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49ers vs. Raiders Analysis: Kendall Hunter And Anthony Dixon, Backup Running Backs Show Off

San Francisco's running back depth is all over the place right now - that is to say - there is no measurement of exactly how much depth there actually is. At least not yet, but after last night, we have a much better idea of where we stand. Rookie Kendall Hunter lit things up, punctuated with a 53-yard run, seemingly out of nowhere. Everyone had their eyes on Colin Kaepernick (fresh off a couple big completions), and nobody expected the big run to explode across the field, but that's what happened.

You know who Kendall Hunter looked like on that run? Frank Gore.

Gore is the guy who gets to the second level of the defense, and he's so good at finding the hole, that he doesn't need the speed to beat anybody - they never even see where he's going. That's exactly how it was with Hunter in the third quarter against the Raiders. The play started and suddenly, he was running free for the touchdown. It wasn't against the whole starting defense at that point, so you need to make sure to take that into account, but damn was that pretty, or what? 

He also simply looked good everywhere else. He had other positive runs and looked good in between the tackles, not dancing around and certainly not hesitating at all. He played with poise, but that's something you expect from your running backs. Hunter's pass protection was also on-point, but I will have to review the film a bit more before I say that definitively. I did only see it on two or three plays, but on at least two of them, he handled the blitzer with almost no issues. Should we expect perfection in that area? No, but it's a definite plus at this point, that's where rookie running backs generally struggle the most. Make the jump for more.

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But the running back battle isn't a shutout, simply because Anthony Dixon would not quit. His week one was abysmal and I say that as a huge fan of his. He danced, he hesitated, and he might have even fallen a few times. I'd say his dancing to not-dancing ratio was about 80/20 in week one. In week two, he got that to about the reverse of that. There was a play or two where he did it, and it was extremely frustrating ...

Other plays, though, Dixon looked really good. He's not a huge speed threat, but he found the hole with regularity and actually used some of that evasiveness to his advantage. He did have one good stiff arm at the line of scrimmage, and I hope to see more of that from him - Dixon has a very good stiff arm. Was he better than Hunter? No, but there is one factor to consider:

Dixon played more against starters, and the Raiders have a good defensive line and a good eye for stopping the run. If we call week one a win for Hunter and also week two a win for Hunter, it puts them around even at this point in the preseason, factoring in Dixon's experience and the fact that he's played more against starters. That is to say, coming into this, Dixon is higher on the depth chart, but Hunter is running more impressively. The burden of proof, if you will, for Hunter to show that he belongs above Dixon. At any rate, it was exciting to see more than just one running back getting the job done, as Gore, Hunter and Dixon all looked capable against strong competition.

There's also the matter of Xavier Omon, who looked extremely good against third- and fourth-stringers. We here at Niners Nation have an affinity for lower depth chart running backs coming out and balling in the preseason - just look at Thomas Clayton and Kory Sheets, who was (and who knows, could still be) our future. I don't know if people will get excited about Omon of not, but I'm going to suggest not, considering we now have actual, factual backup material in Hunter and Dixon. Still, good to see something from him.

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Unfortunately he's not

He was on Bills roster for all of 2008 & 8 games in 2009. So he was no longer elligible after ’08.

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by Mangoman on Aug 21, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

How does practice squad eligibility work?

I don’t think I’ve ever had anyone explain it to me :\

by DeviousSavant on Aug 21, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

no more than 1 accrued season

no more than 9 games on the active game-day roster in that season

by whistlingmountain on Aug 21, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s basically if a player has no accrued seasons (no more than 5 games on an active roster), or no more than 8 games on an active 45-man roster AND hasn’t been on a practice squad for more than two seasons. There are exceptions to the latter scenario but it gets a bit convoluted. Has to do with how many players the team had on the active roster during the time the player was on the practice squad.

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by Mangoman on Aug 21, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hunter actually strikes me as more consistent than Gore...

…though I have no idea if there’s any objective support for this. I’m surprised how hard he hits the line for a little guy.

by Bigmouth on Aug 21, 2011 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Looks like Kendall could really be that Third down change of pace back that really thrives in the WCO. He is fast and he is very shifty. I saw him make people miss a lot .

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by FaStRmAn on Aug 21, 2011 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Last night, Hunter averaged 11.7 yards per carry (105 yards on 9 carries)

When I see stats like that, obviosly skewed by a long run (in this case his 53 yard TD run), I look at his stats for the game without that long run. Removing the 53 yarder, he had 52 yards on 8 carries, a 6.5 yard per carry average that is NOT skewed by that long TD run. Even though it was not against the “1s”, that’s pretty impressive…

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Aug 21, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

he averaged 6.5 ypc against the 1s too

although he only had 4 carries

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by manraj7 on Aug 21, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

(sorry, the prior post posted before I had finished writing it. The rest:)

When I see stats like that, obviosly skewed by a long run (in this case his 53 yard TD run), I look at his stats for the game without that long run. Removing the 53 yarder, he had 52 yards on 8 carries, a 6.5 yard per carry average that is NOT skewed by that long TD run. Even though it was not against the “1s”, that’s pretty impressive…

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Aug 21, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Receiving

I didn’t see too many passes thrown to either rb’s way but it would be interesting to see who has the better hands.

by ninersince94 on Aug 21, 2011 10:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Not sure

I recall hearing that Hunter had decent hands in college, but I don’t think we’ve seen too many passes to Dixon.

by DeviousSavant on Aug 21, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about Dixon being utilized in a fb situation?

by ninersince94 on Aug 21, 2011 10:17 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I think I would like to see a dual) set with Dixon taking a more FB and more likely to lead block than Gore/ Hunter. We have very athletic guards that can lead the way as road pavers and move the TE in motion. Point is simple no matter what: Dixon needs to stop dancing and just go full throttle.

by mcwagner on Aug 21, 2011 11:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Very good.

I was impressed by Hunter. Been pulling for him since day 1; I was elated to hear he was still available in Round 4 and that we picked him up. His burst and vision are just great to see. Reminds me of Barry Sanders at points; very shifty guy. I think he could be our next Gore if we can fix the fumbles and blocking. Seems like he’s been doing a decent job so far on the latter based on this last game :D

Dixon needs to be running more like a fullback. He has weight, decent speed, and a really nasty stiff arm. He doesn’t have the shiftiness to spend that much time deliberating behind the hole. He can play RB ok, but I think Hunter’s more moldable into the Gore-like do-it-all WCO RB we want.

by DeviousSavant on Aug 21, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Would be nice for him to be like Barry sanders but all I see from hunter is that he has good burst I don’t see the elusiveness just yet.

by ninersince94 on Aug 21, 2011 10:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Preliminary assessment, of course

We’ll need to see a lot more out of him before we’d start saying he’s the next Barry. I like his hole-hitting and shiftiness though. Complete opposite of Dixon; picks a hole and gets through it quickly.

by DeviousSavant on Aug 21, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hunter showed some nice lateral movement on a couple of plays, I thought.

I mean, I wouldn’t bring up the name Barry Sanders, but it was a good performance.

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by howtheyscored on Aug 21, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Elusiveness

Check out some of his OSU highlight’s on youtube. He stops on a dime. Which is not to say he’ll be Barry ’cause nobody will but he can be really good.

Gore is still the main man for this season though. However, if Hunter performs lights out this year, it could make it much more difficult to extend Gore. In fact, if I were the Niners, I would wait until the end of the year to see what happens. Extend him a game or two before the season ends depending on what happens.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose its inevitable

given that they are both small backs from Oklahoma State – but Sanders was on a totally different level. Sanders still holds the college season rushing record even as some teams are now playing 14 game seasons

by ZacharyD on Aug 21, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Barry also averaged

Something like 240 yrds/game for his 11 games that season. Which is quite absurd.

by Virginia9er on Aug 21, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dixon looked better about his dancing,

but he still didn’t look like he was hitting the hole as hard as Hunter. I don’t know if its indecision or he lacks that needed step, but how many times have you seen Dixon get it into high gear? It seems like there are still many times Dixon is close to getting into space but can’t take the needed step. I’ll agree it was much better than the Saints game though.

by 9isEnough on Aug 21, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

He really did.

I have a feeling Harbaugh got on him after last week. Probably told him with his weight and size he needs to be running full steam ahead. After first contact, his speed and size will carry him an additional few yards. And some DB’s may bounce right off of him.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think two of the main things they worked on yesterday was the OLine in pass & rush blocking

and also to see how the running game would do in different situations. That is why they did not pass to goal line when they were in the red zone. I did notice that they also didn’t do many passes to the RBs… or to the TEs across the middle.. I think Harbaugh is slowly moving the team in that progression. We should see more next weekend. A step at a time works.

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 21, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

They tried to pass

It was a play action play and Smith rolled to his right and couldnt find anybody open, and just thew it away.

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair to the playcalling

The 49ers were averaging something like over 5 yards a carry. It really was not as bad as some are saying. It didn’t work out but theoretically it was an okay call.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

RB backup's performances after two preseason games......still need more though

1. Hunter
2. Oman
3. Dixon

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 21, 2011 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Omon

ran against waterboys.

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by riderless on Aug 21, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol yes but no dancing....

was decisive & made best of opportunity before him. Might make coaches think of putting him in vs 1’s & 2’s

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 21, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dixon is running against the first team D

Something we should take into account

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 10:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep

Remember Terrance Flagler, Cory Sheets — pre season stars. Omon might be that.

But I do think Hunter is the real deal.

Dixon’s gtting a bad rap. He had a fairly nice game yesterday against the 1st string . . .but the final judgment is still out. Not sure he’s got the potential to be great. Hunter does.

by Since79 on Aug 21, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there's no question or argument.

Our running backs will be Gore, Hunter, and Dixon… maybe not in that order but those will be our uncontested 3.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we trade Dixon while his stock is up?

Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen

by supraman on Aug 21, 2011 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

yes I would def do that

think we can get a 4th for him?

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by manraj7 on Aug 21, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

No maybe a 7th rounder

Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen

by supraman on Aug 21, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I won't do it then

we picked him for a 6th

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by manraj7 on Aug 21, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

We picked Mays with a 2nd and hoped to get a 3rd for him from Chicago

Mays was Sing’s pick, Dixon was Raye’s

Dixon is going to be a 3rd string RB, and by Baalke drafting Hunter, we can interpret that as a way of saying he didn’t expect Dixon to be a good spell back for Gore.

Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen

by supraman on Aug 21, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

he is a big back something that neither Hunter or Gore is

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by manraj7 on Aug 21, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

He still averaged 3.9 YPC against a starting D

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by manraj7 on Aug 21, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is this 3.9 ypc reference to last night, or last season?

Last night, he had 53 yards on 12 carries, a 4.4 ypc average

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Aug 21, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

he had 13 carries according to yahoo sports

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by manraj7 on Aug 21, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got the stats last night not long after the game, I don't remember where...

but if he had 53 yards on 13 carries, that’s still a 4.1 ypc, not 3.9

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Aug 21, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Harbaugh can get him to use his speed and size together, he’ll be our version of Toby Gerhart.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

And

He showed major progress in not dancing around, hitting the holes, and his decisiveness.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

decisiveness when you have holes the size of Mac-Trucks, that’s some serious progress.

This hype sounds similar to the hype Coffee got after he ran all over the Raiders. And I believe you Drew were reminding posters here that it was only the Raiders D. Our run blocking was efficient all night, no matter who you put back there.

Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen

by supraman on Aug 21, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raiders defensive line has made major strides since then.

Especially their defensive line and linebacking situation.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strides or not

Raiders line got owned and any RB could have ran between the gaps the OLine was giving them.

Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen

by supraman on Aug 21, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see how this is a problem.

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by mikev on Aug 21, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's trying to devalue Dixon's performance.

I just thought he did much better at locating creases and hitting them hard.

There were a few gigantic lanes but there were also a couple runs where he saw the opening and went after it instead of dancing.

I saw progress but I guess he didn’t. It’s what the discussion was about.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

…on that cutback run, specifically.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but I think he showed signs of improving on that factor last night.

Harbs probably got on him after the game against the Saints. If he can get him to use his size, speed in the right way, he can be our version of Toby Gerhart.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one would trade

for a backup RB, there’s lots of them out there

by monterrey niner on Aug 21, 2011 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Why trade Dixon?

Gore is likely to get injured and Hunter-Dixon combo works well……..Plus what could we get a 7 rounder?

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by bayarearep94 on Aug 21, 2011 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

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by bayarearep94 on Aug 21, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

sad

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maiocco said he didn't enter until 3:33 left in the game

at least give Mays a chance to play for his job

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by bayarearep94 on Aug 21, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't have a job to play for here.

And it doesn’t sound like playing him to improve his trade value would work at all, so I’m fine with not giving him much time.

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by Juan Primo on Aug 21, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

What a waste of a 2nd.................

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by AzNiner on Aug 21, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes yes it is

it was sing’s pick

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by manraj7 on Aug 21, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

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by Juan Primo on Aug 21, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

mays is way better than spillman, it is a joke that spillman is playing over mays. mays has started in the league were spillman has not. mays is faster and more athletic than spillman. mays has even scored a touchdown on special teams.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Mays must have rubbed Harbaugh the wrong way either in college or on the practice field.

by wtlichens on Aug 21, 2011 12:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

stupid.

The guy was projected as a top 10 pick then fell to the 2nd after he stayed for his senior year of school, and then got benched after being thrown to the wolves and hardly coached up.

The guy is an athletic freak there’s no reason to give up on him, especially as bad as Goldson looked yesterday.

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by mikev on Aug 21, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

People fall in love with his size / speed

Until they actually break down his game and see that he has very limited agility, takes horrible angles to the ball, and has very poor tackling ability. If he has to make a cut or turn and bail he slows down to NT speed for a second and it’s all over.

He can blow up receivers coming across the middle no problem, but if he has to actually cover or chase a guy down he’s a complete liability.

by Ougadas on Aug 21, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taylor Mays>>>>>>c.j. spillman

there is no question about this

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is none

Both on the wrong side of the bubble.

by Ougadas on Aug 21, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but I have a hard time seeing them cutting Mays.

If they cannot get anything for him we may be stuck with 5 safeties

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends on a lot of other factors of course.

But I would keep him for another year and try to build at least some value before dumping him off.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

We know that these guys will have a spot for sure:

Whitner
Goldson
Williams
Smith

I can see us maybe keeping Mays and using him in dime packages on sneaky blitz packages or something. That could increase his value some.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Maybe try to get him some sacks and keep him out of coverage — maybe people will forget.

by Ougadas on Aug 21, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't see many more blown coverages last year

Than reggie smith or dashon Goldson had. I even remember some good passes he knocked down.

by wtlichens on Aug 21, 2011 12:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

goldson is also a complete liability in coverage.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

A liability

But nowhere near as much as Mays.

by Ougadas on Aug 21, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

and goldson had two years to improve before being a starter. mays played decently his rookie year and is now being thrown under the bus as if c.j. spillman is better than mays.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

Goldson hasn’t had all the practice and time with the team that everyone else has had. This was his first game with limited practice time. I just hope Fangio can get him to be more aware.

Personally, I like Reggie Smith better. More instinctive and can play center field much, much better.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I were him

I’d be demanding a release while he still has a chance to make another roster.

by Ougadas on Aug 21, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like they decided that they don't need to see anymore

Can’t blame them for trying to get something back. Wasted draft pick. Too bad he was a big safety from SC cause it may have reminded some of another (#42). I haven’t seen anything out of him since his Junior year. Hope he lands on his feet with someone else.

by Jaxson876 on Aug 21, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I maintain that the battle between Dixon and Hunter doesn't mean as much as we think

JH is going to rotate through the top three much more than we’ve seen in recent years, IMO. There will be carries for Gore, Dixon, and Hunter too.

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by Smoke on the Water on Aug 21, 2011 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

what is a big deal to me is the level of competition at the rb position.

there are two decent to good players behind gore.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was not able to watch the game.

how long did Adam Snyder play? Did he mess up any snaps?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Snyder looked great

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

he started the game right? do you know how long he played?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He played most of the first half

Until the last series

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

could Snyder be the starting center? It is starting to really appear that way. that does not bode well for tony wragge who would be the third string center.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he could

Goodwin didn’t t look great…and even against the 2nd string.

by Virginia9er on Aug 21, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goodwin's going to be the guy.

I’ve watched the game twice and the unit as a whole plays much, much better when he is in there. That’s what you want from the center position. To make everyone around you better.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair

I certainly think it is far too early to write him off. But he has some work to do IMO. Had a few bad moments, but others he was fine.

I’m just saying it isn’t out of the realm of possibility Snyder holds it down.

by Virginia9er on Aug 21, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Snyder

I think he will be the first back up for all positions. Just my opinion…

I want to see more Dan Kilgore. I think he can be a stud starter in the NFL. He plays the game with bad intentions on every play. He dominated every. single. guy he faced.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I completely agree on Kilgore

I think they definitely see him as the future. Man was an absolute animal last night.

by Virginia9er on Aug 21, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's gotta be the RG eventually.

They moved up to get him in the draft. He’s head and shoulders better than Chilo (or so it seems). Actually, Chilo looked good last night too for a change. Consistency is Rachal’s main deal.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kilgore is making this team. I think he could give both Snyder and Chilo a run for their money.

We did after all move up to get him. I wonder how well he does at tackle? If he’s any good, he could even replace Davis.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn the Gore contract talks is getting "volatile"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/21/with-gore-niners-far-apart-trade-request-could-be-next/

Hope this isnt true, I cant believe Gore is asking for Deangelo Williams money

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

why not?

Gore is actually a month younger than Williams and has done more even without adding in the additional year.

by David Fucillo on Aug 21, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok

I thought Williams was way younger than Gore.

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gore's older in terms of his carries

He has 1371 carries and 270 catches to Deangelo’s 841 and 118. Plus Deangelo was an unrestricted free agent so his leverage was a lot better. AND, that was a dumb contract by the Panthers.

Hopefully this is just a little blustery negotiating. There is no team out there giving up a high draft pick to make it worthwhile for the 49ers and signing Frank to a big dollar contract three weeks before the season. He’s most valuable to the 49ers, and we will pay him the most. We have done right by him before when we gave him a big money extension two years into his rookie deal.

by hammystyle on Aug 21, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need to let him play out his contract this year and see what happens after that.

If Hunter can show some awesome value, then it may not be worth extending Gore at all.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

huge injury risk.

imagine the cap hit if gore gets 21million guaranteed than he suffers a career ending injury. there could be a huge cap hit.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I would just say it’s most wise to wait… especially on a guy who has only played one full season in his entire career.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The stupid franchise effect

A bad franchise makes a horrible deal and then other players want to jump on it as precedent.

by Ougadas on Aug 21, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Look at Fitz new contract (he deserves every penny of it) but guys like Jackson who after his rookie contract could be getting money in that vicinity

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

fitz is one of the top wr in the league. deseasn jackson is many spots behind fitz.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

That is why I hope the Eagles dont over pay him. If Edwards has a great for us He could be looking for the same type of money IF he wants to come back

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

*great year

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

edwards will not see the same money as fitz. fitz has never had character issues or off field issues.

edwards may get a decent size contract but he has to prove he can behave himself.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agre he's not going to make Fitz type money

But when Fitz got that deal WR’s who are playing at an elite level will demand to be paid (overpaid) because the market has been set with Fitz

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

very few teams wanted edawards and no team was willing to give edwards a big contract. you mentioned above about edwards. edwards has major character concerns and that greatly reduces his pay, “greatly”

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 22, 2011 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I put

Him and Andre 1a and 1b. They float back and forth. Andre had a good QB last year, so that certainly helped him more.

by Virginia9er on Aug 21, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking

Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitz
Andre Johnson

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea

As soon as I typed it, I forgot Megatron, plus it might be the best nickname in the league. Criminal on my part.

by Virginia9er on Aug 21, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

the eagles are also going to be screwed salary cap wise. jackson wants a new contract, maclin will want a new contract next year. they will not have room next year if the cap does not go up much.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're going to lose key players.

I think this is a Superbowl or bust year for them.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is what I am thinking also.

their locker room could also get pissed off by not paying their own people first.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

me too

vince young said they are footballs maimi. lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 22, 2011 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do you guys see Gores' value being if he does demand a trade

1st round pick? or for an elite or an up and coming CB?

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by EcERyda69 on Aug 21, 2011 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

1st round pick for a guy without a contract? I don't think so.

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by mikev on Aug 21, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way the 49ers get a 1st round pick for a RB in his late-20's

It isn’t going to happen. You are looking at a 2nd round pick at the best, most likely a 3rd round pick

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 21, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, with a 3rd round pick

We could draft another Gore. Or better yet, some freakish Arian Foster/Gore hybrid.

by DeviousSavant on Aug 21, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

I thought Nate had it

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by Badly Browned on Aug 21, 2011 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh fuck

Wrong website

LOL

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by Badly Browned on Aug 21, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh crap

Site decorm

This is not looking good for me.

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by Badly Browned on Aug 21, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watching Giants game

Been reading here while watching the game. Was meant for McC. Ugh.

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by Badly Browned on Aug 21, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 21, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is awesome

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by James Brady on Aug 21, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Frank the Tank is not yet done

Although I was very impressed with Hunter and Oman, We have yet to see much of Gore with the O line playing the way they did yesterday… I would like to Dixon and FB leading the way for Gore and see what happens. If Frank makes big yards then I say let him play and Hunter will get his chance along the way.

by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 21, 2011 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of Kory Sheets

He’s probably going to be the Dolphins 3rd running back behind Bush and Thomas.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

GORE

I think we should put Hunter on the PQ and trade Dixon and make X’S & O’S as Gore’s back up and have Masoli as our 3rd RB…..ONLY KIDDING…..Gore needs to be in the line-up as much as possible to get his game on and use Hunter as our 3rd down back and spell Gore when he is tired…..We have the best set of different direction style running backs we have ever had that I can remember and I started fanning for the Niner’s in 1966. I’am really excited about our backfield and our 2nd year player Navarro B., Bowman looks sharp and he will do alot of damage in the backfield. The players that TB & JH brought onboard are perfect for JH’S system as he new what alot of the UDFA’S could do as he seen most of them in his career at Stanford. I like what the staff and TB are doing…One last thing about Taylor “in a daze in every ways” Mays, if Pete didn’t draft him, enough said for me….

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 21, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think gore only has about 1-2 decent more season where he can get 1000 yards. If we trade him possible destinations could be the Lions and Jets i could see them getting a second round pick for him and maybe they could include Taylor Mays too. next year there will be some talent in the draft if they don’t think hunter or dixon can be the starter, trent richardson, i like Lamichael James could probably get him in the second, and matt forte is a free agent next year too and he isn’t happy in Chicago. But i would like to keep Gore for maybe 1-2 more seasons and i think he will be loyal to the 49ers and play this year and try and prove his worth.

by Jose Prince on Aug 21, 2011 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Pay the man

We have cap room. Give him a front heavy contract that way if he does get hurt we’re fine, and if he balls like the Tank does, then we’re fine too. It makes perfect sense to me. :)

by crevis1987 on Aug 21, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

With Gore’s injury history they should keep all four runningbacks.

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