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Ask a Giants Fan: Part Dos: The Manning Menace

What a weekend!

In Week 10, if you told each fanbase that on Sunday, January 22, that the Giants would be playing at San Francisco for the right to go to the superbowl, each side would take it.

As you may remember, my name's Will and I'm the unofficial representative of BBV and Giants fan of the interwebz.

Sunday will feature a rematch of two teams very different from that Week 10.

A classic game from a classic rivalry is hopefully in the making, the 8th time our two beloved franchises will face off in the playoffs. The Giants beat the 49ers in the only NFC CC match between the two, 15-13 in 1990

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Brandon Jacobs

How does NY feel about him? Love him?

Does he tip toe and run out of bounds too much?

Talk to much?

Or just pure unadulterated love towards him?

My guess is that he is the kind of guy you love if he is on your team and hate him if you aren’t.

I would fall into the second category because of his comment about the 49ers being scared.

Can you imagine a little kid just standing there and getting picked on. They get rocks thrown at them. Spit on them. Alex’s just one of those guys, he’s been there. I just wish him all the best. I want to see him successful. I just want to see all good things happen to that guy. Because he is a warrior.

by 16to80fan on Jan 16, 2012 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

Oh Jacobs

Well it depends.

When the o-line opens up holes, he’s a beast. When they don’t, he gets stopped pretty easily. He’s a big guy, so when he gets to the second level it’s mostly unadulterated fear of him, especially vs the secondary. The problem is springing him there.

As for the fanbase, it follows that same pattern. I think when all is said and done, there will be more love than hate for him, even with some of the stupid things he’s said and done. He set the Giants record for TDs this year with fifty something.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s not on the team next year, just because he doesn’t fit the Giants system anymore, but I’ll sure be sad. If he goes to a team like the Texans or somewhere else with a good o-line, he’ll crack heads again

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 16, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Really , thanks for the insight ...

… When the o-line opens up holes, he’s a beast. When they don’t, he gets stopped pretty easily…!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

When the o-line opens up holes, he’s a beast. When they don’t, he gets stopped pretty easily.

sounds like the majority of RBs in this league, even some of the good ones.

by salary_cap on Jan 17, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ehh not necessarily

Bradshaw can make more out of nothing.

It may seem like an oversimplification, but the elite RBs can do more with less.

Jacobs will do more with “more” than most other RBs, but much less with “less”.

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

So let me get this straight ... more is more and less is less ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 6:36 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

all of this

especially the sad part…..(go team Big Boy!)

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 18, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Jacobs is an above average running back

his strength is when he gets 3 untouched yards. He is hell on LBs and DBs (Youtube Brandon Jacobs trucks ____ ) and I think it helps the physicality of our game.

What doesn’t get recognized is that B-Jake is one of the emotional leaders of our team. He’s a hotheaded jerk who will fight on the field and cost us penalties. But at the same time I think teams need a brash, mean, fightin’ bastard to set their tone.

I love brandon jacobs. He gives is fire and fight. As a RB, he’s maybe a little above average. But as a man, as a whole, i think he’s very good.

That said, I would be shocked if we ran for more than 90 yards this Sunday.

And, let me add this:

I love your football team. I love defense, I love team cohesion. I love the way the 49ers play ball. I can’t wait for this game. I LOVED you guys beating the Saints, I loved the Whitner KO of Pierre, I LOVED Vernon Davis. I have so much respect and admiration for your team it’s going to be impossible to hate on you this week.

It’s time to bring back the great 80s rivalry! This is what football is ABOUT!

Congratulations on your great season. Good luck.

If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The Giants are the team I loved to hate when I was young

We got a puppy when I was a kid and we were going to name it Pepper but then Pepper Johnson caused some problem for the 49ers and so that was out.

does anybody remember Pepper Johnson or is it just me?

Can you imagine a little kid just standing there and getting picked on. They get rocks thrown at them. Spit on them. Alex’s just one of those guys, he’s been there. I just wish him all the best. I want to see him successful. I just want to see all good things happen to that guy. Because he is a warrior.

by 16to80fan on Jan 16, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

amazing linebacker

they called them the Big Blue Wrecking Crew, yes? Been awhile and its not a nickname used often. Had to play in the shadows of the greatest athlete in NFL history. I liked Carl Banks more but Pepper was more than just pretty good.

by mcwagner on Jan 16, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

is now the Patriots DL coach

If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I was born in 1988, so by the time I started remembering things, the time of the

BigBlueWreckingCrew had passed :(

No recollection of the 49ers-Giants rivalry….first memory of an important game between us came in 2003 on that godforsaken game haha

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

then look up Bavaro vs. Lott

Bavaro was one of the only men in the universe to challenge Lott hit to hit and actually win a couple times

by mcwagner on Jan 16, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I've watched all the highlights...of ALL the "old schoolers"....not just the Giants.

Those guys were legen….wait for it….

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

dary

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 16, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

BOOM

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

So did Phil Simms

I’ll never forget him jawing with Lott and pointing in his face. Best part was that I don’t recall anyone being between them. Alot of times guys are tough when separated. Simms was tough as nails, period.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I like the clip of Simms and Parcells going at it on a Monday Night in Indy.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

To bad for you

Beating the 49rs let the Giants know they had arrived, great rivalry

by Late for Dinner on Jan 17, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

they were our first great rivals, to me

it’s taken many decades and turnover in that organization for me to actually be able to root for them nowadays.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 18, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

youngin!

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 18, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

23 years young!

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I only got you by 10yrs

Which enabled me to know this rivalry pretty well… My uncle(RIP) was a huge 9ers fan…

"My God is salvation"

by gobs56 on Jan 19, 2012 5:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Back then the Giants had the better LB crew

Now it’s the Niners with superior LB play. Pepper with Reasons, Banks and LT gave the Niners as stiff a challenge as the Dome Patrol.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

That long TD by Nicks

Reminded me of the great John Taylor, a big WR who could bounce off all high arm tackles with ease, then accelerate past the defense that didn’t think he was that fast. Even the Hail Mary TD was a Taylor-like jump catch. That’s about the highest praise I can give Nicks.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

a man who was forever overshawdoed

what’s become of him? i would think the niners would have bought him back into the organization in some capacity.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 18, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he runs a trucking company back east

He was from Delaware, I think. I’ve seen him interviewed occasionally over the years but he was always a quiet, hardworking guy. Someone who could not be intimidated on the field and has been the third best WR for the 49ers in the past 40 years.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I always loved Pepper Johnson...Unfortunately

my greatest memory of him is when Keith Byars nearly killed him with a blindside block:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=87013918601

FYI: Pepper was Byars best man at his wedding.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 17, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Best man? Wow, that’s some respect after their battles in the Ryan Eagles – Parcells Giants era.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah

Byars ended up with the Pats in the Carrol era IIRC. And Pepper with the Jets during Parcells tenure I htink

Proud die-hard of the NFC West Champion San Francisco 49ers!
Whose got it better than us??? NOBODY!

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 20, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree that Jacobs is above average.

I think I can quickly rattle off 16 that are better including one on your own team.

Forte, Peterson, Rice, Bradshaw, Jones Drew, Foster, McCoy, Turner, Lynch, Jackson, Mathews, McFadden, Murray, Stewart, Gore, Blount..

Don’t see Jacobs as above average, I’d say he’s slightly below average at 3.8 yards per carry and 3 fumbles on 152 carries.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Completely agree.

Jacobs hasn’t had a good year and only had 1 good run yesterday against the Packers.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Jacobs is weird. He has games where he's above average...and games where he's below trash.

Get him north-south and he’s above average. If he goes laterally or starts dancing, I’d probably get more yards than him.

That being said, there’s a plethora of running backs I’d take over Jacobs.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah

but last year he had over 5 ypc.

Stats don’t adequately explain Jacobs. If he gets a hole, he’s a monster. If he doesn’t, he’s a teddy bear.

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

stats don't explain alot

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I would describe stats a piece to a puzzle.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I love Brandon....

he’s a football player, not a politician…..and he’s a big dumb animal sometimes.

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

After the Saints victory, I felt confident that the 49ers could beat anybody

then came the GB thrashing, and all of a sudden I’m very very nervous!!!

by brundylop on Jan 16, 2012 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

I'm more concerned about this game than I was for the Packers game.

Can’t say I’d rather play the Saints in their little house of horrors, but I know that this one, much like the last, will go down to the wire.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm also more concerned about playing the Giants

than I would be the Packers. Your front 4 has a great chance to just dismantle our offensive line without having to blitz. That could to kill us on Sunday.

by Odekerk on Jan 16, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

same reason I'm scared.

A team can have Joe Montana at QB and it wouldn’t matter if he’s lying on his back.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It's always more intimidating, for me,

to face the great defense as opposed to facing the great QB. The Packers defense was terrible all year.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

agree about being nervous about this one

I honestly believed that we would beat the Packers because the Gmen would be prepared and motivated. Well this time around, I think this is the scenario we all hoped for (including the Giants). Well the Giants have this thing where the seem to take for granted teams they believe they are better than.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 17, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny that you say that...

Many of us wanted the 49ers to beat the Saints as you are already aware but watching the way in which you guys did it woke us up to a harsh reality. Namely, this 49er team is playing on the same level that our Giants are playing on. Not a good feeling at all.

by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 17, 2012 8:18 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Any worry that the Giants can't stop the run game....

Osi might be premiere pass rusher (JPP right behind him), but pretty well known that OSi is not exactly in tune with stopping the run. Falcons and GB aren’t exactly big time run teams. Will give you Gmen LB core is refreshed with less injuries, but getting beat down by Skins twice this year. I would think Gmen are susceptible to run…especially by a man named Frank Gore!!!

by 9ersfan4vr on Jan 16, 2012 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

Giants have shutdown the run not only the last two weeks, but actually the last 6 weeks.

Dallas twice (though the first time, we injured Demarco Murray)
Redskins
Jets
Falcons
Packers

Falcons, Dallas, and Jets are some pretty good rushing teams…It was a matter of our LBs finally getting healthy and our rookies getting their feet wet.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really true , of the above mentioned , Falcons are the only one's with a decent rushing Team ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Just to point out

in the first match up, they shut us down pretty well. Frank Gore is healthier now, however.

by Odekerk on Jan 16, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say they shut us down.

SF hardly ran the ball that game. The game plan was to pass all day, and Frank was hurt. Kendall went 6 for 40 and was untouched on his TD run.

"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh

by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 21, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

you are correct

our ability to stop your run (or lack thereof) will be the number one factor on that side of the ball. To me, it is equivalent to your DBs preventing a big-play TD

If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Last game , the Niners chose not to run the ball , but came out passing ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

G-men came out FULLY stacked to stop the run 9 in the box almost all day

This is what triggered the pass happy day. Giants sold out VS the run.

Was a close game could have gone either way. I suspect this time around with Alex’s growth and the growth of your LB group that it will be less stacked openign it up for a more balenced O.

I don’t think the Giants are a team to give up on the run game easilly, but I expect Eli to have more success than the RB’s.

Should be a really good game. I fully expect it to be close and the Home field the deciding factor.

by Dave R. on Jan 18, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, Fewell has been moving Osi around.

JPP has neen playing RDE a lot lately and he is extremely good against the run. Yes, Osi is weak against the run but je has contributed to run defense and has done quite well since his return from injury. I don’t think that will be a problem come Sunday.

by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Osi is just another

very important piece to a beautiful puzzle that is the best Dline in football.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The 49er’s D-Line would like to argue that.

by Franchise55 on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

oooh

there’s a debate in there somewhere…

If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

O-line differences, Different types of D

Don’t know if we’ll have a real view of which is better due to different O lines.

Very differnt jobs between our Base 3 and your Base 4, making it even harder to tell.

There hasn’t been much debate that we have the best front 7 in the game. Very good D line and ridiculous inside LB’s. But different jobs and styles make comparing the lines alone indeterminent.

That said I expect both Alex and Eli to be smacked around quite a bit.

by Dave R. on Jan 18, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Giants run game

From worst in the league to being very good. How on Earth did that happen? Five hour energy drinks? Linemen finding out its the other team that you block. Brandon Jacobs actually trying? I have faith in our run D, but it won’t be easy by a long shot.
Also, how do you plan on getting Jacobs outside? He will struggle with the front seven but we know what he can do to a man playing flat footed.

by mcwagner on Jan 16, 2012 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

LOL you just gave me a vision of our OL and RBs chugging 5 hour energies haha

Our problem was absolutely zero chemistry along the OL front…as well as injuries to the OL and Ahmad Bradshaw FINALLY (he was playing with a broken foot before) healthy.

They started to get some push up front with Baas healthy and Boothe/Petrus at LG instead of Diehl. Diehl upgrades Will Beatty in run blocking, but not pass protection.

The only way for Jacobs to get successful is by a) letting him get a full head of steam and b) have him go north-south

The only way he can do that outside is via a toss play….and for that we need perfect blocking. You’ll see Ahmad for much of the game, and then Jacobs will come in later when the defense is more tired. That’s how they’ve started playing it.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

smart

use our strength against us. We rally around the ball all game and will chase till the play is done. When we tire out, bringing in a rested and energetic Jacobs will cause problems. Making the D sneak up and open up the pass game.

by mcwagner on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. an ingenious strategy to say the least.

It has worked wonders thus far. At the time that our run game was not working so well, Jacobs was in very early in the game and couldn’t penetrate yhe line LOS. However, once Bradshaw returned tje strategy in question became more prevalent and…well you see the results.

by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

despite the media hype the Giants run game is far from healthy

if the Gisnts break 100 in this game it is a major win for us. Our run game has been aided by week-to-week circumstances. We are still not running the ball well.

If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Word

The rushing totals from the Packers game are pretty disappointing, and of that paltry yardage, a big chunk of it came on a very weird play at the end of the first half, when the Packers were taken totally off guard and weren’t expecting the run at all. Then most of the rest of it came on the final drive, when the Packers were blatantly not even trying to tackle because they were just going for the strip.

I would be shocked if the giants were able to run on the niners. Then again, the Falcons had a top run defense, and the giants ran all over them. Still, I don’t think the falcons D is in the same class as the 9ers.

Go Giants!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

by rich316 on Jan 16, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

The packers

game plan was to stop the run and make Eli beat them. The first part worked as they had 7 or 8 in the box keying on the run most of the night. The second part did not.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 7:06 AM PST up reply actions  

GB defense wasn't good enough to want a QB to beat them

Bad strategy, as they likely thought the Giants would come in and try to win it though ball control and lots of runs. Why do that with the weapons Eli has at WR? Pack got outcoached.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

McCarthy did not have a good game, agreed.

The Packers did the same thing in our first meeting. When they rushed 3 or 4, Eli had all day to find the open man. When they rushed 4,5, or 6 Eli knew, usually presnap, who was singled up and beat the blitz.

But this happens most every week, it’s not exclusive to bad defenses like the Packers.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It's one reason I was looking forward to playing GB

McCarthy is a very good play caller and designer but not a good game manager. He’s awful with timeouts and challenges, very much in the Reid mold. Coughlin and his staff do not beat themselves and their team is always prepared. The players have been inconsitent, seemingly caught up in their positive (then play poorly) or negative (then play well) headlines but the team is well coached and has the details down. To out-coach Coughlin is to earn it instead of backing into it.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

The inconsistency was put behind us

during the Jet game.

The DC simplified the coverages, to put it simply, and the Oline and RB’s got healthy. Since then the teams performance has been very consistent.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

A nice luxury to have.

Just gonna make the Giants offense have to work that much harder.

I like my team on defense alot. We may see the Giants out-defense your vaunted unit. They are playing that well.

Last 4 games, Giants have outscored their opponents 121-50. The defense is averaging giving up 12 points a game in those 4 games that were essentially playoff games for all teams involved. And the only bad offense in that stretch was the Jets. Packers, Dallas, and Atlanta are all very good offenses with alot of weapons.

The Giants defense may be the best unit on the field Sunday.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

But wouldn't you agree..

That playing Sanchez, an injured Romo, and an over-rated Ryan (outdoors) had something to do with that? And those three were all in NY.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

The domination of all four offenses, and the health of our defense, tells me otherwise

But I do see your point of trying to qualify the opponents, but if you knew me from these sites you would know that I don’t play that game.

level of competition is a factor, but so is the final score.

And in our last game, we blew out one of the best offenses of all time. Not to shabby, wouldn’t you agree? :-)

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think opponent does matter

Dominating the prior three QBs, especially Sanchez and an injured Romo, does not speak volumes. It certainly does not speak any louder than a healthy Romo shredding the pass defense (in his stadium) two weeks prior or Grossman having no issues one week earlier. They count the same. One could argue that the former two show what can happen, especially when the team travels, just as much as one could say that the wins over Sanchez and an injured Romo show dominance. It’s likely a bit of both.

What took place Sunday can not be denied. But there were a number of receivers running open so I would not think them to likely be the best unit on the field Sunday. That reaks a bit much as homersim, as if a Niners fan used Smith’s performance to say that the SF offense might be the better unit on the field.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, we disagree.

And for the record, while I don’t think it will be the case, the Niner offense may be the best unit on the field Sunday.

The Giants defense is playing well enough for me to have the confidence to share with you guys that the potential is there for those guys to be the best unit Sunday and dominate the game, IMO

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't really see our offense being a better unit than our defense...

But we are both balanced teams. This game could go 5 different ways and it wouldn’t surprise me.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I so excited for this matchup

And so glad that we don’t have to watch NO @ GB in a game that spits in the face of real football. Arena football gone mainstream is not my keg of beer.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Would've been more arena-like

If somehow they could’ve played in NOLA.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

This

I’m not going to deny that you have momentum, but contrary to popular belief the only really good team that you played were the Packers (who you did absolutely demolish). The Jets, Cowboys, and Falcons are all overrated and to be honest, so are the Packers. The Saints came into our game having won 9 in a row and scoring 40 7 times in that run or something like that. Your win over the Packers was extremely impressive, but the statement that you’re unstoppably white-hot is not entirely true.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

You are projecting,

and putting words into my keyboard. haha

My intent was not to make it sound like we are white-hot and can’t be stopped. I was merely pointing out how well we have done, and that it is impressive.

You can downplay the teams we beat, I won’t play along, I’ll just say the wins were decisive and have given me as a fan, and the team, confidence.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, sorry about that

I hate doing that to others and I hate when it’s done against me. That was more meant for some of my Giant fan friends, one of whom said this:

I don’t know how you’re going to stop us. You’ll be just like the last 6 teams we have played. We’re white hot and can’t be stopped.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh ok, no problem.

I am not that guy that will talk in absolutes like, “you suck,” or “you don’t know what’s coming we can’t be beat.”

I hate that shit cause we don’t really know. But what both of our fanbases do know is that we both have two outstanding football teams that we are rooting for and either team is good enough to beat any of the 3 other teams that are left in this tournament.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely.

Watch the swearing, though. I personally don’t mind it, but dem’s da rules.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I will, thanks

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah...that's idiotic.

Both sides think their squad will win. Both sides are hot. Both sides are different since week 10. Both sides know it will be close.

Anything contrary to this, I vehemently will disagree with.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, LK, you three. :-)

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Me four

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to wait till I'm number 7 so I can say me seven

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 17, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Might be a long wait ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 6:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll be making fake accounts...

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Bruce Miller is looking for you.

He looked mad.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 18, 2012 6:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Well I'm older than him

and I was a 49er fan before he was, he’s lucky that I’m letting him use the number I would have used if I played in the NFL

by reedkrase on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

charge him.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 19, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

also remember

we beat the pats in new england with an injury riddled team. We played you guys the next week, just as we were starting to get healthier.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Jan 18, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's not forget...

The Packer’s offense helped them out plenty with 8 drops that should have easily been caught – and that had nothing to do with the Giants’ defense, but rather everything with a complete flop of an offensive performance by the Packers.

Before the Giants’ fans jump down my throat, I’m NOT saying they didn’t play well – because they did. They’re a solid unit that present a lot of challenges. But let’s call a spade a spade…those drops would have (or at the very least could have) been drive sustaining plays that could potetnially massively swing the way that game goes.

Who's Got it Better than Us?

by LooseCannon79 on Jan 18, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Well I won't jump down your throat, but I would like to debate that

I counted 6 drops. 2 were insignificant, IMO, neither would have been for 1st downs. one was going to be for about a 3 yd gain to Finley on the left side, in which he was almost certainly going to run himself out of bounds. the other was also for about a 3 yd gain to the right to starks with A Rolle bearing down on him for the stop. Another play they called a drop was to R Grant. Our D Grant made a great play and a huge hit. I’d call that a PD not a drop. Another was to G Jennings in the endzone. Would have been a great catch, and one he’s made plenty of times this year. But the guy was blanketed by Rolle, and again, I’d call it very good defense. But I;m willing to see both sides on that one. And then there was the miscommunication with Finley. I’d call that an errant pass, not a drop. That only left 2 crucial drops: Crabtree, Nelson.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

you are forgetting the points, the refs put on the board to make

the games appear closer..

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Jan 18, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t the Packers give up the most passing yards this season?? and top 5 in league history or something??

Doesn’t sound like a great gameplan.

by Mapletreemarty on Jan 19, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Their whole D was bad

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Coaching staff

Who are some good coaches on the team? Underrated guys no one has heard of.
We have Tom Rathman as our RB coach and does an excellent job. Jim Leavitt has been fantastic with his LBs. Solari and Donatell are no secrets and have gotten the OL and DBs playing closer to their potential. Then we have the master in Jimmy Tomsula working with the D-line

by mcwagner on Jan 16, 2012 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

49ers o-line

has been atrocious the second half of the season. If we lose to the Giants, the #1 problem will be o-line play.

by Odekerk on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they have been far from atrocious

Not wonderful, but have been solid (can’t get this far with a bad one). But absolutely room for improvement. The problem has been consistency. Like to point out that Chilo Rachal should not count. When he is in, it is atrocious. So sad because I was pulling for him this year.

by mcwagner on Jan 16, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Anthony Davis is bad too

he’s like Kwame Brown without the run-blocking ability. Neither Staley or Goodwin deserved a Pro Bowl and it’s a joke they got in.

The left side is far better than the right (which isn’t saying much), and Goodwin is usually serviceable, but all 3 guys that see significant time on the right side need to be off the team next year, though I’m sure Davis will be starting again (unfortunately).

Also, Alex Smith is the most sacked QB in the league, and in a year where his pocket presence and awareness improved by leaps and bounds. He avoided plenty of sacks with his mobility, though he did hold on to the ball too long at times (part of that has to do with our WRs not getting separation often). Our run game fell apart the second half of the year (though some of that had to do with Gore being banged up and ineffective). The point is, our o-line as a whole is terrible and bottom 5 in the league.

by Odekerk on Jan 16, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That for some ridiculous reason is a good thing for you guys. We suck against terrible OLs and massacre "good" OLs.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

If our o-line can only give up pressure

every other pass play on Sunday, I will be as giddy as a little school girl.

by Odekerk on Jan 16, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Kwame Brown?

Wrong sport.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 16, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You're thinking of Kwame Harris.

But Kwame Brown sucks too.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 16, 2012 9:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

100% disagree.

Anthony Davis has improved from last year and is far from being Kwame Harris. I can’t understand why you’d want him, and Snyder, off the team next year.

I gave Staley a lot of crap last year and early this year, but he’s playing so much better now after getting adjusted to his new weight.

Goodwin’s been okay, he didn’t make the Pro Bowl by the way. He was bad in the beginning of the year, then looked pretty good in the middle and now looks okay.

The line isn’t great but it’s far from the bottom 5.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 16, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Oh, I thought during the Saints game

they had a Pro Bowl above his name. Thought someone dropped out and he alt’d in or something, my mistake. (can anyone confirm whether they made a mistake or was I seeing things?)

You must see a completely different Anthony Davis I and many other people see. Anthony Davis is a turnstile and can’t run block. He’s useless and freezes when teams blitz on his side. Kwame Harris was a pathetic pass blocker, but at least he could bulldoze people. Davis can’t even do that much.

by Odekerk on Jan 16, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Goodwin was voted the McKittrick winner

So the guys that work with him and watch the film have a high opinion of his play.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

That's nice and all, but that award isn't given to the best performing o-lineman.

It’s for a hard-working guy that puts in his time and is committed to his job.

There are 100s of guys like that in the league that aren’t any good. Goodwin is okay though.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw the replay on NFLN and yes, Fox did put Pro Bowl above his name.

But he did not make it, although he did as an alternate.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Oline is so bad, then why does everyone talk about how good your running game is?

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

they are the opposite of us

We are great in pass protection, god awful in run blocking.

They are great in run blocking…I mean, seeing Iupati heading downfield is a sight to behold. But their pass protection is all world…..

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 7:10 AM PST up reply actions  

*is NOT all world

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It's actually not th at bad when they're at home

Their biggest issues are on the road against the blitz, with a big outlier from the Ravens game with 9. Since removing Rachal from the lineup early in the season they’ve been pretty decent, especially at home.

Biggest issue with the passing game has just been the decimation of the receiving corps. Edwards is gone, Morgan is out and they’ve had injuries to Walker, Ginn, and Williams. If they don’t get Walker back this will be another game ( I think the 49ers have had like 10 ), where after the game you’re going.. how the heck did they even get 250 yards and 25 points. Smoke and mirrors.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

interesting, thanks for the info.

I think the Giants will look to that Ravens game as a way to look to get pressure. The Saints tried pressuring Smith a TON and obviously it didn’t work, so there must be some specific way to bring pressure.

That sucks, with regards to your receiving corps….we can relate with our CB situation, sigh. I really hope you guys don’t have Delanie Walker….I remember in week 10 that dude singlehandedly destroyed us.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

There will probably be 4 or 5 plays in the game

where an assignment is completely blown

but on average, they seem to be able to get protection enough. The offense is super conservative though.

The biggest question I have for the game is whether they’re going to send Davis out more than they did in the Saints game. Even if the Giants double him to shut him down it’s worth it more than keeping him in for pass protection, use Peele for that crap.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh is forced to leave VD in protection

due to how bad the o-line is. Gore is held back a good amount too.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

They have another TE for that.

I think they make a mistake every time they keep him in.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Can't say I disagree.

But Harbaugh thinks it’s more important to keep him in protection a lot of times.

It can be infuriating.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Big mistake.

What is better? Having Vernon out in a route where he often takes up 2 defenders or blocking where he could be accounting for 0 defenders or at best 1?

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 21, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

"there will probably be 4 or 5 plays in the game where an assignment is completely blown"

haha sounds like our secondary.

Giants won’t double any TE, regardless of who it is. They didn’t double Gronk, Graham and last week, didn’t double Finley. What they DID do is have JPP or another DE almost try and tackle the TE at the beginning of the route.

Finley was complaining about JPP hitting him almost every play to knock him off his route. If the Giants can’t do that to Davis, its likely he’ll have a favorable matchup in the 2nd level that can be exploited.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Different match ups, those other teams have a lot of weapons

49ers don’t.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

While that's true, I'm sure they count Gore as a weapon those teams didn't have.

We played a LOT of our big nickel packages in those games. 2 LBs and 3 safeties. This game, there’s no doubt we have 3 LBs and 2 safeties.

And most of the LBs will be in run defense mode, so its up to either Rolle or Phillips to try and cover Davis.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Good observation B.

Boley, IMO, has been the defensive MVP of the playoffs so far bar none. I will look forward to seeing how well he does on VD.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

You really don't think they'll double VD?

With Ginn possibly out (or limited as they’ll save him for kick returns) and Walker either out or playing fewer plays than normal due to stamina, I’d imagine that VD and/or Crabtree are doubled most of the time and they take their chances with the other guys.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

they haven't done it before, which is kinda weird.

Even with the Pats….conventional thinking states that you double Welker and Gronk. Nope. We usually play in a cover 2, so a bit of it is moot cause we’re talking zone…but when we mix in man coverage, we don’t usually double because we’re either blitzing or dropping back our extra peeps in random coverages lol

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting

Appreciate the insight. I’d be surprised if VD isn’t double covered on a number of obvious passing downs. It would be more difficult if Walker can play.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

no doubt. We struggled heavily against Gronk and Hernandez

(who doesn’t?)….so if Walker is good to go, it’ll present problems for us.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like we should split Vernon out wide.

Make JPP choose between jamming him and rushing the passer, instead of having time for both.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 18, 2012 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Ravens game was a non-duplicatable outlier

Niners had three days to prepare and travel for a defense that has one of the more complicated blitz schemes. Suggs obviously had an All-Pro night, helped by the crowd noise, but most of the sacks were blitzes that our team couldn’t fully prepare for. Arizona then got a few successful blitzes when we played them in their stadium but the Niners have cleaned it up since then, allowing zero sacks to the Steelers’ complicated blitz scheme and one sack in the game at Seattle.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

We struggle against 3-4 defenses and zone blitzes.

All 3 of our losses were against those types of defenses.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

yea they're pretty much average at both

and Gore is an average back.

But the 49ers use more variety and stick with the run more than other teams just to run the clock. I am 100% sick off the 1st and 10 2 yard runs. Hate it when media complain the 49ers passed it too much on 1st when every 1st down run went for -1 to 2 yards.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

An o-line that gives up 44 sacks and 4 to the Saints is certainly not

average. They’re bad.

I agree with your other comment though.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

9 came in Ravens game, 6 in Cowboys game in week 2.

They’ve been better than average at home after week 3. Worse than average on the road.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I really do think you're a little overboard about how "bad" the lion is.

I agree that we’re not that god in run blocking, but I think overall we’re above average in pass blocking.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

a couple of Freudian slips in there?

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

for the record though

pro football reference has SF at a 79 in sack%. Average is 100 and the higher the number the better. NYG are a 113 in case you’re wondering.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Gore is an average back!?!?!

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

yea, surprising right?

he’s built up a lot because the 49ers are a running team. But he’s past his prime. 4.3 yards per carry. Good leader, but he’s really no better than Hunter ( if he’s better at all ). Doesn’t have the break away speed anymore, struggles to gain more than 1 or 2 yards on standard running downs most of the time.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

For some reason Gore forgot how to catch this season too.

I still think he’s a good back, however. He was bad in the second half of the year, but he was banged up. Hard to say how much of it was him, how much was his injury, and how much was the o-line.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

but being banged up is part of being an aging back.

heck at 30 you’re pretty much done if you’re a between the tackles guy.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously I don't know nearly as much about the 9ers as you guys

so I’ll take your word for it. Gore has always been synonymous with the smashmouth nature of the 9er offense, so that comes as bit of a shock. I’m a huge draft geek, and I loved Kendall Hunter and Demarco Murray last year…turns out I was right on both, and that scares me a lot.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

wouldn't be shocked to see the 49ers bring in another mid to late rounder on a RB

don’t think they’re happy with Dixon and I think they want to be ready for when Gore falls off the age cliff.

Gore is certainly not bad, I think he’s average and with the way the 49ers play offense they probably need their RBs to be better than average ( as Gore had been for quite a few years )

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Too bad Monte Ball is staying at Wisconsin.

I really liked him.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree somewhat

Hunter rarely faces 8-man boxes, while Gore always does. Hunter is much faster and elusive, and is better suited to attacking the edge. I don’t know if you can compare the two of them head-to-head, given how different their game is.

You’re right, though, that Gore is no long an elite back who can do everything, and he’s past the point in his career where he can take over a game like Ray Rice, Matt Forte, or 2010 Chris Johnson. But he is still a very, very good running back between the tackles, and can do extraordinary things when the offensive line is clicking. I don’t think their are ten RBs better than Gore when it comes to running inside, and when he was at his best early in the season, Gore was a top-5 talent.

by ninerspride on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The 5 Game 100 yard Streak

15-127 1td
20-125 1td
14-141 1 td
31-134 1td
19-107
-———————-
100 634 6.34y/c 4 tds
Those are not the numbers of an average back.
He was banged up a bit which had to have hampered him more then anyone knew.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 17, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Those are sick totals.

14-141 SMFH

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Chris Johnson?

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

chris johnson from 2 years ago

chris johnson of 2011 couldn’t take over a pac-12 game.

by ninerspride on Jan 18, 2012 1:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Gore is almost always banged up in some way

The reason he is more important, and on the field more than Hunter is that Gore is still elite at blitz pick up. I should have included that.

Gore is slightly above average running back at running the ball.
He is below average at catching and running after the catch. Pretty much pointless to throw screens to him.
He is elite at pass blocking.

He is slightly above average as a complete package because of blitz pick up, but I maintain average as an offensive weapon with the ball.

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s not bad IF he actually catches it…think you have those flipped

by mrg80 on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

nah, not only is his drop rate high

but most of his catches do not result in much of a positive gain. A lot of short catches, rarely gets a 3rd down conversion on 3rd.

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If it’s 3 and 9, yeah, he’s only going to get 6 against a zone

by mrg80 on Jan 19, 2012 4:08 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the Walsh Offense

If a WR isn’t open for a 1st and the rush is coming, you throw underneath to give your guy a chance to break a tackle, get facemasked, or just add to the punt for field position.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

We haven't had a 100 yard rusher week 8.

Our run game took a nose dive in the second half of the year. Our running game is said to be good because of the sheer amount of rushing attempts we accumulated over the season (498, 3rd in the league). Our yards per attempt is 4.1, which is in the bottom half of the league and that is greatly helped by the monster stretch Gore had during weeks 4-8.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Part of that is game planning

Opponents were stacking for the run and Harbaugh had Smith pass more to try and help create a rhythm with the passing game. It struggled for a while but we’ve seen the improvements that past few games, most obviously Saturday.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

National media knows very little about the team

Our run game is good not great, but it is quite varied in plays and personel. It forces opponents to prepare for more than any other team does with their running game. Gore may still rip off a big run but it’s more that the Niners beat opponents up with the run and force them to be physical all day. Not many teams (i.e. the Eagles game) want to defend that all day.

Our passing game is good not great, but that has more to do with timing early in the season (new offense, no offseason) and WR injuries late. Statistically, two top 10 passing defenses play in the NFCW so that didn’t help. When our OL blocks well (much better at home than road) the passing game is fine. I’ve read the stat the Niners have given up 28 sacks in 14 wins but 20 sacks in 3 losses. The bulk of those 20 were the Dallas game (week 2) and the ultra-short week game in Baltimore. We didn’t run the ball much in either despite all the pressure though people still think of this team as three yards and a cloud of dust.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

we run a lot

so if you look at yards/game it looks good. Also, even when it’s above average it’s due to huge 20+ yards getting ripped off which is mostly RB breaking tackles or making the secondary miss rather than OL play. The 49ers are 29th in “Power Success” (short runs for 1st down/TD) and 22nd at getting running plays stuffed for a loss.

Still, the OL isn’t terrible at either pass or run blocking… but it ain’t good either. It’s about as good as the Packers’.

I see the Giants Offense v. Niners Defense as playing out pretty similarly to the first game. Giants are not likely to run the ball well, but Manning will get some big plays and and probably throw a pick or two. Probably 17-21 points.
This is based on (in my mind) the Giants being pretty consistently good at passing the ball, even during their mid-season losing streak.

But I have no idea how the Niners “Pass well, but only when we need to” Offense will play the Giants “Healthy/Improved” Defense. The Niners could put up 30 or they could put up 3. The last time they played, the Giants’ defense was banged up but so was work horse Frank Gore. The Giants sold out to stop the run (and did, pretty much) and Smith beat them… barely. I think this matchup is going to come down to the coaching shell game… he knows that I know that you know that I know…

Oh, and of course turnovers. I am expecting a classic! (but will settle for a 49ers blowout)

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by zenbitz on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Because that's a backhanded complement

Against Alex Smith.

We are not that good a running team. In fact, when we need 2 yards or less only 3 other teams in the NFL are worse at converting that 2 yards or less on the ground.

Goodwin and Snyder are necessities in pass protection because Rachal can’t pick up a blitz to save his life and Anthony Davis needs Snyder on the inside of him so he can sell out to the corner.

But neither Goodwin or Snyder are guys that are ever going to blow people off the LOS, and our run game suffers for it.

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by Ougadas on Jan 21, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the insight.

I love dissecting Oline play

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by tommy d. on Jan 21, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure what your talking about , but thanks for playing ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 17, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The biggest secret on our coaching staff is Pat Flaherty, our OL coach.

He’s been getting scraps for YEARS (Chris Snee was a 2nd round pick and that was it) and has consistently put forth a solid OL for the past 6 or 7 years. This year, we lost Shaun O’Hara and Rich Seubert…two starters…plus lost Will Beatty for the season as well as our primary backup at C in Adam Koets, and he somehow made the patchwork OL work. 90% of our success on the OL goes to him.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I Second Flaherty

the Guy’s one of the best

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

pat flaherty -- OL

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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

O-coordinator Kevin Gilbride

Giants fans love to hate the guy, and he’s not famous like a lot of the “name” offensive coordinators around the league, but I think he generally does an amazing job. He has definitely played a huge part in making Eli the player he is today, and the offense has been very good for a while now.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 16, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

not famous?

how many other coaches can you name that were punched by Buddy Ryan?

by mcwagner on Jan 17, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

heh. He did get his revenge by kicking his two sons...Rex and Rob...out of the playoffs in consecutive weeks.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't get

any sweeter than that. Well done.

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by riderless on Jan 18, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Mike Sullivan

He gets almost no recognition. He was our WR coach for many years, working with guys like Amani Toomer, Plax, Steve Smith, Dominic Hixon. Needless to say I think he helped the careers of these men and Eli’s.

He is now in his second year as QB’s coach and I have to think he has something to do with Eli’s continued progression to greatness. Despite the 25 picks last year Eli had his best statistical year before breaking all of his own records this year.

And this year we have seen the progression of Eli’s footwork and pocket mobility hit the elite level. He very well may be the best in all of football at avoiding a rush, finding a spot and a lane to throw in, and keep his eyes downfield and deliver the ball accurately.

Mike Sullivan has been here through all of this.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Successful transition from WR coach to QB coach?

That guy’s gonna get poached soon.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 18, 2012 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

thought the same thing

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

How do you think the Giants plan to approach this game?

Are you counting on Eli to win the game for you? Do you expect a last minute drive to save the game? Do you expect your defense to have it easy against Alex Smith since you already handled Aaron Rodgers?

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by Pat Willie on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 PM PST reply actions  

1)Giants haven't won a single game this year that eli didn't win for them

So, yes.

2) I think the game will be close in the fourth quarter, but that it won’t come down to a last-minute drive. For some reason I think the game will not be that close in the end, whoever wins.

3) Frankly, yes. This probably comes off as cocky, but they completely dismantled the Falcons and should have held the Packers to 13, if not for a TD gifted by the officials. If you factor in the drops that game gets closer, but if you factor in the officiating it goes back to a blowout. We have two linebackers who match up very well with athletic tight ends like Vernon, Michael Boley and Jacquian Williams, and two good safeties in Antrel Rolle and Kenny Philips. I’d bet that every giants fan is very confident about the defense going into this game. That being said, the Niners offense really showed something last game. Sometimes guys just elevate their game, and even good defenses can’t stop them. The Saints aren’t a good defense, though, and the Giants will not be sending the reckless blitzes that the Saints were pulling seemingly every down. I could be wrong, though, and the niners could explode again.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 16, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Another thing about defense:

Sloppy conditions hurt the pass rush A LOT. The D-line just can’t get the same jump off of the ball when their cleats are slipping in mud. This is IMO the biggest difference between sloppy and dry conditions, aside from the ball being slippery for everybody. The pass rush is a big part of both the Giants and 9ers defense. I’m not sure who this benefits. The 9ers O-line plays much better at home, so a diminished pass rush for both teams could benefit the giants. If Eli has time to throw, Giants fans like that regardless of conditions. Then again, if the pass rush is a wash, the 9ers defense is that much better because of your better linebackers and (probably) better secondary.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 16, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

refs gifted 2 TDs

both drives saved by phantom calls.

Giants 37, Packers 6

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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 3:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Packers also gifted some drops and a hail mary TD

not that I’m complaining, would rather the 49ers be at home even if the Giants are better than the Packers.

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

different concept

what the players do (catcha hail mary) or fail to do (catch a pass) is part of the game. Phantom, phont calls everyone knows are wrong (non-fumble, roughing the passer) and that lead to touchdowns are not!

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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

But if we want to play the "If it weren't for the Zebras" game

You can take back the first Saints score due to a phantom PI on Whitner.

And further you can take back half of the Saints 63 pass attempts because they didn’t have a single down where they could block Justin Smith and resorted to holding him every play. And we’re not talking ticky tack “grabbing outside the numbers” holds, we are talking about “armbar from behind” and “rear naked choke” holds — which is why he abandoned all his moves but the bull rush and just started running the tackles straight into Brees.

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by Ougadas on Jan 21, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

i agree. refs were all about a GB / NO CC game

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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

With the amount of money involved you just can’t tell me that the NFL doesn’t try to nudge things toward the matchup that will put more dollars on the bottom line.

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by Ougadas on Jan 21, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

That was PI.

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by Virginia9er on Jan 21, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Second time around i fully expect things to change against Alex Smith. We se one of the best tight ends in the game twice a year in Whitten. HHe did not play well this year against us. When we come with that 3 safety look it is very hard for teams to figure out our coverages. Alex Smith kileld us on dink and dunk passes last time.

I be honest with you Eli is only one person on a team that playing well. I won’t say what i think will happen because that is just a jinxs.

by Giantstep on Jan 16, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

bad memories of 1990 and Leonard Marshall

That game broke a lot of hearts in San Francisco and ended Joe Montana’s career as a 49er. It’s been 22 years, but I still want payback. the only guy for the 49ers who was on that team is Tom Rathman. I bet he wishes he could suit up and knock a linebacker in the mouth!

by dglove49 on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

Payback for the Trey Junkin game.

We should have had the ball on the five yard line with another FG opportunity. Black eye for the NFL on that one.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

He was eligible

Which is what made it the most egregious.

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

But there were so many illegal men down field

I can see how the refs missed it, at the end of a game, with players wearing non eligible numbers.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Er that's not really the case

unless you have footage I don’t, there’s Seubert down there and the other linemen don’t start going downfield until the ball’s in the air.

And the NFL sent an official apology after the game, so it’s hard to make a defense.

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I recall the apology

They said that the flag that was thrown, for illegal man downfield, was correct. The error was in not calling the PI where the official thought it was on an ineligible receiver. Again, the down could’ve been replayed so that we could see the kicker miss as he did earlier that quarter.

What no Giants fan remembers, that I’m aware of, was the first play after the kickoff when Collins was nearly intercepted by Plummer. The INT was dropped because the WR nearly ripped his helmet off by his facemask. 15-yd penalty means the Giants never see FG range.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Incorrect

Giants had illegal man (men actually) down field which was flagged. Niners committed PI which was not. Had the latter also been called, it would’ve resulted in a replay of the down. Same snapper who screwed up two that game would’ve had one more shot with a kicker who shanked a FG earlier in the quarter. With the wins of Candlestick blowing, the missed call by the ref likely saved Junkin and/or the kicker from looking bad again.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

actually, you cannot have PI on a fake kick

There is no such thing as PI on a fake FG or Punt. The rule was created otherwise you can have the punter throw it to the gunner on each and every punt and get a PI call, since the gunner is always blocked by one or two guys all the way down the field to the location of the return man.

by pt33 on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that rule was in place then.

The league admitted afterward that offsetting penalties should’ve been called and the down replayed. At worst, the game ends since you can’t have an untimed dowm after a pentalty on the offense.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

But you can with off setting penalties...

The NFL screwed up and they issued the Giants an apology.

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 17, 2012 5:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

yup, should have been replayed

that way the Giants could have messed up another field goal and the Giants anger could be properly placed on their signed out of retirement snapper, their bad kicker, and their bad coaching staff, rather than on the terrible officials.

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Not sure I agree with this:
Sunday will feature a rematch of two teams very different from that Week 10.

I’ve heard that said reflexively on a few networks but I don’t see how either team is all that different. NY came in here playing quite well, off a huge road win, with a 6-2 record and most analysts picking them to win. They will now have Bradshaw but the team and circumstances are almost mirror. As for the Niners, they may (unfortunately) be without Ginn and Walker but otherwise are the same group. The big change is that they have a playoff win under their belt; that matters but is unlikely to help them gain victory Sunday.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

We will have our middle linebacker until he went out Alex Smith did nothing. And fact osi and the rest of our d line is health and of course Bradshaw. Our secondary is playing lights out. Otehr than that nothing is different.

Sorry not seen may niner games this year. I know you guys lost your number one wide out and returner last game. Anyone else getting healthy or injuried we may not know about?

by Giantstep on Jan 17, 2012 12:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Ted Ginn is not our #1 wideout...

More like our #3, and we rarely use 3 wide receivers anyway. He and Delanie Walker, our #2 TE, are both questionable as of now, though both have said they’re doing OK and may be able to play. Additionally, one big difference for us is that we have Frank Gore, who left the game against you with an ankle injury but is finally getting healthy. SpurredOn has a point – while you guys are very hot and fully healthy now, you were back in the game vs us as well. I agree that you guys are better, but we are as well, even without major personnel changes, for one reason – time. We have a new head coach, and with no offseason, we needed time to start fully adapting to our game plan. I think this game could be very similar to the last time we played, except our offense will have more Gore and your offense will have more Jacobs/Bradshaw.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Walker coming back is ridiculous

I can’t believe that guy broke his jaw what, 3 weeks ago? And he’s probably going to play? That’s just an absolute warrior. The other guy nobody is talking about – what about Ray McDonald? He’s the starting DE opposite smith, and wasn’t he hurting v. the Saints? Anyhoo, I think you will probably break a few runs against us. The Packers did, and they didn’t even try that much. Then again, we probably start with 8 in the box instead of 7 like we had v. the Pack. I can’t wait for the game, it’s Monday night and I can’t stop thinking about it!

I feel like this is especially agonizing for Giants fans because 2007 happened. It’s like I know they can do it, so I am believing in the back of my mind that they will, yet am trying to bring down expectations and enjoy the wins they’ve had because there are still 2 more games to be played against very good teams. Both fan bases are super confident because both of our teams just beat the consensus 1-2 teams in the league. Will be an incredible championships round and SB no matter who gets there, although part of me just wants to wake up in 3 weeks and find out what happened.

One thing – if you do beat the Giants, under no circumstances are you allowed to lose to the Patriots. It would just kill me to see them win a SB with that god-awful defense that people now think is decent because it shut down tebow. Probably one of the worst secondaries of all time. In the Giants game, they committed blatant PI in the end zone on a ball Eli admitted was a throw-away. Just awful stuff, and it kills me that they haven’t played anybody in 2 months that has been able to make them pay for it.

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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 2:30 AM PST up reply actions  

If the 49ers lose the Super Bowl, it'll be to Baltimore.

I’m sure you know what a beastly pass rush can do to Tom Brady.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 17, 2012 3:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex was doing quite well before your LB went out. He drove the team to three 1st half scores drives in four drives, with that fourth drive ending when Ginn (who was open by 5 yards) allowed a perfect pass to pop out of his hands for an INT inside the NY 20-yd line. He then opened the 2nd half with another scoring drive, all without Gore. Also, didn’t Osi and Tuck play in this game?

I disagree that your secondary is playing lights out. They’ve benefited from playing Sanchez, and injured Romo, and Ryan outdoors. What has improved is the pass rush which covers up the secondary (as in the play where Ross was burned for a TD but Osi forced the fumble on Rodgers). That’s not lights out secondary play, that’s great pass rush.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

secondary was amazing vs. Green Bay

the reason Rodgers had 5 first down runs for significant yards is because with all the time in the world, they still couldn’t get a man open.

And any time you pitch a shutout vs. Roddy White and Julio Jones, you have to at least tip your cap to the DBs.

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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Your secondary was also helped by numerous Green Bay drops.

And Aaron Rodgers being uncharacteristically inaccurate and missing open receivers.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

That accounted for about 10 plays.

Rodgers went back to throw 46 times. Should have been less had the refs done their job.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

hopefully none of that garbage will be on display this week. Fair officiating would be nice.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed.

Unfortunately I’m sure there will be head scratching stuff going on with the officials.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

the officials have been great all season....

haha

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

This has been one of the worst seasons I can remember.

However, I think they’ve been pretty good in the playoffs so far. Aside from your Packer game obviously. The Saints game was easily the best officiated game we’ve had all year, 3 penalties against us, none against the Saints (1 declined)…certainly some mistakes, but I’ll take that.

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by Virginia9er on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

that's true. Word on teh street is we get Ed Hochuli.

So get ready for the gun show.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I read too. I wouldn’t have picked him, but you can do much worse.

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by Virginia9er on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

It'll be too cold for the smedium baby-T

His guns will likely be holstered Sunday.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

get ready for the gun show!

LMASSOFF.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

the poor refereeing has been a gift

with it so bad it has forced the NFL to consider full time referrees. Now you can get young men (possible athletes themselves) to move around the action and catch things quicker, studies of the rules. Committees to discuss previous actions and build consistency. Moving refs to other crews. It is all good

by mcwagner on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard that they were considering adding 10 full-time refs

I was wondering, why not 16 so you could have one leading each crew?

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

because some of the current refs aren't that bad...

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by manraj7 on Jan 17, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

hey that's football.

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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Amazing? I disagree

Rodgers ran for significant yards because your pass rush ran him out of the pocket. A less mobile QB would’ve taken a few mroe sacks and a bunch more hits. Those runs usually came when he was pressured within three seconds. That’s a tribute to your front four not the secondary.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

receivers were covered, he had nothing

it was great play from the line to the coverage. They were the antidote for GB’s pass attack. It was amazing on several plays but I would agree that the tip of the cap is to the pass rush more.

by mcwagner on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It was 13-13 before Boley was out

Than he goes out and you guys hit two big plays, the Davis TD and the big run.
Perhaps the 49ers still score, but it wouldn’t have been two bang bang plays. On the Davis TD in particular, the backup linebacker is the one who blew the coverage and allowed Davis to get so open than scamper for the TD.
Osi and Tuck played, but Tuck was playing injured. I think he still is, but he’s closer to 100% than he was then.

As for the secondary playing “lights out”, that’s a matter of semantics. They’ve definitely been playing much better lately. I’ll give you that blown assignment, but one play isn’t always indicative. As Simms said, Rodgers was the leading rusher was because he couldn’t find anyone to throw it deep to when we were playing man to man. We were aided by the drops, no doubt, but I’ve seen Giant receivers have way to many drops to have any sympathy.

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Your statement was that Alex did nothing before the LB was injured

That’s not true as sited above. It is true that he threw is TD after the LB injury but, as you saw Saturday, even if the LB had not dropped his coverage, VD beats any LB or Safety that covers him one on one. He’s too fast.

The TD run wasn’t about the LB injury, that was coaching. One of our assitants saw the overpursuit from your ’Backers all game and called for that specific counter play. That was a coaching TD.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I said nothing about Smtih

I said the score was 13-13 before he left, even with an onsides kick.

Boley goes out, and you guys double your scoring total in two quick drives.

One of our assitants saw the overpursuit from your ’Backers all game and called for that specific counter play.

With Boley in perhaps that doesn’t happen

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

if anything, Boley is a heckovalot faster than Greg Jones

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You typed
We will have our middle linebacker until he went out Alex Smith did nothing.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh that wasn't me

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

My mistake

And I still think both TDs get scored with Boley in. Those were schemed TDs, something the Niners have done quite well all season.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The huge difference for the Giants

was the schematic change in coverage. All year we were playing a soft “read and react” zone with a ridiculous amount of complicated coverage duties and audibles.

The result was 12-18 yard soft spots that superstars like Rex Grossman was able to take advantage of and march his team down the field, or, routinely blown coverages that resulted in opponents doing end zone dances while our DB’s looked at each other like “I thought you had him.” It was every week.

About a month ago the players forced change in this coverage and now we are playing more traditional cover 2 with alot of man press and the results have been miraculous.

We are a much better defense for this reason, and because of the health of the Dline. These two components working together have sparked this run through the playoffs.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

now that's funny
superstars like Rex Grossman

Thank god my phone mute is on for this conf call…

Interesting comments about the scheme change.

by mrg80 on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Question:

Prince Amukamara is finally getting playing time, right? How has he been?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 17, 2012 3:52 AM PST reply actions  

Not too spectacular

I think he’s sorta the 4th CB, as Corey Webster is #1, Ross is #2 and often Rolle comes in as #3 and we have Deon Grant fill in at safety

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by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 AM PST up reply actions  

he was picked on during the redskins game, and steps in when ross gets tired, and for the past few weeks hes been pretty good doing that

we havent heard his name called at all, so i guess thats a good thing?

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by JasonPierrePwned on Jan 17, 2012 5:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I still think it was the scheme that was messing Prince up

In college, Prince was compared to Revis in playing style. I think our DC was utilizing Prince all wrong.

by CCE718 on Jan 17, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Last week

was the most snaps he’s had in a while.

Rodgers immediately went to look for him when he was in, but Prince didn’t give up any catches, which means he must have played well

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Just wanted to say to all you guys

You all seem much more down to earth and humble than the Packers fans. Should be a good game, Id wish you luck, but Id rather you didnt get much of it

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by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 17, 2012 4:38 AM PST reply actions  

in their game thread for the Saints/49ers game

you can see them talking about having a three-peat because the Saints were knocked out.

No joke. three peat.. having not played a playoff game yet going for the repeat.

I can’t even think about the super bowl yet. These freaking coin flip heart attack inducing madness games.

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 6:17 AM PST up reply actions  

yeap.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 6:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, still better than the old days when the superbowl always seemed to suck!

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Hello Niner Nation

To reiterate some of the BBV sentiment, thank you all for being more humble than some of the other teams. I am pumped for the game and hope for an old fashioned throwback to both of our glorious 80s and 90s teams. Back then, I loved to hate the 49ers back then, despite a tremendous Husker corps you all boasted during that time (Rathman and Craig are still two of my favorite Huskers of all time and made it tough to root against them). Here is hoping for a good game!

Watched the whole 9ers/Saints game and was really impressed by your D. What would you all say is the biggest weakness to your D?

by CCE718 on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 AM PST reply actions  

Pass defense, hands down.

I don’t see how anyone can refute that.

by Odekerk on Jan 17, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

You know...

That will work into Eli’s favor then.

To recipirocate, our weakness depends on what team shows up. Are you going to get the Giants that faced the Packers last Sunday or the Giants that lost to the Skins twice.

by CCE718 on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Weaknesses of our D?

There are some, of course. But not many. Pass defense out of the base D is not a strength, which I’d wager the Saints picked up on, as when they went to double TE sets on obvious passing downs, notwithstanding their ex-Grahm strengths being at wideout. Another is CB’s not named Rogers putting a play the ball in man coverage (though our 2nd CB, Brown, has improved remarkably in this category and others over these last few games). And sometimes the gameplan is wanting, though that definitely wasn’t the case on Saturday.

But the biggest problem by far is too many three and outs on offense producing a lot of possessions for the opposition. Last week we held the Saints to 17 points in 12 possessions, only to give up two touchdowns and a two point conversion in the final two possessions. The numbers game, and the fact that we don’t do defensive rotations, simply caught up with us.

One of several underrated factors in this game will be how much time of possession we are able to amass. Some of that will depend on the turnover battle, which we simply can’t afford to lose. But another is going to be taking some time off the clock even when we’re not scoring points so the D doesn’t have to come up with 15 stops.

by BKisforSF on Jan 17, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Think it was

after the Giants game that I said he had proved something to me this year, that he was a better quarterback than I’d ever figured he’d be. I still don’t see eye-to-eye with his biggest fans, probably never will, but I have always rooted for him. As per the Carlin, ‘Scratch a cynic and you’ll find a disappointed idealist’.

Of course the Detroit game, and the Eagles game, and the Giants game were nothing like his performance Saturday, and the stats as well as the ‘advanced stats’ and God forbid our lying eyes bear that out.

Some of those throws he made were mind-blowing to me, based on prior expectations. I even loved that incomplete target of Swain on a fly route, who for some unknown reason hesitated while running past the db. That to me looked like a good read and a good pass but for the poor route by a guy who is frankly probably in over his head (Crabtree and kdub have got to step it up). It also showed he could make good throws to people other than VD, which will be key this weekend.

Frankly, if Alex comes out Sunday playing anything like he did in the 4th quarter Saturday, I find it hard to believe we don’t win.

by BKisforSF on Jan 17, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Good stuff.

I agree pretty much spot on. His accuracy and cool demeanor really stood out in the 4th quarter.

by mr. instigator on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

The opportunity to get a big pass play or two, usually when one our safeties makes a mistake. Most teams can’t take advantage but the best QBs have (Romo, Vick, Eli, Brees) and the primary culprit has been one of our safeties caught out of position. They don’t make errors often but the one time or two that they do, the top QBs have taken advantage. For this to happen of course, the OL has to block our rush, a feeling that I’m sure is duplicated on your side. It never matters if a DB is beat or out position if the QB is on the ground.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Biggest weakness:

Big plays. While I think the secondary is pretty good, we do give up a lot of big plays.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

We give up big plays because our D, especially our safeties take risks… there’s no way you are tied for the most takeaways in the league without taking some chances.

I think we’ve adjusted to the fact that we are susceptible to a big play or two per game if we want to play the type of football to generate 3+ turnovers in a game.

by Mapletreemarty on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Where has Freddy P Soft being staying while in NY with you guys?

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 AM PST reply actions  

Who?

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

thanks

I think?

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

been staying*

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FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I live in Oakland and listen to sports radio

So I know what that means. All I can say is, Harbaugh is a deeply strange individual. Seems to work, though.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 8:55 AM PST reply actions  

I'd grant you

eccentric, but strange, much less deeply so…?? If there’s anything strange about Harbaugh, I’d be interested to hear it articulated. He’s hyper-competative, and loves his players like family. Everything he does is understandable in that context.

by BKisforSF on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

if anything he's one of the easiest personalities to understand

a pretty linear mindset.

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FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 17, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

sorry, 'deeply strange' is pretty harsh

I’ve heard a few of his press conferences on the radio, and he seems pretty cool. He generally says really smart stuff. I guess its the general intensity of his game-face demeanor is something that I personally find very difficult to relate to, since I’m extremely laid back. He is obviously an excellent coach, and I don’t know him personally, so I don’t really have the grounds to say that.

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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't say strange

Intense for sure. Quite confident in himself. Hyper aware of all that is going on. But the great ones at their profession often are the types you love to have on your side and get rubbed the wrong way if they’re on the other side.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Cruz, Nicks, and Manningham

What makes each of them so good? The Giants were one of the few teams who created serious problems for the 49ers secondary this season, especially Cruz, who gave the pro-bowl-bound Rodgers the run around all afternoon. Have they been successfully contained all year? And how do they stack up against the other elite receiving corps in the league?

Also, just in case this thread devolves into trash talk, its worth noting that the 49ers and Giants are the two most complete teams left in the playoffs, and either would be my pick to win it all in Indy. Sunday’s game might as well be the Superbowl.

by ninerspride on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent analysis BBI

That was perfect.

Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.

by CCE718 on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said

Well said. A few things I would add:

Both Nicks and Cruz are very dangerous in the open field, but get it done in very different ways. Nicks can run through arm tackles from CB’s and shrug off hits from safeties trying to “lay the wood” (like Peprah on Sunday) instead of form-tackling. The Giants also like throwing it out to him in the flat and force a corner to tackle him one-on-one (they usually can’t).

Cruz is less physical but more shifty and elusive than Nicks, and has shown great ability to juke defenders in the open field. He has better game speed than his 40-time would indicate, and is tough to chase down from behind. He frequently works out of the slot (often matching him up with a nickel corner or safety), and is probably Eli’s #1 target on 3rd down plays over the middle.

Both Nicks and Cruz can catch deep balls down the field too (both are physical and aggressive on balls in the air), but do most of their damage after the catch. Good, fundamentally sound tackling will be important to keep them under control. They each have had periodic spells of the dropsies this season, which were probably mostly mental in nature (looking to turn up the field before the ball is secure).

Manningham has flown under the radar with all the attention devoted to Nicks and Cruz, but he is dangerous as well. He has the best straight-line speed of the 3, and Eli often looks for him streaking deep down the field. With Cruz and Nicks likely seeing their fair share of double-teams, Manningham will get a lot of 1-on-1 opportunities, so he could have a big game.

It would be tough to totally stop all 3 of these guys. But if the 9ers can limit Cruz and Nicks’ YAC opportunities (by double-teaming and gang-tackling), they will greatly reduce the chance of a big play, which the Giants offense has largely relied upon this year. The 49ers can’t totally sleep on Ballard or Travis Beckum either, as both have the potential to hurt you if you aren’t paying attention.

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by lemonjello on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Great analysis, from the both of you

I think the 49ers secondary vs. the Giants receiving corps is going to be the battle of the night. From the sound of it, it looks like the 49ers will have to be at their best to win this game.

The 49ers are a solid team in pass coverage, with a group of no-name players coming together to make a near-elite unit. Carlos Rodgers leads the CBs, and although he lacks elite speed, he has an outstanding football IQ and seems to always be in a position to make a play. His ability to diagnose routes pre-snap makes him the most dangerous DB on the team, as Eli Manning found out the last time he visited Candlestick. He shifts inside when the 49ers go to their nickel package, where its usually his job to win the battle with the slot receiver without any help from the safeties. Cruz vs. Rodgers is going to be a heavy weight fight.

CB2 Tarell Brown is a five-year veteran who has really come into his own this year. He’s been improving all season, and has been playing at a near-elite level lately, with 5 interceptions and 7 passes defended in the last four games. 49ers CBs don’t generally shadow opposing receivers, but when they do, Brown is often the guy who is paired with a safety to bracket an opponent’s WR1. I could see him covering Nicks much of the day.

CB3 Chris Culliver’s rookie season has been Brown’s opposite — he’s regressed as the season has gone on, but he’s still a beast in zone coverage and will hit anything that moves. He only enters the game as a nickel back, and takes Rodgers spot covering a wideout. What he lacks in polish he makes up for in raw skill, as he has elite size (6’0") and elite speed (4.4 40) for the position.

Unlike the Giants, the 49er safeties rarely have primary coverage responsibilities. Their main responsibility is blowing up ball carriers, which they did with abandon against the Saints. SS Donte Whitner makes the calls for the defense, and is more often than not patrolling the box or teaming up with a linebacker to bracket a tight end. Pro-Bowl FS Dashon Goldson plays deep, and uses his ridiculous speed to close on the ball and come up with interceptions. Like a lot of safeties, Goldson and Whitner sometimes go for the big play instead of the good tackle, which can lead to them getting burned. They were responsible for 2 late touchdowns last weekend, and could have easily cost the 49ers the game.

And I don’t have to tell you all about Patrick Willis and Navorro Bowman. They are one of the only ILB duos who stay on the field for every snap, even when a team goes to 3 or 4 receivers. Both are great in short zones, with Willis also being a beast covering tight ends in man coverage. Both have the closing speed to shut down running backs coming out of the backfield. They were able to somewhat contain Jimmy Graham and Darren Sproles last weekend with very little help from their secondary, who were preoccupied with taking away the deep pass.

This is how I see it playing out: Bradshaw, Ballard, and Beckum won’t be huge factors, since the 49ers are great a stopping underneath players from getting too much YAC. Manningham could be a problem (DeSean Jackson caused problems for the 49ers as well) but the 49ers pass rush usually scares QBs into giving up on deep routes. That leaves Nicks, who the 49ers will bracket most of the day, and Cruz, who will paired up one-on-one with Carlos Rodgers. Who wins that battle? I have no idea, but they will probably also win the game.

by ninerspride on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

haha did not realize I just wrote a novel

I’m just really excited about this game. its going to be epic.

by ninerspride on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the scouting report, nice job

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

wow. haha thanks for the information. Really useful.

I think it plays out slightly differently than how you described it. I agree with Nicks getting bracketed (I think teams have learned their lesson) and I agree with Cruz vs Rodgers being the keystone to the entire game.

I suppose Culliver will cover Manningham, but I honestly think that’s a mismatch in the Giants’ favor, so I can see Whitner helping out some, which leaves the ILBs against Ballard and Bradshaw coming out of the backfield. I think you guys win that battle quite easily, but if Cruz or Manningham are put under single coverage with one safety focused on Hakeem and the other playing up or on the other WR…I think the potential of a big play is there and that’s how the Giants mostly score…by feeding off each coverage mismatch.

Eli is excellent in diagnosing those mismatches. Problem then becomes if he has enough time to go through the progressions, and that’s where Brooks, Smith, Smith, Sopoagoa (sp?) McDonald, etc come in vs our OL and you guys have the advantage there. If we have time, I do think we pick your secondary apart.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

that's a fair diagnosis

Culliver got posterized by Manningham last game for a touchdown, and got beat a few other times but Manning misfired. He’s the secondary’s biggest liability heading into Sunday.

But time is not necessarily a QBs friend when playing the 49ers, as Vic Fangio pressure schemes are great at messing with quarterback’s heads. Drew Brees had lots of time — and he still couldn’t get much going until the fourth quarter started. It’ll be interesting to see if Eli can succeed where Brees failed.

by ninerspride on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

that near-miss on the last drive to manningham...

I can imagine how horrified 9ers fans were by that. If eli doesn’t overthrow by literally 6 inches, or manningham leaves his feet…that was really close. But the niners made plays in the red zone. Probably the toughest part of your defense, since it makes the field smaller and the secondary becomes relatively less important compared to the linebackers.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Red zone worries.

hard to score on the Niners when the field shrinks.

Another concern of mine is having 80, 90 yard fields to drive on. The Niners having a great defense and great special teams will put us in long fields more than the team would like, presumably.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Eli, and most great QB's who study (unlike Snanchez :-)

often know where the single coverage will be presnap. Eli knows where he is going with the ball should the protection breakdown too quickly to go through his progressions. Then it boils down to where the pressure is coming from, and can he find a spot/lane to throw in.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully it's Culliver on Nicks

with deep help. Brown gives up way too much size and physicality against Nicks and that’s what Culliver excels at (when his head is in the game). Being quick and speedy makes Brown a much better match up for Cruz or Manningham. I’d prefer Rogers on Nicks, but he’s the slot man in the nickel, so he’ll be on Cruz unfortunately when the Giants are in 3+ receiver formations, which I suspect will be the vast majority of the time.

Last time Eli liked what the niners were giving him on Cruz/Rogers. That ended up with two Rogers pics, but one of those mistakes was quirky. He also liked what we gave him on Ballard, who had a miserable game. But for those mistakes and Ballard’s abomination of a game, Eli probably beats us. That’s gotta be a big topic of concern going into Sunday, even before we think about their improvement on defense.

On the plus side, we barely pressured Eli last time, so plenty of room for improvement there.

by BKisforSF on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

you might not have to worry on ballard

guy hasn’t been the same since he hurt his knee about 6 weeks ago.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, someone's actually giving Tarell Brown credit.

About time.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

not surprised

his credit score is actually pretty good given how much he makes as an NFL player

bu-dum-tish

by reedkrase on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd take your guys before any of other set of WR's in football...

…with the way Nicks is playing now and last season. With the way Nicks was playing midseason much less so. But that was probably a function of injury.

If you throw in the entire receiving corps though, I’d definitely take the Saints first- Sproles and Graham are thoroughly impossible to defend when utilized by a qb who can get the ball to them properly. I’d take your guys over the Pack. Nelson is overrated, Driver is old and Jones is terrible. IMHO.

by BKisforSF on Jan 17, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

nice analysis, but I gotta disagree about the cruz/smith comparison

That guy is a transcendent athlete.

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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

2

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by mikeinsp on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No 1

but also a fumble

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

we talking the last NY-SF game?

Rodgers had two INTs. One in 2Q, one in the 4th.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Er wow I thought I read Rodgers, not Rogers

Even with the interceptions though, Cruz got the better of Rogers for most of the day.

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by Willgfass on Jan 18, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Was he guarded by Carlos on all his catches?

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by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

But that was the talk post game of Rogers doing Cruz’s salsa dance

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by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Rogers danced after picking off Eli right in front of Cruz

Cruz had 2 good plays on Rogers that I saw from rewatching a 18 min highlight reel. A crossing pattern that he juked Rogers and got open for around 20 yards. The other was a pick on a go pattern (Rogers should have just ran through the other receiver for a potential penalty) and Cruz caught a 25 or so yard pass on the sideline.

by mrg80 on Jan 20, 2012 5:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Comparisons

I’m interested in how fans judge each teams personel. We’re all coming from a biased place but I’d be interested how NYG fans see their units versus ours.

Offense: NY(QB, WR) SF (TE). I’d judge RB as equal and OL as slight advantage to NY, though that is likely negated with the game being in SF.

Defense: SF (LB, Secondary). I’d judge DL as equal (3-4 vs 4-3 makes it harder to compare but the NY linemen get more sacks while SF linemen are better at stopping the run).

Special Teams: SF (PK, P, Returner, Coverage Units). If Ginn is unable to return kicks, this position becomes equal.

What say y’all?

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

That all seems fair

The secondary of NY is underrated though. We may have played an excellent game against Brees, at least until the last two minutes, they just played a possibly better game against Rodgers, which is about as hard. The only reason Rodgers ran so much is because no one was ever open. Still, I’d take our unit which has proven itself consistently.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, Ballard is pretty underrated

But again, I’d take Davis and possibly Walker over him, especially after last week.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Only issue I have is Dline

From what I have seen of your Dline, I can see why you would think so highly of them. But I think ours is the best in football. Not to say that yours couldn’t outplay ours this Sunday, I realize how good your boys are. But once again, I don’t think you can compare any teams Dline to ours. DE’s,and DT’s are all beastly.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

It's close

I don’t think there’s a doubt that these are the best two defensive lines in football. You guys are better at rushing the passer, and we’re better at stopping the run, so they’re about equal.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

Different schemes, asked to do different things, not really useful to compare them.

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by Virginia9er on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's my comparison:

QB: NYG
RB: SF
OT: SF
OG: Push
OC: SF
TE: SF
WR: NYG

Front Seven (Overall): SF
Front Seven (Pass Rush): NYG
Front Seven (Run D): SF
Front Seven (Pass coverage): Push/slight edge SF
CB: SF
S: Push

K: SF
P: SF
PR: SF
KR: SF

Coaching: Push/Slight edge NYG

I know coaching will be a sticking point for everyone, but I think TC’s experience and resume give him a very slight advantage over obvious HC of the year. I think its mostly a push though.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree on Coughlin

Harbaugh has been working miracles, but Coughlin has guided the Giants through what seems like a thousand injuries this season, as well as one of the hardest schedules in the league. Plus, he’s got a ring. I think Coughlin is the better coach right here, right now — although we’ll have to reevaluate that if the 49ers win the SB.

by ninerspride on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree, especially on coaching

I think it likely to be a push when it comes to team and game preperation. One staff or the other may come up with a specific play or scheme that tips the balance in their teams favor but, for now, any slight edge has to go to the guy that’s been there and done that with his team. Coughlin is that guy, for at least five more days.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea how he did it, but somehow Coughlin did some kind of crazy mind-meld with his team

The rap on him has always been that he can’t relate to players young enough to be his grandkids. At the dark points of this season it looked like that was spot on. In the last few games before the playoffs, he managed to get in all of their heads and get them all on what almost seems like confidence drugs. JPP guaranteed the GB win, and Rolle has come damn close to doing that for this game. Weird thing is it doesn’t come off as cocky, which Rolle almost always is, just like they have this expectation of winning that they are dead certain will come true. That being said, Harbaugh is probably the best motivator in the league now, after the fall of Rex Ryan. All of that stuff becomes less important the bigger the games get, though – everybody is up for the NFC championship, if they’re not they shouldn’t be playing in the NFL.

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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

That all seems fair

I agree that you guys do have an intangible advantage simply from experience. However, we have a slight intangible advantage from being at home, which either evens out or works slightly in your favor.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 17, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a fan of TC at all

Don’t like how he gets on players when they make mistakes. Against the niners he was all shaking heads after every blunder. Sends a horrible message when the head coach does that. No leadership at all there, and sets a bad tone (amongst other things, basically and very publicly blaming players kills morale, not least when things like e.g. screwing up onsides kicks when tendencies that are predictable from the film are nothing if not the coaches fault).

Harbaugh never does this kind of thing. Never seen him sell out one of his players during a game or in any way publicly. Case in point, very same game, after Ginn had one go through his hands, off his helmet, straight up into the air and land in Webster’s arms taking sure points off the board in a tight game, JH calls his Ginn’s number during next series, which was after the half. Ginn catches the ball first down. Bang, he’s back in the game. Would TC do that? Not so sure.

With that attitude I’m not surprised about the late season collapses that plagued the team before this year (and almost this year). I’m not surprised you guys started playing better when he finally backed off this year. It’s not to say he’s not a good X’s and O’s coach, just that he’s very far from perfect. Also, he gets a lot more credit for being able to win with one of the most talented teams in football than I would give him, but that’s just one person’s opinion.

As for Harbaugh, if you look at how this team has played the two times it had two weeks to prepare- coming off the bye and into the Saints game, that’s a pretty good indication of how good a coach he is. If you look at how well he gameplans to his strengths, how many top flight coaches he’s put on his staff and how well his team executes fundamentals, (if not trick plays), that all adds up to a pretty impressive coaching performance.

My gut feeling is that Coughlin does a MUCH better job preparing your guys for us than he did last time, which is one of my concerns. That and success getting to JH’s and the other coach’s head (hasn’t happened yet, shockingly, for a team that started the season with such low expectations- but last week’s win is going to test their ability to handle success like no other). So we’ll see after the game whether TC’s vaunted playoff experience actually does change perceptions.

But ex-ante, going on just the record to date, I’d have to disagree with you about which coach/coaching staff is ‘better’.

by BKisforSF on Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I pretty much agree

This has been the rap on him for the entire time he has been with the giants. He has trouble connecting, but when he does, watch out. The team has probably underperformed its talent the last 5 years, although the (before this year) tough NFC East mitigates that somewhat. He is above-average in-game, and is good at coaching through adversity like injuries and tough losses.

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by rich316 on Jan 17, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Must take issue with "above average" in game.

I think he is an outstanding game day coach.

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by tommy d. on Jan 17, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

yea no doubt

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by Troy O on Jan 17, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Tough Nfc East ? Please!!!

So tired of the tough NFC East talk. those days are over! average division, and the numbers prove it.

by dglove49 on Jan 21, 2012 6:38 AM PST up reply actions  

And even in a down season...

3 teams were .500 or better and may end up with the SB Champion.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 21, 2012 12:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

It wasn't a top division last year either

The NFCE has zero playoff wins last season. They’ve had one SB appearance the past seven seasons. Half the division (Cowboys & Redskins) has combined for two playoff wins that past 15 seasons. Two in fifteen. Every West team has done better than that. Actually, the West is the only division since realignment (2002) that has had one team in the Divisional round every year, and the only with at least one playoff win in nine of those ten seasons.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 21, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

With exactly zero titles...

The west is a perennial doormat. To try and argue that it’s better than the east ruins your credibility as far as I’m concerned.

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 21, 2012 6:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

You changed the argument?

The question was about the East being average. It is. It’s just as average as the West. The East has produced the same number of SB champs (1) in the past 15 years as the West (1). As pointed out above, the West teams have done better than East teams in the playoffs since realignment. Argue the numbers like you’re a politician but the truth still wins out. Seems your credibility is the one is question.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 22, 2012 3:17 AM PST up reply actions  

perception is reality.

its more about the sum,history and historical importance of the teams that reside in it.

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by Troy O on Jan 22, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats what you see on TV .

And if you think he is like that always you’re mistaken. Rolle has a pic of TC on his shirt this week. BJ always praises TC in interviews . Boley the same. Tuck on his weekly show as well ….

Or u can judge for yourself here…

http://www.giants.com/media-vault/videos/Giants-Postgame-Celebration-/83415dbe-6073-47fd-b907-d9f37e5f5e46

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by Troy O on Jan 17, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

reply fail --v

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by Troy O on Jan 17, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

If athletes are that sensitive to a pissed looking coach, they’re mentally soft and I’d rather not have them on my team. Life is harder than that so I’d like to think that these guys can handle a coach like that, so long as he is that way with everyone and he carries the weight of his job. TC does that.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

No

Players look up to coaches. That’s how it’s supposed to be. They’re not supposed to be indifferent to whether the coach thinks they’re garbage or the greatest thing since sliced bread. The player coach relationship is akin to the father son relationship, with the most singular objective of the player being to accomplish the tasks that the coach sets out, and to look for clues on how to do so from the coach, i.e. to emulate his behavior. That’s how it works.

So when the coach in question doesn’t have the self-control and focus to roll with bad happenings, it’s a bit like an infantry officer that loses his [site decorum] in the fox hole. Not good for morale. And that is made worse when the guy losing it is also selling him out with ostentatious made for the camera displays of his disapproval. That goes a long way to creating a poisonous eat-your-own team environment.

So it’s really not a surprise to me that the trademark of TC coached teams has been the late season fade into oblivion, often with remarkably talented squads (I should know, living in New York City, fyi). Meanwhile, what have many players and pundits credited with the Giants turnaround this year? A post-second Washington loss talk where TC finally changed tac and talked up his players instead of berating them. Next thing you know they win 4 straight in impressive fashion and are poised to play for the NFC championship.

It manifestly matters how a coach conducts himself and acts toward his players the way it matters how any leader of a company or a city or an infantry division acts, the same way it has done all throughout history since well before St. Crispin’s Day. And that’s really not debatable. On Sunday, I’ll be looking first and foremost to whether we can rattle Coughlin, and if we do I’ll feel confident in the outcome.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

so your a Rex Ryan guy "players coach" whos that working out?

meanwhile in the real world TC is winning SBs..

A post-second Washington loss talk where TC finally changed tac and talked up his players instead of berating them. Next thing you know they win 4 straight in impressive fashion and are poised to play for the NFC championship.

I think I smell crack!! Im sure it had nothing to do with Tuck , Boley and Osi getting healthy. Or the simplified D? Nooo It couldn’t have been that!!

These “2nd 1/2 fades into oblivion” you speak of ,. do u think (since u live in NY) may have something to do with the 9 different Olinemen the had to work with last yr?
Or in 08 when they beat both SB teams and were well on their way to a repeat. until Plax happen . and yes the O was ran throw him being on the field that yr. he was that important.
or how about 09 when the Giants were signing guys of the st to play WR. and had Kenny Phillips( lost for the yr.). Kiwi IR’d or Osi gone for 7 games Ross out 12 games, C Canty out 8?

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Whos = How's . throw = through.

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I know of no New Yorkers that would begrudge me a healthy helping of crack

which helps to explain Rex Ryan, not to mention the take on this matter of half your squad.

Notwithstanding, I must protest your ruthless totemization of a strawman here. I’ve written nothing to imply that I think that the Giants either win and lose on the basis of what side of the bed old bean wakes up on. And there’s a good reason for that.

Because frankly, I don’t think teams win or lose soley on the basis of coaching, period. For example, I’d quite happily pit your professional football coach and pop warner players against my pop warner coach and professional football players. I actually don’t even think it’s possible to attribute wins or losses, or even contributions to wins or losses, to independent factors in the first place, and am not exactly huge fans of the people currently flogging this nonsense in the first place (e.g. Football Outsiders, etc.).

That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t take the strawman over the litany of post-hoc feel-good stories approach you’ve thrown up to explain the Giants repeated late seasons failures, (notwithstanding that Plaxico Burress definitely explains 2009. He was in the papers a lot, right? Plus what other teams lose arguably their second best offensive players during an NFL season?). That would be a tough call. Speaking of which, you’ll need some more stories to fill in this blank: since Couglin became HC in 2004, the Giants have won 74 percent of their games in September and October and 45% from November on.

What, I am doing is making an observation backed by evidence such as player comments, Coughlin’s actual record of success and failure, and things we can posit based on prior knowledge of human experience. All of which add up to the fact that leadership at the top matters, and that everything I’ve personally witnessed of Coughlin has made me believe he’s not a good leader, whatever his strengths as a football mind.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

lol!
All of which add up to the fact that leadership at the top matters, and that everything I’ve personally witnessed of Coughlin has made me believe he’s not a good leader, whatever his strengths as a football mind.

ok . ill take our "not a good leader HC " and …


"

Then of course this..

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

That should do it

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

since Couglin became HC in 2004, the Giants have won 74 percent of their games in September and October and 45% from November on.

TCs Jacksonville days
1995. 3-5=1-7
1996. 3-5=6-2
1997. 5-3=6-2
1998. 6-2=5-3
1999. 7-1=7-1
2000. 2-6=5-3
2001. 3-5=3-5
2002. 3-5=3-5
hope this helps!

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Frankly im confused to as what u r trying to say.

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding

Barry Switzer has won a super bowl bru. And I don’t think Coughlin’s that abominable, simply that he’s overrated based on the talent he’s had with the Giants and the rig the expansion teams of 95 had (Carolina followed a very similar trajectory).

I see his weaknesses as clearly revealing themselves in his rep with players around the league, in the failures that got him fired at Jacksonville and almost fired several times from the Giants, and in his problems keeping teams focused through the season, as evidenced by the pronounced seasonal trend cited. And on top of all that, I don’t like how easily he unravels in full blown pantomime on the sidelines, and I sincerely hope he relapses to form this weekend.

And let me boil it down further: if Coughlin were our coach, I’m exceedingly confident we’d have had no where near the success we ended up having. On the other hand, if Harbaugh were the coach of the Giants, I’d expect you’d be the ones at home this weekend, instead of us.

The question that started it all was who has the advantage in the coaching dept. The idea it’s a push is to me like saying that your receivers and ours are a push. Not tenable. All clear now?

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

lol
I see his weaknesses as clearly revealing themselves in his rep with players around the league, in the failures that got him fired at Jacksonville and almost fired several times from the Giants,

Dude my ol lady has been sick for a week with a bug (the runs) and every time i read one of your post im not sure if im catching her sickness or just gonna shit myself due to your hilarity

u do understand hes had 2 jobs ? 8 yrs at both !! and never was he “almost fired” …BSPN much?


if Harbaugh were the coach of the Giants, I’d expect you’d be the ones at home this weekend, instead of us..

Says the little soul who puts little credence in the importance of a HC.

so like the rest of your arguments this one is also part of the east river.

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

If it wasn't for all the clever formatting, inspirational photos and cute internet acronyms

I probably would’ve noticed how your wit is rivaled only by the devastatingly persuasive ‘is too!!!’ and ‘no way. lol!!!’ argumentation that is its wellspring.

Smell you latter runny.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do I get the idea .....

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by Troy O on Jan 19, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF? ROFLMAO!!!!!

because u grew up beneath power lines in gloucester county new jersey?

by BKisforSF on Jan 20, 2012 5:49 AM PST up reply actions  

sure , if that's what gets u through the day!

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by Troy O on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Success is earned over time. First year miracles happen. talk in 5 years

by Giantstep on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you realize these long post and fancy sentence structure...

Does nothing for your credibility?! While you were spending all your energy trying to sound smart you contradicted yourself numerous times.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 9:38 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Do you realize how inconsequential an anonymous internet opinion is...

when that thing doing the chirping is unwilling to lower themselves to substantiate it? While you were spending all your energy trying to play keyboard enforcer you forgot to mention anything SETI might recognize as potentially anomalous. Consider this an opportunity to redeem yourself.

by BKisforSF on Jan 19, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Father/son sounds like Singletary style

That works in college, not the pros. If you as a coach happen to naturally develop that relationship with a few players, wonderful. But these are pros, it’s big business, and the coach is not the parent, nor are the players, who often reach their mid 30s while playing, children.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Father/son sounds like Chuck Noll

I can throw out names too. Doesn’t change the fact that teams look to leaders both on the field and on the sideline. In that, the poise of a coach matters. A lot.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That was the 70s

And those players still weren’t his sons. Coach/player relationships have changed greatly since those days, in part due to salary and free agency.

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We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

?

Weren’t his sons? Does that explain the diversity of last name? Sorry, the tangents are getting increasingly baffling.

At this point, probably best you believe whatever makes you happy. I’ll stick to the ’it’s controversial because people like to argue on the internet’ idea that the head coach of a team is it’s most important leader, and that the character, poise and example more broadly of that leader is of profound importance to the effectiveness of the team he leads.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

You wrote:

The player coach relationship is akin to the father son relationship

I countered it. You can weasel out by claiming “tangents” or “controversial because people like to argue on the internet” when it is obvious you are doing the arguing. It seems that NYG poster got in your head and you’re directing it at me. My point was a difference of opinion that I stand by as a counter to your statement blockquoted above.

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We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Not arguing against my post

Arguing that you and I asserting things about the kind of relationship chuck noll had with his players is asinine and beside the point. The point, again, is: “that the head coach of a team is its most important…” above. If you want to counter something, probably best to start with that.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't get to choose what I start with

I started with the main point: pro players are not nor should they have their relationships with their head coaches compared as father/son as some sort of expectation, which you did.

The use of Noll was brought up by you so if making assertions about him is asinine, why did you bring it up?

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
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by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

To illustrate that 'yeah but... Singletary'

is not a comeback. But it’s pretty telling u want to talk about anything but the underlying point.

by BKisforSF on Jan 19, 2012 4:46 AM PST up reply actions  

As to father-son gate

You get them in all walks of life, including as I’ve said the military, the work force, politics, etc. It doesn’t have to mean bobbing on the guy’s knee and playing for that hug u want deeply inside. It means there’s an authority and age/experience differential there and that gives the relationship paternal dynamics.

I’ve had mentors in my professional career where the relationship is analogous, and I run my people and my projects with a certain sense of ownership that to me is very reminiscent of my role as a father. And I don’t manage anywhere people as young or as commonly without fathers of their own sd your typical NFL coach (nor am I as old… yet).

anything like

by BKisforSF on Jan 19, 2012 5:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Fat finger fail

Speaking of old.

Point being, if u want to define down father-son relationship for the sake of argument, that’s argument by obstinacy, hence ‘controversial because it’s the internet’. If you’d rather respond to the substance of my comment, I’ve highlighted now twice the bit you’d want to start with.

by BKisforSF on Jan 19, 2012 5:21 AM PST up reply actions  

We're now focused on two different things

Which is fine but it’s not worth continuing this thread.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice job BBI

We’ll see if David Baas takes issue and stands out against his old team. It feels odd seeing the SF defense (excepting pass rush) rated higher than NY as they’re playing the last few games, but I can’t find a good argument against your breakdown.

Nice to see all the good words for Coughlin from Niners Nation; Harbaugh’s looking like a genius. I say push.

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by Lady Kaede on Jan 17, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

We hope a lot

In the win streak, it’s been more times than not.

When we were losing, it was not so much

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by Willgfass on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

vernon will have a rookie on him most likely

Jacquian Williams is our best rookie, but still a rookie. he is very athletic and there is no question he can run with vernon, but i expect vernon to win that matchup. however, on the outside i think our corners match up with your receivers quite well.

by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2012 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

he'll have boley on him

and boley held him to 2 catches for 5 yds before he got hurt.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

prob Safety help over the top as well

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Just watched the replay

It looks like you played a ton of zone coverages in the beginning of the first game.
While Boley was in there:
16 pass plays: Niners were 12/15 151 yards 1 sack 1 bad throw 1 pass defensed
2 times Davis was held in to block
1 play Davis was out
9 plays Boley played a middle zone-Niners were 6/8 84 yards 1 sack
5 plays Rolle had Davis- Niners were 3/5 27 yards
5 plays Boley had Davis-Niners were 3/4 38 yards 1 pd 1 sack
Boley covered Walker once-allowed an 18 yard rec.
Ginn caught a 14 yard pass in Boley’s zone once.

Looks like the Niners didn’t have that much trouble moving the ball with Boley in there.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

so did Davis have 5 yds?

and how many of those yds were to B Edwards? If you don’t mind.

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Davis

had 2 catches for 9 yards during that time. Both with Rolle on him.

Edwards had 3 catches for 47 yards in those 16 plays.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 18, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

cool thanks...

couldn’t remember the exact yds for Davis and I don’t think Edwards is playing sunday…J/K

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

thank god

Williams is 10 times the receiver he is. Still green though.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

so wait

I thought Ted Ginn took his spot…tell me about williams if you dont’ mind.

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

2nd year guy in the Wes Welker mold

small quick twitch type with good toughness and great hands. was playing very promisingly before concussion against seahawks (on a flukey KO return where he fell down- total disaster).

disappeared against the saints in first game back but did lay a great crack back block on Smith’s rushing td. hoping he returns to form. we’re going to need him with the renewed focus on Davis and w/o Ginn who seems almost certain to miss the game with all that’s been bothering him.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks bro

didn’t know about him, and I hate relying on stats. I prefer getting a feel from fans.

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It would be nice if some of our larger receivers

Played with the aggression Williams shows. That little guy has a stiff arm that should make most running backs jealous.

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by Ougadas on Jan 21, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know the split, and it is different for different teams

But we do play alot of traditional cover 2 with Kenny Phillips the Free Safety playing back. I’m not sure if we will see more 3 LB 2 safety sets this week. Last week we had 3 safetys on the field alot because we weren’t worried too much about GB’s running game.

But we may see more 3 LB sets vs. your boys because your running game is much better than the Packs.

I will be interested to see if JPP or Tuck chip VD every play like they did against Jermichael Finley. That strategy disrupted the Packs short passing game. It also affected the potency of our pass rush but the strategy worked brilliantly.

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Eli is always good forTwo picks , especially against this Defense ...

.. that’s right Two picks , you read it here first , I typed it and standing by it … Two Picks …!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 6:48 AM PST reply actions  

That's what Packers fans said :)

we’ll see.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

thats what everyone we play says

i just laugh every week. fans of other teams for the most part just dont realize how awesome eli has been this season.

but hey, good luck with those promised 2 ints that eli will throw.

by The Blood of Eli on Jan 18, 2012 7:17 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

threw 3 to Redskins

Alex hasn’t thrown a two pick game all year. Its actually somewhat likely as he threw two picks last time he came this way. Something about the Pacific winds I’m sure.

by mcwagner on Jan 18, 2012 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Its not out of the question, certainly.

But he isn’t “always good” for two picks when he averaged only one a game (less if you include playoffs). Smith hasn’t thrown a two pick game all year, but he hasn’t been relied on nearly as much as the Giants have relied on Eli.

3144 yards and 17 TDs vs 4933 yards and 29 TDs attest to that. Sometimes Eli has had to force the ball for the Giants to have any chance…like the Seahawks game, where he drove the Giants down the field for the winning score at the last minute. He threw a perfect pass to Victor Cruz who alligator-armed it and flipped it up to a defender who took it to the house. Then Eli just chucked it up as a last minute hail mary and got it picked off again. Stuff like that.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

They want to see 25 pick Eli and cling to that as hope.

Hey, this Niner D is awesome, they might pick off ANY QB 2 times or more no matter who it is. But to predict it like you know it’s coming?

It’s just one fans way of guessing and hoping to add a “look I predicted it” comment to a post NFCCG winning thread.

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice , thanks for playing , Who's Next ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Did I win anything? :-)

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup , we have a Winner come on Down ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

after the game

are we allowed to come back and point out these predictions…or do you guys consider that trolling?

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

depends on the nature

to say, “we win” offers nothing. But to actually have intellectual conversation is always welcomed. If we beat you, you still have to say, “Yes, but Eli did not throw 2 interceptions”. If you come back in victory, you come back in defeat as well.

by mcwagner on Jan 18, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

deal

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

When your QB throws for under 200 YPG

because the coach doesn’t trust him to throw it a lot, the INT numbers won’t come.

by sexyscottish on Jan 18, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't tell...

Mark Sanchez that. He has got the Multi Int/less then 200yards games down to a T.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 18, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

If Harbaugh doesn't trust Smith...

Then explain Vernon Post. Harbaugh trusts Smith, but he realizes that the offense works best when we play conservative and let our awesome D and ST do the work.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Why make your QB throw it 45 times a game when you don’t even need to do that to win the game. Remember the famous quote “you play to win the game”? You don’t play to throw for 350 yards.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

well

It’s not the yards, it’s the number of attempts.
but his INT% is the best in the league as well (1.1%)…. if he had Eli’s # of attempts he would probably have 7 INTs instead of 5.

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by zenbitz on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice , I see your cognitive behavioral therapy has come to a end ....

… love the way the mis-informed stay mis-informed and they do it by choice …!!

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by Edggy on Jan 19, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith has thrown very little

Comparatively. And his Y/A is rather average.

But the 1. whatever int percentage is very impressive.

He doesn’t throw a lot, but he’s been playing very mistake free this year

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by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

hush with your logic

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He threw 42 against the Saints

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

So the Packer fans and their 32nd rated Defense said that , that is a reach ..................................................... ( mine )............ Not So Much ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Also ststed that Brees would have Three ....!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh wait , it was 12 ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Packers..

surprisingly had the most Interceptions all year with 31.
Cam Newton-3
Jay Cutler-2
Kyle Orton-3
Matt Ryan-2
Sam Bradford-1
Christian Ponder-3
Philip Rivers-3
Josh Freeman-2
Matthew Stafford-5
Eli Manning-1
Carson Palmer-4
Josh McCown-2

The Niners were second with 23.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 18, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

And had more pics

Agree it’s silly to forecast pics. The randomness involved is legion. If it’s sloppy and neither team can get a pass rush, it’s probably going to be a no pic game ten fumble game between the teams.

by BKisforSF on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

No more silly then too forecast anything , if that's the stance you wish to take ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

But weren't close in any other area

Takeaways saved their sorry defense enough so that they could win 15 reg season games. Well runs dry, they couldn’t stop anyone. Our defense was stout and controlled foiled position even without the turnovers.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

well after u soak up the fact that GB had 32!!!!! INTs this yr

its no longer something to sneeze at

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

31

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

32nd ( ranked ) Defense ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah but that's like saying the NO saints

are a dome team that doesn’t play well out doors and was missing their #1 receiver and put up 30+ pts and 400+yds on a sloppy field against the vaunted 49er defense.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Were the Saints missing their number one receiver?

I am a bit confused, because Colston, Graham, and Sproles all played, and played very well, and I thought that they were the top three guys in New Orleans this past season.

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by jbrown63 on Jan 18, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad, I didn't meant to write #1

I meant to write #2…that’s my fault. And no, Graham plays TE and Sproles plays running back. Lance Moore plays receiver.

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I know what positions they play,

I just called them receivers as a general term, because they both see a lot of targets in that offense. I kind of thought that that’s how you meant it, sorry for the mix-up.

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by jbrown63 on Jan 18, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Who were they missing?

And what sloppy field? It was 60 degrees, sunny, and hadn’t rained in weeks.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 18, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't keep up on 49er field conditions

but the interviews I heard from "analysts’ from SF say the field is always slippery. Something about it being so close to the water. But you tell me, is this true?

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

They fixed that problem years ago

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

thx

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It does get pretty windy...

But unless it rains (which is probably going to happen for this game, natch), the field is alright.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 18, 2012 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

thx

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

If it's been raining, absolutely

And it can have morning moisture on it since it sits at the foot of the Bay but the focus on the field conditions last week was way overblown. The “analysts” would’ve done their viewers better to discuss why the 49ers have the best defense in the league, or how they’ve been so dominant at home. Unfortunately, the latter two focus on why SF would win while the worry about the field was a ready excuses for why the Saints might lose.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The Packers gave up more yards then any one in the ...

……………………………. ( HISTORY OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE ) …!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I saw two of the TD passes

1. That was a horrible tackle on the Nicks. Like really wrap up…
2. Thats not how you defend a hailmary…

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

My theory on the Hail Mary

The Packers were expecting a short out, then a timeout and the field goal. The cornerbacks ran up to guard against that and had to play catchup.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 18, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what I've been thinking of this week.

What percentage of that Packers/Giants game comes down to Packers beating themselves vs. Giants beating Packers.

I’ve heard analysts say that’s the worst performance by the Packers all year. They didn’t look themselves. I mean how many teams actually complete a hail mary for a TD at the end of a half? Horrible defense.

Offensively, the Packers were averaging over 5 yards a run, but only ran it with RBs/FBs 16 times all game. Their one-dimensionality really shined through. It’s easier to defend a one headed monster than a two headed monster.

I put 35% of that loss on the Packers.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

With that logic what percentage of the regular season Giant-49er...

Was the Giants beating themselves. Box score says we killed you. The beat ourselves thing is the most over played bullshit ever!

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

What?

Were we watching the same game? Packers looked HORRIBLE.

Hail Mary seriously? That was the worst defense I’ve seen in a while.

Speaking of BS, this whole “hottest team” stuff is overplayed. How are the Giants the hottest team when they finished the reg season by going 3-5? Beating the Cowboys twice and the Jets. Not to mention losing to the Redskins.

And wow the Giants beat the Falcons at home.

I mean, let’s be realistic, the Giants best opponent was the Packers. It was an ass whoopin’. But when you really look at the film, the Packers looked like dookie.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

The hottest team in the NFL were the Saints. Then we beat them.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Exaclty.

Didn’t the Saints reel off like 9 in a row, winning 4 games against eventual playoff teams. Meanwhile NYG were busy going 4-5, while playing ZERO playoff teams and LOSING to the Redskins. The lone bright spot was a home playoff win vs. Atlanta.

So which team was hotter? Saints or Giants?

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

The packers?

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by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Better yet

With a bunch of turnovers the Saints still has a chance to win. What percentage of that win was just the Saints losing the game?! 50%?

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 9:52 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I get your frustration

But in judging games individually, you have to admit there are some games when an opponent commits unforced mistakes (think the Houston player muffing a punt at his own 5-yard line before he was tackled) versus a defense taking it away (Whitner hit on Thomas, the fumble forced by the Giants that the refs incorrectly ruled down). I think it is fair for a neutral observer, thus not a Giants fan, to wonder how much criticism the Packers deserve for their play against NY. If the Giants come out and lose this Sunday 31-10, won’t you wonder if they had a bit of a letdown after the huge road win in GB then traveling across the country? Such a question doesn’t mean the Niners stiill would not have beaten NY, it’s wondering why NY played far worse than you and most would’ve expected.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

The only way I can see the Packers killing themselves is for the dropped passes.

There were 6 or so, and I’d say maybe 1 of them (wide open miss on Greg Jennings first drive) directly led to a TD….and there were 3 drops on one drive itself…so lets, for poops and giggles, assume that also leads to a TD…Now we’re talking 37-34…so we STILL win.

This isn’t even assuming the refs aided two TD drives for the Packers (the fumble that wasn’t and the Osi Umenyiora 3rd down roughing the passer.) Can’t say that because the Packers weren’t up to speed that they fumbled 4 or 5 times and got INT’d. We INT’d Aaron Rodgers in our first meeting. We had 20 INTs and 13 FFs this regular season, so we were also near the top in terms of turnovers created. To say that GB was responsible for the turnovers is to say the same thing that it was Philly’s fault Justin Smith caused the FF to win the game, not a great play by the player himself.

We stomped on them, had constant pressure that forced Aaron Rodgers to make errant throws, and caused 4 turnovers that should have been 5. The biggest reason the Packers seemed off their game is because we made them.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Your emotion shows why a recap of that game must come from a neutral observer

I didn’t say that NY didn’t deserve to win or wouldn’t have won had GB played better. I’m saying that GB deserves criticism for playing so poorly after showing that they are capable of playing far better by doing so throughout the year. That their defense got picked apart was no shock; that was the weakness that was going to ultimately cost them against either the Giants, Saints or Niners. But the decision to on-sides kick early, the lack of urgency as a team, the missed open receivers which had not been part of Rodgers’ game all season, and the drops (Finley has done it all season so that’s no shocker) all deserve criticism independent from what NY did. Much as NY deserved the same when they lost at home in ’08 to an inferior Eagles team.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not denying I'm a biased observer haha.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree somewhat. The emotion was more directed towards no one in particular and me just beating my chest as I am wont to do.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotcha.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a big difference in turning over the ball and creating turn overs ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 19, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't Moore their #3 slot WR, behind Colston and Meachem?

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by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course

14 pts and 110 yards were on two plays at the end of the fourth after our defense was on the field for the better part of 3 quarters.

Aside from those two big plays Brees did have 350 and 2 TD — but that’s not impressive considering it took him 61 attempts.

So for the vast majority of the day our “vaunted” defense frustrated Brees and kept him out of the end zone. But you give a team like the Saints 15 drives and no defense ever assembled is going to hold out forever.

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by Ougadas on Jan 21, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Fail!!!!

Green Bay led the NFL in INTs.You guys should research a little before you make fools of yourselves.

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 9:46 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Fail

Green Bay: 32nd in yardage, 19th in ppg, 26th in 3rd down %, 27th in sacks, 20th in fumble recoveries, 26th in passing avg against.
Above average is rushing avg against at 14th and the interceptions at 1st.
They had a poor defense and in traditional rankings (yardage) they are rated 32nd.

by mcwagner on Jan 19, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't argue anything you're trying to argue...

FACT Green Bay had most int in the league buddy. Their other stats don’t change that.

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

you are

you said fail. What is the fail then?

by mcwagner on Jan 19, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok I'll spell it out...

You guys say Eli good for picks because your D gets alot. I said GB led league in ints so the yardage they yield is irrelevant to the argument. Get it?!

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 1:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

To go with that argument

Our defense being better all around would likely lead to some of those INT, yes? Seeing as how we can pressure the QB far better than GB?

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by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

if that were the case wouldn't the 9ers have led the league in ints?

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by Troy O on Jan 19, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You have to take into account opponent

Or number of passes attempted against.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

u can figure that out if u like ..

in the mean time
GB 31 ints
SF 22 ints

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by Troy O on Jan 19, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Which still doesn't address my earlier point

But the lazy way is the way you prefer.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 1:37 AM PST up reply actions  

lazy or. not the burdon has fallin on u to prove otherwise.

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by Troy O on Jan 20, 2012 2:06 AM PST up reply actions  

No, actually it doesn't

You asked the question = if that were the case wouldn’t the 9ers have led the league in ints? – and I provided you the context to find an answer. You either do it or lazily accept your want that GB was better than the Niners on defense.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 2:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody said GB better on D...

Now who’s being lazy. You said Eli will throw picks because San Fran gets alot of picks. We simply stated that GB had the most, not sure why you’re struggling so much with this. You seem half way smart.

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 20, 2012 7:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Actually, "I" never said that

Read the thread. I gave a context to support someone else’s statement as to why it could happen. I don’t think those kinds of things can be predicted in a one game scenario. He could throw zero or fall behind and end up with four. Who knows. But I’d say it’s more likely against a great defense that is sound than vs one that is poor.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

nope just better at generating TOs

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by Troy O on Jan 20, 2012 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry ints

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by Troy O on Jan 20, 2012 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Which stemmed from Niners fans saying we have a better D than the Packers. So, you weren’t just saying that.

by mrg80 on Jan 20, 2012 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

no he wasn't

here’s what spurned it:

Eli is always good forTwo picks , especially against this Defense …
.. that’s right Two picks , you read it here first , I typed it and standing by it … Two Picks …!!

I’m your " Huckelberry "…it’s just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk … AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory … Extend the Man …!!
by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 6:48 AM PST reply actions

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 20, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Dang , looks like i brought out quit the tangent here ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 20, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

int %

packers 4.9%
niners: 4%

Packers opponents threw way more passes. Also, without crunching the numbers, I think teams that are behind by more throw more INTs. And while neither team was behind much, I think they packers had big leads way more often.

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by zenbitz on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey bro , I said it , don't over generalization fallacy...

… it’s a easy statement based on merit and past performances , how many picks has he thrown this year and how many did he throw last time he played the Niners … but thanks for playing ( Jester ) …!!

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by Edggy on Jan 19, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, not sure what you're getting at.

The Packers had a horrible defense this year, not sure how anyone can argue that.

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by jbrown63 on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Well , just going off of last game with the consideration that it's looks to be a wet game ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

let me ask you honestly

in your heart…do you believe the 9ers win if the game had been in NO?

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

no

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

noone beat NO in NO

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe...

But most likely not. the 49ers offensive line really struggles with blitz pick up on the road. Alex would have taken 10 sacks.

But hey, the 49ers earned a home playoff game by winning 13 games, and beating all but one of the difficult teams on their schedule. Its not the niners fault that the saints got shaken by the bucs and the rams.

by ninerspride on Jan 18, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Without a bye? No

Our team needed the bye more for health than playing at home. As many “experts” noted going into the games last weekend, the Saints had been playing better than anyone the last two months. Any ranking should have them as the best team currently playing. If they had HFA, they’d likely be playing in the Super Bowl. The problem is that the Niners were the one matchup that causes their offense problems and could beat them so badly on special teams. If you told me that a bye having Niners team was playing this weekend in NO, I’d give u a 50/50 chance for the reasons you saw Saturday.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

A team with a piss-poor playing secondary should not be assuming INTs

The GB fans must’ve been smelling their own cheese.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It's certainly possible

but the odds are against you. Eli’s not only great, but hot and focused at the moment.
I think maybe one pick. Zero is as likely as two.

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by Lady Kaede on Jan 18, 2012 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree

The 49ers get a lot of interceptions because they completely shut down the running game and end up getting a ton of passing attempts into consistent 4 man pressure. It’s not a fluke that they get interceptions.

I’d say zero is completely unlikely, 1 is very likely, and 2 is improbable, but not a long shot. They’ll go along side a bunch of 10-15 yard completions.

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

honestly, I think it will depend on the other side of the ball

If the Giants D has success, Eli will not be taking risks and will be much less prone to a turnover. If The niners are putting up points, he will press and the interceptions will probably come. That’s why I actually think the most important matchup of the game is giants D v. niners O, particularly in the first half. I dont think brees would have thrown 2 picks if the niners hadn’t gotten out to a 17-0 lead in the first quarter.

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by rich316 on Jan 18, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Eli is always risky to a certain degree

Pretty consistently averages an interception a game throughout his career and a fumble every other game..

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

That doesn't make much sense.

One of his picks was when it was 7-0. The other it was 17-14…

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by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah true, I didn't know the first one came at 7-0

I think you could make the argument for the 17-14 one, but who knows.

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by rich316 on Jan 18, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

No I understand what you're saying

There’s something to it, but I also think it is partially just his style, he makes some throws other QBs wouldn’t even think about trying.

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by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this premise

I can see Eli’s stat line being 24-45 387 yards 2 TDs 1 INT.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd guess closer to 25/40 310 2TD 1Int

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by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

That comment is.... Edggy :-)

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

How is the Giants specal teams looking?

I know Devin Thomas was making alot of bad decisions in the early games..IE Taking the ball out of the endzone and getting tackled at the 15. Is that still happening or did the Giants make a change? Also Tynes….does he have a big leg? Accurate? Get up for big games?

As everyone well knows the Niners have one of the best special teams units in football. Can’t beat the Akers and Lee tandem. If the Niners are missing Ginn that is a big hit for the return game, but Kyle Williams usually has sure hands. Who knows if its a wet day however. That could be a big key to the game if balls are on the ground all day from dropped punts.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 18, 2012 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

The Giants are decidedly average

Our coverages are average to decent…we don’t really let any big run backs occur. Steve Weatherford, IMO, is probably the 2nd or 3rd best P in the conference…he has a career high punt net of 39 yards and averaged something like 45-46 yards per punt. Lawrence Tynes is decidedly average. Nothing good or bad about him…he’s fairly accurate but you still feel nervous if the game is on the line. Our KR are okay, get to about the 25-30 most of the time. PR are atrocious. Average 2 or 3 yards per run back lol

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

And....

Kicker Tynes has had 1 FG either blocked or missed in each of the last four games, I believe. None of which was a pressure kick, as we have destroyed our competition, but it is something that has me concerned. But he did kick a 47 yarder in OT in GB to put us in the SB 4 years ago so I know he CAN make a kick of that distance, with the ultimate pressure. At least he was able to once.

One of my other biggest concerns is that you guys are so good on defense and ST’s and that may translate to alot of 80, 90 yard fields for the Giants to have to drive to get a TD. That makes life for an offense much more difficult.

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

To put it shortly

Our coverage team is decent to above average, and our return game is abysmal.

All things considered, I’d rather it be that way

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by Willgfass on Jan 18, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

***

than the reverse

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by Willgfass on Jan 18, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Justin Smith is a Stud

Who is the Giants DL/DE that is just as bad ass?

He takes his man, pushes him into the backfield, and grabs the QB. Justin seems to regularly have a defender in one hand and the QB in the other. Who does that?

by Critical Roach on Jan 18, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions  

That question is too easy.

Jason Pierre-Paul. If we were grading defensive players on a scale of 1-100, I’d put Justin Smith at a 99 and JPP at a 97. He routinely takes double teams on and destroys them. Vines for arms…he had 85 tackles…as a DE! Not to mention 16.5 sacks. As good as he is rushing the passer (and he’s damn near unstoppable), he’s equally as good at run defense. Most people try and avoid his side now. He, much like Justin Smith, can take over a game, and showed it in the 1st Dallas Cowboy game that we played.

In order to try and control him, he needs to be chipped, and then double teamed. He’s grown so much as a player, its unbelievable. It hasn’t gone unnoticed either. He’s a 1st team ProBowler and 1st team AP All Pro. He should be far and away the focus of your offensive coordinator.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you think Justin will get the double team?

I notice in the big moments he is 1 on 1 and that’s when the magic happens. Will the Giants give him the special attention?

by Critical Roach on Jan 18, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe not a constant double, but def a chip by the TE and Backs.

Dude scares the sh*t stains out of me.

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he see the play where he pushed Bushrod like he weighed like 100 lbs?

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

yes sir!

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That was my favorite play

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

JPP is a freaking beast

sometimes I wish he was on the Niners so him Aldon Smith and Justin Smith could play together. Then I come to my senses and want him even more…

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

honestly

I wish we had Aldon smith on the Giants.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

LMAO

I know I would…49ers got Justin in FA?

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Man I wish we had him

IMO…he’s a bigger meaner Tuck. Aldon is JPP and I don’t think they have an Osi

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Brooks is having a solid year ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, he was a FA

He spent his first 7 seasons in Cincinnati.

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by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

when did you guys get him?

this year?

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

2008

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by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

oh that long!

Well He’s a beast! damn, hit FA a year too early. We went after DTs heavy in FA in 2009.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

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by maculis on Jan 18, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea he is a beast. He’s been pretty consistent for the last 3 years too, but we weren’t winning so no one talked about him. He also has probably made more plays this year in clutch situations.

He doesn’t really show up in most statistics either, you have to watch him go to work.

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by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He actually got franchised by the Bengals in 2007.

He was that good even before we knew about him.

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by these3words on Jan 18, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Before each week opposing QBs come down with the flu...

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Jason Pierre-Paul

was my fave player in that draft. Always felt he was a steal, even at 15th overall (I think it was). Always had a great appreciation for how the Giants continue to draft defensive lineman and build from there. Two of the biggest young athletic freaks play on Sunday, Pierre-Paul and Aldon Smith. Aldon Smith has even longer arms than Pierre-Paul… both will be the premiere pass rushers in the league for the next decade.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 19, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that Eli's out with a stomach bug...

…are you guys comfortable having David Carr step up and lead the team against the Niners this Sunday?

(Not that any of us seriously believe Eli’s out for more than a day or so, and I’m kinda just teasing anyways)

But what happens if Eli’s out?!?!? Time to panic?

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by El Dorado on Jan 18, 2012 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

pretty much... if he is gone i dont know what we would do

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by JasonPierrePwned on Jan 18, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea It means time to panic

It’s not true so much anymore, in that the defense is playing decent now, but if Eli wasn’t playing this season, the team would have been a 2 maybe 3 win team. He’s been the anchor of the team

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by Willgfass on Jan 18, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

WE WANT CARR!

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 18, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

we should chant that beginning of the game

see how Eli Manning reacts

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Not wishing injury or illness on Eli at all

But that would be some ironic moment, Carr playing in a game that matters, at the Stick, versus Alex.

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by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Hope its not what my ol lady has

because she’s had it for a week now.!!

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Stomach bug?

Cause my freinds daughter has had the runs since Sunday.

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Eli better bring his Depends.

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by Troy O on Jan 18, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

for something this serious he might need "Oops I crapped my pants"

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by 49erLou on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

are you kidding?

we have JPP. he can throw the ball and catch his own pass from the line of scrimmage.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

ain't that the truth

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

And when the refs try to call the penalty, he jedi-mind-tricks them

“These are not the flags you’re looking for…”

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by rich316 on Jan 19, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Nahh

I mean, had he missed the season you wouldn’t be in the playoffs, but you guys are well coached and play defense.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Eli is not going to miss this game with two broken legs.

by Giantstep on Jan 18, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

WE WANT CARR

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

we would hire Rhett Bomar.

Boom. Giants 707, SF -3

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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 21, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

At first I was wondering how they would get 3 points

Then I saw the – sign.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

Every time I see them talk about the NFC Championship Game on TV and they mention the 49ers, I’m still like wait, the San Francisco 49ers? Like, the same 49ers that I root for?

I don’t think it ever really registered with me that’s what winning last weekend meant.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 6:09 PM PST reply actions  

LOL

These improbable runs are the best

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Been a while since we had such coverage on the Niners ...

… guess that’s what the play-offs will do for ya …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

And when the Niners last made it

There was no NFL Network. The coverage of playoffs team has gone way beyond what used to be.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 18, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Olineman.

Actually, there is an old man who calls into a NY sorts radio program in the morning. And sometimes he calls in drunk. But he always sounds pretty dim-witted, so the hosts F with him and they made up a fictitious Olineman; Bocchegaloop Jones, to mess with the old drunk.

It’s pretty funny to listen to.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I see you guys have Bear Pascoe on your team

is that the same Bear Pascoe that once played for the Niners?

"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Jan 18, 2012 7:12 PM PST reply actions  

It’s the other one.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

How many other Bear Pascoes are there?

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 18, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

LMASSSOFFFF

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 18, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He's funnin you ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup , thinkin' there's prolly only one person in the world named Bear Pascoe ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 18, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes it is

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like the 49ers according to alot of people in the media are going to kill us. Seems like according to some of the fans on this sight we shouldn’t even show up. I guess we will see. For some reason i just don’t feel like being friendly with 49er crowd. They seem a bit arrogant like packer fans. Not all of you of course but enogh for me to say this is my last post on this site for now until after Sunday’s game.

By the way teh Giants team defined phyiscal defense play back in teh day. We wil show you physical play. See if your line can hold up to the 4 headed dragon.

by Giantstep on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t know where you are getting your info, but you are way off base. The media doesn’t think the 9ers will kill you and neither do any of us.

You want to be mad at us fine, you want to make stuff up, fine. But don’t sit here and compare us to arrogant Packer fans, there’s no comparison to make.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I am sorry but if you watch anything on ESPN or NFL network it is niner this niner that. I am like there is another team in this game you know. Oh wait we get we the hottest team in the playoffs reference or the packers lost that game. It was the death of Philbon’s son or they were rusty. maybe just maybe our defense was so good in coverage it fustrated them. Not like we won it in conveincing fashion. I mean damn what do we have to do is shut someone out to get some recognition. I know sometimes as a fan base it is hard to see thorugh teh rose color glasses but man the media is on you guys liek white on rice. It getting a bit old. By teh way teh Giants can not play in teh rain if you did not hear the lastest on why we can not win.

by Giantstep on Jan 19, 2012 1:22 AM PST up reply actions  

That's not what I see at all...

But we both view the media as biased towards the other team. It’s a natural fan reaction – I do it, and please admit that you do it too. But I’ll cite specific people who say the Giants will win –
-Ross Tucker, host of ESPN’s Football Today podcast, says he doesn’t think the Niners have what it takes to hang with Eli.
-Matt Williamson and Jay Soderberg, on the same podcast, said that they were leaning Giants.
-Scott Van Pelt, Mike Golic, and Colin Cowherd are leaning Giants.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions  

That's just off the top of my head.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Inside NFL

Collinsworth and Simms picked NY. Three of the four No Huddle panel on NLN also picked NY (Deion, Theismann, and can’t recall the third). All the CBS Sports.com NFL people picked NY.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 3:23 AM PST up reply actions  

And Heinz Ketchup picked the Giants, I mean Heinz Field...WARD.

Poor attempt at humor, sorry. But I have to disagree with Giantstep as you guys are doing. From what I have seen, you get 4 analysts in a room to pick the game right now and you will get either 2 or 3 out of the 4 to pick the Giants.

One thing I will say is that when these guys are picking, most of them acknowledge that they think either team can win, as I haven’t seen any strong conviction from the “pickers.” I’ve seen a Niner team that is getting plenty of accolades and respect yet I think many of the analysts are leaning Giants, right or wrong, because of the QB position.

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 5:39 AM PST up reply actions  

6 of 8 ESPN "experts" picked NY

http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks/_/week/3

Last week, four of eight picked Saints and five of eight picked Packers.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

That scurs me

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 21, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Saints were the hottest team in the playoffs

By far. Until they came here. That was said last week more times than one could dare to count.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 3:20 AM PST up reply actions  

That title "hottest team in the playoffs"

was put squarely on the Giants. I know the Saints won 9 in a row to finish the season, but analysts didn’t give them that title because of their defensive ineptitude. The Giants, however, have been dominating on both sides of the ball.

They were given the “hotest” term, and “clicking on all cylinders,” “coming together in all three phases,” etc. Saints defense is just bad. Incomplete team and that is why they lost to a MORE complete team last Sunday.

Also, I don’t think any of you guys have been arrogant. I am enjoying the week of banter with you fellas.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 5:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Good enough to:

handle the Lions twice (in beat down fashion), Run through top defenses like Chicago and Houston, beat the $%& out of the Giants and merc the Falcons. Come on. Their defense wasn’t great but it wasn’t bottom feeder status like Green Bay.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

They're a completely different team at home...

Inside the dome. That’s a FACT ignored by you guys all along.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Ignored

Take a stroll through last week’s banter on this site. It was mentioned a bunch. Saints fans were in full throated disagreement.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

What?

We pointed to that all week with the Saints fans as a way to bring them down to earth and recognize the game would be close…they weren’t hearing it.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

go back and read our threads with Saints fans
They’re a completely different team at home…
Inside the dome. That’s a FACT ignored by you guys all along.

Saints fans were the ones ignoring that FACT, not us.

"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Jan 19, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Lol touche

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Most teams are better at home ....!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 19, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine, Da Who Dats

WERE the hottest team in the playoffs, I don’t care. They are on ice now, nice job SF. So is the now 15-2 candidate for Greatest Team Ever Worship At The Alter Of AR’s Packers. They are drowning in their Brie, thanks to the Giants.

About 10:00pm EST, 7:00pm Pacific, one of our teams will be the “hottest team in the playoffs.”

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Not is SF wins

That title will go to NE or Baltimore for beating Brady. I assure you that same suspects who icked the Saints last week and the Giants this week will pick the AFC team to win the SB. Which is fine by me. It feels very much like the SFG World Series run, where the east coast media showed their ingorance throughout the playoffs.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh you Left Coasters

with your “we get no respect” mantra. It may also have something to do with the makeup of your team.

Go look at the history of spreads in the playoffs and you will see less belief in teams that have great D, ST’s, and an inferior QB. I can atest to this personally with the Giants.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

No, it has more to do with east coast laziness

And the ignorant belief that the world stops at the Hudson. Makeup of the team? Those boring, conservative, defense dominated Giants teams were expected to win here in the playoffs following the ’’84 season (expecting a monumental upset), ’93 season (NY v Dallas III was presumed to be as assured as NO v GB this year) and ’02 (the hot Giants that nobody wants to play will win in SF). What causes such leaps of faith? A NY dominated media that goes to bed (I thought the city never slept?) before many of our games are completed, especially night games. Fans out west are more likely to know more about eastern teams than vice a versa.

As for “we get no respect.” It really only matters in college football since that sport is decided by computers. As for the pros, it means less coverage for our team this year and likely future years but so long as we win, it’s hillarious watching the “experts” find ways to talk around SF and give them false praise.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Precisely.

“NY Giants are HOT” is a myth. There’s no substance to it. I haven’t heard a single argument showing WHY they are so hot. I’m not saying they can’t beat the Niners, cuz I know they have the ability, but this preordained attitude from Giants players and media is insane.

What’s it based on? It’s just a hype machine trying to write the narrative before the game is even played, like if the Giants are destined for the SB (a media wet dream that is completed with a rematch against the Pats).

I am only asking to see EVIDENCE that the Giants are truly this HOT all of a sudden.. haven’t seen it yet.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

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And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

no but seriously

they beat decent teams recently. They soundly beat the Packers arguably one of the best teams in the NFL. They schooled the Falcons. And before the playoffs defeated quality opponents.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

the schooling of the Falcons

is the most convincing. They made them look like a high school team

by mcwagner on Jan 19, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously.

That’s your response?

They went 3-1 over the end of the reg season beating zero playoff teams and losing to the Redskins. Then they beat the Falcons at home for the wild card. Then the Packers self-destructed.

So that’s one solid game (against an inconsistent Falcons team) and now they’re the hottest team left?

If the Packers actually brought their A game (or B game or even C+ game) and the Giants won, I would’ve had a different attitude. But the Pack looked like hot garbage.

So the Giants are hot because they beat the Falcons.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

By that logic, the 49ers aren't a hot team either.

Week 14, you lost to the Cardinals.

Week 15, you had a good win over the Steelers, though Ben Roethlisberger had just suffered a sprained ankle and was in a walking boot. So OK.

Week 16, you barely beat the Seahawks 19-17.

Week 17, you gave up 27 points to the Kellen Clemens-led 2 win Rams, to beat them barely…34-27

Than you had a bye week, and squeaked by the Saints.

And again, as far as the Packers go, we forced a lot of turnovers and that was the reason we won the game. We won it more than we lost it, so you can’t just take that away as if it didn’t count and say “oh, they didn’t look like the same old Packers.” We were fourth in the league in takeaways, and 6th in turnover differential, so we ain’t exactly slackers in that department.

We’ve won our games against the Cowboys, Jets, Falcons, and Packers and lost against the Redskins. You’ve won against the Seahawks, Steelers, Rams, and Saints and lost against the Cardinals. I don’t see a huge difference there, and I’d say our victories have been more impressive than yours as of late.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

we sat our starters in the second half in the Rams game

we had a 21 point lead at half…

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You sat your starters on defense?

In any case, that would still go against the idea of being a “hot” team, no? sitting your starters is the exact opposite of what would constitute the idea of a hot team.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think we are that hot

but ya we sat our defensive starters

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Quieting down I see.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

me?

what are you talking about?

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

That's funny

I thought I was doing a good job fitting in with the new tone derived from the frustration of Niner fans having to deal with the “East coast bias and nobody is picking our team blues.”

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 20, 2012 6:05 AM PST up reply actions  

still makes no sense...

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

DOn't think anyone is blue about not being picked

We’re showing you how many are picking NY to counter the idea that the media is hyping up the Niners. Seems you boys are quite blue. I can only imagine how neurotic it got when you fell to 6-6 this season.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

We're not claiming to be the hot team

The Saints were the hot team, as we heard all last week. It was one of the primary arguments for why they would win. We’re now hearing the same thing in defense of the Giants when their resent play does not nearly match the “hottness” of the Saints or what makes a team “hot”. NY has played well the past four weeks; not out of their minds, not dominant (other than vs GB). Well. The Niners have as well. There are reasons to predict a NY win but their being the hot team is not one. It’s a fallacy.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There's been a smattering of people saying the 49ers are a "hot" team

I don’t know if was mr.instigator, but I wanted to prove that point.

I would disagree with you in that the Giants are indeed playing out of their minds. They’ve beaten their opponents by 15 points, 17 points, 22 points, and 17 points over the last four weeks. I’d have to say that pretty dominant. They were dominant over the Cowboys, Falcons, and Green Bay.

I agree with you in the matter that, being hot won’t matter for this game. I made that point to substantiate the reasons why we’d be referred to as hot, because mr. instigator claimed that we aren’t. That is false.

I think the biggest reason we beat you guys (if we do) is that we’re all healthy and finally playing and practicing together. Team chemistry should not be underestimated and the fact that they are all playing together for really the first time all season matters. I don’t know if you count that as being “hot” or not, but that’s what it is.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

IMO, beating two .500 non-playoff teams in your own stadium, the former with a poor QB, the latter with an injured QB, doesn’t equal hot to me.

I define hot as winning games against all teams in all locations, with a few wins over the better teams in the league, and playing well while doing so.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

We did that. We beat two 0.500 teams

and two playoff teams (one 10-6 and the other 15-1) and we beat those teams by an average of 18 points for a sample size of a quarter of a season….if that’s not hot, then I give up.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 20, 2012 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't consider a team that got 5 turnovers...

And still struggled to win at home a hot team either.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 20, 2012 7:07 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

It's moot at this point ..

… who’s hot and who’s not , neither team cares , this is going to be a great game and the Niners will nee those two picks from Eli to win this game …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 20, 2012 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly right...

Couldn’t agree more.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Again, Niners fans aren't saying we're hot

We’re saying NY does not fit the description. The Saints did and they were dismissed. Niners have been consistent and, to this point, have been the better team.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody is making the case

that the Niners are a hot team.

I’ve seen pundits and fans describe the NYG as “white-hot”.

SMH…

by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Hot...

The Niners have won 14 of 17 which is kinda hot…..but…the way they play will never lead anyone to call it “white hot”. The team isn’t built to win 50 pt shootouts. Or even 40 pt shootouts. It is built to keep the other team from scoring and scoring just enough to win. Winning ugly is the Niners way.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

About the Packers

Cuz I think it’s key. A blogger over at the Packers site said this:

“There were a lot of factors we can point to as to why the Packers lost yesterday: dropped passes, fumbles, missed opportunities, and Rodgers being very uncharacteristic and missing open guys.”

So that seems like the Packers were not the same 15-1 team. I saw the game and I’m not saying the Giants weren’t playing very good football. They were. It’s just impossible for me to deny that the Packers made a ton of unforced errors. Many people have observed this.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

it surprises me that a packers fan would be looking for excuses instead of crediting the giants.

Go Giants!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

by rich316 on Jan 19, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

he didn't finish

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

lol!

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Jan 19, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, the media wasn't lying when it said we were getting healthy at the right time.

Michael Boley, our best LB, got injured in our week 10 clash, got limited reps all the way in week 15 and finally got regular snaps starting week 16.

Ahmad Bradshaw started finally getting healthy around week 12-13.

Jake Ballard had been injured for quite some time with a sprained PCL and finally got back to the lineup right after week 17.

Starting at week 15 or 16 was the first time all season we had a fully healthy trio of Manningham-Cruz-Nicks. Nicks had been bothered by a hamstring and had missed a game, and still felt the effects of it after and sat out plays during games. Manningham missed 3 or 4 games and came back in the last two weeks of the regular season.

Prince Amukamara finally started playing near week 12, but needed a few weeks to get acclimated. He’s finally healthy and contributing to a CB corps that’s had injuries up the wazoo. Week 16 marked the first time we had a healthy starting corps of Rolle-Phillips-Webster-Ross-Prince.

And…perhaps most importantly, it was the first time all season we had a healthy Osi (who had a high ankle sprain and was out since week 8 or 9; came back in week 16), a healthy Tuck (multiple neck and groin injuries caused him to miss time in the middle of the season and miss practices until week 15) to go along with a healthy Jason Pierre-Paul. That’s friggin’ huge.

We have been decimated by injuries for the majority of the regular season, but for the past three weeks, the only person not practicing was our backup MIKE, Mark Herzlich and even he’s back and ready to go. First time all year the entire team is this healthy.

Combine that with the fact that we BEAT our last four opponents (with two of them being playoff teams) by an average score of 18 points, and it isn’t hard to see why they would classify our team as being a “hot” team. We haven’t just been beating teams, we have been blowing them out.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That's playing well, not hot

Saints were hot, playing better than anyone. Everyone else is in the same boat.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd define "hot" as setting a trend for most of the season

and then completely going over and beyond what that trend was for a period of time. The saints were always playing this well. The fact that they played the way they did was nothing unexpected. It was for the Giants, for the past 4 weeks, it shocked everybody.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

They weren't always playing well

Early, they lost to the Bucs and Rams, and nearly lost to Atlanta. Last tow months they dismantled the Lions twice, Giants once, and won against a near playoff team in Tennessee. They blew out some bad teams and had the QB who was playing the best over the final six weeks.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

At least with the Saints there was legitimacy as to how hot they were. It did scare me having to play a team that was clicking so well (not to mention won the SB two years ago). The Saints offense was playing at another level.

It just really irritating that all we seem to hear about is how hot the other team is. The Niners STILL get very little love in terms of expectations. It’s nearly impossible to talk about who will win this game without hearing how hot the Giants are. Fact is, they really aren’t. Maybe the correct word everyone is searching for is “healthy”.

by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Better would be that after the Niners defeat these hot teams, that they are given some credit instead of focusing on why the “hot” or “nearly unstoppable” team did wrong.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

121-50

Those are the combined scores of the last 4 games. It’s called dominating the competition. That qualifies as making a team hot. I didn’t realize I needed to point this out.

Now that you have SOME evidence, move along to your next argument; “But the Giants didn’t play anybody good.”

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Good to see you understand that!

The only truly good team was the Packers. But we all saw how crappy they looked. Any playoff team SHOULD drop a bomb on non-playoff teams, especially when they are in the Giants’ shoes, fighting for their playoff life.

Cowboys twice and Jets? C’mon! And getting creamed by the Redskins? C’mon!

by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Just remember to

send honorary rings to the eagles when you “win” the superbowl

by AK49e on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't think they're arrogant?!

Go check out the prediction fan post. Most of them picking double digit victory.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

that might be just for fun.

But I will check it out. As far as when these guys are “talking” to us, I have seen mutual respect on the threads that I’ve been on.

And I have the Eagles and Packers fans to compare these guys to. No comparison in my experiences.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

At least a few of those are clear jokes. For the most part people are picking a one score game.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

that's for fun

not something that most take seriously

"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Jan 19, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

My prediction..

Lets go with the score of last game 27-20 Niners.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

double digit victory

leading by a field goal and picking off an interception during desperation time that gets taken back. Not arrogant.

by mcwagner on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok lets do our own right now ...

Niners 24 – Giants 23 …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 19, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps that was the word back est

But every national writer or talking head that I recall spoke about the Saints as the best team in the league, or second behind GB while being the hottest. Their 9 gmae win streak was filled with blowouts. 40+ point games from their offense, and a QB that had eleveated himself into the MVP talk which Rodgers had previously wrapped up. They beat playoff teams (Lions twice, destroyed the Giants and Falcons) whereas NY had won four straight with only one good (or playoff) team in that bunch. Combine that with their being two years removed as SB winner and the stars seemed aligned.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

From what I heard,

when the analysts and writers and whoever talked about the Saints and their run, there was always the caveat about home and away. Like if the Saints get to play at home no one will beat them. But going to SF, or having to go to GB and the outcome will likely be different.

When describing the Giants, I heard that they could win anywhere.

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but then why were the Saints

FAVORED to win in SF? The FACT is, the majority of pundits thought the home/away anomaly with the Saints didn’t matter.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that had more to do with not believing in SF, maybe?

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Combination of...

The Saints were seen as the greatest (and, FWIW, hottest) team in the playoffs, with a high-powered offense that was seemingly unstoppable. Meanwhile, the Niners were seen as the team that was lucky to get in with the first year head coach playing in the worst division in football (misconception 1) and the game manager QB (misconception 2), in a league where QB is everything (misconception 3).

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

This all makes sense

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

One media meme was that the Niners were the better team to beat the Packers in GB but drew the short straw in playing the Saints, a team that was now playing better than the Packers, but would likely be unable to win in the cold of Wisconsin.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. I can't believe we are watching the same channel.

They have 3 live reports a day from Giants headquarters. I’ve seen Hakeem Nick’s WR gloves like 6 times today. My impression is at least 2 times as many Giants’ items as niners items, and the majority of analysts picking the underdog road team. Is it really that dependent on perspective?

by CK on Jan 19, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think..

both teams have some great players. When you get this much talent out on the field anything can happen. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Giants won, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Niners won. Just a matter of who wants it more. Because the Niners have wanted it more 14 other times this season, we as Niner’s fans, believe in the mental strength of our team. Just as I am sure you believe the same about your Giants. When it comes to football, we all become homers. Its just how it is.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Wanting it more is a big part

of the emotional health of a team. Add in confidence, and cohesion. Trusting your teammates and wanting to perform for them.
Add in health as a big factor as well because I watched my Giants struggle to keep it together most of the season, being carried by Eli through much of it, only to get healthy at the right time. We are now seeing what the GM and coach envisioned this team to be and health has been a major factor.

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 5:48 AM PST up reply actions  

You sound like a guy with a written headline in search for a non-existant story

Starting with your last point, the Giants are far from the only team that defined physical play “back in the day.” You may note that during those days, the 49ers won 5 SBs and the Redskins 3 SBs. You don’t accomplish that without being the more physical team.

Next, if you “just don’t feel like being friendly with 49er crowd” you got off the bus at the wrong stop.

Lastly, it would help if you had accurate info: the media, especially those from back east (which is the majority), have an opinion that ranges from “this game is a toss-up and could go either way” to “NY is the most balanced team in the entire league with the hottest QB and will win the game.” The humor in this is that if you flipped the script of these two teams (a 9-7 SF team that was outscored in the reg season while playing in an average division, traveling to a 13-3 NYG team with the best defense & special teams in the NFL and perhaps the most physical team) we’d hear all week from the same media about how the Niners have no chance traveling across country for such a matchup. This comes with the territory of playing a NY team.

You may not be old enough to recall but these types of heavy pro-NY mantras were heard in the media before the playoff games in January of ’85, 94, and ’03. In each case, we were led to believe that a NY team that had a worse record and/or had lost to SF in the reg season was now the better team or ripe to pull an upset. The search to match those headlines to a story remained unfulfilled.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 3:19 AM PST up reply actions  

i dont recall them 9er teams as being very tough , maybe only Lott.

but that’s just IMO .

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by Troy O on Jan 19, 2012 6:56 AM PST up reply actions  

go check out their defensive ranks

they were tough.

Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder

by whistlingmountain on Jan 19, 2012 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

i recall . i just a youngster learning the

Game, but the 9ers were my 2nd team . I felt the Cowboys to be the tougher team even. And when I say tough , I mean both sides of the ball.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

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by Troy O on Jan 19, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Gotta disagree strongly here Troy.

I am old enough to have seen those teams.

Because of the dominance of the offense, and the passing game in particular, it overshadowed a fierce, physical defense. Guys like Lott, Fahrnsworth, Turner, Hicks, Reynolds. All tough bastids. They were an awesome defense.

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe because I have the lasting impression of Bavaro giving Lott and 1/2 the SF D a lift 15 yds down field

I dont think They had any intimidating force on O, unless u include Rathman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pssDR0ERnw

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by Troy O on Jan 19, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Better the image of Lott nearly killing Bavaro twice in the 1990 MNF game

Bavaro draggin some guys is no more physical than Craig running over Giants defenders or Taylor smacking DBs around downfield.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

proof?

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

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by Troy O on Jan 19, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

He wants to argue everything is the impression I'm getting

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

If you didn't watch then

I can help you, but it would explain your hanging on to one clip you’ve seen of Bavaro.

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We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions  

IAt my age i have a bit more then that one clip. trust me.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

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by Troy O on Jan 20, 2012 1:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Then your need for proof is quite silly

Or have you just forgotten a lot?

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

refreash my memory!

sorry , old man.

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by Troy O on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Bavaro draggin some guys is no more physical than Craig running over Giants defenders or Taylor smacking DBs around downfield.

well that’s just silly.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

blockquote fail!

it’ll never be truth now…shucks.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about

If you mean this one, the cheap shot late hit that ended up hurting your own guy and Bavaro got up right after, I’d say dragging 9,000 guys is much more impressive.

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by Willgfass on Jan 21, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheap and late? Haha

And they said East teams were supposed to be physical.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 22, 2012 3:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Ehhh

I looked at it again and it wasn’t as cheap as I thought.

My point still stands, Bavaro got right up after it. Tough dude

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
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The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
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by Willgfass on Jan 22, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

No denying his toughness

Then, or at any point in his career.

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We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 AM PST up reply actions  

An opinion of one

FWIW, here are 49er head to head records with the three beasts of the east during that time:

SF v NYG 1980 – 1990 (9-4) – full decade.
SF v WAS 1981 – 1992 (8-2) – the Gibbs years
SF v DAL 1981 – 1988 (4-0) – the Walsh vs Landry years.
SF v CHI 1983 – 1991 (5-3) – the Ditka years.

My personal favorite moment is after the ‘88 Niners won the NFC Championship game in below zero wind chill Chicago, Keena Turner referencing the supposed "finess ass 49ers came into Chicago in Bear weather and kick the Bears’ ass."

It sounds like you bought the foollish “physical v finesse” hype. The Niners were a very physical team that also had the smarts to out scheme people. They got this physical attitude from Coach Walsh, himself a former boxer who believed in landing the first punch. Another fallacy from that era was the the Giants didn’t have a good passing game. Though not as beautiful as that of SF or as complex as the Redskins’, they were quite discipined and Simms won more than a few games on his arm.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That third paragraph is awesome.

I’ve seen plenty of Giants fans predict a blowout ANYWAY. Can you imagine if a 9-7 SF team with a negative scoring differential coming out of the weakest division in the conference was traveling to a 13-3 NYG team with the best turnover differential in the league? There would be none chance given to the Niners.

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by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

After watching said 9-7 team KILL

A 15-1 team the week before I’d give a little more respect. Especailly if my QB was Alex Smith.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 10:23 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Not really my point.

I’m not dismissing the Giants. But I am agreeing with Spurred that the media likely would dismiss the Niners if the situations were reversed.

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by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Half the 9er roster doesn't have a ring already..

And their QB isn’t a SB MVP. They are a cinderella story. They have to prove themselves a few times in the postseason or a few seasons life this to fully get taken seriously. Look at us, we have hardware and still get zero respect. That’s how it is.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Good points

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree...

I just don’t get the ‘no respect’ part, at least this week. Even last week, you were such a trendy pick that after the Packers got 6.5 in NY against you in the regular season, they only got 7.5 AT HOME. That’s normally a 6 point swing.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah the Giants

getting no respect this year is gone. It mostly went away before the GB game and is completely gone now. Everyone knows the team is very good.

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Respect

NYG went 9-7. There’s your answer.

This is borderline ludicrous. How can you say “we get zero respect”? Fact is the NYG are getting more respect than your average 9-7 team. Hence the “hottest team” hype.

Try going 13-3 and being the underdog every game. At home.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

They proves they're better than 9-7

And records get thrown out in the playoffs anyway. That 13-3 record means as much as our 9-7…nothing. We were 12-4 and the number one seed in 08 and where did that get us? 07 we’re the last seed and win it all. Fear the lower case ny and when the game is over if the outcome isn’t what you expected you won’t be so shocked.

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Enough teams in convincing enough fashion.

NFCCG participant. That’s all I care about.

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I get that. That's really all that matters

But if we’re debating strength of a team, and how supposedly hot a team is, who they played and how they played DOES matter. That’s the point. Nobody’s debating whether NYG should be at this point, cuz they obviously deserve to be here.

Question is, with all this talk about how “HOT” the NYGs are, how much is hype, how much is reality? Basically, I am trying to figure out if the Giants are really rollin’ like that or if maybe their recent success has been overblown. That’s all.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I find nothing about the Giants last 3 opponents

or the final scores to raise any doubts about anything. Qualifing the Giants opponents at this point is pointless, IMO. There is nothing to qualify.

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not?

What if the Niners beat the Saints but Drew Brees got knocked out of the game on the first play? You don’t think people would be trying to qualify that win? Damn right they would be. And deservedly.

If the Giants/Fans/Media want to claim that this is a hot team that’s on a roll, all I ask is to qualify it.

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You'll just have to find somebody else to do so.

I’m not interested.

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

no because it's a really silly argument

and i would hope that Will’s quality ask a Giant fan segment not devolve into ridiculous bickering anymore. we’ve had some quality questions and info passed along on these threads, and i really don’t want it to get sidetracked.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It's silly to claim a team is hot

and then ignore evidence or refuse to present an argument why said team is actually hot.

tommy d:

I find nothing about the Giants last 3 opponents or the final scores to raise any doubts about anything.

Well I disagree. Isn’t that the point of this discussion? To talk about different viewpoints?

All I’m asking for is a quality perspective from NYG fans about why the team is so much more improved from earlier in the season. The 9—7 record speaks to mediocrity. But obviously there’s more that just a record. Help me understand why the Giants are such a new team come playoffs.

by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

well i think Tommy was prolly just sick of talking about it

and i’ve never claimed us to be hotter or not hotter, it just seemed to get to the agree to disagree point after awhile.

as for the hottest team, us or the Saints? well, gun to my head, i’d say us…because we’re still winning. :)

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by wilddre22 on Jan 20, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

if your team did the knocking out of Mr. Brees?

then it’s all gravy, and part of the game. no qualifying would be necessary.

last year we knocked about 6 or 7 QB out of a game. and no one qualified that win, because how can you? QB X was healthy at opening kick off, his ass got blasted on the 5th play, now QB X is out. and his team’s ass is kicked.

and at this point, who really gives a damn about who’s the hottest team? this is almost a ridiculous argument at this point. we’re all hot enough to be one game away from the super bowl.

and that’s what counts.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't have as much to do with either team as some of you think

Every year it seems like some team that squeaks into the playoffs gets hot and gets to a championship game. The media is just riding the giants with that storyline this year, and doubly so because they did it a few years ago. That’s all the media cares about: storylines. They don’t care about who they attach their talking points to, they don’t have biases, they don’t have teams they “love” and teams they “hate.” That’s all figments of a fan’s imagination. They just care about telling stories, and the giants this year happen to fit into a tried-and-true storyline.

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by rich316 on Jan 19, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter.

There are some here who have donned their argument at all cost hats and will plow ahead regardless…

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true at all

The media does have favorites, if only because they want to capitalize on the more populated East Coast. If it was just about stories, the Niners probably have the absolute best storylines. And sure, the media will tell them, but it’s trumped by the narrative they want to paint about a potential NYG-NE SB rematch (think about how many easterners would love that matchup).

by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I dunno, the NFL ESPN front-page picture on the SB matchups is of the Harbowl

That being said, I can understand the argument of the East-Coast bias. More people live there, and most national media empires are based in the northeast. I’m not sure if it’s true, I’ve only heard anecdotal evidence and I just moved to the west coast so I don’t have lifelong experience of noticing it, but it does make some sense.

Lemme clarify what I meant about storylines, though. The media needs “hooks” to hang their stories on, as in something that has already happened before. They want to be able to tell the same story over and over again, and just say “Look! It’s happening again!” The Giants are what’s happening again. The Niners are an incredible story, I’ve heard a bit more of it than most Giants fans because I always turn on 680 KNBR when I’m in the car and listen to sports radio. What harbaugh has done, Smith’s rehabilitation, the defense, it’s all pretty inspiring stuff. But it’s new; the niners were so bad for so long that the media doesn’t really know how to talk about it, and it hasn’t really happened before, either. When was the last time this happened? I can’t think of a situation where a team went from worst to first so dramatically, on the back of a QB who was left for dead for 7 years and a defense that pretty much took the same players and went from porous to lock-down (obviously with a few key additions like bowman and rogers). You might still disagree, but that’s what I meant about storylines.

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by rich316 on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a good story, but (as you pointed out) it's a hard sell

Assuming that the Patriots win, a Patriots-Giants Super Bowl would be so much easier for ESPN. Brady! Manning! Revenge! Boston! New York!

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by El Person on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually the Niners have done this before

6-10 to 13-3 SB Champs. They even beat a 9-7 Giants team in the regular season and playoffs, both at Candlestick. They were lead by a coach that was hired from Stanford. This is the 30 year anniversary of that team. Sounds like a damn good story to me.

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We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 20, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for bringing it around to my point about perspective.

The Niners have won every single “measuring-stick” game they’ve had this year. Iggles on the road early in the year? W. Against the 5-0 Lions on the road? W. Can’t beat the Steelers on MNF. W. Won’t match up with the red-hot Saints. W.

How can the team that was clearly superior during the regular season, playing at home against a team they’ve already beaten be considered a cinderella story?

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Disagree

We lost to the Ravens, which was a measuring stick game. That said, we were traveling cross-country on short rest.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

True.

That was one I would have liked to have won, but yeah going east on the short week was a pretty mitigating circumstance, and then the officials didn’t do them any favors either.

But to be 4-1 in measuring stick games with the one loss coming to another team in the championship rounds sounds pretty good to me.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

That actually wasn't

That was the “free swing, house money” game, played on a holiday as the first team in nearly 40 years to travel three time zones to play a road game on three days rest. If we had won, awesome. But having only one loss at the time and with it being a non-conference game, we could lose and it wouldn’t cost us the division or #2 seed. Which is exactly how it played out.

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We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

lack of playoff resume/experience

in the HC, QB, and team overall. You are not unique in this. Not even close.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much a combination of this...

And the fact that most analysts still can’t get used to a. seeing a defense-first, non-explosive team advancing this far and b. the NINERS advancing this far. If the Niners had made the playoffs last year but with entirely different coaches and a completely different roster, then this year happened, we wouldn’t be as big of a cinderella story.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, and comments here like this:

After watching said 9-7 team KILL a 15-1 team the week before I’d give a little more respect. Especailly if my QB was Alex Smith.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Reply fail

That’s supposed to be to your ESPN forum comment.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Just friendly banter...

Don’t get your panties in a bunch.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:37 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm not trippin man

We were just talking about people expecting Alex Smith to be the Alex Smith he’s always been, and your comment was a solid illustration of that.

Of course, I put it in the wrong place, confusing everything, so LOLME.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I know what it's like to have to defend your QB...

You do remember mine is Eli right?! The most scrutinized QB of all time. You’d think he was Tebow.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I'll never forgive Eli

For that Minnesota game a while back. Killed my fantasy squad.

But yeah, totally know what you mean. Eli’s good.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Only one good thing came from that game....

I met the guy I use for tickets every home game. Other than that…awful day!

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Hey, silver linings all around.

You know why Eli threw all those balls to Cruz? He was trying to make it up to my fantasy team. So…you’re welcome.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was Romo?

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Playoff inexperience has not been a hinderance in recent years

The current NFL does not play our as it did in the 80s and 90s.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Cowboys who the giants swept.

by Giantstep on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

1 ring buys you respect. If Eli didn’t have a ring I would fear him much less. I know he can perform in the clutch, in the playoffs, in the biggest game and on the biggest stage. For Alex Smith its just conjecture. Who knows how he will perform on Sunday or on Feb 4(?)? I think Harbaugh would be able to keep him calm and collected, but until it happens I think we all will be sitting on the edge of our seats.

So yeah…that is what a SB ring buys you…..respect and trust.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

You were playing a team that had rings - and they lost at home

In ’08 you were the team with rings playing one without – and lost at home.

Being a prior SB champ doesn’t get one very far in the current NFL (look at Brady’s playoff record since ‘07; or the Giants’; the Packers this year. The Saints the past two years. The Steelers have actually held themselves together so perhaps the lesson is that in the NFC, it’s better to be the hungry team than the been there-done that squad.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

our weakness is our strength

Put it this way – lets say on the first play of each teams series, the DLs knock the starting QBs out of the game. So no Eli and no Alex. You still think you have the edge?

[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM

by zenbitz on Jan 19, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I would be worried,

until the meteor fell on your bench and then I would regain confidence.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

You mean, I would be worried,

until the earth shook and our bench fell into the ground.

I mean, get it right. :p

Harbaugh -- "We're not into answering questions"

by Critical Roach on Jan 19, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

That is really tough. I have full confidence that Carr wouldn’t do jack, but we really have no idea what Kaep would do in that situation.

Then again I’d say the 9ers win just because of the run offense/defense.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Kaep may do OK

As Giants are susceptible to QB runs it seems, and Kaep got some serious wheels. Could be a Tebow like affair (except Kaep throws a better ball).

by Mindless on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't read too much into Rodgers running success

it’s not like they will play the same defense vs. the Niners (Kaep or Smith)

[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM

by zenbitz on Jan 20, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

KILL??

More like Kevorkian (assisted suicide)!!!

by mr. instigator on Jan 19, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Or

After watching a 13-3 team defeat the hottest and arguable best team in the league, a team with the best defense and special teams, great coaching staff who also happens to be playing at home, perhaps they are due a bit more respect than “it’s been a great season and they could win but I’ll take the 9-7 that already lost to them.” Reverse the situation and you’d be throwing a full no respect tantrum.. and you’d have some good reason.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

anyone predicting a blow out on either side…. Shouldn’t.

And if Sunday has a blowout, than well the team deserved it

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see a blowout

But it’s way more likely to be a close game to the last 5-6 minutes.

by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

yes

this is because there are plenty of idiots who say “13-3 lots better than 9-7 HUR DUR”.

The reality of it is, the Giants are a fine team and neither team is a unstoppable death steam roller from hell (those teams both lost last week!). The Niners have home field, and should win a close game.

The 49ers haven’t “killed” any half decent team this year. They have won their share though.

Your DL is great – and they will certain knock Alex Smith around… but so what. Dude’s been sacked 48 times in about 500 drop backs and we STILL won 14 games. The Niners are not a team (say call them the Been Gray Crackers) who live and die with the passing game, so you can shut down the mighty Alex Smith AND STILL LOSE. Now, the Ravens defense DID maul the Niners bad enough to win the game by themselves. I don’t think even the robotically enhanced NYG playoff defense is as good as the Ravens at home with only a 4 day break.

Like any close game it’s going to come down to execution and turnovers and lets hope to God-dell that the referees stay out of it.

[Poorly Wrought THING] is what Brian Sabean would have made if he were a [THING-maker] instead of a MLB GM

by zenbitz on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Robotically enhanced?

What the hell does that mean?

And I think there is a real possibility of the Giants defense being the most dominant unit on the field Sunday that takes over the game. Watch them key on VD and the run game and shut it down. A smart gameplan will be to force Smith to beat us with a less than impressive WR group.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I think in a game this close...

Any unit could be the one that takes over. Yes, even the much-maligned Niners offense.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I would even go so far as to say "overly-maligned."

Fans still expect Alex Smith to turn back into a pumpkin for their game. He is what he is under Harbaugh at this point. No reason to expect him to all of a sudden revert.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Do they, though?

I know I don’t. He has put up an entire season of 60% passing, accuracy, alot more TD’s than INT’s, and just engineered two game winning drives last week. ALL I have heard is how Smith is now playing QB like a #1 overall pick. I haven’t heard ANYONE talk about him reverting to the QB he was a year ago.

Everyone has seen it for an entire season. If he played poorly early in 2011, we would definitely be hearing that, but he did not, so we are not. Let it go….

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

You are more informed than the general public.

I’m not sure if this is more true, or if it is more true that the ESPN forums are just WAY dumber than the general public, but I’ve been checking out those forums and every non-Niner fan seems to think Alex Smith sucks. I’d tend to go with the ‘we are more informed’ explanation.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I never go on ESPN

I was warned by my fellow BBVers that it is occupied by the very idiots you are describing.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

The ESPN forums...

You will never find a more wretched hive of misinformation and trolling. We must be cautious.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm fine with these SB Nation sites

I think if any of the guys you are describing came ‘round these parts, they wouldn’t last long, intellectually.

(tooting our collective horns)

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I see a few of those types of people...

But in general, they are on the low end of the intelligence spectrum on SB Nation. We are in general a much smarter community about sports. Especially the Baseball forums… on McCovey Cove you actually get laughed out of the forum for mentioning RBI.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL for the RBI comment. :-)

But yes, we get some…." winners" here too. I don’t think they last too long.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Reading ESPN and Yahoo! comments

Can either make me laugh hysterically or just feel incredibly depressed for the state of humanity. Hooray for SBN.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Earlier in the season

we had a few “Comedy Threads” where people would post the comments from these other sites. Hilariously misinformed comments. We had ALOT of fun with them, voting for comment of the day, stuff like that.

You couldn’t imagine the ridiculousness of some of it. Like how we need to get a better GM in Free Agency. lol

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I love reading other team's sites.

Sometimes they’re wildly entertaining (check out the AFC south eternal thread at BattleRedBlog) but I find them to be invaluable fantasy resources.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

there you go...

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

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by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

i have some hope and realistic expectation that it will be the Giants D

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Sigh

Who cares?

I’m not a moderator or anything, but I do this to enjoy the banter.

If any fellow Giant fan reads something on an opposing site that makes you think they’re being superior or something, just give a Tom Brady doucebag laugh and carry on.
Then continue being respectful and answer some good questions.

If you can’t refrain from putting character attacks on rival fans (deserved or not), this isn’t the thread for you (not you in particular, but “you people”)

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

We have site decorum on this site. Therefore obscene phrases like ‘Tom Brady’ or any reference to said obscenity are strictly forbidden.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 19, 2012 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Good one. What about Kurt Warner?

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

His wife would get very angry

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 19, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, he's fine by me

I actually have a ton of respect for Warner. Especially after seeing what happened to the Cards once he retired, obviously there were other factors involved, but still…

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 19, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Tough SOB that Warner.

he could stand there and deliver the ball knowing he was going to get killed as well as any QB I have ever seen. Perfect QB for Mike Martz’s system

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Kurt Warner is fine.

But don’t ever mention He Who Shall Not Be Named. You know, the old guy who played like 50 years in the league. His name rhymes with “Frett Barve”.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 20, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

HEY!

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Sigh.

"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh

by mikeinsp on Jan 20, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

sigh...

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 4:45 AM PST reply actions  

tell me about it

Time seriously slows down before the big game. One of us will go to the SuperBowl and have the two week stretch to wait. As much as I want our team to win, that long of a wait is killer.

by mcwagner on Jan 19, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I know...

IF the giants make it there, I’m just gonna have to resolve to cut myself off from football for a week, or else it’ll be a looong wait.

Go Giants!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

by rich316 on Jan 19, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Thread over at BBV is dead

someone should change the timestamp on the fanpost over there to put it back

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

Go rec'd it

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

recs doesn't help

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Can someone explain this lowercase ny thing?

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

Have you seen the sides of a Giants helmet?

That is the logo. Fear the lower case ny! (Don’t have that pic that usually gets put up in this spot)

Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.

by CCE718 on Jan 19, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This is something upon which

Giant fans and Niner fans can always agree.

"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug

by the guy on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No matter what happens in this game...

No matter how much we hate each other afterwards… we’ll always have our mutual hate of the Cowboys.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

yes.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell, I can agree on hating every other NFC East team, the Giants are the only one I’ve ever been able to stand…though I suppose hating the Redskins at this point is somewhat futile. Too many friends to make fun of for me though!

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 19, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Is your name geographically accurate?

And if so is it Northern Virginia? I’m a new commenter here but am a die-hard niner fan living in Arlington the past 2 years? I usually just head down the street and watch the niners at the local sports bar, but am wondering if there’s a better place for niner fans. Any recommendations are welcome.

by CK on Jan 19, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

I’m a little further out in Herndon. Usually when I go out it is the same kinda deal, just a local bar with some friends, who have other teams and we can catch a couple games. Also, since I have season tickets at UVa, I’ll often stay down in Cville (hometown) and catch the 9er games with my cousin and his 6 year old son on Sundays. It’s always fun to watch with them.

There is a place in DC called Town Tavern that is a 9ers bar. Pretty decent from what I remember. I believe I saw it first posted on one of the Sports Bar threads here actually. I went to one game last year or the year before I think? I was just never up for heading into DC every Sunday. I’d imagine it would be nuts this weekend though. Sadly I have an obligation from 2-7 on Sunday (hoping to get out early enough to catch everything) so I’ll likely be watching at home.

Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh

by Virginia9er on Jan 19, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been to the Town

I’m not going there this game – too superstitious. The only other game I’ve watched there was game 3 of the 2010 World Series – since that was the only game the SF Baseball Giants lost that whole series I think I’ll stay away until the games aren’t as important.

by CK on Jan 19, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed screw the cowgirls

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to sound like a dick

but to all my BBV peeps here, just a suggestion, but please don’t jump down the throats of the SF fans here (nobody is, just want to pre-empt it because it might head that way lol) for them think that they’re going to “stomp us” or if they are “arrogant” or whatever (to my SF peeps, y’all aren’t but some comments could be perceived that way by my brethern)…cause just remember, its their site, and they are entitled to it.

We are guests here so the onus is on us to be respectful, so if you see someone saying they will destroy the Giants or whatever, please ignore it or politely debate them on why they think so (which y’all are). There are homers in every fanbase, and there are plenty of people at BBV saying we’ll stomp the Niners. Its a different story if they come on to BBV without respect (which hasn’t happened except maybe that one dude jviet or whatever), but this is NinersNation. They’re allowed to be “arrogant” here :)

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 11:55 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I did.

Got a lot of panties in a bunch. :)

by Mindless on Jan 19, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I did , and turned everything into a very nice tint of Green ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 20, 2012 5:01 AM PST up reply actions  

word to this.

Go Giants!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

by rich316 on Jan 19, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I should have kept reading

You said what I did better.

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

oops! too late

i’ll preface my future rebutts by saying this then: whatever i say, will be meant only to that poster, not to all of NN.

sorry BBI, but i won’t let certain stuff slide. just like i wouldn’t at BGN, GGN, BtB, or anywhere else. you know i don’t get straight up disrespectful with it tho, but what has to be said, has to be said.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course. Just be respectful about it. I see a lot of hypocrisy with us. Over at BBV, some people

jump down other people’s throats for the only reason that they aren’t a Giants fan. If they say something contrary to popular opinion over there, instead of debating in a friendly matter, they just kick ‘em off the site. That’s all. So be respectful to peeps on their own site, all I’m saying.

Plus, saying stuff like on other people’s sites like, oh yeah, you guys are arrogant and stuff….what exactly does that accomplish? Nobody in their right mind is going to admit and say, “sorry, we are arrogant”…..it just ends up fueling the fire and pissing off people that are actually here that want to talk football and debate.

It most certainly isn’t you, dre… you’d be the poster boy for who I’d point out to as someone debating with class. its not anyone in particular, but it does happen lol.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah i tiptoe the line sometimes! hehe

but my SB record is still clean, no bannings, or warnings even. so i’m maintaining a certain amount of respect.

but yeah i get what you’re saying, there is some hypocrisy afoot at times with us.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 20, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

haha jerk!

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 21, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

see mcwagner

i was gonna follow you on twit, making it an even 270. now, forget it! hehehehe

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 21, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a troll by any means yet I'm banned...

From Eagles, Jets and Chargers sites. Unbelievable!!

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 21, 2012 1:02 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

obvious troll missing the obvious?

;)

j/k home skillet.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Jan 21, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

No warnings?

Even I’ve been warned once!

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 21, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Vic Fangio is speaking...

http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/live-video.html

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Eli still sick?

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

no. full practice.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

shoot

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell me more about the less known Giant DLinemen

I am very familiar with Tuck, Osi and JPP. To a lesser extent familiar with Kiwanuka. Despite the fact that commentators drool all over themselves thinking about the few times that all 4 of these guys are on the field together, I understand that this happens very rarely. There must be a reason for the other guys to be playing ahead of this lineup.

How good is Chris Canty? Joseph? Tolofson, is that his name? There are others I’m sure. What do they do well? What do they do poorly? How does the rotation work? It seems like against a run-heavy gameplan the less famous DTs actually might be more important than the superstar DEs – would the Big Blue View agree?

by CK on Jan 19, 2012 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

Good question. Our DTs are the ones that make everything click. They're less heralded, but they are an integral

piece of the line.

You’ll sometimes see the NASCAR package on 3rd and long or other obvious passing situations. That’s the line you were referring to, with Kiwanuka and Osi at DE, and JPP and Tuck at DT. I HATE THAT FORMATION.

The reason being is that our two starting DTs, Chris Canty and Linval Joseph are big dudes. Canty is 6’8 315 and Linval Joseph is 6’6 330. They are good pass rushers for their size and what they do is take on two or more linemen. That virtually assures a 1 on 1 matchup with our edge-rushers…which is virtually a mismatch for almost anybody in our favor. If you leave one person on one of the DTs, they’ll be able to collapse the pocket, and go on the attack themselves.

Their one weakness is that if you can get a good push on them at the snap, they’ll get blown off the ball, and it’ll allow for some open holes in the running game. Its all about leverage. They are tall guys, so get underneath them, and you should be good if you are a strong fatty. They tire quickly, though, so we have Rocky Bernard as part of our rotation, along with Tuck and JPP..

You won’t see our NASCAR packages on running downs for the reason you listed, you want the heavies in there to help out close those gaps.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it seems the re-tweaked NASCAR is JPP and Osi and end, with Canty and Tuck inside

Much more effective than the all-DE lineup.

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by rich316 on Jan 19, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

no doubt. the original NASCAR was pissing me off.

I think they call this new package FOUR ACES. Got to give them credit for coming up with cool names lol

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Was it because they only ever turned left?

That’s why NASCAR always pisses me off…

by CK on Jan 19, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 AM PST up reply actions  

They should do those 5 man lines again

And by again, I mean more than the one time in 2009 in the first game we did it than never again.

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by Willgfass on Jan 19, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

you mean the vaunted 5-1-5 defense that was going to reinvent the wheel?

with Bill Sheridan as master tactition of the whole thing? hehe, yeah, that one is on the back page of the play book, written upside down in invisible ink.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously we should've used it more

Instead of the stupid zone blitz dropping tuck to cover a tight end… Sigh

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The Ballard of Jake:
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by Willgfass on Jan 21, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Good info thanks!

I didn’t realize that your DTs were so tall. Do they get their hands on a lot of passes? How many snaps do they play? Would you say they play enough that fatigue comes into play, or do they rotate so many in that everyone stays fresh?

I don’t really think this should be an issue, but I’m pretty sure that Rocky Bernard is the guy that destroyed Alex Smith’s throwing shoulder in 2007. He was on the Seahawks before he got to you guys right? If he’s the guy I am thinking about he broke through the middle of the line almost immediately and belly flopped on Smith, after a panicked thrown and before he could get his arm un-extended. The injury caused Alex to miss large parts of 2 seasons. I hope and expect that Alex is long past that now, it must seem like it happened in a different lifetime now. It’s an interesting reminder that we’re in a much better place as a team then we were then.

by CK on Jan 19, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah its that rocky bernard

The D-line rotation is deep, and they do a good job of keeping everybody fresh with getting guys rest. There are a large number of tipped balls, JPP being the best at it because of his ridiculously long arms.

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by rich316 on Jan 19, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah canty, jpp, and tuck tip the most balls

Osi, not so much.

we go 8 deep on the line, including Kiwanuka, who lines up on the end at times. if our 2nd round pick hadn’t got hurt for the season, i think we’d even be deeper in the middle of the line.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

We're definitely in for a challenge with that group

I wish we had shown some up-tempo no huddle that could we could use to tire out players used to rotating so much, but I doubt you’ll see it Sunday, it hasn’t really been a part of our game this season.

We also like to rotate personell ALOT on offense looking for mismatches, often with heavy personell groupings, so you’ll likely see a lot of big boys sprinting to and from the sidelines on both sides.

by CK on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

don't tell your OC

but no huddle IS our kryptonite.

again, our little secret….

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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
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by wilddre22 on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't worry

We don’t even go full no huddle in hurry up situations

Currently satiating my hunger for Kings basketball with a renewed focus on the NINERS

by Tetsu on Jan 20, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

OT: Hospital beds are the best things ever

So soft… and you can adjust it… when I get a house, I’m going to buy a hospital bed for the master bedroom. Now all I need is a button to make nurses come to give me food and water…

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 19, 2012 7:30 PM PST reply actions  

jonathan goodwin injury

I’ve noticed that the niner’s starting center hasn’t practiced this week, is this just a case of them managing an injury that he is expected to play through, or a situation where they don’t know whether he’s going to go on Sunday or not?

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 19, 2012 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

Pretty sure he'll be good to go on Sunday.

Think he got banged up a bit in the Saints game, but returned after a handful of plays and finished the game. Probably just sitting in practice due to some soreness or whatever. Ginn is the only guy I can think of that may sit out Sunday, assuming that Walker is cleared to play.

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by jbrown63 on Jan 19, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm guessing you'd have to Bernard Pollard all these guys to keep them out of this game

That being said, look who’s lining up at strong safety for the Ravens against Tom Brady this sunday. hmm…

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

wow lots here

1. The teams are equally hot. Same record over past 5 games.

2. This is a great blog. Even your worst guys aren’t that bad. Also, anyone who tried to scold me for putting pictures of crying babies up when Packers fans were being crying babies… do you still think I’m the problem?

3. Muddy favors the 49ers.

4. “Better coach” is subjective. Coughlin is the more proven coach, with a stronger resume.

5. I can’t wait! Cheers, 49ers fans, here’s to a great game, and the best team winning. Here’s to a well-officiated game free of injuries.

Good luck.

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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 21, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions  

Responses

1. Agree.
2. Thanks!
3. I’m not 100% sure of that, or 100% sure how muddy it will be.
4. Agree.
5. Agree 100%. Now that the big teams are out of the playoffs, I think the officiating will be more fair.

I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.

by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jan 21, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Just because you got along better with these guys...

Doesn’t mean you weren’t being a dick last week. I’m not defending the Packers fans, they were extremely arrogant and difficult to stomach.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 21, 2012 1:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

i think you're one of the people who used to always pick fights with me.

If I’m wrong, sorry for the mistake. If I’m right, thanks for cutting that out.

I’ve been chatting with other fans here for years and I don’t really bother with pissing contests all that much any more. But every now and then, we’ll encounter a handful of trolls who are so arrogant and obnoxious (Eagles, Packers — nothing against those teams or fanbases in general, just the special few) that I just can’t resist having some fun.

So I’ll tease and mock while they grow increasingly angry, rude, and hysterical, until it ceases to amuse me.

By the way, if you can find something I said that was ad hominem insulting, or vulgar/profane, I will personally mail you $5. Pictures of crying babies don’t count, they’re just hilarious.

If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 21, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

We've had disagreements...

Mostly about the coaching staff (Perry Fewell) and they’ve gotten a little “snippy” but I wouldn’t say we fought. Fewell has done what I’ve been begging for and wouldn’t you know it, it has been working like a charm so I was right all along lmao.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 21, 2012 6:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

haha!

It’s like the old adage, winning cures everything. Let’s hope by tomorrow night you and I are best of friends!

If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 21, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think its smart.

It puts a shadow of doubt in every potential jerk’s mind that the family that he normally might be rude too, possibly might get him thrown out of a must-see game.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 22, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

The past is the past…but if you wanna point out a 2007 run…how bout these apples?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JX9pVLYHu4

by Dukeston1 on Jan 22, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Time to make new history

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No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 22, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree wholeheartedly.

And i absolutely would never have gone over to BBV and posted that video. But this is NN…had to answer for that.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 22, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

It's all good. :-)

i wouldn’t have minded.

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 22, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Mark Bavaro - Delanie Walker: Playing with a broken jaw.

How many weeks after his broken jaw did Bavaro start practicing and playing? Anyone recall?

by zacksf on Jan 22, 2012 10:03 AM PST reply actions  

Bavaro never missed a game because of the jaw...

I believe he played through it.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Giants recievers comment

I would expect the rain to diminish the effectiveness of Cruz quite a bit (because he is a speed, turf-type player) and Manningham to some degree?, leaving the focus on Nicks. Agree? Disagree?

(Similarly, this would not have been Ted Ginn’s kind of day, if he were to play.)

by zacksf on Jan 22, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Cruz is not the player he seems to be....

He is much stronger than he looks and often it’s a single cut and he heads upfield…

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 22, 2012 11:19 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

It's that single cut

Even when you know where you are going before the defender, that becomes hard in a wet turf situation.

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by Ougadas on Jan 22, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

What a game!!

Obviously you guys are dissapointed, but geez, what a game.

Your defense is legit. To hold Eli to what, 5 or 6 yards per attempt? Great stuff.

Well we’ll be seeing each other next year at least once. Perhaps even twice?

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 22, 2012 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

Tough Game

It really did feel like a defensive throwback game of the late 80’s to me. Could have gone either way, and the team that made less mistakes won. Just like we thought they would. Congrats on the win and good luck in the SB.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 22, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Dissapointed yes, particularly the first punt muff

Without that, this SF defense would’ve pitched a 2nd half shutout and taken their mates to the Super Bowl, quite an impressive feat against Eli and his receivers. They would then receive the glory they deserve as the best defense in the league.

Good luck in the SB. I certainly hope you guys beat NE and win for the NFC.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!

by SpurredOn on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks!

I don’t think there should be any doubt, your defense is one of if not the top defense in the league

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)

by Willgfass on Jan 23, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Best 34 hands down.

All the way to a Super Bowl victory like a knife through butter
JPP Is hands down the best DE in the NFL right now
Can't spell Elite without ELI
Jerry Reese for President 2012..let's make that happen!

by Shaunthegiant on Jan 23, 2012 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

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