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Pro Football Talk, 49ers Worst Moments: I Call Shenanigans

The folks over at Pro Football Talk have spent a chunk of the lockout putting together a list of the worst "moments" for each franchise since the 1987 NFL work stoppage. The 49ers got the PFT treatment today and it appears that PFT's definition of a "moment" is different than my definition of a "moment." You can view the video after the jump

You can video of Florio's comments after the jump. In the meantime, PFT listed out the bottom four moments for the 49ers and came up with the following list:

1. 1990 NFC Title Game
2. Cowboys Dominance (92-93)
3. Packers Dominance (95-97)
4. 1987 Divisional Playoff Loss

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I can buy number one and number four as potential worst moments. The 1987 divisional playoff loss came in a season in which the 49ers were the best team in the NFL and the likely favorites to win the Super Bowl. After a first round bye, the 49ers lost at home to 36-24 in a game in which Joe Montana was actually benched at one point.

The 1990 NFC Title game was a brutal game thanks to Roger Craig's fumble and Matt Bahr's game-winning field goal to send the Giants to the Super Bowl. The 49ers lost out on a chance at a three-peat that day. Definitely a worst moment.

However, the middle two don't really qualify as "moments" so much as just worst experiences overall. I'd be more inclined to include Eddie DeBartolo giving up ownership of the team and Steve Young's concussion. While Eddie D and the 49ers were facing repercussions from salary cap shenanigans, I often wonder how Eddie would have done once he really got used to the salary cap era. Maybe he would have struggled with it, but I'd imagine most 49ers would have at least liked to find out.

As for Young's concussion, it was questionable how much longer he had to play, but he was coming off a season in which he reached career highs in touchdowns (36) and yards thrown (4,170). The 49ers had finally gotten past Green Bay and had a solid replacement for Garrison Hearst in the form of Charlie Garner. Instead, Young's career was finished and the 49ers went into a two-year slide. It was great that Jeff Garcia eventually helped get the 49ers back to respectability, but it was the end of an era when Young went down.

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Yea, I'm struggling to see how points 2 & 3 qualify

As pointed out above three year stretches aren’t exactly “moments” and even if you are going to allow that kind of thing I’m not even sure it would qualify as “worst” experiences for the 49ers. While it stunk watching the same team knock the 49ers out of the play-offs every year that still seems like the type of thing I would classify as “rich guy problems.” After the struggles the 49ers have had in the last decade, having three straight winning seasons where the team falls short of the Super Bowl doesn’t seem doesn’t seem all that painful to me.

I doubt Bills fans are sitting around Buffalo thinking “boy things are tough now but at least we’re not losing in the Super Bowl ever year anymore.”

by OkayJay81 on Jul 7, 2011 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

2 and 3 are not moments

But given the teams we fielded those years, we could very well have been the team of the 90’s as well.

by Dave R. on Jul 7, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHHAA

I actually agree with you as well. But boy, “but at least we’re not losing in the Super Bowl every year anymore.” That was awesome.

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by afrikabamboodle on Jul 7, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

1990 NFC Title Game is the worst defeat in the grand scheme of things

1. Closest team in SB era to ever to three-peat and had the game won
2. Ended the Joe Montana era (not to mention a few others)
3. Craig fumble is still hard to accept

1987 Divisional Playoff to the Vikings was the most disgusting. Combination of the 49ers playing their worst game (Montana’s worst) and the Vikings playing their best. The 49ers could have and probably should have won 4 SBs between 1987-1990. At least lost to another great team in the Giants in 1990 (still don’t know why Buffalo was heavily favored in the SB).

I would say the hail marry and all the other fortuitous bounces the Falcons got over the 49ers in 1991 to keep them out of playoffs is above Green Bay in the mid 90’s. All the Green Bay losses show is how Steve Young was no Joe Montana. The 49ers lost those games on offense, I didn’t even bother to watch the ‘96 and ’97 championship games because I knew Steve and offense could not get it done. Young was better ’90-’94 but fell predictably flat in big games for the rest of his career.

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by bignerd on Jul 7, 2011 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

You'd think

“Cody Pickett, starting NFL quarterback” might be somewhere along our team’s darkest moments.

Also, what about Garrison Hearst’s ankle injury against Atlanta in the 1998 playoffs? That sucked.

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by OnDeck_Matt on Jul 7, 2011 5:12 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

Had he not gotten hurt, we probably would have won that game, and possibly another Super Bowl

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by lottwasgangsta on Jul 7, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

For what?

Stuck with a team purged of talent because of salary cap hell 2? Did a team lead by Tim Rattay, Kevin Barlow and Brandon Lloyd dramatically underachieve?

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by bignerd on Jul 7, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still a worst moment

by mcwagner on Jul 7, 2011 8:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why?

Every publication that covered the NFL predicted the 49ers would be awful that season, shouldn’t have been a surprise.

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by bignerd on Jul 7, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey now

Brandon lloyd was a beast that we should have held on to, and Rattay is the best QB we’ve had (IMO) since Steve Young. Though an argument for Shaun Hill could be made I guess.

But yeah, your general point is conceded.

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by BustaTheRippa on Jul 7, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loyd certainly wasn’t beastly at the time and the best qb we had since young was garcia

by Andrew9erfan on Jul 8, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, Lloyd WAS a beast

49er fans hated him because of a sample size of 1 play where he ducked a pass against the Jets. He always had sneaky deep speed, and an insane ability to make the spectacular catch because his body control was extremely good.

And no, Garcia was not very good, IMO. Owens carried him. Even Owens himself said he preferred Rattay, because Rattay would actually go through his progressions and not run from the pocket like a jack rabbit.

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by BustaTheRippa on Jul 8, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lloyd ducking was his most colorful way of screwing up a routine pass

He’d do it constantly. Could be counted on to drop, not play out, held up on the line or run the wrong pattern on a few simple passes a game where he was the primary target. Of course in the 4th Qtr when the 49ers were down 3 scores he’d catch 30 yard sideline pass, one handed, upside down and manage to drag enough of his body in bounds to complete the catch … still never made up for his negative plays.

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by bignerd on Jul 8, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why did Loyd suck for every other team untill last year?

because he was inconsistent. Hardly a beast. And I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on Garcia. You still have to be able to get the ball out to your recievers, even if they are great recievers. Just look at arizona last year. They have one of the best WR in the league but had horrible QBs.

by Andrew9erfan on Jul 9, 2011 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, if it were just the fans who didn’t like him, the 9ers wouldn’t have let him go. Nor would the other teams before the broncos. He just never produced before denver

by Andrew9erfan on Jul 9, 2011 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eeh it's Florio....

gotta take him with a grain of salt

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 7, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I got one!

Drafting some guy named Jim Druckenmiller, and the pick that we traded away being used to draft some guy named Ray Lewis…

Other than his habit of murdering people outside Atlanta nightclubs, I feel like the Niners would have been better off drafting arguably the best defender of his generation…

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by lottwasgangsta on Jul 7, 2011 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Might have been different if Druckenmiller was given 7 years. Maybe if the team brought in a head coach who is familiar with pulling a truck up hill using only his teeth.

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by bignerd on Jul 7, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another worst moment for me

Garrison Hearst going down really hurt. Finally beating the Packers, and then the balloon basically popped when he went down on that first play. He was becoming such a good player. It was so painful to watch the rest of that game.

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by jrobulls on Jul 7, 2011 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

An interesting one for me

Is letting Ricky Watters go bye bye in free agency. We never really settled the HB position after Watters until Hearst, and I really do think it might have cost us another championship. Derek Loville could not run the ball well at all, and our offense became one dimensional. It’s a small and subtle moment, but to this day it stings me.

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by BustaTheRippa on Jul 7, 2011 9:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Watters

They didn’t have much of a choice with Watters. The 49ers had the right to match the contract but the problem was the Eagles front-loaded it so the cap-strapped 49ers couldn’t match it without gutting a chunk of their team. Part of that was because Rice had a clause in his contract that he would be one of the top two paid players on the team (I think it was top two) and if the 49ers had matched the offer to Watters they would have had to give Rice a raise as well.

by David Fucillo on Jul 7, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

but...

Otherwise I strongly agree that losing Watters really hurt the team those next couple years. Derek Loville and Terry Kirby could both catch the ball but neither was meant to be a traditional number one running back.

by David Fucillo on Jul 7, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I agree

Although Watters wasn’t worth the money the team was terrible at running back for a number of key years before Hearst.

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by bignerd on Jul 7, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Losing Young...

Was the worst moment of the last 20 years. That Falcons’ hail mary in ‘91 makes the list too as does the injury to Hearst. I’d also mention the blown pass interference call in the Pittsburgh game in ’84. Would have loved for them to have gone 19-0. But the top worst moment of my time as a 49er fan is the 1990 NFC Championship game. Still not over that.

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by Rick Gasko on Jul 7, 2011 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Didn't see that.

Thanks for letting me know why it wasn’t on the PFT list. It may not make the PFT list but their list is terrible anyway. I’ll just stick with my own.

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by Rick Gasko on Jul 7, 2011 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Drafting Smith over Rogers….

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by rlott#42 on Jul 7, 2011 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

possibly

But I also think with these other moments there were very specific consequences. When they lose to the Giants in 1990 and the Vikings in 1987, the results were obvious (no Super Bowl that year). When Steve Young was knocked out his career was over and the team took a step backward. When Eddie D turned the team over to his sister, we know what happened there.

With Smith versus Rodgers, even though Rodgers has worked out in the long term, he went to a much better situation with the chance to sit and learn behind Favre and not get thrown in the fire. Maybe he would have been fine in SF as well, but that’s a tough prediction to make.

by David Fucillo on Jul 7, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand where you're coming from, but at the time of the draft Rogers appeared to be a better QB.

I barely watch college football, but during the wait for the pick, I wanted Rogers if a QB was to be taken. I totally agree with the situation, but I don’t see Rogers being as bad as Smith, because A, he has a better and more accurate arm, and B, He looked more poised in college. The eyes never lie chico, just like T Montana said….lol

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by rlott#42 on Jul 7, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Rodgers had the better pedigree and coming out of a less gimmicky offense also worked in his favor. I just think the situation coming in was poison for just about anybody.

by David Fucillo on Jul 7, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

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