49ers 53-Man Roster Projection: Post-Goodwin, Rogers Edition
by David Fucillo on Aug 4, 2011 7:30 AM PDT
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PrintTwo days have passed since our first 53-man projection of training camp and we've had some pretty significant changes through free agency. Although free agency technically doesn't really end and players can still be added, the 49ers training camp roster is just about set. The team currently has 85 players signed, with five more open spots if they choose to add bodies. Braylon Edwards remains an option so we'll adjust accordingly if he comes to town.
I had to go out on a limb with some of the players on my projection, particularly the 3rd quarterback role. I actually still think the 49ers could bring in a veteran if they're not satisfied with Jeremiah Masoli or McLeod Bethel-Thompson. For now though, I'm going to stick with the theory of Masoli in a super utility role. The third QB position on this roster is the most tenuous among my choices and we very well could see a veteran brought in at some point. Or maybe the 49ers go with only two QBs. Who knows.
Check over this roster projection and let me know if I'm way off base with any of these? I think there are some borderline folks, but other than Masoli do any of these picks seem inconceivable?
QB (3): Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Jeremiah Masoli (Utility Role)
RB (3): Frank Gore, Anthony Dixon, Kendall Hunter
FB (2): Moran Norris, Bruce Miller
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Konrad Reuland
WR (5): Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Kyle Williams, Ronald Johnson, Ted Ginn
OT (3): Joe Staley, Anthony Davis, Alex Boone
OG (4): Mike Iupati, Chilo Rachal, Adam Snyder, Daniel Kilgore
C (2): Jonathan Goodwin, Tony Wragge
NT (2): Isaac Sopoaga, Ian Williams
DE (4): Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Ricky Jean Francois, Will Tukuafu
OLB (4): Aldon Smith, Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Antwan Applewhite
ILB (4): Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman, Scott McKillop, Blake Costanzo
CB (5): Carlos Rogers, Shawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Chris Culliver, Phillip Adams
S (6): Reggie Smith, Madieu Williams, Taylor Mays, C.J. Spillman, Colin Jones, Curtis Taylor
K (1): David Akers
P (1): Andy Lee
LOS (1): Brian Jennings
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Seems entirely reasonable to me
I think the WRs are fluid though. If Crabs ends up missing serious time…
Six Safeties?
I’d drop that number to five and add one TE. Harbaugh is really big on TE utilization.
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seriously...do we need Moran and 2 FBs...at least Miller is suppose to be a ST machine
Also…do you think Ginn makes it thru camp…a WR who can’t catch isn’t valuable and I think we have others who can return kicks. Also not sure we carry 9 OL…isn’t it usually 8? Maybe Wragge is expendable now?
Wrong, we carried 10 OL last season IIRC
Ginn is the best returner on the team and isn’t worse than a UDFA WR. He’ll make it.
yay ginn...guess im waiting to be impressed by anything he's ever done.
well he only getting paid 1.3M and is a FA next year…maybe he has something to play for now
Maybe
They will keep norris and use miller and conrad in a h-back/ tightend roll. But I think nate b would be better, suck that he got hurt.b
by gore4president on Aug 4, 2011 8:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
does anyone know the new Practice Squad rules?
same as before…what is it 7 players?
Safeties?
Six safeties seems like a lot. Is that because some of them are special teamers that happen to be safeties?
Think so?
Madieu was statistically as good as Goldson, and all reports are that Reggie Smith is tearing it up in camp.
Do want Braylon (or Floyd) though.
Goldson appears to think he's worth a lot...32 teams haven't agreed with him yet.
Would rather NOT have an overpaid under contributing player eating cap space
Our DBs will be under fire and I want better depth than special teamers.
If we sign him for what his value is, it’s a win-win.
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 4, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Thaddeus Gibson will make the Roster I think
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6 safeties is 2 to 3 too many, and Norris is well... Norris
Would rather have Thaddeus Gibson for sure.
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yeah too early to tell...other option would be go w/ 2 QBs or try to slip Kilgore to the PS?
it’s all a guessing game now until the final roster is set anyway…speculation is fun!
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I bet Kilgore would survive to the PS. A no-name olineman from a small school in 1-AA drafted in the 5th? Eh. I think not carrying a 3rd QB is a dumb risk when we don’t have a deeply entrenched starter. Masoli seems like a good balance since he can play QB in a pinch and contribute elsewhere.
5th round picks aren't necessarily safe on waivers.
They obviously didn’t feel safe leaving him on the board into the sixth round.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I think Kilgore would be safe
ppl were all up on Baalke’s nuts at the time of the draft, saying he was the 73rd tackle in the draft or something
i believe so, that's how we got Gibson from Pitt. if they are signed off waivers they have to be on the 53.
if they clear waives i believe they can sign to any PS.
Thadeus Gibson for Curtis Taylor and
Sealver Siliga might beat out Tukuafu, otherwise, looks good to me barring any further FA signings
I see Tukuafu making the cut and Siliga going PS
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by EcERyda69 on Aug 4, 2011 8:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
wow
I swear I hadn’t read this when I said to drop Taylor for GIbson.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Tukuafu taking first team reps while McD can't practice....
I’d put more money on WT making the 53 than Siliga. Siliga is going to be PS or on the street when training camp is over.
didn't realize he was taking first team reps
prediction retracted
This is the guy who got a sack on his first play.
(in preseason, but still)
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
DLine has been pretty weird in the first few days
At one point out 1st team DL was – Tukuafu, Williams, RJF; in that order from left to right.
If we sign Brandon Marshall
I can see Ginn being cut, seeing as there are new rules about kickoffs
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Oops not Marshall, Braylon Edwards
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Might be possible too :)
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well, it would only really matter when Crabtree comes off PUP
until then they’d have the extra roster spot
by whistlingmountain on Aug 4, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Terence Newman to miss preseason
May be cut now, Cowboys need to get under the salary cap
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Quick thoughts:
Switch Kendall Hunter and Anthony Dixon.
Replace Ted Ginn with Kevin Jurovich.
Drop Curtis Taylor for Thaddeus Gibson.
Force Brian Jennings to legally change his name to Jennings Brian for my own personal amusement.
Super Bowl.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
agreed on all ur changes
And put in Edwards for Jurovich if he signs
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and release Norris
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Bruce Miller
Replace Norris with Miller
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by EcERyda69 on Aug 4, 2011 8:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
What about Bruce Bruce? Does JH need two FBs?
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Walker isn't really a TE
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said 3rd TE...they can be taught
first person to defend Norris award
This sounds reasonable....
This signing almost guaranteed Norris was done unless they intend to put Miller on the PS. Corcoran was on the PS last year and had no where to go, so they would have signed him to a one year deal if he was just camp fodder.
Sounds like they intend for him to start while Miller grasps the entire role of fullback.
Bruce Miller vs Moran Norris
You can’t cut the latter and expect the former to seamlessly step in. He’s a rookie, he’s never ever played FB before, and he’s hurt and missing time. Hate Norris all you want (most of us do), but he’s not going anywhere for now.
What happened to Miller again?
I’m blanking on which injury was him.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
...and then it's Byham who's out for the year, right?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
What about Corcoran?
I really doubt the FO gives him a 3 year contract if he was just here to take up space for training camp. I’d say he’s more likely to be our starter week 1 than either Norris or Miller.
7th round draft picks sign 3-year deals and aren't locks to make roster, either
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True...
But in a year where we could easily get a FB like Corcoran on a one year deal, why the 3-year variety? I just think his contract balances almost perfectly with them trying to convert Miller to FB.
Miller can play ST and study up in practice on the naunces of playing FB. He can also be used situationally for pass rush if we’re desperate and he’s dressing for the game. In the meantime, Corcoran can hold it down doing lead blocking and we won’t have to worry about poor blocking and no ability to catch the ball.
can Corcoran catch? Haven't heard his name mentioned yet.
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Here's college stats....
Seems more like a lead blocker, but his YPC average is pretty good.
That appears to be Norris' advantage over anyone trying to replace him.
He doesn’t get injured. (Gotta be suitable for the purpose intended)
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 4, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
mattbarrows Matt Barrows
WR Malcolm Floyd (West Sac) still weighing options. SD, SF, Bal, Philly in the mix. Car, Jax like him, too. They’re trying to get under cap.
Is Philly starting to become to most hated city in SF?
Phillies, Eagles…blah
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
How does Philly even have all that money??
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Doubt Philly is in the mix then.
I see Baltimore as teh biggest threat to land him.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
who cares? the 49ers can't be a real contender for a couple years
by then the eagles will be suffering from all of these contracts
by whistlingmountain on Aug 4, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting tidbit on Harbaugh the Punter
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 8:26 AM PDT reply actions
I wonder if he did it to emphasize not running in to the kicker.
Something about trucking your new head coach in the first week of practice seems like a bad idea. Or maybe he just wanted to kick footballs.
I say we trade for Vontae Davis
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Get Vernon to get him to come :)
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lol
He’s their best corner, no way he gets traded
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I'm kidding, just saying he would be great
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 4, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Norris tenure with the 49ers
Norris is not the worst player the 49ers could have at the FB position, He serves an adequate purpose for run blocking, however he is inadequate at pass recieving, Last year in the season opener in Seattle he almost fell down on a four yard pass route and there was no defender there, He was trying to back pedall while the ball sailed over his head.
he was below average even in run blocking last season.
he’s just not performed well enough
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Greg Cosell WR rankings
http://www.fantasyguru.com/football/subscribers/articles/8-4-11cosellwrs.php
Same guy who said Rogers was an upgrade over Clements.
Check out where he ranks Floyd and Braylon. Crabtree and Morgan pretty good rankings as well
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by EcERyda69 on Aug 4, 2011 8:30 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Norris roster spot
As below average as Norris may be, right now he is the more proven option, Miller has probably never even played on the offensive side of the ball. Lets just say they both need to learn how to catch a ball.
1 FB, and I don't want to lose Kristick or Gibson really, either
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There are a lot of guys gonna get cut. Hard to tell who the bubble guys are going to be at this point
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Free Agent FB
How much do you really know about him, where is he from? Whow did he play with?
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Kyle Williams
I was really excited about Kyle when he was drafted -especially given his return ability - but now I am sick of hearing about his constant hamstring issues. He had them last TC, had them during camp alex, and now has them again. I say sign Kyle to the PS and let Jurovich have a chance on the 53. We have Ginn for return duties anyway . . .
strikethrough
that was supposed to be em dashes and not a strikethrough. I actually was excited about his return ability
Make him drink more water...
.. and make him take Yoga… those hammie issues will be a thing of the past….
by D.P on Aug 4, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't lose sleep if he was cut. What has he really done for us besides taking up a roster spot?
We have Ginn for return duties and I’d even put Culliver there before I would Williams
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
49ers CB situation
I really hope Phillip Adams improves, at least enough to be the Nickel back. He took one to the house on a PR last year in the Pre season. Rogers doesn’t exactly seem too thrilling. Hopefully an adequate replacement for Clements.
Didn't he also fumble one that gave the ball back to New Orleans that almost directly led to losing the game
in the regular season?
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yes
he wasn’t really a returner but Ginn and KW were hurt and Sing had no great contingency plans.
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no way
that guy was horrible. I will never forget the image of him being stuffed at the goal line against AZ on monday night a few years back. it’s burned into my eyeballs.
That was also a horrible play call. They were like 3+ yards out.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
you're both wrong
the play call got messed up and went to the wrong side
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Really? I thought it was Martz who didn't know how far he had from the goalline and Singletary not knowing anything about time management? He got zombied out in that situation.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think there was confusion when the clock started unexpectedly
and they didn’t have time to set up a play.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Yeah, I remember that...but I thought that was more due to Singletary not understanding how the clock works and etc...while Martz was trying to find out from the official what the distance was.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
All I remember is the clock being stopped with just a couple seconds left
mass confusion all over the place…and then the ref announces that the clock will start on his whistle, and panic ensued.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Correct
Marts & Sing, from what I believe, thought it was gonig to be 1 to 1 1/2 yards out, but it was spotted 2 1/2 yards out. I think Martz was forced into that play call due to time management and ball placement confusion.
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The clock confusion led to the play being called to the wrong side
it went weak side instead of strong
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true
yes that is true. I remember that was the main criticism of that play. but i still didn’t like him as a player even when the play calls were good
Funny..
This roster seems dramatically more comfortable to me than what we were looking at just a few days ago. And with the chance we add a good WR to the mix… I like this team.
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A couple changes I can see....
1. Replace Norris with Corcoran.
2. Replace Ginn with Jurovich; unless we sign Edwards, then he takes the 5th WR spot, though he’ll be #1 on depth chart.
3. Replace Wragge with Bieler
4. Add Gibson to OLBs and remove C. Taylor from S group
Only other thing I could see is possibly keeping MBT/veteran as the 3rd QB and releasing one other player elsewhere; while still keeping Masoli for the utility role. It’s possible that we only go with 4 WR in this case, meaning K. Williams is most likely the odd man out. I like Williams though and would be bummed to see him go.
kinda like the Bieler keep..really what's the point of keeping Wragge for 1 year, Snyder can back up center
and you can develop Kilgore…who seems like the long term plan for C
Moran Norris
I can’t believe I jsut spent the majority of my morning talking about moran norris. Hopefully some news on Floyd and/or Braylon comes out soon.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 8:59 AM PDT reply actions
too many safeties not enough cb's, niners historically keep only four.
c.j. spillman and curtis taylor probably do not make it.
i can see wragge and chilo being cut and person making the team, i do not think person gets put on the practice squad.
thadeous gibson also makes the team. If bruce miller plays in the preseason and looks good norris is cut, hopefully
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 4, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Costanzo and Spillman - two ST aces
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do not need a team full of special aces that suck playing their respective posistion
i can see costanzo making the team over spillman, but still think they both might not make it. they both have one year contract which they would get more expensive next year or need to be replaced. that also must be considered.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 4, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
safeties
Actually, they’ve kept five safeties the last two years.
by David Fucillo on Aug 4, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
forgot about this guy
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5944
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 4, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
nothing to report
they have offers, they’re waiting for teams to clear cap or deciding between them.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 4, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Basically says Floyd's decision is "suppose" to come soon and that BAL offered him $3+ mil/year.
And that Floyd’s agent is waiting to see if any other teams come in higher than that.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 4, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
His decision was supposed to come yesterday too, so its still wait and see
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 4, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
If their waiting for team to clear up cap space that eliminates San Francisco
because they already have the cap space. I think Floyd may be waiting, still want to know what, if anything, materialized with the Edwards meeting last night.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 4, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
me too
AND we have to wait until 5pm for practice to start
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what about them cutting chilo, and start snyder do you guys see that happening? i think if edwards or floyd sign Ginn will be gone, and they should cut curtis taylor for gibson.
cut chilo
Probably not this year. Maybe next, if he gets off to another slow start.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Cut?
I wouldn’t. I’d just have Snyder start, and use Chilo as a back up. Just because as guy isn’t a started doesn’t mean he should be cut. Don’t want to lose OL depth at this point.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Agreed....
Snyder starts and Chilo is the back up. If anyone goes down at another position, Snyder is most likely to move to that position and Chilo steps back into the RG position.
by 9thevolution on Aug 4, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing I would change
would be to put Thaddeus Gibson on the 53 and drop Curtis Taylor (hopefully to the PS). I like that you have five ST aces on your roster fooch (Ginn, McKillop, Costanzo, Jones and Spillman). A couple of which could actually fill in at their respective positions as well.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 4, 2011 9:26 AM PDT reply actions
Why is everyone so high on Gibson?
just because the Steelers drafted him?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
he was a fourth round pick last year
he deserves at least another year to see if he’s can make the transition for DE to OLB
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2384
This
He put up ten sacks in limited playing time for Ohio State, being utilized both on the inside and outside. Ohio State ran up against some pretty solid offenses during that span as well.
Gibson was a surprise early entrant in the draft. At this point in his development, he may purely be a pass rusher. He struggles reading run keys and is an unknown in pass coverage. He’s almost exclusively a 3-4 linebacker and will need to be coached up.
He left early, which was a huge mistake. Would have been a 1st round pick had he returned to Ohio State for his Senior Season.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 4, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Breaking news:
Braylon Edwards and Malcom Floyd both fly to SF to meet with 49ers. Both of them had layovers at LAX, and both signed deals with the Jets before leaving Los Angeles.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
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and to think Baas is getting 5M a year
DESPITE that snap.
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That snap was impressive. WIth our offense, I’m sure he thought we were punting.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 4, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
pass
I see suspensions in his future. Who wants to pay a guy not to play?
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
looking at our schedule,
we play the majority of the NFC West later in the season, so signing him would still be great and beneficial
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Interested to see who gets cut
for cap reasons elsewhere in the league. Could see last second trading.
Maybe Cincy has a change of heart and deals Palmer. I don’t see it happening, but I wouldn’t mind it.
I’m wondering how teams will approach the cap thing. Several small cuts, or one high dollar player? Should be fun to watch.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Do you want Palmer on the 49ers?
I know you don’t like Alex Smith, but I don’t think Palmer’s the answer at this point. I’d certainly rather have that 1st,2nd or 3rd rounder it will take to get him.
1st rounder?
yeah, not so much. How about straight up, Smith for Palmer, MAYBE toss a low rounder in there to boot.
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Straight up? Nah
Rather have Smith, who’s younger and didn’t fall off a cliff in production after a devasting knee and shoulder injury.
i don't suppose there's an over-under this season on how long it takes for Alex...
to give way to Kaepernick?? I’m gonna say 3 games, 4 at most.
I'd go higher...
10 games would be a reasonable over-under. At that point we would know how he’s playing and adapted to the system and if we were already too far out of playoff reach.
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