Carlos Rogers: A Washington Redskins Blogger Perspective
by David Fucillo on Aug 5, 2011 11:15 AM PDT
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PrintYesterday we started what will be a brief series of posts looking at the 49ers free agent acquisitions through the eyes of their previous team. Yesterday, Buffalo Rumblings blogger Brian Galliford provided some thoughts on new 49ers safety Donte Whitner. Today, we have Kevin Ewoldt of Hogs Haven chiming in on new 49ers cornerback Carlos Rogers.
It's safe to say Kevin really liked what Carlos Rogers brought to the table for the Redskins. The biggest complaint about Rogers seems to be his inability to hang on to interceptions. While it would be incredibly disappointing to have a dropped interception be followed by an eventual touchdown, there are worse things in the world than having your cornerbacks actually in a position to make said interception.
I'm not sure what to make of Rogers at this point. Pro Football Focus has a breakdown of percentage of receptions completed into a given player's coverage. I'm operating under the assumption that is basically completion percentage on passes to that player's coverage. Without actual coach's film I don't really know how accurate the stat can be but I'll post it for you to do with what you will. According to PFF the % is 69.4%, which is 13th worst on their rankings.
Taken at face value, I'd say that's not a good thing. However, based on Kevin's comments after the jump, one could always find a hole in that statistic. Kevin points to Rogers' value with a solid pass rush. The completion percentage against a player is a pretty basic stat that doesn't reflect things like pass rush support and whether the player is getting support over the top. That's not to say it makes Rogers and infinitely better receiver, but it might add some context to the stats.
Fans tend to only remember the very highs and very lows of a player....typically the ones in the replays on news. For Carlos Rogers, that's always a dropped interception. They guy has stone hands and has dropped 2 INTs I can think of off-hand that would have sealed a game, but instead led the opposing team to continue a drive and score.
But to football fans that know football, Carlos is an outstanding corner cover. Rogers was consistently facing #1 opposing WRs for the Redskins...not DeAngelo Hall. Rogers is also one of the better tackling corners you'll see. He's not afraid to get physical and he takes great angles on rushes to his side. The Redskins had a horrible defensive line last year, so when Carlos couldn't convert turnovers, he took a lot of the blame. The truth is, if you have a strong pass rush, Carlos can essentially take away half the field.
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A quick perusal of Hogs Haven
tended to be filled with angry people saying stuff like “I’m glad Carlos is gone. That whiny * complained all the time.”
What complaining are the fans referring to?
What's wrong with Snyder?
I’ve always read that he has a bad reputation, but he seems to spend the big bucks so I don’t think it’s a Donald Sterling type of thing, is it?
Oh he spends money.
He just doesn’t trust his scouting department, falls in love with players, and pays them ridiculous sums of money without having any semblance of a plan.
Now that I think about it, if you can stand the constant losing he’s probably a pretty good owner to play for.
As an owner,
he is an overstepping megalomaniac… think Jerry Jones… only with even less football IQ
by Sigelvictory on Aug 5, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's the ultimate guide to all things Dan Snyder
And he’s suing the paper for it. They stand by their reporting: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder/
As a Redskins fan
Carlos is by far a pretty good CB, that’ll frustrate the masses is when he cannot grab int’s that seems like the ball is asking for him to catch it.
Alot of complaints came about from him about how the FO disrespects him and not being ‘paid’ and nice sum of money (see Dan Snyder and his extravagant spending of the past). Furthermore once Shanahan stepped in (and his influence) that was pretty the straw that broke the camels back, also include that he wasn’t going to get paid once this new CBA would take into effect.
Again what he’ll provide on the field is a persistant cover corner (but less int’s) against the no.# 1 WR from time to time. I believe it was a good change of scenery for him and the skins organization (b/c right now the skins is going into the youth movement as well).
My bar for CB is set pretty low right now. I had high expectations for Clements to shut down the #1 WR on teams only to be diappointed in watching him get burned.
If Carlos can simply cover his guy, limit the receptions, help in run support, and break up some passes, I think i’d be pleased.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 5, 2011 11:20 AM PDT reply actions
Cromartie...
i was listening to NFL radio today where they were interviewing Cromartie and he said he had narrowed the teams he was going to sign with down to the Jets, 49ers, Raiders and Bengals. His first priority was to be on a winning team. He even said the Jets offer wasnt the highest offer. So Im guessing if Asomugha signed with the Jets, Cromartie would be a 49er. Ah well!!
Still don't get how the Raiders think they can sign anyone when they're over the cap by so much.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Aug 5, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently they arent over the cap. They restructured deals with Routt, Seymour and Wimbley to get under
so they will probably just be even more over the cap next year... LOL
they need to re-do DHB’s contract… brutal. Oh, and they should probably do something about the one Huff just signed the other day… lol. I want to swim in a pool filled with the tears of Raider fans.
by Sigelvictory on Aug 5, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be sweet
I’d be happy to have Carlos and Cromartie in there, let Culliver develop at the Nickle.
In Jed We Trust?
Context is everything...
Skins fans have seen Rogers for a long time, and he’s underperformed in their eyes based on draft status; very similar to our perceptions of Alex Smith, Pre-2009 Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Michael Crabtree. Because of this, there will always be some bitterness in their eyes toward a player like this.
Let’s all just take a minute and think about this phrase: “Someone else’s trash is another mans treasure.”
I’d say this is a perfect assessment of what we could see out of Rogers and other players we’ve acquired. Think of the players who have flopped out and went to another team only to resurrect themselves and have a good/solid career. The two most recent examples are Mike Williams (Seahawks) and Cedric Benson. Both of these players are younger than Rogers, but both went to a new team and found success on the field.
Considering our poor play at CB (minus Clements’ first year here and Spencer in ’09), Rogers is almost guaranteed not to disappoint. He may not be as good in run support as Clements, but his coverage is leagues ahead of what we saw last year, and that will make us all happy.
Having watched this guy
I was really excited to have landed him. The value is tremendous compared to the pricetag for someone like Nnamdi. The one drawback, as stated, is should-be interceptions are going to be just passes defensed. However, at least he has the ability to get there. He will drop more INTs this year than last years entire defensive backfield generated… I can live with that. (exaggerating of course)
your name reminds me of singletary
and how he wasted so much of our time :(
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
by goatfather on Aug 5, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ouch...
for that I am truly sorry… The two are totally unrelated, I assure you.
by Sigelvictory on Aug 5, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
lol it's cool
when we are better this year It won’t hurt anymore
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
everytime i've been hopeful about the 49ers
they’ve punched me in the stomache.
I don’t know why I keep coming back
Posted this previously...
…but not sure if folks saw it.
One useful metric for evaluating CBs is Success Rate (i.e., the percentage of passes that don’t manage to get at least 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent of needed yards on second down, or 100 percent of needed yards on third down). Here are Carlos Rogers’s Adjusted Success Rates for the past three years (rank in parenthesis):
2010: 51% (48th)
2009: 47% (61st)
2008: 58% (15th)
Assuming 2009 was an outlier due to injury, I think this is a solid pick-up, particularly if he approaches anything like his 2008 form.
as others have said...
does this take into account the effectiveness of the rest of the defense, such as passrush?
by Sigelvictory on Aug 5, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
even last year
can be a bit misleading… remember that they had a new staff, and a new defensive scheme that may or may not have been effective in utilizing his skill set.
by Sigelvictory on Aug 5, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
interesting measure
i wanted to see the completion percentage list that fooch had originally cited..
Itd be interesting so see who their top 10 is on that list..
As with all players..this is a brand new year and well see how he does.
hmmm
Isn’t 2008 the outlier there? 47% is closer to 51% than 58%. Additionally, 2008 is further away and so should be less relevant.
Just saying.
an outlier
might be the correct term if the sampling size was larger..say 8 years.
I think Bigmouth means 2009 is not a valid year to consider in this sample because of injury…
that would leave two years 2010 and 2008 as data sets to compare..as such we hope rogers improves on his 2010 stats closer to his 2008 stats.
This morning I realized I was sad because there hasn't been any new news since Braylon's signing.
This week has spoiled me.
Its the calm AFTER the storm
SF will make some more moves before the game against New Orleans, but they probably wont be anything of great significance
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"I am our future, forget Kory"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 5, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Same here
was pretty crazy. Back to normal
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 5, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, just saw this article on the front page of Yahoo, blasting Trent Baalke for the Mays e-mail.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/49ers-e-mailed-every-NFL-team-to-try-and-trade-T?urn=nfl-wp4598
I dunno how I feel about the situation. I think it sucks, but it doesn’t seem like it would be completely out of the ordinary to alert every team of a players availability via e-mail. Kinda funny how a lot of people are commenting about how awful the front office is LOL.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 5, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
And the teaser on the front page was "49ers' humiliating trade tactic"- extreme much?
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 5, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
i think they
call higher ups in organizations with that positional need and have discreet talks..definitely something got leaked..
As he now works in PR no wonder
they are getting slammed.
They don't call every team one by one
Usually it is leaked to the media, and then the conversations take place. However, this seems like a better way to ago about it by using the media as the middle man. However, someone within those other 31 front office had to have leaked it to the media
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 5, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Could ESPN be pissed it wasnt "filed" through them first
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
To be brutally honest
Drew, David, Ninja, Tre9er and all the other FP writers here, including myself, probably write better content than most of the “reporters”. That is sad because we are just bloggers LOL
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 5, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I have noticed that a lot of Yahoo articles are complete garbage.
It’s just too bad they have to rumor monger to and audience that probably doesn’t know any better.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Aug 5, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He's actually worse when he writes for Yahoo's tennis blog.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
I was going to post this same thing...
The guy is a douche and never writes anything seriously relevant. His opinion, and that’s exactly what he’s posting, means absolutely nothing.
Did you hear Schefter or Clayton or anyone else “blasting” the Niners for doing it this way? Somehow I don’t think it’s a big deal. Simply put, by doing this they have the potential to increase the value they get, not decrease it. No one is going to know exactly what type of offers they got, so the teams who have inquired aren’t going to start offering less than they previously would have.
Seriously,
of the comments on his articles are by sports fans wanting him fired because he writes crap no one cares about, wrapped up in titles that seems interesting. The guys critiques tennis fashion half the time… move along, nothing to see here.
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