The San Francisco 49ers and the Cornerback Position
The corner back is still a bit uncertain. It's uncertain as to who exactly will be the two starters at this point
The 49ers released Nate Clements who was considered by some the best corner on the team. In return they went out and got free agent Carlos Rogers from Washington. Rogers was not considered the number one guy for the Redskins as they had DeAngelo Hall who went on to have a Pro Bowl year. However, it was Rogers that primarily matched up against the opposing teams number ones.
With Rogers most likely holding down at least one of the spots, the other remains vacant. Shawntae Spencer not only has a hamstring problem this year, which could possibly bother him through the season if he tries to get back out there too soon, but has been real streaky throughout his career thus far too.
Right now, Tramaine Brock has been receiving the first team reps but got beaten pretty badly a few times against the Saints. The most memorable thing that happened was when he let Robert Meachem slip past him across the middle as he dropped a pass from Drew Brees that would have set up a good opportunity for the Saints to score. Brock has a long way to go if he wants to start in the NFL.
Chris Culliver is a long shot to make it as the starter but showed some impressive skills in last week's game. To add, when he was in the game, you could notice his number in on almost every single play.
Other options that are on the roster and have a chance to make it are Phillip Adams, Tarell Brown, Phillip Davis, and Cory Nelms.
The 49ers will probably carry five corners on the team.
With that in mind, would bringing in another veteran be a good idea? There are still guys like Kelvin Hayden on the market. With the Niners salary cap room, it's something that should be at least looked in to.
If you would like to see previews of each player, please follow after the jump by hitting the "continue reading" link below.
Phillip Adams (5'11", 192) - Adams seemed to have an okay game last Friday. He saw some time on special teams and doesn't seem like that would be the best fit. His best fit will primarily be at playing corner. However, with his injury last year, it's hard to say if he will totally recover in time. It appeared at times that it will still be a problem in cutting to keep uo with opposing receivers.
Tramaine Brock (5'10", 197) - He has been doing solid in practices and is taking nearly all the 1st team reps alongside of Carlos Rogers when he is in there. However, as I alluded to in the above section, Brock was getting beat like he stole something against the Saints. He will look to improve against the Raiders who have a decent enough set of receivers as well.
Tarell Brown (5'10", 193) - Brown has never quite emerged as being a front runner for a starting position. As it was last year, he had a hard enough time in some instances playing the nickel position. Brown will probably make the team this year just to provide some veteran presence assuming the Niners don't bring anyone else in at this position.
Chris Culliver (6'0", 199) - For a rookie, Culliver has really shown that he wants to be a starter in this league. He has been all over the field both in practice and last week's game. He is not afraid to get physical (not to be mistaken with physical with an "F") and seems to have very good fluidity in his hips and getting turned around in enough time to defend passes. It doesn't hurt matters that he has been covering Braylon Edwards a lot in practice. I expect to see great things from the rookie this year. Even if he just starts out at the nickel position. He could wind up being one of the steals of the draft.
Phillip Davis (5'10", 173) - I haven't heard too much about Davis up to this point, so my evaluation is incomplete at this point. But in judging by his weight and size, it seems as though it would be a long shot for him to make the team.
Cory Nelms (6'0", 195) - Nelms, per Matt Maiocco is also another long shot to make the team. Although his size is certainly there, it sounds like he is a bit rough around the edges. It's always a long shot if he impresses the coaching staff enough in these next couple games. But ultimately, he could be one of the names we see dropped by August 30th if he doesn't rise to the occasion next week and the week after.
Carlos Rogers (6'0", 192) - The 49ers obviously brought Rogers in to lock down at least one of the corner positions. It's uncertain up to this point as to what level of play he will bring to the table. He has been a little banged up and been on the daily injury reports as of late. One thing about Rogers that he provides that Nate Clements couldn't, is recovery speed. This is an area that the 49ers were really hurt in last year. Not only at the corner positions but the safeties as well. I expect Rogers to be covering the Larry Fitzgerald's and Sidney Rice's in the division this year. It's no easy task, but from what it sounds like, Rogers is up to any challenge all the time.
Shawntae Spencer (6'1", 190) - Spencer's future is really up in the air at this point. He will probably be on the team because he brings some vale in terms of being a veteran. He can help bring along the younger guys rather quickly with his advise. But last year, he was beat far too much. Of course, the safety help over the top was not on par as well. That can go a long way in smashing any confidence a corner may have. If the 49ers don't go out and get another veteran here, we may be stuck with Spencer once again.
Short list of current free agent corners still on the market: Kelvin Hayden, Travon Bellamy, Will Blackmon, Courtney Brown, Quincy Butler, Kevin Dockery, Andre Dyson, Randall Gay, Tye Hill, Ellis Hobbs, Roderick Hood, Will James, Trumaine McBride, Jeremy McGee, Keiwan Ratliff, Lito Sheppard, DeAngelo Smith, Shawn Springs, Nate Vasher, Brian Williams, C.J. Wilson. For more, click on the highlighted section that reads, "free agent corners still on the market".
SUMMARY
Expect the 49ers to be a bit better at the corner position. One of the key factors that will indefinitely help will be the upgrade to the safety position. Corners can play a little more aggressive if they have it in the back of their mind that they have solid help over the top. More aggressive play from the corners can in turn lead to more turnovers. More turnover can lead to more wins. And that is the idea. A solid secondary is always going to help the pass rush and vice versa as well.
Overall, I believe that the defense will be much improved as we will see a more aggressive defense. With the personnel the 49ers have on that side of the ball, it very well could be the defense (once again) that helps keep this team in ball games. The offense will be improved, no doubt, but it's not expected that the 49ers will be a juggernaut on that side of the ball putting up 30+ points a game.
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I suspect we'll see
Rodgers and Culliver starting in Week 1. Spencer is struggling to get healthy, Brown is awful (or was last year at any rate) and Adams is still trying to get fully recovered from that ankle injury last year (although he seems to be making some progress). Adams can probably be the nickel guy, unless he gets outplayed by someone else or can’t get to 100% on that ankle.
Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...
I love how stupid post-draft analysis can be.
Culliver was viewed as a massive reach right after the draft. Now (after a very promising start) we are talking about him being a draft day steal.
I remember that Drew liked that pick
when EVERYBODY else was FREAKING out about taking the 96th rated corner in the draft (exaggerated, but you get the idea)
Two of Brock's issues Friday were blown coverages.
The Meachem play he seemed to think he had safety help and the replays show that Whitner took the post route on the throw, believing the ball was going there.
The next play Brock was playing Zone and everyone else was in Man, a sign he didn’t get the call or forgot the coverage.
When he runs with guys he plays well. Just needs to learn and get the plays down.
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I would feel a little shaky going in to the regular season with him as a starter unless he shows vast improvement.
I hear good things coming out of camp about him. But until I see it on the field, I’ll remain a skeptic.
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I'm just saying he's got the tools, just needs the experience.
Rather him be the Dime back for now.
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Dime back would work possibly...
But we also have to consider our safeties in that equation as well.
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yeah they will play big dime some
fangio said as much, and we have athletic safeties (once Reggie is back) so that would work
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just went back and watched the almost-completion deep to Meachem
Whitner jumped the post-corner on the throw, thinking he was getting a break on the ball, meanwhile Brock was in trail position with no help. It wasn’t Cover 1 either cause Madieu was on the right hash, in deep-half.
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But still,
It’s not really an excuse. If that was Brock’s man, he majorly gave up the inside. As a corner, the good ones have to play like there is no safety help. Unless of course you are playing zone.
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Just re-watched yet again
they were in zone, Cover 2. Brock must’ve realized Whitner was too wide and turned to help. Culliver played off and dropped to depth, sat there, let man go. Had to be Cover 2.
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You sure?
Seems like you are waivering a bit. I think I am going to have to turn the play on now, haha.
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well it always seemed odd that Brock was that far behind and then Whitner just disappeared
and yet Madieu was in the neighborhood
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That was the Saints 3rd possession, right?
I should know… I’ve watched the game like 6 times already.
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I recorded it off of NFLN.
I am pretty certain it is the 3rd series for Drew Brees. I just fast forwarded
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yeah, I just know the play ended with 6:02 on the clock, so if you can make out the clock on the screen
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It looked like Whitner rotated underneath to get the TE.
It was 1-on-1 for Brock it seemed. Then Williams had the back half on the other side of the field but rotated over when the pass was released.
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Whitner dropped straight back then broke with the post-corner on the release of ball
Culliver sat in zone, can see that at game-speed. Williams was in his deep half, so why would Whitner be in man with only 1/2 zone deep?
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Culliver? You mean Brock, right?
We also have to consider we did not hear any audibles if there were any as well. It’s hard to say really. But it seemed as though Brock dropped the ball on the coverage.
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Culliver
Culliver, Williams, and Whitner’s drops say zone. No way they’d play Cover 2 except make the opposite CB play man
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Whitner squated for a min.
He had to make the read on what was going to happen with the TE lined up in the back field.
And if it was zone, then Brock obviously had the back half of that zone which he blew.
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only if Whitner came up in the box, then sunk into cover 2 flat
which he didn’t. He was 12yds off and sank back and just outside the hash.
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Would have been nice to see him blitz in that situation
Brees woulda been lit up and not had enough time to get the ball that far down field.
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The TE in the back field was locked up.
Woulda left Whitner free to get in there like Harper was doing to us.
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that would've been fine in cover 3 too
cause Brock would have sunk straight back, Madieu rotated to the center of the field, and Culliver drops straight back too. Then you give up anything underneath and have LB’s drop back about 10 yards.
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then play it in front of you (if he beats blitz to slant) and tackle
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Nevermind
I see what you are saying now after watching it a second time and using pause
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I think that one was on Whitner, honestly
he bit on a route and guessed wrong
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don't get me wrong
it was great design. Brees’ eyes were looking right Whitner’s way (only he was looking at the route behind Whitner, not at the guy in front of Whitner). Donte read Brees’ eyes and jumped that route. Madieu got much deeper, another sign that Whitner was reading his own thing there.
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Whitner was 12 yards deep on the snap
he moved back, back, then when Brees wound-up his arm, Whitner took the post-corner. Madieu was WAY outside the other hash-mark
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Williams rotated to the other side for over the top help with the WR's on the other side of the field.
I don’ see how he is in the equation of that play at all.
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Williams dropped back into deep half. He did what he was supposed to do
Whitner should have dropped further back and been deep 1/2 too. Instead he jumped a route underneath
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the only time u have 3 deep men is cover 3
doesn’t make sense to have a deep half into the boundary and to the field, a corner and safety deep.. in essense to cover one dude. If at all, that might work w/ the half side to the field. In fact that would’ve shut that play down perfectly.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Aug 17, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep talking about Culliver and Williams because they give clues to the coverage
if the CB and S on the left side sink into zone (on just their half of the field) then there has to be mirror coverage on the other side. The only way it was MW’s whole deep field is if he drops back into the middle. The only way it’s man-under is if Culliver plays man as well as Brock.
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by the way Whitner went after the route think it was
cover two to the boundary and Quarters (basically man) with backer support underneath to the field (hook to flat). Looks like Whitner may have been the one w/ safety support from Williams if his man would’ve also run a skiny post or streak. It has to be a deep zone on Brock’s side by his drop..and it clearly was 2 on the otherside. So that means Whitner’s responsibility had to be man in is area (2 on 2).
Either way, Brock should’ve been at lot closer to that
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Aug 17, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
It will be Rodgers & Spencer starting with
Culliver as the 3 CB.
That's what I am thinking too at this point.
I really hope they take a look at another vet here soon.
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I think Brown is good for Dime unless they just want to move-on
he’s played well in ST’s before and I doubt Cully plays them. Otherwise you’re looking at Adams or Brock in Dime and in Nickel with 1 injury
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Reggie Smith will most likely come in the game in those situations.
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me too, though it might have to wait a few games
he wont be back in time for opener, I’m guessing, not 100% anyways.
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agreed
Even if spencer is healthy i believe he will be on a shot leash and culliver could take his spot.
by h0ckeysk83r on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not so sure.
to me spencer is not guaranteed a starting job and may not even be guaranteed a roster spot.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
NDIOFCB
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Awwwwwwwwwwww yeah
Future.
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by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 17, 2011 12:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Time..............................
To spend the 1st rd draft pick on a corner, don’t you think?
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hard to tell
they have several young promising corners
could need help in various positions in next years draft depending on who pans out
by whistlingmountain on Aug 17, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Culliver nearly looks, so far, like he may have been a huge oversight by a lot of teams.
He could have got a 1st-2nd round grade in the right light.
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Seriously though...
There’s going to be some awesome CB’s in next years draft which is good for us.
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not panicking over our DB's
we have Donatell now and upgraded with Rogers. Culliver is the highest drafted CB we’ve had in a long time and he looks the part so-far. Plus our pass rush seems way upgraded with Aldon Smith, yes, I’m predicting he’ll upgrade the position wayyyy early.
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Brooks didn't look too shabby either.
He may have a break out year in Fangio’s scheme.
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seems to play the part well
that they’re not asking him to be Manny is big. Dont’ know why we played so much of that man-cover OLB when Manny was only one who could do it anyways…
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Different schemes will account for the loss of Manny.
It’s going to be built similar to how the Pack runs their D. We’re going to see more heat from the outside. With more a lot more zone-type looks.
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Feeling good about the secondary this year...
I think the starters Week 1 will be Rogers and Brock. Spencer will probably challenge for that starting role once he’s healthy. I think Culliver will be #3 or maybe Spencer if he gets bumped.
I think the team carries Rogers, Brock, Culliver, Spencer and Adams on the roster. With Nelms being a long-shot.
I am with you.
that young talent brought in last year brock and adams is starting show dividends plus culliver this year.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Can Culliver beat out Brock?
He’s been covering Edwards up pretty good in practice.
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maybe the question that should be asked is can spencer beat either of them out?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
betting Spencer will play when the games count
just wonder if he’ll be up to speed and in game-shape
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2009 version would be nice.
If he can get back to playing like that, it will be enough. He always seems to a lot better with a pass rush.
I have no idea why the coaching staff stripped the pass rush last year.
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that is what I am talking about, you have not idea which spencer you will be getting. a good or bad one can show up at any given time.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
PP did not look so hot in the first preseason game.
raiders 2nd and 3rd team wr. were catching some good balls against him.
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No.
But Demarcus Van Dyke looked really good for the Raiders. If he pans out then there won’t be as much a gaping vacancy left behind from Asomugha’s departure. They have a good secondary. Will be a good test on Saturday.
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it would be interesting to see a speed-guy turn out to have all-around talent for Al
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not too bad for his rookie year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacoby_Ford
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I knew Ford had turned out welll thus-far
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just his first round talent reaches seem to be reaches. I think the last two drafts someone has reigned him in over there. but not too much as they are still giving away picks to the patriots.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Jacoby Ford was pretty good for them last year.
And DHB actually looked like a 1st rounder the other day. But, preseason, and all that.
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no? did you watch the game?
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I recorded all the NFC West games
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and how many passes did PP give up and how many thrown his way?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
dude, I saw the game more than twice. pp gave up a few passes to rookies and 3rd stringers.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
I am NOT talking about Patrick Peterson, I know he played horrible. Was talking about Demarcus Van Dyke.
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than what were you saying no to?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Just had a case of the Yoda's or Nate Davis'
got a little backwards is all.
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fixed it for ya. lol
Just had a case of the Yoda’s or Nate Davis’
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry, you were doing that yoda thing again.
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Message to Nate Davis from Yoda himself:
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lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmdb5N44GH8
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
ok, so we agree than. you wrote No in your original response. lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. I can see how that would be misinterpreted.
No meaning, no, he played horrible… when it should have read, yes, he played horrible.
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lol, cards and seatle had a horrible draft this year.
I can not wait to see how seatles o-line turns out. they might have three rookies starting if okung stays hurt. and pp turns out to be a bust the cards secondary could be majorly hurting.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 17, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
well, time to go watch tedd ginn jr. drop 9 of 10 balls from the juggs machine today. lol
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You really expect that much improvement?
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he looks like he is 5'8 165lbs lol ted ginn jr.
he got pressed at the line of scrimmage by the 10nth ranked cb. he needs to be cut; ted ginn that is
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 18, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Rogers and Spencer start
Culliver might start by mid season.
Next year we have to go CB again at some point in the draft — Rogers is a good stopgap replacing Nate as a #1 but he’s 30 as well.
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someone has to take up your slack. j/k lol
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man, how many times do I have to say it, don’t get the FP writers wet!
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Are any of the free agents better than what we have now?
I don’t really know how the existing Free Agents compare to what we already got, but aren’t Shawn Springs and Lito Sheppard both pretty good? Seems like they’re only FAs because their contracts were too fat like Nate Clements. Granted they’re both also at the end of their careers, but maybe they’d be good for another year or two. Anyone else out there any good?

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