Eagles Injury Report: Michael Vick, Jeremy Maclin Hurt In Loss To Giants
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2011 7:30 AM PDT
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PrintFooch's Note: Andy Reid says Vick's hand injury is a contusion not a fracture and if swelling goes down, he could play this week.
Given the importance of injuries in the outcome of games, I've decided to start a new weekly feature taking an early look at the previous Sunday (or Monday) injuries that will affect the 49ers upcoming opponent. The Philadelphia Eagles are the first such opponent and they really took one on the chin yesterday. The Eagles lost to the New York Giants 29-16, but more importantly for the 49ers, lost quarterback Michael Vick to a broken hand and wide receiver Jeremy Maclin to a hamstring injury.
Vick suffered his injury in the third quarter after what I would think was a late that sent him to the ground. He landed awkwardly on his right hand and as this video shows he then grabbed his helmet. There is no word on a head injury, but he will be getting a CT scan today so we'll likely hear something later today. My guess is the Eagles will not say much beyond "he's day-to-day."
I suspect Vick will be limited in practice and then listed as questionable this Friday, but we won't know for sure if he'll play until Sunday. If there is a broken bone he'll have at least a brace of some sort, if not a small cast. That makes for a troublesome grasp on a snap from center. If Vick is unable to go, Mike Kafka and Vince Young are the two backup options. VY was inactive yesterday but could be the guy who would get the start given how poorly Kafka performed against the Giants in limited play.
The other significant Eagles injury saw Jeremy Maclin leave the game in the fourth quarter with a hamstring injury. There has been no official word yet but Eagles beat writer Jeff McLane made it sound like odds were slim that Maclin would be ready. Hamstring injuries can be tough to overcome so Wednesday and Thursday practice reports could tell us a lot. If Maclin is unable to play, the Eagles could go with some combination of Jason Avant and the other Steve Smith opposite Desean Jackson.
The Eagles remain a tough opponent because of the talent on defense. However, if Vick and Maclin are removed from the equation, or at least somewhat limited, this game is suddenly a lot more interesting. That's not to say it becomes some kind of must-win, but it goes from likely loss to question mark status.
While some comments would indicate some folks prefer tanking and not wasting time with a playoff spot, I'd have to disagree. I want a playoff spot even if it means getting laughed at by the rest of the league because it's some sort of training wheels playoff spot with the NFC West. If the Eagles game becomes even a little bit more manageable, that's huge. Every non-division win is monstrous in this train wreck of a division. It's as simple as that.
You could make a strong arguments that a game against a full strength Eagles team would tell us more about the 49ers even in defeat. At this point, I just want victories. I think this team is headed in the right direction, so moral victories in defeat really don't do much for me anymore. It's time to get more Ws. If it's against a weakened opponent, so be it. Given that the 49ers have been hosed on some calls this season, a weakened opponent or two seems like reasonable compensation.
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No reason to tank the season for a rookie qb, that would put us back another 2-3 years. Win now!!! These guys are showing a lot of emotion let’s show them support!
by ninersince94 on Sep 26, 2011 7:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yeah who knows if Harbaugh even wants Luck?
What if hes thinking “Imagine if Barkley or Jones had the grades and desire to play for Stanford”? Point is, Harbaugh didnt overweight his Stanford guys in this yrs draft, so while we know all of Luck’s strengths, he may be one of the few people who know his weaknesses and will draft accordingly.
no team would ever tank an entire season
there might be enough players who “give up” with 3-4 games left to “tank” those games though.
by whistlingmountain on Sep 26, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Teams on the rise have to get some wins *before they get good.
It builds confidence so that they can forget about mistakes and trust the scheme when things go wrong or the pressure mounts in the 4th quarter.
I hope 2011 is Harbaugh-some!
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by grantmp on Sep 26, 2011 7:40 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No Guarantee Even If You Could Tank
(Some other team would do worse). Character is built by winning hard games. If the Raiders can beat the Jets, by gosh 49ers can beat Eagles!
NFL.com was reporting Vick as out.
He should be out 3-4 weeks. As for tanking, I think its probably too late for Luck. The Colts won’t win much this year. But hey, if they win the Luck contest, maybe we’ll win the Manning contest.
Colts, Chiefs, Dolphins, Vikings, Seahawks
There are quite a few teams that are in tenuous positions with talent/schedule.
Even with a bad season at this point the 49ers will win 6 games. I have a hard time seeing more than 8 without some big luck. That being said, they got some big luck against the Cowboys and it didn’t matter.
by whistlingmountain on Sep 26, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Vick's injury counts as luck.
The way this season is going, I would not be suprised to see the Niners win or lose any of their remaining games. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think I’m most worried about the Lions. All the other games I could see a Ted Ginn Jr. play being the deciding factor.
I'm interested to see how the Redskins do tonight
as they have appeared to be the best team in the NFC East. They dominated the Cardinals and kept them in the game with silly mistakes.
Aside from that, it’s big play teams that scare me when it comes to the 49ers because they are both susceptible to them in their pass defense, and they do not produce them with their passing offense. Teams that have this big play ability on the 49ers schedule? The Eagles, Lions, and Steelers for sure. The Ravens whipped out their shiny new toy and big played the crap out of the Rams.
The Giants, Redskins, and Bucs have decent offenses, but I don’t know that I’d describe them as big play oriented. I think they, and all the other games, will essentially be ugly coin flips until something fundamentally changes with how the 49ers offense performs. Probably illogical to expect better than “around” .500 in those games.
by whistlingmountain on Sep 26, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
the biggest threat to the Niners has been the deep ball. If the Eagles have Kafka under center I have a hard time believing they will connect on the deep ball (only because I don’t believe one team could have that many decent QB’s on their roster in the span of two years).
The Lions scare me, not just because of Calvin Johnson, but because I think it is highly likely that Suh might actually eat one of our O-Lineman. They don’t stand a chance against their front.
The Steelers have big play potential but Big Ben doesn’t protect the ball well. Our defense has been opurtunistic in the past. Either way, I’d be happy with .500 outside the division.
I want to win
But if we don’t change personnel on the O-Line right NOW then it won’t matter. Wins will be great. The D is playing well. I thought Spencer had a great game yesterday in his first solid playing time of the season.
But if we don’t make changes on the line, our RBs won’t be able to run, and with Alex Smith as our QB — not the fastest decision-making QB in the league — I worry about his health and safety. I mean, I hate him as the 49er QB, but I love him as a person. I want him to be healthy, and with this line, it’s really unfair. He is in literal danger. And as much as I am pining my hopes on CK, with this line, CK would look like a bum. So would Andrew Luck! So it’s time time to make changes on the O-line.
As far as playoff experience, I don’t think that makes a difference. I mean Seatlle went to the playoffs and beat N.O. But that didn’t mean anything. Once they let go of Hassleback the team is garbage. On the other hand, no one is going to tank the season for a draft pick unless you have only one or two games left. And even then, I just doubt that any coach — with his job always on the line — can afford to think that way. So I think all this talk is dumb.
How do we fix the offense? That’s the big question right now. I have seen nothing to make me believe this year’s O-Line is better or even as good as last years’. And losing Bass might have a role in that, but really, they are ALL playing badly right now.
Might have to give Boone and Kilgore and Person a shot. Shake things up. Add some fear of losing a job if someone isn’t playing well. May even have to change the OLine coaches. I know Solari has a great rep, but where’s the results after two years? This is just not acceptable.
No reason to tank.
I like Kaepernick as our future. We really need a cb opposite Rogers, and we don’t need to tank for that.
by wtlichens on Sep 26, 2011 8:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Vick out would be huge. I already don't know
how we are going to cover Desean. Alex Smith sure isn’t taking his O-Lineman out to dinner anytime soon since they are hanging him out to dry! Also, it’s not going to be easy bringing a QB in knowing that they are going to be obliterated every other play!
I don't know that it matters much
49ers play their worst against patient pocket passers. On top of that, Reid has proven over the years that he can produce big games with backups, particularly against the 49ers.
I’m expecting a really really aggressive defensive game from the Eagles. Could be even uglier for the 49ers offense than the last few weeks. They’ll probably try to get McCoy going in the passing game with screens, as I don’t see him being at all successful running the ball.
by whistlingmountain on Sep 26, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Eagles run defense
The only Eagles game that I have seen this year is the Rams game, where their run defense looked really iffy. Have they improved in this regaurd?
by Andrew Hutchinson on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions
they gave up 4.1 yards per carry against the Giants
and the falcons ran 4.4 ypc but their lbs aren’t very good so throwing it to the RBs and TEs will be better than actually running it.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
They're going to be heavily playing the run against the 49ers
lots of run blitzes, leaving corners on islands ( because they’re good corners ).
49ers are going to have to establish a passing game in the middle of the field, attack the linebackers with the tight ends, maybe slide Hunter out there. That’s where the 49ers will move or not move the ball, in the middle, against the linebackers.
by whistlingmountain on Sep 26, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
they won't against the 49ers
when it’s 8 in the box vs the sad 49ers offensive line
by whistlingmountain on Sep 26, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
But lets be honest
The Eagles front 7 isn’t anywhere near as good as the Bengals, Cowboys and Seahawks. The Eagles defensive line is undersized, DE’s play almost an 11 technique, and their LB corp is abysmal. This unit is the glaring weakness of the Eagles. This is a team the 49ers can potentially push around even with 8 in the box.
I'm being honest, if the coaches think that
we’ll be watching another game of 1 yard rushes.
Their linebackers will be up, it will be difficult to run until they exploit it.
by whistlingmountain on Sep 26, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Atlanta and New York showed how to do it.
Want to run, put 3-4 receivers on the field taking away the safeties and extra run defenders.
Want to pass, go double TE with full back than throw over the middle to these players.
In short, keep attacking the LBs in isolation the entire game.
Hunter will make the difference
Excited to see this fellow play a whole game. Against the Eagle’s poor LB’s he could total 100 plus.
Update on Vick...
Vick’s hand is bruised, not broken. I’m sure Fat Andy won’t reveal who his QB will be until game time. You know, Fat Andy is so smart, smarter than anybody in the NFL. My guess is that the Cry Baby plays. Poor Vick, he’s getting hit more than Brady, Brees, Manning, etc. Hum, he didn’t mention guys like Freeman, Newton, Campbell, T. Jackson. I wonder if the refs have it out for them, too.
BTW, STOP with the talk about tanking games to get Luck. Those of you who actually gave this idea any amount of thought have no clue about the NFL. Absolutely no clue. You must be in high school. Do you think for a millisecond that Patrick Willis or Justin Smith give a s*** about getting Luck next year? They’re highly paid, proud, pro bowl football players.
Fooch, you should ban all “talk” about tanking the season. It’s moronic.
banning
I haven’t banned it because I figure people can recognize it for what it is.
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Or our own Alex Smith
he took a helmet to helmet hit from Clements on his bootleg run, and of course no call
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 26, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
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would throw a tournament so he could draft a rook.
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It WOULD be nice to see the offense with a healthy Edwards and Crabtree
Of course, their performance would depend on if Alex got more than 1.5 seconds to throw lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 26, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta do things differently and teams will back the hell outta the box.. doesn’t matter who the WR’s are, they’re all capable.
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Don't you know? Harbaugh told us already.
He had a small procedure, he’ll be out a little while.
I had heard 3-4 weeks, but I think that is still speculation. Haven’t heard exactly what the injury was, something in the knee, possibly a sprain of some sort?
by Virginia9er on Sep 26, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully sooner than later… hate the vagueness by the coaching staff bt I understand their position.
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