49ers Vs. Saints: Five Questions With Canal Street Chronicles
The return of football this week means we get another chance to chat with a fellow SB Nation blogger. This week Dave Cariello of Canal Street Chronicles provides some insight into a few areas of the Saints, some of which we know and some of which we don't know.
Dave provided a prediction and continued the run of confidence we have seen from Saints fans. In his prediction he went with a 35-10 Saints victory, concluding with an apology for his confidence. I provided my own prediction over at Canal Street Chronicles, going with a 27-23 49ers victory.
Niners Nation: Aside from forgetting to charge the batteries on the Drew Brees robot, what would you say are weaknesses in his game?
Canal Street Chronicles: Well, there was a time last year when he was incredibly mistake prone, making bad passing decisions and throwing gobs of interceptions. The worst examples of this would have to be the Saints losses to Arizona and Cleveland. That seems to have vanished for the most part this year, but he's still thrown multiple interceptions a game this season because, let's face it, he's no Aaron Rodgers. Some people like to point to his height, but I don't think it's ever been much of an issue. Whatever weakness he has, however, will only be exposed when he's under heavy pressure and distress. The Niners need to bring the heat, mix coverages and hope for the best.
NN: You guys have a rushing attack that is putting up solid yards per carry, but something seems a little funky about the running game. Can you describe what is going on with it?
CSC: I don't think there is anything funky about the running game at all. The Saints have the 6th ranked rushing attack in the league. I think the reason others might perceive it as funky is because there is no marquee back putting up huge numbers and calling attention to this backfield. There is no Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Maurice Jones-Drew or the like. The Saints get the job done with an incredible rotation of backs, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram earlier in the season, all who have a different style and fill a particular role. Everyone knows their place and head coach Sean Payton has been brilliant getting the most from each of them. For Saints fans, it's been an absolute thing of beauty to watch. When Mark Ingram was sidelined with a toe injury, Chris Ivory was able to pick up right where Ingram left off. Funny thing is, they could have probably had the best rushing attack in the league if Payton wasn't so in love with passing the ball. But I'll get over it.
NN: Roman Harper is your leading sack man, which I figured was due to all the blitzing Gregg Williams does. There is a lot of talk about the blitzing, but the team is 19th in the league in sacks and 25th in Football Outsiders' adjusted sack rate. What can you say about the Saints pass rush?
CSC: Just because they do a lot of blitzing doesn't mean they're good at it. Perhaps that's a bit harsh and over-simplifying it a bit. The Saints don't get great pressure from their front four or their linebackers, purely because of a lack of talent. That's the sad truth. But Williams is at least able to maximize that talent by confusing opponents with multiple looks and exotic pressure packages. That's why Roman Harper is the sack leader; he's one of the more talented players on the defense and Williams often brings pressure from safeties and cornerbacks instead of the usual front seven. I would love to see what Williams could actually do with a more talented unit.
NN: What are your thoughts on the whole indoors vs. outdoors discussion? The stats do show a difference, but in seeing some Saints fan discussion, some people think it's overblown for one reason or another. Thoughts on why?
CSC: The Saints are definitely better at home this season, there's no denying that. And it's true their offensive stats aren't nearly as impressive in their outdoor games this year. But I really have a hard time believing it's the result of the playing surface. If anything, I'd say it's the simple fact of not being in the comfort of their own home in front of the crowd that loves them. There may be some credence to being home or away, but I don't think the indoors/outdoors has made a difference for the Saints this season. After all, the Rams kicked their butt in the Edward Jones Dome. Whether the Saints win or lose this Saturday against the Niners, it won't be because they had to play on grass.
NN: We know a lot of the big names on the Saints. Can you give us a couple under the radar guys that could play a key role for the Saints on Saturday?
CSC: I'm sure you guys haven't heard about Saints fullback Jed Collins. He's a small part of the Saints offense and doesn't get utilized much other than in goal line situations but he does have four touchdowns this season. Payton likes to give him the ball when teams least expect so while he may not be a difference maker throughout, he sometimes shows up on big plays.
On defense, I'll go with safety Isa Abdul-Quddus. He was an undrafted free agent who worked his butt off to surprisingly make the roster. A true long shot. I still really don't know too much about him. He's used occasionally in nickle and dime packages, but he's really made a name for himself on special teams. Keep an eye on him during the game.
NN: Care to make a prediction?
CSC: Absolutely. This might stir some ish but I don't think it's going to be close. I will say Saints 35-10. The offense won't be slowed down in San Francisco and the defense is going to show up and surprise. I'm just that confident and in love with my team right now. Sorry.
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Don't need to apologize for confidence Dave
I’m confident it will be much closer than that, but we’ll see.
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 12, 2012 7:37 AM PST reply actions
Over at the Canal Street Chronicles
There seem to be a lot of comments about Niner fans being over-confident, or arrogant, or whatever. Yet they express similar feelings about their own team. AND WHY NOT?
Both teams have done very well and deserve to be here and so fans for both side should feel good about their team.
That isn’t a sign of disrespect for the other team, but earned confidence in their own for getting to this point.
Looking forward to the game Saturday. I have high expectations, but after the past 9 years also have plenty of intrepidation still.
by ColoradoNiner on Jan 12, 2012 7:49 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Both sides should feel that way
One side just needs to stop being hypocrites about it
by mrg80 on Jan 12, 2012 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Well-put
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe they think we are overconfident
because they are still uneducated about the quality of our team.
by musamonster on Jan 12, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
True
But the school of hard-knocks will be in session on Saturday, and plenty of Saints will get their bell rung.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
I think part of it is there are many Saints fans especially the ones in La. and back East who have not....
seen any 9er games this year or very many. I have not seen one and the last one I watched was the game against the Saints last year—can’t really go by that one, but the 9ers were a hard nosed team then and that has not changed. I do think the Saints are better upfront on both sides from last year so that should help, but look forward to seeing this one. To be honest, not sure what to expect as far as how it will go, but if I had to guess a close one—hopefully a Saints win.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
ALL I ASK IS PLEASE, PLEASE..........
Make brees cry , not because the usual “late hit” call he gets or cause he got hairspray or make up in his eyes, but smash his face in the ground so many times that he finnally gets up crying like the little (beep) he is. Win or lose just saying that would be awesome. Thank you justin and aldon have a great game we love you guys .GO 49ers where we dont wear bags on are heads.
by ninerpride on Jan 12, 2012 9:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A big Chris Berman
C’MON MAN! to this comment.
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by Drew Kerr on Jan 12, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
My bad, dont normally post very often just that I was reading some ignorant comments from aints side and I got a couple aints fans here at work poping off at the mouth. So I just wrote what I was thinking ha ha ha c’mon man im just playing. P.S. I MEANT EVERY WORD I SAID .
by ninerpride on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I love it.
All year, I’ve been calling for what I call the “Tom Brady treatment” of all opposing QBs. Sitting on the bench, crying their eyes out cause they let their team down. basically, this:

I wouldn’t expect anything less from fans of a defensive minded team.
"I'm in the Courtroom screaming Who Dat on the double, serving gumbo with a shovel, dog i'm on another level" -Jay Electonica
You meant your characterization of Brees? Seriously? I reaspect the knowledge and sensibility of most 49ers fans, but you’re WAY over the top here.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 5:45 AM PST up reply actions
This is truly the most likely reason
And would put them in the same barrel as Lions, Giants, and some Steelers fans. Strangely, the fans that were the most respectful and aware of how good our team was were the Ravens fans. They weren’t cocky and they were at home on a super short week. Perhaps there’s a lesson in all this.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
You Guys should be confident, deservedly so...
The Niner’s played well all season, almost sweeping your division which is very tough, no matter the division, and your defense is a force to be reckoned with.
I’m find it pleasantly ironic that this time around our worry is your defense, not Joe Cool’s offense. while you guys have to deal with Cool Brees and our offense, not the Dome Patrol. Boy, how some things change but stil remin the same.
by WalterN on Jan 12, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec!
Having that great defense never seemed to help us that much. Just saying. Brees could compete with Montana, but Niners are no Dome Patrol!
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by PanheadCatahoula on Jan 13, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Much more on their side
I have not seen a lot of over confidence from niners fans, but I have seen a lot of over confidence from saints fans, way too much. I think its funny that they would be accusing us of being over confident. But it’s cool cause that amount of over confidence only leads to embarrassment.
Care to make a prediction ...
… Absolutely Brees throws Three Picks , that right Three Picks , Once again Brees Throws Three Picks …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
by Edggy on Jan 12, 2012 7:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
lmao....
how many picks is that again?
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
ooh ok, think I got it now!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 12, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
And Akers kicks 3 field goals -woo hoooo
……….II think
by Dubniner on Jan 12, 2012 8:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know man
September is a long time to wait for your next game.
by mcwagner on Jan 12, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Nice ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Sorry, missed that
was that two picks, or four… it was garbled.
BTW, You wouldn’t be Eric Idle in disguise would you?
“then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached,”
Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the Holy Hand Grenade
by WalterN on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That’s funny because it would be three more than he has thrown in the playoffs since he joined the Saints. Just sayin’
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 5:47 AM PST up reply actions
He threw 3 last week too
The lions just dropped them
by mazonmafia on Jan 12, 2012 8:01 AM PST reply actions 10 recs
Go Saints!!!
Let’s beat these stinkin’ Niners! Make them feel ashamed and depressed! We can win on turf, grass or ice if we need to!!!
I've been to NO and SF...
And while both have their share of open/clean space, they also have their fair share of bad odors…and I would have to say NO just slightly leads SF in BO!
by ColoradoNiner on Jan 12, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
Untrue
Any negative smell from that diet is overcome by the sweet sweet odor of Spotted Cow and other New Glarus gems.
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
mmmmmmmmmm New Glarus
i like the way you think.
Boy U R so right..
I live here and the aromas just keep coming, with much of it from the tourism industry, so it’s the price of doing business.
One of the worse, if not the worse, are the bands that performer on the quarter streets. Seriously. I pass them daily to and from work, and though they are incredibly talented and entertaining from afar, if you approach closer than 10 feet your eyes will water.
Idk man...
Bourbon street during the day isn’t the best smelling place in the city…
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Slow your roll Bro , just slow your roll ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
by Edggy on Jan 12, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
How mad are you gonna be if the Saints lose?
You’ve ran your mouth all week more than anybody on CSC, save maybe for one or two. And not chatting, straight trash talk.
PLEASE show up if we win. PLEASE.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I suggest if we win
We ALL follow that guys account every time he logs on for the next month, and anytime he says something anywhere, we just ALL reply to it like mad, listing only the final score.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Some of them are really, really nice... and others on there are just absolutely there to just talk trash.
Nothing football related.
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Their recent success
has probably resulted in a lot of bandwagon fans, people who are neither knowledgeable. They just want to look like they picked a winner, and insult others. They’ve got a couple fine people over there, and several who are real turds.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
should read
neither knowledgeable nor polite. (And by polite, I mean any manners whatsoever.) Whatever happened to southern hospitality?
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is a great blog and I have enjoyed it
a few Negative Nancys that don’t take away from the entire blog. We have a few here on NN and we are a great community.
As does any blog…you take the good with the bad and ban the really bad.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 5:49 AM PST up reply actions
It doesn't exist on the internet?
Apologies for my brethren. I’ve been unimpressed with some of my fellow whodats myself lately. Maybe it’s the last 4 weeks, every team’s fans had a score to settle with us, maybe we’re upset about LSU, I don’t know.
Come to New Orleans, and we’ll treat you well…as long as your not wearing a Niners jersey. Y’all oughta know how deep that rivalry runs here ;)
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
We do...
But we still hate the Rams worse.
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After this year, we're getting there
And you owe them a favor now!
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Miss the good ol' days when it was us, you all, the Falcons, and Rams
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and Panthers
how on Earth was that the NFC West?
by mcwagner on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Like Pittsburgh used to be in the AFC west?
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Only opening spot
Really the NFC West was really the NFC Southeast for a while… surprising the Niners were able to dominate it the way they did with all the travel.
by musamonster on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Dunno... they sort of have it right now.
But I think Dallas is still more west of the Rams.
Still have some alignment issues….
I wonder if the Raiders are going back to Los Angeles now… sounds like it. I sure in the heck don’t want to share anything with them… I want the Stadium to be filled with all Niners stuff.
I may even move back to the bay area and buy season tickets when the new stadium is up.
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I think they
wanted to keep the old Niners-Rams rivalry together, and the Cowboys vs Everyone Else in the East rivalries together.
I was kinda hoping they were going to put the Cowboys in the West when they realigned… imagine that rivalry!
But if the Rams move back to LA it will make more sense.
by musamonster on Jan 12, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
They won't. That Stadium was just built not too long ago.
They like St. Louis…
If anyone goes to L.A. it’s gonna be the Jags or Raiders. I somehow suspect that the NFL probably won’t want the Jags to be the team there.
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Mike Davis wants out of Oakland.
I would have to think they would be the front runner. His Dad always wanted a new stadium there. And they already have a fan base.
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When the Raiders last moved to L.A. ...
… the company i was working for , had the contract for all the Team up grades and needs for all the faculities that needed renovation , i will have to say that Al was a prick to work for …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Oh I have no doubt about that.
That’s probably why he didn’t get a Stadium when he tried.
But no matter what, and NFL Stadium is going to go up there. The city has approved it already.
I think the Raiders make the most sense all things considered.
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All the fans in Oakland will be pissed.
All the fans in L.A. will be happy again.
…just like before.
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Everything and i do mean everything , was Silver and black , quit depressing and a drab place to work in ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Oh don't be too shocked if Rams go back
They have a new owner, and if there is a shiny new stadium in LA someone will jump. With the right stadium deal a team moving there would instantly jump in value. Though I have a feeling AEG may have an inside track on owning an NFL team, there could be 2 teams in that building
Rams just had a Stadium built a few years ago.
Unless another NFL team wants to go occupy that one, I doubt the NFL lets the Rams go anywhere.
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Same, can't really like the 9ers because of the history...
but don’t hate them. That is saved for the Dirty Birds.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on Jan 12, 2012 2:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And the Rams…all started with Mike Martz and his cocky self
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 5:50 AM PST up reply actions
I DO love N'awlins
I have family in Harrihan. Also, I notice that inevitably, when talking sports with fans of opposing teams, people behave better in real life. Not to say folks can’t behave on the internet- most do. Merely that those who want to act like jackasses usually hide behind the anonymity of a computer screen to do it.
And, the 49ers bandwagon has also gotten more crowded recently too- the games I went to this year had an obnoxious contingent that didn’t used to turn out in such numbers.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
That's the problem with success
And, the internet.
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
my friend just had his honeymoon in NO
says it was 10X better than expected and his expectations were high. My mother also lists NO as one of her favorite cities. I have never been and I plan to. For the food alone is worth the trip
Cool!
Protip: don’t eat on Bourbon St. Or at a chain. Too many excellent restaurants to mess with any of that
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Recommendations?
I’ll be NO for my friend’s bachelor’s party. I’m looking to scope out some bomb dot com BBQ joints.
Eat at Coop's Place
It is on Decatur Street. Best REAL New Orleans food and people.
by HollywoodSaint on Jan 12, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Best one I have found is not in NO, but across lake Pontchartrain
Sweet Daddy’s BBQ
"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang
Here's 2
Cochon: upscale, but amazing.
Squeal: not upscale, still very good
If y’all lose, I may give you a third
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
If you're willing to spend major bucks....
Commander’s Palace…. On three occassions in the past 20 years, Food and Wine Magazine has ranked them as the “best restaurant in the United States”.
great food
have to make reservations.
I give it 3 thumbs up…wait thats not a thumb
"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang
Idk I've always been partial to Deanie's in Bucktown
as the best place for great New Orleans food and atmosphere. Not to mention, you would be paying commanders palace prices. Plus, I was there when the Saints beat the Cowboys in ’06, so it has a special place in my heart.
"I'm in the Courtroom screaming Who Dat on the double, serving gumbo with a shovel, dog i'm on another level" -Jay Electonica
Last time I was in NO
I met a bunch of Niner fans :)
by musamonster on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
C'mon man, you are going beyond trash talking
"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang
start at the top?
So you’re saying I’m tacky and classless?
by David Fucillo on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
my ego...
got the best of me for a minute!
by David Fucillo on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Think he meant
cacky and tassle-less.
by Dukeston1 on Jan 13, 2012 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
DEDICATION
I will be here on game day for sure. I am a dedicated troll and I take my job very seriously!!!
by HollywoodSaint on Jan 12, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Niners are gonna make the Saints cry "there's no place like dome, there's no place like dome"
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
I'll be more happy with the win
than the tears of weeping fans
"We ask no quarter, we give no quarter" - Jim Harbaugh
by Method24 on Jan 12, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Feeling quietly confident
And EVERY fan should back their own team and these are two good teams so why are we so surprised at eachothers confidence
28-17 to the niners as our D locks it down and the crowd become the 12th man
by Dubniner on Jan 12, 2012 8:26 AM PST via mobile reply actions
32-17 niners!!!
Brees gets mugged…
by Zintzun22niner on Jan 12, 2012 8:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
they are playing the game in the tenderloin?
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Jan 12, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
nope Hunters Points
even scarier!!!!
by Frisco_Kid on Jan 12, 2012 9:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
This
is definitely accurate.
The Tenderloin can rough, and it’s definitely dirty, but for the most part, it’s not actually dangerous during the day. Most of the junkies are pretty harmless, and it’s just sad.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I used to live in the loin
not that scary. more entertaining… polk and geary. real freakshow out there!!!
by HollywoodSaint on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
More under the radar guys
on the Saints defense, since I think the entire offense (except for Jedidiah, who got mentioned) is full on everyone’s radar. Also, these guys are young, 22-24, so while our entire defense gets old and slow, this here is the future
Cam Jordan, rookie DE. Started slow, as rookies do, but has looked really aggressive lately
Jonathan Casillas, LB. Did a good job filling in for Vilma when he was out.
Ramon Humber, LB. I might be the only one who likes this guy. He’s not large, but he’s tenacious.
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
Dunbar fills in for Vilma mate
And don’t forget rookie Martez Wilson. He will likely see action in the 3-4 defense, probably on 3-3 also.
"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang
Now the gloves come off!!!!!!
This is not gonna be a heavyweight fight, no sir! Because Niners don’t play that, we love those dirty street fights, no refs, just fans cheering the Gore (hint, hint) on. We taking this back old school. That punch you in the mouth, ripped shirts, black eyes, bloody face, down and dirty style. The aints can’t handel that, no sir, not one bit. No more Mr. Nice Guy fooch. I can’t knock them for being confident and thinking they are going to win but 10pts. really? No respect at all. I honestly think it we gon whoop dat a**, sorry for being ghetto but I had to go back to the old school style. They really think they can run the ball LOL. The thing that ticks me off is they know the aints D’ sucks, yet they aren’t mentioning our weapons. Who is gonna stop Vernon Davis? Frank Gore? No? Too slow? Frank the Tank has been fighting his whole career for this opportunity and you guys don’t show him respect. AleX is iron man, I’ve seen him come back on the aints last year week 2 (fracking manusky and his soft prevent D) Drew struggled then and will again. Kyle, kendall and miller are flying under the radar too. U guys are lucky we won’t have D.Walker. crabtree gon kill yaw with that YAC and I’m going to be at home enjoying it, sippin’ on some YAC (Hennessy). Brees gonna have 99 problems (A.smith) and the cowboy (J.smith) gonna finish you him off. Oh yeah almost forgot we got the best LB in world and shouldn’t have to mention his name, and we cloned him, we call that freak Bowman
by BUDDED420 on Jan 12, 2012 8:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions
You’re bragging on your offense? Seriously? HA!
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 5:54 AM PST up reply actions
Like one of your own even said...
this is the kind of offense that CAN kill the Saints. If we can run the ball well, and convert on 3rd and in the red zone, Brees will be off the field quite a bit, and will have to be almost perfect when he is on the field. Which means not throwing 3-4 balls that would be picked that the Lions dropped last week.
I don’t think our offense will be lights out, but that’s the way to stop the Saints offense: keep Brees OFF the field. Hopefully the Niners can do this, but it’s gonna be super hard.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Convert on 3rd down? Since y’all brag on being knowledgeable on the stats, do an analysis on your 3rd down offensive conversion rate and our 3rd down defensive conversion rate.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 7:02 AM PST up reply actions
I'd say 34-24 Niners
with the proviso that we get a D or ST TD (or they gift wrap at least 1). Saints D isn’t going to be effective and we’re going to ahve big t.o.p.
Oh, we WILL get a defensive touchdown
And multiple turnovers. Too many honey badgers on that defense for us not to.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Saints aren't going to have the answers for a real defense.
since it will be the first time they see one all year.
by Zintzun22niner on Jan 12, 2012 8:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions
All great cities,
Not sure what they have to do with defenses, though, outside of Houston.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
So a top 10 defense (yards per game) isn’t a real defense? Just looking at the comment I replied to. Of course, we knocked Atlanta out of the top 10, but playing us twice tends to skew stats.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 7:05 AM PST up reply actions
Atlanta Defense
12th in Yards, 18th in pts allowed
Would put them in the decidedly average range.
The Saints put up 363 and 463 yards on em….6 other teams also were able to put 350+ yards on them.
Yards per game is a lousy way to judge anything
Packers rank 31st in the league in yards per game given up. Patriots rank 32nd. Are those the two worst defenses in the league?
Niners haven't got far to fall
We’re already playing with house money when you consider our expectations going into the year
"We ask no quarter, we give no quarter" - Jim Harbaugh
35-10
That’s pretty confident in the Saint’s D if you asked me… the 30th ranked pass D that Smith will be able to make plays on, and a run defense that allows 5.0 yards a play.
In my opinion, Niners will have to stop the Saint’s run first, and turn that into pressure on Brees. The Niner’s run D is a clear step better than the other Ds in the league, allowing 15 yards less a game than the next best run D, the Ravens. Stopping the run will put the pressure on Brees to carry the game. He might put up yards then, but he will also put himself in position to throw picks.
by musamonster on Jan 12, 2012 9:00 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
22-19
At least 3 field goals by Akers. A td to VD and gore on a 34 yard scamper…just saying.
Some of the folks over at CSC cannot handle facts or stats to make their team seem "mortal"...
So a lot of them are resorting to hurling personal insults… just a heads up for everyone that has been going over there.
Forget about talking about real football stuff.
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So a lot of them are resorting to hurling personal insults
awww poor widdle baby.
id love to see the insults. got a link to the thread?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
no i meant d like to see them devolve into insults because i dont believe they really did
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 12, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Pick a thread over there.
I’m sure they’ll love you an welcome you with open arms.
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by Blank x2 on Jan 12, 2012 9:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Do you take the wrong side of EVERY argument
in real-life too?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Doubtful.
And I imagine he is probably the type of guy that would actually to be cool to have around in a bar just because you would laugh at him everytime the Niners did something good… because he would just roll his eyes.
On the real though, I doubt he is nearly this bad in real life.
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And he will probably be the only negative commenter on here that will actually be
genuinely happy if the Niners do happen to win a Superbowl… unlike a couple of others.
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Yup , he stands alone ...!!
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by Edggy on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Their team has these fans stuck in lala land.
Saturday going to be painful for them especially because numbers never lie. Niners will win their sixth this year.
by Zintzun22niner on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Their team has these fans stuck in lala land.
Saturday going to be painful for them especially because numbers never lie. Niners will win their sixth this year.
by Zintzun22niner on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I know. I've went less and less each day.
Bringing up facts on paper, and not even saying it matters, but simply saying it and getting called a delusional homer gets old real quick.
No offense, Saints fans, but you aren’t the dynasty you think you are.
I mean, I was called a homer for disagreeing with one of them who said Jerry Rice (yes, te GOAT) wasn’t even in the conversation for greatest player of all time. If that’s the case, call me a G.D. Homer. Some logic would be appreciated on their barrage of nonsense most of the time.
There are some good people to chat with at CSC, but most of them have been too much. Sorry in advance, cause one will be here on a minute to call me a delusional hypocritical homer.
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by Blank x2 on Jan 12, 2012 9:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I know , I know , I know ... Nice triple post Thursday ...!!
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I saw a couple of other doubles… something wacky with the formatting right now or something.
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I wonder how they felt
losing to the Seahawks last year?
the loss to the seahawks
was a completely different team. we had no running game whatsoever, graham was injured, brees was in a funk that year, etc…
I am telling you in all honesty, comparing this year’s saints playoff team with last year is night and day. they really have little to nothing in common other than the jerseys.
by HollywoodSaint on Jan 12, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Be prepared to not have a running game on Saturday too
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by Drew Kerr on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Not having a running game, and not having any running backs are two different animals
Just saying
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I fully expect that you will compensate with screen passes.
But all of our linebackers are pretty fast sideline to sideline. Two of the fastest in the league… and I am sure your running backs will be shadowed. At least Sproles when he is in there.
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Good observations, but
I was talking about last season in playoffs(not having RBs)
last time we played(2010) I do seem to remember seeing screen passes that I had never seen before. and the announcers going on and on about them.
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Saints will EXTERMINATE the 49ers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXS6TzxdeN4
"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang
I watched exactly 2 seconds of that.
Most annoying sound in the world… more annoying than the most annoying sound in the world made by Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber ever….
More annoying than your entire team and all the media blow up about them… More annoying than Tim Tebow and Brett Favre coverage combined…
And most of all… more annoying than you sir. Haha jk
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Last year it was because we were down to our 3rd string RB and a bunch of guys we picked up as castaways from other teams at midseason. Talk about underestimating. Y’all haven’t faced a team with multiple RB threats with different running styles like we have.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:02 AM PST up reply actions
Also, Roman Harper attempting pass coverage
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
Bum ankle...
He’s gonna have a rough time blitzing and covering especially. We’ve got some burners on offense.
He says he is playing, right?
I don’t even recall what happened and I just re-watched that game last night on NFLN. Must’ve missed what happened twice.
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He says he's playing
The only reason he was in coverage against the Seagulls was a load of injuries to our CBs. Old Hasslebeck recognized it and exploited it.
Harper is a talented blitzer and if there’s anything wrong with him, the whole D will suffer.
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Do you know what happened?
I know it’s his ankle but when and how did it happen?
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Don't know
And Coach Payton would rather post his personal cell number than an accurate injury report. Maybe he slipped on some daiquiri vomit celebrating Alabama’s win.
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah... because I can't recall anything at all during the game.
He’s probably 100% for all anyone really knows.
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One thing that blew me away
the first time I was in Lousiana: The drive-through daiquiri places. Now, when I tell people about it, a lot of folks think I’m making it up.
I hear the Crescent City area has more daiquiri related injuries than any other area of the country- can you confirm or deny?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
That's a safe bet
Until recently, you could have an open container in your car, as long as you could pass a sobriety test. That may still be the case.
And, since the container is sealed with a plastic top, it’s not open until you poke the straw through the top.
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Outstanding
BTW, your sig cracks me up.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
yours is pretty good too
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Is anyone else singing the theme song in their head?
New Orleaaaaaannnns Original daiquiris
"I'm in the Courtroom screaming Who Dat on the double, serving gumbo with a shovel, dog i'm on another level" -Jay Electonica
This is something
all fans should be able to agree is awesome.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 13, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Same ish diff. toilet.
The aints went into Seattle game thinking they were gonna run ish and ran through by that M. Lynch. U guys were getting ahead of yourselves and u smell that? Same ish. As a matter of fact that’s how drew is going to smell after he sees Justin smith, big ray ray, 99 problems and the ice man is one crazy samoan!
by BUDDED420 on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If i can disagree with you...
In my opinion, from what I have read and heard about the Saints, they are not looking past this game. If anything, last years playoff game taught them that, the loss to the Rams this year taught them not to take things lightly. Simply put, I think they are taking this game very seriously. Your team stands in their way of achieving their goals. They know what they are up against but they are confident in how they are playing. They don’t plan to take the foot off the pedal until the season is over.
Cue the NN frenzy to post something about “well then they can take their foot off the pedal by Saturday night in five…four…three…two…one…”
Ha.
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
We feel like we have the formula to beat the Saints based on what we've seen both from
watching our teams and yours… it may or may not happen… but the better TEAM will win the game.
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Well someone is going to win
I think whoever plays mistake free football will be the one who wins it. I for one never blame the reffing in a game as there are way to many blown/crappy calls both ways. I don’t think either team is missing its key players due to injury (last year our loss to Seattle, IMO, was due to the fact that our RB’s were decimated and losing Malcolm Jenkins forcing Harper into more coverage situations caused him to be burnt for three TD’s). Both teams are good, both are the best at what they do. Someone is going to flub their lines at some point and that is the team that will be calling it a season.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Missing Walker and Morgan on offense for us.
Those were/ are/ have been important pieces… but the guys who have filled in have done an exceptional job.
I think even in a perfect world…meaning, both teams playing “mistake free” that the 49ers still have the ingredients to beat the Saints. I think if we were playing in New Orleans it would be a different game for sure. But that’s not the scenario.
I know the Saints’s players are confident no matter where they have played; or so they’ve said. But so have the 49ers been. Both teams feel like they can beat any team in the NFL right now and both teams are playing their best football for the most part.
I agree about reffing but if there is some blatant craziness, then I won’t hesitate to point it out; on either side.
One thing that I think I can say for sure, is that the Saints are an older football team age wise on paper and I feel like the 49ers are a more physical team; sometimes age plays a factor, other times experience prevails. We’ll so how that plays out in the 4th quarter when crunch time comes in to it.
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You definitely have the ingredients
Just like we have them to beat your team. There is absolutely no reason for either team to lack confidence. 13-3 doesn’t lie.
Honest questions for you. I know that our O has shown the ability numerous times to move down the field quickly and score. If the game is close, as I assume it will be, how do you feel about your team being able to go 90 yards in say 2 minutes? Has it happened many times this year?
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Yeah... it has happened a few times.
Eagles, Lions, and Bengals games come to mind right off the top. Alex also conducted a good two-minute drill against you all last year on MNF if you recall. Just left :38 seconds on the clock for Brees, so that was a coaching blunder.
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Well that doesn't help.
Thanks for nothing.
Ha.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
And both teams should have bright futures…so maybe we can keep the rivalry going?
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:06 AM PST up reply actions
OK…for you and all the others here talking trash and asking for people to come here if we lose. Are y’all gonna come post on our blog if you lose? Just curious since y’all are so sure that this is just like last season at Seattle…
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
yeah few of us will most likely come over and congratulate you guys on a win
we’re not all as bad as you guys seem to think
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
Brees was in a funk
He just threw for well over 400 yards that game. B
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Speaking of funk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdw7kxD8eUc
"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang
Seriously.
I was called a homer who defended everything Niners because I called somebody insane for arguing with him saying Jerry Rice (yes, Jerry Rice) isn’t even in the conversation for greatest player of all time. That makes me a homer.
Then on the same thread, I’m delusional and cocky for pointing out facts (yes, FACTS) about the Saints offensive numbers on the road.
I enjoy chatting win opposing fans, but I’ve been going less and less. It’s getting too much to handle. Not all are annoying and brash, but the few are ruining it for me. Logic is desperately needed for some. Desperately.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 12, 2012 9:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Some of them are huffing too many backwoods swamp fumes or something I guess.
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Yes , i can see them now ...!!
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by Edggy on Jan 12, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Hahaha
sometimes I go on espn 140 section to debate. But mostly is just filled with knuckleheads just wanting to hate. Which is fine too because argueing with opponents is a nice stress relief
by Zintzun22niner on Jan 12, 2012 9:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I got a punching bag in my garage for that.
Blogging just doesn’t seem to do it for me.
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Thats good and all but
my demented brain doesn’t quit get its fix unless I realize that I’m giving someone a hard time. Then its allll goood…
by Zintzun22niner on Jan 12, 2012 9:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that was me
…and your rebuttal pretty much came down to, “Are you nuts? That’s absurd! You must be crazy!” You didn’t address any of my contentions, which I shall copy below, viz:
This is why Jerry Rice is not the greatest player ever
He was a wide receiver. Big deal. To be the greatest player ever, you would have to be either:
1. A quarterback, since that’s by far the most important position; or
2. A two-way player.
The greatest quarterback ever automatically trumps the greatest wide receiver ever. You can make an excellent argument that that man is Joe Montana; but you could also make a good argument that it’s Johnny Unitas or Otto Graham. But only one quarterback has ever led the league in passing, punting, and interceptions in the same season, and that was Sammie Baugh, who gets my vote as the greatest all-around football player of all time.
Jerry played a long time, so he accumulated a lot of stats, and he was a dominant player for much of his career. But anyone who doesn’t think his "goat" status is a result of stat-padding is a homer, pure and simple.
So, you get another chance to come up with reasonable arguments against my contentions. I’m not saying it can’t be done…just that you didn’t do it.
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Greatest player arguments are subjective
Depends on what you view as great: dominance of position, longevity, altering the game, era comparisons. I would consider his long career as a position to point out his greatness. (he did not pad his stats, he was considered the greatest WR long before he even left SF). I could make a case to point out that Mike Alstott is the greatest player of all time because there are no set rules. Take this: The National Football League has recognized Jerry Rice as the greatest individual player of all time.
You know, I think you guys don't even remember your own history
Do you recall this guy called Joe Montana? He won two Super Bowls passing to Dwight Clark and Freddie Solomon, before Jerry Rice was even in the league. Montana could have made me look good. Having Jerry Rice wasn’t enough to make Rich Gannon a great quarterback. So if you want to argue about difference-makers, you can use an example from your own past…just make sure you use the right one.
And as for making arguments from authority…all I can say is, San Francisco must have changed an awful lot since I lived there,
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
very well
A man that was 6’2 180 lbs and threw more interceptions than touchdowns is the greatest player of all time.
Rich Gannon
Was MVP with Rice. Case made.
Oh
and Gannon took his team to a Super Bowl too
Losing
doesn’t disqualify that he got there and was MVP. With Rice. Oh yeah, he lost to his old coach who had a HELL of a defense and knew everything the Raiders do.
take a look at Gannon's stats AFTER Rice joined the team in 2001
http://www.nfl.com/player/richgannon/2500754/profile
gannon’s completion percentage jumped from 60% to a career high of 65%.
I guess I wrongly thought logic would work
always worth a try
Too bad they don't make tire boots for keyboards.
Someone should clearly put one on his until he comes back to reality.
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Yeah... I mean the next guy closest to Jerry is ONLY 8,000 yards behind him...
Pfffft… WAY overrated…
Holy Tebow!!
Who is this guy?
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Actually, having Jerry Rice made Gannon league MVP
And took the Raiders to their lone Super Bowl in the past 28 years.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah, good thing he got there to teach Tim Brown how to be a good WR and Jon Gruden how to coach.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:10 AM PST up reply actions
They don't call him the greatest for nothing, you know.
He taught Walsh the West Coast offense before he got to San Francisco, and he taught Montana and Young how to be Hall of Famers.
Where have YOU been?
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Didn't he invent fire?
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When you lead the league
in passing, punting and interceptions, it makes me think you are still playing with the old rugby rules.
Rice might be the greatest of all time, and his numbers back it up. no one is touching those for a long time. Owens and Moss looked to be getting close, and then their careers abruptly ended. Jim Brown might be the one who could make a claim as well.
But it is very impressive that Rice was carrying the tag GOAT WHILE HE WAS PLAYING.
Your argument violates the following fallacies and is therefore invalid.
Begging the question.
Biased sample.
Burden of proof.
False dilemma.
Red Herring.
Questionable cause.
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
You want examples of how your argument violates logic?
Follow the link, do some learning, and if you still don’t understand just let it go.
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
I hadn't thought about it
I don’t have a list prepared. But it would have to include Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Otto Graham, and Sammy Baugh, as I stated before. To that I’d add Walter Payton (the best all around running back who ever played), Jim Brown (the best pure runner who ever played), and defenders such as Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White, who were probably the most dominant defensive players of my lifetime. And receivers like Don Hutson, Lance Alworth, Raymond Berry…and Jerry Rice. I’ve probably missed a few.
And Jerry might be in the top ten.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
very good
Thank you for including Walter (one of my favorite players ever).
Again, this is purely subjective. Its fun to make lists. But I can argue that OJ Simpson should be on the list. If your argument the entire time was that we should not just crown Jerry Rice as the greatest player ever then the point is made. Its all based on preference.
Go google Rice's stats.
What more of an argument do I need?
1500 catches for 22000 yards and over 200 TDs. As that was before the NFL catered to QBs and WRs.
Try to imagine what they guy would do in the present NFL. Like I said, you’re entitled to your opinion that he isn’t the greatest player, even though I disagree. But saying he isn’t even in the conversation is, in fact, absurd and insane.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 12, 2012 2:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
As Reagan liked to say
“…there you go again.”
You still haven’t addressed my main argument, except to repeatedly call it absurd and insane. How is it either? In what way? Offer examples.
I’ll restate it so you have it fresh: quarterback is a more valuable position than wide receiver. Therefore, the greatest quarterback automatically trumps the greatest wide receiver. (So, in all probability, does the 2nd greatest quarterback…and the 3rd…and the 4th…) The reason is simple: the offense runs through the quarterback. The quarterback touches the ball on every play. He calls many of them (he used to call all of them). Not only that, but the best receiver is hardly ever the only receiver on the field—he’s part of a corps.
Then there’s the argument that the best football player of all time would have to be someone who did more than just one thing. Like play quarterback, and defensive back, and punt—and establish records (some of which stand today) for all of them. Not because he’s an iron man, but simply because he’s demonstrated a level of versatility that a player of one position only cannot match.
These are the reasons why Jerry Rice—a non-quarterback who played only one position in his career—cannot be considered the greatest player of all time.
Now, it may be that I am, in fact, insane. I just want you to show what part of my argument proves that.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
And before this goes any further
I am not saying that Jerry Rice is not great, possibly (yes, possibly) even the greatest receiver of all time. All I’m saying is that there are too many people—including some in 49ers history—who were way more dominant and valuable to their teams than Rice was.
Let’s try a thought experiment: we’ll change the 1980s history of the 49ers so you only get one quarterback/number one receiver combo, and you get to choose: Montana throwing to Solomon, or Matt Cavanaugh throwing to Jerry Rice.
Tough decision.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
lost all credibility with your qualifier
Jerry Rice was the greatest WR of all time, most receptions, yards, TDs and seasons over 1000 yards and did it in a time that was more defense friendly.
Understand (though disagree) with your greatest player of all time comment, but that shouldn’t stop you from admitting that Jerry Rice is the best WR to have played the game.
How old are you?
I’ve been watching the game since the 1960s. Jerry Rice was very good. So were lot of other receivers who didn’t play as long and so didn’t accumulate Rice’s stats.
Remember: he played the bulk of his career on a passing team with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks. That helps enormously.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
So now you are basically discrediting Rice because of how he managed to stay healthy and sustain his production for so long, when most people couldn’t.
Wow…
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
I think he was just saying that
it should be accounted for — the fact that he had two HOF QBs while playing a position whose production is heavily dependent on the QB play.
I’m not debating the QB part, that is a valid point.
Sounded like he was making the argument other receivers would have put up similar numbers if they played as long, which is kind of irrelevant because they didn’t.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Funny how other WRs who played with Montana and/or Young
Still don’t touch Rice. Look at John Taylor.
Not. Even. In. The. Same. Universe.
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Terrel Owens is the next guy in line (he played for 5 diff teams):
Jerry Rice: 22,895 yards – 1st in Touchdowns: 197
next in line…
Terrell Owens: 15,934 yards – 2nd in Toucdowns: 153
That is just ridonkulous. That’s better than like Michael Jordan type numbers in contrasting sports.
The guy who is arguing must’ve never played Tecmo Bowl Haha! …11 guys on him and he still catches it.
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Damn right.
Dude was like Vick on Madden ’04. No way to stop it unless you turn the game off.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Not sure what my age has to do with anything
but I’ve been watching 49ers games since the mid-80s.
Remember: Rice has more yards from scrimage than any other player EVER. That’s not just passing yards.
None of the Saints receivers are on pace to pass him, despite having Brees, none of the Colts receivers managed to pass him despite having Manning. Moss, even with the help of Brady, still finished his career nearly 44 receiving TDs behind Rice.
Rice has 208 career TDs, 33 more than second place Emmitt Smith.
And it’s not just homerism. In 2010 the NFLN had him ranked as the #1 greatest player ever.
by reedkrase on Jan 12, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you.
Rec for logic and common sense.
Love how he ignores that the NFL players past and present voted Jerry número uno. But what would they know?
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
That is because Brees spreads the ball around. Jimmy Graham gets a lot of pub because he gets the same volume of throws as the WRs, but go look at the pass distribution.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:14 AM PST up reply actions
Brent Jones caught a few passes in his day
As did Craig. It’s not like Jerry was getting every throw, so I’m not sure where you are trying to go with this.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Just saying that you don’t need to talk about the lack of a dominant WR in the New Orleans offense to prop up Jerry Rice. It doesn’t really add anything of value because the offenses are different.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 7:07 AM PST up reply actions
A few receivers played with one or more HoF QBs.
Guess what? They didn’t sniff Rice’s strata either.
I’m done with this though. If you want to live in the 1950s, go for it.
rice is still the GOAT to 99% of the world, and we can surely live with that.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Did you read the part below
Where I said players voted him the best player ever. While he was playing and after.
I’m sure they know more than us. I’m sure they love QB/punters/kickers/water boys ith no face masksnas much as you do, though. But they like Rice better. And, again, I’m pretty sure they know more about what makes a great player than we do, friend.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Also...
Like somebody pointed out, Rice was voted as the GOAT while he was playing as well as after. And that was by NFL players.
Call me crazy, but I think they know a little more about what makes the greatest players more than we do.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 12, 2012 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No reply to this?
I’m shocked. The guy asks for evidence, I give it, and he vanishes.
Love it.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Rice was the greatest player of all time.
He owns all of the major career WR records, and by a TON He owns his position in a way that no other player has ever owned their position, and it’s also an important position.
The only other player an argument can be made about is Jim Brown. That is why the NFL itself named them number 1 and number 2, with Rice winning.
http://top100.nfl.com/all-time-100
There is no argument about this.
MtnExile
Will have one of this “logic” and these “facts” we speak of.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
None of it. LoL
This iPad is two seconds from shatteredville.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I’m not even gonna bother with it…
If they come over here (which the ones that are resorting to that surely won’t unless it’s to banana’s like that LionsD guy did) I will just more than likely be like “good game”. That’s it.
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And what exactly do you plan to do if you lose?
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:15 AM PST up reply actions
Trolled?
I may move to New Orleans with a megaphone if we win. I’ll be on the news, for good or bad. LoL
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by Blank x2 on Jan 12, 2012 9:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
hire a plane to fly a banner that says
NINERS DAT!
trolling takes comittment
I am trolling win or lose.
by HollywoodSaint on Jan 12, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Wow.
Thank you, SBNation, for giving me the “your post could not be posted” error, then post my message 15 times.
All I needed. More aggregation today.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 12, 2012 9:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
They're not interested in football debate
Which some people on this site are a little ‘crazed’ about.
They just want to sit there and talk about the Saints are the best, Brees is the best, etc, and to heck with anything that says otherwise. To each his own.
To your credit, I actually got a reasoned response to 3rd down conversions for both teams’ offensive and defensive units. Although I am guessing it was more out of respect for our offense than defense.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 5:59 AM PST up reply actions
A lot of them? Seriously? I know there are a few and some of them post the volume of comments to fit a lot of people, but you’re really only talking about a handful of people. Same as you run into on any of the blogs.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 5:58 AM PST up reply actions
Real question
can saints defense match our Offense. I know ours can..
by Zintzun22niner on Jan 12, 2012 9:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Yes…we’ve held much better offenses under 20 points this season. And look at the third down conversion stats on both sides of the ball…scary
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
Rough game to predict
Brees is pretty amazing, Graham is crazy athletic, Saints D is the most consistent (in my opinion) of the 3 offensive powerhouse teams (GB, NE, NO). They are a professional, confident team. Brees is a viper and he can strike for a tf at any time.
Niners D is phenomenal, pressure heavy, and slows scoring to a crawl. Smith is looking confident throwing the ball to Crabs, VD, and any other sexually transferable receiver we have. Gore is Gore and he has has a lot of time to rest up. This game will come down to clock management and not losing momentum with a young team in its first playoff game together.
49ers win 26-24, with Brees throwing 2 TD’s, Smith throwing 1. Akers with 4 FG’s
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by Giant Voodoo on Jan 12, 2012 9:27 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
"Sexually transferable receiver"
Bwah hah ha!
Rec’d!
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
lol rec from me as well
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
Do they make cajun crow?
Because they’re going to have to start a buffet line of it after this game?
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I had a cajun turducken once
Pretty tasty!
I've always been suspicious of turducken
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De-lish!
It even had shrimp gumbo as the stuffing.
Interesting.
All I know is I am going to make a bomb 7-layer dip for the game and have some iced down beer ready to go for the game on Saturday.
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Well if you're ever in the mood
have enough people and don’t want to prepare it yourself:
http://www.cajungrocer.com/fresh-foods-holiday-dishes-turducken-c-1_15_24.html
I may just have to suggest that for next Thanksgiving after all.
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You are basically declaring war
on your arteries. That sounds a-MAZING. Thanks for the info.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder
what the poor people are doing :)
by musamonster on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Why do you care about New Orleans fans? LOL
Ba dum ching!
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Wow... that was bad.
I am flagging myself for that one.
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I can hide it if you want
Its not accurate as New Orleans is prospering again and tourism is back up. For all that they have had to go through, the city has rebounded amazingly well. Good people down South are honey badgers. They don’t give a ….
Much like your passing game
Cha ching
Take it with a grain of salt your joke was begging for a come back
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Speak o' which
Did you guys hear about Harbs making the whole team watch the honey badger video, with highlights from the season spliced in?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
No more honeybadger...
We have upgrade to Shark Riding On An Elephants Back Eating And Trampling Everything In The Way
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what is that?
I’ve seen you mention that a couple times.
by David Fucillo on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Any way you can shorten that
to 5 syllables or less?
As is, by my counting, we have at least six honey badgers on this team, and maybe a few guys looking to earn that designation Saturday.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
We have
Seven SROAEBEATEITW’s…. and 4 Honeybadgers
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SROAEBEATEITW's
just doesn’t seem like the easiest thing to yell when cheering.
I will go with Honey Badger _______(player’s last name to be filled in).
Or, every time a Niners player does something well, I might just yell “attaway Smith!!!”. Whether or not they are actually named Smith.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Nah
With friends.
Spent the money I had for in-person sporting events on the Monday Night Game against the Steelers.
Incredibly excited though!
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
The ridiculous thing about that
is Tyrann Mathieu, A New Orleans kid, got nicknamed Honey Badger a while back.
For Harbaugh to try and steal that, when ESPN has basically renamed the kid, is just dumb.
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
The honey badger thing
has been out long enough, and seen by enough people, that it’s sort of just public domain, ie, no one’s personal title/property.
Although, Jim DID call me before doing it, asked me what I thought, and we agreed to do it JUST to bother you and Mathieu :)
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Nashville Predator fans
have been calling their rookie Craig Smith that too… I’m not sure which happened first, and I’m sure others are doing it too. It must be something contagious going around.
by musamonster on Jan 12, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
They've been calling Anthony Dixon that for a while too now because of
his yellow mohawk…
But now he just has bright banana yellow colored hair.
Kenny Stills from Oklahoma has that look too… not sure why, it looks silly.
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Wow...
I would be calling in for sure… 9 years man….9 years….
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I'm the boss
that means we can’t get sick, ever. My office has a door. Maybe more comfortable than home except I have to keep my pants on.
My sister works in an office where they are allowed to bring beer to work as long as it’s not more than a six pack… if they hit their goals, the boss buys a keg.
I suggest you incorporate that at wherever you work… dude gets results. It’s really a cutting edge way for people to actually want to go to work and do well. Works wonders.
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Can she get me a job?
Do they have a Bay Area office?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Had that job ...
… but my boss never new about the Keg , hence the word ( Had ) …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Good judgment often comes from experience
Experience, however, often comes from bad judgment.
Really happy for you that things are working better these days.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks bro , once i found my peace i was good to go ...!!
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by Edggy on Jan 12, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dunno... I like wings a lot. Haha
I gotta get out of here soon too… I really have never cared for AZ.
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That's why I threw my resume out there...AZ sucks
Portland, ME is an amazing city…had never heard of it before, though
If I was still in AZ, I’d be at this playoff game tho =(
Flights were too long to make it practical and I said F it after I couldn’t get tickets directly
Yeah, I want to go back to the bay area... or somewhere in California at least.
AZ doesn’t feel like home even though my entire family is here.
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And when you lose? How well are you going to take your serving?
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:19 AM PST up reply actions
I'll say good game, and we'll see you next you (99% sure we play you in the regular season)
I’ll try to ignore the couple people from CSC who will be children. For the majority (who seem to actually be adults), I’ll wish you guys well and luck, and that’ll be it.
Hopefully we get the same treatment if we were to win.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Sounds good. Whoever wins this game will have fought hard for it…that much is for sure.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
Stop the run... minimize big plays over the top.... control the clock on offense and score points.
That’s the formula.
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35-10...
wow.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
After eight seasons with no postseason appearances, a 49ers playoff tradition will continue on Saturday. The 49ers confirmed Thursday that the end zones at Candlestick Park will be painted red for the occasion of their divisional playoff game Saturday against the New Orleans Saints.
Read more: Traditional red returns to Candlestick end zones for playoffs
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
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No it will probably be like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JX9pVLYHu4
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You're gonna have to fast forward, sorry.
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I loved that game
Hopefully this Saturday is MUCH lower scoring!
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
On a lineman that was an ineligible receiver?
That’s why it wasn’t called… illegal man downfield = illegal man downfield.
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This. I argued with my friend who's a Giants fan repeatedly about this.
You can’t call PI on a lineman who is not eligible.
That’s like calling roughing the passer when a RB gets hit. Doesn’t work that way.
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I couldn't see the endzone
because there wasn’t enough scoring.
Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?
so beautiful..
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you think they will bring back that word mark?
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
the 49ERS word
do you think they will bring back that one or use they one they are currently using now
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
It would nice to see them go old school
I am curious as to see what it will look like myself. I even dig the old school helmet.
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I thought it was called a word mark, I may be wrong lol
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Word ...!!
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Good catch.
After I posted it, I noticed that too and wondered if anyone else would.
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Nice.
Completely Blood red would be more intimidating IMO, but that’s a pretty cool tradition. You guys must be happy to see it back.
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
I posted a pic
That’s probably similar to see what it will look like. And yeah, it’s great to see after a 8 year drought. This team is going to be fired up.
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I am sure a few beverages will be consumed.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
It'll be the loudest Candlestick will have been since that last score in the youtube link posted above.
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Was really surprised when
EVERYONE from Showtime Inside the NFL picked the Niners to upset.
49ers 2012 Offseason: HELP WANTED at WR, DBs, & O-Line
by Giants49war on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
That is surprising.
Most people have already got us vacationing and fishing in the offseason.
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Inside the NFL hates the Saints. I think they’d like to burn all of the game tape from the 2009 season and pretend it never happened.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 13, 2012 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
Being confident in your team is one thing, ignoring reality is another...
49ers have scored 23.8 points per game, good for 11th in the league.
There’s just no way you hold us to only 10 points seeing as that average included playing against considerably better defenses than the Saints throughout the year (the AFC North, Seattle and Arizona)
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+1
I’m very confident that the 49ers can pull this off, so I don’t blame Saints fans for being just as confident in their team. However, to say that we’ll hold a prolific offense like NO’s to 10 points is plain disrespectful IMO. I hope we do, but as good as that offense is I don’t think it’s likely. For their fans to say that they’ll blow us out 35-10? With a defense as great as ours, and on the flip side a defense as bad as theirs, is to me a slap in the face. Can’t wait until Saturday so we can shut these morons up.
One guy does not = a fan base
So he is overly confident in how the Saints are playing now. Just a thought, but could have went with
…Can’t wait until Saturday so we can shutthesethismoronsguy up.
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GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
I really don’t want to have to have blood pressure probs during this game but I am starting to get the feeling that it is inevitable.
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this
people like to discount the Steelers game because Ben was injured, but our offense still scored 20 points on a defense that many say is the best in the NFL.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
[Cue obligatory Tim Tebow comment]
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by Virginia9er on Jan 12, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Niners did not play very well
on offense that day. This is why I don’t understand it when people say BR being hurt could not conceivable affected the outcome. I think most people turned the game off at halftime. It was like 3-0.
I never said Ben being hurt couldn't affect the outcome
it obviously did. My point is that many call the Steelers the best overall defense in the NFL, the Niners might not have had a great day offensively, but they were good enough to put up 20+ on them, it’s crazy to think that a much less talented Saints D is going to hold them to 10 at home.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
sometimes point opps
come from the field position/TO’s/#of possessions that the defense creates. The Niners had like 250 yards or so that game. They kept getting possessons after possession, some after TO. The Saints aren’t likely to afford the offense that luxury.
Who dat vs who got it better go niners all the way
by Moflush on Jan 12, 2012 11:32 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Not really
Which is why we had a bye week and have you coming to our home field, while you guys played on wild card weekend…..not to mention those 5 rings, but hey. Ignorance is bliss they say.
You do realize you are beaking one of your own right?
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Yea, my bad lol
Listening to KNBR, working, well hardly working at least. The anxiety is getting to me, I share my office with a Raiders fan so pray for me. One can only take so much tension…..
Duly noted.
Where I am from, all I have around me are Vikings fans. Talk about tension. Was waiting on random punches after we beat them in the NFCCG.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
My bad, just re-read your comment.
Guess I should focus on work a bit more and stop half a$$ reading comments, can’t wait to get to it though. This waiting game is killing me, especially with all this talk from these dillusional fans
Failed attempt at humility
let’s face it, he’s no Aaron Rodgers
Come on man, that’s like us saying Patrick Willis is no Ray Lewis. Drew Brees is pretty much the equivalent to Aaron Rodgers in skills. Thay aren’t exactly the same, but can you really clearly say which one is better?
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
I may be wrong
But I think he was being sarcastic. Brees vs. Rodgers is a hotly contested debate. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.
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Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
That's right, Grumps.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 12, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
which is why the Saints are a better matchup
for us than the Packers. Packers have a better D in my view than the Saints too, despite the poor season numbers.
You mean the 31st ranked DEFENSE , dang bro , you have too sober up one day ...!!
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you are asking someone else to sober up?...
Not saying they’re good, but that ranking is yards I believe…Playing in shootouts, getting out to early leads and forcing the opponent to play catch up…
You mean like last week when Detroit jumped out to a 10-0 lead and then dropped 3 INT's.
GTFOHWTBS!!!
Had to go rlott#42 on ya
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Illustration to debunk your attitude.
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I don't know what that game
has anything to do with my view of the Packers defense compared to the Saints.
Well I just spelled it out for you.
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at least we can agree that
you don’t know what you read and that my attitude is found undesirable to you.
In other words... they didn't do this as early as last week
Playing in shootouts, getting out to early leads and forcing the opponent to play catch up…
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I was talking about the Packer defense
and part of why they are ranked 31st in defense.
Reading comprehension…
Thanks for playing , who's next ...!!
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Well you don’t have to worry, I won’t be on here for the game. However, I will be on afterwards to eat a massive amount of crow, or say a few words and have it devolve into a flame war if we lose.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM PST reply actions
wow reply fail. damn posting problems
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Or just plain ol' Alex Smith bashing no matter what the result.
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Saints
give up 5.0 yards per rush, tied for worst in the league. That can be exploited.
That can be exploited.
So can women. Won’t someone please think of the women!

Yeah…that’s the stuff.
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I would prefer less padding in this situation. But whatever floats your mcwagner.
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stats differential
Then why the difference in some of the numbers?
by David Fucillo on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's more of a home/away thing
Not so much grass/turf.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 12, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
grass vs. turf
If the Saints lose it will go beyond turf vs. grass, but that could still play some kind of role.
by David Fucillo on Jan 12, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
It could
but either way it’s hard to measure. Because we wouldn’t know what to measure or how to measure it.
I am a bit surprised
at how poorly Niner Nation people are taking the “disrespect” from the Saints fans and much of the mass media.
I thought we’d be used to underestimation by now.
It gets old and wears on anyone after a while...
Each game during the season, it was the same thing: talk all about the other team and hear comments that if SF pulls this one out then they might be taken more seriously. But nope…next game, same song. So now we get the #2 seed and still get no respect.
Fine. We get it. But we are tired of it and can’t wait to shut everyone up.
by ColoradoNiner on Jan 12, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Basically.
It will be the same song for a while though unfortunately. 8 years of losing will do that. Even if we won the Superbowl… some folks will STILL say “Oh…it was just a fluke” etc… It’s just the way it goes and there are A LOT of annoying people out there. And some of them even claim the red and gold.
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Because we learned this a long time ago ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I think the only thing that got to me was trying to say our defense is propped up by playing the NFC West…which is simply ridiculous.
We haven’t faced an offense like the Saints, but that doesn’t mean the defense isn’t elite.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
49ers are definitely a more balanced TEAM than the Saints.
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Nope.
points allowed = 2nd
points for = 11th
That’s a lot more balanced than the Saints no defense whatsoever.
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Finishing 11th
in scoring after what their defense has done for them — thanks to near last in 3rd down percentage and short yards, and Alex Smith and the play calling — is atrocious.
Let me ask you something there Cap , why do you suppose ...
… Brees , Rodgers and Brady are playing at such a high level right now , here’s a clue for ya , they have the same things in common …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
What did this rather obvious observation
about the 3 best QBs in the league have to do with anything?
Dang bro , my bad , forgot whom i was speaking too ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
by Edggy on Jan 12, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Finished 11th PPG, won 13 games, it comes down to whether or not you care how they win. Some people want flashy, some people just want to win and enjoy it no matter how it happens.
People have said the offense is going to bite us, but it hasn’t yet. Will it Saturday? Maybe and if we lose people will say it did no matter what, but that doesn’t make it true either. We may just simply lose…
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
You're right in that this game doesn't necassirly
“sum up” this team nor does it necassarily justify any one particular narrative. "I don’t care how the team wins’ is partly true because I always care how they perform, i.e., if they play well. My fear is that great offenses with great QBs will, more often than not, get “theirs” against anybody. So the question then becomes will the offense do their fair share. The regular season evidence is that they cannot. That goes out the window if you think this defense can hold down the Saints like they do pretty much everyone else. I don’t.
not entirely
Some of the evidence indicates they cannot, but there is evidence to the contrary (Eagles game, more effective red zone offense in the final three games). It is not so black and white as the offense has not proven itself to be particularly good this year. It is much more a shade of grey.
by David Fucillo on Jan 12, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
lmbo
Saints PA = 13th
Saints PF = 2nd
Yeah, Saints are way more unbalanced. C’mon man.
Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?
This doesn't filter through
because it interferes with the pro-Niner narrative. Although, the Niners have the best ST unit too. That being said, they are teams that are almost literally flip-flopped O and D.
by salary_cap on Jan 12, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you should hop on their bandwagon while it's hot then.
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What bandwagon?
The Saints have been good for awhile.
by salary_cap on Jan 12, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well you clearly think they are better...
So get while the gettin’ is good. We don’t need “fans” like you.
Saints fans or Packers fans can have you if they want you.
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We get disrespected
by the media, but not by those who know. That is why we were tied for most pro bowlers and had the most first team All-Pros
Correction: We get disrespected by the media and salary_cap, but not by those who know.
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by Drew Kerr on Jan 12, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Mix coverages and hope for the best."
I love this quote. As though we have no control in the process, it’s just about whether date my smiles on the 49ers. I guarantee Willis, Bowman and the Smiths are not “hoping for the best.”
But that’s ok, he’s a Saints fan and they should feel confident. I have just been surprised the media is not more wished up.
by hammystyle on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM PST via mobile reply actions
but something seems a little funky about the running game. Can you describe what is going on with it?
When everybody loves you, son, that’s just about as funky as you can be
Got to tell you somethin', go right to your head
I, I got a line, I got a line on you, babe
I think I'll buy myself a grey guitar and play
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Silly Dave
I will say Saints 35-10.
You forgot your math. You can’t get to 10 with field goals!
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TOP IS GAWD!
The groupthink between each respective blog has been absolutely nuts this week. And it deviated further and further from a midpoint as the week went on.
Now everyone thinks neither side is respecting the other one at all, which is not really the case.
Rather fascinating.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
I seems to be going that way--too much time to mull it over I guess. Saturday getting close...
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Dude...
It’s been eight years and two weeks outside of this regular season for us… you have no idea!
…or maybe you do… you were there a few years ago yourself…
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yeah, been there; I understand. It is tough to think that 49er fans have suffered but 8 years is a long time.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
That means we don't feel sorry for ya
hehe
"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang
Although I allmost felt sorry about the Lions
0-16 then 1st time in playoffs since and they have to play the Saints
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Nah... they deserved it.
Their team is filled with a bunch of A-holes.
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Lots of debate
I live near Sacramento now, and have seen most of the Niner games. I am also a life-long Saints fan and had season tickets until 2009 when I moved here. I have been a member of the CSC blog for a couple years now, and I have never seen so much confidence in our team. I can understand, the team has been strong for the last couple years and is playing at possibly the highest level (offensively) ever. The Niners are playing very well defensively, and have several advantages going for them. I think it will be competitive, but I also think that the Saints offense is nearly unstoppable right now. That may change Saturday, (I hope it doesn’t), but as long as neither team gets hosed with a bad, game-changing penalty or lack of penalty, I am going to enjoy the game and congratulate the losing team on a fine season and pull for the winning team to go all the way. GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!
Hmmm...
I probably shouldn’t come on this. ;-)
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 24, 2011 10:31 AM PDT

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