49ers vs. Chargers: Aldon Smith, Demarcus Dobbs Dominate Second Quarter
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 8:28 PM PDT
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The second quarter saw the 49ers offense stall out a bit as QB Colin Kaepernick continued to struggle. Kaepernick threw a pair of interceptions with one being a brutal underthrow and the other being a bit of a tough pass into excellent coverage on Ronald Johnson. The defender had a hand on Johnson's left arm and from behind it was tough to tell what specifically happened, but at the end of the day it was an interception.
The big story of the second quarter has come on defense as Aldon Smith has two sacks and Demarcus Dobbs has gotten involved on a couple big plays. On the Smith sack, Dobbs was rolling his defender back and was getting into Scott Tolzien's line of sight. On the Jordan Todman fumble, Dobbs actually appeared to get a hand in on the play, although he was turned around and didn't see the ball when he made the play. Either way, when things are going well for a youngster, these sorts of plays happen.
It's all backup play at this point and given how early Kaepernick got into the game, we might still see Josh McCown or McLeod Bethel-Thompson in the fourth quarter.
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Great
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
chilo looked like he was in a WWF death match & was going to kill all SD defenders
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Amazing what getting in shape
and dedication can do to somebody who is talented.
seriously
play your ass off
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well rated #1 last year, but manusky is their coord now
so take it for what its worth
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
they been shutting down Kaep
He is a rook though. We will find out in the opener I guess if if was a fluke.
Quite good.
Number 7 defense in DVOA last year.
Come'on backups come with the same intensity
that the starters did in the 1st half
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Wow, great use of the TV pen.
Circling Harbaughs crotchal region. Classy.
Like when he circled Alex early and said
I’m happy for THIS guy.
Clearly unnecessary use of the pen.
To be fair, if I was a commentator, I'd be drawing sooo many pictures.
“Alex Smith is in the house!” [draws a house around Alex]
Ha, I wasn't really judging him for it
But it was unnecessary nonetheless.
If it was first round, yes
Second round still carries some risks, but not as much. I mean, it can’t turn out worse than Taylor Mays.
using a 2nd rounder on a safety is not the same as mortgaging draft picks to take a guy you view as your future at the most important position on the field
Would you have said that same thing about using a 6th rounder on Tom Brady?
He was just practice squad food I’m sure. If he ends up leading this franchise back to glory and we got him in the second round, that’s huge. So if you’d like to call it a high risk, I’m okay with that. Only time will tell.
Only time will tell
Ultimately, yes, but that doesn’t mean we can make some objective claims about Kaep’s likelihood to become good. Brady is different in that, though no one thought he was any good, he didn’t play the pistol and was a pocket quarterback. Brady lacked the “physical wowness” that dominant college QBs display — Vick, Newton, Vince Young etc. — but had established an ability to make throws from the pocket, read defenses, understand complex reads etc.
Nothing
That you’ve said so far is objective…None of us have enough information to do so.
I hope that doesn't become a measuring stick
At least it wasn’t as bad as Mays. Well he’s better than Mays…etc
Lol, me either
Just trying to put into point that we’ve hit and missed on 2nd round picks before, and we will again. This one could be our QBOTF, or he could be gone in 2 years. It sucks, but that’s just the way it is.
Trading up FOR a 2nd rd pick, then tabbing him your future, is not a “low risk” ( partly because it means the niners probably aren’t searching for more alternatives for future QB). And the words “project” and “raw” and “upside” tend to be what people say about players who aren’t very good but have some physical ability.
I’ve heard some scouts (I happen to agree) talk about the absurdity in the NFL of teams reaching for dominant college QBs who have not demonstrated any capacity to do the things asked of an NFL QB. It seems pretty straightforward and logical. It is pure speculation to think it is EVEN likely that Kaep develops a profound capacity to play the position despite his physical abilities, which is not all that important at the QB position. He has to be able to throw with some precision and touch and …. it goes on and on ..
It definitely shows confidence in him, but we didn't trade that high for him.
He was obviously the guy harbaugh wanted, and we’ll see where that takes us. But it’s really the fans who are tabbing him as “our future,” not Harbs or the Niners management in general.
Picking a QB you like in the second round isn’t saying there’s no other option. I’m sure we’ll keep looking for other QBs, and probably keep Alex for another year or two if he plays well this season. Stop worrying, Kaps only been playing for the Niners for like, 2 months.
I’d also like to think they would have taken Dalton had he not been snatched up a pick earlier, but I doubt it. They guy the Texans drafted in the 6th round looks a world better than Kaep.
He likes QBs that can't throw the ball
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not one scout will tell you Kaep is a better passer than Kaep. Not one. Stronger arm, yes. Jim Druckenmiller anybody?
I’m not comparing the two. I’m just saying Drunk had the best arm in the world. Arm strenght is not all that important for a QB. He’s just got to make all the throws.
Oh I agree
Seemed like a comparison. Arm strength really isn’t THAT important provided it is adequate.
Actually, sometimes it works against you (see: Cutler, Jay) trying to fit throws into tighter windows.
Jim Druckenmiller anybody?
This about sums up your lack of knowledge for the game in three words. At the very least the position.
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tact
I simply don’t think this harsh a response was necessary.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Comparing Druckenmiller to Kaepernick when their skill-sets are nothing alike is?
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He saw a former busts name and used it.
That’s what it boils down to.
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arm strength
He was simply making a reference to arm strength. And the discussion itself developed throughout this thread beyond just that one comment.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay...well use someone in the league...
Vince Young, or Matt Stafford, etc… use a 49er bust to explain arm strength?
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fine...
I’m not saying his point is correct. I think you’re correct. I just think saying “This about sums up your lack of knowledge for the game in three words. At the very least the position” is an overly aggressive way of criticizing his opinion. In yours and my subsequent conversation you’ve made the exact same point without getting in my face about it. It’s the getting in the face with it that often creates disputes throughout the site. It’s a common problem throughout the community.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
that might come across as a little kumbaya-ish
but history on this site has shown people are quick to get at each other’s throats. I’d rather try to avoid that where possible.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right.
I don’t want to get in to it. I probably should’ve just ignored it.
I just want to enjoy the win. But there’s always someone who tries to bring everyone down and it gets me heated sometimes.
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Kaep discussion
They had a productive discussion below that continued beyond the above comments.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
that's fine
but for future comments, it’s important to view the entire context of the discussion that took place.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
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Don't have to
We both had some similar concerns about Kaep. He thinks they will prevent him from panning out.
I think Harbaugh can help him quite a bit. Too early to say he doesn’t have a chance.
I don't think his intention was to bring anybody down.
He simply stated his opinion that Kaep didn’t seem like he would pan out. There was some discussion about it, and in the end it was “good talking to you” and we all moved on. He never said “everyone should hate Kaep and I hope he’s a bust,” which is what I think would qualify as bringing people down. It was a good conversation.
not one scout will tell you Kaep is a better passer than Kaep. Not one. Stronger arm, yes. Jim Druckenmiller anybody?
I think you mean Kaep is better than Dalton.
If that’s what you meant, they really are not that far off. Kaeps made some awesome crows and had crappy Oline play with a short offseason. So did Dalton. Dalton is only slightly looking better. SLIGHTLY. You can’t say “Dalton would be our future but Kaep = bust.”
Looks a world better than Kaep *right now*.
Keep in mind that Kaep’s got a lot of issues that need to but can be worked out. I understand he’s been doing pretty poorly, but give him some time in a pro offense before you write him off as a bad decision. I think he can be a pretty exciting QB.
Can you articulate why you naturally — and why we all should too — assume that Kaep will develop these skills?
Oh I'm not saying you should assume anything.
I’m totally disappointed in Kap’s play. I’m just saying that writing someone off after 2 months, especially someone who came in with known deficiencies in accuracy and a simple offense, is a bad idea. Assuming he WON’T develop these skills is as dangerous as assuming he will.
Easy
We have a QB in Alex Smith that is extremely intelligent. He makes bone headed plays in game, but out of the game he knows what not to do. Harbaugh is a QB guru. If you can work hard and have the right set up, it’s possible. Maybe not probable, but possible.
I mean in evaluating Kaep’s skills and abilities at this point — factoring in what he did not have to do at Nevada. It’s easy to say Harbaugh is a guru and thus we should feel good about Kaep’s prospects.
If you look at it that way, why get excited for anyone?
A lot of college QB prospects aren’t asked to take a snap under center and they run a lot. More athlete than QB. I can agree with that, and I can also understand concern for Kape. But it’s also misleading. Look what happened to Jimmy Clausen.
sure, playing pro-style doesn’t guarentee anything, or even make it more likely that you will succeed; BUT it does give you a more accurate, more objective evaluation of a QB now — and his potential. You are essentially taking a wild guess with physical specimens like Kaep and Newton, which is fine … in the 6th round. these NFL teams drool over guys who run fast and have a rifle and just say “hey, he’s got the tools, he’ll learn.” Also, franchises don’t want to pass on the next Vick. Vick probably ruined a good hunk of NFL franchises by proliferating the model of drafting physical specimens who can’t play (Vick not included of course.)
He may have been overdrafted, but if he's going to get taken than you have to pull the trigger.
It was that or a McBLT in the late rounds who we almost for sure know won’t pan out. Kaep is a possible 2nd round bust and the person we could have taken there is the same way. It’s all so subjective, and over drafting is an issue only if he doesn’t pan out.
McBLT in the late rounds who we almost for sure know won’t pan out
Wasn’t it you that mentioned Brady earlier? Maybe it wasn’t. Where he was drafted only matters in terms of the impact on the franchise’s future; but it has no bearing on the intrinsic value/ability of a player. To assume that no QB slipping down the charts has an ability to be “any good,” let alone better than the long-winding, I-only-throw-bullets-regardless-of-route Kaep is just not accurate. Yates, the TExans no. 3 QB taken in the 6th (or so) is profoundly more advanced as a QB (ie. a “thrower”) than Kaep is.
BTW: It’s not all (entirely) subjective. Some reasons are objectively more/less silly than others (not necessarily speaking to our conversations)
It was me that mentioned Brady
I usually try to keep those kind of players out of it because I believe Brady and other really late round QBs are almost too rare to mention. Almost. Most of the time, 6th round QB area is practice squad or roster filler. Why Kaep was drafted so much higher than a guy like Yates is I’m guessing because either A>) Our scouts are bad or B.) Harbaugh used his QB knowledge pool to determine Kaep had the potential to be better under the right circumstances. Will he be right? I have no idea.
I don't think
Many people have been clamoring for him to since about a few weeks ago. When we drafted him I didn’t want him to play at all this year. I still don’t.
Far to early to worry about it. Haven’t seen anything that any rookie hasn’t done this early in their career.
Its not too early when either a freak injury or ineffectiveness will put this team in this guy’s hands. I never thought I could be concerned with a QB more than AS … but I was wrong.
After 3 preseason games?
Into his 4th. It’s not too early? If you say so.
You haven’t seen enough that demonstrates to you an incompetency to play NFL quarterback right now? You feel comfortable with him coming in in a pinch during the reg season and not impoloding? How many games til you feel comfortable? What type of performances do you need to see to lose confidence?
Woah hold on now
You are essentially insinuating he is a bust already. I am saying the jury is still out. But the mistakes I’ve seen him make are correctable ones so far. I am not ready to dump him tomorrow like you seem to be.
No I can’t say I’d feel comfortable with him coming in in a pinch, but I never said I would. But that doesn’t mean he is completely useless as you say. Far far too early.
No man the 1st preseason of a guys career is important just like the first season is important
Most passes intercepted, season, rookie: 28, Peyton Manning, 1998
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by manraj7 on Sep 1, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
not an honest argument in my view. P Manning was, beyond a reasonable doubt, pretty good that year despite the ints. No one said to themselves “oh man 28 ints — he is a bust.” It’s a way of flashing an awful stat to deflect from having to articulate the nuances here and acknowledge the PROFOUND difference in Manning and Kaep as rookies. I doubt that was your intention, though.
No I just think its not right to blow the Preseason/rookie season
out of proportion
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by manraj7 on Sep 1, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We’re not talking about a seasoned vet going through the motions and having a bad preseason. We’re talking about a rookie showing us what a QB looks like when asked to do things he’s not equipped to do. THIS IS KAEP RIGHT now. No blowing anything out of proportion. I suppose if he was tearing it up, you could say he is God; if he sucks, he’s just “learning”. You are seeing precisely who Kaep is right now. Whether he’ll get better and how much is open for debate, but what is not is that Kaep is in Tebow territory.
No one is arguing that Kaep sucks right now
And you nod at the fact that he could get better, which is what people are saying… So what are you saying? I don’t understand.
Oh my...
You aren’t leaving it up for debate, you are taking what he looks like now and saying he has no chance, we shouldn’t have drafted him, etc etc…That is blowing it out of proportion after this little time.
He hasn’t done any better or worse than any other NFL QB in history, the ones who turned out great and the ones who busted in a few years…
I’ve been trying to say its not solely based — or even mostly based — on his preseason performances. the preseason just affirms (at least supports) what I felt was clear all along. Don’t think I’m seeing him make all these dumb throws out of context. It is in the context of Kaep that makes this very concerning. The Niners had so many needs, but they liked Kaep so much that they traded up and used a 2nd rounder to get him. Kaep lacks the most important tools AND abilities of an NFL QB — touch, reading defenses, and accuracy — and I have not heard substantive reasons as to why, after 22 years on earth, that its going to change (enough anyways). I accept that it might, I’m arguing it is hard not to lean heavily towards pessimism here.
Thanks for clarifying
The only full game of his I watched was the Boise St. game. Aside from that it is various highlight clips and such, then added to what we’ve seen in the preseason (which doesn’t help his case).
Clearly in the system in college he was allowed to rely on his athleticism a lot. I don’t think he had too many issues with accuracy actually, some touch passes, yes, but he’s fairly accurate from what I’ve seen. Tonight his throws were accurate aside from that terrible first pick.
I think he has good instincts in general, he has clearly worked on his footwork quite a bit with Harbaugh. The one thing that I am reminded of is some of his interviews where he says he needs to be able to not think. Right now he is still picking up on what is being installed to the offense, reading NFL defenses (certainly a concern right now). So once he gets some of that stuff over time he will settle down and be able to go out and play. That is where marked improvement will come.
I think we have many of the same concerns. I think he can learn and especially from Harbaugh. You are more skeptical that he will ever be able to learn these things. Fair enough?
It's always fair enough...
I enjoy the dialectic, and as we’ve seen, after each exchange we are both able to increasingly clarify what we are trying to say. That’s the beauty…
It’s only one game. I don’t think you should put guys on pedestals or throw them in the cellar after one performance.
Or make a play , dang not looking to good ...!!
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Culliver where are you on that pass
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Spillman you no good either
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Culliver the Terrible
Playing his way into a permanent nickname
Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen
Aldon....
We didnt get to see much of Aldon dropping back into coverage which is said to be his weakness…i want to see MORE!!!
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Dobbs!!!
Beastin!!! This guy is UNSTOPABLE
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pressure
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lol you keep adding to your posts
this is good
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
this must be ment for someone else
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Get Omon in there and get Hunter out ...!!
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Well , Hunter we will see this year Kaep , not so much ...!!
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I already have a Kaep jersey… autographed by him too :)
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Kristick has a leg injury
Yea thanks, figured that out when it happened…
Wow Dixon Hits A Hole!!
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make it 2
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
numbers
He’s suddenly at 60+ yards. That happened pretty suddenly.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously
that’s what happens when you’re more decisive
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a porn ...!!
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no comment
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
HD
im telling you
it could be like DVD (ATL) back in the day
what about Frank
GHD??
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
ahh gotcha
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like a performance enhancing drug
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I love our run-blocking.
It’s been consistently good most of the preseason, and our RBs are taking advantage of it.
Kyle!!!
he was great on ASU, I am glad we have him
Dang , nice kick ...!!
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points!
love points. If you score more points than the other team, you’re in pretty good shape.
haha......and
1+1=2
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Thinkin Akers might give Andy Lee a run for Gods of the Foot ...!!
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Good news everyone
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thats almost blasphemy, sir
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by QualityOverQuantity on Sep 1, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Did JH gameplan for this one???
hmmmmmmmm???
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game-planning
Not sure about the offense because it’s been a fairly basic offense…at least it seems like that to me.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The Line just blocked better
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Stream
anybody know if firstrowsports website works for reg season games too?
I typically go there
Usually there’s more for reg. season. I try to find Veetle channels though, they are typically better.
This is of course
If I’m not at a bar ;).
Mallett looked good in one game
then his rookieness started showing in the other 2 games. Kaep will get better.
Seriously....
Culliver got beat……but everytime where the heck is Spillman?? no where that’s where
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again Spillman got used on a run play
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Culliver was in his pocket.
Probably could have done better but not by much. It was just a perfect throw.
yea not to mad @ culliver the rook but Spillman.....throw him away-
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
& another bad angle by spillman on a run play
thats 2 on this drive
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Man kaep seems pretty raww..like pretty raw..
like the hasheem tabeet of NBA and i do hope that doesn’t happen.
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special teams
He’ll be a special teams contributor much more than a safety contributor.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Meet Mr. Joseph
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
i hope that you call correctly.
this is the best game all pre-season
Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...
Tolzien
He’s looking solid against third string players. Good stuff. He is solid but don’t forget Thomas Clayton effect.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
trades
But trading a first round pick? Wild over-reaction.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
gotcha
When I see people throwing “Alice” into any comments I assume they’re just being malicious (my personal choice) so it’s hard for me to tell what’s serious and what’s humor.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Im not a AS hater, never will as longest he is a niner , but I just dont know what to thing about him
While I agree that I think Alex Smith won't pan out,
I am curious to know how long you gave him, if you only gave Kaep 2 months.
I’ll reiterate what I posted a bit ago: my evaluation of Kaep is not predicated on his performances so far; that is just an illustration of what I see as his intrinsic value (or better yet his intrinsic flaws). What I say of Kaep is not a conclusion that is reflexive; there is no writing off here. I never thought he had the capacity to be good, so there is nothing to write off. I hadn’t written anything for him.
I get that
But if you’re saying he didn’t do anything to consider drafting that could be a flawed perspective… Sure he wasn’t a Matt Ryan in college or Peyton, but he did enough in his own right to at least be given a chance. Accuracy and other mechanics may come with some time, but you have to admit he’s done at least enough to be looked at. Whether he was a huge reach is another story.
I accept that
You’re right, if Kaep was picked in the 6th round and was our no. 3 QB this year, I’d still think he sucks but I certainly wouldn’t wast all this cyberspace to explain why I think he sucks. He’d be a non-issue.
years vs. situation
Maybe one year of good coaching can overcome seven years of bad coaching. Just one example. I don’t know if that’s the case, but having a legit offensive coach (who happens to have been an NFL QB) could very well be a difference-maker. No guarantees, but it’s possible.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It very true
that he didnt have the best chance in his 7 years but if the OL gives him a breake this year, he has nooooo moooooreeee !!!! excuses!!!! this is his very last shot to do something
That
And Billy Volek is one of the best backups in the league. Tolzein has plenty of time to sit and learn. Isn’t Volek the highest paid backup QB?
Um
Is this one of those, which one of the following doesn’t belong kind of things?
Well
I think he gives the Seahawks a better chance to win than Tarvaris this year. Then again that oline of theirs will make it difficult for anyone back there.
But no, not a fan.
I agree
He’s nothing special, which is why I listed him last on that list up there. Whitehurst has to be up there with most expensive back ups.
You forgot to mention Brees...
He was in San Diego before Rivers took over…
Third string or no, that one deep pass was a thing of beauty.
Definitely agree with you though. It’s kind of annoying when a QB does something good and immediately it’s “TRADE FOR HIM AT ALL COSTS!”
The scouting reports on Tolz was
… that he didn’t have the legs or the big arm to make QB throws. He sure looked like he was throwing it deep to me. 226 yards. I’m so bummed the 9ers didn’t bring him as a UDFA.
In related news, Adam Froman got cut from the Falcons.
yes
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
at least he's coming off blocks waaaay better than kristick was
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a worse feeling in football than being carted off
telling yourself, “I’m definitely cut now”.
Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen
Haven't been in that position myself
But I can’t imagine there would be much worse.
Who is this Joseph guy?
didnt know we had him on the roster
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"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Alright I have seen enough...
Spillman pack your bags….& i don’t even care what you did on SP last year
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Eh
I don’t know about that. I’d give Goldson a slight edge at this point.
Dang , i want to see Omon ...!!
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Yup , they meet before the game ..!!
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Dang next time i'm gonna wish for the lottery ...!!
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About the right time he should be too
Harbaugh knows what he’s doing.
This might have to be true .....
and I’m saying that just after last week I wanted to see CK start
Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen
Come'on Ziggy.......one time!!!
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Pretty obvious he is gone
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 1, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope , Wendys still sells them ...!!
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Still a possibility for practice squad.
All McCown did was avoid pressure and do one dump-off. Realize that Harbaugh sees a hell of a lot more than we do at practices.
McCown
Nice little move and dump by the vet….
by Frisco_Kid on Sep 1, 2011 9:08 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
His Bro just tackled Oman
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Nice McCown ... First Down ...!!
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Ziggy...Ziggy...Ziggy
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Miller should be the starting FB
dude knows how to put a helmet on the guy hes blocking
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"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
this
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's important to point out
Alex had a lofty 4.5 YPA in his first quarter. He looked better but the YPA is very poor.
I think I mentioned in the other thread
He really didn’t have to throw downfield much. So we didn’t learn much on that front.
But he did what was asked and managed the drives well.
Totally, but all of those passes were successful in that they ended in scoring drives and first downs.
Also, TD drives. Stats are not as important as actual performance, which you saw as well as we did.
Well that is kinda the mentality in the WCO
Short accurate passes to move the chains and eat up the clock
The greatest coaches can take raw, natural talent and mold it into a legend!
Two drives that ended in two Tds is the more relevent stat ...!!
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3rd down coversions and moving the chains
He did well today.
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announcers
Dennis O’Donnell, Tim Ryan on CBS
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to say
The ghost of Kory Sheets, but Fooch is right
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 1, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
unlike our offense last week
I can’t blame the O-line for their poor performance
Am I the only one who, by and large, likes Tim Ryan. Considering the absence of insight and articulation skills, I think he’s pretty good, especially for a local broadcast.
meh
I guess I just view him as inconsistent….but a lot of announcers are like that.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll concur on “inconsistent” but when he’s on, he seems to say less stupid things than everybody else.
says "less stupid things"
It’s a great standard we have for announcers. Amazing how few really good ones there are at times.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, the announcers objective is to appeal to the casual viewer and not to alienate most viewers by sounding to “smart” or “elite” or whatever word you want to use. So guys like us lose.
And
Some of them do that a little to the extreme.
We owned the AFC West in Preseason!!!!
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by Frisco_Kid on Sep 1, 2011 9:19 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions 2 recs
1st thing Spillman had done well all night
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Adams always seems to be a few steps late
I think i read something that said he was only 70-80% right now.
Kim Koyle is hard to look at....
Not trying to be mean but i know theres gotta be better talent than her out there on the market!!! CUT!!!
by Frisco_Kid on Sep 1, 2011 9:21 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
i think he will
he did earlier in this game. our o-line gets beat up the middle a lot which makes it harder to scramble
finally something good with his postioning
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Culliver baby
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Don't know you might want to put Dobbs with that CO player of the game
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Hunter
Kendall Hunter had a monster first quarter.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Offensive Line was monsters too in the first half
esp. Chilo the beast
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Somebody tell Morgan
That is how you catch a ball coming down like a punt.
And they said i wasn't going to see a McBLT sighting
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i like the look to the sideline
it can’t be that confusing, hand off right, hand off left…
who knew
1) first team O would kick so much ass
2) Kaep would suck so bad
3) McCown would do that well
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
That MBT is hilarious
The name on his back barely fits on his jersey. Goes all the way to the shoulders.
3rd down pass rush defensive line-up
LE- Dobbs
NT- Justin Smith
RE- Aldon Smith
LB- Parys Haralson
ILB- Novarro Bowman
ILB- Patrick Willis
LB- Ahmad Brooks
CB- Carlos Rogers
CB- Chris Culliver
S- Donte Whitner
S- Madieu Williams
How many sacks will they get this whole season? I predict 52.
You can call me a homer
but I can see Bowmann making the pro bowl this year. A converted OLB with pass rushing skills playing the TED next to Willis is a good combination.
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Weed doesn't make your eyes yellow, silly
by SanFranciscoKnights on Sep 1, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
No Just blood shot!!
"You have to reinvent yourself each year, ... What helped us was that there was some turnover each year." Bill Walsh...
Can I get a McPass??
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He threw deep
but he was 1/4lb of torque too low and Hastings had to hit the db in the mcribs to stop the pick
smart not to go for it...
just run the clock & get out of here quick with no injuries
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Elway: “You really remind me of me, John Elway, the best quarterback ever!”
McBLT: “Thank you sir!”
Elway: “How would you like to play for the Broncos, my team, the best team ever?”
McBLT: “Yes please!” (signs contract)
Elway: “I will turn on you like I turn on everyone else, and I will eat your children and you will be my 6th string QB by the end of the week.”
Did Gore play any?
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I can bench 540lbs
for 1/16th of a rep… maybe
540
Once the spotter helped me lift it up it would crush my chest.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Our offense
might look like this if we can keep JH around for a few years and get everyone on the same page.
Tolzein is picking these backups apart...
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still a completion...
moving chains something we are looking for from our starter
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And
No team in the league is going to not give that permission. That is a formality.
Not true
The Bears did it this year http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/14/bears-deny-titans-permission-to-interview-offensive-line-coach-m/
Cordinator
You don’t deny guys HC positions.
And either way, that is still poor business by the Bears.
Because they have a contract
It IS required. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a formality in most cases.
If you can’t understand this, I’m not going to continue going in circles.
And anyway
Your original point was that the 9ers let Norv go. It isn’t even close to the truth.
All other 31 teams in the league would have let Norv do the exact same thing, guaranteed.
OC versus head coach
How many times do HC positions get denied?
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
wish he'd stayed
But he wanted to be a head coach again. I don’t think anything short of absurd money would have made a difference. And even then, Norv’s made plenty of money in his career
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Extremely impressed with Dobbs
Aldon Smith showing much improvement as well. I think we got something in Cully, given a few years.
He's not
Nelms…duplicate numbers in preseason.
Nice D Cory Nelms
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Tolzein...
and nope
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
One consistent thing throughout most of the game
Decent pass rush!
HGD
Hunt, Gather, Dominate (Hunter, Gore & Dixon)
/FFFUUUUUUUUUU rum!!
GHD...
we got performance enhancing drugs in our backfield bitches!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope they will have some stud NT in next years draft, we need our BJ Raji
by SanFranciscoKnights on Sep 1, 2011 9:44 PM PDT reply actions
Ian Williams??
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lol say how you really feel??
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
ha.....actually they are the one team that I have some respect for
going into this year’s NFCW battle cause of “Sam the Ram” and his development
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I really think that we'll split the series with them...
And both sweep the other teams… The only question is who wins the early game, and who wins the week 16 one?
May be the difference in winning the division…
I thought Ryan was pretty good for preseason
He gave us the latest Jeff Garcia talk, staple of SF preseason chatter.
he was better than the moron who was put beside him...
That guy couldn’t get a name right, or pull a competent sentence together…
Not me but the DVR is..
"You have to reinvent yourself each year, ... What helped us was that there was some turnover each year." Bill Walsh...
NFL network in an hour
"You have to reinvent yourself each year, ... What helped us was that there was some turnover each year." Bill Walsh...
Word
I was thinking 8 hours in the opposite direction around the globe lol
by SanFranciscoKnights on Sep 1, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Im stayin up cuz its the Niner broadcast
More focus on the red and gold damn it
In conclusion, great game to watch. Enjoyed every minute, and much more ready for the season to start.
I’ll be cheering with you all after our inevitable rout vs the Seahawks. Wooo!!!
What do you think Alex Smith & Phillip Rivers talking about at the end?
I mean it is Smith’s home town after all
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I was thinking along those lines.. definitely something about women or kids
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Hope Kirstik's injury is not serious
No starters injured in preseason games. I pronounce this preseason a smashing success for the Niners.
by Mood_Indigo on Sep 1, 2011 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope he's not injured either
but I really don’t think he’s a quality backup
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
this
wish you well, get well but good bye
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 1, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I wa s really imoressed with McBLT
he knows how to use his knees.
by Ni9er on Sep 1, 2011 9:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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Find any little tiny thing they can to bitch about.
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like explain alil
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Just do a bit of reading.
I think it’s quite obvious who they are.
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ha ok
understood
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And I am not even going to get it started.
I am just going to enjoy the victory. There’s now 10 days without 49ers football.
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10 painfully slow days
At least we have college football this weekend :). And NFL games in a week!
Yep.
Can’t wait. Week 1 of college football usually isn’t great though. It usually kicks in about Week 2
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there you go...
enjoy it. I did too. Definitely a boost of confidence for the offense to build on going against SD 1st team D. Also the rooks had a good showing
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except for Rojo of course
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Smith got player of the game
interesting to see what the write ups are tomorrow considering this is the first time we’ve really seen anything like our offense
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That's because he has a coach that cares about the position and has obviously been working with him.
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That 1st team defense was bringing it too.
Oline looked good tonight. Staley looked like he was playing the game with bad intentions tonight. I liked it. Hope he plays like that the rest of the year.
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I loved how when Joshua Morgan was in a scuffle
on the sideline the ENTIRE O-line got in there… They just looked NASTY out there tonight… They were pissed about last weekend for sure…
Morgan is always in those.
I think he is a big trash talker out there.
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True, but he's kinda got an o-lineman mentality...
It was just nice to see all 5 guys get in there and keep San Diego off their guy…
The O-Line Was Down For It
I couldn’t agree more. They had attitude and it showed. They pushed the bolts around and locked on their targets with urgency. The guards mauled!
I was really happy to see them finally get pissed and get the lead out of their britches.
even with the pressure
moving the pocket was very helpful. It seemed as though they were designed that way.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
We actually had a pocket for once.
I think next week though, he’s going to really feel it. I think Carroll is going to try and emulate the bombing the Saints brought in week one.
I am sure Fangio is going to push back though The Seahawks Oline is about as durable as house of cards. We at least have a 50/50 shot with ours.
I expect a lot of screen type stuff to Lynch and Forsett. They seem to do their best there. But in losing Carlson, they now only have Zach Miller to worry about. Nota duel threat.
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Not so sure about the pocket. I have to watch again
the first time through it looked like quick throws and moving the pocket. I don’t remember any long drops or deep routes being protected
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I have it recording right now.
I’m gonna let it go for a bit so I can FF through the commercials. NFLN plays the same 4 or 5 and it really becomes obnoxious.
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yeah I know I hate that
I’m just watching through. Its only the first two drives or so.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Not the first time... it's just been about 15-20 years since we've seen that.
That was a nice looking old school looking WCO. I am sure there are going to be a ton of wrinkles put in throughout the year though.
They probably have about 30-40% installed I would guess. And we probably saw about 5-10% of it tonight.
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LOL yes that man did and ran with it to gain some yards
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That was amazing.
It looked like a rolling boulder that hands popped out of somewhere.
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realistically, I think Morgan will play more snaps...
But Williams will get in on the action plenty…
And Dobbs makes the 53 now… That guy EARNED it tonight…
seriously...
I think he and Ray McDonald can really make that side of the d-line tough to deal with if Brooks and Aldon keep coming like they have this preseason…
maybe...
but I don’t think he took 1 snap against a 1st string left tackle all preseason… McNeil didn’t play tonight, so that was their 2nd and 3rd guys he was eating up…
McDonald has actually been pushing his man around too… D-line is better than what people were worrying about…
I might not have been watching,
so correct me if I’m wrong. I didn’t see much of Aldon in pass coverage situations, which isn’t as huge of a deal because he’s a pass rusher, but I would have still liked to see his progression.
nothing specific...
he made a few zone reads, but he wasn’t left on an island like last week…
I think Harbaugh legitimately game-planned for this one…
No, I think he will be used sparingly on pass plays.
He will be brought in as a pass rusher until he gets it down. I think he will be there by the bye week to go full time.
It’s gonna take a bit for him I think. Right now they are just going to build his confidence first.
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There's no question Dobbs is on there.
Not too sure about Ian Williams though.
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Ya, I think it's a toss-up
between him and Tukuafu for the 53rd guy on…
Man, see... I dunno about Tukafu.
He really has not done much to impress me, or stood out much. If he were gone, I don’t think we’d miss him too much with Dobbs and RJF on the team.
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Exactly...
But I can easily say the same about Williams… One will most likely take a spot on the 53 though… But Tukuafu will prolly be easier to get to the PS…
It really just depends a lot on other positions.
Who they’re going to keep where, how many and all that. If they see more value in keeping a 6th WR, then they may go that route, if they want to keep 7 defensive linemen, then they could go that way. They have pretty much decided I think at this point who the 53 will be but there may be one or two after looking at the film that they decide to keep on.
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Dobbs will be one...
If he was on the bubble before, he’s popped it…
As for Williams, I am not sure what he has done to get a roster spot either.
I saw him pushing the Oline around a lot tonight and that is what you want from a Nose Tackle. So… there is potential.
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It's easy to get wrapped up with other names...
But Williams and Tukuafu are both strong guys who push guys around, but don’t come off blocks very well… Williams can play nose though, so if I had too, I’d give him the nod…
Good hint that
No one really has a clue.
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