Frank Gore implicated in Miami booster scandal
by smileyman on Aug 19, 2011 7:30 AM PDT
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PrintThis week news broke of a massive booster scandal involving Miami booster Nevin Shapiro and University of Miami players. The scandal goes back to 2002 and involves at least 72 players and a half dozen coaches who knew about the improper benefits. Shapiro also owned a sports agency that signed several players during this time period. Jon Beason of the Panthers and Vince Wilfork of the Patriots (who was reportedly paid $50,000 to sign with Shapiro's agency).
"Hell yeah, I recruited a lot of kids for Miami," Shapiro said. "With access to the clubs, access to the strip joints. My house. My boat. We're talking about high school football players. Not anybody can just get into the clubs or strip joints. Who is going to pay for it and make it happen? That was me."
The list of things that Shapiro paid for is impressive. Night clubs, strippers, prostitutes, hotel rooms, straight cash for players to commit to Miami, trips on his yacht, bounties paid to players based on game performance, jewelry, clothing, travel expenses, big screen tvs. He paid for rims for one current NFL player, a $3,000 engagement ring for another. He paid for one Miami player to have sex with a stripper, and then when she got pregnant he paid for the abortion.
One option being considered is the so-called "death penalty". The NCAA has only exercised this option once, and that was for SMU. That football program has never recovered. At one point it was the best college football program in the country, but it was plagued with booster scandal. When the NCAA killed it's football program, the conference died (the other schools joined different conferences), and SMU never recovered it's former glory.
The list of current NFL players who received benefits while at Miami is long.
According to the report Gore received lunch several times from Shapiro. Not such a big deal you'd think, until you hear this tidbit from Shapiro:
"Frank Gore, I went to lunch with [him] a couple of times. I never had any real serious outlay myself personally, but I do know that my partner, Michael Huyghue from Axcess Sports was heavily recruiting Frank."
"I know Michael Huyghue laid out a considerable amount of money to him. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000 to $30,000. I'm quite certain that was the amount."
Other players named in the Yahoo report are:
Jon Beason (Carolina Panthers)
Calais Campbell (Arizona Cardinals)
Orlando Franklin (Denver Broncos)
Andre Johnson (Houston Texans)
Willis McGahee (Denver Broncos)
Rocky McIntosh (Washington Redskins)
Kenny Phillips (New York Giants)
Antrel Rolle (New York Giants)
Sam Shields (Green Bay Packers)
Jonathon Vilma (New Orleans Saints)
Vince Wilfork (New England Patriots)
DJ Williams (Denver Broncos)
Kellen Winslow Jr. (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Should any of these players receive punishment from the NFL for these violations (assuming they're true)? I'd normally say no, but Terrelle Pryor was recently granted permission to apply for the supplemental draft on condition that he serve a five game suspension at the start of the season. This five game suspension is the same length of the penalty that he was given by the NCAA. It hardly seems fair that he should be punished for a college violation, when these other players did far worse and walk away without any penalty.
For some more juicy details on the benefits the players received check out this article from Yahoo. To whet your appetite: Wilfork got $50,000 to sign with Axcess sports, Vilma was paid over $2,000 in bounties, Antrel Rolle got a $7500 watch and cash gifts totaling $40,000 (the rest of the players are amateurs compared to him); Mcgahee got two custom made suits, some cash, and two plane tickets for the Heisman--one for his gf and one for another woman; Hester got a $3000 engagement ring, clothes, cash, and tickets to see the Heat. Beason got cash, VIP access at clubs, and money paid to him in bounties.
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First of all, this whole “college athletes can’t get money or kickbacks” dichotomy is idiotic. I don’t care if they get paid to go to Auburn, or Oregon, or whatever. I just don’t.
Second, I positively detest the idea of the NFL commissioner being able to levy punishment on current players for college transgressions. These guys are getting paid for what they are doing NOW, and should not have that taken away from them because of something that may or may not have happened far outside the scope of the NFL’s rules and policies. It just doesn’t make sense.
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by See Jay on Aug 19, 2011 7:45 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
+1
but point two is tied to point one. It all depends one whether you care if college players are paid. I don’t, college is the NFL’s minor league, players should be paid for their contributions and provided a better shield against injury.
Fair enough
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Draft
Football (and basketball) players should be drafted out of high school, just like baseball does. NFL teams should have a minor league system, just like baseball. There is too much money and too much corruption in college sports.
"(I)f you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated." Saul Alinsky
that's true
But are you saying the corruption is OK as long as you can root for your school?
The system is broken, badly. What started as a nice weekend diversion from studying has turned into an enterprise with billions of dollars at stake. Who benefits? Certainly not the academic reputation of the schools, or the student body at large. Some have suggested that college athletes should be paid for their labor. I would agree 100% if you took college out of the equation.
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by dianemarie on Aug 19, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would kill college football.
Horrible idea. Kids need to get their education too. And a lot of those college players wind up with degrees and can do other things if college does not work out.
How many of those minor league football players would have life after football? More importantly, if they never go pro, then what? What the next stop? Burger King? Chevron? At least with the education they have a fall back plan.
It would dilute college football.
I think a minor league system would be horrible for a majority of the players that entered.
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That was my intent
College football and college basketball could not possibly be more corrupt (OK, maybe they could, but I hate to imagine how much worse they could be). MLB teams sign players out of high school and assign them to developmental teams if they have the potential to play at the major league level. Other high school players who want a college education still have the opportunity play at the college level. Players from both the minor league system and college have advanced to the major leagues.
So college football as it’s currently configured dies a much deserved death. The only argument for not changing is senseless: What will we do on Saturday afternoon in the fall? Among the arguments for changing are getting rid of the BCS which, if you haven’t noticed, is both subjective and not a series. No one is happy with it.
Thirty-two NFL teams could each have three minor league franchises, A, AA and AAA. Players would advance much like they do in baseball. It’s not a perfect system, but it provides a career path for those with heart and potential. And it eliminates a lot of corruption.
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the thing about a college football education
is sorta blurred. Of all the guys on a given team, I would venture to say maybe 3 to 4 percent of them major in degrees that easily transition into decent careers or high paying ones. Those are usually they ones that don’t allow football to become the most important thing to them…in other words, they’re usually the guys that make the least impact on the field. Its hard to juggle a Bio, pre law, or an engineering major while going through your teen years and at the same time, playing college football…In a COLLEGE environment (for an athlete) no less. Most of those guys will end up w/ some degree in whatever and struggle to find a decent job in whatever recession they graduate into. Of course their are exceptions, but they are exactly that…exceptions.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Aug 19, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I concur
Its absurd that these guys cant get any money or kickbacks. If someone wants to gift them these items or money then let them. There is no reason they shouldn’t. The NCAA is a b.s “authority”. While they’re in college they cant get anything (90% of the time these kids can’t even have a part time job to get a little spending cash), but once they’re pro they can get all the things they want given to them. Does that make sense? No.
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Why stop there
suspend em for getting caught skippin 10th grade geometry too.
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Aug 19, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends
Hard to explain but I’ll give it a shot. I’ll start by saying that I think the NCAA is a joke and many of their rules make no sense. In general I don’t think players should be penalized by the NFL for NCAA violations that were discovered at a later date. I think the gray area is in cases where there are serious criminal actions or in cases like T. Pryor where it is bad for the league’s image. I can understand the NFL not wanting the image of the place where men who are too crooked for college go. After all, most NFL suspensions are really about the image of the game and making the product appealing to as many people as possible.
No, I don't think they should be punished by the NFL
There should be less connection between the NFL and college football, not more. CREATE A FARM LEAGUE. No college affiliation.
How can they consider creating an artificial punishment for breaking the rules of another entity all together? Punish the school, punish the agent, pull any college awards from the players, but the pros are the pros.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
So this guy starts mouthing off from Jail?
bitter much?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
It doesn't make the truth any less true
Whether it’s spoken from jail or from the press box. Now, whether this is true or not is the more important question.
I disagree
Now, whether this is true or not is the more important question.
The more important question is what can be done to change this corrupt system.
College football may be on par with politics as far as the depths of corruption that are accepted as part of the game.
Hypocrisy at its finest
with all the punishment to players for taking money while the colleges and tv companies rake in serious (billions) dough. My opinion is by no means original, but I am so stinking sick and tired of this [site decorum].
None of those figures above really mean anything.
Pretty much what rich kids get over the course of their college lives. Then they go home and a friend of mommy or daddy sets them up in a firm somewhere. When the majority of college athletes are done with school they have a crappy degree in communications or something from a state university. At most they will try and grab on to the little bit of famous persona dangling from the thread of their dreams. One day a drunk guy at a bar will offer them a job on his used car lot.
Let these guys get something.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Haha
My friend did an internship in Manhattan with a Credit Suisse, a large finance firm, and he said 11 of the 12 interns there were athletes. (And not necessarily very intelligent ones.)
Apparently the best predictor of being a CEO of a Fortune 500 company is whether you played sports in college.
supports my point
The fact that they were athletes probably had less to do with them getting those jobs, more legacy.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
If the players committed an infraction of NCAA rules -
- that’s a violation between them, their school, and the NCAA. The NFL has nothing to do with it. You’re talking about events which happened before the players were under NFL jurisdiction.
It seems like an ex post facto increase in punishment.
ex post facto
Exactly so.
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Hah...
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no ex post facto
….ex post facto means that you cant take someone to court for something they did before there was a law made to make that certain act illegal. Lets say murder was legal & you kill someone, then the next day they pass a law to make murder illegal. They cannot take you to court because they made the law after the fact. Hence, Ex Post Facto.
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Right. But -
- in what way did the NFL had a rule on the books which allowed them to punish NFL players?
Is this a power they’ve always had, and just haven’t used before? Or would it be them simply unilaterally deciding that they can do this because they want to?
With a precedent, it’s essentially creating a new category of punishable offenses.
Personal conduct policy
I don’t think there is ground to stand on going after current NFL players from Miami.
But I think there is definitely ground to say "Ok, you want in the supplemental draft, but we didn’t create the supplemental for guys in your situation. If you want in, this is what is going to happen. Don’t like it, wait until the 2011 draft. "
i believe
its because the NFL thinks they can do whatever they want, and if no one challenges them then they will carry on with whatever they want to do. I personally dont think that the NFL is going to punish current players, but if they tried to then they would have a lot of heat coming their way and I wouldn’t be shocked if a player or players decided to take them to court for wrongful punishment and seizure of money if the nfl tried to do such a thing.
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by imjuliooo89 on Aug 19, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not believe the NFL should punish players for what happened in college.
The NCAA needs to un-f&^% themselves first and foremost.
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NFL absolutely SHOULD NOT punish players for college transgressions....
And in the case of Frank Gore specifically, Goodell wasn’t even the commissioner when Gore was in college or entered the league. If he attempts to punish any of these guys, it will be an absolute abuse of power and the NFLPA should immediately step in and file charges or something against the NFL and Goodell.
but thats like saying
if you committed murder ten years ago, its unfair for a judge to sentence you today for that crime.
This issue is the crime and paying for it not who doles out the judgement.
No, that's a poor analogy
it’s more like, you violated the rules of your previous employer, then left that employer, but your new employer wants to dock your pay for those previous violations. I can’t see it flying in any other career field, either.
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Yep, this is the more reasonable analogy...
And it’s not a ‘crime’ to accept benefits from boosters. It may be a violation of NCAA regulations, but it’s far from saying it’s a crime. It’s not as if Gore or any of the other guys on the list were out involved in gang activity or getting DUI or drug charges.
It’s completely bogus if the NFL tries to levy any kind of punishment.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
so you think
college players or even high school players should be allowed to accept money from agents affiliated with schools?
I think that’s kind of dirty. It represents an unfair advantage not only for the school, but also for the other students who might have played there..
If a player knows they shouldn’t be accepting money and its against the rules/laws then you should face whatever music their actions procured.
Trying to say that getting caught after the fact and so therefore players are punishment immune and justifying this makes a really sick precedent.
It has nothing to do with what I think....
or what you think or anyone else, in regards to college athletes being paid. The question here is, should these player’s current employer (the NFL) legally be able to punish them for something they did; which was not a crime, before they were employed. The answer to that question is NO.
The NFL has no grounds to punish these players for accepting benefits while in college.
As for what I think personally, the university itself should be paying their student athletes, or offering better benefits to them, especially if they’re playing a sport that could lead to dabilitating injuries in the future. Boosters paying these athletes though; it does lead to a conflict of interest and can negatively effect recruiting for the schools that don’t have these boosters or follow the rules properly.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
for me the bottomline is
the ncaa has to do its job and shut down the dirty programs or else its going to keep happening again and again.
I don't disagree at all....
I think if some alumni is secretly helping the athletes with cash, and the university is truly unaware and takes action against said alumni and the athletes involved, then the university should not be held accountable.
Are the universities unaware that this is happening though…. absolutely not, they know exactly what is going on and turn the other cheek.
I do think that universities should be paying athletes for their contributions and the NCAA should limit the amount players are paid. If they don’t, then the big universities are going to always be able to pay more and you’ll still see unfair recruiting. Though, even if that happens, there will still be boosters and dirty agents filling the athletes’ pockets with something extra.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
what about the guys who took benefits
and aren’t in the league…do they get a 4 week suspension from their customer service job too?
Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Aug 19, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If no one else is going to say it
I’m dying to know who knocked the exotic entertainer up
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NCAA rules in the NCAA
NFL rules in the NFL. Whether the system is rubbish or not you should be punished for rules you broke within that system and one should not impose upon the other. Then again the NFL has exemptions for all kinds of things.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the NFL did something because college teams threaten their position if they don’t – start paying college players and what does the NFL offer, that college won’t make work for itself in the long run.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if nothing happens because if they institute punishments for one player and more things will come out from uncovered rocks, and that will scare them all.
Well, its crazy to think that athletes are saints or role models on the merits of being an athlete
Some ROTC kids in college get around the rules by using alcohol and mushrooms, and as long they don’t allow photographic evidence, they usually don’t get caught. And these are the people that will become officers of the military. (Note: not all, just some). Now, to think that college athletes don’t want to be getting their proverbial “swerve” on, or be flashing their ice and rims and what-not is just silly. So some bigwig drops in and says “Here ya go, don’t get caught”, you think these people are going to say “Well golly gee, mister. Strippers, diamonds, and cash money just don’t appeal to me, a (likely poor) 18/19/20/21 year old”. This is rightfully the fault of 1) The moneybags agencies 2) Lil Wayne and all these celebrities pushing a certain lifestyle image, and lastly 3) the athlete.
But how many times have people gotten out of trouble on the “I was young and dumb” or “boys will be boys” defenses? Often enough. It’s downright silly for the NFL to push current penalties onto professional athletes for wanting a taste of the good life.
They’re thrust into the national spotlight, they become household names for years and years, and all the while, they’re offered 3 meals a day and a dorm room. Although it is true that the athletes in question should “PLAY BY THE RULES” or “HAVE A MORAL COMPASS” or whatever psycho-babble moral-highground crap that will be thrown at them, they’re in it for the money in the long run, clear and plain.
I’m all for the NFL upholding current punishment levied by the NCAA (Pryor), and I’m a strong supporter of what the NCAA did retroactively with the USC/Reggie Bush matter. But if the NFL was to come down and say “Frank Gore, you’re suspended for x amount of games over a couple thousand dollars a decade ago”, that would be pretty unjust. Strike his NCAA titles, muck up his name a bit in Hurricanes history if you please, but the sins of 20 year old Frankie G (in the NCAA) are simply not the jurisdiction of 28 year old Frankie G (in the NFL).
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i actually go to UM
Im a law student there and it is absolutely ridicolous that they would even consider the death penalty. The U is one of the most iconic schools in the ACC and frankly i completely disagree with the hypocrits who dont allow players to earn money while the schools make millions.
I say pay the man! Or students.
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by afrikabamboodle on Aug 19, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
SMU was an iconic school, too ...
The fact that Miami has been one of the major powers of college football for the past 30 years shouldn’t be a defense. You can’t really be suggesting that if you’re really good for a long time then your crimes become less important? Different justice for rich and poor?
That being said, I haven’t seen anything to suggest that UM’s crimes are on the same order of magnitude as SMU’s. SMU’s administration set about intentionally violating the terms of their probation – it wasn’t even a casual “look the other way” thing, and it wasn’t confined to the coaching staff.
The fact that Miami has been one of the major powers of college football for the past 30 years shouldn’t be a defense.
exactly, and I hope the NCAA doesn’t lighten up the punishment because of that (they will). I’m not sure I’m for them recieving the death penalty, but the punishment needs to be extremely severe. This is a good opportunity to make an example of Miami and deter other programs from doing these kinds of things in the future. I fully expect the NCAA to lowball it though.
yeah but how do you do it fairly across all 120 FBS teams?
plus its a shame no one values the fact that they’re getting a scholarship to go to a university basically for free.
That scholarship has a major stipulation to it
If and only IF, you are ballng at an unbelievable level and makin the school buckets of money. Dont you dare quit on football or we’’ll SNATCH your scholarship and you’ll have to be a dropout. To make it easy on you, we’ll make the football team do everything for you so all you have to do is learn how to do nothing on your own. Now dont go and try to scheme your way into paying for college by getting a part time job or anything…You NEED to be at practice Nothing comes before practice.
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Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.
I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.
by NewAgecorner1 on Aug 19, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
the question is...
did F. Gore take money or didn’t he?
Would you punish high school seniors who cheated on their entrance exams to get into college—even though they were not in high school anymore?
I think the answer is yes. If it gave him a unfair advantage over another person..then he’s got to pay the piper..
Would you punish high school seniors who cheated on their entrance exams to get into college—even though they were not in high school anymore?
That’s not really the right analogy, because if they got into college on the basis of those scores, then the college can rightly feel that it was cheated. The college would be within its rights to say, “We only accepted you because we believed those scores were genuine, so we’re going to throw you out.”
The NFL can’t claim that its teams were misled about player’s abilities because they went to a strip club with a booster.
It’d be more like a college punishing a student because he got drunk once in high school. (Not got drunk and hurt anybody – just got drunk).
to clarify:
how is it fair if the college was creating a dream team of players procured with $$$, cars, strippers and who knows what else—
How is that fair to other colleges who were going about recruiting the right way?
How is that fair to players that wanted to play in Florida and might have had a chance to shine if not for getting bumped?
How is it fair to other colleges those schools played against?
I am still not seeing where you punish the players
Everything you’ve listed there seems like things you’d punish the schools for.
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by Badly Browned on Aug 19, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
it takes two
for prostitution to work…and also for bribery to work..unless the players were minors beforehand in which case it’d be coercion.
I guess I should re-phrase
I still dont see where the NFL gets to punish those players.
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by Badly Browned on Aug 19, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
the nfl steps in and
makes moral judgements on civil cases all the time. When players mess up civicly : pot abuse, loaded guns, dui’s…the nfl often incurs fines, penalties, and suspensions for players..
The NFL does not want to change its name to NTL: national thug league..they work hard trying to help players to avoid those choices and make the right ones.
It's not the same....
The NFL punishes players who are in the league or who are in draft process and about to enter the league for the crimes or incidents they become involved in.
The fact is the NFL has no right to punish current players who made some bad ethical decisions during their college career.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
the more important question
How is that fair to other colleges who were going about recruiting the right way?
I’ve always believe cheating is the norm, not the exception.
by David Fucillo on Aug 19, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, same in the NFL....
Just look at free agency in the past. Guys sign contracts at 12:01 a.m. on the first day of FA and you believe that he wasn’t in talks with another team before FA opened? There’s absolutely no way a team is committing $10m/year without even speaking to a guy.
Cheating happens everywhere and it’s very unlikely to change. Like they say, “If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin.”
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
How is that fair to other colleges who were going about recruiting the right way?
How is that fair to players that wanted to play in Florida and might have had a chance to shine if not for getting bumped?
How is it fair to other colleges those schools played against?
It’s not fair. And if those other colleges or players wanted to make a claim, that’d be one thing.
But the NFL has nothing to do with them. We’re talking about the NFL punishing them. That’d be like you suing me because I broke someone else’s nose – it’s irrelevant. The fact that I wronged someone else doesn’t give you any standing to get involved in the matter.
Completely differing arguements...
What you’re saying above is more comparable to taking PEDs than accepting some money from a booster. Gore or anyone else named in this article isn’t a better football player, or has a higher draft stock and stands to make more money in the NFL, just because they accepted some funds that they weren’t supposed to.
They may be subject to NCAA violations, which could include any combination of things, from being stripped of stats and records, to potentially losing their degree if they were on a scholarship. The NFL has no grounds to punish them with fines or missed playing time.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
i see your point
obviously ncaa punishments against this type of activity aren’t enough to detour players from this route.
I remember scandals from the 90’s of stuff like this…
You think they would clean it up by now.
College football and other college sports will likely for all eternity, be dirty....
It’s not going to stop now or ever and there will always be someone to find a way around getting caught.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
i dont agree
with your subject heading..
have you ever been to Singapore? They have a different take on the law..they actually enforce it. Some would say quite to the extreme..but there’s a reason they have some of the lowest crime rates on the planet.
It comes down to the punishment exceeding the ill gotten gain received..if bank robbers only got 3 months and a slap on the wrist for robbing they’d probably do it a whole lot more…
I agree. I believe it's also the cleanest country in the world
because chewing gum is banned, littering is probably jail time and graffiti is a whipping of some sort haha.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Aug 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
heard about a dealer who came in through the airport and
who ignored the three signs stating death for drug dealers..walked past the amnesty box…dead by excecution in 10 days. They don’t play around there..
Now the point is not to get draconian but get the sleazy boosters/recruiters that do this.. How about this as punishment: 3 year jail sentence and 1 mile ban from any university/athletic field-and prohibition from speaking with players?
The NCAA is not the federal government...
It’s just as ridiculous a notion as congress wasting its time trying to find out which baseball players are using steroids. Thanks for asking that my tax dollars pay to house and feed a federal inmate who did nothing but give some money to a student athlete.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is true...
but let’s say that the NCAA does crack down on corruption to the most extreme level it can, plenty of school’s teams would be shut down for good and it would adversely effect the NCAA itself; which makes money off of said programs.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah which is my point,
Corruption will never end because the ones in charge are corrupt. They would only hurt themselves and any punishment doled out is simply to get people off their backs about them turning a blind eye. Any athlete or school is simply a scapegoat.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Aug 19, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah ultimately the problem is not the players,
The money that they receive is just chump change to many of these boosters. It’s the administration and all the corrupt people trying to take advantage of players that are the problem. You still have the same corrupt people making the same nonsensical rules that are targeting the wrong people.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Aug 19, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
One is tempted to think that they don't particularly care.
Although if they did pull out the death penalty for Miami, that would suggest that they did.
Mostly agree but...
student athletes from poor families that have to work are at a huge disadvantage to cheaters who are taking cash from boosters, both academically and athletically. If one doesn’t have to spend time working and can completely focus on athletics they will become a better athlete. That doesn’t guarantee they become NFL material, but it might prevent the working guy from reaching his potential.
The academic portion you are absolutely right....
If an athlete doesn’t have to focus on his studies and can breeze by while the university turns the other cheek, then it’s a major issue for the lesser athlete who has to focus on both while trying to acheive the same dream (NFL career). That rests on the university itself and should absolutely not be tolerated.
As for the cash thing, the same can hold true if that “lesser athlete” also has to hold a part-time job plus study and train as well. This seriously limits his ability to focus primarily on the athletic side of his schedule.
I agree that this is unfair to other student athletes, but they are not at fault for either of these, even if they know it is morally wrong.
The main issue is that the NFL should not be able to punish the players for past transgressions.
by 9thevolution on Aug 19, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not just that in my opinion.
The way I see it, the NCAA itself is ran by greedy people and you can change and remove whatever policies you may hate, but in the end, the ones choosing to do so are out there to benefit themselves. No matter how much you try to fix and upgrade a house, if it’s built on a crappy foundation then it’s always going to end up breaking down.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Aug 19, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate to nitpick
but the death penalty has been used a total of 5 times, but only once for a football program. (link)
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