A Lot of Talk From NY...Should the Niners Respond?
by LooseCannon79 on Jan 17, 2012 10:27 AM PST
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PrintSince the New York Giants' win over the Green Bay Packers on Sunday, there's been a decent amount of smack talk coming directly from the Giants' players, which is to be expected. That's who they are, and they're feeling like world beaters right now after sending home the team that was "supposed to win it all."
Generally this season, the 49ers players have shied away from this type of behavior, but this morning, Niner safety Donte Whitner threw up a tweet as a general response to the trash talk coming from New York.
I've been hearing some rumblings since this tweet that the 49ers should just ignore it completely, and not give the Giants any of the constantly mentioned "bulletin board material." While I can see that side of the argument, and why some people feel like this uncharacteristic 49er tweet was a sign that the Niners are taking the bait, I personally don't have a problem with Whitner putting this out there, as long as...
This is the end of it.
The Giants are going to keep talking, and we all know that. It's just what they do, and that's not going to change anytime soon - especially as we get closer to Sunday's NFC Championship Game at Candlestick Park this coming Sunday. What Whitner tweeted should just be the end of the "talk" coming out of the Niner locker room, especially if he means what he said.
But I guess the question that this whole thing brings me to is this - and it's something I really haven't thought about in reference to the 49ers lately, as they really haven't had much room to do much "talking" the past 9 years anyway.
Does all of the trash talk really affect what happens on the field once the game clock starts ticking and the players are on the field?
To me, I look at a team like the New York Jets, and more specifically, their loud mouthed head coach Rex Ryan. It's one thing to be confident, and want to build your team up to give them confidence going into any game. I think there's definitely a point where it becomes "too much" though, and serves as more of a distraction than it does a motivator. A football team's confidence level - or any sports team's for that matter - should come from what they do on the field, not what they say before they even suit up for a game. When the talking gets to reach a ridiculous level, I think it can switch to having a negative effect and cause a team to lose focus by getting too cocky, too arrogant, and possibly give them a false sense of confidence, even a false sense of entitlement, once the opening kickoff is in the air.
I'd be interested to hear some others' thoughts on this stuff. It seems trivial and stupid on some levels, but there certainly is a mental chess game that goes on throughout the weeks before these win-or-go-home weekends. I say, let the Giants keep talking, and let Whitner's sole tweet stand alone. Because if he meant what he said...
Then there's nothing else that NEEDS to be said until Sunday afternoon.
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Whitner's tweet is a perfect response
and I agree, that should be it.
49ers right now are playing what I grew up calling “Giants Football” (no offense intended). Pound the rock, hit’em hard on D. Part of Giants football in the pre-Antrel Rolle, JPP, and Brandon Jacobs era was not talking smack. It’s not something I’m a fan of.
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't have said it better
I’m not a fan of smack talk.
French fries are really Belgian, sausages and bagels have the same amount of protein, two countries' names mean "turkey", and Santa Claus was invented by the Coca-Cola company. Is life weird or what?
Debe ser verde y volante - Πράσινο και να πετάει - It's gotta be green and it's gotta fly!
same here
talking smack and making guarantees make no sense. It’s the easiest thing to do. It means nothing. Don’t know why players partake.
We call it ... Har - Baughall ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Nothing else needs to be said.
Donte Whitner literally knocked out Pierre Thomas. Lights out. Justin Smith and Aldon Smith will do all of their talking on the field. Joe Staley and that O-line will be jacked up. The Niners don’t need to say anything else because they’re just going to show up on Sunday and smack the Giants in the mouth like they’ve done to nearly every opponent (Harbaugh Bowl aside).
by throwthedamnball on Jan 17, 2012 11:06 AM PST reply actions
We are the anti-Jets
From the top down (Harbaugh) this team has let its actions rather than words speak all year.
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 17, 2012 11:32 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I absolutely agree...
Which is why I was actually a little surprised to see Whitner tweet about it at all. But it seemed more like it was a light hearted tweet with the “haha” at the end, almost mocking the fact that the Giants feel the need to open their mouths.
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Living in NY i have to deal with crap from Giants fans all year round ( it also doesn’t help that my girlfriend and her whole family are giants fans ) My dad raised me as a niners fan though and i have never rooted for the giants. Both NY teams just talk smack and show no class and are disrespectful. Why would you ever want to fire up another team with the comments you are making toward that team? I have always liked the classy teams in all sports and I am glad the Niners are classy and quiet. GO NINERSSSS
by Kyle Gorzynski on Jan 17, 2012 12:25 PM PST reply actions
What have the Giants been saying?
I’ve seen a lot about how they feel confident based on how they’ve been playing the past couple weeks, but definitely not anything derogatory about the Niners. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I’ve heard them talk any “smack” about SF, especially because they walked out of Candlestick with a loss once already this season. IMO there’s a difference between being confident in your teammates and saying you’re confident you’re going to win.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Victor Cruz implied...
That the Giants just don’t like the Niners, and that’s one of the reasons they’re looking forward to playing them. I never said they were calling out players or anything extreme – but why even open your mouth at all? Here is his quote though…
“It definitely works out in our favor a little bit that we’re able to get San Fran as opposed to New Orleans, just because of how we feel about them and we understand we have a good chance of winning that game.”
It’s the “how we feel about them” part that made me raise an eyebrow a bit, as if the Niners did something to them other than beat them in a good game earlier in the season.
But again, I never said it was derogatory talk. But why bother saying anything at all? Say what you have to say on the field and let the score speak for itself.
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Rogers did his dance last time
and that irked him. Think a reporter asked him about it after the game, and it set him off a bit. And he projects that onto the whole team. Course Rogers mentioned in his postgame remarks how impressed he was with Cruz, and how he subsequently cast his pro-bowl ballot for the kid, but what can you do? The younger players are necessarily hot headed. Look at Anthony Davis!
There was also the matter of Antrelle Rolle basically forecasting a win, in code. That skirted the mark a bit. Mostly though, you’re right, because talking smack and playing undiciplined is not the 9ers game. Don’t know if it’s anyone’s game, but the 9ers got here by playing within themselves, trusting the coaches and working their butts off. They depart that formula at their peril…
Well ,didn't Cruz do the Dirty Bird , talk about disrepect ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
That was Nicks, actually.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
that was Nicks
but Cruz does do that salsa dance
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
Rolle said he didn't care who the opponent was...in their minds they think they can win....
Giants are barking, yeah, but very little of it IMO is disrespect to the 49ers, though I can see it being taken that way.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Meh the full quote says that based on how they played the 49ers...a 7 pt loss
versus Saints….25 point loss….they feel better about playing the 9ers. If you want to take that as disrespect, I suppose it could be…
VD and Whitner both said they’d rather play the Giants too…
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
each of which is perfectly understandable
Home field cannot be underestimated in this league and relatedly neither can the otherworldlyness of the Saints in NO. That said, if any of these players go any further down this route they’ll be doing their teams a great disservice so the media can avoid actually having to cover a football game. Not well played.
VD's was in the context of the question
Something along the lines of “I know you don’t care who you play but you’re probably rooting for a Giants win so that you can have a home game.” VD laughed and said yes, he was rooting for the Giants, then followed up about wanting a home game for the fans.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
I think what Cruz was implying..
Is that they didn’t feel good about being able to beat the Saints, who really embarrassed their defense when they last played. It’s a bit of honesty for which he can’t be blamed, but it certainly tells the Niners “we didn’t think we could beat them but we think we can beat you.” If you’re a 49ers player, and you just beat the team that the Giants wanted to avoid, I think you’re feeling even more confident than you previously did.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
It goes both ways
We were all going for the Giants to beat the Packers so we don’t have to go to Lambeau… This is their version…
by Don'tCallMeWhiner on Jan 18, 2012 2:10 AM PST up reply actions
We all weren't
I didn’t care, as the Niners winning in either scenario would be memorable and classic. I felt their chances in either game was about the same.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Both NY teams just talk smack and show no class and are disrespectful
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
well that should go straight to the Comedy thread..
Giants = no class
lol!
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
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Let them talk
I never like a team that talks before the game, you have to be really really god to talk. I am talking about dynasty type team that has a won consistently. I am sorry 9-7 doesn’t cut it. Do you ever hear a patriot team talk? I love it the way we’ve handled it, I’m cool with Whitner just saying we hear the smack but we are going to stay above the fray. I say let them do all the talking during the week, and the niners can do the talking at the game (both with their mouths and their pads)!!!
They did a lot of chirping prior to the week 10 game too.
How did that work out for them?
This really isn't anything more than confidence, they didn't say anything.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Yeah dude please don't lump the Giants in with the Jest.
It’s my opinion that around the league the Giants are viewed as a classy organization, from the ownership to the coach and on down to the players.
Yes, they’ve managed to pick up a loudmouth in Rolle and maybe the guys aren’t as disciplined as they should be when media goes soliciting for “stories.”
But it’s a far, far cry from Rex Ryan and the Jets.
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
everyone loves a good foot joke!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
"San Fran"
Let this be a message to everyone (even the 49er players apparently)…please stop saying “San Fran”.
Better tell Donte!
“Out here in San Fran …..”
I would rather him not
or he might have to watch the Game on DVR, kind of like Pierre Thomas…
On Twitter it's okay as an abbreviation
But to everyone else, my lord, where did that start?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Well, it's a long city name
So people feel like it needs an abbreviated shorthand version for common speech (like L.A. or Philly or something).
“The City” doesn’t work outside of the Bay Area (people won’t know what you’re talking about), and the locals hate “Frisco” more than anything. So San Fran it is.
Then say SF
Like “LA” or “ATL” it’s fine in a sports discussion. I’d say the same if someone stated lazily saying “York” or “Balt”.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Time to start a new trend!
Though “SF” just doesn’t seem to roll off the tongue like LA does. And I don’t know that I’ve ever heard anyone using it in common speech.
Talk ( is ) cheap ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Don't know if the whole Giants team is like that, though...
… Tuck did apologize, after all, for what he said about Alex. He admitted Alex beat them and said his comments came out the wrong way.
And Eli Manning is a class act, in my opinion; as is Tom Coughlin. If the Giants were playing any other team, I would be rooting for them. Eli has been under-rated for a long time, and has never really got his dues. He gets beat up in that pocket, just like Alex, but he never comes out and criticizes his line or blames other people. He hangs in there and acts like a leader.
In my opinion, THIS game will be the Superbowl. If the Giants win, they will win it all. If we win, we will win it all. No one can stop either of these teams – but someone has to lose.
At the end of the day, I think our team will show up more than theirs will; and we will beat the crap out of them – physically, and on the scoreboard.
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by liberty_JAC on Jan 17, 2012 2:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Did one of the Giants players "guarantee" victory?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
I think Antrel Rolle, but he talks crap every week, so its one of those things where you just dismiss it...
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Micheal Boley did.
He said the Giants don’t just think they will win, they know they will win.
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JPP guaranteed the Packers win
Multiple times, actually. Yesterday, Rolle said something to the effect of “we can’t be stopped,” which is pretty close, but doesn’t have that “guarantee” word that people love.
Go Giants!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
It's perfectly understandable why the
Giants are pleased that they are going to SF rather than NO, I just don’t understand what is gained by saying it publicly. Everybody knows the Giants would rather play the Niners, so there was no need to say it. I think that is called being cocky.
Right...
That was kind of my point with the post, originally :)
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 17, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I won't make this as long as my previous posts
Both teams are revved up, ready to go. Both teams have battled HARD to get where they are. The Giants were all but out of it unless they took it to the Jets, and they sure did much to the happiness of everyone in the world. The talk they are letting out is to help keep their engines hot. Most of us know this, especially those that played sports in the past. For both of these team it’s super bowl or bust, and the Niners have waited a long time for a chance like this. The excitement leaks out.
Niners, keep the engines hot (in a good way) for the NY Giants. They are one team you cannot sleep on. There are plenty of doubters out there and it’s time to show them that our defense is unmatched and that Alex Smith at least doesn’t suck. I love the media right now saying “Ok Niners, good job on the Saints, I still don’t think you can do it.” I love it, Jim Harbaugh loves it, we all love it. No flukes in these last 4 teams.
Stay hungry and whatever Whitner’s shoulder pads want to say, it seems to be a one-sided conversation.
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sorry ass giants
when people talk crap they are scared
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