49ers 53-Man Roster Projections: Locks And Question Marks
by David Fucillo on Aug 2, 2011 10:35 AM PDT
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PrintThe significant portion of free agency is coming to an end and while the 49ers do appear to still have some holes on their roster, we can start to better assess what the 53-man roster could look like in five weeks from now. Matt Maiocco has begun a preliminary look at training camp performances, focusing today on the defensive players. We're less than a week into camp but after the first day off, now is as good a time as any to start assessing how folks are improving or hurting their chances of making the roster.
After the jump I've broken down the current roster into three groups. The first is "53-man roster" and is the group that of players I feel are locks or I have a lot of confidence they'll end up on the roster for one reason or another. This group could obviously chance with additional free agency moves. Given the delay in getting a deal done with Aubrayo Franklin I've left him entirely off the list. Might as well not tempt karma multiple times.
The second group is "question marks". These guys have something about them that raises just enough doubt that I'm not quite prepared to move them on to the 53-man roster quite yet. There are some guys on the 53-man roster that would be question marks for you, just like there are people I consider question marks that you would post as locks. A good example of this would be a guy like Alex Boone. I think there is a good chance he makes the 53-man roster, but with a new coaching staff it is really hard to tell what their long-term plan is at the tackle position. Right now he would appear to be the best option for the swing tackle role, but I'm holding off for now. He is arguably as close to a lock as any of the question marks, but we'll see how it plays out.
The final group I've described as "unknown/longshots" because I simply don't know enough about them to say for certain where they belong.
As it currently stands, I have 39 players on my 53-man roster, 22 players as question marks, and 20 players as unknowns. I've got a few more comments after the 53-man roster following the jump.
53-MAN ROSTER
QB
Alex Smith
Colin Kaepernick
RB
Frank Gore
Anthony Dixon
Kendall Hunter
WR
Michael Crabtree
Josh Morgan
Kyle Williams
Ronald Johnson
OT
Joe Staley
Anthony Davis
OG
Mike Iupati
Chilo Rachal
Daniel Kilgore
NT
Isaac Sopoaga
Ricky Jean-Francois
OLB
Aldon Smith
Parys Haralson
Ahmad Brooks
ILB
Patrick Willis
NaVorro Bowman
Scott McKillop
CB
Shawntae Spencer
Tarell Brown
Phillip Adams
Chris Culliver
S
Taylor Mays
Reggie Smith
Madieu Williams
Some may ask why I include Daniel Kilgore and not Alex Boone. I think the team's decision to use a fifth round pick on Kilgore and their long term need at center is the biggest reason. Chase Beeler is certainly a long-term option at center, but considering he's an undrafted free agent, he automatically falls into the question mark category. I could not justify including any undrafted rookie free agents in the 53-man confidence group because by their very nature they had question marks coming out of college.
Barring a huge rush of moves over the next few weeks, over half the questions marks will likely end up on the 53-man roster. I simply did not feel comfortable saying with some level of confidence that in five weeks these players are guaranteed to be on the roster. Some will end up on the 53-man roster, some will end up on the practice squad, and some will be looking for work.
QUESTION MARKS
RB/FB
Jack Corcoran
TE
Colin Cloherty
Konrad Reuland
WR
Ted Ginn
Dominique Zeigler
Kevin Jurovich
OT
Alex Boone
OG
Michael Person
C
Chase Beeler
NT
Ian Williams
DE
Will Tukuafau
OLB
Thaddeus Gibson
Antwan Applewhite
S
C.J. Spillman
Curtis Taylor
Colin Jones
Chris Maragos
Utility
Bruce Miller (FB/OLB)
Jeremiah Masoli (RB/QB/Returner)
UNKNOWNS/LONG SHOTS
QB
McLeod Bethel-Thompson
RB/FB
Xavier Omon
Seth Smith
WR
Tyler Beiler
Joe Hastings
Chris Hogan
Lance Long
OL
Donovan Edwards
Derek Hall
Nick Howell
Chris Patrick
Kenny Wiggins
DT
Sealver Siliga
DE
Brian Bulcke
Demarcus Dobbs
LB
Alex Joseph
Kenny Rowe
DB
Cory Nelms
Anthony West
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Please... No Morran Norris!
this guy needs to retire. He simply cannot do it any longer. I know Frank Gore and him are buddies. But come on, Norris simply can no longer pave the way for Frank.
we need a consistant, bull dozer to play fullback. Norris today is like a ford pinto trying hard, be he simply does not have the power to push anything.
Look, I know he's not elite
And that he’s declining. But Norris is still one of the strongest guys on the roster (works out with the 200 pounders like Soap IIRC) and we don’t have a readily available upgrade. Whether or not that should have been addressed in the offseason is moot because it wasn’t. Norris is the best choice going forward, even if he’s not the sexy pick.
by See Jay on Aug 2, 2011 11:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Miller or Corcoran should win that starting job.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
agree with the miller or corcoran as fb.
There is no reason Norris should make this team. If Willis couldn’t keep his TKO, Gore definately shouldn’t be allowed to keep his Moran.
by wtlichens on Aug 2, 2011 4:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Norris is not athletic, can't catch, can't do much other than the occasional head-on-block...
not a fit
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He's more of a fit than
-the injured 7th round position-changing rookie
-the sophomore running back who can’t even hit the hole, let alone hit a block
-any random UDFA
VD and Delanie Walker can fill that athletic blocker/receiver niche, too, if not in the same way.
The injured position changing 7th round pick
Duh ;)
by See Jay on Aug 2, 2011 10:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Applewhite, Gibson, Grant and WIlliams all make the team a long the defense
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 10:53 AM PDT reply actions
I do not see larry grant making this team.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Was real solid
in limited action for St. Louis last season. It was an extremely solid depth signing
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
real solid which is why they cut him and he was cut once already from the niners.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
So anybody who's ever been cut is a sucky player?
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53 man roster
Looks like one of the weakest 53 man rosters in the league at the moment.
And
you have looked at the other 53 man rosters? Just wondering
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Frankly, Im worried its the weakest roster in the NFC West
You gotta be able to compete and beat the teams in your division before you even think of anything else.
cardinals and seaducks o-line is going to be really solid(sarcasm)
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Norris...
I don’t know if I can stomach another season with this guy
by Jesse Reed on Aug 2, 2011 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...lets all hope the 9ers coaches are studying game tape...
of the last 2 seasons with Moran Norris failing at fullback. I can’t believe Coach Rathman of all people thinks Moran Norris is the answer this season.
By the way, i don’t enjoy taking shots at players. But I also don’t enjoy seeing sub-standard play on the field. Moran Norris years ago was a very good physical fullback. But that was then, and this is now. Moran Norris simply not longer has it and has not had for the past 2-3 seasons.
Norris
While I dont want him back, I dont know if he is cut.
He is one of Gore’s best friends. Gore loves running behind him. I mean Norris is a good blocker, just cant catch for his life.
a good blocker?
maybe seasons ago that was true… but have you seen him play the last 2 seasons?
Three responses ...
1. Norris hasn’t been a “good blocker” since 2008.
2. He can neither run the ball nor catch it.
3. Who cares what Frank Gore thinks? He’s not running this team (I hope)! If I were the GM, Frank would be on a very short leash … I wouldn’t accept direction from an aging, oft-injured running back.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 2, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
I wanna see Grant, Applewhite and my boy Ian Williams play.
I hope the 2 LBs provide good depth, while I want Ian as a backup, but if Franklin does return, that may be against Williams in a bid for a spot.
I think Ian Williams will make the team. niners usually carry 6 lineman and as of now they have four vets and two rookies need to make the team.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone know if Blaine Sumner has signed with any other team?
If not, why the hell haven’t the Niners signed him? IMO he has substantially more potential than Williams will ever have.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 2, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd really like some of the long shots to make the team
Like Beeler, Kristick, Boone, and Jurovich.
by See Jay on Aug 2, 2011 11:09 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder of they are only going to carry 2 QB's.
They may keep Masoli on the PS and bring him up if need be. I guess he is retaining the playbook really really well. And doing pretty decent in practice with the second team QB snaps.
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Alex Smith is no longer a rookie
why would the QB whisperer need an old vet that can’t hear whispers anymore?
It's a possibility.
But it won’t be a guy like Bulger or someone like that. It would most likely be a Troy Smith type of guy. I think the focus is on Alex and Kaep and they will not ruin that focus by bringing in another capable QB.
I actually think it would be unwise to bring in a vet just because with an UDFA, you can develop and trade for draft picks. May as well take advantage of Harbaugh while he is here.
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I pray we get a cheap QB with an upside
e.g. Josh Johnson
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
STOP!!!!
Please people stop with the Josh Johnson crap. We are not going to trade for a 3rd string QB. There is ZERO logical sense behind the notion.
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Of course there is
First, he isn’t a 3rd string QB. Second, Johnson’s value to TB is bottoming out. Third, Alex Smith is the same Alex Smith we’ve known for 7 years and legitimate or not IS the veteran on the squad—not need to pay millions for another low end vet. Fourth, Kaepernick shouldn’t be thrown to the dogs his first year—he is a project QB. Fifth, JJ’s cap hit is tiny.
And really, it doesn’t have to be Josh Johnson. I just used him for illustrative purposes. Young qb + cheap + upside = compete for the first or second QB spot.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Naw, his value is to us now
Kaepernick needs to develop in the traditional way and if we tank this season there is a strong chance we draft a QB and Kaepernick goes the way of Jimmy Clausen.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
What's worse?
Trading for JJ or tanking the season for AL?
To clarify
I don’t think either would happen, I just mean reading the posts.
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Masoli
I like the idea of using him on special teams in games and as 3d string QB in practice. 3d QB always seems like such a waste of space. Would be nice to use that roster spot for someone who will be contributing elsewhere.
it's supposed to be an emergency QB anyways
if you lose 2 QB’s in one game, that’s a freak thing. Lose one, go get another or bring 3rd QB up and see if he can hack it as backup.
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I was thinking Justin Smith
he can do everything else well…
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Frank Gore can run the wildcat
Just go to wishbone-wildcat… Gore at the helm, Dixon and Hunter to the right and left.
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Willis a QB-3
great idea, but we’d need a contingency play-book. For willis every play he’d throw a hail-mary pass. If our guys caught it, great, if the other team caught it then it would be up to him to force a fumble.
In fact, screw the kaep. project, screw alex smith, let’s get willis in there now!
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Masoli is going to make the team. 3rd qb and he is going to be in on some running plays.
I think harbaugh is going to be running some trick plays with him.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
With This Roster
We can compete with the Bills, Bengals, Redskins, and Panthers for that coveted Andrew Luck pick.
Really?
Is that really what you think they would do? Even with the 1st overall pick you really think they would pick A. Luck? You don’t think there would be more glaring holes to fill esp since they trade up to get Kap in the 2nd?
if we get the first overall pick, it likely will be on Luck
even with Kaep. I am just sick and tired of hearing about this. Drew Bledsoe was an Andrew Luck. Would you tank the season for Drew Bledsoe?
Bledsoe won a Superbowl
Troy Aikman
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Michael Vick
Carson Palmer
Sam Bradford
Matthew Stafford
What are QBs I’d rather have starting for the 49ers?
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
teams win SB
QBs do not
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by manraj7 on Aug 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
With a QB
The Niners are just a move or two away from competing. The problem has been that we’ve been locked out of the QB market for about six years.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
thats true
I have hate the “Tank for Andrew Luck” talk. Its [site decorum]ing annoying. We aren’t the worst team in the NFC West let alone the entire league.
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that makes a lot of sense
I kept wondering why all those other guys were out there
Bledsoe
He was on a Super Bowl winning team and was starting QB in the Super Bowl they lost against Green Bay but he never won a Super Bowl as a starting QB if I remember correctly.
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by Haggardninja on Aug 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
asmithisaverage posted he won a Super Bowl. I’m not trying to take anything away from Bledsoe. I always liked him as a QB.
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by Haggardninja on Aug 2, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
though he did win the AFC Championship game to get them in when Brady went down.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
No reason
to put Smith in that category. He has had more success than any of those players, and that isn’t saying much
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, it is about a 50/50 shot
so karma should be on our side this time?
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh we won't get Luck
We’ll win a meaningless game to put us out of the running. Have no fear.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
TE's, they will roster at LEAST 3 TE's, maybe 4, or one on PS
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im sorry...
but it sounds like we have no talent, i understand Harbaugh can ‘coach players up’ but you also cant develop talent thats not really there. Between our lack of retaining our own players which every other franchise good and bad seemed to do this offseason, and our stagnant attempt at free agency, i dont see how we improved. If anything we took a step back. And a franchise QB cant play defense, cant rush the passer, cant tackle, cant run block, so i doubt Andrew Luck is worth all the ‘savior’ or ‘tank the season’ talk. Were not even replacing players, just letting them walk? why not trade them last season for something???? anything?
ya, no talen.
no
patrick willis
no
vernon davis
no
aldon smith
no
frank gore
no
justin smith
no
colin kaepernick
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
dude those guys have no talent
and no athletic ability
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totally agree. baalke needs his head examined.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
still wondering how he became GM
its not like he spent years scouting players for talent
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Joking right?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry?
You have Kaepernick and Smith on this list like they’ve proven something. You can’t put them in the likes of Davis Willis Gore and J. Smith in regards to what they mean to our team. They have proven NOTHING. They could get season ending ACL injuries every year for all we know, IF they live up to the “potential.” You take away those 2 on that list and we have… Gore, J.Smith, Davis and Willis. 4 great players on a 53 man roster. This is one of the many reasons people aren’t jumping for joy about our team.
Kristick, Grant, Boone, Williams, Tukuafu, Gibson, Applewhite, most of the Safeties
I expect to make the team as well
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why do you think most of them will make it? there are seven safeties right now?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretend like we have all-pro players and wait until we see them on the field
The alarmist thinking isn’t helping you, nor is the team going to listen to you. They have a plan, they are the paid football minds, we influence nothing.
It was just an acorn.
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I don't think we are totally doomed but it won't exactly be very easy to make playoffs.
I am not anticipating playoffs this year. And usually I am one of the bigger homer’s on here preseason.
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Even if we retained all of our own FAs we would have still been behind the other teams.
New HC, New OC and DC and most of the position coaches and new offense and defense schemes.
I like the idea that they will see what they have and go from there. I want to see what these young kids can do.. and I bet several of them show that they belong.
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That is a great point.
Other teams may have UDFA QB’s that do great in preseason but still wind up on a PS squad. I am sure we can rob someone else’s roster after preseason.
It’s not like the guy would be starting anytime soon so we would have all year to work with whoever it is.
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Glass is half full approach.
We only finished one game out of 1st under Singletary… a completely incompetent coach.
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I just wonder how much Alex Smith will improve this year under Harbaugh.
If we go back and look at his play in 2006 under Turner, and with this experience he has under his belt, I just wonder which direction it will go for him.
I think he can throw 20+ TD’s this year. Worried about picks and incompletes though.
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The O-Line will determine a lot how much...
Alex Smith improves. Yes, a lot is on Alex himself. But no matter if its Alex or Colin, if the guys up front don’t block well (that sadly may appear to include Norris) our Q.B. going to sacked and our R.B. going to get stuffed.
I think in the beginning of the season
We will see a lot of very quick passes. Lot of slant stuff over the middle. I am nervous about that though… especially with Crabtree having issues with his foot.
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Said another way, his least effective passing is anything shorter or longer than 15-20 yards
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
which makes no sense to me
He can hit the mid route, but then throws short routes over the head of the receiver!
And maybe one in three when Davis is breaking away at 30+ yards.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
1/3?
I can’t really recall too many misses to Davis on that seam route way down field.
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Well then that is just confirmation bias seeping through
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Go find me some highlights of Alex missing Davis on those routes. Until then zip it up.
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You want me to find "highlights" of Alex Smith missing open receivers?
I’ll sift through if you send me the youtube link. Would have to be major schadenfreude for someone to watch those players otherwise.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
players = plays
And for the record, I know you know you are asking me to prove a negative.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that meaningful?
No one uploads bad throws to youtube.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I asked already
you find me the video and I will sift through it. Or are you saying Alex Smith never has missed an open receiver down the middle? That’s just laughable.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's my proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sydbsEVt428
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Oh grow up
People make highlight clips all the time so no surprise you ran to a premade one. No one makes lowlight clips.
I stand by my statement and so does VD if you asked him.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
couldn't find a true lowlight video for smith
just same clips of boneheaded plays
lol
Still, there is more love for Alex Smith after seven years of mediocrity.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Naw
Alex Smith is an endearing character. I’m sure I’d like him in-person. Harris really didn’t connect on any level.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZwRoWNzZIg&feature=related
Surely you can find something with all the Alex Smith haters out there. There’s got to be something out there. Only problem with that is that I will poke holes in every single play.
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OMG you can link highlight videos which prove nothing
congrats on letting your confirmation bias win over rational thought
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It's called visual evidence on what I am speaking of
which is more than what you have done with these sort of comments.
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So you're visual evidence proves Alex Smith can connect with Vernon Davis
I didn’t deny that. We agree they can complete a pass. It is almost as if you don’t understand how that doesn’t disprove what I said: Alex Smith more often than not misses Vernon Davis even when open on longer routes.
Honestly, this should not be a shock to you. I have grave concerns that you can’t handle this basic truth. Alex Smith is just an average QB.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Bu that's the thing, you are wrong.
He has great chemistry with Davis… just not so much the others.
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You realize missing 1/3 of the time at 30+ yards is normal right?
You really flipped out over a non controversial statement.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
check this one out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt2wXwNNzD8&NR=1
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
that gets me pumped up.
I think harbaugh is planning on vernon davis having a record breaking year.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably will.
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he can have a 2,000 yard season, would not be surprised. walker could have a 500 yard plus season
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
VD has a 2k season
thats crazy
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Wouldn't be too surprised
He was on the cusp of similar numbers in 2009 and 2010. If he can limit mistakes, the receivers step up and the scheme works to his benefit these numbers are not out of the realm of possibility
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Just lake every year.
“If” he can do this, “if” he can do that. “If” he can not throw a pick at the worst possible time. When will this team learn that this guy just can’t get it done? Yeah, I’ll be eating my words if he has a great year, but don’t count on it. SF ruined what chance this guy had to be big, and he will never recover. 6 years of mediocrity is my proof.
If you look at it, this isn't a long shot prediction
Last season prorated over a 16 game schedule
3,792 Yards, 22 TD, 15 INT
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if alex smith will be the starting qb..............
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That is something that can be fixed with the right coaching
Adrian Peterson had major issues, but that went down quite a bit in 2011 if I am not mistaken
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Haven't heard much from him lately
after he tore it up his rookie year.
Was there a decline in play, or just Favre media vortex?
haha I've been in school too long
I saw your “taring” and thought you meant “tare-ing” as in, setting scales to 0.
Too much time writing science lab reports X_X
I know, it was obvious
I just wanted to tell everyone how much time I spend in the lab and how much life it drains from me.
I like what we're doing.
I mean, it’s not going to be fun to watch, but bringing in expensive FA’s this year just doesn’t seem smart. We had a shortened offseason, brand new coaching staff, new schemes, new regimen for the players etc. Let Harbaugh see exactly what he has, let the coordinators tinker with their schemes to find out what works and get the needed players, let the players learn their roles so it will be easier for newcomers to know theirs. Hell, we might even win a couple games with this group.
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Big Concern...
So far, it appears to me that the Rams-Cards-Hawks all have overall top to bottom stronger rosters versus our overall roster.
I just did some math about Alex Smith that really shocked me
I listed it above, but it seems worth repeating. If you prorate Smith’s 2010 stats to a 16 game season, this is what you get
3,792 Yards, 22 TD, 15 INT
You add the fact that we have a QB guru and offensive minded head coach, I expect those numbers to improve.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:00 PM PDT reply actions
Not a huge fan of prorating stats
but still, rather shocking.
Do you mind posting the bare minimum data/proof?
I can post advanced statistics
He was right at or above average in all major advanced passing statistics according to pro football reference. In fact, he was above average (which is good) for interception percentage and passer rating index.
His yards per game, yards per attempt and yards per completion were all career highs as well. One interception for every 34.2 pass attempts was extremely solid as well
What do you mean by bare minimum data/proof?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I just wanted a description of what you did
Surely you didn’t just multiply his stats by a number, did you? Like if he played 8 games, you didn’t just double everything.
Oh
No, i divided the amount of each statistic by the games he played than multiplied that by 16 games.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It sounds like you did what I thought you did
But okay, that makes sense. I guess that’s the definition of prorating.
It is
I could utilize different variables as someone who loves too, but I really don’t have the energy or time to do that at this point. May do a front page post in regards to that ala Danny, in the future
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Prorating doesn't really convince me
but I’m still a little surprised how high those numbers look, especially with Sing coaching a Raye / Johnson-using-Rayebook offense
I guess that was my point
an improved offensive line and much better scheme should enable those number to increase a great deal
So,
3,800 Yards, 27 TD and 13 INT isn’t completely out of the question
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
That isn't happening
But, it is nice we don’t really have to worry about getting a vet backup because CK can step in and is far above where many thought he was
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still an Alex Smith backer
but it’s gotta be chewing him up inside to watch from the sidelines while this happens.
I'm interested if this is actually true
We will see if Harbaugh believes it if he doesn’t bring in a true 3rd QB. Would love to see Kaepernick succeed, just don’t want to be 2-7 when he gets the chance.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 2, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I plotted out his career number and did a best fit graph for each.
Then I took the average of the Polynomial fit and the Power fit. That’s how I got these numbers.
There you go
That is something I didn’t have time to do. Thanks
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I would assume his best fit graph
would be rather stable.
Plus I think you should throw out his rookie season. Who was on the O-Line then?
The whole offense?
His rookie season was the worse 49er team since the late 1970s
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
And regarding Crabtree...
I think his foot injury re-surfacing again is very alarming for his short and long term future.
im not sure, but if im reading his situation correctly, his foot will again, for the second time in his short career, need a minimum of 6-8 weeks to heal. And, the worst part if he injured the same foot two times already, then good chance his foot could develope into a chronic thing. Not to mention, yet, once again Craptree is missing a camp and will be way behind.
Crabtree
won’t sit out the 2011 season. He has too much to prove to himself and others. Those issues can be taken care of immediately following the season
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone needs to break in his shoes for him before he puts them on.
Needs to not lace ’em up so tight.
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Really good news from 49er training camp
Ronald Johnson: Perhaps the most-impressive looking of the wideouts in the early days of practice. He and Kaepernick have hooked up on some deep corner routes. He has also been working as the deep man on kickoff returns.
Colin Kaepernick: He’s been taking the first-team reps. His arm strength stands out on the field. So far, he looks pretty good. He had made some tremendous deep and intermediate throws. Some of his shorter passes have been off target and very difficult to catch because of the velocity with which he throws. All in all, a nice beginning for the rookie.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions
ya he is having trouble with the short passes but supposedly he is really good on intermediate and deep passes
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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
I dunno
but my guess is Oug knows he used to coach. Does anyone know if he has been getting better with it?
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Its all about
experience, as I noted below Romo had issues in the past with throwing it too fast on the short/intermediate routes. That is something that can be fixed with the right coaching
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh Noez! Drew!
Your boy Kyle Williams is gonna lose to Rojo. Rojo cares too much about his children to drop them.
Doesn't he put a seatbelt on his baby when he drives with it
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
made me LOL still
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
well we already have the #1 overall pick
so we must have
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
Good point... Can't believe I missed the whole season... bummer
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I know I was so excited for it
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
probably
I’m always in class when things happen
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
makes sense
you’re at school during normal work hours, which is when things would happen, especially with a 3 hour time shift btw east and west
they do it to spite me
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he's dropping
down the depth chart! hahaha
No, though. I hope the 2 beat out Ginn and Ziegler for 3a 3b. Hell, maybe even Morgan for the 2
I am still rolling with Williams as 2nd on the depth chart when it's all said and done.
We are only 3 or 4 days in to camp. Let’s see some games…
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I was watching his highlight clips
and I know it’s not right to evaluate talent on just highlights, but I’m surprised he fell to the 6th
Yeah, ASU doesn't draw a ton of scouts because of dumbass Erickson
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The news on Jhnson doesn't surprise me.
I think he can be a pretty solid player.
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The news on Johnson doesn't surprise me.
I think he can be a very solid receiver for us.
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doesn't alex have the same problem
Some of his shorter passes have been off target and very difficult to catch because of the velocity with which he throws.
Somewhat
velocity issues are important in terms of the WCO because there will be a lot of those short/intermediate routes run. However, he just needs to lay them in there better. This is an issue that Tony Romo had in the past in terms of throwing the ball too fast on the shorter routes. Not a bad problem to have, especially with Harbaugh there to mentor him
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame "camp alex" for this. alex must have told kaepernick to nail it every time on the short passes. thanks alex.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
49ers to sign........wait
Joey Haynos Link to player
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:40 PM PDT reply actions
Its something
He did start six games for Miami in 2006 with 19 receptions and 2 TD
WINNING
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Only drew can look at a 49er
and think anus JK>LOL
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Guy is a monster
6’8, 270lbs TE. I put him right up there with Jack corcoran
49ers sign…………………CB- Phillip Davis
Am I teasing you with all these MAJOR signings?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:42 PM PDT reply actions
FO's problem in the FA
is actually due to an internal rule that only allows them to sign a player if another player already on the roster shares a name with the new player.
That explains why crazy names like Nnamdi were not welcome
But Jonathan and Joseph are common names….
I totally forgot we had a Reggie Smith too
Dang that’s a lot of smiths!
Alex, Troy/Aldon, Justin, Reggie
Undrafted free agent
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Our future! just have patience
2011 season can't come quick enough..
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Roman empire
wasn’t built or destroyed over night
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was destroyed in a night?
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
i hope someone was
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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
What a cookie?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
told you it will be an undrafted free agent who they sign.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
only 5'9
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69576&draftyear=2011&genpos=CB
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 2, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
our four TEs now weigh well over a grand LMAO
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
That seems normal
They only need to weight more than 250, which I think is not too crazy for NFL players
More like
1120 pounts between the four
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Minnesota Vikings
released Bryant McKinnie
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 1:01 PM PDT reply actions
Dude
was one of the best tackles in the NFL as of 2009. Just worried that one of the other three NFC West teams bring him in. Would be par for the course
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't think there is good reason that the Vikings let him go?
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Fat and overweight
But, doesn’t have a history of that, so it can be fixed in short order
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 2, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Cards may take a stab at him, but I am not worried about him.
Niners defense will be blitzing a lot more this year and he has slow lateral movement nowadays. His probowl days are long gone.
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MORAN! why can't we just use a TE at fullback?
does Moran get cut thursday? What about Ginn…terrible WR hands.
I think they were using Byham a little here and there before he got injured.
Not that long but I think that could be part of the plan.
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Have a hard time seeing Norris as the starting FB this year.
He has hands like fryin pans… The WCO that Harbaugh runs requires a well-rounded TE. Blocking, Hands, Speed, etc
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Aubrayo Franklin, who visited the 49ers yesterday, has signed with the Saints instead, ESPN reports. Sopoaga to play NT after all.
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Enjoyed the article
As others have said, Norris was the one I was surprised at. Not because I disagree (I don’t know anything( but just because the mood music around him didn’t feel like a lock. I guess I also raised a slight eyebrow at Spiller – is he not a little more certain than that? Maybe not?
FULLBACK
I LIKE MILLER AS OUR STARTING FULLBACK AS HE HAS THAT SPUNKY FIRE THAT YOU NEED FROM A PLAYER AND HE SEEMS TO BE IN THE RIGHT POSITION AT THE RIGHT TIME. GIVE HIM A CHANCE…..HOW DO WE PROTECT D.BOGAN THIS YEAR AS I THINK THIS KID IS A DIAMOND IN THE DEEP MINES OF ALL DIAMOND MINES, HE’S GOING TO BE THE NEXT LEGEND OF WIDE RECEIVER’S TO COME FROM THE NINER’S AND HE WILL BE CANTON BOUND WHEN ALL SAID AND DONE…….THE DO~ZIEK AT WR CAN BE A NUMBER 2 GUY IF HE CAN STAY INJURY FREE….IT IS NO SECRET HE IS THE BEST ROUTE RUNNER WE HAVE AND HE HAS THE BEST HANDS ON THE TEAM BEHIND C~TREE….AND A WHAT IF Q..WHAT IF ALEX SMITH HAS PRO BOWL NUMBERS THIS YEAR AND PLAYS OUT OF HIS WITS AND THROWS LIKE 39 TD’S AND 2 INT’S AND WE GO DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS? DO WE RE~SIGN HIM NEXT YEAR FOR 1 YEAR OR LONG TERM OR DO WE COMMIT TO KAP JUST A “FLICK ERNICK”….WHAT IF?
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