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49ers Training Camp Position Battles: The Safeties

Over the next few days I am going to be taking a look at position battles in 49ers camp. Most of the starting positions are locked in at this point, but that doesn't mean that there wont be substantial competition for reserve roles. Today, I am going to take a look at a position that promises to top that competition; the safety position. 

It is surprising that the 49ers safety position, one of their weakest over the course of the last few seasons, is shaping to be one of their deepest in 2011. A combination of free agent acquisitions and draft picks has enabled San Francisco to find upgrade here.

This also means that there promises to be a lot of competition in regards to the positing, starting with Friday's preseason opener against the New Orleans Saints.

Star-divide

Over the last couple of weeks this position has taken a turn, then another turn, and yesterday yet another turn. Dashon Goldson, who appeared all but gone, re-signed with San Francisco. His replacement for the free safety position, Reggie Smith, went down with an injury and is expected to miss at least a month. Oh, and Taylor Mays is still on the trading block. This follows a hectic one week period in which the 49ers added Donte Whitner and Madieu Williams to the mix. So, where do they all stack up?


Strong Safety: Donte Whitner: 16 Games, 16 Starts, 140 Tackles, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT, 7 Passes Defended

Whitner has been the vocal leader of the Buffalo Bills defense for the last five seasons. In 2009, the former Ohio State standout took over play calling duties, like most strong safeties do. Whitner improved a great deal in pass coverage, but that is still seen as a liability. This isn't that big of a deal considering that strong safeties in the 3-4 scheme tend to play close to the line of scrimmage and utilize their skills to be all over the place on defense.

You can expect Whitner to take over the leadership void left by Takeo Spikes when he signed with San Diego. He is an extremely victorious individual and doesn't just lead be example. This is something that San Francisco desperately needed heading into the 2011 season.

You can also expect Whitner to be more in his comfort zone this season. On more than one occasion, he has stated that this type of defense fits his skill set more than the Tampa 2 the Bills ran. I indicated a few months ago that the 49ers defense would look more like the schemes in Pittsburgh and Green Bay; Whitner reiterated this when speaking to the media over the weekend.

This type of scheme is going to fit his skills a great deal and you can expect to hear his name called a lot on Sunday's. It goes without saying that Whitner will start, and excel at strong safety this season.


Free Safety: Dashon Goldson: 16 Games, 80 Tackles, 1 INT, 1 Sack, 1 TD, 5 Passes Defended

It is foolhardy to believe that Reggie Smith, the 49ers "starting free safety" will be back by opening day, so the job falls into the lap of Goldson; who wasn't even on this team 48 hours ago. Goldson struggled a great deal in coverage last season. He was burnt way too much, took bad angles on coverage and was caught out of position a lot. However, Goldson still has incredible upside to go a long with that talent.

He is just two years removed from playing at a top tier level and working with guru, Ed Donatell, could help a great deal in fixing those coverage issue. Goldson's skill set fits the strong safety position much more than it does the free safety position, so it could be concluded he will be playing out of position. That said, if the 49ers are able to fix those coverage issues, this could be a nice little safety tandem. If not, you are looking at to similar players starting opposite one another until Smith returns to full strength. As it is, San Francisco only committed a one year contract to a player that seemed like he was going to get a big pay day.

 

Free Safety: Reggie Smith 16 Games, 42 Tackles, 1 INT, 4 Passes Defended

Before getting injured over the weekend, Reggie Smith was a standout of the 49ers camp. Unofficially he led all 49er defensive players in interceptions and was all over the field. You couldn't read a report on training camp without hearing Smith's name called. In fact, it became apparent that he had the free safety position already locked up. However, an injury to his meniscus muscle seemed to have ended what could be considered a breakout camp for Smith.

But, lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Smith, who is still only 24, couldn't beat out Dashon Goldson last season and had his own issues with coverage. It seems that he has improved those coverage issues over the off-season and during camp. When healthy, Smith was challenge Goldson for the free safety position because he is more of a natural at that position.

Smith is still incredibly young and has a tremendous amount of upside. I look forward to watching him once he returns from injury and moving forward in 2011.

 

Back Up Positions

Madieu Williams: 14 Games, 75 Tackles, 1 FF, 1 INT, 2 Passes Defended

During the 2007 off-season, Madieu Williams was the most sought after safety in the free agent market. He was just two year removed from an all-pro type season that saw him record 90 tackles, 3 INT and a whopping 13 passes defended from the free safety position. Shortly after signing a 6 year- 33 million dollar contract with the Minnesota Vikings, Williams injured his neck on a freak play and has never been the same type of player.

Viking fans continued to be frustrated by Williams coverage liability in 2010, which was probably his worse season as a pro. He was continually burned and, much like Goldson, took horrible angles in pass coverage.

This was a low risk, high reward type of signing for the 49ers. Williams will be making the veteran minimum in 2010 and can step in as a spot starter if needed. There is also a possibility that he regains pre-injury form, which would only make San Francisco's safety position that much better. I will go against the grain here and predict that Williams is a lock to make the roster


Taylor Mays: 38 Tackles, 1 FF, 2 Passes Defended

By now, it is pretty apparent that Mays is on the trading block, but the reason why he fell out of favor in San Francisco seems to be a mystery. A couple years ago the former USC start was destined to be a top ten pick, however, that never came to fruition. Instead, he fell onto the 49ers lap in the 2nd round of the 2010 draft.

It didn't take long for Mays to break the starting lineup his rookie season, but it took a shorter amount of time for him to fall down on the depth chart. There were issues in regards to his coverage ability and understanding of offensive schemes; two things that rookie safeties tend to struggle with. Once Jim Harbaugh was hired it seems that Mays fit into San Francisco's future plans as an up-and-coming defensive back. Then, last week it all took a bizarre turn. The 49ers sent a mass email out to the other 31 teams stating that Mays was available via trade. The same day San Francisco signed Donte Whitner, which at the time seemed to end Mays' career with the 49ers.

To date he remains on the roster and has been extremely impressive over the last couple days of camp. Safety competition has gotten increasingly more difficult with the aforementioned addition of Whitner and San Francisco's retention of free agent, Dashon Goldson.

Where does Mays fit in? I doubt very much that San Francisco will outright release Mays, but it seems like a strong possibility that he will be traded. There are a number of teams that seem interested in his services, and we will see what happens moving forward. If Mays sticks with San Francisco you will see him as the third safety off the bench and a special teams player. Not much value for a 2nd round pick from last years draft.

 

Chris Maragos: A former walk on at Wisconsin, Margagos has impressed 49er personnel with his ability to not only play special teams but contribute on the defensive side of the ball. He finally got a chance to see action in an NFL game towards the end of the 2010 season and recorded a couple of tackles in three games.

He isn't the most athletically gifted player in the league, but Maragos brings intensity and strength to the position. I am sure that the 49ers will think long and hard about keeping him as the 5th safety in 2011.

 

C.J. Spillman: He played in all 16 games for two teams last season and was a special teams standout. Spillman was extremely solid in punt coverage and gave San Francisco a threat in that part of the game. During camp he has been running with the first team defense, which is a testament to his improved play on defense. 

The 49ers are looking for backups that are extremely strong in special teams and Spillman brings that to the table. I fully expect the coaching staff to give him ample opportunity on defense to see if he can improve in that aspect. If so, it would seem that Spillman will make the 53 man roster.

 

Curtis Taylor: The complete opposite of Spillman, Taylor has the athletic ability and build to be a real good safety in the NFL. However, he has yet to put it together on a consistent basis on defense and time might be running out. The 49ers safety position is extremely deep right now, so Taylor may be the odd man out. He doesn't have an time left on the practice squad, which means that if Taylor doesn't make the 53 he is likely gone all together. This is going to be an important camp for Taylor, but you are looking at him being a long shot to make the roster.

 

Colin Jones: A special team stud, Jones may just make the roster because of his ability to cover kicks and punts. If San Francisco decides on keeping six safeties, he will probably make the 53 man roster. If not, you are looking at a practice squad candidate. Harbaugh and company will give Jones an extensive look during preseason games in order for him to prove that he can play defense at the next level. 

Analysis: At this point it would seem that Whitner, Goldson, Smith, Williams and Spillman will probably have spots on the 53 man roster. If San Francisco decides to only keep five safeties, the rest are out of luck. If they decide to keep six then you have four players fighting for one spot; talk about competition. 

The wildcard in this situation is Taylor Mays, who is on the trade block. If he is traded, that will possibly open up a spot for Colin Jones, Chris Maragos or Curtis Taylor; if not, it is hard to imagine San Francisco releasing Mays outright. 

That said, the 49ers are in a great position at safety, which is something we haven't been able to say for the last few seasons. A couple talented players are going to get cut and catch on with some other team. This is a testament to the talent at this position. 

 

My Safety Depth Chart

1. Donte Whitner

2. Dashon Goldson

3. Reggie Smith

4. Madieu Williams

5. C.J. Spillman

6. Chris Maragos

7. Taylor Mays

8. Colin Jones

9. Curtis Taylor

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I'm concerned about the 49ers obsession for Safeties

If we sign too many more safeties I’m demanding an intervention.

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by Pat Willie on Aug 9, 2011 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

9 safeties is not nearly enough.

And in case we don’t have enough… Culliver has played some safety too.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 9, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that depth chart is about right

except Mays may be beneath all of them because he seems to have little-to-no value on defense, just special teams.

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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mays is probably going to get some time on 2nd team in the preseason to bring his stock up

They gotta increase his value at least a little or else we aren’t getting anything for him.

by 9thevolution on Aug 9, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure if this is common practice

but if we do see that Whitner in coverage is not his strong suit, on passing 3rd downs would we see some combination of Smith/Goldson/Williams on the field instead? Thats where our depth will truly shine, if we can have two centerfielders with some previous CB experience to come in and not have to worry about Whitner getting exposed by a TE or 4th WR

by Rep the Bay on Aug 9, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Confused
He is an extremely victorious individual

Who are you talking about? Whitner played with the Bills and TKO has never made the playoffs before. Neither are victorious, let alone “extremely victorious”

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

So by that definition...

Whitner, as a player, is akin to “aspiring singer Tori Vega, portrayed by Victoria Justice, who attends a performing arts high school called Hollywood Arts, while getting into screwball situations on a daily basis”?

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Aug 9, 2011 11:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Indeed so.

with the 2 minor exceptions of screwball situations on weekly, not daily basis, and that his job is to pummel other 200 pound men instead of perform onstage in high school. Let us wish him the best of luck.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Goldson
I was expecting a crowd of like 2k to be at airport welcoming me like buffalo did T.O…. Lol wasup wit tht

Uhh…….

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

This guy's arrogance is unbelievable....

If he was half as good as he thinks he is, he might have been an alternate in the Pro Bowl

by 9thevolution on Aug 9, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

if he was half has good as he thought he would have signed a long term deal with another team.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 9, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's TOO in touch with the fans

guy needs to put the Twitter down and focus on his playbook, his game, teammates, etc. Sign autographs, send an occasional boring athlete-esque tweet, but stop defining yourself via social media

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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that is his best bet.

Drew Rosenhaus needs a “disable” button for ALL his clients.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 10, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

ALL his clients media sources…phones, laptops, twitter, facebook, etc… any of it.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 10, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

You might be right Fooch but

considering his ego, wouldn’t that be kinda hard to tell?

by Doni S on Aug 9, 2011 11:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

well...

I suppose sarcasm could be hard to figure out, but it seems so over the top I don’t see how it is anything but unless he’s completely delusional. I personally don’t think he’s delusional.

by David Fucillo on Aug 9, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

But delusional nonetheless...

hiring Rosenhaus as his agent & thinking he was worth the big bucks elsewhere. & we all know who won there…

by Doni S on Aug 9, 2011 11:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

just to make that joke is kinda half-serious about his following, though

otherwise the joke would make no sense, have no relevance whatsoever

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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah man

I don’t think that’s case. Sounds like a joke to me, especially considering the twitter battles he was having with fans. And besides, just because he overvalued himself and seemed a little butt-hurt that SF didn’t come clamoring after him for his services doesn’t make him insanely egotistical.

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by dutra on Aug 9, 2011 11:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

sounds like a joke to me too

as hurt as he may have been over SF, he did come back, could of taken the vet min and gone elsewhere if he really felt spurned.

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see him prove that he really does belong here with a new/big contract

This is the year, with good/great coaching for him to excel

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 9, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol I saw that too.

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by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 11:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

only thing he saw was crickets......

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Aug 9, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

shoulda replied

We were all at PRACTICE watching the players who didn’t wait for 2 weeks for MORE MONEY.

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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's up with that

is he’s a douchebag. Incredible.

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by See Jay on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reggie Smith's Injury.....

It’s not a muscle, its cartilage found between two of major bones comprised of the knee (the tibia & femur). As explained in a previous post, meniscus is sort like “the shock absorber found in your car.” So basically they have to go into the knee & remove foriegn particles or cut/“scope” out parts of the cartilage.

However, an injury to his meniscus muscle

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 9, 2011 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

*two of the three major bones comprised of the knee

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 9, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

sheesh

I bet fake-Fooch wouldn’t have made that mistake…

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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

or maybe evil fooch came back from the ban to sabatoge the post

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt, just trying to help

so we all get a clearer understanding of the type of injury the team is assessing

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 9, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taylor Mays

Should we really give up on him after just one year?Especially when none of the db’s played exceptionally well last year.

Personally i think we should hold onto him.

by h0ckeysk83r on Aug 9, 2011 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Agree

Trading him is ridiculous at this point

by mrg80 on Aug 9, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on what we can get for him

if some other team were deluded enough to offer a 1st or 2nd rounder (it’s not gonna happen) why not?

It’s a matter of what trade value we might get in return. But in all likelihood, it’s probably best to just keep him.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it was more that teams were asking about Mays.. so they put the email out that he was available.

But, that doesn’t mean they don’t want him if he can show he belongs.. I bet he gets his opportunities in this preseason… and could surprise a lot of people..

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 9, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's personal, definitely not professional

Very difficult to believe it’s based on a fair assessment. When camp began the guy was stuck with the last string D as the FO aggressively tried to sign any/every safety on the market.

It’s pretty clear there’s a backstory here that we’re not hearing. Maybe Mays p-d off Harbaugh when Stanford was playing SC? Maybe Baalke wants to get rid of the guy Sing overruled him on last year, as according to some accounts him and Sing were seen arguing during the second round of last year’s draft. Who knows?

One thing’s for sure, they have gone out of the way to humiliate the guy, indiscreetly peddling him, demoting him to the bottom of the deep depth chart, sounding bemused by questions about his potential to play LB, etc. This is not exactly the strategy one follows when one is trying to extract value by trade. More like when one is prosecuting a vendetta.

Pursuant to that, I’ll wager they’re going to end up trading him for a ham sandwich or, more likely, cutting him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t make it to final cuts. And frankly, that’s a pretty unusual level of vindictiveness, even for the NFL. Strange.

by BKisforSF on Aug 9, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i couldn't agree more

it makes absolutely no sense what they’ve done with him, and i’ve been dying to know what is really going on behind the scenes

do you live in brooklyn?? big group of niner fans at mullhullands every game!

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by brooklyn49er on Aug 10, 2011 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way he's worth a 2nd or 3rd.

We won’t get that in a million years. We’d get a 5th at best. Probably a 6th.

by Odekerk on Aug 9, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's better than a 5th or 6th round pick

if we can’t get a third then we should make room for him on the roster

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't believe all the Taylor Mays haters.

Let’s examine the stats for our three main safeties last year

Goldson 6’2" 200lbs
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck PDef Int Yds TDs FF
16 16 80 62 18 1 5 1 39 1 0
Smith 6’1" 200lbs
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck PDef Int Yds TDs FF
16 7 42 38 4 0.0 4 1 20 0 0

Mays 6’3" 230lbs
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck PDef Int Yds TDs FF
16 6 38 31 7 0.0 2 0 0 0 0

Let us compare
Mays starts one less game then Smith and has only 4 less tackles and 2 less PD
Starts 10 less than Goldson and has about half the amount of tackles and PD
Yes both Goldson and Smith have an interception but Mays had a FF so they are equal on the turnovers, and not to mention the miraculous blocked punt recovery Mays had.
Couple that with the fact that he is by far the largest and one of the youngest safeties on our team should be more than enough to quiet the haters.
So what the FO put out an email to test the market for him, he is still on the team and from what I hear having an excellent camp. Time to realize what we have there and get off of the other safeties Dills, who are just as unproven as he is

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by bryceclan on Aug 9, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh and coverage was his biggest weakness coming out of college, so we give him only one year to work on it?

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by bryceclan on Aug 9, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

this guy could become a bigger,faster ronnie lott...

But he is from the hated usc (from a Stanford view) .

by wtlichens on Aug 9, 2011 7:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I believe Taylor Mays will

turn around the negativity in the preseason games and become an intregal part of the defense. At the very least he will make himself an attractive commodity to a team that needs him via trade.

by rileyg1 on Aug 9, 2011 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

This could be Harbaughs way of waking up Mays

to the fact that he has to compete and maximize his talents. I think they see a guy with losts of unfulfilled promise and they want ot find out if he has it him to fight back when they threaten his career. He has the time to fix this but he has to tackle better for starters, and then be a real force on defense.

by rileyg1 on Aug 9, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

thought of that too

he figures “I’m last year’s 2nd round pick…they won’t cut/trade me”

Team response: Mays is available to anyone!

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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow that would be crazy

and awesome. i vote for this one.

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by brooklyn49er on Aug 10, 2011 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pete Carroll should

be ashamed of himself for not teaching this kid better fundamentals.

by rileyg1 on Aug 9, 2011 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Pete Carroll

do you think the man that jumped from the sinking USC ship has ever been ashamed of anything?

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

He should be

But isn’t. When he skipped on Mays in the draft that should have told us something.

by Ougadas on Aug 9, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was stoked to get him with the 2nd rounder...

sad now, but there’s still time though.

BTW, can you explain what “fluid hips” are for a DB? I’ve always heard about fluid hips in terms of DB play, but no idea what it actually means.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hope this helps

Good example is when a player is backpedaling and has the ability to change his direction without losing a step. Using his hips and feet. Combine usually has a good drill showcasing this. Hope it helps and i hope im right lol.

by h0ckeysk83r on Aug 9, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see, thanks!

Always wondered what that meant. I was like “can he turn around really quickly?” or thrust his pelvis kinda cool?

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

H0ckeysk83r

Answered this one correctly.

This is how guys like Taylor Mays get burned. He has amazing straight line speed, but his change of direction is horrible.

Then the straight line speed doesn’t help because the field is really short compared to how fast these guys run.

For example, 5 yards of separation is a TD from anywhere on the field, even if the WR runs a 4.5 and the DB runs a 4.3.

by Ougadas on Aug 9, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

So fluid hips = ability to change direction

I thought it was something a little more macho.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for the clarification, guys!

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes and no

I think Carroll found a way to maximize Mays’ talents within his defense. Perhaps that can’t be done at the NFL level, or at least not in the same way…but we all know College isn’t for preparing players for the NFL, it’s for winning game$ for boo$ter$ and attendance$ to go up.

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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

As SC fan I'm not amazed at the lack of teaching in reference to Mays

1. Unfortuately for Mays, if he came out 2009 instead of listening to Carroll & staying till ’10 draft he would have been in the first round of that draft. Although SC had great coaching all around they lacked, good teaching on the defensive back side. Compounded by the fact you have your HC in Carroll, an ex-NFL defensive coordinator, asking you to come back & play your Senior year and “hone your skills” for the next level.

2. I can’t deny that SC isn’t the closest thing to a “farm-system” for the NFL. So the teaching overall is great, BUT for the DB’s in general was questionable at best since Rocky Seto was the DB’s coach during this tenure. Basically a “yes-man” with minimal experience at this position.

3. Product of the system- For the most part of his career at SC, Mays was taught to line-up 15 – 20yds away from the LOS which is HORRIBLE for a FS. But this was done in large part because he had such great “inline/closing” speed that few people with his statue have. So instead of working on technique, closing angles & ball-hawking skills he just got to the POA (point of attack) with his natural ablility. Unfortunately, for him it worked for the most part, but will not in the NFL.

4. Hard to teach an old dog, new tricks- So now we have a S that’s two years removed from horrible DB coaching that’s been going on for four years. Yes 49ers FO or should I say “Sing” got him with the 49th pick in the 2nd round. So of course they want return for their investment. But as stated by FO Mays will be the truest form of practicing PATIENCE!!

Hey if the project doesn’t panout you can always move him to OLB!?!?! I say this because he can cover TE’s & RB’s coming out of the backfield & the foundation of the body make is already there @ 6’ 3" 235lbs.

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 9, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fangio shot that last theory down today

said never any thought of moving Mays to LB, says frame and game are Safety.

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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then got to go with Fangio on this one with all of his experience

just goes to show he sees Mays’s talent unfortuately they just have to do some serious coaching & braking bad habits because Rocky Seto didn’t do a lick of helping Mays in college.

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I posted my thoughts on Mays above

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by bryceclan on Aug 9, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

to your first point

his draft stock fell as a result of teams seeing him workout in the combine and pro day and show his shortcomings…if he came out the previous year, teams would’ve seen the same thing during the combine. I don’t think his hips and change of direction got worse since his junior year. Im sure Pete Carroll wasn’t the only person Mays listened to when it came to deciding to stay. I would love to keep him and let him develop but if the other 6 or 7 guys are outperforming him in practice u gotta let him go. Its not fair to cut a guy that outplayed him cuz Taylor might be something.

Give tha guy a break...I remember losing most of our games because of mistakes by players that did not play the quarterback position.

I'm sure Norv Turner is a good judge of a good QB...even he said the guy can be good w/ quality people around him.

by NewAgecorner1 on Aug 9, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not saying technique got worse from Jr. to Sr. year

What I am saying is staying his senior year resonated his flaws for scouts to critique further. So it was a moot point for him to stay his senior year because he wasn’t getting good DB coaching to begin with at SC. It’s like Cam Newton we all know clearly he has flaws to begin with but, if he stays at Auburn another year to “hone his skills” he will definitely NOT be 1st pick overall next year. It was best for Mays to leave school while his stock was high after his Jr. year than stay for another season.

And as for Carroll not being the only person to influence his decision you are right. But as stated before Carroll & Rocky Seto were indeed a big part in making that decision.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/14/sports/sp-usc-football14

Coach Pete Carroll, Mays’ parents and others he respects played a role in the Thorpe Award finalist’s decision to return.

Mays said his decision might have been different if secondary coach Rocky Seto had accepted an offer in December to become Washington’s defensive coordinator. Seto, who recruited Mays, instead became the Trojans’ defensive coordinator this month when Nick Holt left for Seattle.

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Aug 10, 2011 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

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