The #3 QB Debate: Why A Veteran?
First of all, to Fooch/mods: I hope this is a narrow enough topic for a FanPost. It's my first time writing one. :)
With regard to the 49ers' current quarterbacks, it appears that the top two slots are set in stone (barring injury). Alex Smith WILL be the starting quarterback on opening day, with Colin Kaepernick as his backup. Currently, the 49ers are carrying two other quarterbacks in camp, both undrafted rookies: Jeremiah Masoli and McLeod Bethel-Thompson (henceforth referred to as McBLT). Neither of these two is considered a lock (or even likely) to make the final roster.
Now, the heart of the issue is whether or not the 49ers should bring in a veteran quarterback to fill the #3 position behind Colin Kaepernick. Many Niners Nation commenters (and radio personalities) have espoused the position that Josh Johnson should be brought in from Tampa Bay. It has been suggested that his familiarity with Harbaugh and his offensive system would be a boon for him were the 49ers to acquire him.
My opinion is this: why NOT keep a green rookie as the third rostered quarterback? In the unlikely circumstance that both Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick become injured and are unable to play, no veteran quarterback who was cut from a 53-man roster after the preseason is likely to be able to play at their level, or even close to their level. The players cut from the training camp rosters are usually poorly rated players - undrafted rookies and veterans alike who couldn't beat out the guy ahead of them for a spot. While there's often some gems to be had on the waiver wire, scrubs are the norm. In short, the season is (in all likelihood) lost, at that point.
In the 2010 NFC Championship game, Bears quarterback Jay Cutler and his backup were injured, so the third string quarterback had to play. Enter Caleb Hanie, a 2008 undrafted free agent from Colorado State. Several Packers players quipped that they'd never even heard of the guy before he came in and drove down the field, nearly leading the Bears to a game-winning touchdown before being intercepted inside the 20. Hanie had thrown 14 career passes prior to that game, but he still showed enough moxie to nearly bring his team back. This is what I'd like to see in San Francisco.
The 49ers should carry an undrafted rookie as the #3 quarterback. Doing so allows him a few meaningful practice repetitions (something he wouldn't get on the practice squad; see also: Nate Davis), and a chance to develop into something more than a green, undrafted, no-name scrub. If both starters are hurt, he will get starting time and can learn from that. He'll have gone through training camp with the team at least once, so he'll have a working grasp of the offense and be able to get better each year.
Basically, the way I see it is: you've got "The Guy", "The Other Guy", and "Who Is That Guy?" Maybe, with hard work and a bit of luck, "Who Is That Guy?" can become "The Other Guy" or even "The Guy". Even though the 49ers appear to be set at quarterback for the foreseeable future (Alex for now, Colin for later), if you know you're probably not going to win games, why not develop a guy who could become a great starter or gain some trade value down the road?
What's your take?
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A Veteran Quarterback is Irrelevant.
Jim Harbaugh, the very head coach, is that veteran quarterback who can mentor the quarterbacks the 49ers do have. We would need a veteran quarterback if we still had Mike Singletary or any other coach who is not necessarily offensive-minded. But when we have an offensive-minded head coach like Jim Harbaugh, who happens to also be a veteran quarterback, there is just no point in signing a veteran. I think a lot of people have overlooked that.
Keep the current quarterbacks we do have. Alex Smith as the rebounding starter, with Colin Kaepernick and Jeremiah Masoli or McLeod Bethel-Thompson as the projects.
by JHill26 on Aug 10, 2011 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm actually always a little shocked...
When people worry about the need to have a “veteran” as your third stringer. As though, should he actually get into a game, that veteran-ness is going to cover up the fact that he’s not good enough to be a backup.
To my mind, it just makes more sense to have somebody younger in the emergency role. As you mentioned, it’s called the “emergency” quarterback for a reason – if you have to go to him, things are dire. Maybe the season isn’t lost, but you’ve at the very least exhausted your good options.
And if I’m looking at two players who aren’t very talented, and one of them is old and the other is young, it stands to reason that the old guy has less potential to work with. And you’re playing the lottery, anyway, at that point. You may as well side with potential.
Where the conversation gets complicated is the people who want to bring in a veteran to be the backup: Somebody who can come in if Smith goes down so that the team doesn’t need to throw Kaepernick into the fire. And I know that 49ers fans can be nervous about throwing a young QB into the fire (once bitten, twice shy, as they say), but… I just can’t side with that. I think you have to be willing to throw your second round draft pick into the game. The second round isn’t where you go to find players to bury on the sideline, so unless you figure the pick was already wasted (or Smith keeps him on the bench), he should have the opportunity to play.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Gotta agree.
I think it’d be stupid in the extreme to let CK sit on the sidelines were Alex to get hurt.
Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...
If you had a true proven winner that wasn’t looking to start (and came cheap), then it might help for a year, assuming you don’t have to bump a promising youngster from the roster (don’t think the niners are in that boat).
Some of the names I’ve seen thrown around make me laugh…we don’t need a “vet” just because he’s been in the league a few years, but has never made an impact on the field.
Could you even realistically get a “true, proven winner who wasn’t looking to start (and come cheap)”? Those are three things that just don’t go together.
And should you find that, could you even realistically sign one to fill the emergency role? Why wouldn’t he just go and be the backup somewhere else?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Just to point this out
I hope this is a narrow enough topic for a FanPost.
If it’s this long and well-thought out, you can always feel free to post it as a FanPost instead of looking for somewhere to post it as a comment instead. Most of the FanPosts we take down are one or two paragraphs and don’t really discuss anything in detail.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
3rd QB?
Maybe it’s better to save the roster spot for another position rather than a 3rd QB. It seems we could easily put one or both of our undrafted QB rookies in the practice squad. Plus with the number of linebackers and safeties that we have, I’d rather keep OLB Gibson or S Mays over QB Masoli on the active roster.
FanPost
This is a very solid FanPost. It’s a good topic, you provide some background and your own thoughts. Perfect example.
Here's why you want a veteran over a rook.
The team has two goals: Winning as many games as possible, and grooming CK to be the potential QBOTF.
You do not want to throw CK to the wolves before he’s ready – but you want to be able to give him a lot of practice reps to help him get ready. The problem is, if your third QB is a rookie, you need to give him a lot of practice reps to keep him ready – reps you’d rather be giving CK, to further his development.
On the other hand, if you bring in a vet – who you don’t expect to be any better than the rookie – then you can give all those extra practice reps to CK. You have more time to work with him, to focus on him, and to get him ready. And you’re more protected if Smith gets hurt and you don’t feel CK is ready. (Smith was thrown in too soon as a rookie. Might not have made a difference, but it sure didn’t help – best case scenario is that it did no damage, and that strikes me as unlikely).
It doesn’t make sense to compare us to the Bears, who knew who their #1/QBOTF was: Cutler. They didn’t have anybody to groom, so they could apportion their practice reps for non-starters however they needed to for the next week’s game.
That is not the Niners situation. The whole point is to have a #3 who’s going to take as few practice reps as possible away from CK. The Nate Davis situations demonstrated how hard it is for a #3 QB to get meaningful practice reps, so the team wants a guy who doesn’t need them.

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