49ers 2012 draft perspective
by Ralphy D on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 AM PST
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Tuesday nfl network came out with some of their first mock drafts. While I quickly scroll down to the 49ers my thoughts are confirmed. Wide receiver Mohammad Sanu and Alshon Jeffery, it seems this has become a common trend is that a WR goes to the niners in the first round. Given I have seen a few changes here and there but i'm speaking of the majority. So I just wanted to throw someone out their I would not mind to see the 49ers draft and maybe get a few thoughts.
Coby Fleener TE, 6'6 250 from Stanford, I feel like he could be similar to Delanie Walker. It seems to be a given the niners need a big tall redzone target for Alex Smith to throw to in the endzone. We all know Harbough loves his TEs and how could he not love one of his own. I say someone like Delanie because I could see him being moved around from TE to the slot or in bunch formations. While I don't know a lot besides the articles I have already read about him it seems his run blocking is not one of his strengths but we already have two TE's who excel in that for him to learn from.
I feel like the pick would add the needed target for alex Smith on offense. Jim loves his versatility with players who can be on the line or out wide, he could move around. Just want to know what people would think about adding a guy like Coby Fleener or if the team qould even consider him during the draft. First post, sorry for any grammatical errors or bad punctuation, I'm not the best writer.
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Weakness
I would agree that the biggest weakness is the lack of a BIG red zone target. I wouldn’t mind drafting Fleener, that would give Smith a target to hit.
However we all know that the 49ers can only draft players with the last name of Smith or Davis in the first round. I can’t find anyone with one of those last names though so my guess is we just trade the pick away.
I do think they're going to come out of the draft/FA with a WR and TE
Don’t know in which rounds. Depends on how the talent falls.
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 1:38 PM PST reply actions
side note, they wouldn't want the 2nd TE to be like Walker
They’d want him to be like Davis or Gronkowski or Hernandez. They’d want someone who is more or less interchangeable with Vernon. Walker and Vernon play 2 completely different positions in the offense which often results in Vernon being kept in to block even though he’s the #1 offensive threat on the team.
Walker is an all purpose tool that helps them be creative on offense, but is not a core part of actual targets, yards, catches, etc.
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
wr is a given, but not so sure about TE but my guess is they are.
Byhnam should hopefully be back next year which he would be the third tight end and their best blocking tight-end. Consider how much Harbaugh likes to line up with all of the suited up oline that is what makes me think they might carry 4 TE’s next year.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 18, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
I am still hoping that Andrew Luck Slides to the
32ND pick
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
Funny you should say that
I was just thinking that they might draft Fleener with their first pick too. The reason is that he will be the best player available when they draft. I also like WR Kendall Wright, C Peter Konz, OT Mike Adams, OLB Nick Perry among others but I think all of those guys will already be off the board. So, my 7 round draft for the 49ers is:
1.32 TE Coby Fleener, Standford, 6-6 245 4.77
Best player available. Day 1 starter.
2.64 CB Trumain Johnson, Montana, 6-2 204 4.52
Ball hawk. Versatile. Could probably play some safety too. 49ers depth is better than people think with Nelms coming back next year and a lot of young guys developing.
3.96 OT Levy Adcock, Oklahoma St, 6-6 322 5.23
Value pick if he is still there. Gives depth or potentially allows Anthony Davis to move inside to RG.
4.128 WR Tommy Streeter, Miami, 6-5 215 4.49
Big, fast, good hands. Coming out early so may drop to us in the 4th.
5.160 DE/OLB Jake Bequette, Arkansas, 6-5 271 4.62
DE depth and could potentially be a 3rd down OLB opposite Aldon Smith. Investment for the future when Cowboy hangs it up.
6.192 OLB Adrian Robinson, Temple, 6-1 250 4.73
Highly recruited out of high school but went to Temple. Could develop into a quality player with NFL coaching.
7.224 OG Brandon Brooks, Miami (OH) 6-4 343 5.32
OG depth to replace Chilo Rachal. A huge rock that could become an anchor for the line in the future.
UDFA WR Dale Moss South Dakota 6-3 220 4.5
Bonus pick! Former basketball player with 1 year of football. Could develop into something special, especially if he’s fast.
don't forget dwayne allen
he’s playing the H back role at clemson with size and speed. he’s basically delanie walker 2.0
They're not going to draft a tackle. They have 4 on the roster, 3 of which they like.
Wouldn’t be shocked for them to go after Konz is there, or even go after the Wisconsin center in the 2nd. Someone who can play guard, but eventually take over at center when Goodwin is done or injured.
But at tackle. They like their guys. Staley, Davis, Boone they’re not going anywhere. And they wouldn’t have kept Person on the 53 man roster the whole year if they didn’t like him enough as a project.
RB is the wildcard position for me. I’m not sure how they feel about Dixon and how they feel about Gore’s age.
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
But at tackle. They like their guys. Staley, Davis, Boone they’re not going anywhere. And they wouldn’t have kept Person on the 53 man roster the whole year if they didn’t like him enough as a project.
You think they like the way Davis has played this year? He’s been terrible.
And liking Person enough to keep him on the roster is a far cry from liking him as a potential starter.
Yes I think they liked the way he played
I think they liked the way Goldson played too
Fan base does not have a good read on how the front office feels about either of them.
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
also, who is talking about a potential starter? He's a late round backup. They have 2 starters and their primary backup already.
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Person is a Center prospect.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
He stayed at tackle in the pre-season and is listed as tackle on the roster.
They only mentioned center at the draft, after that it was all tackle all the time.
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
If that's true he's gone
Staley isn’t going anywhere and had a great year.
Boone looked better at LT than RT and we just re-signed him.
Person is way to small to play RT. His athleticism isn’t that great anyway and putting another 20-30 pounds on that frame isn’t going to help.
If we were Indy or some other pass first finesse team then maybe, but wanting to be a power running team? Not a chance for him.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
They kept him on the 53 man roster all year
I think they would have just put him on the practice squad if they didn’t like him in some way.
Clearly they’re giving him a shot to compete for something and didn’t want to risk losing him.
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Or he was just the best of several poor options
We’ll see next pre-season how much size he’s added. But if this kid ever sees tackle time we’re already in deep trouble.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I agree 100% with you on running back
this draft seems to have a few good running backs that are big and fast. Gore is getting older and they may end up going with four rb’s or they may cut dixon.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 18, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Running backs come fairly cheap
And they need someone who can spell Gore, and be better than Dixon has been. I don’t feel like they’ve given AD enough game opportunities, but it probably means he isn’t showing them enough in practice to merit it.
Another good-value 3rd of 4th round RB pick of someone big, strong, and good after contact would not go awry.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 19, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
feel the same about dixon; but if they do draft someone i hope he is fast
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 19, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Demps
Not as a replacement to Gore or Hunter, but to create specific speed mismatches on the corner. The guy is fast as lightning and project for the 5th-7th round.
When ever I look for a big back to help with power running, I can’t find someone that projects to be better than AD… so I don’t see them taking a late round power back. Maybe Polk will drop to them at the end of round two.
Great idea
I see him as a Ginn replacement. The 2 things that Ginn does most and best for us are returns and running the fly sweep. I think Demps could likely come in and do both of those things as well or better for less money. I think Harbaugh could find other ways to use him creatively on offense for 5-10 plays per game.
do not think they draft a te in the first and I think OLB will be drafted in the first two rounds.
brooks is a free agent and there is only three olb on the rosters as is right now.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Fleener is much faster than 4.77
I’ve posted this before, but it seems appropriate here. I’ve had a running email thing with Walter of Walter. I don’t know where these sites get their 40 times. I think they make them up. “o this guy is 6’6 and 250 lbs he must run a 4.77” He has been the fastest player at Stanford for nearly 5 years. One of the younger guys might now be faster, but Fleener can move. If he runs a 4.5 or below he’ll be gone, unfortunately, before we pick. The 9ers don’t have big holes, but Fleener adds a dimension that will make them better next year and beyond.
Why would we want someone who might be similar to Delanie Walker when we have Delanie Walker?
Nor do we particularly need big, possession-type, red-zone receivers – not when we have Crabree and Morgan on the team.
True
But you know what we already have a lot of that we DO need more of?
Smiths.
There are several available, and many of them play the spots we need to fill. It is also worth noting that Jacquies Smith, a defensive lineman, is from Mizzou. Based on his last name, position, and school, I think we can safely assume that he will be a Hall of Famer, so we should obtain him.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Got to love the Missouri Smiths!
I used this strategy in fantasy baseball one year. Tried drafting only Martinezes and Sanchezes. It worked out pretty well considering. Maybe Baalke is on to something.
by CK on Jan 19, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
On Fleener
I’d rather pass. He doesn’t have the size or strength to play on the line at this level and that is what we need — a guy to take over the tight end role on the line so Vernon doesn’t have to be there blocking for half his snaps.
I do want a TE this draft, but I’d rather have a big body who can block and maybe work the underneath to move the chains from time to time.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
There's the TE from Georgia, but I'm not sure if he's receiver enough
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 18, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Fleener?
Is a good run blocker. He’s had a lot of practice for 5 years at Stanford. Much better blocker and receiver than the TE from Georgia. He’s 250 now, and strong, but like most college players, can certainly get stronger. IMO the 9ers need red zone threats. Someone like Jimmy Graham. Fleener is closer to that than anyone else in this draft.
I can see it now
When they line up in the bunch set with 3 TE’s. Davis, Walker, and Fleener, with Crabtree split out wide and Gore in the backfield…Scary thought for opposing coordinators
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Ougadas ... have you forgotten that Nate Byham will be back as a blocking TE?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 19, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
No I haven't
I don’t believe in “blocking specialists”. I’d rather bring in a guy who can block and is a receiving threat. Not a deep threat like Vernon or Graham or like some think Fleener will be, but a threat to catch that 5-7 yard out every time if you don’t cover him seriously.
If you’re going to put in an extra blocker that is absolutely no threat to the opposing secondary then just put in another tackle and be done with it.
At least the tackle has a better chance of getting open because nobody is expecting him to release into a route.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Oogadas.. Do you have anyone in mind for that role?
I tried replying to this comment below but failed. Who fits your paradigm for good blocker/possession receiver either in college or pros?
by CK on Jan 19, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
You know what
I’m going to hold my horses on this one. We talk about Byham as a blocking specialist but that may not be doing him justice. I have a guy in mind who is a great fit — mainly I like him for the fact that he treats every pass route like it’s a running play — anyone inside that 5 yard zone gets hammered before he makes his cut. The pure aggression in the guy even when running routes is a fun thing to watch.
But I’m not going to go further with it until I go back and watch Byham again.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Nevermind
No such thing exists.
He’s caught 5 passes in the NFL in 5 different games for less than 10 yards each.
Another “wait until next pre-season” guy.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I like the idea of another big TE
My thought was that he should be a height mismatch in the Red Zone, and take some but not all of Delanie’s snaps. At his height and weight, there are some blocks he’s much better suited to make than others. He’s definitely not the one to leave in Pass Pro on a DE, much better at crackbacks and wham blocks, or even lead blocks. I’m sure we’d see some creative 3 TE sets with Delanie lined up in the backfield or split outside to use his versatility. I think all that works better if Delanie is the #3 TE not the #2.
What current TE fits the model you are looking for?
Dominant blocker and reliable possession receiver – seems like a great idea but does the guy exist? I’ve heard good things about Heath Miller’s blocking, but those were from very enthusiastic Steelers fans, so I’m not sure the reports are accurate. Gronkowski is a great blocker, but I doubt there is another one of him for us to draft.
Is this type of player just falling out of favor, or not being developed, or are there guys out there flying under my radar?
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