NFL Free Agents 2011: Malcom Floyd vs. Braylon Edwards vs. Other
by David Fucillo on Aug 3, 2011 11:18 AM PDT
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PrintThe latest news has the San Francisco 49ers in the running with Baltimore, Carolina, Arizona, and San Diego for the services of wide receiver Malcom Floyd. The 49ers wide receiver position has a lot of talent mixed in, but there are also plenty of question marks. The most notable question is Michael Crabtree, who is sidelined with a foot injury. Although he will reportedly sit out four to six weeks, foot injuries are tricky, so it remains to be seen whether complications could lengthen that timetable.
After Crabtree, the 49ers have receivers with plenty of upside, but it remains relatively unproven. Josh Morgan and Ted Ginn are currently working as the starters, although Morgan has been inconsistent throughout his career while Ted Ginn struggles to hang onto catches. Ginn retains value in the return game, but his receiving skills have never quite matched the upside expectations coming out of Ohio State.
After those two, you've got second year receiver Kyle Williams, rookie Ronald Johnson, second year UDFA Kevin Jurovich, and several other rookie UDFAs. I know people have high hopes for Williams and/or Johnson, but until they prove it on the field, question marks will abound.
Which brings us to the news that the 49ers are pursuing Malcom Floyd. As it currently stands, Scouts Inc's top three rated free agent receivers are Braylon Edwards, Steve Smith (NYG) and Malcom Floyd. They give Edwards an 83, Smith an 80, and Floyd a 77.
At this point, the 49ers have only been connected to Floyd in the media. Edwards has more upside than Floyd and has flashed that considerable potential during his seven year career. Although his overall numbers have been up and down, when healthy he's put up some impressive yards per catch numbers. This past year with the Jets he set a career high for YPC with 17.1. That's .8 yards higher than Vernon Davis, who led the 49ers last year.
It's worth noting that Floyd also has turned into a YPC machine. He averaged a career high 19.4 yards per catch, albeit on 37 receptions. He's never had a big breakout season, but at this point, are the 49ers just looking for someone to fit in the middle of the pack with their receivers?
And then there's Steve Smith who has really not been mentioned all too frequently here. He had a huge year in 2009 with 107 receptions, but followed that up with 48 receptions in 2010, leaving folks to wonder where his value really lies. He hasn't been connected at all to the 49ers and all I've seen are a couple random tweets about maybe the Arizona Cardinals having any interest.
What are your thoughts on the wide receivers and how much the 49ers should invest in a free agent receiver?
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i don’t think the niners need another receiver. crabtree is fine, he just doesn’t do preseason. if the niners needed to spend money, it’s on other positions.
way too easy to get decent receivers in the draft. no way niners go after edwards either with his off-field bs.
No Faith
It’s ez to sit here and say we don’t need another receiver. We get one in the draft, Well buddy the draft is not to next year, The season starts in a few weeks, Crabtree is out a few weeks, I guess you like them 0-5 starts of the season don’t you, The 49ers will get a receiver, I don’t have much faith in Ginn or Morgan behine Crabtree anyway. Go 9ers
crabtree will be ready for the season opener
he just doesn’t do preseason
and i’m a firm believer this offense (or team even) was undercoached. niners could skip adding another receiver and be better than 0-5.
and wouldn’t matter who we could bring in this year, we were never going 5-0 to start. that would take building through the draft and extra patience.
braylon edwards is a criminal. niners would be worse if the signed him, not better.
T.O.
Cmon. Cmoooooooon.
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by TryAndCatchVD on Aug 3, 2011 11:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Terrel Owens couldn't teach a dog to bark.
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Frank Gore has earned his place among the great running backs of the NFL - Pat Willie on NN
I'm also for giving TO a look
The fact he’s TO and coming off a major injury makes him someone the 9ers might actually be able to land. And I think he’d be a positive force both on the field and off…. at least with Crabtree. You can find a lot of negatives with TO but one thing that’s never questioned is his work ethic and effort on the field. Sign TO and hope some of that rubs off on Crabs.
The 49ers have enough cap space to pick up 2 wide recievers
Edwards and Floyd would be a good combo deal. I like Morgan and Crabtree just fine, but why not add a couple extra. We can have fresh legs all season and give Smith some extra targets.
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by Pat Willie on Aug 3, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We'll turn into the Saints
With all the different personnel packages we can throw at teams. I love the idea as it’d be a nightmare to try and prepare for our schemes.
Got love for the WCC. Go Lions!
by SnakesOnAPlane on Aug 3, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Too much money invested in one position group...
If we’re going to tie up money at a single position to effectively help the offense, it’ll be at RB with a stable of starting caliber guys who can consistently pound the ball. Think about the fact that Harbaugh favors a “power running” attack and multiple TE packages.
by 9thevolution on Aug 3, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Approve or not...
Baalke is more likely to invest money in the RB or TE group than a ton of cap taken up by the WRs.
No point in picking up 2 WRs
We will be using a lot of 2 TE formations. Delanie and Vernon will be playing most downs
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His name is spelled "Malcom." Get it straight.
His older brother’s name, on the other hand, is “Malcolm.”
Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.
Because ...
…. Malcom is one L of a guy !! Unlike his brother : )
by SydneyNiner on Aug 3, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too kind
pressure to be funny from now on !!
….but as a proud Englishman living in Sydney – I am from London too – moved down under in ’98 : )
So to be compared to LondonNiner (it was the inspiration for my tag) is great thanks : )
haha, how's Australia?
I have a friend from New Zealand who claims that “Football is for sissies” and that real men take off their pads and play rugby .
I have to say though, I think pads make football more dangerous, as defenders are more prone to deliver crushing blows you’d never even think about without padding (because you might injure yourself hitting the other guy!)
I'm tired of
having to use the same argument here time and time again. That said Aussie “no” Rules Football and Rugby League … well they take no prisoners. I love Australia, my wife is Aussie, great life style and now we’ve got ESPN on cable they started showing the gridiron over here so I’ve got back into it.
I used to play when I was in London during the 80’s, it’s great to be back – especially at the beginning of a new era (I hope).
Are in San Fran ? I visited once – loved it.
Never been to Australia, wish I could
I grew up in San Fran as a child (hence the 49er fan) but then moved to Los Angeles and now in Connecticut. (CT sucks.)
Exchange rate is pretty crummy at the moment...
… a few people from work are going to SF later in the year very Jealous. We travelled for 6 weeks across the US and I loved it …. although the 2 days in St Louis were not that great – horrible place, horrible team : )
Haha never been to Missouri
but I can only imagine what the South is like.
Hope you can make a Niner game sooner or later. How’d you get into the team? Especially being from London/Sydney
Well in the 80’s they started a weekly round up TV show on the NFL. I thought that looks great, then there was a local team advertising for people to join so I thought what the hell. I have American football to thank for 3 knee operations : )
Still loved it. Played for a team eventually called the London Lasers.
I’ve seen the Broncos play the Chargers in Sydney before the 2000 Olympics – although it was a terrible pre-season game loads of mistakes.
Would love to have had the chance to see a game at Candlestick I guess by the next time I get out there we’ll be in a new stadium ?
Ooops
the reason I follow the 9ers – the first full game I watched 9ers vs cowboys – I had to go for San Fran. We flogged them Dwight Clarke caught a touchdown pass and Madden was commentating the game it was great !
Let us sure hope so
Would love to have had the chance to see a game at Candlestick I guess by the next time I get out there we’ll be in a new stadium
This team has far more to gain than it has to lose by signing a quality free agent WR.
As it stands, we have a crew of unprovens and nobodies. In my opinion, our second-biggest receiving threat on the roster right now is Delanie Walker. I love Delanie, but that’s pathetic.
I’m not too high on Malcolm Floyd, and I certainly wouldn’t advocate overpaying for him, but I would fully support throwing 1-to-2 year offers at guys like Braylon Edwards or TO. All we really need is someone on the outside who commands enough respect to keep defenses honest. We can figure out the long term situation of the position later on, but I think it’s safe to say that, barring a breakout season from Crabtree (and a little more durability), “the answer” at WR for the future of this team is not currently on the roster.
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out of the blue
Just wondering read an article carlos rogers was signed by the 49ers is this true because on yahoo they say nothing about the signing???
Its all over the front page man
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Malcom Floyd! He is 6’5" tall. Braylon Edwards may face a Four-Game suspension due to his DUI conviction.
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by Tantrum16 on Aug 3, 2011 11:37 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
his height is a good point
he adds a different element to the game than anyone else on the roster, wouldn’t be replacing crabtree (or morgan) but rather working in with them.
This
We dont have anybody on the roster with his length. We have a bunch of 6’ or shorter guys who are shifty and can run all the routes but nobody of his length. He could be great in the endzone running fade routes and out jumping the DB for the ball at its highest point
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Let's Get Malcom in the Middle!
Yeah we could use him immediately and would start and immediately give our QB a tall and fast target to hit, and stop them from stacking the box against our usual offense (Frank the Tank)
What are they saying about Kevin Jurovich at camp?
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Floyd
He’s large, and probably has a few years left. These things I like.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Was 48 just temporary
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I forgot 99 was Lawsons number.
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***Homer Alert***
Matt Freakin Jones!!!. Lets GO people. This is what we need. 6’6", very fast. He didn’t get a very fair shot in Jacksonville.
and he’s really sorry about the drug thing, honest. Anyway, If he’s clean, I would LOVE to see him in red and gold. Talk about a mismatch nightmare.
And yes, I will likely post this or something like it every year until he dies of an OD or plays somewhere. This guy is just wasted talent. He’s been clean. Everyone else gets a second shot, why NOT him?
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
One of these is more likely than the other.
until he dies of an OD or plays somewhere
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He sucks, plus he isnt smart, choppin up rocks in a vehicle? Hes an idiot, PASS.
Wait for it, wait for it, yeah 49ers sign, an undrafted free agent, AGAIN!!
The 49ers absolutely need another receiver.
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by James Brady on Aug 3, 2011 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Don't know why
we don’t go for both ? Get some more healthy competition at WR – has to help all aspects of he offence right?
Don’t think we need 2, although I’d like to have a good replacement for Crabs. We might have to cut a decent prospect if we keep 2, though.
I'd be happy if this was our WR depth chart in order
Floyd
Edwards
Crabtree
Johnson
Morgan
I like that you put Morgan last, because I don't like him much either...
He’s just too slow and I hate how he drags his feet and can’t get separation. What would the Forty Niners get for him in a trade? A seventh rounder? haha…
Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.
That said ...
…he does seem to contribute to the comic relief around camp : )
True...
and concerning Edwards, I don’t think I’d want him because he has too many off-field issues. Did you know he was with Donte Stallworth that one night right before Stallworth committed manslaughter while driving drunk? The guy just has a bad aura about him…
Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.
they're rebuilding
you have to leave space for the young guys to step in and show what they’ve got.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 3, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The 49ers should sign John Broussard!!
He’s Kevin Jurovich’s friend
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Harbaughcalypse Now
Crab and Williams both seem very injury prone.
Maybe we ahev to cut our losses on Williams ?
he had one bad season
player deserves 3 seasons to see if they can overcome injuries
You forgot Steve Smith.
I know he had a stress fracture to his knee but he not had that, he would’ve been the number one free agent this year. I don’t know if the Giants will re-sign him.
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Steve Smith
is who I would like see signed (bearing a physical of course).
the Forty-Smithers!
Even without that stress fracture, Sidney Rice would still have been the most coveted.
Also who I would prefer.
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Rice
had one great year when Brett Favre was there, in Favre’s career season to boot. Not a 100 percent sold on him for that price tag
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say I'd be a buyer at the price he went for. But he was a guy I was hoping for before free agency started.
Hoped he might go under the radar.
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me neither
Injury history, and only one good season. I think the Hawks overpaid tbh
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So Crabs gets the benefit of the doubt because of his given QB situation, but not Rice?
Think about it, okay, we should be on the same page now.
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He was the best WR available in FA, hands down.
Wait for it, wait for it, yeah 49ers sign, an undrafted free agent, AGAIN!!
I'd prefer Floyd, Smith and Edwards in that order.
Smith is my favorite, but he was injured last year and I’ve heard it may be a career altering one. But that is why his stats were so much lower as he only played in 9 games. When healthy he was a fantastic receiver, and if the team cleared him that would be the guy I’d want.
Floyd would be a better fit and I’m less concerned about his injury history, but I don’t think he is as good as the other two.
And Edwards I’m not a fan of. I want him far away from Crabtree and the rest of the young players on the team.
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#49ers sign LB Blake Costanzo to a 1-year deal. He was with Niners ST coach Brad Seely last year in Cleveland. The two are meeting right now
That is an extremely solid ST pickup
It is going to go under the radar, but with him Spillman, McKillop the 49ers ST is going to be extremely solid. Take into account David Akers and Andy Lee, that part of the team appears set. Real nice pickup
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
nice
But do you guys think with the new kickoff rule, ST will be hugely effected with there being way more touchbacks, maybe even non existent?
Exactly
punt coverage and returns have been our undoing over the last few seasons, it was fixed a bit late last season, but this will help out a great deal. Besides, he forces and recovers a great amount of fumbles on ST
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
also
NFLN did a bit on SF. It’s been a screwy day no doubt.
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by Giant Voodoo on Aug 3, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Donte Whitner
announcing his decision today… rumors were Niners and Bengals… anyone else hear about this
Most likely the Bengals
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't need anyone... this guy will be our #1 (True #1) by midseason
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Wouldn't wish it on anyone but...
… the poor guy is injury prone.
People who claim that are really misinformed.
He had a couple injuries his FIRST year, never before that and he has been fine so far this year. He didn’t stretch good enough or something the other day but he is taking snaps and his fine…. and will be fine.
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we could say all kinds of things about Crabtree and Frank Gore too
but you don’t see anyone making those kind of remarks. He had a couple of snags last year but it’s no reason to think he will this year.
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I said earlier in this page...
…crabtree was injury prone. Not as concerned about Gore – I think Dixon and Hunter both provide good potential cover. Just don’t think we have the depth at WR that’s all.
your opinion I guess.
I totally disagree… there is a lot of potential that will finally get used correctly in the WCO
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I hope you are right : )
I was using this in my mind to justify going after Floyd and Edwards – lets face it that is highly unlikely. I’d be happy with either. The way this pre-season is going we’d have to make a strong play for both in the hopes of getting one, if that makes any sense – it is 5:45am here : )
Floyd knows one route and is not very quick.
Edwards has had off-field issues…
I think the Niners have plenty of targets between VD, Walker, Gore, Crabs, Williams, Morgan, Johnson, etc
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But come on ....
….. it’s fun spending someone else’s millions !! ; )
As long as
Floyd doesn’t attack Harbaugh with a spoon, the only piece of silverware missing from his most recent run in with the law
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fail: Edwards
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
are you being serious about
williams being the #1? Umm..one catch in five games played last year?
Isnt that just a little bit of homerism?
Kaep strutting in the background
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by Giant Voodoo on Aug 3, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He will give Alex a good run for his money for that starting job.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 3, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Alex will start but he will be on a short leash...
If he is not performing up to standard by week 3 or 4, I think he will get the hook for good this time.
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Just stay healthy & keep pluggin alone Kyle Williams you'll be alright
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 3, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should put down the pom poms, thats some delusional ass cheerleading.
Wait for it, wait for it, yeah 49ers sign, an undrafted free agent, AGAIN!!
Probably could've included why you feel he CANNOT be...
but…you know, usually when people don’t know how to communicate productively….this is the other way to go with it.
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Alex didn't even have it that bad...at least his was in a game.
They keep booing him and chanting “we want Orton, we want Orton”
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Chad Henne getting boo'd in camp
is like the boo birds coming out with Zito. It makes sense, but sucks nonetheless
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Get Braylon for 2 years
I like Malcolm Floyd but as I pointed out in an earlier thread Rivers makes everyone look good so you dont know what your getting, for proof watch the Chargers in Houston game last year they had guys off the street hauling in 100 yds. There is a bad history with receivers from prolific passing offenses, not to say there aren’t exceptions but still. Braylon produced in relatively pathetic offenses CLE and even the JETS weren’t a stud offense. Nothing long term but if you could move Morgan to a #3 which I think is where he truly belongs and have Crabs as the flanker we would have a really high powered offense if Alex is anything better than average. If Crabs can bloom into his own you have two #1’s and they have to honor the over the top with Braylon, as much as Im probably still from his TT days Crabs biggest fan, we all have to be realistic and say he is not a consistent deep threat. All that being said I think having Olin Kreutz is the most impactful potential signing, and long term residual benefit too (in order to mentor Beeler). As in baseball, championships are won up the middle in football (between the hashes) perimeter guys can change the game and a team but typically just aren’t in a position to make as dramatic of a difference.
On a side note while TO is hurt it seems like he’s grown up these past few years I’d love to see him come back and retire a niner and make amends for the destruction he caused at the beginning of the 00’s
Don't want Edwards
Seems like a headcase and would be a bad influence on our younger players, as someone pointed out earlier. He may be the most talented of the bunch, but I think it takes more than talent to win consistently.
Wouldnt mind picking up one of them
I am still intrigued as to see if Ziegler can stay healthy what he can do. Williams and Johnson i like a lot also and can see them def making the team if healthy. Ginn is expendable as a WR but his return presence is always nice. Anybody know how ginn is handling first team snaps? Morgan hasnt been considtent but has shown some flashes, on the fence about him.
Floyd is the guy i would like them to get. 1.Crabs 2. Floyd 3. Morgan 4. Williams 5. Johnson 6. Ziegler/ginn?
I jumped the gun on projecting him on the 53 man roster
If San Francisco signs a vet, he will probably be the odd man out
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Your right
Ginn may not be a great reciever but his return presence and his presence alone on the field as a WR has to keep the defense honest for the deep game.
I'm just wondering if that will be enough
We have so many guys that can contribute in the return game now that I’m not sure it will be enough to save Ginn.
Why do you not like Morgan?
I thought he did really well last year, but it seems like everyone’s out to get him. His numbers weren’t amazing but he did seem to be at least Alex’s #1 wideout.
Morgan is so incredibly overrated
Far too many drops, and all his completions are short
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Alright, I disagree with you but maybe that's just because I like the dude.
I’d never say he’s a #1 or anything, but he seemed pretty solid last season for how bad the whole team was. I’m sure the coaching staff knows better than any of us, so I trust them to work out the depth chart. I’d like us to keep him though.
Yep
I like Morgan too, he’s a 6th round pick who made it as our number 2 WR. But he plays like a 6th round pick, and just hasn’t improved. The league has more quality WRs now than ever before, and having Morgan as a number two just isn’t good enough imo
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Also, I get the sense that Harbaugh is not going to use many 3 or 4 WR sets
as we have two very good TEs (Walker and Davis). This would limit Morgan quite a bit, especially if we bring in a veteran free agent. He’s definitely good enough for #4 though: I think when it all shakes out it’ll be Crabs/(unspecified FA)/Williams/Morgan.
Yeah, agreed entirely mate
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We went deep to him
on a higher percentage of targets than Crabs or Vernon, and he was in the top 5 of the league on average yards after the catch.
His numbers were inflated due to a few numbers of completions that he broke for long yardage
His YAC was high, because so many completions were short and allowed him to gain like 5-10 yards on each completion
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I've heard he has been struggling in camp with hanging on to stuff
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Maiocco reported that he has been dropping passes that are right in the bread basket.
He no longer has the “it came down like a punt” excuse to run with.
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Sad times.
But, out with the old and in with the new! I still think Crabtree can play well, he strikes me as more media-shy than diva and he’s still got talent. I think picking up a FA WR is a good idea, although I’d be bummed about Braylon Edwards.
Next season’s draft I’m hoping for depth at corner and a great WR.
I think Crabtree could play in the slot
I think he could be a Wes Welker-type, getting lost by the defense because of his small size running amongst all those big bodies (of course he doesn’t have Welker’s speed or route-running ability, at least not yet).
Crabtree is not a "diva"
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And he definitely has reason to,
because everything he says gets taken the worst possible way. I feel bad for him. But you can’t deny he’s injury-prone, and definitely under-achieved with Alex Smith last year.
I don't know how that surgery on his foot didn't help
Surgeries are suppose to fix problems, not make them worse
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I remember specificially
That Crabtree seemed to have trouble with the pace at which Alex Smith makes his throws (resulted in a couple interceptions off tipped balls).
Could be something to watch out for as Kaepernick steps into the starting role (he definitely has a bit of pace on his throws!).
Crabtree was at fault for two of Alex's picks last season
and several more incompletions. I’ve never thought that he’s a diva, and his preparation seems excellent, but the injuries are a concern, as you mentioned
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Yeah, his numbers are inflated because of a few plays that he broke for long yardage.
I’d much rather see Kyle Williams or Johnson, as the number two WR
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I think he just has problems getting open
Which also contributes to Alex Smith’s poor performances, as I think he panics a bit when his first option isn’t open.
Rating
When throwing to Morgan smith’s qb rating was like 110-120 I think. Somewhere in that range. Can’t have that many drops I suppose…
Floyd , crabs n williams
Then add vd n delanie;)
by mrb24 on Aug 3, 2011 12:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Possibly discouraging news on Floyd
It is being reported that teams in on his are attempting to restructure contracts in order to get in compliance and sign him prior to tomorrow. This could be the hold up on him signing, and could signal San Francisco isn’t his choice.
Additionally, if teams are looking to reset their cap by restructuring current contracts it would seem Floyd is going to get a multi year, multi million dollar deal; which San Francisco has been hesitant to give this season.
I still think the 49ers are the front runners, but it isn’t clear cut at this point
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Not if we pursue Braylon.
Wait for it, wait for it, yeah 49ers sign, an undrafted free agent, AGAIN!!
not arguing that, he is a damn idiot as well.
Wait for it, wait for it, yeah 49ers sign, an undrafted free agent, AGAIN!!
I don't care if he was one of the three stooges, if he can help the 49ers win football games, then he can.
That’s all that matters.
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He can lose them too.
Nothin but a jive Turkey.
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curious
What makes you think 49ers are front runners?
Jason's Lacanfora's report
that he “may” sign with San Francisco today. He hasn’t been linked to other teams that in-depth at this point. Just a gut feeling because he is a solid inside man in terms of free agency
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If he's wanting a multi-year
multi-million dollar deal I’d have to advocate against signing him.
He’s shown great deep jump ball ability, but less ability on other routes and has disappeared for large stretches of time in one of the most efficient passing offenses of the NFL with multiple other weapons to prevent him from being doubled.
I don’t mind buying a pig in a poke, as long as I’m paying pennies and not dollars.
No
But, as a betting man I think he will sign with the 49ers
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Any talent can help...
Just avoid the locker room cancers and you’ll be fine. That tends to be a tricky proposition with a lot of WRs, lol.
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Adam Schefter:
Jets free agent WR Braylon Edwards is scheduled to meet tonight with the San Francisco 49ers. Could be a prime spot for a 1-yr deal.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:02 PM PDT reply actions
2 year deal please
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But 1 year deal he will most likely behave more, as he will want to earn a big time/multi year contract after next season.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 3, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
What about both Edwards and Floyd?
It is a long shot, but the 49ers could let Zeigler and Ginn go
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Doubt it
Delanie and Vernon will be used so extensively, that Crabtree wouldn’t play much then
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We. Don't. Need. Floyd
He is not a good fit for the WCO… don’t know how many more times we have to go through this.
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nah don't think so
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You sure?
I thought he was scheduled to visit before he met with the Cards.
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I thought so too
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember reading about him meeting the Cards,
and thinking I’d like him to meet with the Niners
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I think
I read an article that read as though he would be but the wording was “should” rather than will visit.
hmm
well they seem to be inking people now so we can all cross our fingers. If they do, we will most likely see that boot miraculously come off Crabtree’s foot.
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maybe maybe
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs in 2012, hopefully! :)
he is probably unhappy with Jets
low-balling him.
Well
he isn’t returning to the Jets anyway. They signed Plaxico
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Rex said
Jets head coach Rex Ryan said today that the Jets would gladly sign Edwards if Edwards were willing to play for the kind of contract the Jets are willing to offer.
49ers front office
Get Floyd and prove you want to be competitive..we definitely need him with our shallow wr core.
Don't mind him
he only likes 4, maybe 5 football players in the world…..
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
by Arkie49er on Aug 3, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, Alex isn't the most accurate of down-the-field passers.
Floyd is real solid in that respect.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 3, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
We have a few players that can stretch the field already on the roster, we don't need anymore.
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Umm...there is more than just those two..
Williams, Walker, Johnson, etc
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oh no
there you go again with williams..see: one catch, five yards last year.
Johnson: no nfl experience..
Walker usually dont send both TEs on the post/flys
Translation: We need help
Okay... whatever you think.
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intelligent
and your comments arent congruous.
by 11allstar on Aug 3, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Opposite of fantasy actually
with all the pessimism, I’d say it’s more of your own personal nightmare
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Why
are you always getting into fights with people? Who’s the one common factor… hmmm……
:P
True.
My point was that Floyd is a jump ball kind of WR. Alex tends to throw short a decent amount of time on the deep throws, and Floyd is pretty good at adjusting/jump balls.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 3, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
honestly none of the WRs out there have
Holmes was the one guy, but he wasn’t really available
I think Smith is the most west coast guy, but who is to say that guys like Williams and Johnson can’t be the generic successful WCO receivers who run crisp routes, get out of breaks and catch the damn ball.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 3, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
braylon edwards
put up 900 years with sanchez, so you know he’s used to dealing with, and producing with an average QB
900 years?
I want some of whatever Braylon is smoking! lol
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17.2 AVG in 2009, 19.4 AVG in 2010. Would add that deep threat, and can actually catch the ball; unlike Ginn
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hes been a #3 option his entire career, what do you expect.
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With all of the cons that come with Edwards...
He is certainly a very talented player. The the right coaching and offense, he could be a beast. I hope that visit turns into a 49ers contract.
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they must be very very worried about crabtree being out a long time
to even entertain someone like Edwards
by whistlingmountain on Aug 3, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Not necessarily true
The 49ers were looking to upgrade at that position prior to Crabtree’s injury
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Before Crabtree's injury was public
Not before his injury.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 3, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Funny we are after Edwards,
We were either going to take Alex Smith or Edwards with the first overall pick in 2005
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by whistlingmountain on Aug 3, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
could've had the first 4 picks of the 2005 draft
tells you a little about that draft class . . . .
Something just popped into my head
The 49ers did upgrade the secondary this off-season. Carlos Rogers and Williams are upgrades over Clements and Goldson in terms of coverage, which was our weakest link in 2010
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:16 PM PDT reply actions
yep :)
Aldon is an upgrade over Lawson, and Kreutz or Goodwin would be upgrades over Baas, Culliver is an improvement over any nickel we used last season too
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There's also the small matter
…of that slight improvement we’ll have in head coaching ability. :)
Minor details right?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? What OLB can cover a TE man to man now? Ill save you the effort NONE
Wait for it, wait for it, yeah 49ers sign, an undrafted free agent, AGAIN!!
Yeah, I agree that Lawson had value, and I wanted him to be re-signed too
But an OLB that can’t pass rush effectively in a 3-4, isn’t nearly as good as one that can – regardless of his other qualities
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edwards is coming in for a visit tonight
nfl.com reporting
and me
LOL
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently they’re pursuing Floyd harder today and he’s from the Bay Area. Could the Edwards scheduled visit be to put a bit of pressure on Floyd?
Both
LOL
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Floyd is from the Sacramento area--not the Bay Area.
FWIW, I doubt his NorCal roots will influence his decision.
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oh ker you said what has floyd done and u answered with nothing
717 yards and 6 touchdowns, thats more years then either of our recievers, hes not a great amazing reciever but hes better than what we have
by Matthew Cools on Aug 3, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he better than our starters? im not convinced but I do think we need another top 3. He had Rivers throwing to him
Floyd was on pace for a 1000 yard season
if he had not missed five games in 2010
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
How good are Nanee, Floyd, and Ariyotutu(sp?). Seems liek Rivers could make anyone productive. Crabtree and Morgan would have put up better numbers in SD last year than they did with the 49ers
Nanee is a darn good young receiver
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
But I will say that wide receiver is one of the positions where the 49ers are at their weakest. I would like to see a player or two signed so we’re not looking at the same old failures (I’m looking at you, Mr. Morgan and Mr. Ginn).
Failure...
Josh Morgan was a sixth round pick….
Last years stats:
G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
16 44 698 15.9 43.6 65 2 12 2 27 1
Crabs:
G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
16 55 741 13.5 46.3 60T 6 10 1 40 0
Arguably not very different….
Oh yeah and crabs was the 10th pick in the draft… and probably the first option on most passing plays…
Who is the biggest failure??
by thatguywiththebeardandthebanjo on Aug 3, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Something else, I am on a roll with thoughts
Edwards wouldn’t have left his visit with Arizona is he was completely sold in what they had to offer. This leaves SF prime to get him. Just need to offer the better contract, which may be the issue
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
it usually
is..years and $$$ is what it may come down to..also do you think hed want to be second fiddle to fitzgerald in Arizona.
True
but, you have to understand where we are in the off-season and that the league year starts tomorrow. If he was completely sold on Arizona, I think the deal would have been done by now
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 3, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Edwards > Floyd
Younger, more skilled, and a threat to score on every play
Floyd maybe taller, but NO ONE is out jumping Edwards for a ball.
49er fanhood up in the air with Kaepernick aboard and there not being an QB worth rooting for on the niner roster
What I wrote in parathesis was deleted..
with exception of the Johnson’s…
NO ONE is out jumping Edwards for a ball.
49er fanhood up in the air with Kaepernick aboard and there not being an QB worth rooting for on the niner roster
Only had four drops last year
49er fanhood up in the air with Kaepernick aboard and there not being an QB worth rooting for on the niner roster
It now seems very clear to me that Harbaugh
and Baalke are not looking for many long term deals at the beginning of Harbaughs coaching reign with the 9ers. I believe they dont want to be saddled with contracts and players that will slow down there progress in their quest to build a winner. These 1 year contracts are great for testing the water without putting the organization under water. Its foolish to hand out long term deals to players who havent proven to their coach that they are right for his system. Harbaugh is giving a lot of guys a chance to demonstrate that they should be rewarded with a long term deal as a core player on his 49er team. I think this gives Harbaugh the most flexiblilty so as not to have his tenure hamstrung by impulsive deals that dont pan out. If he gets Edwards for a year its a win win for us and Edwards. He gets a chance to rehab his image and the 49ers get to extend him if he is there kind of player.
get numbers with the Niners…. then get the bucks next year in the FA market… thats how I would see it if I was him
Right on the money
The veterans aren’t the future.. the young players Harbaugh develops are.
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2 year deal
Again get the guy on a 2 year deal, as much as he could be a pain in the neck, we also dont want to see him be a dominant downfield threat then lose him to a big money contender next year.
if for any other reason...
lets sign Floyd and/or Edwards to keep them from Arizona. without a prominent #2 WR they will struggle against us. Double Fitz and stop the run will be no problem. I also like Josh Morgan in the slot, he’s built for it. i wouldnt be mad if we signed both, i would want Edwards on a 2-3yr deal. He’s good, and proven.
Floyd big outside/red zone target, Crabtree and Morgan in the slot, Ginn outside burner (returner too), and williams/johnson in on the rotation
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