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Is the Saints Offense really that Good? Some numbers...

A couple of notes on the vaunted Saints Offense. For context, I use points allowed as a ranking for defenses as using yards is idiotic. I'll take a defense that gives up stats over points any day. I generally looked at the opponents defensive rating, home vs. away and dome vs. outside.

POINT 1. They are on a roll. They have scored over 40 in each of their last 4 games. But...three of the four were at home and the lone road game was in a dome against the 31st ranked MIN defense. Of the other three games, the best defense was the 18th ranked Falcons. The game before this roll started was outside against the 8th ranked Titans defense and they scored 22.

POINT 2. They are better in the dome. In dome games they averaged 14 points more than the average points allowed by the defenses they were playing (ie. if the team usually allows 25, the Saints scored 39). In their 5 outdoor games they averaged 2 points above the average points allowed by the defenses they were playing. The Niners give up 14 points per game on average.

POINT 3. They aren't nearly as good away from home. The five lowest point totals for the year from the Saint's offense were away from home. They averaged 20-26 points per game with the best defense being the aforementioned Titans. The only game they scored over 40 away from home was against the 31st ranked Vikings.

SUMMARY: No real point other than to refute the notion that in order to win, the Niners will have to put the game on Alex Smith's shoulders to score 30 or 40. It's not about keeping up with the Saints. This game will rest on the shoulders of Justin and Aldon Smith. If they get pressure then we can win this game with maybe 25 points on the board.

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by mr. instigator on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

So in other words… they don’t play well away from the dome?

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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 10, 2012 8:47 AM PST reply actions  

Pretty much yeah...

But you hear every analyst say, “I know they don’t play as well outside the dome, but I really don’t think the Niners have the firepower to keep up with the high power offense. I don’t think they can keep up in a shootout”. My only point is that they don’t have shootouts outside the dome and they really haven’t played much for good defenses.

by NH49er on Jan 10, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Hear what you're saying, but yes, they are that good

I know everyone likes to throw out the poor averages in non-dome games. But they will put up over 20 points. Niners are going to have to put up 30 points if they want to win this game. Don’t think 25 will get it done. But also don’t think they’ll need to put up 40.

30 is the magic number.

by reedkrase on Jan 10, 2012 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

Watch the score be something like 17 - 10

A bunch of fools picking the over on the point total are gonna get jacked.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 11, 2012 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll take our Mighty Men over their not so much Mighty Men ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 10, 2012 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

they're probably not as good as the media seems to think they are

but, yea, they’re really good.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 10, 2012 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

The Bucs had the worst D in the league and held them to 20 and 27 in their two games

The Rams have the 26th ranked D and held them to 21. Jacksonville held them to 23. They are all fairly run-heavy teams. Any reason to believe the Niners can’t replicate that with an extra weeks prep on their home grass?

by NH49er on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

We can't look at what other teams did against them and what we did against other teams...

This is a 1-game season from week to week and just about anything can happen. Hell, who would have thought that Tim Tebow would be throwing an 80 yard TD pass to win an OT game against the Steelers. You just never know what could happen.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 11, 2012 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd like to see someone adjust for offensive plays and field position

Everyone spouts off about offensive yards, but for the Niners, it’s largely reduced by:
Short fields on a ton of turnovers (with only 1 return for TD)
Excellent special teams
Running out the clock

by mrg80 on Jan 10, 2012 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Those are cool...

Niners have best scoring defense per drive and NO have second best Offense per drive. Effects of field position do effect the stats significantly as the SF offense scores out pretty well and we finish fourth in the Net total behind the three most prolific offenses.

by NH49er on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I like what you are saying

But I do think we will need +24. I see the saints scoring 24 points. 3 TD’s and a field goal. Our corners are pretty good but I still see them getting burned at least once. My prediction:

49ers 27
Saints 24

by renke81 on Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM PST reply actions  

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