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Happy Monday to all you 49ers fans. It was an ugly Saturday for the team, but hopefully you were able to relax a bit on Sunday and enjoy yourself. And if you were back east, hopefully you stayed at least a little dry and safe. The weather remained relatively pleasant, although it did get a bit foggy, particularly at the game on Saturday.

Now that the weekend is through, it's a quick turnaround for the 49ers and the rest of the league. The team faces roster cuts from 90 to 80 on Tuesday and then has their final preseason game of the season on Thursday against the San Diego Chargers. There is no word on what kind of playing time starters will see. Coach Harbaugh went for a slightly unorthodox approach in game three so who knows what game four will hold in store for us. On to the links...

Crabtree closer to returning from broken foot (Barrows)

49ers-Texans: Breaking down the breakdowns (Barrows)

49ers offensive line needs to make big strides (Sac Bee)

Predicting the 49ers' entire 53-man roster for 2011 (Sam Lam)

Star-divide

Harbaugh: Crabtree return this week is 'possible' (Maiocco)

49ers stock report: Aldon Smith 'in a process' (Maiocco)

Steady Matt Schaub shows what 49ers are lacking (SFGate.com)

Joe Montana discusses SF Giants, 49ers quarterback (SFGate.com)

This week, Niners fans focus on fun, not friction (SFGate.com)

49ers' Frank Gore: Lack of deal weighs on him (SFGate.com)

49ers Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick vs. Texans (SFGate.com)

Front-five failures: Detailing the 49ers' line play vs. Houston (SFGate.com)

Harbaugh: Offensive line 'violated' by straightforward defense (SFGate.com)

Jed York Visits with Fans (49ers.com)

Conference Call: Jim Harbaugh (49ers.com)

Offensive woes still sting Harbaugh day later (SJ Mercury News)

Harbaugh on improving the 49ers: "It’s a process." (Press Democrat)

Niners' Line Still Showing Leaks (NBC Bay Area)

Fretting over NFC West offensive lines (Sando)

Yesterday on Niners Nation

Golden Nuggets: 49ers Blasted By Texans In Less Than Stellar Affair | Fooch
49ers vs. Texans: Jim Harbaugh Can't Be Too Pleased | Fooch
49ers vs. Texans: Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick Discuss Struggles | Fooch
49ers vs. Texans: Where Does Game-Planning Fit Into This? | Fooch
Picture Of The Game: Alex Smith And Matt Leinart | Fooch
Is Ronald Johnson's Roster Spot In Peril? | Fooch
Jim Harbaugh Discusses 49ers-Texans The Day After | Fooch
Barrows: Michael Crabtree Reportedly Had Surgery On His Left Foot Prior To Training Camp | Fooch
Vernon Davis Goes 'Into Africa' On CSN Bay Area | Fooch
49ers vs. Texans: Figuring Things Out While Being Taken Behind The Woodshed | Fooch

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I’m so depressed about the team right now.
I know you can’t read too much into a preseason game, but it was so awful that it was painful to watch.
I’d hate to see them crushed by Seattle in week 1 like last year.

-Lazy fool- ;)

by zemd on Aug 29, 2011 2:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Sadly, it's become obvious the 49ers are...

The Cincinnati Bengals of the NFC. And that’s humiliating.

I do believe Harbaugh will turn it around but this year is his 1979. I see no way to avoid it.

by 5e3deluxe on Aug 29, 2011 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Bengals made the playoffs a few years ago

Anyway, I’d say the Lions or Cardinals are the Bengals of the NFC.

The Raiders are a better comparison to the 49ers.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 29, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

ANy way you cut it...

Right now, the 49ers are the dregs. It’s sad because some really good players (VD, PWillie, Gore) are wasting their careers on this mess.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see ALL of them leave if the FO can’t turn it around.

by 5e3deluxe on Aug 29, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Willis and VD aren't leaving, they're signed for a long time and are well paid

Something that we’re all dealing with as fans is, yes, many of us thought that in a normal transition year, if they kept the team together, brought in a vet QB, that this would be the best team in the division.

What actually happened, no off-season, same QB, a lot of defensive turnover ( and a bunch of 1 year contracts ).

It’s pretty clear to me that this is a 3 year plan for Harbaugh and Baalke. They’re going to try to win of course, but the #1 priority seems to be to field the best team they can in 2013, likely with Kaepernick at the helm. That means short contracts for just about everyone, it means letting players go ( they’re not going to want Gore on that 2013-2015 roster ).

This year they’re going to see what they can get out of a lot of these young players, and if they don’t like them, they’ll be replaced in the following 2 years.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 29, 2011 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo

The walked into a mess of a roster and there is only so much turnover that can happen in one year without going to 1-15. Compounded with the lockout and having near zero time to fully evaluate the guys they do have and this year is going to be a “see who we can keep” year.

by Ougadas on Aug 29, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't look now but...

The Lions are a pretty good team. They’re going to kick the 49ers asses this year. They will have a better record than the Niners this year.

by 5e3deluxe on Aug 29, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

They're certainly on the upswing

the Bengals were on the upswing a couple years ago as well, but neither franchise has won a super bowl, both had long periods of sucking, both had ownerships that kept bad GMs in place for much longer than they should have been, both were held back by QB injuries..

The 49ers were a long winning franchise though, like the Raiders, who got really bad, went through a bunch of coaching changes, had questionable draft choices, now both seemingly have .500 ceilings.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 29, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see a .500 ceiling...

…for the 49ers. I believe this is a four-win team. Remember Walsh’s first team was a two-win team so there is an extent to which patience is required but without some improvement, without something that doesn’t look like an exact clone of the Nowin/Dingleberry years, I see no reason to have hope. Maybe Harbaugh is rope-a-doping, but based on his expressions of the 4th quarter Saturday, I’d say he’s a little aghast at the ineptitude of his offense.

4-12 this year. We’ll see about next.

by 5e3deluxe on Aug 29, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

and you based this on...

Preseason game? Detroit def is going to be great, but QB that has not finished a complete season. The elite teams do not show their hand in preseason if the Lions play the Patriots again I can assure you the score would be different.

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by chriscream on Aug 29, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why

Did you see plays for TEs? How about screens to the WRs, RBs, or TEs. Why show Seatle plays that can practice against week one. The Coach and players consistantly say they are preparing for Week 1. Did you hear preseason? Everything they are running were basic packages nothing to complex. Coach H. has to cut players and he wanted them to at least get a fighting chance. Cobbs from Georgia has been a key find. Don’t look to much into preseason because you never know how the regular season plays out.

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by chriscream on Aug 29, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know, but it was the same philosophy on the other side. Houston didn’t show much but still crushed the 9ers.
As i said, i know it’s preseason, i don’t expect them to shine on every play. But except for the interception returned for a TD, it was painful

-Lazy fool- ;)

by zemd on Aug 30, 2011 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the depth chart is pretty much set by now

With planned cuts to 80 on Tuesday, and the final cut to follow end of next week.

It would take an amazing performance from a guy on the bubble to make a change — and I’m not sure I see that happening vs San Diego.

by Ougadas on Aug 29, 2011 2:58 AM PDT reply actions  

But our final 53 has some major issues

We must find another option at LT. Under a rock, below a bridge, dig in the couch — don’t care where, but Staley isn’t it.

He’s getting dominated out there by poor competition; mentally, physically, technically; bull-rushes, speed rushes, inside moves — I don’t see Smith lasting 16 games with the beating he is going to take. Iupati is taking some heat for not being fast enough or aware enough to move over and help but when your starting LT needs help to block 1 guy there is a problem.

Many of these issues on the interior are failures to execute the blocking scheme. When simple stunts give you this many problems there have to be mental errors where the interior linemen aren’t handing off and picking up responsibilities as the point of attack shifts. This can be fixed once this line gets some stability and cohesiveness. Let’s just hope Smith doesn’t think he’s a Polish Sausage dancing on Broadway by then.

The defensive line has to get more penetration. So far Fangio looks to have them in a 4-0-4 “Tite” base instead of 3-1-5 “Eagle” which means they have to be more explosive off the ball. That does give you the flexibility of being able to shoot either gap on your head up O-lineman but it also means you have to be quicker doing it or you won’t get the penetration necessary to disrupt play timing and blocking schemes.

I’m not quite sold on this 3-4 as we’ve seen it so far, but one thing to note is that if you look at some of his old playbooks and our current fronts — we’ve installed less than about 1/10th of the defense, and he usually installs a conservative base first.

by Ougadas on Aug 29, 2011 4:01 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

strongly agree

at least with the defensive line we can hope that Fangio is keeping it vanilla for a reason. There’s no good reason that the O line was overwhelmed Saturday. No all out blitz like the Saints game just a complete failure across the line.

by Jaxson876 on Aug 29, 2011 4:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the writeup!

You always have pretty good insight into the nitty gritty of schemes (defensively, at least).

How do you have Fangio’s old playbooks?

by brundylop on Aug 29, 2011 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Google and lots of time

Quite many pro playbooks are leaked and put online, but nothing very recent. Think the latest I’ve seen was a Bengals one from 2004.

by Ougadas on Aug 29, 2011 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nevermind that

Did a quick dig and found last years Jets defense installation. It’s getting recent. But I’ve never seen current year.

by Ougadas on Aug 29, 2011 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do wonder at this point

Do they just not see these guys struggling in practice? I don’t understand what is happening in practice that makes them think that both the line will be ok, and the pass rush will be ok.

The 49ers record this year will seemingly be almost 100% determined by whether they can out scheme their opponents.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 29, 2011 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about Barry Sims?

Last season, Barry Sims played better LT than Staley did before the injury. For whatever reason, Staley has not become a long-term answer at LT and probably never will be. Sims isn’t a long-term solution but he’s better than Staley. There may be some talent in final cutdown week.

by 5e3deluxe on Aug 29, 2011 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boone has looked good at both RT and LT... but it may be a little early to start replacing starters

We will really have to wait to see how things play out in the first few games..

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Aug 29, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like Boone as much as the next guy

but he is a backup, a guy that can plug in and be serviceable. We need someone that can protect

by mcwagner on Aug 29, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lets hope its only 1/10th installed

If I had to pin point a problem with the defense it isn’t the defensive line. The line has good NFL talent and the right talent for his scheme with McDonald and J. Smith.

If what I have seen so far in preseason is indeed Fangio’s defense the problem is the scheme at linebacker, specifically he asking them to do the near impossible.

a) With his defensive line primarily shooting gaps, rushing up the field it’s opening up more running lanes which the linebackers have to clean up.
b) Since the defensive line is more in a pass rush mode it makes perfect sense to ask the linebackers to play a bigger role in the pass rush with more blitzes, so now more holes defending the run. And they better not get blocked cause no one is home on a completed pass.
c) So far Fangio’s defense only employees one type of corner, small, shifty cover guys who play back on the deep third, meaning it’s up to the linebackers to cover the flats, hooks, curls and slants with secondary help from the safeties.
d) Bowman was interviewed during the game, said Fangio’s defense allows them more freedom, not so much read and react like the previous defense. Translation many times there are no keys, LBs better properly diagnose the play pre-snap cause they have to guess the area they need to be in. You know Patrick Willis strength is diagnosing pre-snap reads and cleaning up /sarcasm.

Its no wonder the middle of the field looks like swiss cheese. A WCO with big, good receivers is going to rip right through them like 30-7 last Saturday. The corners even if they aren’t slacking off deep are too small to handle Andre Johnson, and the team has no variety in cover personnel (open zones and YAC city for them). This leaves the big receivers underneath against linebackers or safety help. Donte Whitner isn’t going to come down and ever cover Andre Johnson or any legitimate receiving threat for that matter. So far this defense looks like its only going to work with the best LB corp ever and ability to diagnose each offensive play which was much easier to do in dogmatic 1986 than 2011.

I certainly pray this isn’t the defense.

by bignerd on Aug 29, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey maybe...

…..JH know’s now what he doesn’t have, the Texans game could be a godsend in the long run. I think the FO will be keeping a close eye on who gets cut from the other teams especially the Saturday cut to 53, there could be some gems and we may have more signings before the trade deadline…..then again ….maybe this is going to be a long season of prep for 2012.

by SydneyNiner on Aug 29, 2011 3:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes , they'll be scanning the waiver wire big time , 1100 players to be out of a job ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Aug 29, 2011 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tim the Intern

Perhaps Tim forgot to distribute the press release about Crabtree’s injury?

by brundylop on Aug 29, 2011 5:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Trying to get an opinion

On how the Texans look from a non-Houston fan. Anything point to a top offense + hopefully top 15 defense = playoffs? We’ve beaten good teams this preseason, and while yes, it is preseason, 14 sacks vs. SF, NYJ and NO are encouraging to see from a last place defense from last year. Just hoping to hear what outsiders think of Houston this year.

by TexansPride on Aug 29, 2011 6:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Still comes down to whether they can beat out Indy in my opinion

I don’t think they’ll get a wildcard.

If Peyton isn’t himself, then it’s really their division for the taking with a 9/10 win season.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 29, 2011 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really like their uniforms ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Aug 29, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can win the division

but got to win those close games… As long as Peyton is a Colt they are going to be favored. But he is not invincible.

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by chriscream on Aug 29, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

hard time seeing them win 3 games this year

are we talking Astros? Texans will be very good this year. I see them getting to rest starters in the last weeks. Defense is more solid with good talent and that offense is dynamite.

by mcwagner on Aug 29, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Defensive line looks much improved

Offense clicking like last season. Your safety guessed right on the Kaep INT, always takes a while to figure out if the player is getting by on a few lucky guesses or the guy has talent for sniff passes.

by bignerd on Aug 29, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even with the poor Line play ...

Alex Smith is the key. I was fortunate enough to play at a high level in High School and at Ohio University – the QB is the key to the team. It’s not simply the plays he makes or doesn’t make; it’s the fact that the team rallies around this guy. He is the head of the snake. If you watch Alex play; he has no fire. No fury. No visible passion for the game. No smiles. No anger. No joviality. He just seems to be a guy who knows he is going to fail. Even when opportunities shown themselves he doesn’t make the play.

No one rallies around him. Watch the game. Nobody comes to him on the sideline to get in his ear or pat him on the back. Trust me – the team is convinced that they cannot win with him therefore the Line is trying to be absolutely perfect and playing tight and tentative. Until Alex Smith is gone – our entire organization will be unable to turn the page.

Start McCown.

by 40Notion on Aug 29, 2011 7:28 AM PDT reply actions  

The QB is the most important player on the field. Ask any decent analyst or coach and everyone tells you that. That is not saying that the line is not important or a RB or WR or any player on defense is not important, but the key to a team is the QB.

by cush52 on Aug 29, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, anyone knows I agree with this...

But at this point, it almost goes without saying. As much as I dislike Smith, I don’t see what choice there is. McCown? What’s the difference? CK? I’m not convinced he’s the QBOTF anyway, he reminds me too much of Druckenmiller with legs. Not capable of a touch pass.

I still think Josh Johnson will be here next year. Possibly (but not probably) Andrew Luck.

by 5e3deluxe on Aug 29, 2011 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I really like CK

But I do also think JJ will sign with the 49ers next year, presuming they don’t pick 1st.

I’m also hoping that Palmer hits the market at some point, but the Seahawks might be more willing to part with draft picks. Palmer still hasn’t retired.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 29, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

West Coast Offense

When will we get to see the West Coast Offense? I have not seen much of it todate.

by AsiaGold&Red on Aug 29, 2011 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

They will start using it against the Seahawks.. same for the full defense.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Aug 29, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Week 1 Regular season

Like they said they are preparing at practice for week 1. They never said for preseason game lol. I like not showing the other team your true cards. Last year we was predictable, this year even the fans are confused ha ha ha I’m not sure what to expect Thursday.

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by chriscream on Aug 29, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably haven't installed a tenth of it

And with what appears to be so much time devoted to going back over basic blocking fundamentals — who knows.

But don’t hold your breath. I doubt what Harbaugh will run will be anything close to a WCO. He’s said so many contradictory things in general and absolutely nothing in the specific that your guess is as good as mine what we’ll see on gameday.

Although I have a crushing suspicion it’s going to involve a human pinata.

by Ougadas on Aug 29, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

what they did in Free Agency

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Beside Alex Smith has been given so many chances lol might as well do the same for Coach H and Balke.

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by chriscream on Aug 29, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

No rush to condemn the new staff. They haven’t even installed their systems yet.

Was just commenting on the disconnect between “We’ll bring the WCO back to SF” and “We’ll be a power running team” and his general avoidance of anything more specific.

I’m really curious as to what it turns out to be — maybe the Run and Shoot. =P

by Ougadas on Aug 29, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually , Roman said that the install was about complete ...!!

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by Edggy on Aug 29, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know

But somebody is fibbing.

It’s barely been a month since the lockout was lifted and we are supposed to be running a WCO style offense with WCO terminology. That doesn’t work out.

by Ougadas on Aug 29, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh , what doesn't work ...!!

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by Edggy on Aug 29, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somebody stole the (Ninjames) from the end of my name.

And then God created Saturn ... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it. ... Always a ninja
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by James Brady on Aug 29, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

They're too busy playing with their iPhones.

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by James Brady on Aug 29, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

what are you doing? Go back and drink your pina colada and get caught in the rain!

by mcwagner on Aug 29, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Barrows' "Breaking down the breakdowns" article

was depressing. It’s one thing to watch it, and another to read about it in minute detail, which was somehow more excruciating. I really hope the o-line can be coached.

Out of morbid curiosity, went over to Big Blue View to see how Baas was faring: David Baas: The Giants new center had a terrific night. On a screen pass to Ahmad Bradshaw Baas got out in front and wiped out three Chicago defenders by himself. On Jacobs’ 18-yard touchdown run Baas — as picked up by the ESPN crew — deftly adjusted the line call when Eli Manning audibled to the run, and the play blew wide open for a touchdown. I think we can stop worrying about this guy.

by McTee on Aug 29, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh come on

Goodwin is an upgrade. Never mind he can’t beat out Snyder who has never played center before … and And AND he is learning a new offense like Baas.

by bignerd on Aug 29, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

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