NFL Free Agency 2011: Olin Kreutz Or Adam Snyder For Center?
by David Fucillo on Aug 1, 2011 7:30 AM PDT
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PrintReminder, site decorum is back on and barring further developments, will remain on until the first preseason game. One of the names the 49ers have been linked to since the middle of last week is center Olin Kreutz. The now former member of the Chicago Bears has been trying to figure out whether he wants to retire now that the Bears are moving past him. The 49ers reportedly sent him a contract proposal, but now maybe things weren't nearly as advanced as we thought.
The question now is whether the 49ers have a perfectly acceptable solution in the form of Adam Snyder. His NFL center career spans the last four days of training camp so we can't really make a whole lot of conclusions. There have been reports of exchange problems between Snyder and QB Colin Kaepernick. In that regard, it's worth noting Baas had similar issues early on in training camp. Additionally, Kaepernick himself is adjusting to taking snaps under center as opposed to the shotgun style of the Pistol offense.
None of this is to say Adam Snyder is a guarantee to become a serviceable center. Rather, I think it is worth giving Mike Solari and Tim Drevno the benefit of the doubt as to how they might develop Snyder as a center. Or at least giving Solari the benefit of the doubt following his work with David Baas last year. It's easy to forget that Baas had struggled to full develop as a guard and was forced into center duties after Eric Heitmann went down. Will lightning strike twice?
Coach Jim Harbaugh spoke to the media after practice yesterday and did have some comments about Snyder:
On whether he is encouraged by G/C Adam Snyder working with the first unit on the field:
"Yes, on a couple different levels; athletically, snapping ability, quickness, leadership. Right now it's early to know who our leaders are, but he's been displaying a noticeable level of leadership in the huddle, and so far so good."
On whether it is beneficial for G Adam Snyder to have played different positions in the past:
"No question about it. The center is, in most plays and most protections, making calls and understating what every other player on the offensive line is doing."
David Baas wasn't an All Pro center during his one year at the position, but I'd say he was a serviceable replacement for Eric Heitmann. Now the 49ers might get a chance to see if Adam Snyder is a similar serviceable replacement. It would be sort of fitting if he developed into a similar option as Baas given that he faces free agency at the end of this season.
I've got to think we'll hear something from Olin Kreutz today. He indicated he would make his decision relatively soon. My prediction at this point is that he retires. I'm not inside his head by any means, but given the fact that he's pondering makes me wonder if he has it in him to keep going. Once doubt creeps in, one has to wonder if the game is still worth it. We'll find out soon enough.
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Its gotta be Snyder
I don’t see Olin Kruetz getting too comfy with the idea of spending his last couple of seasons on a team that is clearly starting from the ground floor.
Shaun O'Hara is still available
it would be interesting if the Niners and Giants swap Centers.
what's the deal with him?
The Giants were willing to let him go and gave a phat contract to Baas, who has only one season under his belt and, while serviceable, struggled at times. Does the league know something about O’Hara that we are not aware of?
Heck why not?
We already swapped OLBs with the Chargers. I am sure we aren’t getting short-shrifted at all.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
If Snyder
Can get the job done, we should roll with him That saves us cap space. I see Kruetz as a one year fix due to his age.
FO can save that money to go after other position needs like corner and OLB.
Niners & USC Trojans FANATIC!
Olin has at least 2-3 years left in the tank
Think Mawae, Birk, Wiegmann, etc.
My only beef with Kreutz is that he’s a goofy lookin’ dude, he looks like his left eye will be on the RILB and his right eye will be on the LILB
"The past is the past. The only time I look into the rear view is for the cops and I don't speed." -Shawn Andrews
by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
What are we saving cap space to do?
Overpay for mediocrity?
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
We're waiting for Diva Crabtree to demand top5 WR money
Or he’s gonna throw another hissy fit
"The past is the past. The only time I look into the rear view is for the cops and I don't speed." -Shawn Andrews
by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Why are we waiting for something that's happening right now.
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
by manraj7 on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Disagree...Snyder's value is in the fact he can play anywhere on the line should someone go down.
What if Rachal is horrible again? What if Staley or Davis go down? That’s where it’s good to have Snyder. Or if they need a breather or something.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really
We have the newly resigned Wragge and two other rookie guards, as well as Boone as our swing tackle. We need depth for sure, but doubtful we need to spend big money on OL starters, especially now it is clear we aren’t planning to win games. Olin would be fine because of his leadership, but is he really a need compared to CB, S, NT, QB, WR, FB?
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Osi???
The Giants have given Osi Umenyiora’s agent permission to talk with other teams about a trade. They most likely want a 1st rounder for him…What does Niner Nation think?
I agree
We have to get stronger through our drafts…Hopefully players like Mays and Bowman can prove themselves this year. Gotta trust what Harbaugh and Balkke are doing, cant really judge the draft until we have some Games Played under our belt
by pwillisbeast52 on Aug 1, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Out of pure morbid curisioty I'd like to see him to go Detroit
I’d like to share an anecdote: One day, the first mate of a pirate vessel asked the brave captain, “Captain, why do you always wear your red shirt when we enter battle?” The captain replied, “Argh matey, it’s so the men won’t see me bleed if I am wounded.” Time passed, and one day the vessel was surrounded by Her Majesty’s Royal Navy. The captain yelled out to the first mate, “Lad, go get me my brown pantaloons.”
Adding Osi to Detroit’s D-line would cause 13 regular season teams to order brown uniform pants for their offensive linemen.
"The past is the past. The only time I look into the rear view is for the cops and I don't speed." -Shawn Andrews
by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Fairley just hurt his knee
http://m.detnews.com/topstories/article?a=2011108010390&f=1207
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by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
wow there is going to be alot of that going on this pre-season
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
we already have a nearly identical type of player
in Aldon Smith. Similar type of player in terms of physical skills and position skills (primarily limited to Rush End) but not experience and accomplishments.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
gotta spend the money on something
‘cant have enough pass rush’
but not worth a 1st rounder. i think it could be really good for our defense, make up for some other shortcomings
How good Snyder might be is not the whole problem
The Niners not transforming their team via free agency, and not holding on the Spikes and Bass, are much bigger issues than whether Snyder get be mediocre to adaquate at center. I cannot believe how badly the Niners have been out-manuevered in free agency. It’s really pitiful.
Plus, what if Snyder gets injured? Who plays center then? Wragge or an undrafted rookie? Maybe that will work out too and we’ll all be stunned. But the point is they are leaving too much to chance because their free agency strategy has failed miserably. They are not re-tooling like great teams and great FOs do (and like the Niners used to do before they became a joke in this league).
Now they are left with Alex Smith AGAIN! For $5M !!!!!! Pretty damn good for an average second string QB. And now they have no center, no top-flight CB, a terrible FB, questions at saftey, RG, I mean when does it end? When do they start signing solid players at these positions?
Meanwhile, the Eagles, New Orleans, they know how to fill holes. How are they staying under the cap? Smoke and mirrors and great FO personnel. That’s how.
I am so frustrated with this front office. They have really blown it.
by Since79 on Aug 1, 2011 8:03 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And it'll only get better for them
With the new rookie pay scale
"The past is the past. The only time I look into the rear view is for the cops and I don't speed." -Shawn Andrews
by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, in three years maybe
Just in time for us to lose Gore (assuming an extension this year), Justin Smith, and Crabtree.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Every year I have hope but at some point
reality sets in and I realize as long as the Yorks own the team , we will never add to our Lombardi collection. Jed is not His uncle….
There are hints at moments in time he knows what it takes
but this Baalke decision may be one he can’t recover from.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
True to the core
Saw this coming when Scot McCloughan Jr(Baalke). was hired, The Yorks hired promoted him cause he makes Jed’s hot chocolate just right. So pissed also all the descent FA’s are going off the market, and they sign more practice squad linebackers WTF!!!
by yearofthearmadillo on Aug 1, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
The 49ers lost out on Baas and Spikes because the Giants and Chargers overpaid for them.
The 49ers have not signed a top FA because of their recent history of losing and their current stadium. Also add to the fact that Baas, Spikes, Nnamdi and others signed big deals with teams that very likely are going to be in the playoffs.
This was not a problem with our FO it is a problem with where we are. We have to allow Harbaugh and Baalke to build through the draft and for Harbaugh and his coaching staff to develop the team into a playoff team.
Harbaugh does not see Alex Smith as a 2nd string QB.. And since he knows a lot more about football then either of us.. I will leave that to his evaluation.
Something else to think about.. that I have not seen is that there are approx 90 players on each team for the next few weeks, but then they will have to go down to 53. At that point there will be some good players being let go and the 49ers could very well pick them up for the positions they feel the need to upgrade.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Aug 1, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
A voice of reason
I like the Niners picking up Thaddeius Gibson after the Steeler’s were unwillingly forced to cut him.
Fans appear to believe that FAs with a huge bank balances like Asomugha will come to SF just for a million bucks per year more than the Jets offered him. He wants to win a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years more than he wants $3 million more.
The 49ers FO is attempting to transform their team through doing things correctly, rather than through FA.
Spikes was great for us, but he got a three year contract from the Chargers that we were right not to match or better. Same deal with Baas, he stepped in and did well last season, than received a bigger deal then he’s worth from the Giants.
I wouldn’t worry too much about “what-if Snyder gets injured?” We could spend all day crying about “what-if Willis goes down?” or “what-if Justin Smith gets hurt?”, but we don’t because it’s pointless to worry about something so random and uncontrollable. If Snyder can’t play then the next guy has to step up. No worries.
Alex Smith is good enough to start in this league. If he struggles too much than Kaepernick can step in. Snyder will be our Center, and will be good enough. We don’t need a top-flight CB, we need to coach-up the young guys that we have and develop a pass-rush to help them out. I agree that Norris is terrible, but Miller or Byham can and should take over when they are feeling better. We do have questions at Safety, but I’m not overly concerned as I believe that Ed Donatell will get at least decent play out of them. It would appear that Rachal will be playing RG.
This off-season is actually going fairly well, aside from the injuries, the likely loss of Lawson, and the missed practices due to the lockout. I like the way the Front Office is doing things this off-season, they are really trying to build our team the right way.
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
Glad to see our wait and see Zen approach
is paying off big…..Our #1 need at CB is looking real good….
Yeah, it's like Baalke it the runt of the litter. He waits for all the alpha dogs to eat first while he patiently waits his turn for whatever scraps are left.
Although…Carlos Rogers is not bad by any means. But considering the other guys out there…mainly Jonathon Joseph…I consider that a missed opportunity. Also, I hardly consider Houston as a team that’s going to contend. They’re good sure but they have too much competition. I think Joseph would’ve gone to SF and I would’ve been ecstatic if we gave him a million or so more per year. Missed opportunity for sure.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
That's kind of how I thought of it too
If we pick up Rogers, we basically replace Nate Clements. We still need a center, a bit more O line depth, and we need to bring in some cheap veterans who might still have something left in the tank.
Our team’s approach to free agency thus far does not inspire confidence; hoping to be proved wrong
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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 1, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You're being very un-duuude
"The past is the past. The only time I look into the rear view is for the cops and I don't speed." -Shawn Andrews
by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Spencer Isand all day or Brown Island
Take your pick every opposing WR is gonna have career games against our swiss cheese secondary a la the Panthers receiver who cant even remember his name that won the game for them.
by yearofthearmadillo on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Brown Island
Sounds like toilet humor
"The past is the past. The only time I look into the rear view is for the cops and I don't speed." -Shawn Andrews
by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brent Grimes...
Is an RFA with a 1st round designation. Most of you are more than likely against giving up a 1st rounder to sign Grimes but Grimes’ talent is right there with Joseph and potential to reach Nnamdi levels. If we sign him, Carlos Rogers, bring back AF and Goldson…we are not going to be a top 5 or 10 in next years draft.
Any thoughts?
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 AM PDT reply actions
If we were a team not vying for the #1 overall 2012 pick
yeah, I would say yeah, it is worth trading a 20+ overall for Grimes. The reality is we are going to stink it up badly unless we make about 5 more moves after CB.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
But i'm thinking that if we get Grimes, Rogers, Goldson, and Franklin...we "shouldnt" be vying for a top draft pick in 2012.
In fact I think that makes our defense really good.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
$20M in free cap
If $8M goes to Grimes, that leaves $12M for Rogers, Goldson, and Franklin. Maybe doable if we don’t resign Goldson…
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Or if we don't re-sign Franklin. I put Goldson higher on the priority list right now.
Not a big fan of Franklin. Something about guys who produce in contract years only kinda underwhelm me.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
As opposed to guys who flame out during contract years?
I don’t know, I guess I just see as us laughably having less fall off at safety than we do at NT.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, true he didn't do well but everyone across the board had a down year.
But at least Goldson is in his prime. AF is 30. Plus we don’t have any experienced safeties. On our DL, we have a lot of experience.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
NT play well into their mid-30s especially those with not a lot of wear on their tires
Plus Goldson was an inexperienced safety the year he suddenly got semi-decent. And I disagree that the backups on our DL have a lot of experience. If Soap was the swing player, then I would happily agree. One thing is for sure, we need to be stuffing the run and getting QB pressure since there is little hope our CBs will be able to cover for long. Not sure safety over NT would be worth it.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
We can go:
$8m/year for Grimes
$8m/year for Goldson
$4m/year for Rogers
…i think that will do it. And I would walk away from this whole “patience” thing pretty happy. By the way, this whole patience theme with the Niners is mroe frustrating the the Giants’ “Torture”.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
IDK...just throwing out an example or scenario on how it can work. More of an arbitrary figure.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think cap room is really much of an issue at this point
unless Franklin resigns with us we have plenty of room now that the big names are gone
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
The cap room issue was just in response to someone else's comment saying we couldn't sign all of my suggestions within our available cap space.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm actually fine with our current WRs.
Mainly because Vernon and Delanie will be used in a lot of 2 TE formations. Both are great receivers and are arguably just as fast as other WRs. I like Morgan and that rookie we got from USC. Crabtree obviously is good but he kinda pisses me off every offseason.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you working for Arizona or something
"The past is the past. The only time I look into the rear view is for the cops and I don't speed." -Shawn Andrews
by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok, wow
First, Grimes is RFA
Second, if Goldson had been offered 8m/yr by any team, he’d have signed already
Third, Rodgers is going to cost more than 4m
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Read the original post regarding Grimes. I'm just throwing out arbitrary numbers that can work within the Niners cap space.
Of course we can take a couple off of Goldson’s and put it onto Rogers’ contract.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
They didn't wait patiently in free agency in order to blow 20m
on those 3 players.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
So if we signed all 4 of those players...you wouldn't walk away from this satisfied?
Grimes, ROgers, Goldson, and Franklin.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Grimes isn't available
And whether I’m satisfied or not isn’t the point. The 49ers will not be doing that. They’re looking for bargains and short term contracts, and Grimes isn’t available.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
He's an RFA. He's available but it's going to come at a cost.
My whole original post was about whether it’s worth it because he’s such a great talent.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
What are you talking about?
My original post was all about Grimes and his potential. ANd the last FA tracker I looked at still shows him as an RFA. I, like many people here, are trying to make sense of this patience thing and are throwing out ideas.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the real issue is
we would have to give Atlanta a first round pick to sign Grimes, given his RFA status.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Put the paint chips down dude 8 mil for goldson
by yearofthearmadillo on Aug 1, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Read prior posts bro. Just throwing out arbitrary numbers to show someone I was responding to how it would work under the cap.
Not sure what Goldson is looking for so I jsut made it equal to Grimes. It’s just an example. Why don’t you try reading prior posts and comments before saying something?
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
And at this point in Grimes' career, he's looking for a big payday.
Considering he’s not getting much from ATL, we can offer him $8m/year and he’d probably be thrilled. And after this year, that type of contract for his talent may be a bargain.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
49ers going after Rodgers
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/18749/49ers-also-interested-in-Carlos-Rogers/Default.aspx
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Wondering what kind of interest , are they interested where he might land or do they want to help bring up the price for other teams ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
I guess we'll find out
but wouldn’t it be great if by days end
1) re re-sign Franklin
2) we sign Rodgers
3) we sign Floyd
ahhh… that would be awesome
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
could you move over?
I want on the Malcolm Floyd bandwagon too
by mcwagner on Aug 1, 2011 8:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Count me in
But only because of his ’fro in college
"The past is the past. The only time I look into the rear view is for the cops and I don't speed." -Shawn Andrews
by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Malcolm Floyd cut from the same cloth as a lot of WR free agent signings?
Some minor potential from a 3rd WR that will quickly flame out when forced to by a #1 or #2 with Alex Smith throwing their way? Hardly a thrilling addition.
Bryant Johnson
Antonio Bryant
Ted Ginn, Jr
I feel like I am missing a few more.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith will not be throwing
Kaepernick will. I’m not looking for a solution to WR, just a complement player that can succeed with good core WR corps. The trend now is to have multiple targets that are good instead of a #1 superstar
you think Alex will remain with the team for years to come?
I don’t think he will start halfway through the season
The Eagles' backup makes more than him
We have cap space, use it to secure him. Why did we give him a one year deal?
um no
its because you can’t have 1/2 year contracts for when Kaepernick comes up to take his lumps when we are 2-6
you think they want to rush Kaep in this year?
there’s no point. Its not like Smith is going to have a complete meltdown. WIth all he’s been through he’s going to be at least consistently mediocre.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
good point
I just have a feeling that he will learn very quickly and Harbaugh will be too excited to not play with his new toy
1 year contract
I tend to agree unless he has a MVP year. I doubt he will be back as a starter next year. There is no urgency in FA show me they ain’t building a team for him.
seriously when will people stop phrasing this way
inquiring about someone does not mean they’re going after them, just asking to see what the price is.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Olin heres the deal bro , you either play for the Niners or retire , ( Olin ) taking my talents to South Beach retirement community ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
by Edggy on Aug 1, 2011 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Sign Rogers to a one year deal
2 years max
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs in 2012, hopefully! :)
ARE, EFF, AY
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by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Rogers is unrestricted
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by manraj7 on Aug 1, 2011 8:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoops
Made a blunder
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by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Give Snyder a chance...
I think he can do it…and do it well.
agreed
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Get Kreutz now
There are already reports of numerous mishandled snaps in practice. I’m sure some of that is CK’s fault, too, but Center is too important a position to hope Snyder grows into the role.
snaps
If you were fine with Baas at center last year, he also had a lot of mishandled snaps early on. Throw in Kaepernick switching from shotgun/pistol to under the center and it’s understandable early on.
If you were not fine with Baas at center, that’s a whole other issue.
by David Fucillo on Aug 1, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Assumptions
You can’t just assume that because Baas grew into the role Snyder will, too. I was okay with Baas because we didn’t have any alternatives and he showed he could play the position. It strikes me as unwise to make that gamble twice in as many years.
It reminds me of Sabean’s signing guys like Tejada and now Cabrera hoping to catch lightning the way he did with Ross, Burrell, etc. last year.
assumptions
I’m not assuming Snyder will grow into the role. I’m simply saying that the mishandled snaps at this point is not reason enough to have a problem with this. If you think there are other underlying issues with Snyder that’s fine, but just taking issue with mishandled snaps four days into camp is not enough in my estimation.
by David Fucillo on Aug 1, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Moss?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
by goatfather on Aug 1, 2011 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yup , there's Moss all over Baalke''s phone , from lack of use ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
by Edggy on Aug 1, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
As they say "A rolling stone gathers no Moss"
Or a resting stone is covered in it
by WetNoodle on Aug 1, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seems to be waiting
Not sure how much he has left either but he always seems to do best when everyone counts him out. He’s definitely worth a shot though if his price is reasonable. I’d prefer Floyd over him though, younger with a similar frame.
by Method24 on Aug 1, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They don't appear interesed in Olin
Rebuilding year
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions
doesn't make sense
he’s perfect for rebuilding. Smart leader that can develop cohesion on the line while Beeler gets a chance to learn from someone that he resembles.
rebuilding means you do not bring in or rely on aging vets
49ers tried that in 05/06 with the o-line, just resulted in injuries and turnover
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
with no depth or plan of succession behind them. I’m stuck on having veteran leadership guide players and allow them to learn and compete.
they're there. the fans just don't know their names yet.
12 picks this year. Probably 11 picks next year.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
This just occurred to me
Baalke preaching patience is a euphemism for tanking and drafting Andrew Luck in next years draft. Makes perfect sense – its why we haven’t addressed the secondary issues either through the draft or FA.
"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"
Pipe down
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by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 1, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
For everyone saying we're tankking for Luck next year...
I highly doubt that Harbaugh wanted Kaep then. I think he sees a lot of potential in Kaep and can develop him into a monster QB. Great arm strength, athletic, and he has underrated accuracy. big-time competitor too. If Harbaugh were to draft Luck next year, his credibility as a QB-Whisperer goes downhill. I think Harbaugh views this as a pride thing…watch him develop Kaep into the best QB in this draft and maybe one of the better QBs in the league. He’s that type of guy who wants to show off that kind of thing.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 9:05 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah. Personally, IMO, I think Harbaugh views Kaep with the potential to be a special QB.
Not many QBs are have great athleticism, smarts, size, and arm strength. I think Harbaugh can turn him into a beast…like the ultimate QB! LOL…call it wishful thinking but all of the attributes you would want in an ultimate QB is there with Kaep.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
tanking for Luck is some the stupidest stuff I've heard
I can’t believe that anyone over the age of 12 would could post that stuff seriously. you’re a PROFESSIONAL football team. you don’t tank for any player. you play to win, that’s how players and coaches have been doing it since pee wee league football.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Players and coaches play to win
But that’s where it stops as you go further up the chain of command.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
no one actually thinks the 49ers or any team would ever tank a whole season
That being said, the 49ers would not pass on Luck. He’s a franchise level QB right out of the draft. There have only been 2 in the last 18 years. Manning and Bledsoe.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Ryan? Joe Flacco? Big Ben Hamburger?
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
those guys weren't thought to be sure fire Franchise QBs
coming out of College. Flacco and Big Ben were mid to lower round 1st round picks and weren’t even slated to start in their first season at first.
Ryan went #3 because he was the best QB available that year. But no one was saying at the time that he was a lock as a franchise QB.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
are you serious?
Ryan went 3rd, Flacco, what in the teens, twenties? Roethlisberger 11th.
Bledsoe and Manning were a whole ’nother level of franchise QB readiness. Luck is on that level.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Drew Bledsoe….
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, Bledsoe was an amazing prospect and immediately came into the league and
played at a pro bowl level.
Were you old enough to follow it at the time? He was a tier apart as far as prospects go.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
some here don't understand the discussion
the question is about the EXPECTATION of a franchise QB. Not if they really become a Franchise QB.
Bledsoe was an awesome prospect. VERY PRO READY. The Patriots plugged him in early and he was pretty much ready to go. He was early on a pro bowl passer. Early on in his career Bledsoe was considered a franchise QB. Now in reality we know that he was an above average QB with great pure passer skills. But he was a statue in the pocket. And when you’re a statue in the pocket you have to be able to read, react to pressure and blitzes with a quick release and understanding of where to put the ball instantly. Bledsoe just didn’t have that instant computation and reaction for when the QB is under pressure. Bledsoe was very much the “robo-QB”. But even a limited Bledsoe was still a good QB just not an elite franchise QB. But he was EXPECTED to be a Franchise QB when he was drafted.
Alex Smith sort of has the same issue. He doesn’t have the instincts or reaction to things when they break down. He needs to be able to see things and anticipate things (which is one of the reasons he likes the shotgun) and when things break down he doesn’t just make a play (knowing where his receivers are when reacting to pressure). But I’ve felt that Smith’s potential was similar to Bledsoe’s (who had the same type of “robo-qb” type of mentality. Smith doesn’t have Bledsoe’s arm but I think he could be as effective if in the right situation.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
yup
Bledsoe got figured out later in his career. He was in a Superbowl and one of the main reasons they got there (the second time not so much). If no one figured out to squeeze Bledsoe’s pocket he would be considered a lot better than he is today.
Never thought about comparing Smith to Bledsoe, but it works.
Yeah but there are also plenty of franchise QBs who weren't labeled as such coming out of the draft.
I think that if Kaep shows Harbaugh the potential to be a franchise QB, we may in fact pass on Luck. I also don’t see Harbaugh giving up on Kaep after one year. I think he drafted him with teh mindset that he can transform him into a franchise QB. It’s been done elsewhere before. Plus, I think Harbaugh is too cocky to throw in the towel on kaep and go after Luck.
Of course that’s all moot if Kaep looks like Alex Smith 2.0.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 1, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed our QB future lies with CK7........
you don’t trade up if you didn’t think the kid could be that QOTF.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
they traded up out of desperation
not that they didn’t think Kaep wasn’t a good prospect. But the Niners didn’t have much choice. They had to get some young QB talent on the roster and Kaep was available and good value for where he was picked. At that point the only option they had was an unsigned Alex Smith. They couldn’t justify trading up any higher for a QB (probably because none of the 1st rounders warranted it in their opinions. ).
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
really desperation??? C'mon i've now heard it all
Harbaugh himself worked this kid out pre-draft. Think he’s better than that to just pick a rookie for the sake of rookies. Plus they had alot of options in FA including Alex Smith. If they wanted to they could have gotten AS & another vet.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
you really didn't read my post or understand it
they had to get YOUNG talent. Kaep was the right value for the pick for them. Just because Harbaugh worked him out doesn’t mean the Niners didn’t have to get young talent in there….they obviously did. As for other Free Agent QBs. Sure they were going to look at other possibilities…they told Smith that from the beginning. But they had to get YOUNG talent.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
He took Kaepernick because he was his favorite QB of the draft that they could get
He doesn’t envision them having a shot at Luck next year and nor should he. The 49ers are in a terrible division and it would be an outright disaster if they win less than 5 games.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
i don't disagree but
show me (a link) where Kaep is Harbaugh’s “favorite”. Yes, they liked him…OBVIOUSLY. But they had not choice because Kaep was the best QB talent available left to them in the draft. They HAD TO GET A YOUNG QB IN THE DRAFT. Which is my point. They were desperate to get a QB because all they had at the time was an unsigned Alex Smith to work with (and technically David Carr I suppose)….wouldn’t that make you desperate to get a new young QB?
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
common sense
see my answer below. I’d like to hear reasoning why anyone would believe they DIDN’T have to get a young QB in the draft.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
explain to me why they HAD TO GET A YOUNG QB
since it was basically a foregone conclusion that Smith was coming back and young QBs hardly ever contribute in their first season as a pro.
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because no one believes in Smith (the Niner's Front Office Included)
that he’s the long term answer (they gave him a one year contract). He’s simply the only answer at QB they had at the time. You don’t restock your team QBs with aged veterans. No, you have at least one promising developmental prospect. So given the desolate condition of the Niner’s QB situation they HAD to get a young QB.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
How do you know this KEY information with 49ers FO?
I didn’t…..I heard them say we are keeping smith repeatedly
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
OF COURSE THEY WERE KEEPING SMITH
good lord how many times do I have to type it. THEY HAD NO CHOICE. HE WAS THE ONLY COMPETENT QB WILLING TO WORK WITH THE TEAM IN THE OFF SEASON AND ONE THAT HARBAUGH WAS WILLING TO WORK WITH.
yeah, i really have insight into the front office….good lord…ONE YEAR CONTRACT…..that’s not rocket science to figure out their confidence in Smith. Basically he’s good enough to work with for now but we’ll see about later…we’re hoping Colin develops in the mean time.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm pointing out to you that your arguement here is false
You sir are using alot of hearsay & guessing based on WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING ON!! If you had factual data is one thing but you dont.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
they're actions speak to their intentions and beliefs
I’m not going out on a limb here on my interpretations.
One Year Contract speaks for itself.
The indisputable fact is that the Niners had no other QB (that Harbaugh wanted to work with) to work with due to the Lock Out so they were stuck with Smith.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
So why do it last year with a second round pick
instead of waiting for next year with a new CBA and your choice of guys like Luck, Barkley, Jones, Weeden, or even Kellen Moore?
If 2011 is a ‘wasted’ year with one more season of Alex Smith, what does it matter if there is a QB now or for next year?
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then why did Seattle?
You don’t restock your team QBs with aged veterans.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Whitehurst and Jackson aren't aged Veterans
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
They suck all the same.
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lol true but thats not the point, lets focus point is explain teams such as Sea, Was, Minny
You don’t restock your team QBs with aged veterans
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
and how'd that work out for them last year?
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Better than the 49ers
please you have opinions just like i do. but don’t try to make your opionions, fact without some prove of what the 49ers FO is doing. Because none of us on this blog actually know whats going on unless you are actually there in the room with them
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm astounded that someone is actually arguing with me about this
while I think the Niners needing a draft prospect to work with a necessity common sense….I’m far from alone in my opinion.
There wasn’t a single beat reporter, former GM, draft analyst, tv analyst, former NFL coach analyst that thought the Niners didn’t need to draft a QB. The only question was weather the available 1st round QBs were worth it. If you poled everyone here…or go back and look at the pre-draft poles…..you’d find that getting a QB was considered a high if not highest priority. Again, the only mitigating factor was the possible availability of Patrick Peterson or if the other available 1st round QBs were worth the #6 pick.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
You do know Whitehurst & Jackson have been in the league 6yrs each
One year less than Alex Smith; and they both have starting experience
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
right, but they still are considered to have some upside
potential…at least Jackson does.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
None of this explains why they HAD TO have a young QB from the draft.
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to me this is common sense, so i'll try this one last time
if you have nothing to work with, you have to have something work with now and to mold in the future.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
and I will ask again, since you don't seem to actually want to answer
If they are going with Smith for another year, and next year’s QB class is WAY better than this year, and QBs went flying off the board way early this year, why bother trading up to get Kaepernick when there are going to be at least 3, if not 4 guys better than him next year?
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they're not mutually exclusive concepts
draft a QB and see how he does this year and if he looks promising. wasting a 2nd pick sucks but is not the end of the world. if a promising QB is available next year, I’m sure they’ll go after him too. Especially if Smith doesn’t do well and they choose not to bring him back. Then they’re left with Kaep with a little experience and will probably draft another QB and bring in another veteran.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
What's he going to do this year? Carry a clipboard?
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probably
he’ll get some valuable snaps in practice and learn the offense. if (when?) Smith sucks or if Smith is injured, he may get some valuable playing time and he’ll be ahead of any rookie that may be brought in next year.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
that's speculation.
Since, for instance, Luck, Barkley, and Jones are all probably better QBs anyway, they’ll be on even terms even though there was a year of sitting on the bench.
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true, but what's your point
relative to the original discussion?
and it’s not outlandish speculation that Kaep would have an advantage with a year’s worth of experience over a rookie QB. Even when compared to Luck or Barkley..etc.. it’s no stretch to assume that someone with Kaep’s natural skills and a year’s worth experience would be a more viable starter for teh 49ers than even a top rated rookie. that’s not to say Luck or the other guys might not turn out to be better QB’s in the long run but in 2012, I’d say Kaep gives you the most immediate advantage.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with that.
My point is that you are insisting that they HAD TO GET A YOUNG QB.
They didn’t.
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to not try for a QB prospect
this year and to sign Smith to a one year deal is to basically crap out the rest of the season. it’s basically saying we don’t believe in our veteran QB and we don’t see much for this season so we didn’t draft QB to develop. the only way the that scenario works is for those that believe in the IDIOTIC tank the season for Luck idea. The players, coaches and even the front office wouldn’t throw a season for any prospect. If you disagree with me (and the rest of football community) about the Niners needing a young QB prospect ….fine we can just disagree…but i hope you’re not one of the cult of Andrew Luck folks that talk about tanking the season to get him (or any of the other 2012 rookies)…if so I wouldn’t have wasted my time.
Everything about getting a young QB prospect this year makes sense. NOT GETTING ONE DOESN’T MAKE SENSE (other than the irrational Cult of Andrew theory). I would welcome any reason (other than the stupid Cult of Andrew idea) why the Niners wouldn’t draft a QB. Because without a young prospect they don’t have many options.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that other players can't become or be franchise QBs
that’s obviously true, I only pointed out 2 prospects and there are what, 6 franchise QBs in the league right now?
( Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers )
and another 7 who are below that, can win with them
( Manning, Vick, Ryan, Freeman, Flacco, Cutler, Schaub )
But to say that since they took Kaepernick in the 2nd round that they’re tied to him now for 3-4 years is silly. Of course they’ll take another QB if they feel he is better.
Part of it is moot, in order for them to be in position to get Luck, they’d need to be so awful that Kaepernick would be starting the back half of the season, and if he were franchise QB level, they’d win their way out of a pick high enough to get him.
If the 49ers picked 1st over-all. They’d take Luck, shake hands, and move forward with him.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree on scenerio "IF niners had 1st round pick on taking Luck"
1st- this scenerio is fluid depending on what Luck does this upcoming year. It could turn into a Matt Lienhart/Jake Locker scenerio where both qb’s were overall 1st rounders but didn’t come out & dropped in the next draft.
2nd- as 49er fans are all harping on, we have GLARING needs besides QB. Some have suggested WR,CB,OLB,DT,S now C. Oh lets not forget Frank Gore wants a new contract so add RB to the list. I’m I missing any others?
3rd- As we see that this FO has done taking the “PATIENCE” approach plus Baalke’s history of moving on up & down the draft. I wouldn’t put it past this FO to trade down out of that pick to get more picks “ala Pats & Eagles” to get more value picks for a lack of a better term.
But all in all it starts with the “fluidity” of how these prospects are ranked in the upcoming draft.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Luck is not Leinart or Locker
Completely different situations
Leinart was an ok QB on a championship team
Locker was a “raw” prospect whom people presumed would take a giant step forward his senior year.
The only comparison to Luck in draft history, was Manning going back to Tennessee for his senior year. He didn’t have the best senior season, still went #1, was still Manning.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
lol really? Leinart & Locker were consensus #1 overall picks their junior years
Same as Luck is now before they all went back to college for their respective senior years. But anyhow, I that was not the only point I made in disagreeing with you on your scenerio.
Once again it starts with the fluidity of how these prospects are ranked in the upcoming draft.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
no they weren't, you're making that assumption that many media and fans made
incorrectly, might I ad.
Neither were consensus #1 picks from scouts. Revisionist history. They admitted to such as years went by. Leinart was never going to go in the top 5. Locker was only going in the top 10 due to raw potential, he wasn’t going to go #1 though. Bradford was.
Bradford is actually also relatively close comparison to Manning and Bledsoe, the difference being that Bradford came from a wacky offense and was injured his senior year.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 1, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Overpaying in FA (patience) and Misjudging the FA Market (bungling it)
Sure, you can be patient and find undervalued players. But is bargain hunting the best way to address positions with critical needs like Center and Cornerback??? I’m all for undervalued players to bolster depth who can bring either experience or upside. But at positions where there’s a big glaring hole, then you have to be aggressive because the top players are going to go first. So at positions of immediate need, you’re going to have to pay a premium to address those needs in order to get the better players available in Free Agency early. Also, the Niners are going to have to realize that they’re going to have to overpay free agents to play here. Of course Asomogha is going to pick the Eagles over the Niners. The Eagles are playoff contenders. There’s a bad team free agent tax (or premium) that bad teams have to pay (ask the Raiders).
The Niners obviously bungled the Baas deal. Baas thought he was coming back to the Niners. The Giants made the best offer. So that means that the Niners low balled him. The Niners press release sounded as if they were surprised to lose Baas. Now they’re stuck with out an established starting center. They bungled it (misjudged the market), didn’t act fast enough or pay enough (premiums for acting fast and for being a bad team). Of course now you hear about them going after Krutz who obviously was their Plan B (because up until recently everyone was sure he’d return to the Bears) and now we hear about how well Snyder has been doing at Center in practice (PR spin? let’s hope not).
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Baas is not worth to us what he got in NY
plain and simple
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
it's all about replacement cost
is he worth Snyder starting at Center? At this point all we is hyped reports from 3 days of training camp about a Guard attempting to play center. I’m not saying those reports aren’t accurate (I don’t know). But is $5M/Y at Center worth it over a Guard that hopefully will successfully make the move to Center. Or maybe getting a 34 year old Krutz for a year or two (I could go with that but it sounds Krutz wants to either play for the Bears or retire).
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
"Ask the Raiders"
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, so were you serious about asking the Raiders how to spend money in free agency?
I'm saying the Raiders know they have to over spend
for Free Agents. I’m not saying their acquisitions were good ones. Obviously most of them aren’t (as were Washington’s). The trick of course is to sign good free agents (like Justin Smith…I’m betting we paid him a little more than he would have gotten with a winning team). The Raiders traded for Richard Seymour, then franchised him and then signed him to a 2 year deal I think….again, I’m sure they overpaid him but he has played well for them.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
And they'll keep overspending and stay in mediocrity forever.
I’m glad Baalke is taking a different approach to FA than the Raiders because it very obviously doesn’t work (with Washington as well).
overspending for the right player at a position of need
may be a necessity. If possible you should avoid it. And should try to keep the contracts short. Nmandi for 3 years at an outrageous price would not be a bad thing. Overpaying Krutz for 2 years would not kill the Niners either.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Last year
Baas did good on running plays and his own assignments but i think he didn’t make the right calls on passing downs. Big part of being a good center is calling assignments to the other linemen. Snyder’s experience at tackle could be a boost to Anthony Davis’s game. I’m looking forward to seeing how Adam does. My biggest concern is does he have to right disposition to play center.
Davis played better when Snyder played Guard
in place of Rachal for a game or two. Before this Center debacle, I was kind of hoping Snyder would replace Rachal as the regular starter at Right Guard.
by allforfunnplay on Aug 1, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh. Randy Moss is retiring.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Contemplating
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Olin Kreutz is contemplating retirement. He’s not filed any papers to retire. He’s disappointed things didn’t work out with Bears.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 1, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That Bass's nice snap over the AS head...
..could be the thing that kept 49rs out of the postseason last year.
We could have made it as far as Seahawks, and started this season with Singletary as coach, after drafting punter and kicker in the first two rounds. Or something like that.
Funny, huh..
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