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49ers Wins Over/Under: What Would You Take On 7.5?

The odds might move up or down a little bit as we approach the regular season, but for now the 49ers over/under sits at 7.5 wins. For those not familiar with gambling, you bet that the 49ers will either finish with more than 7.5 wins or less than 7.5 wins. If you bet more than 7.5 the payout is -130, which means you have to bet $130 to win $100. If you bet under 7.5 wins the payout is even money, thus meaning over is the "favorite" for now.

Given the 49ers 6-10 finish last year and the significant roster and coaching turnover this year, this seems like a tough bet to figure out.  I like what the team brings to the table and I'm optimistic about the coming season, but this remains a tough one to figure out. After all, it could take the team some time to get everything in gear and get on the same page. The lack of much offseason workout doesn't necessarily mean they can't get it going right away, but it does make them a very unpredictable team once the season starts.

How many teams have as many question marks coming into the season? Every team has at least one question mark, but the 49ers have as many as anybody in the league. Maybe they find answers to those questions, maybe not. It just makes it that much harder to wager on them.

For comparison's sake, Arizona's over/under is at 6.5, Seattle is at 6.5 and St. Louis is at 7.5. It's interesting to note that the Rams and Seahawks under is the favorite, while the Arizona over is favored. That just shows how questionable the NFC West is in 2011.

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Vegas seems to think the 49ers are going to be 7-9

I’d like to see more success in preseason games before I took an over bet on that.

It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011

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by Pat Willie on Aug 18, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Without real trainning camp

I just dont see us winning more than 6 games I would be really be suprised plus our schdule is diffucult yes we play our divison but the rest of games ravens eagles steelers those our tuff games I doubt we will win. I do have alot of trust in Harbaugh but without time to install and let those guys learn we our in trouble in my opion

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by foreveryoung66 on Aug 18, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

10-6 - MINIMUM

Defense alone will win us 6 games. Alex has to be better than last year and we won 7. Our schedule is kind and we will handle the division with ease.

Trust and Believe.

by 40Notion on Aug 18, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

not trying to be the debbvie downer

but last time i checked aren’t we playing the nfc east?

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Ready for #6

by bayarearep94 on Aug 18, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plu

Steelers, Ravens (Harbaughs!), and a possibly scary Lions, who knows.

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tampa is nothing special

They had 2 wins against a team with a winning record. 4 against the NFC West and 2 against the Panthers padded there record

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 18, 2011 10:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just fear their D-Line

because, like Detroit, they spent consecutive 1st on their D-Line

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

That we sucked

Its not that hard to understand.

"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."

Norm Sloan

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."

Weldon Drew

by EcERyda69 on Aug 18, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

with a horrible coaching staff

and one on a blocked kick. Not to mention all of those close games that didn’t go our way. We will get our nice bounces this year.

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by manraj7 on Aug 18, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ask me after the pre-season

when the 0-line doesn’t make me swallow my heart every play.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.

by Arkie49er on Aug 18, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm a buyer

Looking at the schedule, I could see them going 6-10. On the other hand, when I think about that fact that the 49ers have the best TE tandem, best RB, best WR combo, and best Def in the NFC west, then there is no reason they can’t win the NFC west. Let’s say the go 4-2 in the NFC west and split the other 10 games. For a minimum of 9-7.

Gore > Wells (ARI), Lynch (SEA), S Jackson (STL)
V Davis + D Walker > Z Miller (SEA), no names (STL + ARI)
Crabs + Braylon > Fitzgerald + Early? (ARI), Sidney Rice + M WIlliams (SEA), a bunch of guys (STL)

It’s really going to boil down to the QB and O-line play. We can get adequate QB play if the O-line gives them time. If the O-line fails then Staley, Chilo, and Davis are less than what they appear on paper.

I’m excited to watch em this year… but I am every year.

by GB9er on Aug 18, 2011 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

This is an interesting post.

I have to agree about all your player comparisons, but we’re hurting in the QB department, I think.

Alex/Kaep = TJax < Kolb < Bradford, if that makes sense. Maybe THIS WILL BE THE YEAR! for Alex, but it’s far from definite. Of course, if the O-line doesn’t get it together, than we will crumble in spite of it all.

Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Aug 18, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

on paper we win take this division no doubt

But it will always come back to Alex.

"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."

Norm Sloan

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 18, 2011 10:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It will always come back to Alex the O-line being pathetic.

Fixed!

Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Aug 18, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

only if Gore can play the entire year.

I used to like Dixon but now I have my doubts.

by return222 on Aug 18, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Any combo of 49ers receivers > Fitzgerald

AHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 18, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fitz is great but there's only one of him, everyone around him is mediocre

Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Aug 18, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't sleep on Doucet

If Kolb can put it together, I think Early will suprise a few people this year.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.

by Arkie49er on Aug 18, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

I personally think it’s a toss up between Andre Johnson and Fitzgerald as to best receiver of the last decade…

But Edwards is the 2nd best receiver in the division, and Crabtree is better than the jar of peanut butter and side of beef that the other teams have at #2…

Actually, Crabtree may be better than Sidney Rice, and he’s definitely better than Sims-Walker, those teams #1 guys, so it is a no contest…

by Takeo33 on Aug 18, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree...

but one could easily argue that is an unfair analysis. He was on some dog awful Brown’s teams, and the Jets… who pass the football once everyone blue moon.

by Sigelvictory on Aug 18, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure.

On the other hand, if he has a mediocre season this year, he’s got a built in excuse, too: “Who could catch 80 passes from Alex Smith throwing behind that line?”

by Ronaldinho on Aug 18, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think right now I'd take the under.

We should definitely revisit the topic after the preseason, though. Everyone is feeling down on the team now since the first preseason game was horrible, but we still have a lot of time.

Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Aug 18, 2011 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Swept against STL, split SEA and ARZ. There’s 2-4

Lose to Cowboys, Eagles, Bucs, Lions, Giants, Ravens, Steelers.

5-11 at best

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by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 18, 2011 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

We are also better than Seattle and Arizona...

Especially by the end of the season, when we play our division on the road… Split the Rams, sweep the Cards and Seahawks, that’s 5-1…

Not unfeasible at all, we swept the entire division not long ago, with Arizona going to a super bowl… Seattle is the same as they were then, only with a step back in the QB department, Arizona is equal to the Rams, with only 1 proven offensive player and a terrible defense, and these rams are no better than the Arizona teams of 3-4 years ago…

Add a victory over the cowboys(at home) and the record is now 9-7…

This season is even more unpredictable than it normally is…

by Takeo33 on Aug 18, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not unfeasible at all,

No, it’s not unfeasable …

… but it’s also not unfeasable that we’d go 3-3. Heck, it wouldn’t shock me if we went 2-4 (not that I expect it, but I think it’s only marginally less likely than going 5-1, with 3-3 and 4-2 being the most likely outcomes). Swept by the Rams, split with the other two.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 18, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't give it to the Lions either

That will be a low scoring game, and I think our sad offense might trump their sad offense.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.

by Arkie49er on Aug 18, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lions offense

is not sad. When Stafford is healthy, they can put up some points.

by Sigelvictory on Aug 18, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Key words:

when Stafford is healthy. He’s rarely been healthy since he was drafted.

Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...

Ninjames on Anthony Dixon's Tweeting:
"He’s going for the ‘T’ key, he should probably turn to it, but he stops and checks out the ‘R’ key first, then doubles back for a look at the ‘Y’ key, then by the time he decides to go back to ‘T’ to get some words typed, he’s brought down for a two-yard loss, ending up with the ‘G’ key."

by See Jay on Aug 18, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

They still have Shaun Hill,

and even he was able to put up some decent numbers last year in that offense. I guess, my point is that it is unfair to the lions to compare their offense to ours. The were more than 4pts. per game better than us last year, and they play in a infinitely better division.

by Sigelvictory on Aug 18, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, they'll sweep Arizona

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by REDANDGOLD8 on Aug 18, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i would take the under,

I still worry about their abysmal road record.

by BY97ismyhero on Aug 18, 2011 11:03 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

OVER

I think they’ll be fine…

by thebigaristotle on Aug 18, 2011 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

I would probably

take the under… but that is my brain talking and not my heart. I think the niners can surprise people this year, but the O-line had better get it together immediately. I’m not in love with Alex at this point, CK7 is just a kid, and McCown… jesus. If the line doesn’t shape up, we will see all of them play this year, and that has failure written all over it.

by Sigelvictory on Aug 18, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

8 & 8 Team

will show glimpses but will eventually fade due to too many new parts on the team.

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 18, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Under

7-9 , we’re playing tough divisions this year.

by Ni9er on Aug 18, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

but we are talking about a team

That has barely won anywhere outside of san Francisco, like Carolina! I’m not saying there won’t be improvements, but hard to imagine they turn it around that quickly.

by BY97ismyhero on Aug 18, 2011 11:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Singletary was lost... that in and of itself is 2 wins.

Despite crappy coaching, this team, the players, still managed to stay in several tough match ups.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 18, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gimme the under.........

Too much change, 2 fast.

The under is best for the team in the long run anyway, as long as the draft picks are used correctly.

Form a strong foundation that they can build off of for years to come. If that is achieved I don’t care what the record is this year.

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by Italia1970 on Aug 18, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

agreed

I would like to see Harbaugh win and establish a winning culture, but this year is all about development. If we win some great, if we lose some, how did we look doing it?

by mcwagner on Aug 18, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Under

BUT I should say that no one should be wagering on the 49ers this season. They’re a big question mark. After week 1 should know more about weeks 2-5, and the back half of the season will know better on a game to game basis.

They only reason they can go 8-8 is because it’s a weak division and the possibility of going 5-1 or 6-0 exists.

St. Louis I’d take the over. The other three teams I wouldn’t touch.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 18, 2011 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

7-9

But Fooch, if you put this same post up Monday, my answer might (would probably) be different. If the O-line performs better and in turn Alex finds a rhythm in Hardball’s system, I might go as high as 9-7. If on the other hand the O-line is a sieve again, and Alex gets that (excruciating to watch) deer-in-the-headlights look in his eyes, double clutches and/or gets sacked a million times and/or fumbles/hands the ball to a D-linemen, I could go as low as 3-13 and celebrating the ’niners being the winners of the A Luck sweepstakes.

by mwright84 on Aug 18, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I'll take the under

because I’m no genius when it comes to picking the winning bet.

because I’m no genius when it comes to pick the winning bet.

Fixed, before one of you clever gents beats me to it. ;)

by Andrew Davidson on Aug 18, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

4-12

Too many holes filled with stop gap players… most of which would/should not be starters on a Playoff caliber team. No QB, holes on the O-line, a new Coach and Coordinators… this isn’t good. I don’t care how good Harbaugh and his staff are, they can’t get a team ready in a shortened off-season. I don’t see any depth at all at any position, except maybe running back.

Too many high round picks that are not playing up to their supposed abilities (or not playing at all): Anthony Davis (Singletary traded up to aquire him… he should be equal to Iupati), Crabtree (he fell into our laps at #10 and never got off),… Kentwan Balmer, Manny Lawson, Alex Smith and to round out the last 10 years were Rashaun Woods, Mike Rumph and Kwame Harris. 2nd round picks aren’t very good either… which the team only has had 2 picks since 2006…. Taylor Mays & Chilo Rachal.

Up until this year, the team has done nothing to help out the offense via free agency… nothing. I’m now convinced that the front office needs a complete overhaul.

Honestly, there are only 3-4 players on this team that are worth keeping around and are legit stars: Willis, Vernon Davis, Iupati and Staley if he can stay healthy at the LT position. Gore is too old (in RB years) with too many miles on those knees. I would hate to see him leave, but I love the guy so much, I almost want to see him go to a good team, so that I have something or someone to root for during the playoffs.

This team is NOT a 4-12 team, as a whole, but with the coaching changes, less time to get everyone on the same page, and what I think is a poor O-line (who’s main issue is that they just don’t seem to play well together) and the lack of depth… it’s not going to be easy to put points up on the board, forcing the defense to wear down during the end of the game and during the whole season. I mean, you can’t win with a terrible O-line and poor QB’s. A good O-line can at least give a bad QB time… or a good QB can maybe figure out his reads and get the ball out quickly.

I think they have a tough schedule and “might” squeak out 4 wins.

Of course, if the team puts up 40 points this weekend, then I’ll write a completely different answer, stating how amazing the front office is and the team will go 12-4.. so this post was completely pointless, aside from wasting time at work.

by aBulldog on Aug 18, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

So you think Mike Singletary / Jimmy Raye - Mike Johnson was a better coaching combo

Then Harbaugh / Roman?

You’re nuts.

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by Pat Willie on Aug 18, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

When did he make that claim?

He didn’t make that claim in that post, as far as I can tell.

You shouldn’t insult somebody for making claims he didn’t make.

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well lets see.....

He says the 49ers will go 4-12 in 2011
The 49ers went 6-10 last year
4-10 < 6-10
The 49ers are vitually the same team with one extra year experience on the o-line.

So he is pretty much saying that Singletary did a better job last year with less than we have this year than Harbaugh will do this year.

So stop stalking my post and trying to say I’m doing something wrong.

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Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN

by Pat Willie on Aug 18, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harbaugh

Hasn’t had much of a chance to coach yet. The others in the division haven’t had a HC change. That’s a problem.

by (site decorum) on Aug 18, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Singletary had much less coaching experience than Harbaugh....

The non coaching changes for the other teams don’t make that much difference because they had no offseason either.

Plus, every team in this division has at least one new coordinator with a new system and terminology.

by 9thevolution on Aug 18, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are not being fair to him
No QB, holes on the O-line, a new Coach and Coordinators… this isn’t good. I don’t care how good Harbaugh and his staff are, they can’t get a team ready in a shortened off-season.
This team is NOT a 4-12 team, as a whole, but with the coaching changes, less time to get everyone on the same page, and what I think is a poor O-line … it’s not going to be easy to put points up on the board

He’s saying that the lockout will handicap Harbaugh and Co for this season, and he mentions that he thinks this is “NOT a 4-12 team” were it not for coaching overhaul in a shorten offseason.

To go from that to saying that “Singletary is better than Harbaugh” is a straw man argument.

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's much of a straw man

To indicate that our previous coaches and their antiquated offense and soft, prevent defense can get more out of essentially the same team is basically saying that the previous coaches were better; without actually saying that.

We still have the same or better talent at all the same positions and our coaches can actually gameplan and make adjustments. Even with the shortened offseason, I don’t think it’s feasible that we do worse than last year unless our top 2 QBs do get hurt.

by 9thevolution on Aug 18, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I should have clarified:

A: Lockout will limit Harbaugh’s effectiveness
B: I can’t believe you’re saying you think Singletary is better than Harbaugh.

I think B is pulling a strawman there…. Anyway, this is turning into a waste of time or all involved. I think the 49ers can do 8-8 very easily if the O-Line isn’t a turnstile

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brundylop

I wasn’t stuffing anyone with straw, or knocking anyone down.

I read his post as it was written and responded to what he wrote. Was I harsh? Yes. But I was no harder on his opinion than he was on the 49ers whole team, including the coaches. His comment has no faith in any of them.

Look the 49ers are going to be better this year because they are working with the same or better level of skill and a much higher level of coaching.

The consistency is going to be better because we changed O.C. in the middle of last season. The shortened training camp will only account for a slow start, once the train gets rolling there’s no stopping it.

I don’t have any preconceptions the 49ers are a lock for the playoffs, or they are guaranteed any wins at all. But it’s utterly ridiculous to declare them a 4-10 team before the second pre-season game. It’s an insult to the players AND the coaches.

I take offense.

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Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN

by Pat Willie on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Understood.

I have a good feeling about this team, and hopefully we can get good enough to kick John Harbaugh’s ass on Thanksgivin.

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the game I wanna see us win

It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011

Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN

by Pat Willie on Aug 18, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not about who's better.

Traditionally, you see the big impact from a new coaching staff in their second season.

There are exceptions, sure. But especially considering the short preseason, I think that there’s going to be a rough learning curve. It seems unlikely that we’re going to be the exception even if we’re coming off a season where we had the worst coaching I’ve ever seen in the NFL.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 18, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Walsh went 6-10 his first year but it was a 4 game improvement from the previous regime's 2-14 record.

I think Harbaugh can add two more wins to the total off of last years record of 6-10 in his first year by going 8-8 (which could be good enough to get the Niners in the playoffs depending on the Cardinals, Seahawks, and Rams).

Every team from our division has a very tough schedule to start out with. It was no accident that the NFL scheduled several divisional games toward the end with the NFCW. They want the best team from that division to earn their way in by beating their division rivals.

The Niners could be firing on all cylinders by the bye week.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 18, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right.

There’s going to be a lot of despair if we struggle out of the gate, even though it’s expected. My experience is that most fans commit a lot of fundamental attribution error when it comes to evaluating the team – eg, “We just lost three in a row, Smith is terrible!” and “We just won five of six, Singletary really has the heart of this team!” rather than looking at the schedule.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 18, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

can't underestimate the value of wasting time at work

don’t agree with the 4-12 prediction, but good post apart from that

by reedkrase on Aug 18, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is ridiculous

Yes, Alex Smith sucks, but you may note that he also played for the team last year. And he’s probably better than Troy Smith. So it’s not like we’re getting WORSE at the QB position.

Same with the OLine. Yes, it was bad last year. But Staley was injured and Davis was a rookie. Yes, we lost Bass, but I wasn’t convinced he was all that great. Goodwin should be at least an adequate replacement. Assuming we can get Rachal out of there, this line might actually be an improvement on last year’s.

Wide receivers are automatically better by the addition of Edwards. Running backs will be better with Kendall Hunter getting some work (and perhaps being the main BU to Gore).

Defense will be better without Nate “I always bite on the first move” Clements giving out free passes. Aldon Smith and Brooks together should energize the pass rush, along with a more aggressive, blitzing scheme from Fangio.

All that along with Harbaugh instituting an offense that actually confuses the defense (remember the Kansas City game last year where the defenders were calling out our plays before we even snapped the ball?) and I think 4-12 is an insane prediction.

Give me 8-8, with room for upside if things really gell or Alex Smith gets hurt in the first game! ;)

by Joe Como on Aug 18, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think this is the crux of your point at all, but I'm not really sure how

Guys like Rumph, Woods, Balmer and Harris have any affect on what our record would be this year?

Unless you are making the argument that if we knew they weren’t good and drafted elsewhere these other players would be contributing, which isn’t an argument as drafting obviously isn’t an exact science. They were bad choices, in some cases horrible, but that is in the past and they aren’t even on the team.

by Virginia9er on Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a bit baffled by this

Rams 8-8
Niners 8-8
Seahawks 7-9
Cardinals 5-11

by dozybolox13 on Aug 18, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Hedging bets

Pretty much any team in the NFC West has a shot of being 8-8… Cards probably a little less, but still.

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

7-9

that was good enough to win our division last season and I don’t see how this year would be any different…unless of course Snyder is our starting center, then I’ll say under, as in winning the Andrew Luck sweepstakes; that kinda under

by Doni S on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's different,

because the Rams are gonna be much better this year… Bradford, as much as I hate to say it, is gonna be a good one. Now he has some WR’s to throw too… until they all get injured like Rams WR’s tend to.

by Sigelvictory on Aug 18, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see it being more like this at the end:

Rams 9-7
49ers 8-8
Seahawks 7-9
Cardinals 6-10

I think the 49ers will barely miss the playoffs.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 18, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of agree

The Rams are actually a little bit intimidating (From an NFCW perspective). They’re certainly building something there.

by dozybolox13 on Aug 18, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

7-9

i think this year will be used to see what players they want to keep and to get the new systems completely installed.
Next season we take over the didvision, and continue to dominate for years to come. Then i start my ‘Suck It Tour’ where i travel the vast lands in search of friends, family and random people at random sports bars who have gleefully explained to me how awful the Niners have been.

by Aarrgh! on Aug 18, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with this

My expectations are fairly tempered for this season. 2012 though… that’s where I expect to get PAID! :)

by Joe Como on Aug 18, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

OVER/UNDER

Being the degenerate gambler that I am, I feel compelled to comment. As a lifelong 49er faithful, “I could not, should not, would not,” bet against my team. But I think we’ll finish UNDER 7 1/2 wins this year. Why? Need not look any further as to who is once again under center. Game over.

BTW, there was mention of a fantasy football league for NN. Are spots still open? Hope I didn’t miss it. Thanks.

Del Mar Dennis

by Del Mar Dennis on Aug 18, 2011 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought there was a random post the other day

somebody dropped out and they had a hole in one league.

Most of the spots have been taken, if I remember correctly. (Search function at the top, right of the website might help.)

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

new post

I’ll have a new post around 1:30 with some updated information.

by David Fucillo on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

19-0

don’t know why anyone would expect anything less

by reedkrase on Aug 18, 2011 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

22-1 if your counting preseason

"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."

Norm Sloan

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."

Weldon Drew

by EcERyda69 on Aug 18, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read a stupid story in bleacher report this morning...

… and I mean no offense to anybody here who writes for them, some of their stuff is good, but some is pretty odd…

anyway, it actually inferred that the ‘niners might intentionally tank the season in order to secure the rights to Andrew Luck in next year’s draft.

I think that is an absurd idea. No professional athlete/coach that I’ve ever met has it in his DNA to intentionally lose, under any circumstances. They wouldn’t be playing at this level if they were even capable of that. That combined with the fact that it’s Hardball’s first year and he has alot to prove (to himself, don’t think he cares what others think which is a quality I admire in him), and the York’s are trying to close a stadium deal, make the whole idea seem ridiculous to me.

But I’m curious… does anybody here at The Nation think the ’niners might actually do that? And if not, what do you think of writers putting that out there?

by mwright84 on Aug 18, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

in the tournament of badness

I think tanking the season for luck ended up in the elite 8. That gave me a pretty good idea that the vast majority of fans on here think it’s a rediculous idea.

by reedkrase on Aug 18, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is absolutely no grounds for us tanking and any writer that does hurts his credibility and his site.

An ultra competitive person such as Jim Harbaugh cannot fathom losing a game let alone an entire season. He also would not jeopardize his career by allowing his current players to lose respect for him, his fans, and employer. Also added to the fact he moved up into the draft to select a quarterback at the beginning of the second round. How is Andrew Luck a lock anyways? He could slip in the shower and never be the same. He also lost his head coach. Also Drew Bledsoe was just as NFL ready as Luck is, would you tank a season for Drew Bledsoe when you have a talent like Kaepernick on the roster? No one will tank for Luck. Especially since no one has seen him play this year. I wish the best for Luck, but I wish harder for a guy we already have.

by mcwagner on Aug 18, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's absolutely no way....

If there was any thought of “tanking” we would not have drafted Kaepernick and we would have torn down the roster almost completely. It would have looked something like what Seattle did last year. Granted the short off-season prevents it a bit, but it also gives the perfect excuse for tanking.

Even if this team goes 2-14, I highly doubt they take Luck unless the Raiders want to trade a 2nd rounder or better for Kaepernick.

by 9thevolution on Aug 18, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have kind of

Been on a personal vendetta against any mention of it, because…you are right, it is one of the most absurd things I’ve ever heard.

I don’t think there’s a single team in the league that is even thinking about Luck regardless. Now, after the season there might be a few teams that might consider pulling a Ditka for him, but even that is highly unlikely…

by Virginia9er on Aug 18, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fantasy Football

I just tried, but league #9 was full. Any chance to make it any even 10 leagues? This Niner fan would be indebted. Thanks.

Del Mar Dennis

by Del Mar Dennis on Aug 18, 2011 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Fantasy Football

Thanks. I’ll look for your update.

Del Mar Dennis

by Del Mar Dennis on Aug 18, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Under

Only way we have a chance at over is if we get more at QB than expected. And while that seems simplistic, QBs success not only reflects the player himself but also the offense as a whole. Lineman need to block, runners need to run, receivers need to run routes & catch, etc. etc. Last season, all of these things were an issue at one point or another.

Jim Harbaugh is our future!
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Touchdown Forty Niners!
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.

by Effage on Aug 18, 2011 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll take the over ... here's why

I see 8 probable wins, 3 probable losses, and 5 toss-ups. How is that?

Wins: Seattle, at Cinci, Cleveland, at Washington, Arizona, St. Louis, at Arizona, at Seattle = 8

Losses: At Philly, at Baltimore, Pittsburgh = 3

Could Go Either Way: Dallas, Tampa Bay, at Detroit, Giants, at St. Louis = 5

The Niners will probably blow at least one of the Wins (particularly early in the season), but I seriously doubt that they would go 0-5 in the Toss-Ups. I’ll predict an 8-8 or 9-7 record … if nothing else, just the improved coaching staff alone plus free agent additions should be good for at least 2-3 more wins than last year’s fiasco.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 18, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree almost completely.

I might put St Louis as a tossup, and Giants as a likely loss, but still thinking 9-7.

I would go with over, but I could definitely see us with 7-9. Somewhere between 7-9 and 10-6 is my guess, mostly dependent on O-line and health on the D-line. I’m really thinking that the Niners are a lock to be average or better everywhere except the trenches. Not even going to talk about Alex, I don’t feel like it anymore.

by Rhombus on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

reasonable

but I think at Arizona is a likely loss, and Dallas, Giants and St. Louis are also likely losses. Again – it keeps coming back to the same thing – if the offense improves, all of this changes.

by mwright84 on Aug 18, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

arizona loss?

Gotta disagree with that. They upgraded on the offense, but they did nothing to improve upon the NFL’s worst run defense. I think TJ will have a tough time against the defense. Gore should have a pretty good game in both the pass and run offense. I think the D will continue to dominate the card’s offense.

by BY97ismyhero on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

We can beat Philly and Baltimore

We just have to be perfect.

It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011

Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN

by Pat Willie on Aug 18, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can woop mike tyson

as long as I don’t let him hit me…

by Sigelvictory on Aug 18, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno.

I don’t see how we’re the favorites in any of those “tossup” games.

by Ronaldinho on Aug 18, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

OVER!

SB CHAMPSSSS 49ers!!!

by Collin B on Aug 18, 2011 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

We could win the division at 7-9 and still manage to win the SB...

so you lose on the over/under. Hell, I’ll take that 7-9 season and a SB win though.

by 9thevolution on Aug 18, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be hilarious.

Last year all the pundits were like “We must change the rules, so that a 7-9 Seahawks team cannot make the playoffs in the future.”

Then they beat defending SB Champs New Orleans and I think that talk went away.

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's kinda relative...

Seattle won our division going 7-9 & New Orleans was the wild card @ 11-5. Yet it was the 11-5 team who had to go on the road and it was the road team that got knocked out of the playoffs. Is this fair? I can only shrug my shoulders…rules are rules. Of course, the NFL could adopt what the NBA does—3 division winners and the fourth team who is a non-division champ…if they are the 2 seed, they are rewarded w/home court against the 3 & 4 seed division champs respectively. I seriously doubt the NFL would do that though…

by Doni S on Aug 18, 2011 2:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Besides

It’s lots more fun sticking it to the pundits when you can say a 7-9 team beat an 11-5 team in the playoffs

by Doni S on Aug 18, 2011 2:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, Qwest Field's got some good home field advantage

but 11-5 vs 7-9…. If you want to make the argument that a 7-9 shouldn’t make the playoffs, the 11-5 team should win regardless of venue.

by brundylop on Aug 18, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was fair

New Orleans had a complete meltdown on defense that made Matt Hasselbeck look like Joe Montana and the horrible Marshawn Lynch look like a young Frank Gore. It wasn’t very likely that it happened, but even low odds happen.

Seattle would have won that game no matter where they played.

by Ougadas on Aug 19, 2011 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take the Under

That way if we win 8 or more I’m happy, if we win 7 or less I made money.

But I don’t gamble. =(

by Ougadas on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

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