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49ers 2011 NFL Free Agency Grade: How Have Trent Baalke & Co. Done The Past Week?

Over at the World Wide Leader yesterday, Matt Williamson put together some grades on free agency and teams' moves since the lockout was lifted last week. A lot of teams got down to business right away and put together some moves that on paper seem to work for them. The 49ers took their time pursuing free agents before exploding in activity over the last couple of days.

Williamson gave the 49ers a D-, which equaled the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the worst grade among all teams. The grade was assessed before the additions of Donte Whitner and Braylon Edwards. In writing up his recap, Williamson seemed to assume the 49ers had waited too long and were not making any more moves. This seemed foolish given the fact that some significant free agents remained on the market and salary cap constraints would add some more. It seems to go towards some manner of impatience and a need to rush to judgment.

After the jump, a quick rundown of the veteran and undrafted free agents added over the last ten days.

Star-divide

We'll have plenty of coverage on the free agency additions in the coming days, so for now I'll take a broader look at things. Overall, I think the 49ers did an excellent job addressing their needs while not hamstringing themselves in the future. There was some solid talent on the market, but not nearly as much as people might lead us to believe. Throw in the tricky schedule created by the lockout and it was a madhouse.

The 49ers preached a strategy of patience and on paper I'd argue it paid off. I don't think they were ever really going to be in the running for the few huge names on the market. And then instead of overpaying on the second tier they simply let the market settle down and let players come to them.

Some would argue they did not address fullback or nose tackle sufficiently. I think the team is comfortable with Isaac Sopoaga and I know I am not alone in hoping for long term success for Ian Williams. Fullback would really be the only position left open to significant question. Moran Norris has had his struggles and it's hard to tell what the coaching staff thinks of him at this point. Bruce Miller and Jack Corcoran will compete for fullback playing time and the team also might use their third tight end in a fullback role at times. It leaves a big question mark, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks of the preseason.

It remains to be seen how all these new players will blend together, and that really is the ultimate question mark. Of course, in putting together a grade at this point we're merely projecting forward. If I had to give the team's free agency a grade at this point, I actually think I'd give them an A-.

Given the context of the lockout, my grade reflects two significant factors. They filled numerous key holes in the depth chart with perfectly solid talent and they did it while being fiscally responsible. People complained day after day that this was another case of the Yorks being cheap. I don't think so. The team employed a strategy that brought in talent without making stupid long term commitments. It was a unique time in NFL history and they played the game accordingly over the last week. While nobody wins the season during free agency, they've taken a strong first step at the start of the Jim Harbaugh era. Thus, I'll go A-.

The 49ers veteran free agency acquisitions at this point are as follows:

David Akers, K
Antwan Applewhite, OLB
Jack Corcoran, FB
Blake Costanzo, LB
Braylon Edwards, WR
Jonathan Goodwin, C
Ray McDonald, DE
Carlos Rogers, CB
Alex Smith, QB
Donte Whitner, S
Madieu Williams, S
Tony Wragge, C

The 49ers undrafted free agents are as follows:

Chase Beeler, C
Tyler Beiler, WR
McLeod Bethel-Thompson, QB
Dontavia Bogan, WR
Brian Bulcke, DE
Phillip Davis, CB
Demarcus Dobbs, DE
Donovan Edwards, OL
Derek Hall, OT
Joe Hastings, WR
Chris Hogan, WR
Jeremiah Masoli, QB
Cory Nelms, CB
Konrad Reuland, TE
Kenny Rowe, LB
Sealver Siliga, NT
Monte Simmons, LB
Seth Smith, RB
Anthony West, DB
Kenny Wiggins, OT
Ian Williams, NT

Poll
How would you grade the 49ers moves since the lockout ended (undrafted free agents AND veteran free agents)?
A
162 votes
A-
273 votes
B+
655 votes
B
604 votes
B-
338 votes
C+
200 votes
C
135 votes
C-
52 votes
D+
31 votes
D
31 votes
D-
18 votes
F
46 votes

2545 votes | Poll has closed

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The salaries match up…let’s offer a trade!

I just don’t understand the Raiders. I’m interested in who they are cutting to go under the cap…

I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson

by fjm on Aug 5, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for the tip

I just found an article from La Confora confirming it was Routt & Seymour’s contracts they restructured. Routt now has the 3rd richest CB contract in the league…

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/08/05/routt-only-one-example-of-how-deals-are-reworked/

I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson

by fjm on Aug 5, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

and he deserves every penny. Name two better: Nnamdi and Revis. And they are barely better… HAHAHA

by mcwagner on Aug 5, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well Done

Upgrades at every position with exception of NT and with responsible contracts. FB can be upgraded via waiver wire and not an area you’ll see big money thrown at a player. Baalke doing an excellent job, IMO. Mays situation a bit goofy but we’ll see how that plays out.

by sfbruin1223 on Aug 5, 2011 7:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Wut? If you look the expected starting line up

Remember, the question is about free agency, not about the draft.

The good:
WR – moderate upgrade
K – minor upgrade

The unknown:
DE – expected upgrade
FB – ??
C – hopefully a wash or better

The bad:
QB – not upgraded [key position] 2nd round rookie wildcard
OLB – downgraded [key position] 1st round rookie wildcard
CB – downgraded a little [key position] 3rd round rookie wildcard
NT – downgraded [key position]
S – downgraded
ILB – downgraded a lot

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

think your position assessments are off

WR – major upgrade from Josh morgan who has never had over 700 yards in a season
K – minor upgrade –
DE – expected upgrade
FB – Jack Corcoran, Moran Norris, and Rookie Miller all fighting for the position, can be replaced later if none of the three work out
C – replaced 30 yearold with one year of experience with 32 yearold with 9 years of experience, probowl pick last year and superbowl starter
QB – 2nd round rookie wildcard – no available FA would have been an upgrade
OLB – 7th pick overall in the draft to replace a guy with 14.5 sacks over 5 years
CB – upgraded clements with a CB who’s biggest knock is he can’t catch interceptions, drafted a long term solution
NT – didn’t upgrade or downgrade, I think soapaga will do a good job clogging the middle, but granted this is unknown
S – I don’t know how you think we downgraded by picking up 2 FAs with better stats than goldson, who have more experience and have been more consistent
ILB – Bowman for Spikes, based on the end of last year this is a slight downgrade, but one that is better for the long term development of the position. Bowman will be a star.

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Free Agency, so you can't consider Aldon

However, we picked up Applewhite from the Chargers who was a starter last year, and while I didn’t look at his overall play, I’d say it’s a wash. Manny was good as a 2-down OLB, but that’s not what his position called for. We had his replacement on hand before he hit the open market, in either Brooks or Smith.

As for ILB, you’re considering a replacement already on the roster. Let’s not forget that we also signed Grant and Costanzo, who might not be better than Spikes, but both have some experience and add depth and ST contributions.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

We traded LaBoy for Applewhite with the Chargers

Let’s hope it is a wash because they Chargers don’t think it will be.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

LaBoy

LaBoy is a much better pass rusher but can’t stay on the field a whole season. Applewhite also had a DUI charge that he felt led to his release.

by Mukkeluk on Aug 5, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not considering the rookies is not a logical way to evaluate Free Agency

Free Agency should be used to address the team’s needs, if a rookie is there that fills the needs, then this should be taken into account.

Same goes for replacements on the roster, a good Free Agency meets the teams needs, it doesn’t have to blindly replace everyone we let go

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I consider draft picks

but except for Aldon Smith, no draft pick has a chance to start. And to take a sophomore college DE and ask him to stand up and play OLB in the NFL has a long history of taking time to develop. Hope you are right but I think the FO should be and likely has considered the chance we don’t see Aldon Smith’s best performance this year.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

draft picks and depth

The FA signings have to factor in your draft picks being ready in a year or two. Feel like they did this at CB.

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree...

Free Agency should be used to address the team’s needs, if a rookie is there that fills the needs, then this should be taken into account.

We didn’t consider replacing Lawson because we purposely got his replacement in the draft. A lot of people are likely forgetting that for the first time, FA is taking place after the draft. If it was normal FA period, you could say we let Manny go without a suitable replacement and now we have to bank on the draft, which isn’t smart.

You can’t say not signing Manny is a bad move because he’s better than Harrelson, because Harrelson was slated to compete and Manny was not a part of the plan.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

agree

the lockout changes how the FA should be evaluated. Also, I think Brooks, Haralson, Applegate, Grant, Gibson, and the other 3rd tier names will provide aldon and each other with enough competition to make sure the cream rises to the top.

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

might be wrong about this

but I don’t think Goodwin has 9 years of C experience. More like 3 or 4 years at C, or something. Still more than Baas, but it’s a bit of an false comparison. Baas has been in the league for a while too.

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Aug 5, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

but

not really as a starter… and not as a starter on a super bowl winning team… or a pro bowl alternate…

by Takeo33 on Aug 6, 2011 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fooch

It seems you left Jonathan Goodwin off the list of players acquired.

I think he could be one of the best pick up we have to make the line solid with the help of Iupatti, Staley, Davis.

This could be one of our best O-Lines in a very long time..

by Kubes069 on Aug 5, 2011 7:46 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

added him

I had pulled the names from ESPN’s free agent list and they must have forgotten him for some reason.

by David Fucillo on Aug 5, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm..
Jonathan Edwards, C

I think something happened when you were typing in his name under Braylon Edwards…

Unless he’s another center I never heard of lol

by Kubes069 on Aug 5, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

QB

The 9ers still need a viable back QB for helping to mentor Cap, and to challenge Smith for the starting spot. I think Orton would be awesome, or maybe even swing a trade to aquire the backup QB in Tampa who subsiquently already knows some of Harbaughs plays…

by Tuckforce1 on Aug 5, 2011 7:46 AM PDT reply actions  

No

Orton is going to start in Denver. JJ doesn’t necessarily know the offense. And Kaep is challenging Alex plenty at this point.

by See Jay on Aug 5, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

backup QB in Tampa who subsiquently already knows some of Harbaughs plays…

Please explain to me where this comes from. I don’t think Harbaugh ran a WCO at USD and I can almost guarantee that the playbook has changed substantially since 2006.

For everyone who claims Johnson knows the playbook, he absolutely DOES NOT. We need to come back to reality. Watch USD game film from Harbs tenure and then watch Stanford, I’ll bet it’s drastically different.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

trading for a 3rd string QB doesn't make much sense

unless we’re giving up some It’s It’s and a loaf of sourdough.

I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson

by fjm on Aug 5, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

JJ isn't a 3rd string QB

He is at worst a 2nd string with an upside. Sitting behind Freeman means he will never get an opportunity. Sitting behind Alex Smith means he is a guaranteed an opportunity.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the 49ers....

JJ is a 3rd stringer, and he would remain a 3rd string QB all year unless both Kaepernick and Smith are injured. Face it, no QB who comes in is going to take away the #2 spot from Kaep, no matter how much the fans think he isn’t ready.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

From a philosophical position

If Kaepernick plays this year, he will only being doing it because Alex Smith led the team to a losing record or got injured. Either likely means Kaepernick plays sooner than we’d hoped with a developmental QB. If you aren’t a believe in Alex Smith, you should be desiring a stop-gap QB with an upside to prevent throwing Kaepernick to the wolves.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

With the way he's looking in camp

I’m not too sure Kap wouldn’t be the wolf in that scenario.

by Ougadas on Aug 5, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

Well I’m not too sure about ready to go now.

But the command he’s demonstrated of the playbook combined with his arm — if we had to start him I wouldn’t panic. People remember the rookie QBs who start and fail more than they remember the ones who start and succeed — when the truth is that many of the ones who start and fail were going to fail anyway.

by Ougadas on Aug 5, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

ehh

after years of hearing how well players do in camp, I think we can safely conclude that has little bearing on how they perform in in regular season games. If we see it in a pre-season game, I’ll start to feel it.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't even bank on the preseason too much...

He’ll be playing against 2nd string, not starters; and the defenses he faces will be vanilla. Only way to tell is in a real game. He could sit on the bench for two years and learn and still be bad in a regular game situation. Only way you really find out is in a real game.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Pre-season we thought Dixon was a stud.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

We all know Kaepernick is considered a 'project'

but I’m willing to bet the coaches don’t see it as much of a project as we imagine. The team is much more talented than when Smith took over in ’05, or when Stafford or Freeman took over the Lions or Bucs in ’09. Kaepernick has other players to lean on as a rookie, not the other way around.

Despite how bad the team has performed recently, you can’t deny that the offense has a load of talent, with a few question marks mixed in.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

i actually think Kaep would do okay if he was needed...

given Alex’s history of injuries, he probably will be. He’s got targets capable of making plays a la Braylon, Crabtree, VD. On top of that, Frank running the ground game…

by Doni S on Aug 5, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

& I gave the FO a B+…pending season translation

by Doni S on Aug 5, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just don't understand why people

keep saying we need a 3rd QB. Harbaugh can be the 3rd quarterback mentoring Colin. Masoli can be the emergency QB. Or we can get Bulger out of retirement in mid season. I am not too worry about winning or losing next year, not that means I don’t care.

by return222 on Aug 5, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

A

I think you really need to take into consideration what the team is trying to do here when grading them. I would have liked to lock Rogers and Edwards into at least 3-year deals, but they weren’t going to let that happen considering the landscape of free agency for this year and next due to the labor situation.

As for my grade, you can clearly see that the team is in a ‘rebuilding’ phase, though they’ll deny it. But while rebuilding, we haven’t completely torn down the roster like the Seahawks did last year. I think the signings we’ve made puts in a position to win the division and make the playoffs, while giving the young guys experience and the franchise a little cred moving forward that could entice FAs to sign here. Stellar off-season IMO.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 7:50 AM PDT reply actions  

A-

Would have liked to keep Aubrayo, and maybe a bigger splash, but I think Baalke did a solid job in plugging all the major holes in the team.

A little too many 1 year deals for my taste, but maybe that was the FO’s plan

by brundylop on Aug 5, 2011 7:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the 49ers did a great job of adding talent whle getting rid of guys that think they are worth a ton of money.

Franklin ( only one good year…ever) and Goldson ( only one great game ever) just thought they were better than what they really were. They did a great job with the money and leaving room to build next year. With a new Head Coach and a new system in place, and a new (old) owner in Jed, who is willing to spend some money, the 49ers are in a rebuiling stage.

While rebuilding doesn’t need to mean we suck, it does mean that you need to give Baalka and Harbaugh some time to field the players they need to run their system. That means next year too.

I gave it a B-…..would have been an A if Nnamdi signed, but then again, we would have spent so much money that some of the other players might not been signed. If they get a CB with their 1st rounder next year, they will be set at most positions to compete year in and year out with the rest of the leauge.

by ericalancanty on Aug 5, 2011 7:54 AM PDT reply actions  

great commentary. I totally agree.

…but I gave them a B+

I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson

by fjm on Aug 5, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apologies

but saying we made HUGE upgrades to our secondary is an odd comment. We picked up Carr which most objective people would rank below Clements and we picked up Williams at safety who was being run out on a rail in MIN. I think it is pretty clear Goldson has a higher upside at this point in both careers and I am really not sold on Goldson.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

What?

Who is Carr?

Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

by Ougadas on Aug 5, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant Rogers

doesn’t actually affect the substance of my point though

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes it does

asmithisaverage does abelowaverage job of keeping up with information and maybe should read a little bit more before commenting

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Aug 5, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

have you not read the news the past couple days

we picked up Williams as a backup or competitioner for Reggie Smith, Whitner will be starting and he’s a huge upgrade from Goldson. He had 140 tackles last year.

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

140 tackles in Buffalo

I’m more interested in his passive play and athletic ability. I can’t wait to see how he plays with a tackling magnet in front of him doing the dirty work.

by mcwagner on Aug 5, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Forced Fumbles

He has the vision and awareness to sniff out the tackles. I hope he will be looking to pop the ball out while Willis is reliably wrapping up. This is something very interesting, good post.

by mcwagner on Aug 5, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bowman

Bowman seemed to lock a lot of people up as well at the end of last season. If he steps up you’ll have two solid ILBs giving him a number of opportunities to make something happen.

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

You shot yourself in the foot by not even knowing the CB we signed

Rogers is a much better CB than Clements. And with R Smith a better fit at FS than Goldson ever would be, Whitner is an even better SS than Goldson would make. You are severely overrating Goldson.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

whatever

you can argue over an error in names, but no one has Rogers ranked over Clements that isn’t a Niner fan. And no, I don’t overrate Goldson, I don’t even like him as I said.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody?

That’s a big stretch. You are entitled to your opinion, but pretty much every story about the Rogers pickup calls him an improvement to our secondary.

by Ougadas on Aug 5, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt it would matter

Even if we kept Clements at his inflated contract, Rogers would walk in and immediately be #1 on the depth chart. He’s a much better cover corner than Clements.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who is not good in run support

and if he gets burned once he gets burned even more. You can’t teach confidence. If the FO thought Rogers was the long term answer the contract would be for more than a year. Being positive is one thing, but let’s keep it balanced less we have an emotional breakdown when reality strikes.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cornerbacks primary job is not to make tackles on running plays

Yes, he has to do it, but his job is to stop completions. No matter how big or small the difference, Rogers is a better CB than Clements, period.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

i bet you can teach confidence.

you can improve it, certainly.

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Aug 5, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

To the contrary

Asmithisaverage – you need to read this link
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/08/rogers-for-clements-swap-a-good-one-expert-says.html

Jim Harbaugh doesn't just WANT winners, he MAKES them!

by Adusoron on Aug 5, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I respect Cosell but I also can reasonably acknowledge his complete analysis. I also don’t think our safeties can provide major help to cover for our CBs which is originally why the comment about the secondary have a “HUGE” upgrade seemed wrong.

by asmithisaverage on Aug 5, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Voted B

We could still stand for an upgrade at CB, perhaps in the 2012 draft. I’m happy with the players we did acquire, for now. Signing Braylon was a coup IMO and I’m glad he’s here.

All in all, a solid showing……for now. We’ll revisit this scenario during and after the season, I suspect.

by See Jay on Aug 5, 2011 8:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Braylon is the reason I voted B-

I do not think a cancer is a good thing to bring into the locker room for a new coach and a young team. That being said, perhaps Coach now has a guy he can make an “example” out of. At least the contract is one year. I hope Braylon makes me eat my words, but at this stage, I don’t seem him becoming a responsible person (and how are Alex and VD going to react to an attention grabbing diva).

by Da Bum on Aug 5, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

B+

The DL depth still concerns me (unless one of the UDFAs wows in camp).

by UncleHulka on Aug 5, 2011 8:03 AM PDT reply actions  

have faith in ian williams

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like his chances

Plus Tomsula is a great DLine coach

by UncleHulka on Aug 5, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had to vote B

because looking at all the pick ups, I couldn’t give any of them an individual grade over a B. They hit a lot of singles and doubles, but no home runs, if that makes sense. Anyway, they did enough to get most of us stoked about the season. I don’t see a SB team here, but I do see an NFC west winner.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.

by Arkie49er on Aug 5, 2011 8:16 AM PDT reply actions  

B for Baalke as well

Glad hes putting a quality roster together after a slow start to free agency though, impressing me a lot

by yearofthearmadillo on Aug 5, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think depending on perception, you can call Rogers and Goodwin both an A

They may not be huge names that everyone knows, but look at how drastically they’ve upgraded the position from the previous player who held it.

Clements, despite being our best CB last year, had seriously declined in coverage ability. Rogers, though 30, still has wheels and his coverage ability downfield is still among some of the better corners in the league. He may have those stone-hands, but he’s a CB who doesn’t need help over the top on every play. Immediate upgrade to the secondary.

Goodwin, based on experience alone, makes the rest of the line better. Baas may have played well, but it was only one year, while Goodwin is among the top centers in the league. If we can say Heitmann was better than Baas, I think we can put Goodwin right there with Heitmann.

Everyone has their own opinion and perception, but I can easily say that these two are huge upgrades and merit an A, despite not being very “flashy” signings.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh well in that case....

I still give them a B. On account of this is an opinion and all…..

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.

by Arkie49er on Aug 5, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not knocking you....

I believe that those two merit an A. Again, it’s all opinion.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get your point about waiting

but I’d think that we can still evaluate the job he’s done

by brundylop on Aug 5, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well then i give him a ( P ) forputting people painstakingness patient ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Aug 5, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trade Taylor Mays and 2012 3rd round pick for Asante Samuael

Wish Taylor Mays had better lateral movement, a physical freak just to stiff on the hips

by yearofthearmadillo on Aug 5, 2011 8:22 AM PDT reply actions  

haha,,,wish the eagles would agree to that!

I do love your optimism and thinking on that though!

by krs34 on Aug 5, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

voted b

with the contigency that they’re not done yet and dont trade Mays unless someone really good is available.

I think A would be acquiring a top 3 at a need position. Example: nnamdi. Or multiple probowlers..but even that can get iffy because of the popularity thing..

I wanted longer contracts for Rogers and Edwards because next year well be in the same boat, waiting furiously for the niners to sign someone to fill an obvious need.

Outside of that, I suppose they did get “bargains”—but as a fan I could care less about that.

by 11allstar on Aug 5, 2011 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Bargains mean the team has more money to spend elsewhere

so we’re not the Raiders stuck with too much players eating up cap space, unable to sign/keep players like Nnamdi

by brundylop on Aug 5, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

my point is

if Jed saves 10 million its not like he’s lowering ticket prices..I want winners darnit!

by 11allstar on Aug 5, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but the money saved

can be put into more/better players, resulting in a better 49ers team, which is what you and I would like

by brundylop on Aug 5, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

the raiders 8-8 record

would have won our division last year.

by 11allstar on Aug 5, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Edwards and Rodgers perform

I think Baalke would actually extend their contracts midseason if they wanna stay

by yearofthearmadillo on Aug 5, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

you mean

like they did with frank gore?

by 11allstar on Aug 5, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

3rd contract for a RB is rare

He will get it but will probably be 2 year ext

by yearofthearmadillo on Aug 5, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

frank gore

wants to stay and has almost put up more yards than any rb in 49ers history. He hasnt got an extension yet.

So if the niners actually valued these players (edwards and rodgers) as much as fans on ninernation do (crowning them saviors of the season) then they would have signed them to longer deals up front. They dont.

by 11allstar on Aug 5, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Willis and VD got contract extensions rightly so

RBs in the nfl tend to break down after 30 no matter how good they are its fact, Gore has been great no doubt hes been our offense for ever now but the writing is on the wall and we have been lucky considering his injury history in college but its just how the nfl works ill be suprised if they give him more then a 2 year extension not including this season

by yearofthearmadillo on Aug 5, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frank Gore is

theheart and soul of this team. He has been the offense the last four-five years and they’re not extending him?
He’s back from the hip injury, passed the physical and is cutting around in practice..Why havent they extended him?

The cold, calculating business of the NFL. They know he is real close to the wrong side of 30, has an injury history (knees) that is risky. They know the offense plans to run the ball this year. They’re not hedging bets on Gore making it…its sad but they’re hedging their bets on him not making it.

Which is really sad given what he has given to this team. But hey its a business and we’re saving money right?

by 11allstar on Aug 5, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shawn Alexander factor

He got paid big time and then injuries… the life of a RB is brutal…

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by chriscream on Aug 5, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

this is why it was smart for Chris Johnson to demand restructuring his contract. RBs have 7-8 years at the most, they get paid after 4years, not after 8 at the end of their career.

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

voted C

because most of the players who have been brought in to replace others are only arguably better – not clearly better. I’d say Goodwin and Edwards are the only clear upgrades. I was excited about whitner until I read what the Bills blogger had to say. ya he might just be bitter about whitner OR he could be spot on. We won’t know until the season starts. Also, I’m still waiting to see a vet QB be brought in. I’m not trying to see Alex Smith go down with an injury and then Kap thrown into the fire and become alex smithed himself. that is my worst nightmare about this season. Sando has posted the stats about 2nd round QBs and, as excited as I am about Kap, history just isn’t on his side when it comes to stepping in as a starter and succeeding (if it were to come to that).

by PK Broiler on Aug 5, 2011 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

the braylon edwards contract

is a big win. 1 M base. 2.5 in incentives.

Sam Fuld is the more accomplished Major League Hitter- Gordon Wittenmeyer

by dylanj on Aug 5, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Forgot to mention...

NO GUARANTEED MONEY!! What a deal!

by krs34 on Aug 5, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

B-

Lost talent at NT and OLB (yes, I think Manny Lawson is better than anyone we’ve signed).

Upgraded the secondary, but, given our cap room, should have pushed harder to sign Johnathon Joseph, who is both younger and better than Carlos Rogers. Very happy about Braylon Edwards and Goodwin.

Confused and currently disappointed about the Taylor Mays situation. Don’t think we addressed our defensive line that well — not too excited about Soap and Ray.

by Yoshi11 on Aug 5, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Ummmm....
(yes, I think Manny Lawson is better than anyone we’ve signed)

What about Aldon Smith?

by Jesse Reed on Aug 5, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

As do I

but, again, the context of my post implies the statements within it are descriptive of the ‘grade’ I assigned as the subject/header. Therefore, since the grade is itself reflective of the 49ers interaction with free agents, so too are the statements contained therein.

by Yoshi11 on Aug 5, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

And

to be even clearer, because the statements are solely reflective of the 49ers interaction with free agents, the statement, “(yes, I think Manny Lawson is better than anyone we’ve signed)” concerns Aldon Smith as much as it does Jerry Rice or Terrel Owens — that is, not in the slightest.

by Yoshi11 on Aug 5, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think where aldon

is as a rookie is farther than where manny was as a rookie.
We’ll see more when the real fun starts.

by 11allstar on Aug 5, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

aldon

is further along as a rookie than manny is…ever

by Jesse Reed on Aug 5, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

B

I think Joseph was the answer at CB and FB has not been addressed. But they have done a great job despite our foolish cries against patience. Pass the crow, I’m hungry.

by mcwagner on Aug 5, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I know that this isn't a new subject or even on the current subject

but I still cannot for the life of me figure out how in the heck the raiders expect to survive giving a guy like michael huff the huge contract that he got. I hate the raiders, but at this point I feel bad for their fans.

by Jesse Reed on Aug 5, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

A

Getting solid players to fix a DEF that was consistantly getten beaten deep. The O line will be better and we will have schemes that take advantage of our top flight TEs. The only question will be the QB or the QBoTF.

I am truly exicted and I was one like are we going to make SOME type of change. Great step in the right direction.

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by chriscream on Aug 5, 2011 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

B+

Because they spent their money wisely and will still have a ton of cap space next year. We brought in some great talent in Edwards, Whitner, and Goodwin. Prospectively, this may also attract more big-named FAs here if the guys we brought in succeed. I would be extremely happy if Edwards has a good year and we end up signing him to a multi-year deal. Of course he needs to prove he can stay out of trouble though.

CB is still a pressing issue but we will see how the pups turn out. Even if Culliver develops into a great player, we’re still scarce at that position next year. Rogers is on a one-year contract adn I’m not confident in Spencer to improve every year.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 5, 2011 8:44 AM PDT reply actions  

How start M. W. dishing out grades before ANY preseason game begins?

I am thinking of a word that starts with a Mo and ends with a ron. lol

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by chriscream on Aug 5, 2011 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

* can M. W. start....

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by chriscream on Aug 5, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah...seems a little irresponsible to me. Maybe it has to do with the confusion of the FA in general and the fact the Niners were losing players and not gaining any at that time.

Still…very premature to hand out grades but all of us here thought the Niners weren’t doing a thing. I think we were all giving them Fs until a few days ago.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 5, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nah man

I’ve been giving them an A since this started and they avoided doing anything stupid.

And I’ve taken quite a bit of heat for it. =P

by Ougadas on Aug 5, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

how would you have felt if they didn't get the latest guys?

I too felt they should avoid stupidity but to still get quality guys for next year

by mcwagner on Aug 5, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would have felt the same

I don’t mind if they only take one step forward at a time, as long as they don’t take 10 backward.

These great value additions have just been icing on the cake.

by Ougadas on Aug 5, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not too sure on Braylon

A lot of intangibles with him. Goodwin of course was better than we expected, Whitner is too talented to be a bad acquisition and I think he will thrive with tackling every play taken off of his responsibilities. Akers is actually a very solid kicker that I am excited to have.

by mcwagner on Aug 5, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not too sure on Braylon either

But he has potential, and we we get him for peanuts, so if he crashes and burns we’ve lost nothing long term.

by Ougadas on Aug 5, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its definitely about not doing anything dumb

I think thats the key to this – no Clements style contract. If you are going to bring in a Braylon make it a 1 year and you can cut him if he’s an issue off the field , no problem.

by DaveintheUK on Aug 5, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Braylon Edwards expectations...

What kind of numbers does everyone expect from him? I would really like to see him have a good year, stay out of trouble, and sign a multi-year deal.

I’m thinking, if he throws up 1,000+ yards and 7+ TDs, then that would be a great year for him. That’s considering the fact our QB is Alex SMith (for now) and also that we haven’t had a 1,000+ yard receiver since TO. The 7+ TDs, that’s just a low bench mark I’m setting but I think we all would be happy with that at the very least. This is also assuming he isn’t suspended for a ton of games so we may have to pro-rate.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 5, 2011 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

when was the last time...

… we had a 1000yd WR with Alex at the helm? I really don’t know…

by D.P on Aug 5, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alex never produced a WR with 1,000+ yards...

but if you’re talking guys who have done it before:

I think Darrell Jackson had 1,000+ yds with Seattle before joining us,
I think Antonio Bryant has done it before,

That’s really all I can think of on who may have done it. Could b wrong. But if Edwards does turn in a 1,000+, I think we’ll all be wanting a multi-year deal done.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 5, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

isaac bruce

but he was at the end of his career so no one really expected 1000 yards

by reedkrase on Aug 5, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would you be happy with that?

I think, barring him being suspended, he can produce more. Given Crabtree’s injury, the new offense, he can surpass that.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 5, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is more realistic for Edwards....

Unless he becomes Alex’s favorite target very quickly, we can’t forget about VD’s impact and the use of the TE within the system. Honestly, the numbers above are just fine with me for our #1 WR if the ball is being spread around successfully.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Alex will look solid statistically with lots of yardage. Its only the “what are you doing” moments that will hold us back. I too see a lot of high hundreds receivers with Vernon breaking 1000.

by mcwagner on Aug 5, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s Vd’s world, Braylon and Crabs wikll just be visitors in it.

by elijust on Aug 5, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

B+

They shored up the Secondary, which needed it. Losing some of the players they did will hurt a bit for a few weeks as they all learn a) Harbaugh and his playbook, and now b) how to play with each other and know the intricacies of each other.

If they had re-signed a few like La Boy, Franklin and Lawson, the D would have meshed more fluidly through learning the playbook.

I think signing who they did, after what they lost was pretty good, but now we have a shortened pre-season with more added complexities to learn.. so I can’t validate an A or any variable of an A at this point.

They have done very well with contratcs, but with so many 1yr contracts, I hope people don’t just jump ship in the off season, thank the FO for the quick $1-4MM they each make and then tweet how we sucked… I know the shortened negotiation season palyed havoc with longer termed contracts, but still… some teams still manaeged 3-6 yr contracts…. Overall, very happy though.

by D.P on Aug 5, 2011 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

We got some young CBs

Let’s not forget that! Even the Packers had a UDFA that came on during the playoffs. I am ready from football.

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by chriscream on Aug 5, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

B+

We should have gotten Joseph. I would have like to resign Manny and have him across from Aldon, best of both world blitz and coverage. As for the rest of the signings we did excellent. Edwards and Goodwin are potential Pro Bowlers at their positions and Whitner is a great tackler to put behind uor front seven. Rogers isn’t shutdown but extrenely solid and Williams is a great rotational safety, not a great starter though.

by elijust on Aug 5, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh yeah, I wouldn’t shed any tears if Spencer and Haralson get the axe both are more money than they’re worth. While they’re axing why not drop Delanie Walker and try to sign Kevin
Boss

by elijust on Aug 5, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boss is too slow anyways

Delanie will be used for his specialty, a big fast guy. He will be used to mismatch. That will force over teams to adjust to him or risk leaving him open for a big catch or lucky drop.

by mcwagner on Aug 5, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grading now is so very much subject to personal biases...

It’s like grading how you did on the final before you have even sat for it.

I went with B-

I figure a straight C would mean average and I think at face value you can argue the Niners managed better than average. I think beyond that we really need to sit back and see how it all plays out. We know so little about the new staff and exactly what they will be doing and how they will actually use everyone, I just think there are too many questions (but with a LOT of optimism)…

by ColoradoNiner on Aug 5, 2011 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

@Asmithisaverage

I posted this above, but I don’t know if it will get lost in the comment stream. You stated that “no one” thinks Carlos Rogers was an upgrade from Clements. The link below says otherwise….

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/08/rogers-for-clements-swap-a-good-one-expert-says.html

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by Adusoron on Aug 5, 2011 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

A-

To me it seems that over the last few seasons the team only changed bit-by-bit hoping that draft picks would solve most answers. Darrell Jackson, Isaac Bruce, and Brian Westbrook were never going to change the team. They were just fillers.
I’m giving them a high grade because the team hasn’t won in years and needed to change. Edwards, Whitner, Goodwin, and Rogers are all players that make a team better. It’s almost like the FO is admitting that the last five or six years didn’t work. That’s refreshing.

by MATTCW on Aug 5, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s almost like the FO is admitting that the last five or six years didn’t work. That’s refreshing.

No reason they shouldn’t. Even last year, it wasn’t Baalke’s draft, it was Singletary’s which was built by McC when he bombed at the office late at night.

by 9thevolution on Aug 5, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

A-

Cannot give a straight A because of the loss of Takeo Spikes. I do understand that giving a 35 year old LB a three million dollar contract makes little sense, but that was hard to swallow.

The 49ers pretty much upgraded at every other position during free agency. Whitner is a major upgrade over whoever the 49ers had at the safety position. He will help out a lot in the run game, can move over to FS if needed and has even played slot corner. Williams is a better cover man than Goldson or Mays (whatever happens to him). Also, Carlos Rogers is a major upgrade over Clements in terms of coverage, which was a glaring issue for the 49ers secondary.

The huge upgrades have come with the two moves on the offensive side of the ball. Goodwin is a major upgrade from Baas, has a winning history and is a leader a long the offensive line. Doesn’t hurt that he made the Pro Bowl in 2009 and was an alternate in 2010. Edwards is better than any receiver on the roster and gives Smith that big down field threat SF ha been missing since TO left.

Huge off-season moves so far for San Francisco

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 5, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

who are the 15 votes for F??

so i can slap you upside the head…

by Doni S on Aug 5, 2011 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

A

For a first-time general manager, Baalke is playing it like a veteran. Picking up numerous top tier players on fantastic contracts. I think he nailed the contract lengths on the head as well. Goodwin- Reliable, top-notch Center gets a three year deal.
Edwards- Questionable character, he must earn a future big-time contract.
Rogers- We don’t exactly know where our corners will be in a season from now, so I see the one-year contract as perfectly acceptable, although I would’ve been fine with more also.
Whitner- Young, highly talented safety—three-year deal a no-brainer in my view.
Baalke played FA brilliantly—Injecting serious talent on both sides of the ball, while engineering highly favorable contracts for every pickup. Atta boy, Funkhaus.. I mean Trent!

by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 5, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

D+

Team did not improve through free agency.

Significantly Worse

Franklin – for all this talk (bs) about scheme Franklin went to multiple a schemed (4-3, 3-4) defensive coordinator (Gregg Williams) who likes to blitz the hell out of people, and is very good at it. If Franklin can fit in Williams scheme than the 49ers personnel department made a horrendous mistake. Williams is so confident he got a steal in Franklin he said “Willis will be crying in his milk”.

Lawson – head and shoulders above any OLB lined opposite of A. Smith. Again I don’t understand how a personnel department justifies this. They let their 2nd best OLB (by far) walk for a modest price when could have instead cut off the other dead weight (Haralson, Brooks). Manny is very good against the run and best covering OLB in the NFL. Haralson is an absolute liability against outside edge runners, screen passes, tackles in open field and barely a better pass rusher than Lawson. Brooks was effing terrible last season. He was a yellow flag and free deep throw for the offense and doesn’t know his assignments. The rest is unproven or worse than mediocre.

Spikes – although he has good replacement already on the roster, three good ILB was real roster luxury. If Willis or Bowman get banged up the next guy off the bench is a serious downgrade. I understand why the 49ers couldn’t resign him, why he didn’t want to come back, but his loss is a sum negative for the roster.

About the Same

Rodgers/Clements – are equals values. Both have some talent, both have some faults. Either of these two could have a better 2011 season but its a stretch call either an obvious upgrade over the other.

Goodwin/Baas – A guy who played better in 2009 but got his recognition in 2010. He is an average center who is a little better at pass blocking than Baas. The trade off is Goodwin is at the end of his career while Baas just entering his peak years. Might play similar this season but Baas will have the better next three years.

Whitner/Goldson – Whitner an obvious upgrade at strong safety, he is a solid player. Its a draw because the 49ers are losing their starting FS Goldson, who himself was a solid player. Again can make a million excuses why Goldson isn’t returning to the 49ers but the bottom line is he a loss to the roster and Madieu Williams is a poor replacement. Overall the secondary doesn’t look any stronger on paper, it’s just different.

Upgrades

Akers – he is a good kicker and was tired of trying squeeze more miles out of a broken down Nedney. Its an upgrade but the impact here is limited.

Edwards – He is an upgrade in talent and production but he’ll fail this team in its most crucial moments … he always has. He also might be suspended early in the season so can’t even be a sub while Crabtree is missing. For this the 49ers are likely to start off the season 0-2 costing the team two of their easier games. Trust when I say all those praising him now will end up questioning him more than me by the end of the season.

The Rest

Is fodder

Doesn’t mean the season is lost. The entire season comes down to whether either Aldon Smith or Colin Kaepernick are franchise changers. The free agent class is window dressing, in some cases cheap, questionable as why the 49ers went cheap window dressing.

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by bignerd on Aug 5, 2011 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

What makes you say Goodwin is at the end of his career?

They have given him a three year contract, so they must feel he is still in good shape, no? Also, I think Reggie will be a much better FS than Goldson. I think Goldson could be solid at SS but Whitner is definitely an upgrade, and I have seen Goldson get burned too many times to call him a solid safety. When it comes to the linebackers, none of us know what Fangio is looking to get out of his linebackers so I think it is unfair to judge who they decide to retain.

by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 5, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

So your counter arguements

a) You have no experience watching Whitner get beat in coverage.
b) You have no right to judge if you judge negatively. Take you “Fangio judge” line and reply it to every comment here cause none of them know what Fangio is looking for in linebackers either.

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by bignerd on Aug 5, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

counter arguments*

a) Correct, I am not an avid watcher of Bills football. I was assuming Whitner would be playing SS, where coverage is not paramount. However, I also was basing my statements on the post yesterday in which a Buffalo blogger stated “I’ve thought for years that he belonged in centerfield as a free safety. He’s much, much better surveying and making plays coming forward than he is in the box, because he’s not a very big guy.” I also have advocated Reggie Smith as the starting FS, which I feel would be an upgrade over Goldson. This is simply my personal belief.
b) Exactly. No one has the right to judge the fact that Manny was not retained, because no one knows how Vic Fangio utilizes the OLB in his scheme. Perhaps he doesn’t emphasize the use of the OLB in coverage, which is Manny’s strongsuit. I simply don’t know, so I will reserve judgment on that.
Lastly, I am still curious as to why you believe Goodwin is at the end of his career? At the age of 32, he has started the last two full seasons for the Saints, showing no signs of breaking down. Is 32 particularly old for a center? I really don’t know.

by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 5, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

B+

I was critical initially of the patience plan but I think they’ve played this FA really well. My only concern is the UDFA – I think they could have done a bit better there at QB and OLB.

by SydneyNiner on Aug 5, 2011 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

b+ for a lot of people LOL

you’re that confident in Alex Smith? or are you guys assuming he’ll be out of job by game 2? LOL

by Aazoba Yuzuki on Aug 5, 2011 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Mays-Samuel

I think this would be perfect. A.S. wants out and T.M. could help at the Saftey position the Eagles need and we can use A.S. right away to bolster out weak cornerback situation.

by IrishBlu on Aug 6, 2011 2:45 AM PDT reply actions  

P.S.

I gave them a C-. The main reason I didn’t go higher??? 2 words Alex Smith. I don’t understand the thinking behind that at all. Hell, I thjnk its high time he gets the boot and we give ol’ Nate Davis a shot until Colin is ready to run tbe show. There’s NO WAY he could be any worse. I know people who absolutly hate us, and they think Alex should’ve been gone LONG ago. I’ve had my eye on C.K. since his sophmore year. The kid can flat out play, and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if he’s not onlt starting, but winning games by week 6. Alex Smith should be arrested for robbery and the FO all should be checked jn to an asylum for, not just this contract, but the second one they gave him. GO HOME ALEX, NO ONE LIKES YOU OR WANTS YOU AROUND ANYMORE!!!!!!

by IrishBlu on Aug 6, 2011 2:58 AM PDT reply actions  

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