Vox Media, SB Nation Take Official Stance Against SOPA, PIPA
While this week is important for the 49ers as we approach the 2012 NFC Championship Game, there are sometimes things that go beyond the 49ers and sports. Normally we do not engage in political discussion on this site, but once in a while there is something that transcends that rule and must be discussed. The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA) are perfect examples of that.
If you have been to Google, Wikipedia or Wired, among many other sites, you'll notice dramatic changes today. It is a one day protest against SOPA and PIPA. SOPA is a bill currently in the House of Representatives and PIPA is the corresponding bill in the Senate. The problem that initiated these bills was concern over foreign piracy of American intellectual property. There are numerous sites that violate American copyrights and trademarks and Congress was "attempting" to battle that with these bills.
Unfortunately, as is often the case, Congress has gone overboard without comprehending what they are doing. The two Congressional bills do take aim at these foreign sites, but they also threaten to suck in most legitimate sites on the Internet due to their overbroad and vague wording.
Niners Nation is part of SB Nation and SB Nation falls under the umbrella of Vox Media. The legal team at Vox Media had time to review these bills and has come out with an official position against the legislation under its current wording. You can read through the official position at that link, but some of the main concerns include:
- Decreased effectiveness and questionable availability of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) safe harbor for sites that host user-contributed content;
- Higher compliance costs for all sites that host user-contributed content;
- Potentially overzealous compliance efforts by search engines and payment providers in their attempts to maintain the immunity offered by SOPA section 104;
- Serious constitutional issues in regards to due process and seizure of property.
There are significant issues where if anybody posts any sort of potentially unlawful video clips, Niners Nation could get shut down with little to no due process. The legislation basically provides for shoot first and ask questions later.
What can you do? Well, the most basic option is to contact your Senators and Representatives. At the Wikipedia link above, it provides an opportunity for you to enter your zip code to figure out who to contact. Google has created a petition to show Congress the groundswell of support against the legislation. The Senate will begin voting on PIPA on January 24, so try and sign the petition before then.
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It is not exaggerating to say that SOPA will cripple the internet in a big way.
I’ve been doing a lot – I seriously urge you guys to legitimately call, email and write your representatives.
To expand on one thing Fooch said – somebody posting an image in a fanpost of a 49ers player that they didn’t have a right to post and BAM – Niners Nation is shut down. All it would take is for them to get their friendliest judge to sign an order and they can pull the site.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 9:11 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Couldn't our avatars be enough?
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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
I own my avatar, but manraj stole that lizard.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 18, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
You actually don't own that avatar, considering it's the 49ers logo still clearly visible.
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Mmmmm
But, but, the chicken!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 18, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
its not a lizard
its a chameleon
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This IS election year!
Truly the only time that you can effectively affect congress’s decisions…
Co-sponsor of PIPA
Sen. Joe Lieberman: We need to mimic China’s abilities to shut down parts of the internet in times of war. So it’s an internet killlswitch??
Bye Bye YouTube...
They cannot handle that kind of check and balances
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Thank you
for bringing this up here…would definitely be an issue for a site like this one that uses photos, links to YouTube, etc.
I'm not a lawyer
but a bill stopping “rogue” sites like Pirates Bay etc. that are based overseas form distributing copyrighted content like movies, TV shows, music etc. for FREE seam pretty reasonable. It sucks as an internet user, but the internet has essentially provided all of us with a black market where the cost of some goods (content) are free. I’m surprised it took this long to heavily push legislation. Producers of content want the free distribution of their content to stop, and web sites want to continue to do so. It has nothing to do with an “open internet or the freedom to express one self…”
vagueness
I think there is value for copyright protection stopping certain IP infringers. But SOPA as it is worded is overly broad and provides opportunities to sweep in perfectly legitimate sites. There are ways to do this by being significant more specific with the language.
by David Fucillo on Jan 18, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
so in principle
Vox and other mega sites that rely heavily on using other people’s content, don’t mind the legislation? — they just want a better written bill? I doubt it, but please tell me if I’m wrong.
Other people's content?
The only thing I could possibly think of you referring to is when Fooch randomly links to that Ice Cube song. We pay for the images we use and the videos during the game are not copyright for certain uses.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I know SBN has paid for the right to use certain pictures
but yeah, if that Ice Cube video, or any random video, is copyrighted or owned (which it probably is by the studio or record label that produced the music video etc.) why is it unreasonable to put a stop to that?
because we’re not using that song for the purpose of profiting off of someone else’s intellectual property. it’s perfectly innocent.
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well
in that instance, that’s not entirely true. If it draws people to the site and they’re click on ads, that benefits the network. I don’t post it because it draws people, I post it because I think it is a fitting song following victories. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be considered an issue.
by David Fucillo on Jan 18, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
And again, it's the language. It's the sweeping power granted to our government.
One post of that video from a user … even on an article from a month ago … could have NN down with a big SOPA label slapped on the domain of ninersnation.com for a very long period of time.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
right
that video is used on a site that generates profit; whether or not that video was used solely or in any part because you want to attract readers or make $$ is irrelevant.
and that doesn’t sound unreasonable?
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I was aware of that
and meant to address it, but in the middle of typing up my comment i realized I was late for class so just hit submit.
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this is a profit generated site
but that’s not the issue anyways. It’s reasonable to assert that A personal blog shouldn’t be able to use it, maybe only link to the video at a site that owns the video, not YouTube. It’s the principle of using copyrighted material without permission or compensation. I can’t go to Miramax studios and say "give me the movie “Moneyball” for free; I’m only using it at home for my personal convenience and not using it to make $$$."
The problem with your argument is that SOPA is hardly built to stop those things. It's built solely to give the government free and total reign over the internet.
Think China and their censorship. That’s the next step.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
what?
If by censorship you mean regulation, then yeah. The internet is one of the largest business marketplaces full of commerce and business transactions. Liberals want the physical, tangible marketplace to be regulated and governed, but not the internet, which is a virtual marketplace?
And what is SOPA built to stop that you are not okay with?
SOPA is built to stop anything they damn well please. That’s the problem.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
simply put
If some random user posts a link to something illegal in the comments and I don’t notice it, the copyright holder can conceivably come after NN and shut the site down without due process. Again, they’re not guaranteed to do that, but this provides them that opportunity. The IP issues are immense, but from a straight legal perspective, it cuts down the due process opportunities in a shoot first, ask questions later model.
by David Fucillo on Jan 18, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
In short
It’s akin to using a sledgehammer when a scalpel would be a better tool.
by runningblack on Jan 18, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
shutting NN down because of a FP
on first offense seems unrealistic, but any language that eliminates due process etc. is a serious issue.
Also, if it becomes law, and say it is known that first offense can lead to site being shut down temporarily or indefinitely, then SBN needs to brief all it’s paid writers and their moderators, and perhaps make all user generated content go through the site’s editors before appearing on the site.
Think about how you would do this
Do you really expect the moderators to recognize and scrutinize every post of every use to ensure that they are not using someone’s IP? That would effectively cripple this and all such sites everywhere. There is no way there is sufficient bandwidth for them to police every piece of content supplied by every user.
what is the legal wording say
when it comes to “shutting people down” on a possible first and innocent offense and doing away with due process?
And maybe SBN would have to make all FP and FS (from potentially non-informed, non-front page writers who have been briefed of the new rules) go through editors before appearing on the site. Again, it’s inconvenient, but not sure that it is out of bounds.
SOPA
I have to run out for a bit. If you want to read the bill, here is the official text.
by David Fucillo on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
if I understand correctly
the biggest risk is with user generated content sites. SB nation blogs are great because of the communities and comments. As SOPA and PIPA are currently written, if any link, post or picture is the “IP” of another party that party can get the ENTIRE SITE taken down, with out due process of law. If you post any, single picture or video from the NFL without their expressed consent, the entire site could be shut down.
The problem is not the idea of the bill, but the execution. It takes out the due process of law which is an essential part of the Bill of Rights.
Do you consider a company responsible when a few customers purchase their product
but then use it in a harmful manner unintended by the company?
Like let’s say I make flower pots. It’s how I make my living. Yet some people by my flower pots and proceed to bludgeon people to death with them, even though that’s clearly not what the product is meant for.
Am I responsible for this?
by runningblack on Jan 18, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Yes it is your fault LOL...
…no, but your flower pot isn’t copyrighted material and you got compensation for it.
But if SOPA applied to physical business
I would be responsible for it.
SOPA makes websites responsible for any copyright infringing actions that users do on a website. Even if the website moderates heavily and has a strict policy against copyrighted material on the site, in any way shape or form, they are responsible if users violate both the site rules and SOPA.
If a user links to a copyrighted youtube video or an online stream, and it’s not caught in time, the website can be shut down.
If people use the site in an unintended manner, the website and the owners are at fault.
It’s the same thing as someone buying a flower pot, braining some poor schlub, and me being held responsible for it.
by runningblack on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
If that was what the bill said, sure.
But you obviously aren’t grasping what it really says. Let me try and put it out there simply. The bill, for one, doesn’t define what a rogue site is and has ultimate power in its execution. The language and terminology are so broad and sweeping that the government could pull down any site at any time without any kind of trial or warning.
Google said it best – end piracy, not liberty. There’s a way to fight piracy and “rogue” sites, to be sure. SOPA and PIPA are NOT it.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
And I legitimately did not mean for that first bit "put it out there simply" to be insulting in any way. It's a rather confusing proposal.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
what is the "liberty" at stake
may I ask?
R-Issa in SoCal, I read, wrote a bill that he felt was better.
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., meanwhile, is opposed to the legislation and will today officially introduce an alternative — the Online Protection and Enforcement of Digital Trade (OPEN) Act. Issa said Tuesday he expects his bill to have more co-sponsors than SOPA has in the House and that “once members of Congress see a viable alternative… I think we can get to a consensus.”
The OPEN Act would make the International Trade Commission, rather than the Justice Department, responsible for policing U.S. connections to foreign rogue sites. Placing that responsibility in the hands of one entity, rather than the whole court system, would make the process more transparent, Issa argues.
Would this bill be more up your (and site’s) alley?
No - the broad, sweeping power is still there with the same vague terminology. I don't care who is pulling the trigger when it's aimed squarely at me.
My supporting of this has nothing to do with Niners Nation or Vox Media at all. I didn’t even know Vox was going to post anything about this until I woke up this morning and saw it. I tweeted last night that if I were in charge, I’d black out NN in protest, thinking that they weren’t even going to come out in support of this.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I feel you misunderstand the issue… The issue is the wording. We all agree that foreign piracy sites are bad and should be dealt with… Or I assume we do, at least. However, the bill hurts more that just foreign sites, and it threatens sites with user-generated content, and essentially is an Internet free-speech right removal for anyone who’s images resemble those owned by someone else… Harmless or not
by 40daysand49ers on Jan 18, 2012 10:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oops, I think that link might get us shut down…
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and it threatens sites with user-generated content
Like SBN? How so? IF sites are not using pictures, images, movies etc that are owned by others, what are they liable for?
and essentially is an Internet free-speech right removal for anyone who’s images resemble those owned by someone else
How is it a free speech issue? What speech is being infringed upon. You certainly don’t feel using other people’s content without their permission is infringing on speech, do you?
Instead of acting like the specific information you’re referring to is hard to understand, you can simply look up one of the five million guides that easily explain SOPA. Asking how it can affect websites when it’s blatantly obvious is just you being purposefully ignorant to be confrontational. Sure, its a hard bill to get when you read one or two lines about it, like I said above, but there’s plenty of easy-read guides.
If you choose to be ignorant of the bill, that’s fine. I’m going to go and continue to call my representatives and ensure that my freedoms aren’t infringed upon. I don’t want a censored web.
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by James Brady on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But I don't understand your concerns
that’s why I asked you about them. Can you articulate the “liberty” or “free speech” that is infringed on here. I’m trying to understand.
using other people's content
There are issues of Fair Use that allow for using other people’s content without their permission. Fair use is an essential part of the Internet experience and coming after me for providing commentary and analysis on copyrighted materials is one of the issues. The vagueness and overbreadth provides the opportunity for them to come after me.
For example, when we post videos of plays and provide analysis, that is employing Fair Use doctrine to copyrighted material. I think it is perfectly reasonable to use such material if I am trying to explain a play or discuss a given situation.
While this bill does not mean the Internet will suddenly be locked up, it does provide the tools to crack down in ways that I believe are unfair to the user experience.
by David Fucillo on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
If i understand you correctly
you feel the bill potentially infringes on the already vague Fair Use? You are not even using a rogue site when using those images and videos. If you are doing nothing wrong — which you’re not — I don’t understand the fear. They have no means to come after you for that. Considering the vagaries of Fair Use to begin with, why haven’t you been afraid of getting busted all this time?
rogue sites
The bill allows for them to go beyond just “rogue” sites because it is sufficiently vague. For me personally, the bill needs more specific wording. As someon said above, Congress is using a sledgehammer when a scalpel will do. The problem is that there is not sufficient clarity in what could be construed as wrong. If NN link to another blog that in turn links to something illegal unrelated to my original link, this bill can conceivably lead to problems for NN.
by David Fucillo on Jan 18, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
yes
they can regulate the entire internet, just as they can regulate the entire business marketplace.
I agree that wording should be changed - lots of law is vague, as is Fair Use — to provide sufficient clarity as to what is permitted and not permitted.
But this does not speak to the “free internet” and “free speech” and “open internet” rhetoric. Content producers want to get more $$$ for what they produce, and web sites don’t want to let go of it. And internet users are inconvenienced as if that matters. Of course, regulation means $$ spent it may hurt the economy. So does non-internt regulation on business.
It is called Due Process
The bill removes the checks of Due Process, making it substantially more viable to target this. Sometimes (most of the time?) Due Process is slow and deliberate and can be extremely frustrating in today’s on-demand world. However, it is there to be sure powers are not ABUSED.
Once again ... end piracy, not liberty. Good luck folks and I hope you do your part.
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What a surprise salary_cap arguing something else from a point of ignorance.
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Seemed like your typical attitude. Refuting others opinions out of hand without fully understanding what they are saying. You at least seemed honest in your questioning and trying to dig deeper at times, but it is clear you need to do some reading on the actual bill first.
We’d both probably be best to ignore my snide comment though.
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by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I understand what they are saying
I just think there is a dissonance between what is appropriate given the way other businesses are regulated, copyright, property (physical and intellectual and virtual) and this appeal to generic self satisfying slogans like “freedom of speech” and an “open internet”. I concede that I may be missing something, but what I do know is that the appeals against it don’t add up. I’m not supporting the bill or anything, I’m supporting the general principle of what (at least some of what) this bill is trying to do, even though it may be inconvenient to me as an internet user. Google and Wiki make these appeals to freedom etc. which is BS. They simply don’t want to lose out on $$$ and traffic . And I aint a capitalist. There is way too much freedom in terms of “sharing” “info” on the internet and people don’t want that gravy train to end. If the general consensus was “we don’t like this bill for X, Y and Z, but we do believe some sort of regulation/enforcement is necessary to uphold certain copyright laws etc.” then I don’t really have any beef.
Fair enough, as I said I wouldn't take my comment too seriously.
I think everyone understands that IP law is a complete mess and piracy is a big issue, especially when applied to the internet, but this bill just goes too far and doesn’t do a great job of addressing those issues IMO. And people much smarter than me on the topic.
Also, Wikipedia is a not-for-profit so it isn’t about $$$ for them, for whatever that’s worth.
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Don't get personal, dude
I’ve read through his comments and he seems to have taken an unwavering stance on the issue by claiming that he doesn’t understand James and Fooch’s positions.
I’m not familiar with him, but if you have a problem with him just ignore him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 18, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
i saw on the news just now that they are dropping the bills entirely?
i also read that the one important signature needed said he would not sign these bills. i do not think people who distribute this stuff can be really stopped; the owners just need to adapt just like the music industry did when mp3’s first came out. certain amount of piracy is a cost of doing business just like shoplifters/theft are a cost of doing business in a brick and mortar retail business.
also on Craigslist they mentioned that monster cable was supporting this bill; they said that monster cable is losing business because people are selling used monster cable. is that even illegal selling used items legally purchased?
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Wouldn’t surprise me. Sounds like the Video Game industry doing everything they can to eliminate used sales as if every industry that ever created a product didn’t have to deal with used sales.
The entertainment industry also doesn’t understand that people will actually pay for stuff they actually find value in and there’s always going to be piracy at some level. Look at what Louis CK just recently did with his special, it was a huge success for him, but these corporations won’t ever understand.
The biggest issue with legislation like this is not that they are trying to stop piracy, no one argues that, it is how it is written and how far it goes. Also, the people in Congress really aren’t equipped to even begin debating about this sort of thing. I mean how many of them actually have an understanding of this bill or what it actually allows for?
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I mean how many of them actually have an understanding of this bill or what it actually allows for?
Welcome to the U.S. Congress!!!
Hey now, they work hard to earn that 13% approval rating. It takes real effort to get there.
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by Virginia9er on Jan 18, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I heard one congress person saying he has no idea and he does not even use the internet!?!?!?!?! The internet wtf?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 18, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
And he is going to vote to see if I view the internet or not...
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I hate our current system
its a bunch of old people voting to say what the next generation will have to do…
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Agreed.
The people in Congress are so out of touch, and are basically completely useless in general. Voter apathy doesn’t help, but I feel like people would probably be more inclined to vote if they weren’t constantly forced to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
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The bill will be broken up into small parts
And tacked on to appropriations bills, bills to honor war heroes, bills to feed orphans, and other random cruft that can barely get a quorum to vote on.
Then it will pass.
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Then the nerds will riot
Things I learned from watching the internet is to never mess with the nerds
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and I mean that in the best way possible.
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Ehhh
They’ll stamp their feet and whine and complain and black out their own sites in protest — but physical exertion?? Let’s not go overboard.
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how about a bill to feed the hungry hunters?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 18, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Arrrrgh I'm a pirate!
Yer going overboard matey!
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If there is a beaurocrat sitting behind a desk somewhere
deciding what is and is not allowed on the internet, there is no longer such a thing as free speech online.
First it’s the pirates, then it’s anyone who dare leak information about the underhanded [site decorum] we’re doing overseas, and it will never end.
You give a power hungry bureaucrat an inch and before you know it they will take a mile. You create a legal precedent for forcing a site into a DNS black hole by court order, and the door is open for the Justice Department to bring those court orders for anything they want until they find a judge willing to push the envelope.
Quite frankly I don’t give a rats ass how much money the entertainment industry is losing. The world has changed. What I do give a rats ass is how much taxpayer money is going toward setting up the Justice Department to be watchdog and prosecutor of something that is a CIVIL MATTER, not a criminal one.
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by Ougadas on Jan 18, 2012 3:03 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
these bills will supposedly allow the DNS without a court order/due process; which is very scary and most likely against the Constitution!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 18, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I don't like SOPA
Last time I checked, you were innocent until proven guilty. But now companies can just automatically shut down any site they want if they think it has infringing material?
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If Sopa was created years ago it could've stopped Justin Beiber...
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not sure about beiber but it would have hindered all those cat pictures!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 18, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
bieber got popular from youtube
youtube would have died…
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Nah, SOPA still sucks
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 20, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions

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