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Fooch's Note: Thanks to Jacson from Field Gulls for putting together this rundown of the 2011 Seattle Seahawks.

I hope you'll pardon an intrusion from the Pacific Northwest -- I'm Jacson and I write for Field Gulls, the Seattle Seahawks' SBN site. The 'Hawks and Niners are not very natural rivals, as some time ago the then-fringey Seattle franchise was grafted into San Francisco's division during the NFL re-alignment and probably seemed like more of a nuisance than a threat to you guys at the time.

Funny things began to happen, however, as Seattle started to run off a string of divisional titles which, in the NFC West, is like winning a bunch of beauty contests in Oakland (see, we all hate the Raiders). Nevertheless, the 'Hawks and Niners went from two kids who only kinda disliked each other because our dad didn't like your dad to two kids who met at the flagpole for a fistfight every recess. A legitimate rivalry emerged and I won't lie that I took extra pleasure in Seattle's waxing of San Fran in last year's season opener and was equally dismayed when the Alex Smith Revival Show dismantled Seattle at your place.

For the 90th straight year, the NFC West is as wide open as Tony Siragusa's mom during childbirth (mental image!) and this Sunday's match-up has a very good chance of significantly affecting the order of things at season's end. With that in mind, I'll point out some things you can look for out of the Seahawks when the two teams throw down this weekend.

Star-divide

Like many teams in the NFL, much of the conversation among Seahawks fans centers around our quarterback situation. Perhaps the most under-appreciated element of fanhood is having a legitimately quality QB under center for your team. You guys know this as well as anyone, as a quick trip through Niners Nation indicates that Alex "Not Aaron Rodgers" Smith is a consistent topic du jour here. Things are even less certain for us up north, if you can believe that, as Tarvaris Jackson graduated from re-warming Brett Favre's tea in Minnesota to running a real live NFL team.

There's an old saying that the back-up QB is the most popular guy in town. Nowhere is that truer than in the Emerald City, as sports-talk radio shows are filled with fans calling for Charlie Whitehurst to start six months after the same fans were ready to run the Clipboard Messiah out of town. To be honest, Jackson has been less than impressive this pre-season, but it's tough for anyone to be impressive when every three-step dropback turns into THIS.

Much has been made about Seattle spending so much money this off-season on guys like Sidney Rice, Zach Miller, Robert Gallery, and Brandon Mebane without spending big bucks on a quarterback. This has led many to wonder where Seattle's priorities are as no one (myself included) seems to see either Jackson or Whitehurst as a franchise-type guy. Here's why I'm not worried: I don't think Pete Carroll brought Jackson in as the QBotF; rather, he brought in a mobile guy who can survive behind a brand-new offensive line for one year while the front office does everything they can to solidify the rest of the roster in preparation for the heralded QB class entering the draft next year.

This means that you guys can expect to see your boys put a lot of pressure on Jackson on Sunday, as Seattle's offensive line is a work-in-progress in the truest sense of the term. No single projected starter on the Seahawks' O-Line has ever played a game with another member of the line. Think about just how crazy that is. Between Russell Okung, Gallery, Max Unger, John Moffitt, and James Carpenter there is plenty of talent, but their experience is indirectly proportionate to said talent level and the 49ers have the blessing of being the first team to attack the virginal unit.

Our running backs are a source of excitement for 'Hawks fans, but, like a quarterback, they are ultimately dependent on the O-Line to give them room to do their thing. The Seahawks boast a trio of considerably talented tailbacks in the crazy-as-a-schizophrenic-rattlesnake ` Marshawn "Beas Mo!" Lynch, ESPY nominee Leon Washington, and Justin Forsett (I don't have an awesome highlight for Forsett, so here's a video he made for his wife). I think all three are capable of handling a moderately heavy workload, but I anticipate a time share of about 60-30-10 on Sunday, with Lynch getting the bulk of the time and Washington handling most of Marshawn's reprieve.

Seattle's receiving corps is brimming with size and potential as the 6'5" Rice is a legitimate deep threat and the equally tall Mike Williams causing match-up problems within 15 yards. The inconsistently dynamic Golden Tate is a talented, if undersized, threat as the #3 receiver and Miller offers All-Pro talent at tight end. The problem, again, lies with the O-Line's (in)ability to give Jackson enough time to go through his reads.

Defensively, Seattle is hoping to improve upon it's mediocre 2010 performance, but has the benefit of more continuity than their offensive counterparts. The front seven, while not nearly as formidable as San Francisco's, is capable of making life tough for Smith and Co, as the D-Line brings back edge-rushers Raheem Brock and Chris Clemons and interior hogs Mebane and Red Bryant. When both Bryant and Mebane were healthy last year, Seattle's run defense was top-notch, so it'll be interesting to see how they handle Frank Gore and, to a lesser degree, Kendall Hunter.

The 'Hawks run a hybrid 4-3 Under defense that rotates a lot of D-Linemen in and out while occasionally replacing a DE with an outside linebacker. The result thus far has been a haphazard amalgamation of overzealousness, as the scheme calls for strict assignment integrity, something that the Seahawks often lack. The linebacking crew lost erstwhile captain Lofa Tatupu to a contract re-structuring, but can still claim ball-hawks Leroy Hill and David Hawthorne as well as our 2009 fourth-overall pick Aaron Curry. Curry's contract also underwent a dramatic restructuring that ultimately makes 2011 a make-or-break year for him with the team, so it'll be interesting to see what he brings to the field with his next deal on the line. Look for a lot of ball-chasing that will result in plenty of gang-tackles, while leaving the defense susceptible to misdirection or extended plays by Smith. Also, don't be surprised if you see rookie KJ Wright peeling himself off your ball-carriers a few times.

The secondary is shockingly young, with former Pro-Bowler Marcus Trufant offering the only serious veteran presence. He'll be charged with covering your #1 WR, while either second-year project Walter Thurmond III or 6'4" CFL graduate (and tallest CB in the league) Brandon Browner covers the other split end. The starting safeties are headlined by future Pro Bowler Earl Thomas and mack truck Kam Chancellor. Both are instinctive guys with a nose for the ball, but where Thomas' otherworldly quickness allows him to gamble, Chancellor is very vulnerable to getting beat deep. One thing you may notice is that Seattle runs a lot of 5, 6, and even 7 DB sets on passing downs, where a whirlwind zone coverage is accentuated by blitzes from the secondary. The onus will be on Smith to make quick decisions in those situations and the 'Hawks are banking on him getting flustered and making a mistake.

The special teams are whatever, because all kicker/punter combos are significant only as far as their home team's fans care to consider. Our punting duties will be handled by the comical Canadian Jon Ryan, while the place-kicking will be done by journeyman Steven Hauschka who was brought in last week after my favorite douchebag and former 49er Jeff Reed was dismissed for being unable to produce touchbacks in the stupid new world of NFL kickoffs.

I hope that was helpful. I still don't like you guys any more than I did when I started writing this, mostly because you smell funny, but I am really looking forward to kickoff all the same. I'll stick around in the comments section to try and answer any questions you have.

For what it's worth, I'm heading down to the Bay Area (Walnut Creek) for my annual fantasy football draft and am trying to scalp some tickets to the game on Sunday. I look forward to having cheap beer dumped on my head by one or many of you. Cheers!

Follow Jacson on Twitter @JacsonBevens and Field Gulls @FieldGulls.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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"What's your deal??"

Why pick on Tony Siragusa’s mom?
You wanna know what makes me smile, having confidence that Pete Carroll is trying to tank at the QB position in hopes to draft Andrew Luck – the guy OUR coach recruited and coached.

"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"

by bonbrillio on Sep 8, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

My guess is that it'll be Luck over Barkley if they're both available.

But even though I only see 5 or 6 wins for Seattle this year, I don’t think they’ll be bad enough to bein a position to draft Luck.
Landry Jones is a very realistic choice, too.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will hate you forever if you guys get Landry Jones.

BUT…. I think once it is all said and done, Jones will be getting picked before Luck.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

I think even if Jones had a better season than Luck, he wouldn’t be able to overtake him as #1 at this point.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jones has a lot more in common with Clausen then Luck

Not as high on Luck as Barkley, but he is definitely a better prospect then Jones.

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

How so?

Details… not seeing it.

Luck has issues with his 15+ yard passes and his mechanics are still a little rough around the edges. Yeah, he plays in a pro offense but Jones’ mechanics and accuracy are there all the time. He’s more of a finished product than Luck at this point.

Don’t eat up everything you hear in the media. Have eyes for yourself.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are you kidding me

Luck has some of the best stats ever acquired in college football. Virtually every scout that has looked at him says that he is the second coming of Peyton Manning. Any rational/logical person can look up the numbers and see that he is right now better than Jones. I have read multiple scouts questioning if Jones is even a first rounder and that he has a lot to prove this year if he wants to be. Jones plays in a gimmic spread system that has only produced one pro QB and lots of flops. So I will go ahead and stand with the rest of the smart people and say Luck is a better prospect then Jones, right now. I would ask you to prove that Jones is better, because I have not heard a single commentator or scout say that. Not one. I have heard a couple say that they think Barkley may be better, he just is a year or two younger, but will pass up Luck.

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Let's talk after the season.

That’s all I have to say to you.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

I will still have my farm.

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Doubtful

Very doubtful

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also,

Your comment on Luck vs. Barkley clues me in to your knowledge of NCAA football. Barkley is the same age as Luck.

Everything in your comments is ESPN said, or scouts said (btw, if you have access to what scouts say, you’re one up on everyone in the NFL), etc, etc.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant age of development

Luck is further along in his development. Age at this point is kinda irrelevant, ceiling is.

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

stats

I am an Andrew Luck fan but the argument for making Luck the number one pick should not be based on stats. Ty Detmer and Tim Rattay put up some of the greatest passing stats in college football history. Projecting a player into the NFL based on stats is not a good idea.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

True

Luck is still a better prospect than Jones. I like Barkley better, but I can’t produce evidence, so I don’t take a ridiculous stand like your friend here.

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

He coaches at the line of scrimmage,

and he can lay the lumber like Largent did on Harden. He’s fast. Smart. Good arm.

Best prospect since Manning.

70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

by hazbro24 on Sep 8, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it was implied that he wasn't judging solely on stats.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 9, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

implied

Hard to imply anything on the Internet. And leading with best stats just makes it hard to judge it.

by David Fucillo on Sep 9, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope we get Barkley, just to really piss off the USC haters.

Of which, it must be said, I was certainly one, prior to us getting Carroll.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Sep 8, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be the farm right now that Jones is drafted in the late second early third

After the scouts take a close look and realize that he isn’t half the QB of Sam Bradford and his numbers are merely inflated by the system and team that he was on.

Barkley is the answer.

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he can coach Colin Kaepernick into something too while he's at it.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 12:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

90th Straight year?

Obvisouly the shehawks weren’t in our division in the 80’s and early 90’s when we dominated the divsion. If they had then maybe you would have remembered it and maybe use a more realistic number! When I see you make a comment like that and I can’t even take you serious in anything you say.

Un-like last year, I am Not going to try and predict the record for 49ers! Just that we will win the NFC west this Year...

by Ten-Man on Sep 8, 2011 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

*Sigh*

I’ll be sure to use the sarcasm font next time.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't think that using the nickname "Shehawks" is appropriate at all.

Especially when coming from a fan of a team whose own nickname is so easily changed to “69ers”. You have been warned.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, no offense to you guys, but your team plays its home games in San Francisco.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a cool city and all, but, come on.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I like San Francisco, it's a cool city.

It’s just that basically everything you can say about Seattle – our hipster community, our hippie libs, our weirdo laws, etc. – you can say in spades about SF. We even had the forethought to locate our own Oakland, which we call Tacoma, far, far to the south of us so we don’t have to look at it very often.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I lol'd so hard.

Tacoma really is terrible.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 9, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The whole city smells like piss.

I’ve spent a lot more time there than I’ve cared to.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 13, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, never in my time in Tacoma have I noticed a

tiresome piss smell.

Seattle, on the other hand…yeah……..

I don’t live in Tacoma (but am much experienced in it as I went to university near its environs), so feel relatively unbiased on this topic

by redwolf75 on Sep 17, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, all's I'm saying is that he who roots for a glass football team...

…wait, what?

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glass?

Don’t talk about your offensive line like that… give ’em a little more credit, eh?

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You know better Jacson,

legitimate football discussion starts to go off the rails when we are discussing TJax vs. Alex Smith in the “What’s Your Deal” bowl. There will be very little legitimate football played in this game. I’ve been predicting Patrick Willis to be the leading scorer.

70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

by hazbro24 on Sep 8, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, that's an original one.

I still revel in its wittiness.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

yea well we heard all the names before too. in the end what matters the most is who wins. at least we both can agree that the 49ERS will win on sunday.

by chris z on Sep 8, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I agree.

I don’t think the Seahawks are prepared enough.

Our only shot lies in the defensive line. They’ve been quite good so far this year, and from what I’ve read, the SF o-line has been very inconsistent.

If our D-line can win that battle, I think the Hawks have a shot to win.

I’m not terribly optimistic we come out on top, though.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoa whoa

i am not falling for that trap- i thought we’d win last years week 1 battle…
i do agree, the O and D lines of both teams decide this game and I’m not ready to put too much confidence in the ones in red yet. fool me once..and what not.

should be a entertaining game though.

by Aarrgh! on Sep 8, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That it certainly will. I expect a lot of mistakes on both sides of the balls.

Fumbles, picks, oh my! =)

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

hah very true

entertaining as in awfully generic, “what else could go wrong” 90’s family comedy movie.

by Aarrgh! on Sep 8, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd disagree.

Last year everyone and their mother expected the 49ers to blow the Seahawks out in the opener, and if anything I think both teams are more evenly matched now.

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd disagree.

I think nearly everyone and their mother expected the 49ers to beat the Seahawks in the opener, not “blow them out”. It is always tough to go to Seattle and leave with a win. It seemed that everyone assumed, in my opinion correctly, that the 49ers had a more talented team, and felt that this would be enough for a win. The problem then is that every NFL team is full of talent, and the Seahawks were better coached, and also played better in that game. Hence, we lost, badly.

I’d say they are evenly matched enough that I would be a little bit surprised, and very disappointed, but not at all shocked if the Seahawks win this Sunday.

"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez

Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?

Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.

by jbrown63 on Sep 8, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL!

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

what is wrong with the number 69?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 8, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Virgins get flustered

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

um...

What do you think guys, should we tell him?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Sep 8, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just tell him to google it.

"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez

Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?

Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.

by jbrown63 on Sep 8, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah

Judging by his sig, the family guy sex ed class will get around to it eventually …

Duck hunting season has officially begun.

by S_o_Smith on Sep 8, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a married man

I’m here to tell you straight up that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the number 69.

by smileyman on Sep 8, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is one of the best comments I have ever read on SBN.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 9, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not a prime, so [site decorum] it.

"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez

Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?

Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.

by jbrown63 on Sep 8, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a prime

But it is the product of two primes.

by OffensiveInterference on Sep 8, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice catch!

If the primes were only much, much larger, that product could be suitable for cryptography.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Sep 8, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

To get back to 49

Also a product of two primes and a perfect square.

I use two sevens to seed my crypto algorithms. Same formula Raye used to keep his play calling so unpredictable.

by OffensiveInterference on Sep 8, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

True enough, but just not good enough.

[Smile Face]

"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez

Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?

Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.

by jbrown63 on Sep 8, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't even know what to say to this.

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

Matt Kemp - NL MVP Clayton Kershaw - NL Cy Young

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by mikeinsp on Sep 8, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting.....

It was a good read. How much of it anyone should buy is the question. I’ll bet you are an attorney.

by ninernutt on Sep 8, 2011 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha

It’s always tough be to be accurate when the team hasn’t played a real game yet, but these are all observations based on preseason action, focuses in practice, and statements from the coaching staff and front office.
Always a chance it could be way off.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word

We’re all going to feel silly when Alex Smith and Tavaris Jackson represent the NFC in the Pro Bowl this year.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Sep 8, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ha

Are 10 other NFC QBs gonna turn it down?

by Virginia9er on Sep 8, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

because the probowl is going to be moved from Hawaii to Western North Dakota in an effort to expand the NFL’s market. Ever been to the Dakota’s in January/February?

by reedkrase on Sep 8, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most likely that's what it takes

I’m just saying, if that were to happen… We’re all going to feel silly.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Sep 8, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the write-up

It’s always good to hear an informed fan talk about your friendly rival. What are your thoughts on Seattle’s final 53? Any positions that are a little less deep than expected (or usual)?

by Method24 on Sep 8, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Lots of thoughts on the final 53

Most of the cuts went as expected, but I guess I was most surprised to see safeties Josh Pinkard and Mark LeGree let go without being retained on practice squad. I saw a lot of upside with those guys.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also,

The restructuring and subsequent release of Lofa Tatupu was a bit startling at first, but made a lot of financial sense when you recognize the team’s priority of freeing up money from former GM Tim Ruskell’s signings/overpayments in order to have cash available for the youth movement.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice job ... sorry that you think that we "smell funny"; I myself am not sure which smells worse ... a dirty, grimmy gold miner, or a shiting and divebombing seahawk!!

As for questions:

Now that Schneider and Carroll have been on the case going into their second year, and with the massive personnel changes that they have made, how are Field Gulls people (i.e., the serious Seahawk fans) feeling about the regime? Generallly right direction? Not sure? Damn, we need another change?

by 49erFanSince1950 on Sep 8, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Generally right direction.

They’ve been pretty open about admitting this is Year 2 of a three-year rebuild, and I think a lot of the fan base understands that. I buy in to it. I would’ve hated to see them say “hey, we were a playoff team last year, let’s go get a QB to put us over the top” and spend franchise money on the position when there weren’t any franchise guys available.
The exciting thing to see his the seemingly high level of buy-in the players have with Carroll, which is a nice change from the way everyone checked out under Jim Mora Jr.
Say what you want about Pete, he’s a hell of a motivator.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd echo Jacson - right direction.

If you look at the 1. average age and 2. amount of sheer talent, this year’s roster is far younger and stocked with far more talent.

The FO’s mantra seems to be build a quality team THEN install a quality quarterback, most likely a rookie.

It’ll be a much softer landing next season for a rookie QB when he’s playing behind an o-line (with no one drafted later than the 3rd round) has played a year together, he’s throwing to talented guys like Sidney Rice, Mike Williams and Zach Miller, and he’s handing the ball off to dynamic backs like Leon Washington, Justin Forsett and Marshawn Lynch (if he’s re-signed after the 2011 season).

I mostly support this rebuilding method with the caveat being: they better get that QB and quickly. If they wait past the 2012 draft, I think things may start to fall apart.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

100% right direction.

The previous regime was all about overpaying for old vets are drafting a bunch of low-upside undersized players.

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 12:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Check your facts homeslice

Carroll took over an 11-5 Parcell’s team and got worse each and ever year till he flat-lined at 8-8 and was canned. 1997-1999.

Parcell’s 1996 = 11 – 5
’97 =10 – 6 (-1 game)
’98 = 9 – 7 (- 1 game)
’99 = 8 – 8 (-1 game)

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

He took a playoff team and took them out of contention in the short span of 3 years. The hype will die down in Seattle too. He pumped them up for one year but all the players will eventually all see him for the phony pony he is.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read as: excuse

They were an 11 – 5 team… one more time so maybe it will sink in 11 and 5

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

And they were 6-10 the year before that. Records flucuate, it's a chaotic game.

You can’t say he ran anything into the ground unless you honestly—honestly, now— believe Belichick turned that Patriots team into a dynasty in less than 18 months.

by SgtSasquatch on Sep 8, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is not a presidential run… things don’t start taking place 3 years after a coach leaves.

You can either win with the players you are given, and get better each year, or get worse. And Carroll has pretty much gotten worse everywhere he has gone… with exception from taking a bad team and making them a little less bad… or more or less lucky.

I guess you don’t recall just how many times your team got blown out last year?

If so, I can post about 8 scores from last year that you all lost in that were total trashing’s. Complete blowouts.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

From small samples

you can make big jumps to your conclusions. Bottom line, you are just guessing, or antagonizing.

by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

No I am not.

I am providing facts to back a point that he is not good and hasn’t really had any real success in the 37 years he has been coaching.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

At any level, on any sample size… with exception for a few well-paid years at USC…while they were recruiting players like NFL Scouts with cash…lots and lots of cash.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saying a coach with a winning record

sucks, is a huge jump. There is not a fact in that conclusion.

by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

History has told us to date, he has sucked.

And not just on a small sample size. He’s done it on and at every level. He’s been coaching since 1973, I would think the lights would have gone on by now if he were any good.

But you’re right, there’s always a very small chance that a miracle could happen.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

on and at every level?

Considering what he did at USC I wouldn’t say “every level.”

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

He took over a well-paid college team. If inheritance is success, then maybe the same could be said for Paris Hilton? She inherited a lot of money.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

And again, even at USC...

he knew is time was running thin and bounced before things got too hot.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

improvements

But he still turned a struggling program around, paid players or not. They were a middle of the road team for the four or five years leading up to it and he turned it around. It had plenty to do with recruiting, but even still, to turn it back into a powerhouse can’t be ignored.

Before Carroll, the Trojans had won double digit games once since 1979. Under Carroll they won double digit games seven times (one removed due to the sanctions issue).

Good recruits do require some level of coaching to reach their potential.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

More sales than coaching.

It’s the same reason Kiffin was brought in there. They are good used car salesmen. They will get you to really like the shine of the brand new car, but eventually, and sooner rather than later, that shiny new used car will start to break down.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drew, I don’t mind you bashing the Seahawks fans a bit and you have relevant points about Carroll’s NFL experience, but saying he failed at USC is ludicrous. News flash, every other major program is paying the players, too.

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

failed

I don’t think he said he was a failure. I think it’s more that he doesn’t think it wasn’t Carroll being a good coach that brought them their success and also that he inherited a money program. I disagree, but so be it.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

C’mon…

It’s Los Angeles.

As I said before, schools like AZ, or Oregon State are obviously not shelling out those kind of funds.

Just look at the rosters.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

obviously?

Considering Oklahoma State has one of the richest boosters in America, please don’t make assumptions.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are making the same assumptions. My grandmother was Alumni of OK St. She was not shelling out cash to the football team or any other program athletes…

I kind of resent that assumption and take it somewhat personal.

USC flat out got busted. Miami flat out got busted.

Until someone gets busted, should it be assumed that ALL big programs are dirty? I don’t think that’s fair. There are programs out there (big ones) that run a tight ship and dp things the right way.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant to say she was a booster/ alumni

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, enough's enough

Let’s just call it a day with this little discussion. It’s getting a little too personal.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

comment

I already replied above to his comment about calling people delusional.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

dirty programs

Well I’m sorry if you resent that assumption and take it personally, but I’m going to continue to believe it. It’s obviously impossible to disprove that a team is clean, but that’s life I suppose. I’m not even saying Oklahoma State is dirty just because they have T. Boone Pickens as their most prominent alum. I’m simply saying that I think the major programs are more often dirty than not.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

“Major programs are more often dirty than not.”

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Sep 8, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL at the grandma story. I guess we shouldn’t assume all the baseball players that got huge overnight didn’t use steroids until they get personally busted.

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oregon? You mean the team that Nike has in its back pocket?

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

fine

We’re just going to have to continue to disagree on this.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you're going to argue using idiotic reasoning like this, it's just as easy to say that

Harbaugh fluked into a couple of good years with Stanford because of Andrew Luck and jumped to the NFL because he knew he couldn’t sustain it.

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

reasoning

1. I wouldn’t call it idiotic reasoning.

2. I think there is some accuracy to what you say in regards to leaving Stanford on top talent-wise, but I think the difference is that Harbaugh wasn’t on the verge of sanctions like Carroll. Seems like a significant difference to me.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Technically

Paris Hilton hasn’t ‘inherited’ anything- her folks are still alive.

"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"

by bonbrillio on Sep 8, 2011 11:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not to get over-involved in this...

but I feel it could be argued that Pete underachieved at USC. With all the bought and paid for talent, and all the preseason #1 rankings, he came away with only one “real” BCS championship. I was actually pulling for USC at the time too, because they gave the PAC10 a bit of legitimacy with the whole SEC crowd.

by Sigelvictory on Sep 8, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

talent

Considering so many top level teams have boosters paying players, it’s not an easy topic to figure out.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a Los Angeles market..

It’s not like the University of Wyoming, or Oregon State or any of those schools are cranking out the amount of cash that was shelled out.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

big programs

I get that. There are plenty of other teams around the country though that are. And considering I said opt level teams, what makes you think I was talking about schools like Wyoming? Oregon State maybe, but even they aren’t really a top level team.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

in terms of paying athletes?

Ohio State, Florida State, LSU, a good chunk of the SEC. I’m more of a cynic (or maybe realist) when it comes to teams paying players.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can add every decent Texas program to that list. Honestly, there’s probably a lot more going on than we’d ever imagine. Even mediocre programs get booster sponsorship to some level.

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

well...

Unfortunately you can never prove you’re right since you can’t prove a negative and I can’t prove I’m right without more stories breaking about this stuff.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you know anything about Texas and their relationship with football? My ex’s bro was getting paid at texas tech.

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing about USC

is their dreams of titles always seemed to die with a loss to some team they had NOOOOO business losing to. Don’t fact check me on that though… I’m going off memory, and it is shaky at best.

by Sigelvictory on Sep 8, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever, they were a stuffed 1 yard run vs texas from icing a dynasty

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, I definitely had it right.

He did it with the Jets also; as a DC their defense got worse and the year he coached there in ’94 from 8 – 8 to 6 – 10… and things were getting bad at USC when he got out before the he eventually would have been fired.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

one year

It was one season with the Jets. Too small a sample size in my opinion.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He was the DC there for 4 years previous to that and ran that D in to the dirt as well.

Anyway, I posted plenty of facts to back my point. If Carroll was some kind of football genius, I think it would’ve happened by now. Out of the 9 losses they had last year, 8 of those games were complete blowouts.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter …blind fans want to be blind and think their coach is some sort of football God because he got 3 more wins on a 4 – 12 team.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying Carroll is a Hall of Fame coach,

Football God is in the Hall of Fame
Let blind fans be fans, thats all we have been for the past decade. Let our W speak for itself

by mcwagner on Sep 8, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

So what is YOUR claim?

You think he is some kind of good coach? He has basically done crappy everywhere he is been.

What has he done that is so special anywhere he has been Fooch?

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

my claim

Well, I never actually said he is some kind of good coach. I’m simply saying that it’s not as cut and dried as you seem to think.

Other coaches have struggled early in the NFL and turned it around. How about Bill Belichick? If you want to throw around records like this, in five years with the Cleveland Browns Belichick was 36-44 and got canned. They did make one playoff appearance, but hey, in five career seasons in the NFL, Carroll made one playoff appearance as well.

I will say that I like some of the turnover last year in Seattle and they did go 7-9 after a 5-11 season. Not to say that means nothing, but that is not turning it into crap. I think his energy can work for some teams.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Chicken/egg…

That is guess work. I am providing historical evidence that he has not been good up to this point.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

and then

Possible reasons for struggles in New England are blown off as excuses. I think basing it on records intermittently spread over the course of two decades makes it less of a hard and fast thing.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

3 decades...

And I would say it is pretty close to being that.

It’s not impossible for him to be good. I’m simply pointing out as evidence he hasn’t to this point.

At this point, it’s as likely for me as the Golden State Warriors winning the NBA Championship next year… based on history, that’s not very likely.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I actually agree with you and think it’s questionable he can be successful in the NFL. But some of your comments come across as though there’s no room for argument the other way, when in fact there is some.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was simply using the facts to support my opinion.

And I realize the difference between fact and opinion. But when the facts support my opinion and there is no factual evidence to dispute my opinion, then I won’t be persuaded in to thinking otherwise.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only facts

I’ve seen have been his record and creating excuses for any success he’s had. Yet his USC teams were consistently good, his Patriots teams never had a losing record… Like Fooch, I’m not saying he’s the next Bill Walsh (far from it), but your facts aren’t overly compelling.

Either way, does it really matter? Seahawks fans will like Carroll until they stop. Non-Seahawks fans will like Carroll or not like Carroll until their opinion changes due to some set of circumstances, such as the Seahawks being really good or really not good. So what’s the point of this FAR too involved argument?

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Sep 8, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think he sucks

Don’t like him at all. But its a new day and if Petey kicks our butts then all those facts are lost in the past. It’s been a long time and even coaches progress.

by mcwagner on Sep 8, 2011 1:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why?

Because I provided some facts as to why I think he is and will be a bad HC for them?

It’s not like I am sitting here calling him a sleeze bag or P.O.S. or something like you are making it out to be… If you want to sit here and have a love fest with their fans, so be it… but I am not going to ignore facts.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

At home… Sun shines on a dogs ass every now and again. Lightning doesn’t strike twice though…. and all that.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh the joy

of ignoring the facts that do not support your case. moving on. stick a few pins in your Pete Carroll Voodoo doll for me Drew, I do hate the bastard too.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.

by Arkie49er on Sep 8, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t hate him…

I am providing facts to support my opinion that he sucks. But if 7-9 and a lucky ass playoff win makes him brilliant than my hopes for Jim Harbaugh are even higher than they were before now.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pay attention, the conversation is about Pete Carroll.

And a loss is a loss is a loss. They got it handed to them the very next week… and more importantly all year long.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

well...

not all year long. 7-9 meant they had some wins.

by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

They may have went to the playoffs, but regular season wise, I would take our 6-10 close hard fought losses over their multiple blowout losses.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you would.

I’d be glad if the 49ers sat at home every season with a 6-10 record and all 10 losses were by less than a field goal.

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also 4 of those wins were against the NFCW.

So they were 3 – 7 against the rest of the NFL.

It’s not like they were burning up the NFL and took the playoffs by storm.

There is a whole bunch of context that I think is not being considered here.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nevermind.

Anyway. It’s a pointless argument.

No one ever listens to me until I wind up being right anyway. So TWT… again. As always.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

We listen, but when you treat things and black and white when it’s not that simple, people are going to disagree. Then you go overboard for them not agreeing with you 100%.

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No I go overboard when people ignore facts.

Because when the black and white is there in front of you, and you are still sitting here saying, “Pete Carroll will be great” based on nothing, it’s ignorant.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

I’ve gotten to this point in the thread and am STILL looking for one person to say that Carroll is a great coach. I’ll try to remember to check back and let you know if I find that one person.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Sep 8, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look below ...

Some guy named Drew Kerr just stated that “Pete Carroll is the greatest coach alive!!!”.

Be sure to let Drew know.

by OffensiveInterference on Sep 8, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah!

Well, that IS one!

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Sep 8, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

You pay attention,

Pete Carroll managed to beat the Champs in a playoff game. I’m stating a fact. They also lost the next week, another fact. Every single team besides GB lost. So that means Sean Payton, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin and all the other coaches are bad because they lost a playoff game? So I respond to your comment,

I am providing facts to support my opinion that he sucks. But if 7-9 and a lucky ass playoff win makes him brilliant than my hopes for Jim Harbaugh are even higher than they were before now.

with a comment and you disregard my comment because I’m “not paying attention,” when I’m responding to your comment?

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by afrikabamboodle on Sep 8, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Okay. You got me.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

Glad to see you come around to our side.

Seriously though, no one is saying that.

by bigtrain21 on Sep 8, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate Pete Carroll.

I just dislike the way you’re disregarding our Seahawk guest’s opinions and what not :)

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by afrikabamboodle on Sep 8, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I am happy with the roster turnover

And appreciative that he led us to a playoff spot while rebuilding. Nothing more, nothing less.

No once is saying that Pete Carroll is the greatest coach alive. He is a very good coach though.

by bigtrain21 on Sep 8, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So what are you saying?

Win’s and Losses do not matter?

It doesn’t matter what kind of game manager, or motivator, etc he is if it does not result in the W.

You are sort of providing a strawman argument there.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that what you were implying above?
They may have went to the playoffs, but regular season wise, I would take our 6-10 close hard fought losses over their multiple blowout losses.

If you would take 6-10 over 7-9 and a playoff win then clearly win and loss record does not matter.

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by afrikabamboodle on Sep 8, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Mike Singletary got fired.

Get back on the road. You are straying far off topic here.

Of course wins losses matter. I was refering to the context of those losses. While Seattle was getting blown out in losses the 49ers were barely losing to quality teams.

If anything, you prove my point with your argument there. A coach that got fired had a better regular season contextually than one that was blown out nearly ever week and squeaked in to the playoffs by default. We were one game out and we were not as bad as them. Carrol won one more game than a coach who was fired and was not blown out as much.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I was quoting purely on your win-loss point.

You’re added more information to the post AFTER I had already made mine in an attempt to say that I’m going off topic when you went off topic. Someone took a debate class and learned some tricks on how to try and fluster his opposition didn’t he? :)

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by afrikabamboodle on Sep 8, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

well...

sun does literally shine on a dogs ass from time to time. So, the problem must be that it is always cloudy in Seattle? L.A. is looking for a team, and it is always sunny… as long as the smog isn’t blocking out the sun that is…

by Sigelvictory on Sep 8, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly this is coming off as completely intentional trolling

Not only is your argument as to why Carroll is a bad coach utterly ridiculous, the fact that you willingly ignore and choose to ridicule any evidence to the contrary is reflecting that you are simply arguing with an intent to annoy.

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

There's nothing that disputes what I posted.

You all are on our board… not the other way around. The only one trolling here is Seahawk fans.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

All the blowouts they had before they squeaked in to the dance were though I am sure.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

All Niners fans..

are not. Some just can’t get into the spirit of friendly conversation about the 2 teams without pulling out the well my daddy can beat your daddy.

I am pleased with the quality of posts from the seahawks fans so far. Thanks alot for taking the time to come lend your thoughts.

by Dukeston1 on Sep 8, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

In New England he couldn’t improve on his first year but ISTR his team becoming a dynasty pretty much right after he left.

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by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He took a team that went 5-11 and 4-12 in the previous 2 seasons to the playoffs and a win over the defending Super Bowl champs.

I’m not sure whether he’s the long term answer either but give him some credit. It’s not like he started off the season 0-5 like Singletary did.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Duly noted.

And thanks!

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Use the sarcasm font dangit!

Otherwise it’s too hard to tell when people are joking…

by Method24 on Sep 8, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait until Carroll

unleashes the new 9 DB terrorist package on 3rd and forevers.

70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

by hazbro24 on Sep 8, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Of course

I’m just loving the chance to get in the coal pit with some Niners fans for a bit.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate you

and love you. Emo mcwagner cries

by mcwagner on Sep 8, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No coal...

just Gold out here in California.

by Dukeston1 on Sep 8, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aggghh!!!

Dude, good write-up, but you need a disclaimer if you are going to post something, before noon, that invokes mental images of some poor woman birthing Tony Siragusa. Just saying. The rest of it I enjoyed, but I feel like my life was measurably better before I pictured that.

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by lottwasgangsta on Sep 8, 2011 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

That was my gift to Niners Nation.

You’re welcome.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate you a little now

But I admire that you stand behind your words and deeds.

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by lottwasgangsta on Sep 8, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hate mixed with respect

Is 49ers/Seahawks in a nutshell, methinks.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

When Jacson pulls the trigger, he never regrets it.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He may regret it

when Jackson pulls the trigger?

by Sigelvictory on Sep 8, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed.

i dont know if i want to slow clap jacson out of respect or take the next flight to sea-tac in order to kick him in the shin.

well done…i think…jerk

by Aarrgh! on Sep 8, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks... I think.

I suppose you could do both.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we do both

I’ll help

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by lottwasgangsta on Sep 8, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

there seems to be a lot of similarities

The two teams, which is why I really have no idea how this game will go, I suppose I give the home team a slight advantage because both are abysmal on the road. Most fans here put the Niners win total between 6-9 wins. Is that about what hawks fans are predicting?

by BY97ismyhero on Sep 8, 2011 10:44 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I'd say 5-7 wins is the general consensus.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd argue that your signature should actually be

“I’ve got ridiculous backside”. I mean, it’d be pretty apt.

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by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was imagining you squinting your eyes, sticking out your teeth and snorting

while laughing at your own jokes. I bet you had to push your glasses back up too. Seahawk fans crack me up.

A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.

by Fat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

This is more like it

A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.

by Fat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

HOW DARE YOU SIR.

Our only saving grace is, no drop shadows.

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by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

God I loved those jerseys.

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by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

This must have been during the lockout

A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.

by Fat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying it's a bad thing

It’s just the image that came in my head while reading this post.

A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.

by Fat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way....NO to picking up Q.B. David Garrard!

9ers don’t need a 33 year old Q.B. who at best may be a one year band aid.

Now regarding Hawks/9ers game>>> This game all starts and will be won by the Big Guys in the trenches, the O-Line and the D-Line. Whichever teams kicks butt and dominates up front…..Wins.

by BigMar on Sep 8, 2011 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't always think that's the case in the NFL anymore

But with these two teams, I think you’re right.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great write-up man!

Really enjoyed it.

I really think pressure will be key in this game. I mean either O-line could me manhandled and I’m hoping it’s the Seahawks’.

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by neder on Sep 8, 2011 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think either offense is going to look very good in this one.

Especially if Sidney Rice doesn’t play (shoulder). I think SF’s front seven is better than SEA’s, so advantage Niners.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

How much did the Seahawks pay for Sidney Rice-paper?

He won’t stay healthy, no way. He gets injured every year. That’s not something you want for your premier reciever. I can understand alot of injuries in a QB or a RB, but it seems every time Sidney Rice takes a hit he’s out of the season.

A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.

by Fat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, that's a pretty inaccurate statement.

He’s only suffered one noteworthy injury in his career, and played 48 out of 54 (89%) games before busting his hip. This is his first year back since the injury, so it’s WAY to early to say he gets hurt every year.
To answer your question, however, he signed a 5 year/$41 mil contract with a $6 mil signing bonus.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do you mean 'unfortunately'?!

I think FORUNTATELY it’s inaccurate =P

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by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Truth.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well 9 mil/yr. is not too bad if he stays healthy

I think you’re a little GULL- able if you think his knee injury wasn’t noteworthy.

Red flags should be going up right now for the Field Gulls. Sidney Rice has only played one full season so far. He hasn’t even played the first game and he’s already injured again? Good luck keeping him off PUP.

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by Pat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zing!

And yes, it was a gamble; but there are very few sure bets in the NFL and Seattle desperately needs someone who can stretch the field.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

The 49ers have a notable wide receiver who breaks his foot every off-season.

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Sep 8, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, we know...

and a great many of us don’t like him very much…

by Sigelvictory on Sep 8, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Timmy the Intern" is still mulling it over!!

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Sep 8, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

We learned our lesson...

the first time. Now we just trade any of our unwanted players to the Bengals straight away without looking into any other deals.

by Dukeston1 on Sep 8, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard Gallery and Rice won't play right?

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by manraj7 on Sep 8, 2011 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

more likely won't play

or more likely that he will play

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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
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by manraj7 on Sep 8, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

We think it's going to be great

A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.

by Fat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Having more than 4 offensive plays

3 runs up the middle and seam route to Davis… should help tremendously.

by Da Bum on Sep 8, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

2006...

But this was his first “big” injury in the NFL… Don’t think he’ll slow down, and I think he’ll make all 16 games this season… And break his own record for yards from scrimmage with over 700 yards receiving to go with 1,400+ rushing…

by Takeo33 on Sep 8, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh

I wouldn’t feel too good about that prediction. It’s pretty hard for a RB to play all 16 games.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Sep 8, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It has been a while

We would love to see it! I think Hunter showed enough promise to give Frank some relief and change the look. The question, in my mind, is will he be good enough at picking up the blitzes to be a regular part of the rotation, and I am not certain that is a good role for a rookie. Frank is one of the best at it and Harbaugh is all about mental preparations, so he may have good teachers to help him along.

by Da Bum on Sep 8, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here is a nice sovenier Frank Gore action photo for you

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by Fat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Should have another one next week just like it.

I’ll be sure to send it over to the Field Gulls.

A pie can be divided into many pieces. For MOST people the goal is to get as many pieces of that pie as possible. It is my goal to eat the WHOLE pie.

by Fat Willie on Sep 8, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

Can I request Patrick Willis and Braylon Edwards photos too.

by Da Bum on Sep 8, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Smith

He keeps coming back no matter how much you abuse him. Boo’s, sacks, injuries, pay cuts, smothering attempts, he takes it all in stride and still put’s himself on the line to score the 49ers a much needed touchdown.

You may not be the flashiest quarterback in the league, but no one can question your toughness Alex.

RESPECT

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by Fat Willie on Sep 12, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I shouldn't rec this

but it is the best retort I have seen in a while

by mcwagner on Sep 8, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol what an amazing picture

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by 49erLou on Sep 8, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fantastic.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 12:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't realize Curry swung that way.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess when there is no clever comeback you can always resort to a lame “he’s gay ’cause he is from SF comment”… you know, when all else fails go 4th grade on that ish.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not what I said.

You are very apt at jumping to conclusions.

by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

You didn’t just suggest that?

What were you saying with that comment exactly then? Clarify.

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by Drew Kerr on Sep 8, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

It was just in regard to Alex and it was a joke. The picture is funny.

It had nothing to do with SF. Hell, I like the city . . .

by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

you like SF?

so, yer gay?

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.

by Arkie49er on Sep 8, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Having lived in San Francisco I completely agree, that shit is super lame.

But Seattle is right up there with San Francisco when it comes to swingers. I’m not saying this is a good thing.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Sep 8, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, you're the one who

brought the 4th grade “swing that way” chit into this dude.

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by hazbro24 on Sep 8, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I live off of 4th grade humor

Cause its still funny

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by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

too funny

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by mikeinsp on Sep 8, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flag on the play.

Unneccessary crotch-to-face action. This is not only illegal on the field but also in every bar outside of Tijuana or Amsterdam.

by Dukeston1 on Sep 8, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he does awesome

if he doesn’t Hunter and Dixon should carry it. Hopefully Gore gets rest during games

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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
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by manraj7 on Sep 8, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

to the point I think you are asking

Gore is a guy that has shown year after year that he is willing to work as hard as he can. I think his recovery went well. The extra time with the lockout probably did him good physically. I also think he is not going to be overused and abused to the same degree that he has the last several years. Harbaugh is going to spread the ball around (which is not what Frank thinks he wants, but will definitely extend his career some). It will also help because our coaches should be creative enough to force teams away from stacking the box the entire time, meaning less poundings overall. Anything could happen (like a broken hip – which is very rare), but Frank’s chances this year are better than they have been for a long time.

by Da Bum on Sep 8, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope he can stay healthy.

Especially because he got paid. It sure backfired on us when we gave Shaun Alexander his fat contract.

by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

As Hunter and Dixon develop their skills their playing time will increase and Gore's diminish some ... probably a good thing, re: potential injuries as Gore ages.

Perhaps the more interesting change to the backfielld will be when Bruce Miller (rookie FB) develops enough to replace the aged Moran Norris … in all likelihood not later than midseason. Miller is basically the same size as Norris but is much faster, more aggressive, and can actually catch the football … meaning that he’s actually a more all-around football player rather than just a straight-ahead blocker.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Sep 8, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frank Gore is a beast.

I think having Kendall Hunter, and a more-experienced Dixon behind him this year will help Gore. Last year, everyone knew that the niners were running behind Lupati. There was very little variety going on with the play calling. This year, I think we have an actual PLAN going on which is refreshing.

That all being said, who knows. Injuries are fluky.

by Dukeston1 on Sep 8, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lupati?

This is still happening?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Sep 8, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good article Jacson...welcome to NN

Tell me…Do you guys actually like Pete Carroll or are you just tolerating him until someone better comes along?

by Glasgow_49er on Sep 8, 2011 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I like him.

The front office has put every dollar behind his vision for the rebuild, so they like him too.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess if you win people like you...

..but part of you must cringe when he does all that ra-ra stuff and high fives, no?

by Glasgow_49er on Sep 8, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

There’s an ongoing joke at Field Gulls about Pete Carroll’s leg-humping of the players after a big play, but to be completely honest with you, I like it. It’s nice to see that football doesn’t have to be about rage and testosterone all the time. Football is fun.
The players seem to like it, too, as many of them say this is the most fun they’ve had playing football and others have even taken cheaper contracts to stay in Seattle.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same here.

It’s all about motivating your players. Pete Carroll has been successful motivating his players with positivism and fun, he’s proven it.

You can mock his rah-rah attitude all you want, guy has made enough big moves (cutting Lofa Tatupu, not re-signing the hometown hero QB, etc) to prove he’s not all unicorns and rainbows.

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by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh my god.

It’s all about motivating your players.

I just had a flashback to the Singletary era on NN…

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Sep 8, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, yeah

I don’t think there’s one objectively “best” way to coach a team. There have been mean, yelling coaches that have had a lot of success and a lot that haven’t. Same goes for rah-rah guys. I just prefer an air of positivity, I guess.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

As of now the difference is that Carroll has not yet pulled down his pants at half time and has embraced the forward pass a long time ago.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Shoulda used the pants drop halftime vs GB, just sayin

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

embraced the forward pass a long time ago.

Meanwhile, Singletary is still watching that Marshawn Lynch run against the Saints, and saying “Hey! They told me you couldn’t do that!”

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Sep 8, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was something I was wondering...

Why did they not roll the dice on Hasselback for one more year? Were the injuries too much?

by Dukeston1 on Sep 8, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know you guys would like that a lot...

…but injuries or no, when “healthy” he’s shown himself to be in the mid-20s or lower as an NFL QB over the past 3 years. He’s done. He was done 2 years ago with Mora at the helm. He was done last offseason when PC/JS brought in Charlie Whitehurst and the immortal JP Losman to challenge him for his job. He was done all of last year, just completely toast in a painful “you can see that it’s still the same guy who was so awesome just a few years ago but he just can’t get the job done anymore” way.

The instincts and the desire to win are still there, he’s crafty as ever, but he simply has no arm strength left. The only – and I literally mean the ONLY – way the Seahawks completed a pass longer than around 10 yards last year was when they drew up a fairly elaborate play involving a WR throwing a double-move and Hass faking a throw after the first move (they did this a couple times with the hook-and-go route) or else when a defensive back fell down in coverage. I think you can agree that this is no way to count on a deep ball offense. As the year progressed, defenses began to figure out that Hasselbeck had no ability to throw long and so they started sitting 8 or 9 men up in the box, a move which basically completely negated Marshawn Lynch. Hass would try time and again to counter this by throwing over the top of this, but even when he did find an open space, he just couldn’t get the ball into it quickly enough for it to work.

Many, many excuses have been made about his failure to produce over the past few years but at some point you just have to accept that that former franchise quarterback who still expects a little bit to be paid like a franchise QB for you is just not one any longer. I think that as it was, the FO may have gotten a bit too sentimental with the guy in keeping him as long as they did (and the fact that CW never did beat out Hasselbeck for the starting job might be a bad sign of things to come).

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by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The talent around him eroded significantly starting from 2006,

coinciding with his age-related decline, to the point where he became a very poor QB in his own right.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 9, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love him

Being your coach, I mean! I love having a guy on the other sideline that we can mock!

by Da Bum on Sep 8, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

most of those puppies he ate were already dead

by reedkrase on Sep 8, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like him as part of the organization, as a coach and as a person.

However, his (or this front-office as a whole) idea of roster construction/talent evaluation is a little worrisome to me. It’s a little like Al Davis, without the bedsores. They look for “exceptional abilities”, guys with a few excellent tools, but maybe lacking a good all around game. However, Carroll is a good defensive mind and has specific uses in mind for a player’s specific traits.

What worries me is if this whole Pete Carroll era is unsuccessful it will create a dearth of ‘conventional’ talent for whoever comes in after him.

by SgtSasquatch on Sep 8, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you prefer the previous front office's approach to roster construction?

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 12:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol @ your sig.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can of worms.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a vacuum, it's a hilarious quote regardless of who said it.

I know the can quite well, thank you =)

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks I guess

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 12:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't compare the past and present regimes head to head.

However, I do find more solace in a front office that builds a team in a ‘typical’ way rather than such an atypical way that the current front office has. The vast majority of front offices fail. This is why there’s endless turnover in the NFL.

It’s just my opinion that should Pete fail, it will be harder to rebuild from such a hyper-specialized roster that he constructed rather than just a ‘typical’ unsuccessful roster.

by SgtSasquatch on Sep 8, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's so hyper-specialized?

The 4-3 built D-line is pretty close to normal (with the exception of Red at DE).

The linebackers are tools, talented guys with good heads on their shoulers.

Secondary is a bit different (Kam and Browner’s height), but for the most part extensible.

The WR core is tall, rangy and very athletic.

The RBs would start or be second string on many NFL teams.

O-line is stocked with talent meant for a ZBS.

What’s so hyper-specialized?

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by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The argument's been around since we shipped Tapp for Clemons:

that the LEO position was too gimmicky and that teams could just run on the little guy. It makes sense on paper but the evidence for it isn’t there.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

But your statement had the general feel of “if this FO fails, the next one will inherit a hyper-specialized roster” and I disagree with that.

So far, he’s not gone against many NFL conventions, only a few (the LEO end, only preferring tall CBs regardless of skill, etc).

If anything, a new FO would have to re-tool the defense a bit. But the offense is pretty well built for the NFL.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Put shortly, Pete's D reminds me of a 3-4/4-3 love child.

Where I see a lot of the players fitting will in either a typical 3-4 or 4-3. If Carroll were to disappear an incoming coach would have to pick a direction and go for it, but either direction looks to be equidistant.

by SgtSasquatch on Sep 8, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think the "specialization" argument is pretty overhyped

The other part of it was the re-tooling of the OL in 2010 when shifted to a purer ZBS, using smaller OL. With Cable as OL coach, the size of the average lineman has increased significantly.

Every FO re-tools the roster. What Ruskell left for Pete was a couple of average starters and some pretty good backups. The guy that takes over for Pete will probably have to make his own changes. Its the way things work in the NFL.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeedy. I'm more confident in this roster of players becoming good, regardless of the coach.

Lots of talent on the O-line, in the RB corps, receiving corps, TE, etc.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ruskell did not build the team in a typical way.

Sacrificing size is not common in the NFL.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trading away talent so that you can get over drafted talent is unusal also

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by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are you referring to?

Peterson/Curry? Or something Carroll/Schneider did?

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 9, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peterson/Curry

I didn’t mind Curry as much as you, but it lost any shine when you realized that we traded away a guy who already was successful and had a couple of years left when we had so many other holes.

they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!

by stufr on Sep 10, 2011 4:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, that was a big reason I was against it.

At best, it would be a lateral move, and not an improvement.

In general, Ruskell’s philosophy about building a defense through its linebackers (especially a 4-3 defense) was…asinine. Philadelphia, for instance, has fielded a mostly great defense over the last decade and they value linebackers probably the least on defense.

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 10, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

Al Davis without the bedsores.

by OffensiveInterference on Sep 8, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

David Garrard

Man I thought he was gonna be good.

Anybody else remember his playoff game vs the Patriots a few years back? Him and Brady had an average completion percent of like 93.

by ZivilynBane on Sep 8, 2011 11:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I Used To Like The Seahawks......

….When Steve Largent & Jim Zorn played. Now, their loud uniforms hurt my eyes too much to watch.

by scrappydog on Sep 8, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey, I'm all for a reversion to the old silver-and-blues.

I’m not the biggest fan of the team wearing uniforms that look like the winning entry in a finger-painting contest.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which loud uniforms?

The green one that they wore once (two years ago) and then retired?

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Want to see 9ers (if possible) run up the score, big time!

Just like Harboughs Stanford teams…. don’t stop until the game over!

by BigMar on Sep 8, 2011 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

4th and inches...be aggressive, GO FOR IT!

If you are on the 50 yard line side of the opposition, go for it!

by BigMar on Sep 8, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I am right there with you.

Go for it. If we can’t stop you, you deserve it.

by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious about your RBs

The names are fairly well known and I know generally about their style, but I’m curious how they fit into your system. You write that you expect Lynch, Washington, and Forsett (in that order) to have a break down of around 60-30-10 percent of carries. I’m interested in what situations/packages we may see them and what you see as their strengths and weaknesses? How did they look this preseason?

by RJames on Sep 8, 2011 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Lynch is the workhorse, Washington is the scat back, Forsett combines the best attributes of both

Washington will probably get some work in screen passes, Lynch on early down and short yardage situations and Forsett will get mixed in. Both Washington and Forsett have pretty decent hands and aren’t too bad in pass protection.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now THAT's the kind of question I love.

The Seahawks hired former Raiders head coach (and zone-blocking enthusiast) Tom Cable to run the offensive line with the goal of creating a one-cut system a la the Denver Broncos of the late 90s/early 2000s.
In a perfect world where the line has already gelled and understands their assignments, Leon washington would see a larger percentage of the touches since he is a tremendous one-cut back. Lynch, however, is better suited to shoulder the punishment that comes from running behind a young line and has been very durable in his career.
Forsett is kind of the odd man out, as he never really seized lead back duties when he and Julius Jones were splitting carries, but he’s a great blocker and pass-catcher so there’s value in having him around.
Plus, Lynch was Forsett’s best man at his wedding, which had to have been the strangest, funniest wedding toast of all time.
Hope that helps.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's too bad

cause forsett’s pretty slick. he should be more involved.

by t p on Sep 8, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like him too

But he seems to offer what Leon does, only without as much upside, which makes his touches a bit more expendable.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washington and Forsett's first gear is similar

But Washington is FAR faster at full stride.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also true.

Here’s hoping we actually get to see him at full stride on Sunday.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen!

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

i must say i enjoyed your article

cant wait till sunday. the 9ers will return the opening day favor the seahawks gave us last season.

by chris z on Sep 8, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope it's at least close.

Nothing worse than one fan base checking out 2.5 quarters into the first game, haha.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea your right it would be great if its a close one

but if im a betting man (which i am). i think the 9ERS will win 20 – 9. LOL lets see how it goes.

by chris z on Sep 8, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loved reading this.

The Lion King clip was hilarious.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 12:25 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Thanks, FF.

Took me forever to find one that wasn’t copyrighted, haha

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who got a job today??

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

"Coach H seems like a great coach so far. He brings a lot of energy and always has a method for why he does the things he does. If he could, I think he'd want to be God." —Patrick Willis.

by SanFranciscoKnights on Sep 8, 2011 12:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Beat me to it.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha!

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Opinions of Harbaugh

When SF hired Harbaugh, one of the many things that excited our fanbase was the perception that Carroll and Seahawks fans were wetting their pants in fear based upon Carroll’s and Harbaugh’s history in the Pac-10 ("what’s your deal??)

What would say the general Seahawk fan sentiment is about Harbaugh if being completely honest? Afraid of him? Respectful of him? Disbelieving? Meh? LOL?

Jim Harbaugh doesn't just WANT winners, he MAKES them!

by Adusoron on Sep 8, 2011 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he'll be a hell of an NFL coach.

I wish he hadn’t gone to a team in the same division as Seattle.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say afraid . . .

because he still needs to prove it in the NFL, but I do think he legitimizes the Niners somewhat. It will be interesting to see what he can do with a team that has a substantial amount of talent.

by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a bit baffled by him.

Allowing so many talented players to walk. That was a bit baffling.

He’s done nothing so far to make me fear him. But the reverse is true, as well: he’s done nothing to deserve any disrespect.

We’ll see!

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Sep 8, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's very refreshing...

…to see a writer and fan from a rival team be so candid in his assessment of his favorite team! Being a nor-cal native living in Texas I am flooded with Cowboys garbage 24/7. Regardless of how crappy they are doing, “they’re gonna win it this year!”. Thanks for the article Jacson! A great read!

People sleep peacably in thier beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on thier behalf.

by Echo6.JH on Sep 8, 2011 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Echo.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love nothing more than to see Seattle rub a 12-4 record in everyone’s faces, but I’d be doing a disservice to analytical integrity if I didn’t call it like I see it. Sadly, that means calling this a 5 or 6 win team.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

What offensive system are the seahawks running?

The new o-coordinator is from the vikins correct? Is he running the same system that seatle has had or is it the system he brought from the vikings?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 8, 2011 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Bevell brought his system over from Minnesota

Which was the main reason given for naming Tarvaris the starter at the beginning of camp. Assuming the line gives the offense time, you can expect to see a zone-blocking running game and a passing game that features just enough deep throws to try and open things up underneath for guys like Williams, Tate, and Miller.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

that is what I thought, I keep hearing people on the radio saying that Tavaris needs to “learn” the system. then I am thinking learn what he has been playing in this system for years already.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 8, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If anything, he needs to learn his personnell

But from all accounts, he has a good grasp of the system.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

these radio hosts and callers need to learn what they are talking about.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 8, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can understand the callers, but the radio hosts who get paid to talk football than not knowing what the heck is going on. what the heck are they doing on the radio then? lol

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 8, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their job isn't to be informative or knowledgable

In order their priorities are:

1. Not swearing on air
2. Preventing dead air
3. Making the advertisers happy
4. Making things entertaining or provacative

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

they are doing just as bad as number 2. and by not being credible they are failing at 3 and 4 as people like me will turn their station off.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 8, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

"West Coast Offense" or whatever that means

Probably more precision/shorter stuff than what we had last year, with a greater emphasis on the run game.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

is okung and gallery going to play on sunday?

and if not are rookies going to start in their place? if that was the case would that not mean four rookies playing on the o-line?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 8, 2011 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Okung should be good to go

And Gallery is looking more and more probable. If they were both to sit out, however, you would probably see Packers-transplant Brent Giancomini at LT and utility veteran Tyler Polumbus at LG. It wouldn’t be four rookies, but it would certainly be ugly.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 8, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand the James Carpenter pick.

Is he a lot better than advertised?

Affectionately,
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NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer

by afrikabamboodle on Sep 8, 2011 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

We're still not sure whether he's going to be a guard or a tackle.

At this point he’s all but been beat out by a PS guy for RT. I don’t think that’s the end of the world – apparently he showed up out of shape and the camp was awfully truncated – but it’s a little bit worrisome. Still, though, many of us feel that if he turns into a good LG, well… Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The shortened offseason really hurt the OL

and Carpenter came into camp a little too raw, a little too out of shape.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not

Tom Cable’s going to way more influence on picking the OL.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not yet he's not

But there is a lot of confidence in his physical talent. The key is getting him up to speed as he’s very susceptible to quick edge rushers.
As far as drafting him 25th overall goes, i think that the front office really wanted to draft a tackle in the first round and may have reached a bit after Solder and Camini were picked ahead of him. Still if he was the best guy left on the board for that position, and they didn’t think he’d be there at their next pick, I think it was the right move to take him.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carimi

Was actually drafted after Carpenter at 29th by the Bears.

by bigtrain21 on Sep 8, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the correction.

Meant to write Solder.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

No problem

You actually did write Solder though.

by bigtrain21 on Sep 8, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I'm falling apart.

Must be the lack of sweet, piney NW air down here.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha

It is a beautiful day here in the Northwest. The only reason I remembered that Carimi went after Carpenter is because I was expecting the Seahawks to draft Carimi so I specifically remember him being available.

by bigtrain21 on Sep 8, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate you providing a safety net for my clerical errors.

Lord knows I need it from time to time.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Appreciate it.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rob Rang had him as a possibility as the 2nd round pick and was rising up the draft boards to where he'd be a late first.

Good prediction on his part.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rob Staton had him as a first

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good on the predicting, but bad on the evaluation

You do not take a tackle in R1 that has pass pro issues in college. Period.

We learned this lesson with Davis. Welcome to our world of frustration.

by Ougadas on Sep 8, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Niners OL has a lot better pedigree than ours

and a lot more experience working together as a unit. This does not bode well for our OL.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is that Carpenter didn't have many noted pass pro issues in college.

However, that hasn’t translated against NFL competition (so far).

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 9, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only that

He doesn’t have the quickness to block speed, doesn’t have the lateral agility to hold a protection against a double move, and is high and stiff — relying on his weight and arm length to redirect.

That’s why he should have been a late 2nd or 3rd rounder.

by Ougadas on Sep 9, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or you are watching pre-season of a rookie who played the left side his whole college career and now is on the right side

The speed of the game takes most rookie OL most of preseason and into the season to get used to, moving sides is a much bigger deal.

they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!

by stufr on Sep 10, 2011 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

That was college ball. Sunday will be the first I’ve seen of him against pro competition.

by Ougadas on Sep 10, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you basing that off his college performance?

Because that stuff didn’t seem readily evident in my opinion (not saying it isn’t true).

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 10, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

In my opinion he really does look he’d make a more successful guard than tackle. Great push in the run-game but has looked all kinds of bad in pass protection.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even top-tier LTs often struggle as rookies,

starting their careers as RTs. Carpenter’s had less preparation than your average rookie.

The OL just needs some time to gel (and it will be rough until it does).

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 8, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't fault him for the preparation.

I’m just saying in general I think he looks like a guard to me, but I’m not going to discount his potential to be a starting quality RT.

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Sep 8, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He will still be worth the draft pick if he is a quality starting LG

"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."

by stufr on Sep 8, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

I’m totally down if Carpenter becomes a good LG.

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 9, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

This might be going over old ground but just thought I'd ask

How did you guys feel when Steve Largent unretired his jersey for Jerry Rice? Was that an issue for Seahawks fans?

I should say that I was a massive fan of Largent. One of my favourite ever non-niners players…and easily the second best Seahawk ever after Brian Bosworth (sorry, couldn’t resist that)

by Glasgow_49er on Sep 8, 2011 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought it was a cool gesture.

Two of the greatest at their position, although I think we all wished Rice had hung it up one year earlier.

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish Rice would have hung it up after the Niners...

Not that he didn’t play well for a few more years… just seeing him in Silver and Black made me wanna puke.

by Sigelvictory on Sep 8, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks again

for taking the time to join us here at NN. Your input has been much appreciated

by Glasgow_49er on Sep 8, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

I’ve been having a blast. Hopefully y’all will let me stop in again in the future.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry to much about that.

Once you’re here, it’s as they say; “you can checkout anytime you like, but you can never leave”. So, welcome to NinersNation! Also, thanks for the great article.

"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez

Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?

Kaepernick is some kind of Montana/Young/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.

by jbrown63 on Sep 8, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm honored.

And frightened.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for letting me do this, Fooch

And thanks again for doing such a good job with your post over at FG.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle is where once-great athletes go to die.

Rice, Franco Harris, Patrick Ewing, Ken Griffey Jr., Warren Moon, Edgerrin James… consider yourself lucky we didn’t sign Steve Young and Roger Craig.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffey doesn't count.

70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

by hazbro24 on Sep 8, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

2009 was a great PR move.

2010 was vintage Seattle sports.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 8, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh god that was a disaster waiting to happen.

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by Fearless Frog on Sep 9, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fail by putting Griffey in there

by mrg80 on Sep 8, 2011 5:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought it was cool

I was disappointed Rice didn’t go into the Hall of Fame as a Seahawk but there was nothing I could do about it.

by bigtrain21 on Sep 8, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

There was only 1 player that could have unretired that number . . .

And he did look good in blue. It’s to bad that he was pretty much done by that time though.

by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

What did you guys think of Pete Carroll's prank on (I forget player's name)

You would think with him already having a jokester reputation the guy would have seen it coming!

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NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer

by afrikabamboodle on Sep 8, 2011 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Jinx.

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raheem Brock

Loved it, but not as much as this one.

Snake Prank

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by Jacson Bevens on Sep 8, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh.

Time for some new gags, the phony-arrest thing he’d already done.
“It is a trick to be attempted once in a thousand years of fiction,” Nabokov once wrote, of a certain trick in a certain story, but I digress…

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Sep 8, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Made...up...?

Jacson, I am crestfallen.

It’s from “The Vane Sisters”, a great story that The New Yorker turned down for Publication. William Shawn didn’t like the trick at all, actually.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Sep 8, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure why "publication" is in caps there.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Sep 8, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I was reading the above comments ...

and I found them quite ironic. CMON GUYZ STOP BEIN’ PRICKS WILYA ?!!!?

Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.

by SSC24 on Sep 9, 2011 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

But that’s all I have

by mcwagner on Sep 10, 2011 10:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha

Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.

by SSC24 on Sep 10, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

you mad bro?

Honey badger dont give a fu**

-the bea$t-

by 49ersfan831 on Sep 12, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

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