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49ers Training Camp: Vic Fangio Discusses Overarching Defensive Philosophies

49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio spoke with the media before practice today and discussed a whole host of topics. He discussed everything from Demarcus Dobbs and Ian Williams to Phillip Adams recovery to how Aldon Smith can improve. In discussing Smith in particular, he said:

"He's just got to learn his position better. That sounds like a simple statement, but it's a tall task for a guy coming from college who's played defensive end and defensive tackle to now having to be a stand up linebacker and get around pass key and drop in the right spots in zone coverage, and pick up routes accordingly the way you see them picked up. So it's a major undertaking that he's going through right now. Once he gets comfortable with that and can execute, then we'll feel more comfortable with it."

Somebody followed that up with a question about protecting Smith from situations like the coverage mistake that led to one of Owen Daniels' big plays. Fangio made the point that trying to mask one player's weakness could open up the weaknesses of another player on defense. Accordingly, Fangio is looking to balance out the defense as a whole and as Fangio said, "try and highlight [their] strengths and lowlight [their] weaknesses as much as possible."

It will be a growing year for the defense as a whole, but Aldon Smith in particular. While he did get some time standing up in college, he focused on the defensive line, which means a lot of new responsibilities at the next level. It will be interesting to see how quickly or slowly that transition develops. He can flash some of his raw skills for now, but he'll need to develop the all around game to prove worthy of the first round pick.

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Defensive Coordinator Vic Fangio
Press Conference - August 29, 2011
San Francisco 49ers

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Do you expect to get CB Shawntae Spencer back this week?

"It remains to be seen. He's going to start trying to do some stuff today and we'll see how it progresses." 

Does he need to play in this last game in order for him to be in the picture for week one? Do you need to see him in a preseason game before you can decide if he's a starter?

"I think every injury situation is a little different. Obviously, he would need to at least show some stuff on the practice field this week that he's ready to go, whether he plays in the game or not may be a decision we won't make until Thursday. Obviously for week one in the regular season, he needs to start showing he's ready, both from a movement standpoint that the hamstring is healthy enough to play and from an endurance standpoint. Any time you're out this long with a hamstring injury, you're conditioning is affected also. All of that will be under consideration." 

What's your biggest concern going into the last preseason game on the defense?

"I don't think there's any overriding concern, whether it be one. I would just like to see a little improvement in a lot of areas. I would like to see our pass rush improve a little bit. I would like to see our details of our assignments and techniques be ironed out a little bit better than they've been. Just kind of where you would think we would be right now, nothing overriding."

How are you evaluating the free safety in terms of S Dashon Goldson starting the past couple of games, but S Madieu Williams has made some plays out there. Is that still a starting spot up for grabs or is that more on Dashon right now?

"No, I think it's still up for grabs. We still have [S] Reggie Smith that whenever he gets healthy and starts working again, we're hoping for him to start working some this week. Not in the game, but to see him out on the practice field, at least out running around to get his knee back right from the procedure he had. So right now, the three of them are in that mix." 

What are you seeing out of Madieu besides those turnovers he's created the last couple of games? What's he doing?

"He's played solidly. He's tackled well. He's, for the most part, been in the spots where he needs to be. I think he's a smart player. He's experienced. I think he's got some experience and wisdom that a guy that's played as long as he has carries with it. I've been overall pleased with his progress so far. He's gotten better and better each and every week." 

You mention he tackles well. He had a neck injury a few years back and there was some concern that he wasn't as aggressive since then. Have you seen any result of that injury?

"No. Pleasantly, we have not seen any residue from his neck injury of a couple of years ago where that's lingering in the back of his mind and has made him any less aggressive at all, and that's been a positive." 

Can you talk a little bit about the rookie DT Demarcus Dobbs and what a preseason he's having?

"He's done well. He's gotten a lot of playing time and he's flashed a lot of the time. He's had a sack in each of the last two ball games. There's still a lot of areas where he can improve on, but he's done himself well in this camp and gotten better and better as the camp has gone on, and I think it's a testament to his pushing himself and the coaching of [Head Coach] Jim [Harbaugh] on him, of [Defensive Line Coach Jim] Tomsula, and they've both done a great job." 

Normally in the fourth preseason game, you won't play your starters that much. With no OTAs, mini camps, do you see you playing the starters a lot in this game?

"Not necessarily. It'll be an individual thing. Guys that have been here and gone through the whole camp and really haven't missed that much time, they might not see as much action as say, some of the guys that have missed games. Like [CB] Carlos Rogers played more in this past preseason game than the other regulars per se because he didn't play in week two of the preseason. Everybody's kind of in a different spot individually, yet we'll try and keep the unit intact as much as possible. But it will be more on an individual basis." 

What does LB Aldon Smith have to do to make you comfortable as him as an every down type of linebacker?

"He's just got to learn his position better. That sounds like a simple statement, but it's a tall task for a guy coming from college who's played defensive end and defensive tackle to now having to be a stand up linebacker and get around pass key and drop in the right spots in zone coverage, and pick up routes accordingly the way you see them picked up. So it's a major undertaking that he's going through right now. Once he gets comfortable with that and can execute, then we'll feel more comfortable with it." 

You sort of put him in a little bit in of tough spot covering Houston Texans TE Owen Daniels on that one play. Was that by design to see what this guy can do when put in a situation like that?

"Well, it was by design that we knew he might end up having to cover the tight end. We weren't afraid to expose him to that and that's a learning experience for him right there on how to do it, how not to do it, and what to expect the next time he's put in that position." 

What did he do wrong on that play?

"He just didn't play with the right leverage and his technique was off a little bit." 

Can you protect him, scheme-wise, from getting into matchups like that during the regular season?

"Sometimes. One of the things that is commonly said by personnel people, media people, and fans is ‘this guy does this thing really good, you've got to try to keep him out of the things he doesn't do well'. Well, first question I have to answer when that's said is ‘how does that affect the other 10 players?' To cater to somebody's only strength and stay away from his weaknesses may be highlighting somebody else's weaknesses on your defense. I can't concern myself with one guy per se, although it's in my mind, just for the sake of one guy and it doesn't fit the rest of the defense. Some people like to say corners can't press, they can't do this, they can't do that. You better have two of them then. You can't just have one. It has to balance out with your defense as a whole, but yet we are cognizant of players' own strengths and weaknesses and try and highlight his strengths and lowlight his weaknesses as much as possible." 

How would you characterize where this team with defense is at this point in the preseason with one more to go and the regular season right around the corner?

"You mean in comparison to other places I've been the first year?" 

Yes, just where you'd like to be as you get ready for the first regular season game.

"I think in some ways we're fine, we're where we need to be, and other ways, we're not. We're still obviously behind from a mental standpoint as far as the whole package being implemented just because of the lost time. But we all knew that coming in so that was just something that we had to accept both as coaches and players. We had to learn the whole package in a timely process and we may never get to the whole package this year because of that." 

Is S Donte Whitner the guy that's going to be making the calls for your secondary?

"He's one of the guys. Really both safeties need to make the calls. It's always good to have one that's capable of being the so-called quarterback of the secondary and I think he fits that bill." 

[LB] Patrick [Willis] is the one with the radio?

"Yes." 

Why Patrick? Why not have the same guy who's making the calls as the guy with the radio?

"Well the radio thing is kind of tricky in a way because the DB-and some teams do use it. When I was in Baltimore one year we had a safety do it. Other years we've had linebackers do it. It's better off I think generally speaking to have the linebacker do it because he's more in the middle of everything. Sometimes the safety can be down field defending a deep throw, and he's got a lot more time to get back to the huddle to tell everybody. So you got a better chance with a linebacker being in the middle of everything more times than not being closer to everybody between plays." 

You spoke about Demarcus Dobbs, can you talk about [NT] Sealver Siliga and [NT] Ian Williams and how they're doing? Do you have some difficult choices to make at the end of the week given all the young linemen you seem to have?

"We do. You can only keep so many. Obviously we would keep at least five and keep upwards of seven, depending upon how the roster develops. Those are decisions that will be made by the end of the week, and all those guys are in the hunt somehow, someway." 

With [CB] Phillip Adams a couple of weeks ago I know you said he's not quite healthy enough to play in the slot, where is he with his health, and what about his slot responsibilities, if he's going to have any?

"I think health wise, I think you'd have to ask Phillip, but he's definitely not 100 percent. He's probably more in the 75 to 80 percent range from the ankle injury that he had, so that's holding him back some. He has some good days, some bad days, and sometimes after the rigors of training camp end, you get into more of a game week setting, the ankle will tame down a little bit, and maybe heal a little bit more. But, it's still an injury that for sure he's not over yet, and he's still rehabbing and trying to play." 

I know we talked last week a little bit about [LB] Ahmad Brooks and how well he's come along. After he had that interception for that touchdown, what's going on through your mind in terms of what a playmaker you have on defense with him?

"He's definitely capable of making big plays for us. He's done it since the first day of training camp here. We just have to work hard, both him and us as coaches, to get him not to have the negative plays. He's talented enough to do anything and everything we would ask him to do, and we need that talent to shine all the time, not just sporadically. I know he can get there and I anticipate him having a great season for us." 

Is conditioning an issue for [Ahmad Brooks]? Does he tend to have lapses when he gets tired or fatigued?

"I don't know that that's the issue. I don't think he was in great shape when he first started camp, but I do think he's in much better shape now. He was a little overweight early in camp. I think he's gotten that down. I haven't seen that being a problem lately." 

How has Ahmad been in the meetings and do you feel like he's got a pretty good grasp of your defense?

"I do. I think generally speaking he knows what we expect of him in each and every call and everything we may play. He just has to become more consistent in executing it down after down, after down. The true test will come when he's going to play every play, and generally speaking, a game will be 60 to 65-70 plays. On defense he's got to be able to execute all of those plays and not hit some potholes along the way." 

Is there a level of concern of so far with the preseason in terms of how things have gone, or is that a perception from the outside?

"You mean as it relates to the whole team?" 

Yeah.

"I don't think so. I always look at training camp and preseason games; our main jobs as coaches at an organization during training camp, which preseason games are a part of, is first and foremost to pick the right 53 guys for this team. Secondly, is to prepare this team for the regular season. I think everything we've gone through, good and bad, is helping us make the right decisions in picking the right 53, and it's helping us prepare this team for the season. Last year, I believe the preseason record here was 4-0 and that didn't translate into very much for the squad. I think you can be misled by records, but the fact of the matter is we haven't played as consistently as we need to, and we all need to feel the urgency to get that rectified pretty quick."

How does your game calling change from that fourth game to the regular season?

"It all depends upon the opponent we are playing. It could be pretty much what you've seen up to this day-up in the first three games, or it could change, and that's more based on who we're playing, and who we're playing with, and the matchups that we are going against - both from a schematic standpoint and our one-on-one matchups."

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Owen Daniels and his big plays....

To defend Aldon Smith a bit, Owen Daniels has been making big plays on LBs that has tone of experience. I would like to remind people that the only way a QB can reach 4000 yards in a season, is to complete passes…..lots of them.

Aldon Smith gave up a completion, nothing more or less. The fact that he is a rookie making changes is the only reason it is news. Manny Lawson was good at the run and the pass, but didn’t make every play.

by ericalancanty on Aug 29, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

It was more.

He totally misread the play and was way out of position. There’s a different between getting beat and blowing the coverage.

by 49er faithful on Aug 29, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aldon Smith looked passive

he not only was ineffective the whole game, he also looked like he didn’t care and didnt played that hard. when he rushed the qb he had absolutely no moves, looks like another Parys Haralson to me.

by SixDawg on Aug 29, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he was a 1 year wonder that flew under the radar and teams didn't game plan him AT ALL

and the next season he was injured and then got drafted.

Quite possibly 1 season wonder.

Has talent but how much?

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2011 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

man o man

would i love to have taken the aldon smith route

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by DudeDontTazeMe on Aug 30, 2011 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Funny you ...!!

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by Edggy on Aug 30, 2011 4:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Biggest concern? Cornerbacks

With Rogers just back on the scene and Spencer and Adams still out, the position is both thin and weak. Culliver, Brown, and Brock have looked okay (at least, not terrible) in preseason, but Culliver is a rookie and can be expected to have some costly rookie mistakes. Even if all the CBs were healthy, neither Spencer nor Brown have looked like all that much, and Adams (7th round last year) and Brock (UDFA last year) would be over-achieving to be considered reliable enough to be the third CB on the field.

by OffensiveInterference on Aug 29, 2011 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Eh...

I enjoy Harbaugh’s Belichickesque approach to press conferences much better. Cracks me up. Vic, don’t you know you’re not supposed to actually answer the repetitive and sometimes idiotic questions. Get with the program man.

by BuffaloNinersPhreek on Aug 29, 2011 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

It really is great

that it seems our coaches are going to work to extract the strengths from this team. Biggest thing that bothered me about the Singletary coaching staff was that they worked to fit the team to the scheme they wanted to run. Hopefully the coaches here will continue to learn and improve this group and to work with what they have.

by renke81 on Aug 29, 2011 8:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Did Fangio say anything that

it would be possible to see Aldon Smith take some snaps in his original position?? that would be interesting..

"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton

by Nelow on Aug 29, 2011 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

He will…like in Nickel packages, but otherwise Aldon is gonna play LB

by Doni S on Aug 29, 2011 9:09 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

i meant DE or DT..

wasn’t that his original position?

"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton

by Nelow on Aug 29, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

DE

I think that’s what they listed his position as when we drafted him

by Doni S on Aug 29, 2011 10:43 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I dont know why.

He was drafted to play 34 OLB… he played DE at Missouri in college.

He will be a probowl guy. He just has to get used to coverage on TE’s. He is certainly athletic and fast enough. He can run a 4.67, so he can keep up, just needs to learn techinique. He will be up to speed by the bye week I’d imagine

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly...

Fangio did not admit that he as absolutely no idea how to coach Aldon Smith into doing said objectives better

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 29, 2011 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

this

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if Demarcus Dobbs plays well and looks like a starter in this league...

We’ll be able to trade him for a 7th round pick.

So says Fangio

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 29, 2011 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

clarification

Can you explain why you think you know more than Vic Fangio and the FO department?

by David Fucillo on Aug 29, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you upset that the 49ers traded Taylor Mays for a 7th round pick?

Your remarks concerning Coach Fangio concerning both Aldon Smith and Demarcus Dobbs leads me to believe that you felt that Mays looked like a starter in this league. The problem was that last year they gave him the chance and he didn’t do well so they benched him. And apparently he didn’t do well or did really bad at the beginning of TC so they gave up on him.

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 29, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

ncie because Mays really looked like a starter

which is why when the coaches said there were 5 safeties who could start they didn’t list Mays. Of course you know more about this than the coaches do its not like its their job.

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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could have done a better job than Singletary. So could a lot of posters on this board

Being an NFL coach (On your 4th pro team with no prior long term success) doesn’t inherantly make you a good coach..

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2011 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fangio speaks coherently, in complete sentences!

I can actually read his script!

Aldon will find his comfort zone in third down situations. Can’t believe folks are casually passing judgement on him at this point. These unjustified observations remind of Tanier’s Grand Unification Theory of Fandom – “for every early-season or preseason action, there is an unequal and opposite overreaction.”

by Mood_Indigo on Aug 29, 2011 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

The entire coaching staff gives much better pressers.

But pressers are not going to win football games. Good coaching and team effort will.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec

Pre Snap reads, if Smith doesn't get better at it, we made a HUGE mistake!!!

by rlott#42 on Aug 29, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sing started with the best pressers. Just hard to pump up the crowd when you get blown up

by mcwagner on Aug 29, 2011 10:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

On a different note, Vick's big payday

6-year contract. Per Adam Schefter, Vick will make $100 million over the duration of the contract, with about $40 million of that coming in guaranteed money.

by Mood_Indigo on Aug 29, 2011 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

A good portion of that goes to his debt and he is on an allowance. Dude’s bank account will be impressive when he retires. Good for Vick. Do the right thing Michael.

by mcwagner on Aug 29, 2011 10:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

time to bankroll

more dog fights…

by Doni S on Aug 29, 2011 10:46 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Is it too much to ask that I get some sharks with freaking laser beams!
We have sea bass.
Are they ill-tempered?
Very.

by mcwagner on Aug 29, 2011 10:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thread hijack

Kevin Lynch is saying that there the “49ers could conceivably lose a draft pick” for allowing Crabtree to “practice” today. The hits just keep on coming.

Hey Jimmy, I’m one of your biggest fans and think you’re a hell of a coach but you’re not coaching in a vacuum anymore my friend. It’s the NFL, act like it.

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:07 PM PDT reply actions  

That's just ridiculous

Peyton Manning was throwing balls while in the PUP list and they were only given a warning.

by Ni9er on Aug 29, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But the fact that Ballke basically had to come out and tell Crabtree to get off the field tells me someone (Harbaugh) didn’t know the protocol.

F’ing amateurs dude.

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

this?
He also caught a warm-up throw from coach Jim Harbaugh.

what is a “warm up throw”?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

before practice

just warming up. He wasn’t dressed up to practice he was just catching some balls with some friends/teammates

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

he wasn't even running routes

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually he wasn't even running

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kevin Lynch is a bomb thrower

Not sure how he was offended but his little feelings got hurt somehow.

by Jaxson876 on Aug 30, 2011 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

which is obviously how everyone around felt

until the GM stepped up and thought it may be a problem. Something only someone from the outside looking in would find objectionable….

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

it wasn't even during practice time I believe

I think it was before this is seriously overblown where was the NFL when Peyton Manning did this.

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

they policed themselves

the league would be foolish to act on that.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

But why?

Who was going to find out?

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

NFL spys

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it's not getting better, it's getting worse...

I think they need a change of slogan pronto

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

meanwhile

Josh McDaniels is in filming from the bushes

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

act like it?

he may not have even been around. Baalke came up and told him to stop.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harbaugh was throwing him balls. He was around.

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

where?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barrows Tweet

“Michael Crabtree indeed seems closer to returning from a broken foot. The WR caught about 25 passes from various QBs, including Harbaugh…”

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah one 5 yard "warm up pass"

so its against the rules to throw a football to a guy in shorts and sneekers before practice sessions?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

Honestly I didn’t even know the rule existed but then again I’m not a head coach in the NFL. It’s Harbaugh’s job to know this is it not?

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

also Lynch is an idiot
Someone, somewhere then tried to blame the selection of Mays on former coach Mike Singletary. That’s weak. It’s Baalke draft, and if he really did not believe Mays was worth a second-rounder, he should have asserted his authority.

what was his acting title again…? it wasn’t GM!

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

here's another gem
Also without studying film of the Texans’ defense, the offensive line looked lost and once again, the quarterbacks were abused. With no time to throw, how can coaches evaluate receivers and quarterbacks?

I guess nobody told him they were 4 man rushes…

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter if it was Sing's or Baalke's to be honest.

He obviously either was A) not performing up to close to where he shoulda, or B) did not fit the scheme whatsoever

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

according to him it's clearly Baalkes failure

the only thing clear is that that is not clear at all

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It read like the other piece of garbage I just wasted 4 minutes reading.

I have now wasted 8 total minutes of my life today reading something that may as well be written in MAD Magazine

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lynch's article are always garbage

he’s readily and justifiably trashed in the comments

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh oh

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's really nothing

Just some quotes and summaries…

I tried to be as objective as possible but some will still say its garbage… I get about 2-4 people per every article that I write.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

when I say that he gets it in the comments

I mean that its way above average, and usually its pretty clear that he has no idea what he’s talking about

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh.

I wonder why he was given a spot over there.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he was just saying

that Lynch gets hammered over there… but after reading that, I’d have to agree that its for good reason

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

2-4 now

4-8 for prospects

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

when you say article you don't mean on NN or do you mean on NN.

Because I know you write for BR and your own website.

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually don't write for my own, just manage.

I am taking a step back with B/R I think, undecided at this point.

And, yes, it will be here on NN, the one tomorrow.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

very nice

and I assume on saturday we will get an open thread about the awesomeness of Kellen Moore and ya other teams

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Call it

Kellen Moore returns and other college teams/players that no one really cares about.

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 30, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've heard Maiocco say this too

Not how I remember the situation but I wasn’t there.

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

it’s common knowledge, just didn’t fit his story idea “49ers keep making mistakes” crappy journalism at its finest

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not what I'm saying

I’ve heard Maiocco say that Mays is on Ballke as well.

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to know how

from what I remember Sing had the final call

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

but it’s weird that I’ve heard a couple people say it. I seem to remember it differently as well. I think the problem is that there wasn’t (isn’t?) a clear power structure so it’s really hard to say what exactly went down. Neither Baalke nor Singletary have really addressed have they?

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Move Baalke back to where he was at and give Harbaugh full power.

He can spot talent. Stanford’s roster is stacked and he had his hands in on a lot of that recruiting.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know there is a difference in recruiting for college and the NFL

But Harbaugh has seen both first-hand and I think has a good idea of how both work.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

so he’s not going to risk it, we seem to forget how much Sing was given

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

you know if he did a little research

 he would have noticed that Sing had control over personnel

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Fooch always says

Facts should never come in the way of a good argument paper

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

why do reasearch

when your objective is to fuel the talk radio unrest about preseason games, maybe he thought he was blogging

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey a paranoid audience is an active audience

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 29, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

clearly

look at the activity since I posted the link.

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baalke was Director of Player Personnel during 2010 draft

Lynch’s obtuseness appears to have increased since he has had to compete with Eric Branch for blog real estate.

The draft board was 90% set when McLoughan departed. Sing had a say in the personnel decision written into his contract, if I recall correctly.

by Mood_Indigo on Aug 30, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could just give up Norris instead and call it good ...!!

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by Edggy on Aug 30, 2011 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man I thought that "fans" will act hystirical

but I never thought that they’ll descend to calling some players busts based on the preseason.

by Ni9er on Aug 29, 2011 11:09 PM PDT reply actions  

This is rather telling of the 49ers personnell strategy with a shortened offseason

they have to both evaluate and prepare players in what 4 weeks? a new system, new players

You sort of put him in a little bit in of tough spot covering Houston Texans TE Owen Daniels on that one play. Was that by design to see what this guy can do when put in a situation like that?

“Well, it was by design that we knew he might end up having to cover the tight end. We weren’t afraid to expose him to that and that’s a learning experience for him right there on how to do it, how not to do it, and what to expect the next time he’s put in that position.”

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

If I was Harbaugh in this situation

I would be preparing for these preseason games 1 day out of the week, and then working on game-planning, installing, etc for the 1st game of the year…maybe more than that. He knew he would be way behind, so why not?

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually one of the commenters

I think figured this out. I shared the sentiment that they needed game 3 to figure out who the RIGHT 53 were, and then game 4 would be the “dress rehearsal”.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think game four should be.

The last thing we need is injuries… I think they need to take ALL these days and use them wisely. Week 4 doesn’t mean much to the Chargers, so all you are doing is giving your 1st string a false sense of hope when they wax the 2nd string Chargers team.

I say rest em’ and use this time to start looking at Seattle and Dallas.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only way things could get worse

Gore tears his knee on the first play of the game.

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there is a lot more than that, that could go wrong...

We have quite a few difference makers on this team.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am too

Which is why I would put zero effort in to that Chargers game. It’s pointless.

I’d roll out all our second team and let them roll that whole game.

Kaep, Hunter, Dixon, Morgan, Ginn, Williams, BUT… I would make and exception for the Oline. They have got to get more in-game reps.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta start looking at Seattle

so that come game time we know everything they are going to do before they do it.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would it surprise you to see the 1st team play the entire first half?

With a few exceptions (Gore,etc). Nobody looks ready to go based on Saturday’s performance.

by AptosNinerFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

getting the offense some rhythm before the season

even against 2nd teamers would be nice

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 29, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it builds false hope and rhythm .

Going in there and crushing the Chargers 2nd string in the first half could do damage. And if it backfires, and the team comes out flat, that will carry in to the first game.

I think you have to reserve the starters and start game-planning for the real deal now. Maybe one series but that’s all I’d do.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 29, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Preseason momentum carrying into regular season is overrated.

If the Niners come out of the Chargers game without any injuries, I would pronounce the preseason to be a success. They would have evaluated some backup talentand identified their weaknesses.

by Mood_Indigo on Aug 30, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Will crushing the Chargers 2s even happen?

So what does it do to the team if our firsts can’t crush the Chargers seconds? Our O-line looked so bad last game versus even a vanilla defense, the only crushing that takes place may involve their defense and our quarterbacks.

An allowance for the O-line might be reasonable for the debacle against the Saints due to the lack of prep time and the quality of the opponent. The better results against the Raiders is heartening, but it was just the Raiders. To be blown out so badly by Houston, and to have sacks/pressures surrendered by each of our starters just seems to indicate that the line may just be that bad.

I hope this is just preseason rust and a “learning opportunity”. While I haven’t been expecting a winning record this year, I had been looking forward to the O-line improvement that was forecast with the tempering our two rookies had last year, Boone’s continued improvement, our new ProBowl center, Rachal’s contract year push, and Staley finally showing the results expected of his draft position.

Sorry to be so negative; I hate feeling this way about any of our team, let alone a whole position group. How about some positives that I’m missing?

by OffensiveInterference on Aug 30, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

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