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49ers Practice Squad Candidates: Rookies vs. Veterans

Earlier today, Matt Barrows put together a list of the practice squad eligible veterans in a discussion about three non-eligible players (Scott McKillop, Dominique Zeigler, Phillip Adams). DerekRE_3 opened up some discussion on the practice squad earlier this week and there are some interesting names that each of us has attached to.

When comparing rookie and veteran practice squad candidates, the big question is which will get claimed off waivers before they can even make the practice squad. In order to place a player on the practice squad, the team must first waive the player. If the player is not claimed by another team, they become a free agent and can sign with any practice squad. A player usually re-signs with their own team's practice squad because they have already started learning the playbook and have a working relationship with the coaching staff.

However, a player can also be claimed in the waivers process, in which case the new team has to place them on their 53-man roster for I believe the first three weeks of the season. Given the requirement of being on the 53-man roster, a team has to decide how much interest there will be in a waived player. It becomes a matter of strategy in who you waive and who you gamble on with a spot on the 53-man roster.

Among the veterans with practice squad eligibility, I believe they've all spent some amount of time on a practice squad at some point in their brief NFL careers. This is notable because a player on a practice squad can sign with another team at any point. They are under contract to their current NFL team, but it is not the same binding contract of a member of the 53-man roster.

That means, if there was going to be serious interest in this player we probably would have heard something. Some of the veterans have had solid camps (Tramaine Brock, for example) so they might have boosted their stock. However, many of them are likely to clear waivers after next week's final preseason game.

As you look at a possible practice squad, would you be more inclined to roll the dice that rookies will clear waivers, or do you stick with more veteran players? It's a tough decision to make with some of the rookies on the roster.

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Interesting person is Xavier Omon

I really liked what I saw last weekend from Xavier Omon. It will be interesting to see what happens with him today. He may play terribly, but if he does as good as he does last week what then? I wonder if the 49ers would really keep 4 RB unless they thought there was a good chance Gore was leaving? I would like to see them keep Omon on the practice squad also, but I don’t think he would make it there.

by flyincow555 on Aug 27, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

He will most likely get cut but have a 3rd string position with a team that has been plagued by injury.

I can see him going to a place like Cleveland behind Hillis and Jackson, or somewhere like that.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 27, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cut them all.....

Scott McKillop, Hasn’t been able to do much due to injury. Good ST player but could easliy be replaced by a better player.

Dominique Zeigler, Another guy with injuries and limited playing time to prove himself. Has great routs and could be a nice backup in the WCO, but the 49ers have way too many quality WRs and not enough roster spots.

Phillip Adams, I think he makes the team. I keep hearing his name in good ways. Not too many CBs to take his place as of now. I still think that a CB should be the 1st round pick next year. It is one of the weakest positions on the team.

by ericalancanty on Aug 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Agree with CB for a first round pick next year

I wanted them to draft Joe Haden last year and Prince Amukamara or Patrick Peterson this year. Unless someone becomes a lockdown corner this year or we figure out a bigger need this year, I think we need a CB next year, but thats a far ways away from now.

by flyincow555 on Aug 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dre Kirkpatrick
Walt Harris
Chase Minnifield

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cliff...

I was looking at some stuff from the Ravens and got the wires crossed there for a min.

Nice catch.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 27, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Cliff might drop to the second just because of his size

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by manraj7 on Aug 27, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adams

I just worry about his cutting ability. There has been some concern about it.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

The requirement (clarification)

That a team sign the player to their 53 man and keep them on their active roster for 3 weeks only comes into play if they sign a guy off our practice squad.

If they claim them off the waiver wire (before we sign them to our practice squad) that requirement does not come into play.

by Ougadas on Aug 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Is it a generally accepted feeling amongst NN that Kyle Williams should make the roster?

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by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

yup.

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by dutra on Aug 27, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He might make practice squad because we have so many talented receivers.

Off the top of my head, Crabs, Edwards, Morgan and Ginn will all make the cut, whether you like it or not. Even if Kyle Williams makes the cut, we won’t see him that much as the #5 WR at best. Especially because of Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker, Williams will only get reps on special teams. This is not my opinion on their relative talent level, it’s just what I see happening on the roster this year.

by Rhombus on Aug 27, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whether you like it or not he's getting on the field.

I suspect Ginn, if HE makes the cut, will be the 5th or 6th WR. Williams will split time with Morgan.

You are off your rocker if you think he is going to be put on the PS.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 27, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look, whether or not you think Ginn has the dropsies and lacks talent,

He is currently the number one on the roster. I’m guessing he’ll get bumped down to #4 once Edwards replaces him and Crabtree recovers. Just because NN thinks Ginn is worthless doesn’t change the depth chart.

by Rhombus on Aug 27, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look

Ginn has seen about 4 offensive plays in the preseason. How in the world is he the #1. Because network TV tells is that when they’re providing the lineups?

He’s had 1 whopping catch for 6 yards.

Ginn is a joke. And if the 49ers keep him for anything other than punt returns, that is an even bigger joke.

Kyle Williams has shown phenomenal upside in not only special teams but catching the frinkin ball. I think that has been crystal clear up to this point. Practice doesn’t mean crap. Game results DO!

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 27, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

stats vs. practice

It’s my understanding that the coaching staff might very well be putting a lot more emphasis on the ten or eleven practices leading up to the preseason opener. I realize you’re a big Williams fan, but if the coaches are liking what Ginn’s doing in practice that doesn’t necessarily make it a joke. After all, they’re the ones seeing him practice every single day.

by David Fucillo on Aug 27, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see them raving about the guy like he is some phenomenal football player.

He dropped all kinds of ball on the juggs machine too. Same ol’ Ginn. Hopefully he does better but I am not going to hold my breath.

What I have seen in the games is enough to see a clear difference.

If Ginn is so valuable and the coaches are so high on him, then why with Crabtree out is he not seeing the field more?

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 27, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

…to expand on that last question, if he is being at all considered as a #3 or even #4 for that matter, wouldn’t you guess that he would be getting as much playing time as possible for the coaches to truly see him in “gametime” action?

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 27, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

that would make sense

I’m just saying what I’ve heard in regards to the practices. Personally, I’d like to see one of the younger guys step up. Ginn has never shown much of anything in games so I’m fine with seeing what else the team has.

by David Fucillo on Aug 27, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Kyle Williams has shown phenomenal upside in not only special teams but catching the frinkin ball"

Also, his downfield blocking in the running game has been stellar…

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Aug 27, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It will be difficult for a WR to make the cut... since they will carry 3 TEs.. so I think only 6 WRs max.

As good as Ginn can be.. Williams has also been good in TC and the preseason.

Besides Crabtree, Edwards, Morgan and possibly Ginn.. then I see Williams as the # 4 or 5 WR.. still room for one more.

It also depends on how healthy Crabtree is.. and if Edwards is going to lose time. I can see them keeping only 5 WRs to keep an extra CB or Safety.

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 27, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really like Williams, and I think he will make the cut, but only just.

There are others more on the cusp than he is, but Ginn seems to be solidly in line behind our top 3. That puts Williams at a disadvantage. He’s replacement material and special team status this year, unless someone gets injured or really starts sucking.

This is not a bad thing: I’m glad we have so much deep talent. The idea that we can run 3-5 WR sets and have plenty mismatches on the field makes me sooo happy, especially considering our Arnaz Battle years.

by Rhombus on Aug 27, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about this.. so that we can make both Rhombus and Drew Kerr happy.. a little

Have Drew or another writer write up a post on how each WR did tonight against first team defense. Also include the kick and punt returns as both Williams and Ginn have value there as do some CBs, Hunter and other WRs.

Will they keep Ginn, who is mostly a returner (hasn’t done well as a WR since he was drafted), or will Williams show more value as he can be a returner and a WR.. and has shown that in the preseason. I think tonight will show who will be higher in the pecking order

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 27, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

wide receivers

We do have somebody working on analysis of the wide receivers performance tonight. Maybe we can get a FanPost on wide receivers to have a week long discussion on it.

by David Fucillo on Aug 27, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Fooch...

Players on the edge for the WR, CB and Safety positions all could come down to how good they are at their position and more importantly, how they do on Special Teams.

Personally, I am rooting for Adams to do well in returns and as a backup CB.. I would like to see him make the team.

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 27, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

me too...

He showed some good skills as a corner last year and it’d be a shame if the injury cost him a roster spot.

by David Fucillo on Aug 27, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

He looks to be a strong tackler too. I’m hoping that puts him over the hump.

by Mukkeluk on Aug 27, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

Given the fluidity of the preseason we’re still doing another one.

by David Fucillo on Aug 27, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

@ Drew... I know I read it.. thanks @ Fooch & Drew I think this game will make or break the chances some players have to make the team.

Like I said above.. that is, in MY eyes, a bigger issue with the WRs, CBs and Safeties.

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 27, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if any of our backups do really well against Texas' first team it will make it very difficult to put them on the PS.

I also think that Adams has too much upside to let go.. he is not PS available so they would lose him.. I hope he gets a lot of time in these last two games to prove himself to the coaches.

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 27, 2011 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Ziggy

I have a hard time seeing him making the roster with the lack of practices. Which is sad because he’s very talented and deserves a spot on the team.

by njennings on Aug 27, 2011 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Can someone please explain to me what's going to happen to RoJo?

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by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 27, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is going on with...

Ian Williams? I haven’t heard much about him, but he’s one guy I’d really like to make the team and see develop.

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tech support

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