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ESPN NFL Power Rankings: Are The 49ers Coming In Under The Radar?

ESPN released their first NFL power rankings of the preseason and our beloved 49ers sit 26th. The only teams behind them? Denver, Cleveland, Washington, Carolina, Buffalo, Cincinnati. Not exactly a great list of teams, but maybe having low expectations isn't the worst thing in the world.

Last year the 49ers entered the preseason ranked 12th in the power rankings. Power rankings in general are much more reactionary than predictive and the 49ers are a perfect example of that. Over the last few seasons the 49ers have entered the new year with high hopes and high expectations from the pundits. Big things were expected in 2007 after the 49ers closed strong in 2006. Last year expectations were high in the media thanks to the consistency carrying over. Both seasons ended fairly disastrously.

Low expectations this year can be due to a whole variety of reasons. The team did bring in Jim Harbaugh, but even that contributes to potentially low expectations. While we're all ready for Coach Harbaugh to lead the team to the promised land, less subjective opinions likely expect more struggles early on. A new coaching staff, the lockout affecting implementation of scheme changes, and of course the return of everyone's favorite whipping boy, Alex Smith, all contribute to lower expectations this year.

Do the expectations really make any difference? Is it possible lower expectations might decrease the pressure on the players' shoulders? Or does it really matter? I realize power rankings are fairly worthless in the broader context, but it does give us an idea of what people are thinking outside of the 49ers fanbase.

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would put us around 20 given all the uncertainties

can’t believe they have arizona at 21, sure they’ll be falling fast

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

We’re better than seattle and arizona

by luck49ers on Aug 9, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

seattle you can at least make a case for since they won the division, but Arizona?

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

You nailed it with "uncertainties"

I think our ranking is a reflection of that more than anything.

by Bigmouth on Aug 9, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

well I hope we aren't being overrated...

We won’t know till the season starts. Everyone wants to downgrade the niners because outside of s.f. they all think Alex is a bust. This NEEDS to be the year we find out.

by wtlichens on Aug 9, 2011 6:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

26th? Holy Moses...

That is pretty bad. I guess that is a good thing?

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 9, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

It doesn't matter

because these will all go out the window.

Look at the preseason rankings for previous years. That tells you all you need to know.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

my fav
The Cowboys are loaded and will look to secure a Super Bowl “home game.” (Clayton)

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is what I said below

They also had Pittsburgh at 18, I think LMAO

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right... Defense was a strength last year, liability this year..

Why exactly is that, I have no idea.. And it was all Alex Smith fault anyway, so who cares.

by Mindless on Aug 9, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

we lost our sack rush artist in lawson

his 2.5 sacks made him our sole pass rusher.

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by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

HIs 5 season career sack total of 14.5 ties the number of sacks Jevon Kearse had in his rookie season.

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

good for a laugh :)

Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...

by See Jay on Aug 9, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

But who exactly are the 49ers coming in under the radar against?

It’s not like any coaching staff out there in the NFL puts any stock in the espn power rankings. Sando doesn’t influence anybody.

Mike Tomlin: Wait, the ’9ers are where in the power rankings? Really? Take the week off boys!

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by dutra on Aug 9, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am confident our 2011 team is better than our 2010 team so i dont care about rankings.

by Chris.Doja on Aug 9, 2011 12:56 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

There’s very little question in my mind that our team has improved. Unfortunately, everyone else in the division (besides the seahawks) have improved as well. We’ll see how far we’ve actually come.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rankings don’t really matter as much as the scoreboard (haha). However, the thing that irritates me about these rankings is that our franchise is perceived so poorly based partly upon not making the big splash in FA like Seattle and Arizona did.

I guess the dynasty memories are still too fresh in my head…

Jim Harbaugh doesn't just WANT winners, he MAKES them!

by Adusoron on Aug 9, 2011 1:02 PM PDT reply actions  

To the same point, when they celebrated the 49ers "big" movies a few years ago

fans reveled in the expectations

So.. can’t really complain. This is how it works.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 9, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

What ranking would you give????

New Head Coach

New Offensive Cord

New Defense Cord

Loss of 4 or 5 starters

I think this is VERY FAIR AND HONEST assessment.

Expect a 5 or 6 win season, a good draft pick and hoepefully a solid platform to build off of for the years to come.

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by Italia1970 on Aug 9, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

HC – incomplete
OC – incomplete
DC – B (based upon past history when given real defensive tools with which to work)

The loss of 4-5 starters is mostly a net positive.
Carlos Rogers > Nate Clements (less burnt toast is good for the defense)
Donte Whitner > Dashon Goldson (better tackler, more durable, proven field leader)
Jonathan Goodwin > David Bass/Adam Snyder
Braylon Edwards > Morgan (and possibly better than Crabtree)
Sopoaga < Franklin (but for how long? and can’t Coach Tomsula coach up Soap?)
TKO < Bowman (but not for a 3 year deal…Bowman looks legit)

I think ESPN’s assessment is very negative and assumes that we are in a rebuild because we are ranked 4th in the division.

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by Adusoron on Aug 9, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of what you said,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

However, that is still a hell of a lot of changes on the field and to think there won’t be growing pains to go with much turnover is absurd.

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by Italia1970 on Aug 9, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If everyone learns their assignments and can build some team chemistry

offense as one component and defense as the other… then the sky is the limit in such a wide open division.

Not one team has the advantage over the other.

Pete Carroll – Known for running teams in to the dirt after he takes over.

Steve Spags – Unproven thus far but showing moderate improvement per season. Still a lot on the table.

Ken Wizz – I mean, one SB and major, major strides to make this year. Lot of key players lost, not a whole bunch gained. Kolb will dictate their success. And he is very unproven at this point.

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by Drew Kerr on Aug 9, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

with all except this TKO < Bowman. More upside with Bowman though, he is a decade or so younger

by jobharve on Aug 10, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Other than 8 training camp practices, no one has seen anything to rank us any higher. We’re going to have to work for it.

(even though being below AZ is pretty bad)

by NashvilleNinersFan on Aug 9, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

People will take notice when they cart TJ off the field

Mr Jackson, please meet Mr Willis and his two buddies, Mr Smith and Mr Smith.
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by Da Bum on Aug 9, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Underestimating us would help - hope they do.

New coaches, new system, new personnel and a brief preseason to implement everything? I don’t expect to draw conclusions until half the season is over. Five of our last seven games are in the division, so we’ll still be in it by the time we gel.

Power rankings have just been relections of your won loss record tweaked for expectations. If they were valid indicators, they wouldn’t change every week.

by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 9, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

You won't see Harbaugh hanging a "Win the West" banner:

You’re more likely to see him hang a ‘nobody believed in us’ banner.

Personally, I like it better this way.

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by grantmp on Aug 9, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Pressure is off

At least from a national media standpoint. No expects us to do anything other than suck.

We all know that expectations are running fairly high in the local area and media.

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by Adusoron on Aug 9, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

id rather fly under the radar

than have all these false expectations put on us and have the new guys have too much pressure!

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by imjuliooo89 on Aug 9, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh wow

Some of those teams they have above us…Ouch

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by hankmoody on Aug 9, 2011 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Like 99% of TV

just a time-filler. Hopefully not too many idiots on the team – ones who give a dang.

by oldfoggy on Aug 9, 2011 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Sando's an idiot

He’s the one with the blurb by the 49ers about how overhauling the defense leaves it with major questions and fails to note that the so-called “overhaul” is a net positive over last year.

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2011 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed.

The Eagles are “overhauling” their defense: two new CBs, a bunch of new defensive linemen and linebackers, and correct me if I’m wrong but I think they added a safety. No one’s complaining on their end.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Idiot?

That’s a little strong. I saw in one of his replies in the comments section that he is just wary about picking the 49ers because of our recent history of choking.

I’d say he’s being wimpy because once bitten, twice shy.

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by Adusoron on Aug 9, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's got nothing to do with him not picking the 49ers to win it all

rather the fact that he has put absolutely no effort into analyzing the actual roster of the 49ers.

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he disagrees on the caliber of the players and their ability to mesh a bunch of new guys in a short window. Then there’s Alex Smith. I don’t think it’s far fetched to rank us low.

by mrg80 on Aug 9, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again

the problem is the absolute lack of any kind of analysis of the players at all.

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

In fairness to Sando

He did say the NFC West was wide open and any of the four teams could end up winning it based on various x-factors, but maybe that’s just a way of being as noncommittal as posible. I will agree though that his analysis always seems a little lacking in insight and have often wished ESPN had someone else covering the NFC West.

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by urnext on Aug 9, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

i read in his comments section he made those

Rankings before our FA acquisitions and when we had just lost bass, tko etc.

I think he would rank us higher now….

2011 season can't come quick enough..

by AzNiner on Aug 9, 2011 3:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sando was born and raised in Seattle.

He also worked for their local paper. He definitely has bias for the Seahawks. But didn’t he pick us to win last year? I read his stuff everyday and I do see him giving us the benefit of the doubt more so than not. At least in the past couple years.

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fact that Sando ranks the Niners behind the Vikings is an embarassment to ESPN.

But really, not many people give a [site decorum] about the bottom 15. I’m sure the Niners will end up middle of the pack this year, barring injury.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Their defense is ferocious

Although less so with the end of the Williams Wall

Kaep may become our Staubach, but Alex is our Craig Morton...

by See Jay on Aug 9, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really worried too much about the rankings

Last season they had Dallas #4 overall and Pittsburgh at #18 during week one. How did that end up?

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

pretty much, no one should take rankings or "expert" opinions for anything more than they are

just fun postulations.. If they had ranked the 49ers #1, it wouldn’t matter anymore than if they ranked them #32.

I haven’t made my initial rankings yet, but I imagine the 49ers would be around the bottom 3rd.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 9, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to the start of the regular season power rankings.

Also, if the Niners beat the Eagles week four, expect us to jump to an undeserved #10. Good Lord the Eagles are so overrated this year.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know that is a talented football team

Their front four is scary, the corners may dominate and Vick is special. Remember they also added Ronnie Brown to take some of the heat off of Shady McCoy. They are going to be extremely tough

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ronnie Brown is highly overrated, IMO.

I think that was one of their worse pickups. They’re a team of veterans, and without solid youth I think they’re destined to bust. Just my opinion, but I don’t see a SB in their future.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He will be a solid

complement to McCoy, that is what I meant.. The may in fact, be like the Miami Heat of the NFL. Talent all around, but not able to put it together.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

overrated- but he's a stud inside the 10 yard line

Ronnie Brown has a nose for the end zone. which is a nice complement to McCoy…who’s not so studly inside the 10.

And also, it gives them the ability to preserve vick who got that collarbone break reaching for the goal line.

by t p on Aug 9, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be "expert for a second"

NFC West Rankings

49ers: 17
Rams: 19
Seahawks: 22
Cardinals: 24

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't understand why people keep thinking we're gonna lose to the lions.

I think that’s about middling difficulty. They have a scary front four and one great receiver, but thats about it.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have a decent TE, monster receiver

terrific QB (if he can stay healthy), and a pretty solid defense.

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

All true.

But if someone’s going to be a serious homer and say we’re going 13-3, then the lions would not be one of those losses.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

random loss

the 49ers always lose a game that they should win. often its on the road during an early game so the lions just seemed like a possible time to lose. its still early in the season too so they might still be shaky.

by Adamgoniners on Aug 9, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

this always does happen. last year there were like 5 in a row in the beginning of the season. remember that? lolz

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol.

I blame Phillip Adams for that loss to the Saints. (yeah yeah team game blah blah)

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just saying

The lions might break 500 this year. Wouldn’t shock me, they’ve drafted well.

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by Johnnysixnut on Aug 9, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could happen

This is probably our ceiling for this year. Unless Alex Smith goes Super Saiyan.

But if I’m in vegas I’m probably thinking 8-8 or 7-9.

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

the over/under is 8.5

very tempting to put down a couple bills on under…the perfect fan hedge

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by fjm on Aug 9, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoops 7.5

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by fjm on Aug 9, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

was gonna say

I know vegas always likes the niners but 8.5 is high.

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a gambooling man

I’d say the under is a pretty easy take. I know it’s hard as a niner fan, and thats why I would never place that bet. Never bet against your own team. I already have enough conflicts with fantasy sports.

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's the "fan hedge"

if you lose the bet, you’re happy because we’re .500 or better and likely in the hunt for playoffs.
if you win the bet, you’re pissed about season but you can buy yourself (read: wife) something nice

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by fjm on Aug 9, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I get it.

Logically it makes sense. But my conscious will never let me bet against the niners. Played baseball and poker my whole life, so I’m extremely superstitious. So I won’t take the risk of my bet affecting the niners season (I’m aware that’s absurd).

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, I can see that happening

I think 8-8 is not too absurd…. maybe it’s the Harbs KoolAid

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

the koolaid

it is delicious

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by fjm on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Low Carbs. High Harbs.

I shook his hand yesterday in practice, and still havent washed it.

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

to both the joke and the fact you haven’t washed your hands.

Hopefully it was clean before you shook it. If the coach falls ill to the flu or something we’re taking pitchforks to your house.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are jk?

Jim Harbaugh’s immune system is so strong, germs are scared to even come within a one mile radius.

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

Maybe his doctor is also a steeley eyed missile man.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last time he felt sick

Jim Harbaugh’s doctor went to him for a check up… Harbaugh’s antibodies (Harbantibodies) are now being developed as the cure for cancer.

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

but it's not a stretch to see only 6-7 wins with our schedule

Only a few “easy” games…far too many coin flips to go all-in on the over

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by fjm on Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's so unpredictable

especially with parity. opponents that don’t look strong now, could be surprisingly tough opponents when the season is underway.

I’ve looked at the schedule 5 or 6 times, and know whatever I guess will be wrong because of a few random games (such as losing to the Browns or beating the Steelers, etc).

who knows. maybe the koolaid is legit and we roll to 10-11 wins

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by fjm on Aug 9, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

playoffs is good for me

even if 7-9 will do it (it won’t this year, but still)

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm calm/rational now

but when the season starts I’ll pretty much expect 16-0 and take every loss like a kick to the gut

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by fjm on Aug 9, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both the beauty and agony of football

is that luck is such a big part of games that it’s not too hard to see the “better” team lose. Combine that with a one-and-done playoffs, you can see why there are so few back to back SB champs (unlike in Basketball, with it’s 6 month playoffs of Best-of-7)

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to the new CBA

Players will also be tested for the PED Harb koolaid.

by jscott_26 on Aug 9, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

this will happen

if the niners go 14-2

remember when we used to go 14-2? that was pretty cool

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by fjm on Aug 9, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

When did Stafford become a terrific QB?

He had a crappy rookie season, and started off slowly before getting injured last season. He still has a ton of potential and is a great young prospect but let’s not pretend he’s Matt Ryan.

by Fearless Frog on Aug 9, 2011 7:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

No way we go 13-3, but nice dreaming

However, I have us beating the Lions. They still have major issues along the offensive line and in the defensive backfield. Neither were really addressed in the off-season. Plus, they lost Leshoure for the season and Fairley is in a walking boot. Hard to tell what is going to happen with them. It will also depend on Stafford staying healthy, which is unlikely

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

the key is definitely Stafford

I don’t’ think it’ll be a walk in the park, but it should be a decent game that we can win

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Leshoure injury hurts a lot

Best is not an every down back in the NFL, and Stafford needs to get protection in the running game because it isn’t going to happen a long the offensive line

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

19-0

if you’re going to be optimistic, might as well go all the way

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

decided

Superbowl XLVI champs. Good job niners.

by reedkrase on Aug 9, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

lets just see how our 9ERS do when the season starts

the only rankings that count are the last ones. the ones that come after the superbowl.

by chris z on Aug 9, 2011 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

not really

because those would be the preseason rankings for the upcoming season!

But your point is very valid

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMAO good point

you might be right, but i think some sites make a rankings list and rank all the teams right after the superbowl. 1) being the superbowl champs 2) being the superbowl loser and so forth,

by chris z on Aug 9, 2011 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

they got the 2 1 going (SB loser #1, Winner #2)

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea I seen it and you are right

i guess i was wrong, i think they only do that for basketball then. anyway what i meant to say was what counts is the final standings after the superbowl. so who cares, right? thats why we play the games. no one thought the seachickens where going to beat the saints in the playoffs. so you never know. thats why im sure we a love football. new season, fresh start. most teams have a shot.

by chris z on Aug 9, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I totally agree with you

Rankings in general are stupid for actual prediction/evaluation, I think. They are only valuable in starting conversations about how wrong/right they are, which can lead to some valuable insight.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vic Fangio has his presser today and seriously knocked the hope out of me

said that Willis and Smith are not very good and that Culliver needs to study more.

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by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, but that's his personality, never pleased

I read a story about a game at Stanford where Stanford was absolutely killing the other team, something like 35-0 at halftime, and Fangio was like “you guys played like **** out there”

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Article

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-12-30/sports/26350889_1_stanford-defense-vic-fangio-cornerback-richard-sherman


Cornerback Richard Sherman said his first impression of Fangio when he joined the staff this year after 24 years in the NFL was that of a “stone cold killer.”
“You think he’s the meanest guy,” Sherman said. "He rarely smiles. The other team might have no points or three points at halftime, and he’ll come in and say, ‘That was a s- half.’ "

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

I think I can forgive him though

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

what? Willis is not good? or just not doing good under his system?

by danknerd49 on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He said his pass rushing skills sucked

and that he is better than expected but still needs to improve.

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't suck at it though

he has the most sacks for an ILB in the past two years. He also said Smith is ok and where he expected him to be.

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The sacks aren't due to Patrick's rushing ability

they’re from the defensive scheme. In this case the defensive linemen act like offensive linemen and open a hole for Willis to come through.

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

isn't that how the ilb blitz supposed to work though?

I think Fangio was saying how he needs help beating the RB

"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"

by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's how it's supposed to act

but it requires very little actual pass-rushing skills

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

so he wants it to succeed more

like 10/10 instead of 8/10 times

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by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

i know im bias

but Willis is a beast and a bad ass. the best or in the top 3 LB’s today.

by chris z on Aug 9, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a surprise

It’s not his area of play.

The only sacks he got, it seems to me, were when he just shot through the C and G off the snap.

by brundylop on Aug 9, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats the ILB blitz isn't it?

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by manraj7 on Aug 9, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

basically he came through a hole created by the defensive linemen

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL I don't think people are hearing you.

louder maybe

thats the ILB blitz isn’t it?

perhaps softer

If you wan the ILB to blitz, the DTs need to make a hole

by Da Bum on Aug 9, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scheme

the 49ers offensive and defensive schemes need to improve over training camp. By improve, I mean that the players need to start executing at a better rate. But, that is what the preseason is for. If the 49ers are able to buy into the scheme and play up to their level, there is no reason to believe that this team cannot win 10 games in 2011.

They have the talent to do so, and need to have the scheme to match each players specific talent. If you are able to get the ball to Gore, Davis, Walker, Crabtree, Edwards and Morgan in the open field, the results are going to be great.

Additionally, the defensive scheme is going to best utilize each players specific strength. Whitner will be able to play in the box and act like a another linebacker most of the time. Rogers is a better cover corner than Clements, so you are not going to have to move people over to that side for help a lot. Willis being utilized in the pass blitz more is going to help Aldon Smith get freed up around the end because teams wont be able to zero in on him.

10-6 is not out of the question

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope your right, but I think the dropoff between Manny Lawson and whoever lines up there this year will be big too. Also the team doesn’t have a proven QB, and it’s a QB league.

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by Johnnysixnut on Aug 9, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN, what a bunch of idiots..

Don’t they realize that Alex Smith is their starting QB…oh…wait a second…never-mind..

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by Johnnysixnut on Aug 9, 2011 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I was watching the Cards game in week 17 on NFL rewind and Alex was incredible.

Even his checkdowns were good, great decisions and tight throws. I expect to see more of that next year. The TD pass to Ginn was a thing of beauty.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Malone

Had a good game once too..

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by Johnnysixnut on Aug 9, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great game, but I still picture his inability to complete a 7-10 yard out to move the chains and run the clock. As much as I want to think he’ll be better this year, he doesn’t seem to be able to make some simple throws with any consistency.

by mrg80 on Aug 9, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been watching through the season, and Alex actually does do well consistently when he can have 3 seconds or more in the pocket.

His only inconsistency happens when the pocket collapses. I’m quite serious, watching his play last season has actually inspired me. If we have problems this season, if he plays like he did in 2010, it won’t be his fault. go back and watch his games. almost all his big mistakes were either SLIGHT mistakes that were usually catchable, or throws to crabtree.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going to disagree there. Half of the pressures are induced by his panic and running or rolling into defenders.

by mrg80 on Aug 9, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

But they're really not.

It’s happened a couple times, but in general the line just breaks down after a second and a half. The couple times I did see him roll into a defender it was because he had pressure from another side.

by Rhombus on Aug 10, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still, that was under last year's regime

We’ve had upgrades in QB coaching, offensive personnel, playbook and gameplanning. He will certainly improve but will it be enough to be the QBOTF?

by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 10, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

i dont get worked up

either way about it..football can go many different ways on any given Sunday.
That being said, they are starting us about right based on what they see..its better to come up and exceed expectations than what we did last year—-fall on our faces out of the gate.
9ers stay humble and fight in every game and lets see how things shake out!

by 11allstar on Aug 9, 2011 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, under the radar... under water... under ground

To be honest, I have zero expectations. Absolutely no idea how it will all come together this year. Ask me in November.

by Mindless on Aug 9, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Bias

ESPN, NFL, etc. obviously are bias. You watch any of their shows and it’’s all New England, Pittsburg, the 2 NY’s, etc. The east seems to be all they know.

by 49er faithful on Aug 9, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

In a realistic world the Jets would get a bad off-season grade, but ESPN doesn't seem to see that

They lost Brad Smith and Braylon Edwards, while replacing them with an over the hill receiver (Mason) and one that hasn’t played in years. Damien Woody and Kris Jenkins both retired. They missed out on Nnamdi and had to settle for Cromartie. And, the list goes on…….

But, ESPN is east coast based and has a tremendous amount of bias in regards to their content. Sometimes, it just makes sense to ignore them.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 9, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Niners have the most talent in the division and it isn't even close

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs in 2012, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Aug 9, 2011 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Definitely, I don't think anyone disagrees with you,

its just all the question marks. Sando seems to find fault with the idea that we will turn it around THIS YEAR, which I totally get, even if I disagree with him.

by Rhombus on Aug 9, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Schedule

It’s a real possibility that the niners are in a bad way if they don’t get a good start to the season. Weeks 1 to 3 are one of the easiest stretches of schedule- and the front half is the easier half.

ESPN is probably looking at the turnover in SF and seeing that the strike shortened off season is cause for a slow start. And it’s not too far out of question, either.

What’s lame about ESPN is that they leverage their rankings too highly on the QB for each team (just read each blurb…mostly QB chatter). The bulk of niner talent is on the offensive side of the ball. Since the media thinks very lowly of alex, they’re fully justified in thinking that the niners will fail to realize that talent.

So…why not rank them at the bottom during the preseason?

by t p on Aug 9, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

With the turnover in coaching, I don’t see much improvement in the Niners. First year coaches are hard press to perform at a higher level. The fact that the team is lead by the QB, again I don’t see much improvement by Smith. He’ll fall back on his old bad habits, as usual. I wish they would do better than 6-10 but that’s what I see them doing.

by LASVEGASNINER on Aug 9, 2011 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah

it seems the niners fo are rebuilding the team into a smart, effective group..
That being said, good things take time. I hope other fans share that patience…

theres nothing wrong with another 6-10 season if the niners are building their youth, learning and growing in their system and competing hard every game..

good point on smith and well see..

by 11allstar on Aug 9, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being ranked this low is PERFECT

The team will be as good (or not) as it’s going to be based on talent and coaching, and this ranking, like every other, will have no impact on the quality of their play. In fact, the more the rest of the league thinks the ‘niners are an automatic W, the better chance they’ll have of sneaking up on people. Football, more than some sports, is a game where emotion and desire have a tangible impact on the outcome – and if the ‘niners show up on Sundays with a chip on their shoulders, facing teams that assume they suck, that will absolutely play to their advantage. I hope they’re ranked in the bottom five in every newspaper, magazine, website and blog in the country…

by mwright84 on Aug 9, 2011 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Rite were they should be

Just like PATINCE was the keyword durin free agency was new keyword is GEL need to be coached up lots of guys u didn’t pick and hell lots of guys the last 3 or 4 coachin staffs didn’t pick. We need these guys need to build their team. Ok so still with pA tience.as the keyword

by ndsf1994 on Aug 9, 2011 7:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

My thinking exactly

mwright84: your insert is like you were a “fly on the wall” in my brain. What I was thinking , you put into words.

If we can stay under the radar until Games 4-5, we got’em. By then the Niners will have discovered and accepted the fact they can play with anybody. And once they do – look out NFL.

by ninernutt on Aug 9, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course these power rankings are useless...but...

considering the niners team last year, and how they are relatively the same team, 26th is not unreasonable.

by salary_cap on Aug 9, 2011 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't say we're "under the radar"

In fact, I confidently believe we’re not even on a radar…anywhere. Unless it’s a “contention for Luck” radar. Apologies but I’m not getting my hopes up this year just to be let down game after game. I expect this team to suck and cannot be disappointed if they do.

by ZivilynBane on Aug 9, 2011 11:05 PM PDT reply actions  

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