Marty Mornhinweg Thinks Michael Vick Could Be Better Than Steve Young
No, Marty Mornhinweg's calender isn't three months behind, so no he is not, in fact, under the impression that it is April 1st and therefore has to say something completely insane. No, Mornhinweg is perfectly capable of making insanely idiotic or downright confusing (they generally go hand-in-hand, trying to fathom the unfathomably dumb is a daunting task) statements on any day of any month of any year.
Thanks to Pro Football Talk for the making me aware of the original piece here, in which Mornhinweg talks about his former quarterback and how his current quarterback could end up being better. His former quarterback being, of course, Steve Young. You remember him, right? Pretty decent quarterback, could throw the ball and run pretty well, has a Super Bowl ring and is second only to Joe Montana as far as 49ers quarterbacks go. Nothing special or anything like that, you probably recall him ranting about monkeys on his back or some such.
Anyway, so Young, his former quarterback, could end up being inferior to Michael Vick of the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm not sure if he's going for some comparisons between the two players in regards to playing style, or if he's just relating and saying "as far as the quarterbacks I've coached, he could be the best." Well, it doesn't work either way, because they're not all that similar, as it happens.
"Absolutely. Here was a man who hasn't played for a couple of years. However, if he did it the right way, I thought he could be a Steve Young-type player," Mornhinweg says.
He considers, then continues: "Mike's got a long way to go, but, you know what? I think he can be better than Steve."
Young, lefthanded and mobile like Vick, is in the Hall of Fame.
Right, so they're both left-handed and mobile. There's some key differences, though. Young was never mobile like Vick can be, while Vick will never be able to do everything else a quarterback needs to do as well as Young did. Not even close, as it happens. This is just an outright silly statement ... I was initially going to set out to debunk it by talking about specifically how they are different and how Vick clearly will never be as good a quarterback as Young but ... really?
C'mon man.
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If Vick did what he did last season at the beginning of his career, I could see him developing into a Hall of Fame QB
As it is, Vick is slowing down, has maybe two to four good years left, and then he’s done.
He won’t ever be better than Steve Young. But I don’t think it’s too far-fetched to say he could have been, had he got his act together from the outset, learned his reads, stopped running at every chance and, needless to say, not gone to jail. He has some incredible talent.
vick played 12 games last year. can he even stay healthy for a full season? total crazy talk
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Duh!!!
Isnt this the same coach that won the coin toss in overtime than elected to kickoff. Enuf said he doesnt know anything.
cppeter
by foreveryoung66 on Jul 7, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
let me help clarify what he was saying
michael vick is better thansteveVince young.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Well played
That said, if VY ever gets his head on straight, and better coaching, he could still turn out to have a better career than the dog-killer. I doubt it, but it’s technically possible. That guy has a lot of talent to watch it go to waste…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jul 6, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
i wouldn't put too much stock in his comments
i don’t think it’s supposed to put down steve young, but rather build vick up. he’s just trying to say some good things about his current qb.
i don’t think it’s much different than harbaugh saying all those good things about alex.
"I think people fail to remember that he was the second of their first draft choices. So it’s not taking as big of a risk if people think it’s a risk as people, uh… think."
John Lynch on The Teeblerator
Sorry but some things are hard to forget.
Steve Young is a Hall of Famer and Vick is a dog killer. He didn’t drug them or do it humane he drowned his dogs. Philly is a joke of a franchise how they act as if this animal cruelty mastermind is there new savior. I guess its easier to forgot a man killed for pathetic reasons and did it to make more income for his pathetic family. Now Nike supports him and they say “he has paid his dues”. Well what dues do you mean?Huge contract? City full of idolizing inbreeders? Apparel contracts? Ya I am pretty sure they are 2 different men Young and Vick and one has a ring and a hall of fame nod while the other will never make it in and will never get a ring. Sorry Philly will not win a bowl with Vick.
Californa is world PVP at it's finest.
by Sammallory on Jul 6, 2011 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
east coast teams have no shame.
dog abusers, murders(or just happened to be there and not tell the police), and rapists
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
About the only thing he has to stand on here...
Is that Vick is a better runner. Young was a great runner, but Vick is truly special in that aspect of his game.
However, in the categories of accuracy, pre-snap diagnosis, passer rating, playoff performance, etc, Young has Vick beat in pretty much everything.
So, long story short, MM’s argument is simply not true.
I like Young. He’s a hall-of-famer and an excellent quarterback. And, had he played for ANY other team during his prime, or come directly after ANYONE not named Joe Montana (greatest of all time), he would have gotten a lot more love for just how great he was. He just wasn’t quite as great as his predecessor…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
No Hall for Vick
Vick will never pay his drew for what he did, Anyone with any brains knows killing dogs for a sport is wrong, Funding that sport was wrong, Anything about what he did was wrong, Nike dump’s him and now say’s they will back him again, No more Nike for me, I like to see Nike go down the road and take Vick with them, Michelle Wie is backed by Nike, She a sweetheart, Vick is a dog killer, That name will never leave Vick, So don’t tell me to forget about it, Not going to happen anytime soon.
i love dogs
but dude, people make mistakes. forgive and forget.
It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...
by iStoner on Jul 6, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
YOU CAN FORGIVE AND FORGET ALL YOU WANT, THATS YOUR CHOICE, YOU CAN’T TELL ME OR OTHERS TO DO THE SAME THINGS, YOU MUST BE A SORRY @$$ EAGLE FAN THAT LOVES ANYTHING THEM MAKES THEM WIN GAMES.
by DaHawn-49er on Jul 6, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'ed
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
calm down
You don’t have to forgive Vick but no need to get so upset.
by David Fucillo on Jul 6, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I-STONER
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough and I agree that Vick will not make the Hall Of Fame
But it will not be for those actions it will be because he will not have the stats to get in. The way he plays he will get another 3 to 4 good years. His body will break down and he will have enough good years to be a HOF QB
by Lok on Jul 6, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
he already missed four games last year. if he does not stop scrambling he will not be a starter for much longer.
and the rules protect qb’s much more now than they did when yonug played.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
No where close
compare Steve Young’s Career Stats: http://www.nfl.com/player/steveyoung/2503843/careerstats?id=YOU299670
to
Michael Vick’s Career Stats: http://www.nfl.com/player/michaelvick/2504531/careerstats?id=VIC311467
no where close, even if you compare young’s first 98 games to vick’s (through the 93 season for young) since vick has only played in 98 games.
Vick will never be able to do everything else a quarterback needs to do as well as Young did. Not even close, as it happens. This is just an outright silly statement … I was initially going to set out to debunk it by talking about specifically how they are different and how Vick clearly will never be as good a quarterback as Young but … really?
C’mon man.
This is complete and utter huffing and puffing as in complete BS. His ceiling due to his athletic ability is still through the roof even at his age. He applied himself for one offseason and a lot of people here wish they had him on the team. Not to mention Young started for what 8 seasons? Vick can play 8 seasons if he loses the no sliding mentality. And in those eight seasons with more film study and mechanical work he can be better. It’s not like every Qb can spend multiple seasons behind the best Qb ever. I think that all that have said this is soo far fetched or whatever you call it is not being realistic. Homerism if anything, is at the tip of the tongue. Its a possiblility, and without his 1 Superbowl would Young even be an MVP? 2 4000 yard passing seasons and 2 30 plus td seasons? is that it? Oh yeah the completion pct. is way up there, and Vick is a lot lower, however the dynamics of his legs changes the game for the Rb and wr’s, you have yet to see his best. His fauts as a QB can be improved, I mean really?
RLOTT#42
Yeah I said it, Craptree, and it is not a typo.....
Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
by rlott#42 on Jul 6, 2011 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i bet vick plays 6 games this year due to injuries unless he does not scramble and stays in the pocket.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet you are WAAAAAAY off on that guess.
RLOTT#42
Yeah I said it, Craptree, and it is not a typo.....
Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
I bet not by much. 12 gamer last year and one year older next season.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 7, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Sig bet then???
RLOTT#42
Yeah I said it, Craptree, and it is not a typo.....
Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
Yeah I’m all about that huffing and puffing. No credibility here.
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Right I know...
RLOTT#42
Yeah I said it, Craptree, and it is not a typo.....
Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
Not as big of an impact. Vick will be as fast as a young Young when he's about 35 or 36, he could have 9 seasons left in him.
RLOTT#42
Yeah I said it, Craptree, and it is not a typo.....
Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
Michael Vick will never be the QB that Steve Young was. He is the most accurate QB in NFL history
Michael will never be the leader on and off the field that Steve was. And that is not a knock on Michael its just the truth. Michael might be the better athlete and might have the better cannon but he will never have the same mind for the game that Steve has. Its obvious that Michael still depends on his physical abilities to win games. Steve at the peak to the end of his career could beat teams with both his athletic abilities and his mind
BOO THIS MAN!!!
BOOOOOOOOO!!!
"When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story." - Barney Stinson
boo you dude
He did his damn time and paid his due now give him a freaking break.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jul 6, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Calm down!
I wasn’t even talking about Vick. I was talking about the comments Marty made. I know he served his time and good for him. Vick is no Steve Young, that’s for sure.
Next time you might want to ask who I’m talking about before you make an assumption.
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by Haggardninja on Jul 6, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well said rlott#42.
Why the hell can’t Vick be as good a QB as Young? I mean, Young was my idol as a kid but as rlott#42 said Vick had ONE season where he was trained to be a pocket first QB, and he put up some astounding numbers. I am a strong believer that Vick will continue to improve into his second season as a pocket first QB, and who knows how much he can improve? He certainly has the tools to be an elite QB, and Vick didn’t get 4+ years to train under a HOF QB and coach like Young did. Even as a pure scrambling QB he took the Falcons to the championship game. The jury is still out and let’s just wait and see what the future holds for Mike Vick before writing him off.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jul 6, 2011 6:49 PM PDT reply actions
the jury is not still out. Vick spent time in prison so he is guily. guilty people go to Prison.
The jury is still out
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t even notice that lol, no pun intended. I meant regarding his football career.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jul 6, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
all this 'never' this and 'never' that...
I didnt know God himself was a fan on this site. I love Steve Young but how the hell can yall say that you know for a fact that Vick wont be better. I think yall should say u “hope” he’s not a better QB because you hate him as a man.
I love dogs. However, some of you “dog lovers” are freakin hypocrites. I love people more than i love dogs which is why i dont agree with the military and the killing of human beings. With this being said, i dont hate every soldier like you guys hate Vick.
Some people are hall of fame all pro all star HATERS!!
I bet u guys have a neverending list of people you hate.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
colin kaepernick will be better than Joe Montana.
is that appropriate statement to make? or am I hating if I say that above statement is not true?
vick 21 tds best season Steve Young 36 TD’s in one season
Steve Young’s best season completion percentage of 70% is only 10 less than vick’s career passer rating of 80%.
Vick’s style of play and his injuries are most likely going to severely limit his career as he only played 12 games last year. that is with all of the extra rules to protect qb’s today that Steve Young did not have.
When and if vick wins at least one super bowl and if he ever makes it into the hall of fame than the discussion can happen. many consider it very bad to talk about a player maybe someday being better than one player especially when the obviously better player played for your team that you root for and is clearly the better player and has not accomplished close to what the better player has accomplished.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
if you haven't noticed, Vick's career isn't over.
If you’re talking tds you’re gonna have to include rushing tds because they also count for 6 points.
Its sort of ridiculous to compare stats between a retired player and a player in their prime.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Young also had rushing td’s, vick best is 9 young is 7.
Its sort of ridiculous to compare stats between a retired player and a player in their prime.
considering this statement; how ridiculous is it to say that vick is better than Young? and if only starting 12 games when someone is in their “prime” vick will never make it to the hall of fame and no where near the player that Steve Young was. And Steve Young played in a time where qb’s were less protected by rules.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Vick isn't one of those QBs that need that protections.
There you go with that never statement…how do you know? No one ever said that Vick was better, just that he has the potential to be better. He may not be but he could.
Wassup wit the negativity…
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
everyone has potential
if only starting 12 games when someone is in their "prime" vick will never make it to the hall of fame
the statement was that vick is in his prime when he only played in 12 games last year. I am no hall of fame expert but I think someone needs to play complete seasons in their “prime” to make it to the hall of fame.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
umm...that was one year
Im sure they arent gonna snub him for missing 4 games in 2010. With that logic, there shouldn’t be any hall of famers that missed 4 games in one season.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The list can't be never-ending,
as the number of people who have ever existed and ever will exist is finite.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
If your brother went to jail because a lapse in judgement that was predicated by a culture he was born in...
would you hate him as well?
Its mentalities like this that make the world what it is today
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
I know seriously.
Just like how people say it’s black people’s fault they live in the ghetto and their lives don’t improve.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jul 6, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say anything about Vick's jail time.
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Yeah I know, it wasn’t in response to anything in your article. Probably shouldn’t have started discussing that topic, my bad.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jul 6, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
lapse of judgment is drinking too many beers and yacking on your friends couch or punching someone who pissed you off. not continuously committing the same criminal enterprise for years and being the financial backer.
predicated by a culture he was born in…
what culture is it that says people should break the law?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
By reading your reply, I would believe that you have never traveled outside of the US, and have never been in a place where our belifs are not theirs.
If you grew up in a coulture that said it was ok to kill dogs and that they have no value, then you would think differently that someone who had dogs as pets growing up.
by ericalancanty on Jul 6, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
where did vick grow up?
the cultures that accept dog fighting usually have it as something that is legal to do. just as other things that are illegal here and legal and culturally accepted in other countries. when something is culturally accepted it usually becomes legal. marijuana is a good example, California is becoming vastly accepting of people smoking marijuana but the united states as a whole is not. That is why California is one of the first ones to legalize marijuana and now small amounts marijuana possession is only an infraction.
so my statement is still valid
what culture is it that says people should break the law?
and countries that eat dogs and cats still have cats and dogs as pets.
By reading your reply, I would believe assume that you have never traveled outside of the US, and have never been in a place where our beliefs are not theirs.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
My point is...
when you grow up and your family tells you it is ok, but the law says different, you still justify it and say it is ok. The laws against dog fighting are just, but to some poeple, it is not. There are those that think laws against weed is not justified, so they break the law.
by ericalancanty on Jul 6, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
so laws you do not agree with are ok to be broken and here in the United States you think this philosphy is culturally acceptable.
and you are ok with this?
About eight young dogs were put to death after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007.
They were killed “by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground,” according to the indictment.
how many people tell their kids it is ok to run illegal gambling business. and this is not a poker game in the basement.
Purses for the fights ranged from hundreds of dollars to the thousands, and participants and spectators placed side bets, the document said.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/story/2007/07/17/nfl-falcons-vick.html
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do poeple have to be the almighty grammer police?
I don’t have time to hit spell chech on everything I write….It’s a comment, not a story in SI, or ESPN. And wether I use believe or you use assume, it still paints the picture of what I’m trying to say.
And regardless of how great your grammer is, it still makes me assume that you have lived a narrow minded and sheltered life.
by ericalancanty on Jul 6, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
what are you talking about?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I rewrote your statement because assume is a better fitted for that statement and your own comments support yourself being what you wrote. there is also a saying that goes with assume.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
the same culture that advocates marijuanna use...that advocates breaking the law to get ahead when you're born into poverty
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
this statement is wrong in so many ways.
the same culture that advocates marijuanna use…that advocates breaking the law to get ahead when you’re born into poverty
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok...i didnt wanna do this
but as a young black male growing up in an urban environment where popular culture and tv advocate drug use, drug sales, alcohol consumption, violence, and material worship it is very understandable that Vick partook in this activity. Drugs/alcohol and violence are all worse offenses. With role models as a child that fought dogs, how can u not understand how this came to be. This is by no means an excuse as he is an adult but obviously that alone doesn’t deter half the criminals in this country. Obviously, you have been lucky to grow up differently which allows you the luxury of sticking up your nose and judging/condemning a person for life.
Dog fighting is pretty low on the list of offenses you’ll see in a prison yard.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Drug use is not worse than dog-fighting or dog-killing.
I do agree that the situation that you are raised in does greatly influence your nature and your actions.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
so destroying yourself and potentially harming others and all that comes with drug use is less destructive then dog fighting/killing
get rid of drug use: better world
get rid of dog killing/fighting: more dogs
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Drug use mostly affects the user.
It is a personal choice and it should be left up to adults to decide what they put in their own bodies. Harm to others, while unfortunate, is indirect and unintended. The intended result of Dog-fighting/Dog-killing is causing pain and suffering to another living being. There is no justification for such wanton cruelty.
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Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
Get rid of dog killing: better morals in the belief in not harming innocent creatures. What Vick did was wrong plain and simple. He has admitted he has done wrong, served his time, payed his debts, removed himself from negative environments (his own brother), and has worked hard. Do not erase his mistake and excuse it. Vick hasn’t and it has made him a better man. I root for this guy to be better than Steve Young.
by mcwagner on Jul 6, 2011 9:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
he who has no sin cast the first stone
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
culture and tv advocate drug use, drug sales, alcohol consumption, violence, and material worship it is very understandable that Vick partook in this activity
but no where does it popularize running a gambling enterprise, smashing dogs to death on the cement, running a large dog fighting enterprise.
and this is all irrelevant to the fact that vick should not be mentioned in the same light as Steve Young. Vick is very far from being able to mentioned with great quarterback who make it to the hall of fame. yes he may end up being there so can alex smith, shuan hill, colin kaepernick. that does not mean that someone who may be should be compared to a hall of famer.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
people gamble everywhere...u serious?
Im sure Vick wasn’t the first one to practice those techniques. YES they are wrong but not enough to villify the guy for life. If so, villify the countless US and global companies that you support that kill thousands more animals in the same inhumane manner every day.
All Morty said is that he could possibly be better then Steve…Im sure Marty knows a bit more than you about Steve, Vick, and QB for that matter.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
What Vick did wasn't a lapse in judgement.
It was a protracted, premeditated act of extreme violence, abuse, and torture to living things that went on a few years. Not exactly the definition of a “lapse.”
Dog or not, no person is sane if they’re actively participating in the drowning, electrocuting, strangulation, and just plain tortorous death of a living thing and enjoying doing it.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Jul 6, 2011 7:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
lol … why is THIS the comment on this article? Where did I mention VIck killing dogs once? Where did I mention his jail time?
Oh wait, I never did.
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Shouldn't it just be assumed James...
that anyone who doesn’t like Vick’s chances at having a better career then Steve is because they’re dog-lovers or racists. Not because he’s an injury risk, is over 30 years old, and has never, ever been considered a good passer until 2010.
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And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Jul 6, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve Young didn't take over for Montana until he was 30.
Vick is 30….so the age issue doesn’t apply, but the other 323 other issues that you pointed out do.
by ericalancanty on Jul 6, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
it does very much apply when you look at how vick plays and look at how many games he played last year.
12 games. 4 missed because he was injured.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
In this day and age it certainly does.
The old and well worn statement that players are always getting bigger, stronger, and faster certainly applies. We aren’t going to see another Emmitt Smith at RB. No more Brett Favres more then likely as well. And with Vick’s style of play the odds are heavily stacked against him that he’ll ever have a complete 16 game regular season the rest of his career.
And Steve had more then a few games under his belt by the time Montana was pushed off the team. He had 2 seasons in the USFL, 19 games with Tampa, had 26 starts in a total of 62 appearances with the 49ers when Montana was still on the team. He wasn’t exactly wet behind the ears in relation to NFL action when he finally became the full time starter and QBOTF.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 6, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
not liking his chances is one thing...saying it will never happen is ridiculous
you ever heard of the saying: never and always are for god and god only?
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I've never heard that saying.
It’s incorrect anyway, as the words “never” and “always” are for mathematicians, in addition to anyone or anything else that they may be for.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
says the time traveler
while your in the future confirming Vick’s failure to make the hall or be “better” then Steve…let me know what tomorrow’s numbers are.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You must have meant to reply to someone else.
I haven’t said anything about whether or not Vick will ever have a legitimate argument for being better than Young. I personally don’t think he will, but I haven’t said that it can never happen. My comment was merely made to refute the saying that you had posted.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
i did..my bad
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're confused.
Immoral and illegal are two different things. Euthanizing somebody who is suffering from an extremely slow and excruciatingly death is not necessarily an immoral thing to do, but it’s most certainly murder, and therefore illegal.
In regards to Vick, the morality of or cultural attitude towards dog fighting is irrelevant; it is, however, illegal, which is exactly why he was convicted and sentenced to prison. In legal terms, ignorance does not equate innocence.
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Revenge is ice cream.
the dogs would have been lucky to have been euthanize
They were killed "by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground,"
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's stop this discussion regarding Vick's transgressions off of the football field.
I’m no mod, but I’m going to start handing out warnings. It’s 100% off topic and not pertinent to this discussion.
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ok...i quit lol
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 6, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You are so a mod
You gave me all of my warnings. I swear you are out to get me.
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My wife is from the Philippines...they have cock fighting over there...in fact....
It is not just legal, but also the National Pastime. Here in the US, it is illegal and morally unexceptable in our society. So I don’t care about the dog issue.
The Issue, is that this bonehead said that Mike Vick could someday become better than Steve Young…..as he said, he “THINKS” that he could be better. Me thinks that he is not even close.
If you want to compare Vick to anyone and who he may become, it should be this guy…..
http://www.nfl.com/player/randallcunningham/2500255/profile
There's a time in one's life where decision are to be made regardless of one's up bringing ...
… it’s called human nature which incompassess one’s Values, morals and ethics ( Values ) beliefs of a person or social group in which they have an emotional investment ( Morals ) motivation based on ideas of right and wrong ( Ethics ) the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group…two big difference’s between animals and humans are … oppossing thumbs and the power of reason , some use them and some act like animals …!!
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In regards to durability...
Vick never took those devastating rookie year hits that most QBs endured…he spent 2 years “resting” his body while in prison. There is no reason to think that he cant play anywhere between 6 to 10 more years. There are plenty of QBs that played till they were 40. If Vick improved his skills in the pocket in 1 1/2 years, there’s no reason to think that he wont continue to improve. Making the decision to slide is a very simple one. Barring one hit, the guy wins the MVP last year.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
he played 12 games last year.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah...last year...im sure he's gonna have plenty more years.
What player plays every game of every year of the career…Steve missed a bunch too
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
yes, but he also played many complete seasons.
injuries end players careers and not being able to play many games in a season is a sign that injuries are catching up to him.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 6, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
he broke a rib (hardly a debilitating injury)
you’re still talking about one year
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
its the way he plays
he is gonna get hurt again
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Just one thing I have to chime in with
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 6, 2011 11:14 PM PDT reply actions
they used to say that about Steve and Randall Cunningham
I’m sure u remember how many big hits Steve took and he was nowhere near the size of Vick. Injuries are a part of the game…Vick has not missed considerate time throughout his career. Especially since he doesn’t run as much as he used to. Out of 8 seasons he only missed more than 1 game 3 times not to mention 5 pro bowls. Just about the same as Roethlisber
Steve Young only played 3 complete seasons out of 15
Every NFL player is gonna get hurt again.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
Do You Expect Vick
To throw for more than 24,000 yards and 181 TDs from this point forward? What about 5 more Pro Bowl Performances? Or, a 65.5 Completion Percentage?
Because this is exactly what Young did after he turned Vick’s age
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 6, 2011 11:41 PM PDT reply actions
Vick will never be Young
as a player nor as a person. People need to quit this BS that he has the potential to be better. The correct statement would be that he had the potential to be a better player. Last season was Vick’s best season. He would have to replicate that season 7 more times to pass Young in TD’s, 7 more times to pass him in passing yards! Then when you look at the human side of things Vick will never touch Young. I’m getting so tired of hearing how he grew up in that culture. I grew up in the south and know kids that have been around dog fights, but guess what they grew up and realized it was wrong and never did it themselves! There’s a lot of people that grow up around people that are bad influences but are smart enough not to do them. Vick threw away 4 years of his career(I count the season he came back but didn’t play much as a lost year) that will keep him from ever touching Steve Young as a person and in the record books, and as far as I’m concerned he threw away the right to be in the same sentence as Steve Young.
And don’t bother replying with the he served his time BS"get over it". I understand he served his time and I hope he lives a better life now, but Vick will never be Steve Young.
there are players w/ better stats then Young...does that make them better then him?
my point is that you cannot say he’ll NEVER be better then him. Yes, Steve Young is the better QB right now.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 7, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
obviously not everybody in the “hood” is a drug dealer or dog fighter. Some make the right decisions some dont. The probability of going down the wrong path increases as the more people you see around you going down that path.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 7, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
The pro bowls will be easy
3000 yrds a year for the next 7 years not to mention he’ll have more rushing tds then any other qb ever by far and he wont need that completion % to make the hall of fame.
BOTTOM LINE: Vick has the chance to become the most dynamic player to ever play the game. Its not all about stats. If Vick somehow wins multiple rings and makes multiple pro bowls and gets a few MVPs then what? You simply cannot say w/o bias that he’ll never be as good or better then Young. Unless ofcourse you’re able to fulyl measure and calculate someone’s potential by looking into some crystal ball.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
You think Michael Vick is going to be a starter for the next seven years?
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Vick always makes his line look bad
He takes more sacks per attempt than Alex Smith. (9.4% vs 7.3%)
Before anyone wants to bring up the Eagles line, even the unimpressive Kolb was only sacked at a rate of 7.9%.
And that has been a problem for him his entire career.
The problem is that the pass protection is designed to create a pocket. If you run around outside the pocket you have no protection.
2% is hardly enough to make an arguement
When you bring up stats, you have to take into account all the variables…what teams did Kolb/AS/Vick play against? Were any of their top pass rushers injured? Which team was behind?
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 7, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
9.4% is a good year for Vick
He’s been in the high teens before and earlier in his career he’s flirted with 20%.
And sack rate is the only metric that remains fairly constant when a QB switches teams, which is pretty good evidence that while total pressures may be the result of playing better defenses or bad line play, actually taking the sack is more on the QB.
And 2% on 500 attempts, which isn’t uncommon for a passing team, is 10 extra sacks per year.
That’s 10 extra drives, almost one whole games worth of drives, that have a greatly increased chance of ending in a punt instead of points.
That’s 10 more shots of Maalox that the OC gets to down while hoping his starting QB gets back up.
2% is huge.
Marty's on the Purple Drank
Steve Young’s career completion percentage is 64.3%.
Michael Vick has completed more than 60% of his passed only once: 2010 (62.6%).
So, Steve’s CAREER number is better than Vick’s best SEASON.
Put down the purple drank, Marty.
having the highest completion % does not make you the best QB
if that was the case Steve young would be the best quarterback of all time. Michael Vick can have a lower completion percentage and end up being a better quarterback then Steve young. IT IS POSSIBLE… Maybe not likely, but possible.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 7, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It is possible the world will end tomorrow
Doesn’t make it any less ridiculous to predict the end of the world. Like I said, purple drank.
once again, he didnt predict it...he said it was possible. There's a big difference
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 7, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
It's technically "possible"...
…that Alex Smith could be better than Steve Young. After all, you don’t know the future. But some possibilities are so improbable, it’s absurd to dignify them as such. If Michael Vick’s best season was worse than Steve Young’s career averages, it’s ridiculous to even suggest he could be better than Young.
Again, no knock on Vick’s talent, which is great. But he isn’t remotely in the same conversation with all-time QB greats like Young.
"best season" so far...
the words improbable and never are not interchangeable. My point has been that you cannot say never. I’ll admit to the improbable part.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 8, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually they are interchangeable
According to quantum physics, there’s a tiny (but non-zero) probability that a person can walk through a wall. But we still quite reasonably say it’s “impossible” to walk through walls.
That’s an extreme example, but think about it logically. Vick would have to EXCEED his BEST season totals to date EVERY year for the rest of his career to have averages on par with Young’s.
according to quantum physics, nothing is impossible
Logically speaking, the chances of Vick becoming a better QB are monumentally higher then walking through a wall. This is getting a lil sticky…quantum physics (an exact science) in relation to the best QB (extremely subjective). if he plays at least 13 games on average, why cant he exceed this year’s numbers? Maybe the completion % might fluctuate but so what. The chances Vick might be better are well ahead of the threshold in which you would call something with a low probability impossible.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 8, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude...
…you are comparing Vick to one of the most prolific QBs ever according to the stats. Young’s statistical dominance transcends completion percentage. Here’s one analysis by Pro Football reference that ranks his career behind only Montana’s statistically:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=550
Use your head. What are the odds that a 31-year old QB improves in every statistical category, every year, while playing for another 10 years? Think about that. He can’t have even one year where he misses games or his performance suffers due to injury.
It’s a freakin’ miracle Young accomplished what he did. And it will take a freakin’ miracle for Vick to do the same, which is why most sensible folks find this suggestion laughable.
so...
if Vick wins 5 super bowls but his “stats” arent as astounding as Steve’s, then he doesn’t deserve to be compared to him? Your whole basis of being as good or better is predicated on stats. What if Vick leads more 4th quarter comebacks, what if he wins more mvp awards, what if he has more playoff wins or wins period, scores more tds? A bunch of “ifs” but they are reasonably attainable w/in 5 to 7 years. Not to mention the consideration that must be made for the amount of hall of famers surrounding steve.
Again…IT IS POSSIBLE
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 9, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Again...
…I don’t particularly care how many Super Bowls he wins, because that’s a team accomplishment. It’s relevant, but nowhere near my main criterion for greatness. I care how Mike Vick actually produces, as reflected in the stats. All a QB can do is produce in ways that contribute winning, so I don’t think it’s fair to hold it against him if the rest of the team fails to do their share.
And yes, it is POSSIBLE — in the same way it’s possible Alex Smith will be better than Steve Young. Which is to say, a possibility not worth considering seriously. For now, at least.
PS: Steve Young may well be...
…the best QB of all time. Certainly ONE of the best, no question. That’s partly why this comparison is so ridiculous. Marty didn’t just say Vick could be great and maybe make the Hall of Fame. He said Vick could be better than Young.
umm...he definitely isnt
I’m inclined to think that only winning one super bowl kinda disqualifies you from that title. Especially when your predecessor won multiple rings. Steve Young is the most ACURATE QB of all time.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 7, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
So...
What about Dan Marino? He never won a Super Bowl. Peyton Manning? He has only won one Super Bowl. Would you say that they are not on the list of ONE of the best QB’s of all time?
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by Haggardninja on Jul 7, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course they are on the list
but i can’t say with any certainty that they are atop the list when winning games and chips is still one of the most important measures of a great QB. This is a list that Vick has a realistic potential to become a part of. Yes it would take a herculean effort but I’d rather not bet against a guy like that. I’ll take a guy thats learned from a major mistake over a guy that hasn’t made any mistakes anyday.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 8, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Young couldn’t beat the Pack at Lambeau in below zero weather, as a matter of fact Favre is 32-1 in those conditions, only loss was to a Vick lead team. I dunno, but, its gotta stand for somethin.
RLOTT#42
Yeah I said it, Craptree, and it is not a typo.....
Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
The first part of your statement ought to read "The 49ers couldn't beat the Pack at Lambeau in below zero weather",
if it is to be correct.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
No it isn't. Part of the reason some players make the HOF is based on that BS QB stat which is called a win. So for those that just cannot fathom saying this about a 49er pplayer, I will say, a Young led 49er teams who's roster was better than any Vick
led team from top to bottom could not do what Vick did in Lambeau, he essentially won that game on his legs too!!!
RLOTT#42
Yeah I said it, Craptree, and it is not a typo.....
Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
The Niners teams from '95 to '97 may have been better than the Falcons team from '03,
but the the Packers were also better from ‘95 to ’97 than they were in ’03. The way you typed your statement implies that Vick had some sort of career game to single-handedly defeat the far superior Packers. In reality, the Pack were missing some key players and got beat, badly. Vick had a fairly good game, but not great. It was a total team effort, and the Falcons were just the better team that day. Also, it’s a minor point but, the bad weather in that game did not start until just before halftime, when the Falcons were already up 21-0.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.

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by James Brady on Jul 7, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
hey james, i just checked your profile...U kno Phil Davis "mr. wonderful"?
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 7, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Phil Davis, he’s my favorite LHW by far (not counting Dan Henderson, who I still consider a middleweight)
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I went to high school with him
His older brother John still is my best friend.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Jul 8, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
An accomplishment, never the less. One that Young was unable to accomplish.
RLOTT#42
Yeah I said it, Craptree, and it is not a typo.....
Kaepernick is the lone quarterback in Division I history to pass for over 10,000 career yards and also rush for 4,000 yards.
Yeah, that has a huge bearing on this discussion. Except it doesn’t at all.
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