Joe Montana's and Steve Young's Thoughts on Current Quarterback Alex Smith
So, the debate goes on and will continue to throughout the season. I am sure of that. And Alex Smith's future is about as predictable as flipping a coin at this point. Which is it going to be? Heads? Or will Alex Smith finally come crashing down on his tail this season? Will he get as many chances and seasons to prove himself as the number displayed on his jersey? Or will he play well enough to get an extension to wear red and gold for the remainder of his career? These questions can only be answered by Alex himself.
For some fans, the answer to the question is a simple one, "release Alex Smith immediately"... for others, it appears that there is still a bit of shimmering hope for him to live up to the first-round selection he was chosen to be, and that all it will take is an offensive-minded coach that puts true value and emphasis on the quarterback position.
I wanted to bring in some individual thoughts of two players who have meant the world to this franchise. It seems as both are about as split on their perception of the current 49ers quarterback as they were on who should have been the starter back in the day when they played for the 49ers.
Joe Montana and Steve Young were prehaps two of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the position, and game. However, I believe that they have somewhat of a difference of opinion when it comes to the 49ers first-round selection of 2005.
The proverbial horse continues to be beaten, and yet, it still appears to be alive and kicking to save its own life.
Follow below to get some comments and quotes from the two legends... and a bit of commentary by yours truly.
I wanted to lead off with Joe Montana's quote first but I suppose I will save the best for last. A bit of kidding, but seriously...
Here are some of the words that Steve Young said about Alex Smith on KNBR in September of last year. Some fans felt at the time that the comments were taken out of context but it is hard to say with all the criticism that Young has had for Smith over the last few years.
Here is the quote:
"I think Alex is a competent quarterback. I think Alex understands the game, and I'm telling you there's a reaction -- similar to Matt Leinart. He can't get out of third gear. He throws the nice ball, he can drop back. But when things get fast -- fast, fast -- you can tell, he just can't quite keep up. You really can't win jobs when you can't keep up."
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/22563/around-the-nfc-west-alex-smiths-ceiling
Basically this says that Young believes that Smith is a competent quarterback but then follows-up with saying that the game is too fast for him. It's really tough to make out what exactly he is trying to say. But it sounds a lot like he feels there is a lot of work to be done. Or maybe it means that he feels Alex understands the game but does not have the instinct to play. Which is a lot of what we hear from the folks that do not believe that he can be successful at this level.
Young also had this to say back in Novemeber of 2009:
"If he is really only able to thrive in the spread, then that might not be the dilemma of the week, but it is the dilemma of the year and onto next year as to exactly how they are going to do that," Young said. "Now, I can't believe that if you can play competent quarterback in the spread that you can't transition to understand how to play quarterback in the I (formation). I did it and all of the above and it just doesn't seem like that is all that hard to do."
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/9836/steve-young-49ers-could-be-stuck
Here Young basically says I am better than you Alex Smith because you have not been able to thrive in a pro-style offense. Tooting your own horn is okay when you are one of the best to ever play. It really is. But he leaves out a lot of context here in regards to Smith's protection in years previous. However, he does not specifically say that Alex cannot do it. He even drops the "competent" word in there for the first time; second time in this post.
I am not sure how much stock to put in to this. Some folks have gone to the extreme in that Young does not and will not ever endorse Alex Smith. However, I don't really get that feeling. I get that he, like some other fans, is waiting for Smith to prove he belongs.
With that, I will leave you with these last quotes from Young:
"They are stuck with an All-Pro running back (Frank Gore) that needs a certain formation and then up-and-coming stars that need another formation," Young said. "And they have no way to meld the two because they really aren't compatible."
"There is no reason why we can't get Alex to get under center," Young said. "It is a matter of time, if we can withstand the growing pains of doing that. But there is no reason he cannot get somebody under center in the offseason and really work it out."
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/9836/steve-young-49ers-could-be-stuck
It sounds like the Hall of Fame quarterback has his doubts like the rest of us, but has not totally and completely written him off to date. This last quote was again from 2009.
Now on to the great Joe Montana's comments...
I am not sure as to just how each of Montana's or Young's evaluations are of quarterbacks that are playing nowadays, so each quarterbacks comments can and should be taken with a small grain of salt. They both played the position at a very high level but it doesn't always necessarily mean that they can evaluate talent very well. If it were totally true, Mike Singletary would not have fought so hard to draft Taylor Mays, right?
Anyway, in a recent SF Gate article (August 28th, 2011), Joe Montana has this to say about Alex Smith:
Q: With all the changes for the 49ers, do you think this is the kind of offense that quarterback Alex Smith can thrive in, based on what you've seen? Do you think he will be more comfortable with the Harbaugh offense?
A: One of the things I've seen with Alex is that when he's been put in bad position with down and distance, (there weren't) many guys he could throw to without throwing 30 yards. There were times I looked and it's 3rd-and-18 and now he's got four guys going 20 to 30 yards downfield, so what do you want him to do? He's either got to throw it into traffic or take a sack or throw it away, so none of them are very good options. This offense will give him an opportunity once he understands it. Guys who are used to holding onto the ball and throwing it deep sometimes have a tough time understanding and making that transition right away to, "Oh, it's OK for me to gain 4 yards on first down."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/28/SP7L1KSMLU.DTL
Again, not a ton of stock should be put in to this stuff. But it should at least hold some consideration.
Here Montana doesn't go too far out on a limb but he does somewhat endorse the former first overall selection from 2005. In my opinion, it seems as though Joe could see some potential there but realizes the importance of having some protection in front of you as a quarterback. And also the importance of having manageable 3rd downs, which in the past few years as we all know very well was most often 3rd and long.
While Montana doesn't really go all out saying Smith is the next Peyton Manning, it seems like he feels a quarterback can be successful in this offense and really does not have to do all too much other than get it in to the playmakers hands on quick, fast plays.
As evidence of this next quote:
And the tumultuous 49ers’ quarterback position with Colin Kaepernick and Alex Smith?
Montana: Once the quarterbacks figure out that system, and he learns that other guy’s role and that other guy’s role, big plays will happen. But you don’t have to make it happen every time. Just keep the ball moving. Keep the completions coming. I think you’ll see a difference as the year goes on.
And this one as well:
With the West Coast offense coming back to the Bay Area, any thoughts?
Montana: When Stanford was recruiting my youngest son, [Harbaugh and company] were telling me the plays and they were word for word [laughs] for what we used to call when I played for the 49ers. They probably have their own twist; I'm sure it's evolved. But the essence of the base is still there.
He doesn't come out and flat out say that Smith, or Kaepernick will be successful in the West-Coast offense but he does give reasons why they can be. He elaborates to say that Harbaugh has adopted a lot of Walsh's terminology and is running with it. It almost sounds as though he is saying the quarterback needs to take on the concept of playing similar to that of an NBA point guard. Just get it in to your guys hands and don't think too much in to it, things will eventually happen.
One of the most widely assumed things out there right now in regards to Smith is that he over-thinks the game. That he just does not use "the force" (so-to-speak). When he is out there just having fun and letting it fly on the rare occasion he does, he plays the game flawless.
Harbaugh's largest challenge is not working on Alex Smith's footwork, or his 3 and 5 step drops, or any kind of mechanics, his biggest challenge is getting Alex Smith to realize that the game can be simplified. That there are some things you want to recognize immediately and others that are not so important. And that this is a game of feeling and reacting accordingly.
And who knows, maybe Alex will never develop that "feeling" for the game. But then again, sometimes all it takes is a little attention from someone who cares. Harbaugh seems to have adopted a certain level of care and respect for the 2005 number one overall first-round selection.
Here was his bold statement in January of 2011:
"So excited, yeah, I’m going to say it, I’ve been studying Alex Smith and watching him and I believe that Alex Smith can be a winning quarterback in the National Football League," Harbaugh said. "I’m excited to work with him, get to know him."
And on his attributes:
"Very accurate passer," he said. "Very athletic. And a guy that has played and been durable."
Summary
We all need to accept that the future is impossible to predict. There have been times and moments in all of our lives that people have doubted us. As much as we all doubt Alex Smith right now, the same doubts were made by many for no-name college players out of Notre Dame like Joe Montana, or players that were considered to be "busts" like Steve Young who had a wile ol' ball coach like Bill Walsh put his faith forward, or like Jim Harbaugh who saw something there even though Smith has up to this point considered to be a "bust".
The truth of the matter is that Alex Smith may or may not pan out; that is the only thing we can say for sure. He may flop this year, but he may not. None of us know as a matter of "fact".
The point of this post was to bring in some points of views from guys who have had the experience at the position and played at a high level. While Steve Young remains a little more of a skeptic, a guy like Joe Montana is not counting anything out.
Jim Harbaugh made an endorsement of Alex Smith and my thoughts are that he is going to do everything in his power to get Alex Smith to where he needs to be. A coach's endorsement of a particular player is very important and can go a long way if he truly believes what he is saying about that player. If he is to turn Smith around, other players will take notice and will respect him as a man and a coach a bit more.
If it doesn't work out for Harbaugh, there is still a young, athletic, very gifted rookie waiting in the wings as a back up plan.
I know it's probably too much to ask for, for some because the hate of Alex Smith justifies people's reasoning to be negative about the franchise. But I'd just plea that some of you tone it down some until we see a bit in the regular season. Consider some of the new context. Give the guy a shot under a coach who really seems to care about the position. If you're at a game, don't boo the guy if his offensive line lets someone in for a clean hit when he is firing off a pass. See things for what they are and blame the right people. If Alex makes a boneheaded play, blame him of course, but if a lineman lets a blitzer in, or a running back whiffs on a block, just make sure you are pointing the finger in the right direction and not just chalking it up as "well, another bad game for Alex, I told ya so".
We are all Niner fans. This does not mean we need to always see things eye-to-eye. But we all cheer for the players that suit up in red and gold. And in cheering for the team, it's probably a good idea that we want whoever is on that field to succeed no matter who they are.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 30, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
typo?
Harbaugh said he was excited to work with Smith in Jan 09?
harbaugh is psychic
why do you think we were all so stoked when he was hired?
Anything above 7 wins would be a miracle
or at least critically helped by special teams and defensive touchdowns.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 2:11 PM PDT reply actions
Tough Schedule...
… for any team in the league. Playing the NFC East, plus Baltimore & Pittsburgh. Above 8-8 and serious upsets will need to be pulled. But it’s not implausible to go 6-0 in the division…
7 wins or more a miracle
Niners are gonna surprise all you doubters just wait and see.
Surprise??
I’m sorry but what team are you watching?? Have you seen any of the pre season games,and or our season last year? I mean come on… I love the Niners as much as anyone, but this team doesnt have it. Alex Smith needs to go, something needs to click with this offensive line. IF we manage to get 8 wins or over, it will be because of the defense. We need some big changes on offense, starting with the Qb position. Enough said. Those of you who think we can succeed with alex smith at qb need to wake up, you are delusional!!!!! Are you okay with losing Any other organization would have dropped this guy after 5 losing seasons! What is wrong with our front office… Sometimes I think it is being run by monkeys…. Get it together guys or risk losing die hard fans!
by CardinalOfficial on Aug 30, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
Ndamukong Suh is [site decorum] awesome! The Lions should be good this season, and will be really fun to watch. I’m hoping Stafford stays healthy, so that they have a good shot at the division title.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
Not really expecting anything different from alex smith than what he has shown the past 6 years. Montana also said a very important trait of a qb is pocket presence, he said that in the kraft hunger interview on csn bay area. That is a trait that smith is lacking.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 30, 2011 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You have to have a pocket first to have "pocket presence"
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by Drew Kerr on Aug 30, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
"This" of the century
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Montana and Young had and all pro O line with a couple of HOF to provide the pocket.
My knock on Smith is and always has been that defenses have shown that if they blitz and harass him he gets rattled hurries his throws and or is way off target. So I totally agree with you that" You have to have a pocket first to have “pocket presence”
by WC-Ninerhead on Aug 30, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Their combined o-linemen made 19 pro bowls
but I don’t believe any of them are HOF… Your point completely stands, just nit-picking… :)
Exactly.
A clean pocket for Alex appears about as often as Halley’s Comet visits.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
'Deer in the headlights'
from too many sacks has ruined many possible greats.
OMG there’s a defense out there! Ditch the ball! Ditch it! Ditch it!
by (site decorum) on Aug 30, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
there always is a pocket.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
stop ruining your jeans
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
not alone
Alex is only one man out of 53 and the 5 in front of him will determine how well he does.
by Mukkeluk on Aug 30, 2011 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Alex has been one of the constants for the past 6 lackluster seasons.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 30, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
True BUT
Nothing around Alex has been constant since he has come into the league. The offense has constantly changed, the coaching staff has constantly changed. Shuffling of offensive lineman.
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it was
his o line that i was referring to. We haven’t had more than 1 or 2 good offensive lineman any year since he’s been behind center.
My reply
was in response to Hungry Hunter saying that “Alex has been one of the constants for the past 6 lackluster seasons”
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He won't see it that way.
Some people would just rather ignore real context ‘cause it’s easier to assume that history always repeats itself.
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I posted my feelings on Alex bashing above
I think I’m done addressing it. Forever. LoL
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Above = below
Reply Fail.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I can understand the people that have general concern because I too have general concern. But I never take it to the limits some folks do.
Like Ronaldinho for instance, he is very articulate in explaining his thoughts, and has doubts, serious doubts about this team, but he never takes things to the extreme. He expresses concern, he explains it with well-thought out points, but he never resorts to “bashing”.
Some people who have been regulars here, just will not listen to reason because its so much easier to just say negative things.
There are always going to be negative people in this world. And we have the choice to ignore them, or kick the bee hive.
So, I would say you are making a solid choice with that.
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I need to tack on what you said to what I wrote below
That’s the more non-ranting die hard fan way of saying it. LoL
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I think you have it backwards
the regulars here overwhelmingly prefer to hope for the best and not acknowledge the negatives around Smith. This week it is all about blaming the offensive line. Next week it will because we aren’t risking our starters. The week before you of all people wouldn’t acknowledge the interception was a bad play by Smith, one we’ve seen dozens of time before.
When it comes down to it, the reason people prefer to look on the bright side is because no one on a msg board can do anything about it. That’s a fair point, but that doesn’t change our reality at QB. Smith tops out at average even with good blocking and receivers without butterfingers.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That's speculation...
Smith has not once had both good blocking and receivers without butterfingers…
Consistency is the problem that has plagued not just Smith, but all of the offensive players the past half-decade…
You are probably right, but you are yet to have complete proof…
That’s a fair point, but that doesn’t change our reality at QB. Smith tops out at average even with good blocking and receivers without butterfingers.
How do you know for sure if he’s never in his career had those things?
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He has had those things many times
and still throws interceptions or puts the ball in a spot impossible for a receiver to make a play. No QB is going to get a perfect season out of their offensive line and wr corps. If you are holding out for that, you’ve got at least another seven seasons of waiting.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 31, 2011 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Interspersed throughout his career
It is actually quite possible last week was the worst showing of the offensive line in Alex’s entire seven year career of mediocrity.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 31, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Not at all
many games in the past where Alex Smith has had good protection. Though if he gets hit once he quickly goes down hill.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 31, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
line
It was only a limited appearance, but the line was atrocious while Smith was out there. Multiple hits, multiple deflections.
by David Fucillo on Aug 31, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
huh?
I jumped in late on this conversation. You said it’s possible last week was the worst showing of the OL in his career. Drew said Simply false, untrue. Did I miss something?
by David Fucillo on Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
oh, i thought drew was claiming falseness about something else
I agree, the oline was atrocious last week.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 31, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You are wrong.
And your judgement is clouded.
Exactly
People always want to address the symptom rather than blaming the sickness of the behavior that caused the sickness. Instead of understanding that Alex is a talented QB that was grossly mishandled by the franchise in terms of his development, they want to blame Alex.
Alex wasn’t afforded the luxury of having continuity that is needed at the QB position. QBs like Manning, Montana, Favre, etc played in the same exact offense ever single year of their career. Alex has had a new offense every single year of his career. It is hard enough to develop as a QB in this league without the added weight of learning a totally new playbook every year and being in sync with the offensive coordinators thinking process – being an extension of him on the field
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Alex has been one of the constants for the past 6 lackluster seasons.
there is nothing not “real” about that statement.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
just a fact
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
You Alex Haters really need to learn the difference between fact and opinion.
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fact vs. opinion
Is this coming down to a definition of what’s a constant?
by David Fucillo on Aug 31, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this vote is a bit misleading
I’d say that Alex won’t lead the team to any wins or losses. I’d say the team as a whole will take time to mesh and will probably not win very many games. It’ll be hard to really point the finger at one player this season, or at least early in the season.
Same here.
I abstained from voting as I remain unconvinced that any one player can be declared to have led a team to victory.
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Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
They will get better each week
the lack of training camp hurts us bad (the O-line and special teams will vouch for that). A lot of talent on this team I am going with 8 games, hopefully i am wrong as usual but this time for the better.
by spirit_of_the_niners on Aug 30, 2011 2:17 PM PDT reply actions
8 WIN'S? LoL REALLY??
ALEX SHOULD GIVE THE 49ERS BACK THE 5 MILLION THEY GAVE HIM FOR 2011 AND JUST LEAVE, THE GUY HAD 2 OR 3 WINS LAST YEAR AFTER A 0-5 START, I AM BETTING Harbaugh MIGHT HAVE 2ND THOUGHTS ABOUT NOW. PLEASE NO LUCK NEXT YEAR, JUST GET JOSH JOHNSON IN 2012
I AM BETTING Harbaugh MIGHT HAVE 2ND THOUGHTS
I am betting you copy-pasted “Harbaugh” to make sure you spelled it right
by reedkrase on Aug 30, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know where you got it from now.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 30, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you really think I'm going to click that so you can Rick Roll me ...!!
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its not rick roll
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not at all
just googled rick roll. lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 30, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Dang , i would have rather been Rick Rolled ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
sorry, maybe next time. Now I know what it is. lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
So the contorversy continues .... Joe Or Steve ...!!
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OR in Superbowl wins as a starting QB.. Joe Montana!
Personally, I love both of them.. they were so different and both were exciting to watch
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Great Article
A lot of good points…..I can’t wait to see how this season unfolds….
Missing question- Do you really think Alex Smith has what it takes?
Missing answer- (your thoughts here)
Play to Win!
Does Alex Smith have what it takes - yes
Will he do what it takes? – maybe
ARRGH...
As a QB, Joe.
As an evaluator of Alex Smith, Steve.
Alex is mentally slow on the field. He doesn’t read his progressions well and he can’t feel the rush coming (and get his ass out of there).
Today, IMO, the 49ers do not have an NFL-caliber QB on the roster.
NFL caliber? Yes
NFL starter? Not sure
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone is an NFL caliber QB if their job is to ride the pine for 16 games a year.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
NFL Caliber
is someone who has the talent/character to play in the NFL
NFL caliber is someone who would start on any one of the other 31 teams
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I could see Smith starting for a number of teams with less than stellar QBs
Washington, Miami, Oakland, Seattle, Tennessee, Cincinnati, Cleavland, etc. Just because he’s not in the upper echelon of starting QBs doesn’t mean that he’s not NFL caliber IMO.
Many times, a QB can either fail or succeed in the NFL based simply on the environment they are in (i.e. team they play for, system, supporting cast, weather, etc.) Rich Gannon comes to mind….he did nothing in the NFL until he was surrounded by the right cast of players & coaches that fit his skillset. Steve Young is another example….if he stayed at Tampa…he wouldn’t be a HOFer today. Sometimes success in the NFL is relevant to the situation the player is in, NOT the talent that they possess.
Campbell is measurably better than A Smith IMO
He can hold onto the ball for too long, but he makes better reads and looks much more decisive in the pocket this preseason; his 2nd year in the system.
I've always liked Campbell
Which is surprising beacuse I’m not all that objective with anything Washington.
He’s been in bad situations himself and had some untimely injuries as well. I felt the Raiders were on the up last year, this year, I still don’t know…
I wonder
how a lot of these guys would play if other teams had drafted them. Going to a dysfunctional team can seriously hinder a player’s development. If Campbell went to Green Bay instead of Rodgers….would he be a pro bowler? If Carson Palmer was drafted by another team would he have won a Superbowl (he was awesome before he got injured)?
IMO, sometimes just being in the right situation can make or break your career in the NFL.
They are similar....
but I bet if Alex was in Oakland, there would be a competition between the two. There would be no clear cut starter. My point earlier was that Alex is capable of being a starter for other teams in the league….at least compete for the position
Let's honestly look at that list
- Washington – Smith would not be starting over Grossman, who has actually been good in preseason. So has Beck.
- Miami – maybe Smith would start of Henne. It wouldn’t be handed to him like it was here, that’s for sure. Henne has superior career stats.
- Seattle – Again, maybe but only because Scott McClellan would force him to start
- Tennessee – Hasselbeck is the starter over Smith and many wish we had a proven vet like hasselbeck here today.
- Cincinnati – again maybe to buy Dalton some time but I think they prefer Dalton getting experience
- Cleveland – 49ers fans may not be aware but the Browns believe in Colt McCoy as their QBOTF right now. \
So Alex Smith might start for three other teams, one because of the man who drafted him, the next because he might be able to wrestle the starting job but given Smith has never won a QB competition, I wouldn’t be on it. The last because the other team is in the same situation as us, trying to buy time to prepare their QBOTF.
In none of those situations do I see Alex Smith being a 16 game uncontested starter, including here.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's look a little deeper...
Washington – This is Rex Grossman’s third year in this offense and his 3rd year with the younger Shannahan as his offensive coordinator
Seattle – This is Tavaris Jackson. This will be Jackson’s 6th year in this offense and his 6th year with Darrell Bevell as his offensive coordinator.
Tennessee – Hassellbeck was able to sit behind Brett Favre for 2 years to develop as a QB. When he went to Seattle the same head coach and offensive coordinator that he had in Green Bay also went to Seattle with him.
Notice that the theme for the above mentioned teams and QB is consistency of coaches, patience in development by sitting behind some seasoned vet, and the same offense. Alex hasn’t had the luxury of any of these things in his career. A new offense and coaching staff every year and having to start right away.
Cleveland – While this is basically a new staff in Cleveland this is the same offense that McCoy ran during his rookie season.
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I don't disagree a QB needs consistency
but that doesn’t mean we have the luxury to sit Smith behind a vet. He has to sink or swim like he always has. Unfortunately, he keeps getting stuck in the drain by the end of the year and we keep throwing him a life line.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
But his failure to develop has more to do with the franchise’s inability to provide him stability than his lack of talent. If you invest that kind of money in the top overall pick at the QB position, you need to ensure that he has consistency. He started to hit his stride under Norv Turner, a great offensive mind that know how to develop quarterbacks. The franchise needed to make sure that they if they were going to allow Turner to leave, they brought in someone that could run his offense.
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Well I am all for fixing mistakes from 2006/2007 before the space-time continuum has other thoughts
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
While you're at it, why don't you go back to 2000...
…and convince Bill Walsh to lobby hard for drafting Tom Brady while you’re at it?
Then Brady wouldn't be the same...
he would probably be in position to fail if he came to dysfunctional SF….A few seasons later the Yorks dumped Marriucci. Brady went to the right system and had continuity.
Grossman is pretty bad….Smith would beat him out….easily (Grossman is having a hard time beating out John Beck)
In Miami, he would start for sure…Sparano needs to win now to keep his job, and Smith can manage an offense better than Henne IMO. They brought in Matt Moore to compete with Henne…that tells you what they think of Henne right there
Jackson is even worse than Grossman! It doesn’t matter who is in the FO in Seattle…Smith would start. Jackson should be in the CFL or UFL
Smith has been better than Hasslebeck the past few seasons, & I think most teams would prefer to start Smith because Hasslebeck is on the decline in a major way (durability issues, lack of mobility, bad decisions) Believe it or not, but Alex has more upside at this point in his career than Hasslebeck does
Cincinnati no doubt would start smith over dalton (& develop dalton like we are doing with Kaep right now)
Cleavland I could see going either way (the FO didn’t have a lot of faith in McCoy last season….but it appears as if they are buying into him now) If it was last season, I’d say Smith hands down….but this year probably not
Like I mentioned earlier, Just because he’s not in the upper echelon of starting QBs doesn’t mean that he’s not NFL caliber. Smith is in the 20-25 range this season amongst starters IMO. He can get better, but he’s definitely not the worst starter in the league. Under Harbaugh, I could see him progress to the 13-19 range….time will tell.
Start for how long, though? One game? All 16?
It’s easy to start one. Remaining the starter on a day-to-day basis…far tougher. I doubt there are 32 QBs who could last an entire season.
For what it’s worth, Matt Williamson (Scouts Inc) recently Tweeted that Tarvaris Jackson was the worst starting QB in the NFL. Yes, even worse than Alex.
You don't need character
Exhibit A: Benjamin Roethlisberger. Slimeball, but a good quarterback.
Exhibit B: Michael Vick. Yeah, he served his time, but if he didn’t have extraordinary athletic gifts, public consensus would be that he was at best a lousy human being.
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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 30, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
There are anomalies in the NFL....
most players with questionable character are booted out of the league before they can do anything….or they end up in jail and don’t play anyway. If i’m building a franchise….I’d stay clear of “those guys”
Agreed
But while I agree with you that they may be anomalies, the fact that they are both GOOD quarterbacks proves that teams will make exceptions for lousy human beings, provided they are loaded with talent.
Let us not forget, Ray Lewis probably did stab a couple people to death back in ’98. Hall of Famer. Michael Irvin, in a much smaller case, stabbed his own teammate with scissors, and kept getting busted for coke. Also an elite player.
So the rule is, be a jackass if you must, but you only get to still play if you are a supremely talented one.
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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 30, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, but if he wasn't an extraordinary athlete
He would still be running dog-fighting and never would have spent a day behind bars… So there is that…
For that reason we are stuck with Alex, for now.
Kaepernick looks NFL caliber, in a year or two. He’s big, has a cannon, is elusive in the pocket, and seems to have good instincts. If he can learn the fine details to perfection he may be great.
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I really hate how if you are realist
then the homers just expect you to go root for another team.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I said this on another thread, and I'll say it again.
Us “homers” don’t care that you bash Alex. We get it. We got it long ago.
It’s the fact that a small group of people do nothing but bash Alex, all the time, on every thread. THAT is what gets annoying. I hope the Niners have as many fans as possible, but the people who can’t ever find anything to do except whine, yes, please just pick another team.
Alex is our QB. Yes, he played on absolute crap teams, with absolute crap staffs and coaches. He did bad in those situations. We get it. I know that a new staff, and an upgraded team from when he got here, is not going to make him a winner. He may never be a winner. I know that. But to simply pass off what the future holds for this team based solely on the past play of our QB in god awful situations doesn’t make you a realist. I have, and have had, my own doubts about Alex. Plenty of them. But I also have a sense of hope and want for my team, and will back them no matter what. It’s SUPER early in his tenure, but is Harbaugh truly thinks he can win with Alex, I hate to break it to you, but he knows more about football than probably everyone on this blog combined. So, I will back the team and try to find something to talk about and hope for other than the downfall of out quarterback.
I, for one, (and I don’t care if another single person doesn’t agree with me) will back the San Francisco 49ers, and whoever is playing for them. Call me stupid, but I will back this team no matter what. I’ll back Alex. I’ll back Harbaugh. I’ll back them all. I put faith and trust in them, not because I’m a “realist”, but because I am a GD Niners fan.
If you hate Alex, fine, but for the love of Jesus Christ on a cracker, can you please find something else to contribute besides consistently bashing our QB. We all know he’s not great. But he’s our QB. Until a change is made, back the team, or be quiet about it.
GO NINERS.
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by Blank x2 on Aug 30, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
No
I will not back stupidity. I will not back incompetence. I can love the team without backing the current situation.
Sometimes backing a team isn’t swallowing whatever crap they’re feeding the public or putting on the field. I swear some of you don’t know what good football looks like. Sometimes backing a team is saying “y’all suck and you need to get your sh*t into a single bucket.”
Go watch last year’s Super Bowl, watch the Packers. That is good football and half their best players were on IR. They did it with “Who the f*ck is that” and “Where did that guy come from?”
I believe Harbaugh will turn it around. I truly do. But it will never happen until they have an NFL caliber quarterback on the roster, one who doesn’t go into deer in the headlights mode as soon as the ball is snapped no matter the protection. It’ll never happen with a QB that doesn’t know whether to sh*t or go blind.
There isn’t much to root for with the existing 49ers. Rooting for them now amounts to rewarding bad behavior. Not me. When they show they can put at least an INTERESTING product on the field, I’ll be less critical. Until then, I will speak my truth, no matter how much the homers dislike it.
by 5e3deluxe on Aug 30, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sometimes backing a team isn’t swallowing whatever crap they’re feeding the public or putting on the field.
Wait a minute… define the term “backing” and then try that entire comment over.
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actually
His first line covers that:
I can love the team without backing the current situation.
Backing the team does not always mean backing everything about it. Look at LA Clippers fans (the few that there are). They have an owner who might be one of the worst human beings in America. They can back the team but criticize the owner all they want.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess.
I suppose I can see a point there.
He’s allowed. But I would just much rather see some details to the comments.
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details
He provides a lot of details. Just details you (and plenty others) happen to disagree with.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We have a new staff. Harbaugh is here for five
I’m no more happy than you about where our team is, but if you don’t at least see an attempt at them trying to improve from the FO down, then by all means, please stop rooting.
I can see they are trying to get there. Some of us just forgot what “patience” is. And please, try to show me how the last five years and those coaches and tenures are at all relevant to the current situation. I’ll wait.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
If you do not back stupidy, you should cancel your account.
It is only logical.
You have to consider the source
Kind of simple really – some refuse to see the truth even if its punching them in the face with brass knuckles.
Some don’t have much in the way of standards and are willing to accept mediocre because mediocre is the best we’ve had since the firing of Mariucci.
I don’t care what the homers think or say. I will continue to speak my truth until Fooch decides to ban me, which I suspect could come pretty shortly.
speak my truth
Rock out…. knock yourself out…. with brass knuckles.
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banning
I know you think you’re playing the rebel, but in spite of what some might think, we don’t ban based on opinions. You can speak your truth until you’re blue in the face.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rebel without a clue.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I thin he is allowed to say what he wants how he wants…
I just think that if he wanted to be taken more seriously he could try to take a less abrasive approach…
It’s taken me 2 years to learn that and is still a work-in-progress.
There’s just more validity to it when it’s thought out beyond “Alex Smith Sucks and he ALWAYS will because he has in the past and that is my truth”.
It’s like okay, we haven’t heard that before. Try and present details (even if they are wrong) as to why you believe it so firmly and with conviction.
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no...
They do happen on the site and I try to work with people to be more productive in their comments. Not always successful but that’s what I try.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Quoting Tom Petty.
Apparently nobody else thought it was funny. Didn’t mean it as a direct insult, it just made me laugh.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
come on
This is an attack that is not necessary. Just move on.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Quoting a song.
Apparently I was the only one who thought it was funny.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
realist.....?
Johnson is a free agent after this season. I believe Josh Johnson will be a 49er. If they don’t get him, I’m going to be a Detroit Lions fan. At least the Lions are making progress. The 49ers just wallow in suck. You guys must like it.
by 5e3deluxe on Aug 28, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
all his comments will now be downgraded considerably……
That's kind of a fair weather statement if I ever heard one.
To say that you dislike your team is one thing but to go to the extreme to change your fanhood kinda tells me what I need to know about the comments coming from that person.
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No matter what they try to say....
they aren’t TRUE fans. 53d can come and throw all of the logic he wants at this comment, but it’s true. If you honestly can say that about your team, it isn’t YOUR team.
I’ve cheered harder for the Niners through rougher times than this. I think a lot of us have.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Oh PLEASE...
Most of you barely remember Super Bowl XXIX. If you didn’t experience the ‘70s, you don’t know what the rough times were.
not important
It’s only going to take this off topic into a pointless argument.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not pointless, Fooch
That guy basically said I’m not a true fan because I wasn’t alive in the 70s. There HAS to be a point to that.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
No, you are the one going after him as not a true fan
I find it really disturbing you call yourself a fan because you can swallow backing a seven year loser. Being a glutton for punishment isn’t a skill to be proud of.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Not if the 70's are being compared to today's 49ers.
I think it could be relevant depending on the direction.
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Do you see parallels between today's 49ers and the Niners of the 70's?
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Colors, Name, and Location
And a coach from Stanford
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Yes, I do
Both teams blew chunks with incompetent coaching, quarterbacking and front office.
Walsh and Eddie did the number but even Eddie screwed up with his first GM, just like Jed. Can you NAME that GM without using Google?
Let’s hope someone like John McVay can replace Trent and the sooner the better.
Joe Thomas
My dad couldn’t even use his name without shaking his head.
rough times
Have you not been paying attention to a sizable chunk of the last ten years?
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Some of us weren't alive in the 70s
If that doesn’t make me a fan somehow, you have seriously flawed logic.
Stop living in the past. I cheer for the Niners I’m going to watch in a few weeks. Not so much the ones who won their first Super Bowl two years before I was born.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Can you please ease up on the "I'm older than you"
sanctimonius nonsense? Just because you happened to be alive during the good era makes you that much better than those who haven’t?
It’s really a form of ad hominem attack, I feel. I’m not going to argue your point, but just attack you for being younger than me.
flip flops anyone?
"You have to reinvent yourself each year, ... What helped us was that there was some turnover each year." Bill Walsh...
wrong reply..sry intended towards 5's comment about becoming a detroit fan
"You have to reinvent yourself each year, ... What helped us was that there was some turnover each year." Bill Walsh...
Unbelieveable....
I HATE front runners…..oh I only like my team when they are winning. Fans like that make me sick. I hate seeing bumper stickers of the team that just won the superbowl…oh look the Packers just won, guess what there’s Packers stickers all over town….last year it was Saints….the year before Colts. I don’t know how people can do that…..I just don’t get it.
IMO
That’s the good thing about this site. People can roll out opinions left, right and central.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
IMO the sky is orange
It’s been orange for six years. It simply doesn’t have the potential to be green.
Or something along those lines.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
But now we have the purple factor… even though history tells us it was orange and then green
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Some people are colorblind.
I knew that was a terrible joke, but i did it anyway.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I actually am color blind.. When a traffic light turns green it looks white to me!
When I was a kid in the backseat of folks car it would turn green and I would yell it’s white!!…LOL
I am what they call red-green color blind….I see colors just differently than others do!!
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LoL My mistake
I knew I should have put that disclaimer.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
THE SKY IS RED AND GOLD!
and the sky’s the limit!
by mcwagner on Aug 30, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Time will tell...
…if my opinion is fact. But I’ll bet $100 to your favorite charity that the 49ers bear more resemblance to what I think of than of what you think of them.
Just to make it fair, if the 49ers make the playoffs, you win. Your charity gets my money. If they don’t, you give $100 to the Agee Memorial Wildlife fund. An animal charity.
This is called putting your money where your mouth is. You game?
Don't have the stones?
Or just short on cash?
Actually, I challenged YOU to a bet
But I’ll bet $100 to your favorite charity that the 49ers bear more resemblance to what I think of than of what you think of them.
Just to make it fair, if the 49ers make the playoffs, you win. Your charity gets my money. If they don’t, you give $100 to the Agee Memorial Wildlife fund. An animal charity.
This is called putting your money where your mouth is. You game?
Well that wasn't a response to me first off... you responded to ratumike
And second I don’t really bet, not even for charity.
Also, it’s a team sport, so I am confused as to what the bet is anyway.
Does the team suck, or just Alex? Both?
I dont know what you are trying to get at.
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The bet is simple...
If the 49ers make the playoffs, I donate $100 to your favorite charity. IF the 49ers don’t make the playoffs, you donate $100 to MY favorite charity, which I’ve listed.
Again, it’s called putting your money where your mouth is. You game?
And second I don’t really bet, not even for charity
Sort of a moral thing.
But I am sure you can reel someone in on this board. I am not sure how Fooch feels about betting on this board to be honest.
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wagers
I’ll make wagers on the team. However, as Blank x2 said, it’s possible this team is better off than what 5e3deluxe says but don’t make the playoffs. I don’t know how to best determine how correct that is since it’s a bit of a subjective bet. I know that reads like a cop-out but it is subjective.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't take this bet
Niners will overachieve with a 7-9 record. I’m interested in next year. This is like an audition for who can play and progress while the coaching staff can build their system and find who will fit best where.
Good charity though. Never heard of them before today. Learn something new everyday.
I don't know about you....
but if they go 7-9 or 8-8 and don’t make the playoffs, but look like a competent football team, i.e. last year’s team, that wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. This is not a “win it now or bust” scenarios, which is what some people seem to treat it like.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I bet , If Alex sucks or not , if the team wins or not , that it has no baring on how my sunday goes , i bet you can't say the same ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
the stones
The balls to do it. Common phrase.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If you didn’t experience the ‘70s, you don’t know what the rough times were.
Per Sports Encyclopia, our worst record in the 70s was 2-14 in 78 when the head coach was fired and replacedby an interim coach, and in 79 in Bill Walsh’s first year. Total record in 70’s: 60-83-1; a winning percentage of 0.4166666. Our worst record in the last decade was 68-92-0; a winning percentage of 0.425.
I’ll bet $100 to your favorite charity that the 49ers bear more resemblance to what I think of than of what you think of them.
Let’s see: Same decade winning percentage within one/one-hundredth. Rookie Head Coaches after these decades: Walsh/Harbaugh, both Stanford coaches with no previous NFL head coaching experience. Offensive philosophy: West coast offense.
I’d say the team’s results for the decades in question were practically identical. No slight to Harbaugh, but I’d expect a lot more suffering is yet ahead for this team than the niners experienced with Walsh.
You owe somebody’s charity $100.
by OffensiveInterference on Aug 30, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
My thoughts
While it’s interesting to read the thoughts of Young and Montana on the matter how honest can they really be on the this? I mean, if either one comes out and lays a Boomer Esiasan on Tebow-esque rant on how Smith is awful, suddenly that becomes a big story and their stuck answering questions for weeks.
I think in particular with Young, he does that show with Ralph and Tom every week during the season and almost every week he’s asked about Alex. If anything I think he’s treated Alex very gently. He doesn’t want to bury him, but at a certain point it must get tirring making excuses for him.
As far as Harbaugh, I don’t believe anything he says. We don’t know that he really thinks about Smith. He may have looked at the impending lockout and thought “saying this guy is terrible does me no good right now” and he’d have been right.
I’m not a Smith hater at all. I hope he does well and proves a lot of people wrong but at the same time I’m done with the excuses. If I don’t see clear improvement by week 3-4, I’m pretty much done with hoping he can be anything but a servicable back-up.
Well the improvement better start from the O Line or you kiss the season off now ...!!
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Well I got Madden
And I am sure CK7 will make the Super within a couple of years lol
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Im just mad i lost mays, i used to jst use him as my weakside lb on blitz or send a safety blitz with him always
2011 mock draft
1st- Patrick Peterson CB, 2nd- Jake Locker QB, 3rd-Allen Bailey DE, 4th- Dontay Moch OLB, 4th- Jacquizz Rodgers RB, 5th- Owen Marecic FB, 6th- Greg McElroy QB, 6th- Jake Kirkpatrick OC, 7th- Derrick Lock RB, 7th- Greg Salas WR
by Sippin'onGinn&Juice on Aug 30, 2011 6:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thoughts to remember
First: Although the 4th preseason game is Thursday. In reality it’s early training camp because of the lockout. And even less for Alex. Plus new staff. It will take until at least 2nd regular season game (maybe 3rd or 4th) to get to the point they would have been after a regular training camp.
Second: The schedule maker sure shafted the 49ers. 5 of their road games are in the eastern time zone; always added difficulty. And 3 of their last 4 games are on the road against division opponents.
About Alex, this time really really simple....
If the 9ers O-Line can get there act together and finally prove to block….then Coach Harbough and all 9er fans will clearly tell if Alex finally can be a legit Q.B. in this west coast offense.
I think Harbaugh honesty to date has not been able to get a good read on Alex or Colin Q.B. play during these past 3 pre-season games simply due to the very, very poor blocking.
Harbough has to be extremely frustrated right now and….frankly the poor O-line blocking has to be shaking whatever confidence that Alex and Colin had prior to the pre-season games.
Supposedly Gore got a contract extension
Congrats to Frank Gore on signing his extension with the Niners today.
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by manraj7 on Aug 30, 2011 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yay Frank , they extened the Man ...!!
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waiting for confirmation
Until one of the beat writers or one of the national guys report it, gonna wait and see on that.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Barrows RT it
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
If the agency that reperesents Byron Leftwich says it
it must be true
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea...
but twitter also is as much for informing people of random information out there. Doesn’t mean he’s confirming it.
by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Why does the Dora the Explorer, "We Did it" keep playing in my head,,,,
Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen
Poll stated "can" not "will" so 19-0 this season
As steve young points out, and as most everyone still acknowledges, Alex has all the potential in the world. Now whether he actually taps into that potential and gets himself out of 3rd gear is a different story.
Maybe he doesn't have "all the potential in the world"
Maybe he’s just a good enough quarterback to last 6 years on a team that has had no better options.
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by Pat Willie on Aug 30, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
EXACTAMUNDO!!!
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
I think the team's too good on the defensive side of the ball to allow Alex Smith's erratic play to soley determine the outcome of the game
Reggie Smith right now is the missing gear that needs to be plugged in as soon as he returns from injury, because Goldson is a liability in the secondary. Also as bad as Spencer played last year, we need to see him back in uniform too. Pretty much, we need our best secondary players, because after our starters, we really lack quality depth at those positions. Our front seven could be in an elite class depending on how well Soap plays at NT. My guess is that we’ll win the division going 9-7 in defensive fashion.
Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen
That's what Nolan and Singletary thought too
how did that work out?
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Defense was good last year?
Interesting opinion.
2009, maybe.. and even then it was iffy (at least the secondary)
Defense last year lost us some critical games, Saints, Eagles and Falcons come to mind first. I am sure there’s a couple others in there somewhere
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Run defense was very good
Too bad nobody tried very hard since we were one of the worst in the league at stopping the pass.
Reggie Smith will lead us to the playoffs and beyond
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by EcERyda69 on Aug 30, 2011 2:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe thats WHY Vernon was missing from practice....
he went with Frank to make Sure the 9ers front office signed Gore.
Chargers
It will be very interesting to see how the niners do Thursday. They have failed terribly against 2 of the leagues most potent offenses and now they face the Chargers another high powered offense. I don’t expect perfection; but marked improvement would be nice.
Also these 3 games may be a blessing in disguise. They won’t find any teams in their regular season that are more potent. Hopefully this will make them ready to compete.
Huge Failure against good offenses
Been the story the last 3 years. Its like the 49ers offense craps their pants when facing another good offense cause it always their worst games.
wait, so if Norris makes it past Saturday's cut,
i get to blame him for an atrocious season??
by Doni S on Aug 30, 2011 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
in that case...
Alex has my backing. And for the record, I don’t approve of Snyder playing any position along the o-line, not even as a back-up
Behind that line?
Hannibal would not lead anybody to victory. US Army would stall. Red Army will crumble.
Disagree on Hannibal
He’d find a way to get it done. The dude made the Roman Empire, and a succession of its best Generals look STUPID for more than a decade.
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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 30, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I Hear This Same Mantra Every Year
Yes, the O-Line is odiferous. But so is Smith. Smith could have success right now if he were capable of fleeing the pocket, or stepping into it. But no, he will just stand there and the rest is history. How many seasons are you gonna hope on this guy?
by scrappydog on Aug 30, 2011 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHAHA
You said Alex Smith is capable of leading this team to victory.
He can lead the team all right. Right into the sewer where it has been the last 8 years.
Ok, ok the Niners problems are not all his fault and he is not the cause of all the world’s evil (as some here believe) but EVERYONE has got to admit that he is indeed a big part of the problem. Not the entire problem but a major contributor.
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
It's interesting that both Joe and Steve
Say that Alex “could” or “should” or “may” and never say he will. This is what we’re left with after 6 years, hoping beyond hope that he will change and become a good QB. I think it is very telling that neither of them started off by listing his great attributes that show that he will succeed.
Oh, and the fact that Joe called him an accurate passer at the end of the article immediately discounted anything he said previously.
Seriously...our projected starters have to
play in the Chargers game minimum the whole first half.
The 9ers simply have to discover of anyone can block and if so, then we discover if Alex can show something running Harbough offense.
Not to mention the starters on offense and defense need some “confidence” going into the regular season.
Second half let Colin play Q.B. and hopefully the reserves do a good job to.
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-Movement in the pocket
-Throwing under pressure
-Subtle move in the pocket to get away from pressure
-How accurate
-Can throw the ball at different speeds
Do you think that Alex Smith has these traits?
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Yes
Just not consistently.
If he gets protection, he can get better in all departments
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after six years of playing, he is suddenly going to be able to handle pressure?
be able to move slightly in the pocket to avoid pressure?
be accurate under pressure?
in two of the three preseason games, he did not. Always year eight.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 30, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Well hopefully the line will give him some protection.
When in the past six years has he EVER had time to throw the ball in a non-shotgun formation?
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Weak reply
You put the blame back on the pressure, which is exactly the ting he is supposed to overcome by now.
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Umm, I think if it is happening as frequently as it does, it’s kinda hard to overcome anything. If there is constant pressure, it’s impossible to get in to a rhythm. If it was the occasional pressure here and there, then he probably would feel more comfortable and trusting with his line that he could slide this way or that way to get the ball away.
Have you ever played QB? Trust is a HUGE factor in knowing your limits in what you can or cannot do.
It is the reason that the Brady’s, Manning’s, and whoever else have had the success they have. They have great pass protection and trust the guys up front.
Tom Brady was a prime example of that when the Lions destroyed their Oline this past weekend. He had no trust, he had no pocket presence, and most importantly the trust he had previously to that specific game was totally gone. His play was poor as a direct result.
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Alex does seem to know his limits
That would explain why he throws the ball away so often. Alex misses a lot of opportunities at inopportune times. I saw a couple plays with open recievers he could have got the ball to, he overlooked. I’ve seen him throw the ball at people’s feet a few times per game.
I think all his passes should be on target. I also think he should be able to see situations where his guy is going to be open in advance.
Of course the quarterback position is hard, that’s why it’s hard to find a good quarterback. I’m just not sure Alex is ever going to be that. He might not have it in him.
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He might not, but then again he might.
He may have all along and just not had the right person to bring out the best in him.
We’ll for sure see this year. No doubt. He’s never had a better situation to thrive in than the one he has right now.
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I see a small but positive difference in Alex this year
But it’s small, which is the part that worries me. Then what I saw in the practice with Houston from him was back to the same. I didn’t see any quick thinking or action out of him at all.
I know everyone thinks it’s impossible for him to throw when the protection collapses, but it didn’t collapse right away every time for him.
Those are the plays he has to execute perfectly and consistently. Especially when he has so few plays that aren’t blown up by the front four.
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He is typically successful when he has time.
Which is less often than not
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Exactly
With time… He can cut a team up like he did Seattle @ Candlestick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's a great point.
Trust is huge, but I’m of the belief that your other factor is even more huger. Knowing your limitations is crucial. Not only as a quarterback, but the coaching staff as well. Take the Bears for example. They know their O-Line is weak and leaky, yet Martz continues to call 7 step drops and send the whole team deep.
I think Alex can make it. I believe that he’s going to be put in a position to succeed and will show improvement because of it.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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In my defense: I merely was trying to find ways to trash the Bears. I was so focused on that, I accidentally let out something halfway rational about Alex. I apologize.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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rational thought is to change what does not work, not to keep repeating something over again hoping for a different result. Everything has changed except Alex Smith and the losing continues.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay well by that logic
we should have stripped down the enitre roster and started from scratch because there has not been ANYTHING that has worked since about 2002. And ANYONE who has played on ANY of those teams has no business being on THIS team.
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hyperbole, perfect example
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I think if he starts the entire season
We will see major strides, but he will not play to some folks’ standards still. He will probably be re-signed if he plays well enough and do even better in his second, third, etc seasons. It’s just a matter of time before the results start showing up like Joe Montana mentions the ESPN video link I provided near the top of the comments section.
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And that will be ideal for Kaep's development
Because I think he will truly be special.
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I am a firm believer
in development of rookies by letting them sit for a couple seasons. I would be shot if I posted this on PoD, but I think Stafford getting injured and kept out of so many games his first two seasons has helped his development much more than sinking or swimming on the field. Don’t tell on me for saying that.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Why do you think he will be special?
Not arguing, just asking.
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't fully.
I think he can be…. because the system, the offense is set up to where even an average quarterback can look like a stud. He has an array of talent around him (Crabtree, Edwards, Davis, Walker, Ginn, Williams, Gore, Hunter, etc). We will see a lot more 3 step drops and quick, timed pass patterns. He has the tools to get timing down. Especially on the short to intermediate passes.
On top of that, there have been times in Smith’s career where he has flashed that first-rounder potential that he was selected to be.
Against the Raiders, he sustained multiple drives and his RZ success has already been there throughout his career.
I think if the Oline can finally after 6 years get their crap together and play as a single unit instead of on individual islands, he will gain trust and confidence in them and in turn make a lot more things happen.
Montana said in the interview above (the video link) that he will have a ton of options and he can dump off for 4 yards on a first down which will open the offense up a bit more than years previous where he has been put in a ton of 3rd and Long situations.
I think there are a lot of positives and a lot of negatives. But I think the positives of this NEW situation far out weigh the negative ones. And that Alex Smith will finally be put on a real platform that he can advance his career.
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Word
I think he’s a long term project that, if he can learn the system, can do some great things.
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
still the fact remains that the qb is supposed to have those traits according to Joe Montana per his interview posted above.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 30, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
It's so sad that I have to point to one single play
but there was a play in the Raider gave that gave me a little hope. Alex took I believe a 7 step, got pressured, then miraculously reset his feet and stepped up and threw a completion. I couldn’t remember seeing that.
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
those once in a blue moon plays are anomalies. Another thing he never does is throw deep balls so the receiver can run under it, he did that for the first time last year 2nd game against the cards. And of course on that play Josh Morgan gave up and did not run for the ball.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 30, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Like I said, sad that I have to reach to grab one play out of my memory bank.
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes you have to do it with less than stellar protection
How many plays did Joe and Steve make after protection broke down?
C’mon man, Alex can barely make a play when the protection DOESN’T break down.
those all the times are sometimes for quarterbacks who have pocket presence. There is no team in the NFL that can give a quarterback 4-6 seconds on every single snap, None.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Again, you have to form an actual pocket in order to have any kind of presence in a pocket.
When you are running for your life 9 times outta 10 it’s pretty damn hard to do anything.
Have you ever played quarterback? If not, that would explain your lack of understanding.
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Doesn't matter who was back there for the past 6 years... in fact even when Shaun Hill was back there
the same things were happening. Look at how Hill is playing in Detroit right now compared to the way he played in SF, then maybe you’ll figure what the heck is wrong.
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David Carr looks like a stud again in NY lol
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
He does have these traits.
World is not black and white, you know?
no, alex smith has none of those traits. sad but true.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a prediction...
All other factors aside, Smith has his best year yet, the team is surprisingly solid, and we get an 8-8 season that easily could have been 9 or 10 wins with a bit more Luck. But, he’s still not great.
What happens then?
I like Smith as a person, am crossing my fingers for him as a player, but almost want the Niners to cut ties with him JUST so that we here on NinersNation can move on to another discussion topic.
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Nobody above will take the bet. I’ll even make it easier for you to win – if the 49ers go 8-8 or better, I donate $100 to your favorite charity. If they go 7-9 or worse, you donate $100 to the Agee Memorial WIldlife Fund, an animal shelter in El Dorado County.
You game?
oh, goodness...
I can’t, simply on the premise that if I bet against the 49ers and lose, there is the silver lining that they won. If I bet on them to win and lose, I lose AND so do they.
That, and frankly, 7-9 sounds about right. The 49ers disappoint me season in and season out…no reason to make it financial until we have something to bet on where the outcome is a little harder to predict.
I DO think Smith will have a year that is SLIGHTLY better than his previous ones, just to make things all the murkier…
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by lottwasgangsta on Aug 30, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Fox Sports Predict the NFC West
NFC WEST:
1) St. Louis Rams (8-8)
2) Seattle Seahawks (8-8)
3) Arizona Cardinals (7-9)
4) San Francisco 49ers (5-11)
No love in SF
EVERYONE is picking the Niners to come in last….I hope we can shove it in their faces at the end of the season!
As an impartial observer
I firmly believe you guys take the West this year. Further, I believe that anyone who predicts more than four wins for Seattle has got to be taking at least 6 different kinds of mind altering prescriptions. I think the Fox Sports prediction would be much more accurate if Seattle and San Fran were switched. Summary from an outsider: you take the division with 8-8.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Not true. I believe that the Football Outsiders are predicting that Niners will win the NFC West with 7.5 wins
They correctly predicted last season’s 6-10 record.
Most national writers don't have a very good idea what goes in NFC West.
Others like Michael Silver are taking a wait-and-see approach to Alex Smith, like most of the local writers.
If the Dolphins can go from 1 win to 11 in one year....
we are more than capable of greatly improving under a new coach who seems to know what he’s doing.
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Meh
A lot of people picked the 49ers to win the West last year.
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
only because they we’re drinking Jimmy Raye’s kool-aid. Run-run-run…and if that doesn’t work, run some more
I'm not talking 49ers fans, I mean writers and "experts"
They were a lot of peoples’ sleeper team if I remember correctly.
by AptosNinerFan on Aug 30, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith is not a good NFL QB
And probably he never will be. But I think he is an average NFL QB… maybe not quite an average starter.
It’s not like his replacements were ever very successful.
That being said, Shaun Hill solidly outplayed Smith last year with the Lions.
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Just for the sake of me asking...
How was the coaching staff, game-planning, and strategy different for the Lions than the Niners last year?
Simply asking. If you swapped Alex and Hill on the Niners and Lions last year, do you think Hill would still have outplayed Alex?
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no. I was never impressed by Hill when he was in SF. However, I didn’t watch a single Lions game last year… FO reports that they were terrible at run blocking and quite good as pass blocking. He did have Calvin Johnson. But Smith had Vernon Davis..
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I think Hill's play in Detroit versus SF is more of an attribute to the offensive schemes and blocking.
There is no other explanation.
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Hill played better as a niner in the same system though.
At least there is next year...
by rlott#42 on Aug 30, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Drew Kerr will never admit this
He’s a homer. If we cut Smith and had Hill right now, Kerr would be Hill’s biggest fan.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
How?
By handing the ball off to Frank Gore? Cause that’s all the “system” if you could call it that was about.
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Yeah right?
The offense pretty much went
1st down – run
2nd down – run
3rd and long – run for your life and try to complete a pass.
Why do you think every DC and their brothers had our number? It wasn’t because of the players… it was damnwell because of the moron up in the booth calling the plays.
That was the worst offensive system in the history of the NFL. In contention with the inaugural season of the Tampa Bay Bucs or the 0-16 Lions. It’s a frikin’ miracle that we won the games that we did.
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Do I need to remind you of what our offense looked like?

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 31, 2011 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
does not change the fact that the niners would have made the playoffs last year with Shaun Hill.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
fact? lol
How is that a fact?
Peyton Manning couldn’t have made the playoffs with the chaos that was considered to be a “coaching staff”.
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Touching post but..
Cute, very Cute. Sorry, I have seen Alex for to long and I am a firm beliver his meer exsistance in the franchise is a cancer eating it alive. This team is in a way defined by him, please lets just get the weight off the teams shoulders. No more Alex Smith for better or worse, I would even ecept worse at this point becuase i truley belive it can’t get that much worse at this moment with Smith on the roster. The players, the fanbase the media would no longer have to feel his canceres pressance. PLZ MOVE ON!!!! CUT HIM TODAY!!!! NOW NOW NOW!!!!!
This is what people in Tampa were saying when they sent Young packing.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Tampa Bay did not spend seven years with Steve Young
the analogy isn’t even close.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 30, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex had six years of playing football, how many games did young play in before starting for the niners. the math does not add up and comparing alex smith career path to steve young does not make sense.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
No but comparing John Brodie does...
Steve Young struggled in the games he DID play in though. He was 30-years old when the lights finally went on for him. After that he gave the Niners 8 Hall of Fame seasons.
Alex is what? 26? 27?
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Brodie was also 30 years old when things finally started clicking.
In his 9th season as a pro.
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go compare how many games they played and see how many games it took steve young to play great. no comparison to steve young in any way
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
This whole Steve Young metaphor is just so transparently disingenious
Makes you really wonder about the person posting it on the other end.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 31, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I just want to know what is going on in your mind that makes you think the analogy is valid
you’ve used it many times and never once been able to connect the dots.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Young
I could see questioning what you’re thinking but I don’t think he needs to question the person.
However, the Steve Young comparison is a bit loose. Young played 19 games in TB before settling in as the generally no questions backup in SF for 4+ years. In seven seasons from 1985 through 1990 he started 29 games. We’ll throw in the 12 games he started in the USFL in 1984, so from 1984 through 1990 he started 41 games. Alex Smith has started 50 games through 5 seasons (throwing out his lost season in 2008).
The context just seem so much different. I’m not saying Alex Smith won’t figure it all out. I hope he does. I think there is some room for comparison, but I’d argue you’re much better comparing Alex Smith to Jim Harbaugh the quarterback.
by David Fucillo on Aug 31, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
I could not agree more, but I couldn’t put the words together. You don’t have to act like Randy Moss to be a cancer in the locker room!
Man, that just sums it up. THANKS!!!!
I don't think cancer is the right term
If it wasn’t for the lockout, I am pretty certain that Smith would be backing up Rivers and Harbaugh would have been able to get a veteran to run the team for 2-3 years while Kaepernick prepared. I don’t think this is working out for either parties, but we will have to wait and see. But I don’t think Smith in the huddle inspires confidence in anyone.
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Great article Drew K!
I really enjoyed this. Alex has been frustrating to say the least. But until we figure our o-line, do we want to repeat history with Colin? He’s not ready yet and there were no better options in free agency. Alex is what we have and we have to accept that as fans frustrating or not. Cutting him is not intelligent for the future. The niners have the easiest schedule of the division by far. I’m not in love with alex and I’ve actually cursed his name many times, but fix that dang o-line or we will never have a chance to win.
by I love Patrick Willis on Aug 30, 2011 6:15 PM PDT reply actions
How many wins do you think Alex Smith can lead the 49ers to in 2011?
That’s easy …..0. If wins are not a QB stat, and this is a team game, how do you ask this question?
At least there is next year...
Hence... help lead to.
I never said how many games will he win?
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A few thoughts
Based on what I’ve seen/read throughout the preseason, I don’t think expecting anything above 8-8 is being all that realistic HOWEVER does that now preclude me from being able to root for the team to do better than that? Isn’t that kind of the point?
Harbaugh trusts Alex Smith, someone who knows QBs trusts him, so until the season kicks off and Alex crashes and burns (which I’d give at least an equal chance of happening as him being successful) I’m not going to bash him. Somehow this makes me a homer rather than just an optimist. Yet when someone goes the exact opposite way they are a realist?
I would argue my thoughts on going 8-8 make me quite the realist as that is the best I genuinely think we will end up and wouldn’t be surprised with as low as 5-6 wins. I would be pleasantly surprised at more, but I don’t see why I can’t think one thing realistically, and as a crazed fan root for my team to go 19-0. Now if we start 0-6 and I start clamoring about us winning the Super Bowl that is a different issue as the circumstances have changed, but as it stands we haven’t played a down that matters yet…
It seems as though that is where the divide is. There are obviously some that may expect 10 wins, but I think the vast majority tops out at around 8-8 or 9-7, no one can say in the NFC West that isn’t at least conceivable. So you have a group that expects about .500 record and a group that for some reason WANTS everyone else to expect a 2-4 win season along with them, I just can’t get my head around that. I’m fine with people thinking we won’t win more than 2-4, but that isn’t being realistic, it is being pessimistic. Obviously the situation isn’t truly this dichotomous, but in simple terms it makes sense.
I sit here and see delusional fans in Washington think they are going to win the division at the beginning of every season, it bugs the crap out of me, but deep down I can sort of appreciate it, at least they are passionate about it, no matter how wrong they may end up. And typically around their bye week they realize it. Sadly, it isn’t really all that dissimilar from the 49ers path the last 10 years :-(.
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I don’t get why we keep drafting QB’s from college conferences that don’t play quality opponents on a regular basis. It makes no sense to me at all. The reality of these two QB nightmares is that they somehow proved to our college scouts, that by beating a total of maybe two quality opponents in their college careers that they were good enough to be taken in the first and second rounds. While players like Aaron Rodgers from the Pac -10 and Even Chase Daniels whom I think was a way safer QB to take out of the SEC, were better then the two clowns we have now. I say behind closed doors during the 1 year contract signing with Alex the team informs him that he is not getting the 5 mill to take this team to the playoffs. Instead he is taking this team to the first pick in the draft. There he will get to see the man that will not only replace him, but also make sure Colin gets to sit his but on the bench.
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