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Where In The World Is Vernon Davis?

SAN FRANCISCO, CA - SEPTEMBER 18:  Vernon Davis #85 of the San Francisco 49ers runs after a catch past Sean Lee #50 of the Dallas Cowboys at Candlestick Park on September 18, 2011 in San Francisco, California.  (Photo by Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images)

The San Francisco 49ers (1-1) are struggling to find their groove on offense in 2011 under new head coach Jim Harbaugh. In two games, quarterback Alex Smith threw for under 200 yards in both contests, though he has not turned the ball over. I believe the inability to get anything going in the passing game is due to the absence of Vernon Davis.

Physically, Vernon Davis is as extraordinary at tight end as Randy Moss was at the wide receiver position. Unfortunately, Davis has been unable to significantly contribute to the offense yet this season. And while the 49ers were able to get by in week one versus the Seattle Seahawks, Davis' 2 catches for 18 yards against Dallas hampered the offense in week two. The Pro Bowl tight end was shocked, saying, "I didn't think that was going to happen since their secondary was banged up."

When Harbaugh came to town, the word was the offense was going to improve and feature a lot of creativity in getting the tight ends the ball. This remains to be seen. And with as much fire as the quarterback has been under, it was surprising to see Smith not target his usual safety net in Davis.

I also don't want to avoid the fact that the running game has been anemic, making it more difficult to establish a rhythm in the passing game when there's no ground threat. Even with that being an issue, Davis is dangerous any time he has the ball in his hands. The majority of the yards he has gotten so far this season have been after the catch. He is a rare breed in that he can take it the distance on a quick slant or take the top off the defense.

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Not to mention, the 49ers fans love Davis, so perhaps his involvement last weekend would have excited the Faithful and silenced the numerous Cowboys fans in attendance. He is such a dynamic player, that without his contributions, the 49ers chances of winning drops considerably. Typically, when Davis is having a good day, Frank Gore is having a good day, which means everyone is having a good day.

Those two players are "49ers Football." That's what this team is about, and this dependence on the back-up receivers or attempt to prove something by having Alex Smith throw to just about everyone but them, is absurd and will not lead us to victories. Davis needs to be more involved and the staff needs to deliver on some promises by getting him involved in creative ways that result in splash plays.

It's not that Smith shouldn't be spreading the ball around, because he should, but he should not be neglecting the offense's greatest playmaker. Granted, Smith only completed 16 passes, but if 6 of them were to Davis, I think it would have been a different ball game. With the west coast installation, the name of the game is getting the ball into the hands of the playmakers. "I've been in this position before. In order for us to win, we have to get everyone involved," Davis said about ball distribution.

I would expect some offensive adjustments for next week against the Cincinnati Bengals. I think it's time Davis gets it going in the offense and Alex Smith finally breaks 200 yards passing in a game for the 2011 season. To me, Davis' non-presence is as shocking as Antonio Gates going catch-less against the New England Patriots. Coincidence that the Chargers lost that game?

The tight end position is important, and the teams that have the good ones (San Francisco, Dallas, San Diego) need to use them in order to win games. Not because they can't win without them, but because that special element they bring to the game will increase their chances of victory. I can't see Davis continuing to be a non-factor, so look for him to be a contributor in week three when San Francisco goes on the road versus Cincinnati.

 

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Well, part of the reason the pass rush from the Cowboys was so ferocious was that they didn't have to respect the run.

Our on last couple of drives, their pass rush was getting to Smith very consistently, creating negative plays.

So unfortunately, it’s not just about changing the playcalling. The team needs to find a way to be effective on the ground.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

This "respect the run" stuff...

I seem to recall that during that at times during rhe 80’s (might have been 90’s) that the Niners lacked a really effective running game and were still able to move the ball using quick slants and the short passing game to get the ball to the h-backs in the flat before the rush could get to the QB.

This in turn opened up some running lanes as the defense adjusted.

Is it simply that the team has not had the time to be able to implement this kind of timing-based quick-pass attack?

by ColoradoNiner on Sep 20, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Until the last two Siefert years -

- the worst running attack the Niners had once Walsh got his system going was “average.” At times we had an elite running attack, at other times an average one, but it was never really bad.

I wrote about this elsewhere today, but the game has changed. Teams now play to take away those slants and seam patterns, so offensively you have to create room for the slant, either with a dangerous deep game or with an effective running game.

But I also suspect that the short offseason and WR injuries have limited the effectiveness, since those are the patterns which require the most work between QB and WR to get down.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those teams also had Jerry Rice

The underneath passing game opens up when the GoAT is threatening every level.

by hammystyle on Sep 20, 2011 3:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great offense for TE’s? Not looking like it!!!

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by rlott#42 on Sep 20, 2011 7:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Can someone look at?

Where Vernon was on the various sack plays? I distinctly remember one play where he was just starting to turn around when Alex was getting hit. Most of those sacks happened so fast there was no time to “beat the blitz”, but I’m wondering if there’s more to it than that…

by mcbain220 on Sep 20, 2011 7:41 AM PDT reply actions  

once this team can get the ball rolling on running downs

the 9ers will be formidable opponent.

Also, if they can time their runs right, and use a little more creativity pulling and swining guards and tackles, then the sort game will open up.

This will help Vernon tremendously, but so far I am in the same boat as Vernon. Suprised.

Im actually glad how he approached the situation, more logically then like most WR/TE’s would have. He pointed out an actual fact about their secondary, and did not really say he was so much so dissappointed than he said just suprised. This really shows how nuch he has grown up right in front of our eyes.

Most PassCatchers would have just complained about the lack of touches, without really providing a reason except they want or deserve to get the ball.

While I am sure VD feels this way, he is smarter than that to say those things, instead he focuses on a weak point of the opposing Defense, and was just wondering why it was not attacked more often.

With all this being said, I am tremendously excited about what the future holds for this team, this year and especially next year. As a fan it is a good feeling to know next year the same coaches will be back, and I am 100% sure the players feel even more strongly towards that way.

If the 9er offense can get VD some touches, with the emergence of Ginn, Willimas, Morgan, Delanie, Braylon here, and Crabs coming back this offense has no more excuses as to why they should not put up atleast 25 points a game.

9er areas of concern: 1.O-Line blocking schemes, 2.2ndary health and their ability to communicate and gel together
3. The big play threat

These areas can all be easily fixed and have at times shown themselves as possible. The only key for 9ers is to remain consistent and gather some confidence, and with their great coaching staff, like I said, the 9ers will be one hell of an formidable opponent week in and week out

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by chicagobullies on Sep 20, 2011 7:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

poor play design

I still think that we will see better plays as the season progresses and the team gets more familiar with the play book and Harbs gets a better feel for the NFL game. I have limited resources on my DVR (1 angle most of the time) but on a lot of our pass plays our receivers were running down the field looking away from the QB until they made their cuts. More than once Alex was under pressure or sacked before they began to break. In contrast, a lot of teams will have a safety valve or two who run routes diagonally or parallel with the LoS so the QB can neutralize blitzes or strong rushes by getting the ball out quickly and still hit the receiver in stride. This may also have to do with the route runners not adjusting their routes properly or it may just be bad play design. Hopefully when the coaches “look at the tape” they will recognize that and make adjustments.

by odiez42 on Sep 20, 2011 8:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Adjustments

1. Kendal Hunter needs more touches. Try some sweeps. Try some outlet passes.

2. Smith need to adjust his vision . . .but that’s not going to happen. As usual he missed a lot of open receivers deep, and especially deep down the middel since they were talking away the edges. And I’m talking about on plays when he had time to throw. If he had hit one or two of those a lot more things would have opened up from there. I know Vernon usually gets to go deep down the middle, but we had guys open running similar routes and he didn’t see them.

by Since79 on Sep 20, 2011 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Try some sweeps. Try some outlet passes.

It doesn’t necessarily have to be Kendall Hunter they try this with, but I agree.

by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pathetic

you will just find any excuse to blame a loss on Alex Smith. I mean seriously dude, you need to get over the fact the he is our starting QB this year and stop with all of the hating. Did he steal your lunch money or something? lol

by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 20, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's already started off better than last year

and that is with having a shortened offseason. Now I am not saying he is going to all of a sudden turn into a Hall of Famer, but haters just blindly close their eyes and ignore any improvements or positive play from him and that is annoying, especially when they repeat the same crap throughout every thread. Also, just because he hasn’t lived up to his draft position doesn’t mean he can’t get extremely better, sometimes it just takes the right situation. He is only 27 and there are plenty of stories of guys coming into their own, later into their career, even though they had a rough start.

by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 20, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

nce they get this Offense installed, Vernon will have a big part to play

TEs figure heavily in most forms of the WCO , as did the Stanford TEs and I’m sure Vernon will too once they get the plays down. He just needs (as do we all) a little bit of this .

by suffrin9erfan on Sep 20, 2011 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

One thing I noticed

Was that on a couple plays Alex Smith got turned into compost, VD was wide open for what could have been signficant gains. I deleted the DVR recording and will never watch that game again, but I do remember on two plays seeing VD open on the replay as Alex Smith was getting spiked into the turf. That was probably one big reason why VD was left in to block so much.

I’m not trying to make excuses for the vanilla play calls, just finding reason behind it. We see so many short passes from the 49ers, because the OL can’t hold up for long routes. I think one of the reasons we see VD block so much, is because if he doesn’t, Alex Smith will become cripple. I agree that the OL needs to take care of business, but in the interest of winning, if they aren’t, someone has to step in and help.

We have to remember we don’t have the best team in the world, and the OL isn’t quite where it should be yet (I think some of this you can blame on the lockout, but not much). Having said that, both TEs need to be utilized and it was good to see Walker make good on his opportunity. Also, Moran Norris really does need to go.

by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2011 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

good points

At some point in the press conf yesterday Harbs said he wanted to be a running team, than added balanced afterwards. I’m thinking that is part of the problem. When they line up w/ 2 wideouts and everyone else in tight it gives the defense more opportunity to blitz and Alex less opportunity to find someone open. I would love to see the 49ers use more spread formations with VD and DW in the slot or wide out, then pass AND run out of those formations. It should make it easier for Alex to read blitzes and spot open receivers and if the defense spreads to cover passing lanes should open things up for Frank. It would force the defense to man up if they blitz and I think we could find some match ups that we like; VD, Braylon if he is healthy, DW vs LB, etc.

by odiez42 on Sep 20, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

i can't agree with this more

what you are describing the best way to use the type of offensive talent we have, in my opinion. we should exploiting their strengths instead of trying to force a straighter line to the end zone like simpletary

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by brooklyn49er on Sep 20, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I noticed this, too...

and there have been times in the past when we wondered where VD was, and it turned out they needed to keep him in as a blocker to compensate for the o-line’s weakness.

by Bigmouth on Sep 20, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bad thing about seeing VD against the Bengals

Is that the only lb that can cover him is on that team. Manny is probably going to be matched up with him the whole game. Could be a big game for Delanie if the O line can win their one on one battles

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by EcERyda69 on Sep 20, 2011 8:49 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm told by some serious Bengals fans that they can't cover TE's worth a crap

their safeties are not how you say, Good.

Getting beat by making mistakes hurts the worst.

by Tre9er on Sep 20, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

So is everyone saying now that we just need to be patient and wait till next year? Because that is what some of this sounds like.

I guess the we are going to go 10 and 6 talk was a little premature and this new amazing coach and offense that we have that is going to make the difference and give us 4 more wins this season isn’t going to happen.

Our Johnson is bigger and better than LA's Johnson so suck it.

by cush52 on Sep 20, 2011 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

we can win the west this year

I think to be a real contender we need a few things to happen:
1) O-line needs to get better.
2) Defensive back field needs to get better.
3) Pass rush needs to get better.
The big question is can we do these with the current personnel. My gut is no, but I’m hoping that the coaching staff can improve these guys over time and that as people get used to the schemes it will also get better.

by odiez42 on Sep 20, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

um, exactly who was talking of a 10-6 record?

I suppose you are speaking for yourself. Many of us who are happy to have Harbaugh predicted a 7-9 and to 8-8 record. I’m still sticking to my 8-8 prediction. I’ m seeing significant improvements in many areas of the game.

2 more wins over last year is the result of the greater influence of the added positives (better coaching, better play-calling) over added negatives (lockout, new play book, overhauled defense).

Niners will still win NFC West because of injuries to the Rams IF the Niners can stay relatively healthy.

by Mood_Indigo on Sep 20, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is where I am too...

…though I don’t yet see any significant improvements anywhere except special teams.

by Bigmouth on Sep 20, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

ST is the area that generally the quickest to improve (or deteriorate)

To my thinking, the two areas that take the longest to show improvement are the two areas where the players have to have excellent communication and understanding among themselves. Those are the O line and the defensive secondary Unfortunately, until the O line reaches the comfort zone, the entire offense is working with one hand tied behind its back.

Ever since the lockout was lifted I thought that it would be mid-season before we saw significant improvements in the Offense. However, i already see two important improvements. More efficient QB play, and fewer mistakes. Both of these are confidence-building improvements,

by Mood_Indigo on Sep 20, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

turnovers, penalties, clock mgmt

I’d argue are better thus-far

Getting beat by making mistakes hurts the worst.

by Tre9er on Sep 20, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

You don’t see a much more effective passing game than we had last season?

Alex Smith’s completion percentage is currently over 70. His YPA matches his career high. His int% is the second lowest of his career.

I don’t mean this rhetorically, but how is that not improvement?

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alex is doing a good job it is just to bad that our offense in general is awful. His completion percentage is good, but I wouldn’t think to highly of his YPA as that maybe a career high but it is still in the bottom half of the NFL. The problem we have is that there is about 10 QBs with more completions then we have attempts and we have less yards than most of the rest of the teams. Here is our average per game right now and how that would be for a season
Per Game:
15/22 152 yards 1 TD .5 INT
Season:
240/352 2432 yards 16 TD 8 INT

Our Johnson is bigger and better than LA's Johnson so suck it.

by cush52 on Sep 20, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I agree with you that there are other parts of the offense which are major problems -

- the running game is killing us right now. That’s killing a lot of drives and reducing the number of attempts we have. (Also bear in mind that the ST touchdowns reduced our total yardage/attempts by taking away two offensive possessions. Over the course of a season, that doesn’t mean much – but over the course of two games it will artificially deflate your projections).

But I was reacting specifically to bigmouth’s comment that he didn’t see any improvement outside of special teams, and, really, that’s just silly. There is improvement. There is also regression (in the running game).

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with this...

…but I do have to wonder if our conservative passing game isn’t helping the run. It’s a tenet of WCO philosophy that passing opens up the run.

by Bigmouth on Sep 20, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

But I don’t necessarily feel like our passing game is that conservative anymore.

This last weekend we had 24 pass attempts, gave up six sacks, and had Smith scramble either two or three more times, so a total of either 32 or 33 called pass plays. (I’m trying to remember if one of Alex Smith’s runs was a called run, or if all three were scrambles. I think they were all scrambles but might be wrong).

That was balanced against either 21 or 22 called runs. So we’re at about 61% pass.

The two players targetted the most were Ginn and Morgan – our wideouts. (Braylon would almost certainly have topped that list if he stayed healthy, since he was targetted twice in very limited action). So I don’t feel like we were calling a particularly conservative set of plays. We didn’t take a lot of shots down the field once Braylon went out, but I’m not sure we should have. I didn’t feel like the passing plays we called were particularly conservative. (Few designed dumps to Gore in the flat, and did they ever run that little two yard sideways pattern to Vernon which I can’t stand?)

Ultimately, it seems to me that we were effective when we were passing the ball against Dallas, but struggled when failed plays (sacks and stuffed runs, mostly) put us in bad situations.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

simply put

lack of production on 1st down = killer. This was not just failed runs, but also passes last week. I think the niners had some good success early, perhaps confusing the Dallas defense for a couple of drives, but once they got our number (blocking schemes? Some other pass/run tell?) we were done.

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by zenbitz on Sep 20, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know...

…I’m getting a little sick of you calling opinions you disagree with “dumb” and “silly.” I’ve bent over backwards to respond to you respectfully even when I think you’re saying really stupid things.

by Bigmouth on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair point.

I’m going to try to do better. I get frustrated when people seem blind to obvious things going on in the field. Claiming Alex Smith isn’t showing improvement – which seemed to be what you were saying, although I know accept that it’s not – is just wrong. He clearly is.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said "significant" improvements

I see some slight improvement in some areas, but I think you put way too much stock in Smith’’s high completion percentage and low INT rate. It’s like when Sam Bradford came into the league. The Rams ran a very conservative offense that maximized completion percentage and minimized turnovers, but at the cost of some actual production.

Yes, his Y/A matches his career high. But both his Y/A and and AY/A are basically the same as last year. So, again, not much improvement.

Right now, our pass DVOA is 2.4%. Last year, it was -.7%. That’s an increase of 3.1%, which isn’t what I call “much more efficient” or a “significant” improvement.

Finally, Smith’s addition to our Win Probability has actually declined. Last year, he cost us -.02 WPA/Game. This year, he’s actually costing us -.03 WPA/Game.

by Bigmouth on Sep 20, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also...

…Smith’s Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt is .7 yards LOWER than last year. So, again, I’m not seeing much improvement there.

by Bigmouth on Sep 20, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

My prediction was 6 and 10 for the season. I remember in a previous thread that there was what seemed like quite a few people who were regular commenters saying that we were going to win every game in the division and were going to get 10 wins during the season. When it was suggested by some of us that they maybe a little to high of a win total we were told that was dumb because teams like Dallas, TB, Giants and Browns would be easy wins as they were way overrated. There was one guy saing we would win almost every game by 14 to 20 points and sometimes more.

Our Johnson is bigger and better than LA's Johnson so suck it.

by cush52 on Sep 20, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Harbaugh has a pass for this season, but it's still frustrating to watch them give away a 2-0 start.

I don’t even think most ppl thought the 9ers had any chance to win vs the Boys…that fact that we really gave the game away is promising. I just don’t think we can contend with Alex as our QB…no defense is scared of him and he looks afraid to make the big play. I know everyone is in love w/ Cam Newton right now, but that guy did throw 3 picks sunday and is 0-2…at least he’s not afraid to take chances.

by Coretete on Sep 20, 2011 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

hmmm

not afraid to take chances, 0-2, or playing above average and 1-1 (should be 2-0)? I think I’ll take the latter lol

by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 20, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think we can contend with Alex as our QB…no defense is scared of him and he looks afraid to make the big play.

Huh.

Yeah, he looked really scared on the play that led to the PI call.

Tony Romo’s big plays came because of defensive breakdowns. Alex Smith, on the other hand, was getting smothered by the pass rush and got no run support and had his top two WRs out of the game and still put up decent numbers.

The problem in the game was not the play of Alex Smith. It’s not even on the top-five reasons we lost the game.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

He was on the run, and he gunned it to Frank in the end zone. That throw was gutsy and excellent.

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

partial agreement

Smith made some plays. But he did not have an outstanding, or even an average game. DVOA had him at replacement level last week. Replacement level is bad. It’s the definition of an average backup.

The entire offense is sickly, and the QB is a big part of the offense. Is it a top-5 reason? Well, the top 1 reason we lost the game is because the offense s.u.c.k.s. Let’s say that passing offense is 60% of offense in todays NFL. Let’s say that Passing offense is 10% coaching, 30% Receiving, 30% OL, and 30% QB. So Smith is directly responsible for ~18% of the offense, and that offense sucks.

You can quibble about the numbers, but there is plenty of blame to go around. Is Smith the worst player on the team? On the offense? Certainly not. But he’s not helping.

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by zenbitz on Sep 20, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He does need to do better

But he’s already light years ahead of where he was with just a couple months of Harbaugh.

And be cautious about using DVOA this early in the season. The D part of the equation is pretty shaky this early in the season and these games will be greatly devalued by the time everything is rolling mid-season.

by Ougadas on Sep 20, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

light years?

I will note (might have commented in another thread) – Smith does have a career high CATCH % this year. And to my eyeballs I think his accuracy has been better. Only one or two “Alex Smith Special Overthrows” so far.

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by zenbitz on Sep 20, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice to know your ( That Guy ) ...!!

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by Edggy on Sep 20, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Screens!!!!!

The,niners need to figure out ways to beat the rush… If they threw more exotic screens and three step slant routes to keep the defense in their toes with the blitz. Then alex wouldn’t have been on his back 6 times. And we would have giving our offense opportunity to run up the score.

by Zintzun22niner on Sep 20, 2011 9:06 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

We've tried a couple of screens and misdirection passes -

- this season, and so far they haven’t really been effective. The other teams have seemed to sniff them out pretty easily. NOt sure why.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

screens are difficult for the OL to execute

This is one thing I would expect to get better if the OL can stay healthy and together for another season or two.

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by zenbitz on Sep 20, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harbaugh just said on KNBR

that Vernon was constantly double teamed. The play where Delanie got single coverage and scored the TD was one of those occasions.

6 sacks has a lot to do with Vernon not getting the ball.

Honestly Vernon disappoints me when he has the ball in his hand. He just isn’t a good open field runner. He doesn’t sense when someone is behind him, when to turn on the speed, doesn’t get up field quickly enough. He waits too long for blocks for a clear lane when he should just be beasting. There is no reason Lee should EVER catch him from behind.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Sep 20, 2011 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Yea

For such a physical and explosive specimen you would think it would be hard to tackle the guy. Ever since Polamalu took out his knee a couple years ago he looks to avoid contact and goes down to easily. Like Deon says it could be a “business decision”

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by EcERyda69 on Sep 20, 2011 9:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yup. Vernon is upset because Witten came to his house and had a much better game than he did

Perhaps the press and fans should stop paying attention to his complaining and try to understand what actually happened, One would think that press who have a good view of the field from the press box would be able to educate the fans.

by Mood_Indigo on Sep 20, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Witten understands a lot more about being a reciever in space

Vernon just doesn’t know how to position himself and seems clueless about where the 1st down marker is.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Sep 20, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Completely agree but much of that can be fixed with coaching down the road.

Davis has the talent and works hard. Right now the offensive coaching staff is focused on executing a part of the playbook while keeping Alex upright. I think Davis will be doing a lot of blocking this weekend on the road, too.

by Mood_Indigo on Sep 20, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

there was a couple of plays where he looked a little lost before the snap of the ball- ie, lining up wrong………. also who was to blame for that INT the passer or the route runner??

by forwardgunner49 on Sep 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vernon didn't look doubled to me on that play but it doesn't matter

Delanie had a LB on him single covered on the sideline…that throw gets made every time.

Vernon had the seam but it was tight. A year or two ago that would have been thrown to VD no matter what happened with Delanie.

Getting beat by making mistakes hurts the worst.

by Tre9er on Sep 20, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see all of our players perform like

NE counterparts…

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Sep 20, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair point

We don’t have Brady delivering passes, but using more 2 & 3 TE sets would be a good idea. A man of Walker’s talent is habitually under utilized by the Niners.

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by fjm on Sep 20, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

problem is we lost our good 3rd TE

and we haven’t found a replacement

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Sep 20, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well they attempted to find a 3rd one before the game

but you can’t expect a guy to contribute much with 2-3 days of practice with the team under his belt

by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 20, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

yup

i just hope they can survive until the bye week (3-3ish) and really get things going afterwards

by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 20, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would also like to see the O Line pass block like that of NE

..or for Alex to recognize defenses and chance protection at the LoS just like Brady, so he has time to throw.

by Mood_Indigo on Sep 20, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well -

- it’s really hard to have an effective pass protection scheme when you have no running game, and you’re constantly in long-yardage situations. These things are all connected.

But while there were a couple of occasions when the Cowboys brought the house defensively, by the second half they were getting good pressure from their base defensive sets, without heavy blitzing. So in those circumstances you can’t just see it coming and change your protection.

(Of course, every time Smith does change up the play, and dump to the quick outlet, somebody on NN derides him as “captain checkdown.”)

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spin, spin, spin

Keep railing against the run game like its holding back the passing game. For christ sakes the way you spin it opposing defenses are playing nickel and dime coverage the entire time and the run game can’t take advantage. The complete opposite is the truth. Defenses are stacked to prevent the run and the passing game has done nothing to break them of the habit.

by bignerd on Sep 20, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

But I would blame the running game for being unable to put us in 2nd and manageable and being unable to take over when we have the lead and run down the clock.

Failures we experienced against Seattle and Dallas.

by Ougadas on Sep 21, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would agree 1st down running has been putrid. At times they have moved the ball running on 2nd down.

by bignerd on Sep 21, 2011 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the problem

2nd and 6 is a much better position than 3rd and 6.

by Ougadas on Sep 21, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just wait a couple more weeks

I’m not bringing any judgment to the table about offensive performance here for a little bit. We saw improvement from last week to this past week (aside from the number of sacks) from the offense. I think we will continue to improve as we go along and I really do think that having a new offense and new coaching staff in a shortened off season makes things a bit tougher than we really know.

We gotta have some time to work out the kinks.

by renke81 on Sep 20, 2011 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Again

This argument would have some validity if the 49ers were actually running a different offense from 2009 or 2010. Wait a couple more weeks and they will start to run effectively against 9 in the box and explode the score board being adverse to passing?

by bignerd on Sep 20, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right now we are pretty boring to

watch. Until they can figure out how to get the ball down the field and loosen up defenses the 49ers will continue attempting to run into 8 man fronts. I understand the idea that Walsh used to run when it looked like pass. Unfortunately they forgot to make it look like pass first. The defenses seem to be saying stop Gore and we will take our chances with there passing game. The 49ers need to get some respect for there passing game. When they do Gore will find more holes to run through. If Crabtree and Edwards and VD dont excell we can expect a lot more of what we have already seen. We need all 3 of those guys on the field making plays to establish the threat, which will open up our running game.

by rileyg1 on Sep 20, 2011 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

We weren't generally facing 8 man fronts on Sunday.

And we only faced them occasionally a week ago.

Other teams are stopping our running game without overloading against it. That’s the biggest single problem with our offense right now.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some people are saying they see Iupati getting a good push.

I’ve seen him get stood up a few times, it seems like he doesn’t get his pads low enough, although I’ll admit I’m not focusing on him every play.

But the rest of those guys just don’t seem to be getting it done at all.

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of TE, did anyone see the 23 personnel package that Stanford used agaisnt Arizona on Saturday night??

That’s right, 23 personnel grouping, no wide receivers! Then they had two of the three tight-ends run free and executed a pass play for to one of them a long gain(or for a TD, I forget). Can’t do that in NFL, but it was awesome to watch!

by Mood_Indigo on Sep 20, 2011 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Our TE's

Are busy helping the opposition overload the box, and when they run routes waiting desperately for Alex to hit them. He under threw the TD pass to Delanie and completely botched the throw to Vernon that was intercepted. Vernon and Delanie are better than Gronkowski and Hernandez – what’s the difference? Brady v. Smith

Almost silly to put it out like that.

by 40Notion on Sep 20, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

He under threw the TD pass to Delanie and completely botched the throw to Vernon that was intercepted.

The throw to Vernon looked like the two players read the defense differently, and thus Smith threw it to a place where Vernon wasn’t going.

I don’t understand how you can clearly assert that the misread was on Smith’s part, and not Vernon’s. I’m not saying it was Vernon’s fault, and honestly even if Vernon went where it looked like Alex thought he was going, the pass was going to be not spot on. But if the fault is the differing reads, how do you know that the flawed read was Smith’s?

by Ronaldinho on Sep 20, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

that play reminded me of one of the Crabtree attempts that went for INT last year vs. Seattle

he turned out instead of in, it seemed

Getting beat by making mistakes hurts the worst.

by Tre9er on Sep 20, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Smith threw it early

Why I cannot blame him for holding the ball the rest of the game which contributed to a few more sacks.

by bignerd on Sep 20, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just noticed, for as much as Vernon is not getting the ball thrown to him enough and he was not in that game, he still leads the team in catches and yards.

Also Ginn has more return yards then Smith has passing yards and just as many TDs. Not a knock on Smith, that is how bad our offense is. WOW!

Our Johnson is bigger and better than LA's Johnson so suck it.

by cush52 on Sep 20, 2011 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

I am not sure what you mean. You are talking about progress week to week, but how is giving up more yards in the second half then we have gotten on offense in both full games combined progress. I just don’t understand what you mean.

And yes we could be 2-0 but we aren’t, coulda woulda shoulda doesn’t matter.

Our Johnson is bigger and better than LA's Johnson so suck it.

by cush52 on Sep 20, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

lets face it we have seen it with the saint and not the cowboys

everyone is bringing 6, 7. rushers they are not scared to bring the house.

they know our LOLine won’t hold long enough for smith to get rid of the ball. and they all come hands high knowing smith is known for getting balls batted down.

thats why u see smith looking for the swing pass out of the back field all the time its all he can get off at times.

play calling is vanilla but its because theres no rhythm offensively,

its not like ur seeing just three down lineman coming on every down its consistent pressure.

i remember they were analyzing jason campbell and when he feels the pressure he looses sight of the WR’s and once that happens he is going down. i feel its the same with alex they don’t just stand in the pocket make the throw and if they get hit so be it. but the ball gets out. seldom if ever do you see smith standing back there taking shots and getting rid of the ball. when he gets surrounded he goes down.

by whitemike1644 on Sep 20, 2011 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

i'm not saying bench smith

but when he doesn’t have time u see it. i look at rivers and brady and big ben those dudes get NAILED :::pause::: on making some of those throws, but they get rid of the ball.

so i think unless we get a colts/patriots kind of Oline smiths numbers are not going to change that much. he needs less pressure then other qbs.

hell look at matt cassel he looked like the next hall of famer with the patriots not hes with the chiefs and he cant even get rid of the ball he looks terrible.

by whitemike1644 on Sep 20, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh and maybe no one noticed but romo gets rid of that ball quick!

now i know why he is better than smith, he doesn’t worry about the pressure he throws the ball wayyyyy before it can even get there.

by whitemike1644 on Sep 20, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

offense

JH needs to get a change of pace in the back field, and get KH more involved in the game. KH ca hit the edge’s of the line with speed instead of FG always running up the gut for 1 or 2 yards. defenses will have to adjust to KH hitting the edges when he’s in the game, and that will open up play action for VD and our other reaceivers down field. The play calling reall does remind me of last years play callig with MS as coach, and we all know how that turned out!!!!

by 6MC9ER on Sep 20, 2011 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

You cant expect too much from an offense

When we have Ginn as our #1 WR. I would have loved to seen what Braylon could of done against that Dallas secondary.

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