49ers vs. Chargers: Who Has The Most To Gain/Lose Tomorrow?
The San Francisco 49ers host visit the San Diego Chargers Thursday evening in their preseason finale. While practice performance is an essential element of the 53-man roster equation, the coaching staff will not completely ignore poor performances during the game. Since we don't get a chance to watch practice every day, we're stuck speculating based on game performances.
The 53-man roster is likely close to finalized, but there are still several position battles and final roster spots to be determined. When I say the 53-man roster is close to finalized, I'd say there are probably four or five spots on the 53-man roster truly up for grabs. You have guys like Dominique Zeigler and Ronald Johnson battling it out. Will Tukuafu and Demarcus Dobbs could fight down to the wire. Phillip Adams seems to be teetering in rehabbing his ankle injury.
However, there is also much to gain and much to lose in terms of regular season playing time. Guys like Adam Snyder and Kendall Hunter and Madieu Williams are all going to make the 49ers roster, but the question is how much time they'll see the field. We'll go into Madieu Williams in more depth on Friday, but for now he's battling for some kind of significant playing time with the regular defense, and not just as a special teams and fifth DB on the field. He appears to be having a strong camp, and a strong performance tomorrow could get him more regular time.
The beat writers are putting together posts on players who need to step up and questions heading into the game so check those out when you get a minute. In the meantime, who are you looking at tomorrow as a player (or players) who needs to put together a strong effort, whether it be for starting time or a roster spot?
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Well , i guess i win , found out today that the game is on here in Vegas , Yay me ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
colin jones
is he still alive? he hasn’t been mentioned in like 2 weeks.
Actually he is in Detroit...
I just love that name. Joe Jon… awesome.
by Sigelvictory on Aug 31, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
no... JJ Finley is in detroit...
nevermind… I dont know where I was going with that.
by Sigelvictory on Aug 31, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Zeigler v/s Lance Long
With Rojo’s game fail last Saturday and Juravich’s release, I’m wondering if the competition for the sixth receiver slot (assuming there is one) is between Zeigler and Long. Ziegler did respectably in his return, but was always on the bubble even with the previous staff. Per DrewK’s article on wide receivers this preseason, Long has shone both toughness and reliability. Does Zeigler’s status as a 49er vet and 6’3" height give him the tie-break or Long?
Rojo can go on the practice squad if he’s still seen as worth keeping, but I seem to recall that neither Zeigler or Long have PS eligibility any longer.
by OffensiveInterference on Aug 31, 2011 4:54 PM PDT reply actions
pick an offensive lineman
I’m surprisingly confident in most areas of this team (with noted exceptions at QB and CB)… but I just can’t figure out the OL. So many high draft picks. So many guys who, individually, I think are pretty good or even better. Yet the whole does not seem to equal the sum of the parts with these guys. I don’t know what needs to change (my guess is better communication and more confidence in the scheme and their assignments— basically the mental aspects of the game) but something definitely needs to change. San Diego has a good defense— this will be a good test for them.
And really, it’s more important for them than anyone else for another reason too— there’s not really a preseason for the OL. I mean, sure, the games don’t count, but a devestating QB injury in the preseason can be just as damaging to a team’s chances as one in the regular season. These guys need to learn how to keep Smith/Kaep upright if we’re going to have any chance this year of exceeding expectations.
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by Smoke on the Water on Aug 31, 2011 4:56 PM PDT reply actions
Corner
Is actually looking solid with Cully stepping up and Brock looking pretty good. Get Spencer in there and it should be okay.
One important variable in the secondary is an improved pass rush
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 31, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
CB is looking good for the preseason
I’ll have more confidence in them when I see them shut down some of the receivers in this division when the games actually count. I like a lot of the potential we have there, but I’m not sure if we actually have two guys worthy of starting on good teams right now. (If Spencer bounces back and is healthy, that changes a lot)
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by Smoke on the Water on Aug 31, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If we see the Spencer
from 2005 and maybe even 2009, the corner situation will be vastly improved. If we see the Spencer from last season, it will be mildly improved
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 31, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He has played real well
in all three games even. I am surprised by his performance thus far. We knew he had the talent, now he is putting it together.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 31, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
DBs coaching is probably the difference
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I doubt that. That scheme from last year would make any corner look atrocious.
At least there is next year...
I agree, the defense as a whole should be better just because of the new schemes
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Get Spencer out in of there and it should be okay.
that looks better
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 31, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
if forced to pick a specific O-lineman
I’d say A. Davis… with Boone nipping at his heels, he’s the guy I could see losing his starting job the easiest.
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by Smoke on the Water on Aug 31, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You know..I keep seeing people bang on Anthony Davis, but he has been one of the better guys on the line in games.
He hasn’t been perfect, like the false start and some bad pressures in the 1st game against NO, but he has been one of the most conststant in the last 2 games. I know he hasn’t been perfect, but better than Staley getting bull rushed into the QB. Davis has had some nice blocks go for good runs. All I know, is that his name wasn’t mentioned when they were calling out the o-linemen that had bad games last week.
by ericalancanty on Aug 31, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
By Mid-Season Anthony Davis & Mike Iupati we be dual Beasts!
these two youngsters each have the tools to be monsters…stay tuned
True
I also backed a play by Anthony Davis when some fan was calling him out as Kwame Harris No. 2. Personally attacking the offensive tackle, he appreciated that.
I did say that improvement is key, and he agreed.
I think he will step up this season. If not, he can easily transition to guard in 2012.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 31, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you are right
But if that means him losing the starting job for awhile, so be it.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 31, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really rooting for RoJo to do SOMETHING!
I wanna see some flash of brilliance or something you know? Just one high light reel catch to make me drop my jaws and start a “RJ is our future” club, but nada! Nothing so far!
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by afrikabamboodle on Aug 31, 2011 4:56 PM PDT reply actions
Offensive Line, plain and simple
I want to see the starting unit play and perform at a high level for three quarters. None of this mix and matching. Play Staley, Iupati, Goodwin, Rachal and Davis for a large majority of the game.
If our offensive line can prove something the early part of the schedule is in our favor. I want to see where they stand!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 31, 2011 4:57 PM PDT reply actions
Guys I hope continue to shine & make our roster...
*Bruce Miller (although I feel he already has shown enough) Hopefully goodbye Norris!
*Phillip Adams ( so far he looks good at only 80% healthy…just wait until 100%)
*Dobbs (this f/a rook is big, fast, strong and dang impressive!)
Lastly, here is hopeing Aldon Smith gets back on track and proves he can Sack the Q.B.
Aldon has kinda been quiet these last two pre-season games.
With you on all 3 of these
Pretty sure Dobbs and Miller are in but they may not wait for Adams to fully recover. Which would be our loss.
Aldon probably wouldve a sack
on the play where Dobbs blew through and Leinart had no choice but to basically run backwards. Aldon looked like he had a good bull rush going and wouldve at least collapsed the pocket if not for Dobbs’ amazing play
The whole ball of wax....
Game Four of preseason or not, I will be most intrigued by the entire enchilada: in and out of the huddle, crispness and energy on both sides of the ball – and Special Teams; play calling, adjustments quarter to quarter, and just the overall way the team looks compared to the more established teams, ala Steelers, Cowboys, Redskins, etc. And especially how they look in this game compared to how they looked in the first three. Are they progressing or not? Other than that….
Alex Smith has the most to lose
If the offensive line doesn’t get their act together and he gets hit too often. I know he’s had a couple shoulder injuries and he doesn’t need one more now.
Play to Win!
Also
No quarterback could succeed under the pressure that Smith felt against the Saints and Texans. It just isn’t possible.
So, in order for smith to improve the o-line needs to get its crap together.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 31, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He needs to get in their grills and tell them himself.
At least there is next year...
by rlott#42 on Aug 31, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Staley said it the other day that he said it against the Texans
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The Chargers have the most to lose
they will dial it down pretty early and pull starters early. They just want to walk away healthy. Niners have the most to gain. First drive for a TD would be a huge boost of confidence for all involved, players, fans and the organization.
by asmithisaverage on Aug 31, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
C.B. Spencer... time to trade him?
Brown- Brock – Adams – Culliver all have shown pretty well so far.
I think 9ers can get something back in value for Spencer.
Maybe a player for player trade. Spencer for a player who can help fill one of our team weakness.
Who's going to give anything for him?
The answer is no one. He needs to get healthy and play well to have any value.
True
But if you look at passes defended and AV, Spencer has been an above-average starting corner in the NFL. However, a lot of that has to do with his success early.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 31, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you
I’ve seen him play the position well and know that he’s capable. He needs to get healthy and stay healthy for a period of time.
My first reaction is to say that Ronald Johnson or Will Tukuafu are the two that are the tweeners that need to prove they belong on the roster
Everyone else has either earned a roster spot or are going to be cut on saturday. Maybe Ian Williams is another but I think he is going to be on the 53 man roster
Rachal and Davis seem to be the stronger part of our O-Line that most people think
Also whats up with all the hate on Ginn? He hasn’t dropped many catches this preseason. He made an impressive catch the past week with an ugly throw from Smith, but couldn’t keep his feet in bounds.
Wish Aldon Smith could get the start, want to see him go against the Charger’s offense, and see how he holds up, if he doesn’t, then its better to keep him as a situational rusher until developed.
Chilo has been our best
And most consistent
by mcwagner on Aug 31, 2011 9:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yikes who would have hoped for that!
I hope he plays as well as he has and that he still ends up the worst player on the line. We will be awesome!
I could be mistaken but didn't Smith get flattened on that throw?
If not he was definitely about to be so I would say it was an ugly throw. I remember because I was yelling at Ginn to get his other foot down before I saw the replay. Was actually amazing he got his hands on it.
This is a really nice article about a set of 1/2 brothers (one on each team) It's worth reading!
Seriously—it’s very powerful and not spam at all :)
Totally cool story.. it is a good thing for Omon!
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Thinking about L.B. Spikes ...
L.B. Lawson, N.T. Franklin, C.B. Clements, & Mays …that was 4 starters & 1 reserve from our last season Defense.
We will see Spikes in action against us this thursday (look out Alex!).
I wonder how those guys are doing on their new teams…are they all starting?
By the way, other than Spikes, I did not mind any of them going.
I watched a bit of one Chargers game
Spikes obviously didn’t play much more than he needed to. Can’t speak to the rest.
With Manusky as DC he knows what he’ll get out of Spikes. Certainly will be a leader for their defense.
I’m with you, other than that I’m indifferent. Though I did always like Manny more than I realistically should have, would like to see him do well at least.
Our defense looks reaallly new now..
And playing Chargers + Bengals defense is going to be like battling our old enemies or something..
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
Thinking about the missing center from our o-line
Here’s how Baas is doing, from Big Blue View: The Giants new center had a terrific night. On a screen pass to Ahmad Bradshaw Baas got out in front and wiped out three Chicago defenders by himself. On Jacobs’ 18-yard touchdown run Baas — as picked up by the ESPN crew — deftly adjusted the line call when Eli Manning audibled to the run, and the play blew wide open for a touchdown. I think we can stop worrying about this guy.
and we let him go instead of Snyder?? Figures…
by Doni S on Aug 31, 2011 8:40 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
If we weren't stacked at safety, I'd say go get DeAndre McDaniel
Saints cut him yesterday.
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Are u serious??
It’s the last preseason game where the starters won’t see more than 2 drives. It doesn’t matter if we lose another preseason game. It’s more for backups and other players fighting for jobs.
by MarineVet49erFan on Aug 31, 2011 10:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
4-0 + Sing did not guarantee playoffs.
Why would 1-3 + Harbaugh mean the end?
Phillip Adams
He showed promise last year, but that is a position of weakness. It’s not even so much the guys we currently have, but is there gonna be a cut out there that can improve depth at CB.
Didn't you hear?
The niners scrapped their Santa Clara plans when they had a stop over in San Diego and the entire town came out dressed in Red and Gold and began burning Phillip Rivers dolls. The Yorks bought out the lease for Qualcom. It will be a niners home game.
if the line can protect Smith
and Smith can play decent, the 49ERS will make the playoffs and will surprise a lot of people.

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