49ers Sitting $15.77 Million Under Salary Cap
by David Fucillo on Aug 16, 2011 4:08 PM PDT
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PrintEarlier today, Jason LaCanfora released updated salary cap numbers for all 32 teams. Our San Francisco 49ers sit at $15,770,512 under the salary cap. I'd say that's good news since FO can now give Daunte Culpepper the rich contract he deserves!
The 49ers are far under the cap, but it's not quite as crazy as it sounds. The average team is $11,053,872 under the cap, so the 49ers are not too far down. There are eight teams with more cap room than the 49ers, with the Kansas City Chiefs leading the way at $32,984,542. The St. Louis Rams are leading on the other end, sitting $822,036 over the cap. I thought teams already had to be under the cap at this point, but I'm guessing they've got until the final 53-man roster cutdown, which is scheduled for September 3.
The question now is how or if the 49ers will spend much of that cap room. Depending on how players start out the season, they'd have plenty of room to front load some contract extensions. That could apply particularly to Frank Gore if the team is going to get a deal done sooner rather than later.
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It seems the 49ers can put this cap room to good use right now
By throwing a bunch of it at Frank Gore. Write his contract so he gets money out of the cap now and later we have cap room for new talent.
It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011
Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN
by Pat Willie on Aug 16, 2011 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Frank deserves an extension based on past loyalty, not future production. 3 yr extension, with the signing bonus going toward this year’s cap and a reasonable base salary would ensure he finishes out his career here.
by reedkrase on Aug 16, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Keeping Gore is worth it, he has a couple years left in him.
It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011
Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN
that would actually encourage other players to play in SF when they see an FO that is loyal back. Just use the rest of the cap to pay players this year and have them happy as can be. Not my money, but employees will break their backs for you if they know you will break yours for them
Spikes was always a journeyman, 49ers helped him resurrect his career. The franchise was good to him.
Baas never lived up to his draft status. 49ers didnt’ get the production out of him that you’d expect from 33rd overall.
Gore on the otherhand has been exceptional. Franchise should reward that.
Right on the money
Bowman needs to play and the Giants gave Baas top dollar. No fault of the niners on either of those two.
Not sure Frank is going to get what he wants. Not that he doesn’t deserve it because he’s been to total all pro for us. The business part of paying running backs has changed. Ask Chris Johnson.
I like to think if this was a viable tactic, it would be more commonplace. Handing out the most (guaranteed) money and/or being a likely deep playoff threat team are way more persuasive in attracting talent.
I only want Gore extended if it’s expected he can produce at or beyond whatever extension he receives. The organization can wait until after he hangs it up and celebrate his accomplishments, try and groom him as a RB coach if he desires, have him on as a special advisor or PR type of office gig, etc., after his playing days are over.
I'm only saying that it can't hurt
I had an guy that I managed. He was horrible, but I gave him a lot of attention. I defended him from my boss and told him that he was my responsibility. After he heard that he worked a lot harder to try and please me. He turned out to be an ok employee. What really surprised me was that the rest of my team turned it up also because they knew I was there for them. I learned that positive reinforcement motivated like nothing else and my guys would do anything I asked them to because I would never ask someone to do something I was not willing to do.
If you can afford to take care of your players, do it. Eddie D took care of his men
3 yrs not bad
if the season goes bad which I think it will, trade him for picks ….
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Aug 16, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Gore
Has this been covered here yet?
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IDK
I kinda find it funny that ALLEGEDLY, the now commissioner of the UFL bribed Frank.
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Yeah.
I don’t think they could prove it. And it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove.
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Tha has no effect on the team
Only the U. Its the NCAA’s problem now
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wow, gore got free lunches lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 16, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think so. lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 16, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Are there any top FA next season that the FO can target?
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"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
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We need a fullback and a RG
Let’s see who’s left out there.
Who IS left out there?
Miller will probably be the FB since he is Harbaugh's pick.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I’m pretty meh on Harbaugh’s picks, and the draft after the 3rd round.
Pre Snap reads, if Smith doesn't get better at it, we made a HUGE mistake!!!
I know, but I don't like his picks. I'm not expecting starters, but he drafted a lot of what he already have.
Pre Snap reads, if Smith doesn't get better at it, we made a HUGE mistake!!!
Upgrading our Offensive Line w/ that money seems like a good idea..
maybe even take some gambles on some young CB prospects on the defensive sides if we have enough left.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
No FA OLinemen to upgrade to. . .
Unless we were to take Jon Stitcomb, just released by NO. Awesone RT. Still recovering from being hurt last year. But a def great mentor for Davis. Or move Davis to RG.
The perfect amount to sign Nnamdi!
Oh wait…
by Rep the Bay on Aug 16, 2011 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Proposal...
Trade Gore, and a later round pick to the Titans and pay CJ2k whatever the hell he wants.
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I feel guilty just reading that proposal
guilty cause gore has been good to the niners through some horrible seasons . . . . but if the Titans were stupid enough to let it happen . . . . awesome deal for the 49ers
I'd have to agree
Biz is biz.
But why would they let CJ go and be in the same situation with Gore as a FA in 2012? Makes no sense.
Because maybe Gore is more affordable to them and still very productive.
With all the running backs coming out in the draft next year, they could find their future their while Gore held it down.
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Why wouldnt we just wait to gwt a back? And save more than 13 mil?
Pre Snap reads, if Smith doesn't get better at it, we made a HUGE mistake!!!
Because there are not many backs that come along like Chris Johnson
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AP is a free agent next year, we have the coin, plus there will be a running backs to choose from inthe draft.
13 mil for him? Paying for stats and not wins is redundant to me.
Pre Snap reads, if Smith doesn't get better at it, we made a HUGE mistake!!!
I feel guilty for writing it...trust me.
But it’s literally a no-brainer. Worth throwing it out there.
Look how many games Gore has played the last three years. Look how many CJ has layed. Look at their ages, etc… lot of factors. And maybe Tennessee would be happy with that scenario. Doesn’t seem like they want to pay him close to what he wants.
Niners have room for it. Not sure how it would effect them on down the road but I am sure there are positive ways to structure a contract that would make both parties happy.
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You're dreaming
but it is a sweet, sweet dream. Good for CJ to have a mobile QB that teams have to account for.
I'll admit, it's def dreaming but if somehow, someway it happened, I think we'd all be stoked.
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Why do you feel guilty? It's not like he has been working for nothing ... he's already made more than possible in any other profession.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 16, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
but made considerably less than what he is worth. Can you imagine missing out on millions of dollars?
Basically it's like holding a lottery ticket and then losing it before you can cash it in.
I don’t know how that would feel, but I imagine pretty close.
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Yep
Or offer a 1st rounder to Detroot for Shaun Hill and pay him Peyton Manning money . . .
Shaun Hill flipped in to the end zone the other day.
It was actually pretty awesome.
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then who do we get when we cut Davis again
by Andrew9erfan on Aug 16, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Extensions +
I believe they’ve already given Willis an extension. Now extend Gore. If any other critical player needs extension give it to them. Then if they have anything left see who’s out there after the cuts.
Roster cutdowns are coming on August 30th (to 75) and September 3rd (to 53) ...
Honestly, I don’t think that the Niners are through yet in identifying the “final 53 roster”. This “cap surplus” puts them in a nice position to cherry-pick the roster cuts of other teams where they believe that they can improve over what they already have. So, if that be true, what might they yet do? Here’s what I could see happening …
First, I think that it’s obvious that they will try to trade Taylor Mays for another player (maybe for Josh Johnson, since Tampa Bay could use help at the safety position) or for a draft pick … however they can get the greatest value for Mays.
On Offense, I could see them looking to find a QB#2 (a vet, allowing CK to watch and learn this year), a veteran FB better than Norris (allowing Miller a year on the PS to learn a new position), a #2/#3 RB better than Dixon (who IMO has gained too much weight to be quick enough anymore), and/or a superior OT#4 (thus putting Person and/or Hall on the PS).
On Defense, I could see them looking to find a NT#2 (a vet, allowing Williams to learn while on the PS), a DE #3/#4 superior to RJF and/or Tukuafu, an OLB#4 superior to Applewhite, and/or a vet CB#6 superior to Brown.
Basically my thinking is nothing more than “get better” where you can when roster cuts happen.
IF there is any money left from this prospective roster-change activity, THEN consider contract extensions for existing players … although, in light of his injury issues, I am not in favor of giving Frank a significantly larger contract; I might extend him a year, but not at substantially more money per year.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 16, 2011 4:46 PM PDT reply actions
Is the goal to get better or to "protect" UFAs? We CAN do better than Williams as a NT#2!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 16, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes Williams wouldnt clear waivers
The video on ESPN OTL showed how many teams were interested in him. He came to San Fran because he knew he could have the opportunity to make the 53
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Disagree
TB will never trade Johnson for Mays.
Ian Willianms will be taken from the PSquad by another team.
Giving up on Tarrel Brown too soon. He’s looking good so far.
A better FB? All for it, but who do you have in mind? I don’t see anyone out there right now.
I was pissed
when they didn’t go hard after Baltimore’s FA LeRon McClain. KC got him. Would have changed our team into a true WCO.
Well . . .
assuming we had a QB who could run a WCO. Alex Smith will not be that guy.
Same considering we haven't found a real second RB
and McClain can run if needed.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 16, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Why overpay for a fullback?
Honestly the position isn’t that important to pay the “big name” and “free agency” premiums both.
My response ...
1. Tampa only has two non-rookie safeties on their roster; Mays is better than any of those rookies. And, they have two other young QBs behind Freeman.
2. Why do I care if we can get a superior NT?
3. I’ve not seen any substantial improvement in Brown in the last two seasons; if you can sign somebody better, why not? Waiting too long for a guy to “develop” is a passive approach; why not be aggressive and go get somebody better now?
4. I don’t know who YET, but, believe me, there will be somebody better than Norris available in the next three weeks.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 16, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you please watch the video on this link, and then thereafter stop talking about Josh Johnson please?
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yea if Tampa doesn't give JJ a new contract this year...
SF FO will pretty much have to wait til next year if they really want him
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see why they would not extend him.
Plus, why draft Kaep if you are thinking JJ in 2012. Makes no logical sense.
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Because Josh Johnson doesn't nearly have the ceiling Kaep has.
He wasn’t very impressive when he started in 4 games in 2009.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Aug 16, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't know if Kaep or JJ is the guy
Its called spreading around the risk. Smith is not the guy. Culpepper or any other vet is not going to pull a Kurt Warner for us this year. Unless you are sure we are getting Luck next year, you keep looking for the guy until you know you got him.
We all thought Harbaugh was a professor for QBs… why do we have only two serious QBs on the roster? And only one is young enough to learn under Harbaugh’s tutelage. It is an odd use of resources.
I don’t think JJ imagines himself a career backup so that’s why he won’t sign an extension. It’s just too bad we apparently can’t peel him out for a late round draft pick. Still, that’s the type of QB we should be looking for… young guys with upsides in the Harbaugh system.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 16, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith IS average, but he's not too old to learn...
It’s not like the guy’s mid 30s… He’s only 27…
Johnson is a possibility next year… I am also fairly certain he won’t be signing an extension…
Dixon? #3? I didnt see anything from Hunter besides bonehead returns!!!!
Pre Snap reads, if Smith doesn't get better at it, we made a HUGE mistake!!!
Did you watch the game last friday…Sorry i like Dixon but Hunter did way better then him
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I actually watched it twice, but I have seen Dixon in a regular season, this is still preseason....
I mean hell, it works for Alex.
Pre Snap reads, if Smith doesn't get better at it, we made a HUGE mistake!!!
yup
comic relief best friend. Gore held out earlier this year because someone made a joke about Moran.
He probably won't get much playing time I suspect.
So if it keeps Gore happy to have his friend on the roster, then I guess it’s worth it.
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you guys are killing me
he should be gone by now so someone who could actually contribute something could be learning.
I'll never forget that botched pass in Seattle
For me, that one photo/video encapsulated the entire Niners season last year. Should have kept that photo of Moran falling backwards with that horrified goofball expression…
I like to look at the body of work for 2010
3 carries for ZERO yards.
by Jaxson876 on Aug 16, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAOOO
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Have a feeling that why we see all these TE's on the roster...
Norris roll will be limited at best
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
man... *norris role will be limited at best
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Maybin
Barrows tweeted that the 49ers are interested in signing him..maybe why they released Gibson?
sorry
http://twitter.com/#!/mattbarrows/status/103615214204882944
What the hell would we do with that guy?
Brooks and Aldon should be the starters. I don’t even thing Aaron Maybe provides depth to a starter.
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What a waist of a draft pick
Was he not used properly by the Bills, or down this guy not care about football
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Simple, Drew ... is he better than Applewhite? Does he have more potential than Applewhite?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 16, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Applewhite???
He’s not going to make this team.
Question that needs to asked is he better than Haralson, Aldon, Brooks, Rowe and guys like that. Doubtful. Not so simple. He’s a complete bust.
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Either Kenny Rowe or Applewhite are going to make the team
If Maybin is considered better, which I am not sure he is, it is worth a shot. Of course, you are looking at a vet minimum contract with no guaranteed money.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then it's Rowe because Applewhite looked like Applesauce the other night.
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I think Rowe makes the team if he continues to play well
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowe is a freak.. he was at Oregon too.
I just think his structure is better suited to move to the inside. He is built like Sing when he played.
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I was at the Bills blog
And hes lost a lot of weight. Taylor Mays weighs more than him. I hope they dont bring him in to be a OLB for us. It’ll be a waste of a roster spot and PS spot
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Yeah, it would be really bad. And he probably would not make the team on talent.
If he did, it would be solely by name.
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Yea Maybin is 228lbs now....
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That is ridiculous.
Why would the Niners consider him and not Mays at OLB if that’s the case?
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To be fair
Maybin has experience at OLB and Mays has none.
This guy was spot on about Maybin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDj_X0Da6Nw
He played at 235 at Penn State as a DE
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Would make sense
Kicked the tires on Daunte Culpepper. Not to mention Maybin is cheap and he sucks, the 49ers front office must be drooling.
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The FO should re-sign Chilo if he performs well in the first few games of the season
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Rachel’s problem is inconsistency. You watch him play three good games, sign a big contract, and fall asleep on us. He’s gotta go.
Chilo has a high ceiling, I think releasing him would be a mistake if he corrects his concentration issues
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tell that to kwane harris
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 16, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Tackle and guard are different
Chilo is dominant in run blocking, Harris was horrible at pass blocking.
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three years is enough concentrating. pass blocking is also easier for a guard than a tackle.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 16, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well yeah, ofcourse it is easier for a guard to pass block than a tackle
But a tackle’s primary goal is to protect his quarterback, and if he can’t do that… then he’s not a very good tackle. If you are a great run blocking guard, and an adequate pass blocker, then you can still be a very good guard.
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You're the same fan . .
who thinks Alex Smith could have an 86% passer rating with 22 TDs in 2012?
I guess that’s because we traded him to NE in 2012. THAT’s an OLine. Maybe he could be decent in NE. But not here, and not with Rachel at RG, and not unless he has bionic surgery — something that makes him an accuarate passer for instance. Smith and Rachel both have to go. They suck. I’m looking for a Super Bowl team. To get there we need an accurate passer and a RG who has consistent effort on every play. That leaves them out.
So now you are questioning Alex Smith’s effort and commitment on each play? I do have confidence that Alex Smith will have a good season, and will not jump on the fact that he played badly in 1 pre-season game. We were 4-0 last pre-season, and look where that got us. On Chilo Rachal… he was a top 5 guard last season in run blocking, and has the ceiling to be consistantly a top 3 guard in run blocking. However, he does need to improve on his concentration in pass blocking. I think Chilo is very underrated
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Your writing big checks for FO with that statement.....
if chilo performs, then you give him big money, then he loses concentration & goes back to his usual self….. no thank you.
Put Snyder @ guard, goodwin @ center & chilo as back up…..chilo can learn from practice if he really wants to perform too the next level
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If he performs well, and you don't re-sign him
then he will be even more expensive when he hits FA at the end of the season. It works both ways. Signing him relatively early would mean we could possibly re-sign him on a reasonable deal
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Nope show me what you are worth....
not overpay you cause of potiential…..
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He has shown he is a dominating guard
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Ha you talking about Chilo? Lolzzzz
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously chilo is far from dominating anything at NFL level
Maybe when he was at USC, but in the NFL he is serviceable at best right now
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
I meant dominating in run blocking
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ok I'm not going to agree/disagree with chilo's RBing but I have my doubts
But what we cannot discredit the fact that he is HORRIBLE at PBing since he has been here. Which means NO improvement for all these years he has started. But Snyder on the other hand is proficient at both attributes compared to Chilo. If any qb goes back to pass you have to worry about the entire right side of the line right now. You have the blind leading the blind over there. I rather have a vet like snyder showing & gelling with AD on line calls on that side so there is some form of stability.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
that is fair enough
I just think Iupati and Rachal have the talent to be the best guard tandem in the league. Childo needs to improve on his concentration – I really expect him to step it up this season. Snyder has a low ceiling, and is average.
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We as fans expect alot of things; doesn't mean its going to happen
Chilo has been starting since ‘08. Eight games his rookie year & missed one game since then thats 2.5yrs of game play and no gradual improvement. It’s time to let him sit the bench & see if he really wants to reach that “high ceiling” you say he has. As for snyder, you may say he has a “low ceiling” but you know what you have; solid, consistent, a better pass blocker
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Pass blocking is so much more important than run blocking in today's NFL.
I have a bad feeling we’re going to be worrying about Davis and Chilo in that department for a long time.
like greg roman says....
Best 5 is going to play & thats what I’m looking for…not best 5 with potiential
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, re-sign Boone and Reggie Smith now
Then re-sign Braylon, and possibly Rogers, during the season if they perform well – avoid FA
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They need to wait until the finale cuts , there will be a plethora of players to nab ...!!
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Hmmm , no sure if you agree or funnin me ...!!
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Theres no set # of UDFAs we're required to keep
With this much cap room, we can spend a bit more to get a vet or someone young with a lot more upside backup for depth at certain positions rather than relying on a rookie. This is something we havent been able to do the last few seasons. Even if the Yorks are trying to save money, they can earmark some of the remaining cap $ to Gore and the rest to signing guys at veteran minimums rather than rookie contracts and finally give this team some depth.
That said, I think a guy like Maybin is perfect to take a flyer on as the 5th OLB behind Applewhite…change of scenery, reunite with Bowman, an LB coach that could get a lot more out of him, etc.
Chilo could be done this year at RG if Snyder shows him up.
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he can help with the reads now that he has a little experience as that the center position. Goodwin and Snyder could help develop the young outside
Now we just need to figure out what to do with Davis for a year or two while he develops.
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let Davis & Boone compete for minutes....
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
49ers
should look at the vet market in regards to tackles and guards. They could let Wragge and/or Rachal walk.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
McKinnie and Flozell Adams
Just get them in shape before Sept 11th.
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Another option at RG
is Leonard Davis, who has been solid the last couple seasons. He would also help Davis out in the right side in terms of experience a long the line
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Our RG is going to be Chilo or Snyder.
I thought you were talking about RT.
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It will be Chilo I think
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I was hypothetically
talking about RT and/or RG. But tackle would seem like more of a pressing need
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
congrats on signing with Bleacher Report by the way! :)
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Thanks :)
I will link my article page to my signature when the first one is posted this week :)
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The 49ers, Chargers and national NFL articles. This week I am doing mostly 49er stuff. But, new week will be doing a few national articles and a Chargers one
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I know right
The editor asked me if I am comfortable doing a couple articles for them and I said yeah.
But, the large majority, like 90 percent will be focused on the 49ers
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Hows the baby girl doing ..!!
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shes great, thanks for asking
she’s a good girl and hates the Chargers. She asked me the other day what was up with Nocal81, I had no answer
Does she sleep well and what about MoM and Dad you guys getting any sleep ...!!
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Mcwagner right about now
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Kewl , then six more won't hurt ...!!
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She did? How nice
I am still here. You people cant get rid of me so quick. I know some of you want to LOL.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Great! looking forward to reading it
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Helping Davis out , is not letting be on a island , plenty of ways to cover his weakness until there isn't one ...!!
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yea but it just 1 preseason game & everyone looked like crap...
BUT if it continues you have to give Davis the nod since you drafted him so high; Hate that rule because team spent so much money on a prospect
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The only question the 49ers should be asking is this
Is Davis better than Boone right no? If not, then Boone should be starting. They cant justify starting another regimes #1 pick, and they wont
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
did you mean "is davis better than boone right now?"
if so I agree there at question. but as of now Davis is our starting RT.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Right now
yeah, my bad
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Snyder has got to gain some of that weight back.
He was getting handled the other night.
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Snyder huh
Snyder is another one of those 49ers that have remained on the roster for years unable to outperform any one.
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Nope
Snyder has always turned out to be a disappointment. Its like picking the one guy who wouldn’t beat out Chilo.
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Maybin
with this much cap room will then send a lot of money his way to get a person considered a bust?
Maybin
Is getting a one year contract at or near the minimum, nothing more. So, it wouldn’t be an investment to say. Either way, if he isn’t better than Applewhite or Rowe it is pointless
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
why not
we have two weeks to evaluate him and get him in a couple games…no guaranteed money, cut him on Aug 30 if hes that bad
lol which one??
the WR is with the bears, the saftey is a free agent
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
too many safeties already
and the WR plays a lot older than he really is…his running reminds me of Issac Bruce his last few years here
think mcwagner is just trying to "throw salt in Oaklands tank" for this weekend game
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like Culpepper might not be the answer LOL
Jim Harbaugh said 49ers will bring in more QBs to work out for potential No. 3 role.
49ers to bring in more veterans to tryout for the 3rd QB position
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:39 PM PDT reply actions
JT O'Sullivan
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
lol Charlie Frye
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Available options include
O’Sullivan, Frye, Todd Collins, Brian Brohm, Bradie Croyle, Jake Delhomme, Patrick Ramsey, Chris Simms, Troy Smith.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
May as well just get Troy back. Stick him on the bench.
The guys in the locker room seemed to have liked him.
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Willie Beamon ;-)
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
he just wants to win games & get paid
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, well..
Just sign Jamie Foxx then and tell him to “act” like a championship QB for us.
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I don't know hard sell; Willie is going to say he needs blocking from the OLine
before signing on the dotted line
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Delhomme and Smith seems like the best options
and that is real scary. Maybe, Bulger can be talked out of retirement
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
NO DELHOMME.....
that’s an INT waiting to happen ask steve smith
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Alcatraz could be his weekday home
That could be a nice offer LMAO
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously on all the $$ he stole last year
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Not as bad as
Heyward-Bey getting nearly 1MM per catch last season. He should be locked up on the other side of the bay in Marin
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont know delhomme gives him a run for his money, Just for 5 games in 2010
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4992744
ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter first reported the deal, and a source told Schefter that Delhomme is scheduled to make $7 million this season, including just under $900,000 in base salary. With $12.7 million from Carolina, Delhomme will make $19.7 million in 2010.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
And now you see why delhomme can patiently wait it out
2010 stats was 5 games, 149/93, 872yrs, 2tds, 7ints, 2fumbles
although he got hurt when he came back you can see why they went with Colt McCoy
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Jamarcus Russell
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he might be now
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russel was almost or at 300lbs. cullper is reportedly at or under 265lbs.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 16, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
265 was close to the average weight for a lineman in the late 70's, early 80's.
So, we kind of laugh about it but had it been a different era, it’s likely that they would have the structure for a lineman.
So basically, to put it in perspective, we now legitimately guys who could’ve played line back then playing QB now.
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Patience............
The force is strong with Jim
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I happen to like Chris Weinke
He was on my fantasy team one season during his epic stewardship of the Panthers 1-15 season.
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Sounds more and more like it's going to be Alex in this "competition"
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Give him more than two seconds to pass the ball and it will be okay
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
that has not worked either
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 16, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Worked better than no time at all
Smith cant handle the pressure, too weak in the pocket and doesn’t feel the pressure coming. Pretty much the worse QB in the league you could have in this situation
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That was his own fault, Mr Presnap Failure....
Pre Snap reads, if Smith doesn't get better at it, we made a HUGE mistake!!!
and even when there is no pressure he still no good.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 16, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
get palmer
Offer cinn 1st rd pick get palmer sign gore to big monet. This year sure some other players and use cap room for next years free agents
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can't waste a 1st on palmer
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I hope that was a joke?
1st round pick for Palmer would be one of the worse trades in modern NFL history.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 16, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
no worse
Than were we r know palmer can play and I’m sure it would help his game playin in the warm weather again. Look at the def he faced and then look at what he would b facin here he would tear them up
by ndsf1994 on Aug 16, 2011 6:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Should have been original plan
Although Mike Brown probably is/has refused to trade him for any price. He wouldn’t even give up Chad for 2 1st round picks a couple years ago when he entering the loony stage.
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Mike Brown is a looney owner.....
remember a special where TKO & some former players were saying they were happy this guy bought them oversized towels for preseason…..
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 16, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Rushing to give out extensions is the wrong way to spend this money.
The team needs to maintain it’s cap flexibility over the next couple of offseasons. Tying up much cash in guaranteed future money for players runs the risk of destroying that flexibility.
The closer you are to a championship, the more sense it makes to be capped out – or close to it. Now is your window, spend the money. When you’re further from a championship, you need to be patient, wait, make smart moves so you can make the big move when it makes a difference.
The Niners, therefore, being a below-average team, should be below the salary cap by an above-average amount. Doesn’t mean they should spend it – particularly not if it means tying up money for multiple years.
No. Front-loading extensions is exactly what the team should do
In order to allow flexibility in future years
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How much ability does the team have when it comes to front-loading extensions?
Are there limits to how you can structure the guaranteed money?
A team can front-load extensions as much as you want, as long as you stay below the salary cap.
No point in staying 15 million under the salary cap for the whole of the season. It is better to front-load now, so as to keep salary cap room in the future
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Nope
The team has done with 3 contracts in the last 2 years: Staley, Willis and VD.
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We have to remember
That we now have quite many 1 year contracts that we may want to extend during the year. If we give Gore a “Thank you for playing” payday that severely limits our ability to retain some of these guys if they perform well — because we’d want to front load their contracts as well to give us the cap space to fill in the gaps next year.
Smith, Edwards, Morgan, Rachal, Snyder, Brooks, Rogers, Goldson, Williams, Smith is the short list.
I’d actually favor letting Gore play out his contract because he’ll want an extension at least matching Vernon and quite frankly at his age and wear level that is a very bad move for the franchise.
I wouldn't be heartbroken parting with:
Morgan, Rachal/Snyder (one of them), Goldson, [and obviously Alex if he’s mediocre/Kaep proves himself good.]
I agree.
We gotta think about bringing in new blood at the RB position next year. Hunter could emerge as a possible replacement. If that happens then we don’t even need to think about extending Gore.
The only good thing about the situation is that I believe Gore is loyal to the franchise. He has his sight set on being the all-time franchise rusher. If the Niners play it right, we could sign him to a 3-yr deal at a very reasonable price.
He is 28-years old and not getting any younger. If he gets injured once again this year, then there is no sense in bringing him back at all.
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Yep
I don’t worry so much about age, since that isn’t really accurate to determine a RB’s expected career.
What I worry about is how heavily we’ve used him. Many people worry about the big 30, but the true mark they should be worried about is 1700 touches. Usually they are pretty close to one another. But Gore will blast through that number before this season is out.
Now that’s not a hard cap or anything, and he could still have a couple good years after — but the odds are overwhelming that when a back hits 1700 touches their best days have been played and it’s all downhill from there.
those numbers
They appear to be correct. But it doesn’t include 900k of incentives on Alex Smith, who by the way signed a 1yr 4M deal.
Also not included is 2.5M incentives in Braylon’s 1yr deal.
And from my numbers, This could include the 1M extra cap credit. I have us at 14M, so thats likely where the extra 1M comes from.
On another note. Patrick Willis triggered an option, which adds just under 10.1M to his 2014-2016 base salaries.
He is under contract for 2017, but that will void. Anthony Davis is under for 2015, but voidable also.
And Crabtree’s remaining money is only in 500K Workout Bonuses per yr. Thru 2014. But 2014 is voidable, if he works out in more than 90% Combined during his deal.
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