, we’ll have to alter some of the things we’re looking to do."
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
"Short list" of Free Agents at areas of need.
I put together a quick short list of Free Agents at areas we have needs. My take is that we have the following needs: CB, WR, OC, RB, FB.
CB
Antonio Cromarte 6’2" 210 Age: 27
Excellent combination of size, strength and athleticism. Strength to match up to physical receivers. Quick enough to follow speedy receivers. Not as physical as some might perceive.
Chris Carr 5’10" 182 Age: 28
Average sized with above average quickness. Good body control and agility. Instinctive player. Good ball skills.
Carlos Rogers 6’0" 189 Age: 30
Good size but not great strength. Good quickness and agility (hips). Not very instinctive and not used to
complicated schemes. Some durability concerns.
Eric Wright 5’10" 190 Age: 26
Good size and athleticism with great quickness and burst. Reads routes well. Good ball skills. Not very physical
in run support.
Richard Marshall 5’11" 189 Age: 26
Fairly good size and above average speed with excellent quickness and agility. Strength not great.
WR
Braylon Edwards 6’3" 214 Age: 28
Strong athletic receiver. Known for pass drop problems. Adjusts well to the ball. Physical blocker. Possible locker
room and work ethic worries.
Plaxico Burress 6’5" 232 Age: 33
Excellent size and body control. Worries about time away and work ethic.
Malcolm Floyd 6’5" 225 Age: 29
Excellent size and above average speed. Good agility. Good route runner, and will go for the ball in traffic. Good
at reading coverages.
James Jones 6’1" 208 Age: 27
Good size and strength with great straight line speed. Solid blocker. Willing to catch I traffic.
OC
Jonathan Goodwin 6’3" 318 Age: 32
Good size and natural leverage and good initial quickness. Aggressive. Can struggle some in pass pro.
Olin Kreutz
Good qualities all around. Durable, consistent and powerful. Only real negative is age.
Chris Spencer 6’3" 309 Age: 29
RB
Ahmad Bradshaw 5’9" 198 Age: 25
Compact yet powerful. Explosive with good burst thru the hole. Tough to bring down in the open field. Reliable
hands out of the backfield.
Michael Bush 6’1" 245 Age: 27
Good size, quick feet, can lower pads and break through. Struggles some on outside routes.
Joseph Addai 5’11" 214 Age: 28
Good size and good vision and elusiveness. Problems staying healthy. Excellent receiving out of the backfield.
Good blocker.
Cedric Benson 5’11" 227 Age: 28
FB
Vonta Leach 6’0" 225 Age: 29
Good power build for a fullback. Strictly a blocking back. Good but not great receiver out of the backfield.
Excellent blocker.
LeRon McClain 6’0" 260 Age: 26
Excellent physical lead blocker. Good speed and quicknesss. Effective short yardage and goal line runner.
Good vision and good angles. Adequate receiving out of the backfield.
Lawrence Vickers 6’0" 250 Age:
Good blocker. Big and powerful with average speed and quickness. Limited run skills.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 30, 2011 4:43 AM PDT reply actions
Looking over this...
I’d like to take on Cromarte (warily), and maybe get Marshall or Wright as well. Floyd would be a first choice at WR with a second choice of James Jones, though Plax is interesting. Not really a great lineup at RB but maybe go Bradshaw or Addai and make a strong push for LeRon McClain (who might be going “Hmmm a team with a holdout at RB and two essential rookies otherwise. I smell some carries.”)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 30, 2011 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Scratch one and possibly two coming up
Carr went back to the Ravens and sounds like the Jets are working feverishly on Cromarte.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 30, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And another one
The Cards (Yes the Cards) got Richard Marshall.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 30, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
And another one bites the dust LOL
Addai is back with the Colts.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 30, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
niners are going young and no character issues and strong desire to play and win.
expensive vets is what they do not want.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Is there any teeth in the Willis rumors?
Are they really seeing what Philly will give up along with Samuel? As a Cardinals fan, I personally would love to see it, but Willis is the best LB in the NFL period. Does Harbaugh just not have as high of a value on an LB?
It's just a stupid internet rumor.
I can’t imagine Harbaugh would go from Owen Marecic and Shayne Skov to trading Patrick Willis for an aging CB.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
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