Niners Have Cooled Off "Hot Teams" More Than Once
For those of you who have read my first couple of FanPost entries, you should figure out by now that I'm a football discussion programming junkie. This morning, while watching "ESPN First Take," one of the topics they tackled was which team out of the San Francisco 49ers and New York Giants is currently on a bigger "roll" coming into the NFC Championship Game. Admitted 49er fan Jemele Hill, who I respect because she's always been able to put her "fan-dom" aside when providing her analysis made great points about the Niners being the hotter team right now, but the rest of the panel all disagreed for various reasons.
I think they all missed one big point that tells me that the question of "who's hotter" really doesn't matter.
This season, the Niners have come up against so called "hot" teams more than once, and prevailed in all of the games with the exception of the road game in Arizona (when they had already clinched their spot in the playoffs). First, let's look back to the game in Detroit against the then 5-0 Lions. Calvin Johnson, at the time, was on pace to have 28 touchdowns on the year. Matthew Stafford was playing lights out at quarterback. This was the game where the 4-1 49ers were going to get brought back down to earth.
But the 49ers went into the Lions' house and not only knocked them off their pedastal, but shook the confidence of that VERY confident team to their very core.
Fast forward to last weekend.
The Saints hadn't lost since the embarrassing tumble they took in Saint Louis against the Rams, winning 9 straight games with a record breaking offense firing on all cylinders - and then some. Drew Brees, Darren Sproles, Jimmy Graham, Marques Colston, Robert Meachem - it didn't matter how good the 49er defense was, the general consensus among the "experts" was that there was just too much fire power for San Francisco to overcome,
Now the Saints are sitting at home licking their wounds, and it's the 49ers playing in the NFC Championship game.
So here we are again, with a slight caveat. The "red hot" New York Giants are coming back to town, flying high after a huge victory over the Green Bay Packers. Las Vegas seems to see the Niners as slight favorites, but most of those so-called "experts" are once again pointing at the team that's "on a roll" - citing the fact that Ahmad Bradshaw's now healthy, they're back to full strength at defense, basically saying "This isn't the same team that was one batted pass away from tying the game and potentially sending it to overtime."
So what?
This 49er team isn't the same team that the Giants faced in week 10 either. Frank Gore was missing for the bulk of that game, and Vernon Davis has finally wrapped his head around this offensive system and has been proving it the past few weeks. Delanie Walker's potential return to the field also gives San Francisco another major weapon back. Alex Smith has broken out of the "game manager" title that people had been placing on him all season and is playing with a confidence that I haven't seen from a Niner signal caller in over a decade. And that confidence has spilled over to the rest of the team - all beautifully orchestrated by Coach Jim Harbaugh.
On top of that, the 49ers offensive goody bag is much deeper than it was in week 10, as it's been well documented that installing the full playbook has been a season long process by the Harbaugh regime. Add that into the fact that the Niners run defense is still the best in the league, and the pass rush will generate pressure on Eli Manning with less than five players coming, including Aldon Smith, who's been playing his best football in the last quarter of the season and into the Saints game. With the rainy conditions that are forecasted for Sunday's game, "elite" or not, I believe that Manning will be forced into making some bad decisions that this ball hawking defense will be more than ready to capitalize on.
Yes, the Giants are playing great football right now, I'm not denying that at all. But the fact that they're so "hot" and on "major roll" really doesn't play into evaluating just who is going to be heading to Indianapolis for this year's Super Bowl. The better, more complete team should win on Sunday afternoon, and I don't think that there's any question that the 49ers are the most complete "team" left in this year's crop of Super Bowl contenders.
Unstoppable force, meet immovable object. The "red hot" New York Giants are heading back to Candlestick, but it's not going to be the rain storm currently passing through the Bay Area that cools them down.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Good post
Also the “red hot” Tampa Bay that the Niners apparently sent back to 1976.
Good call!
I knew I was forgetting one. And that was just an all out slaughter!
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
"Hot" team is a very artificial term.
I’d say the Niners, after beating the best team in the league, are the hottest team right now. But all we hear about is the Giants, so they’re the hot team.
I think it's also coming from...
the fact that the Giants have been playing their best football of the season, basically playing for their “football lives” every week since week 15 or 16, capped off by beating the Packers at Lambeau definitely showcased. That’s a point that I don’t disagree with at all.
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 19, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
It’s really hard to keep that up week after week.
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by positiveuphemism on Jan 19, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Outstanding post
Rec’d hard for storyline, content, and I loved the last line. Even as I disagree with you and root for the opposite.
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Appreciate it :)
And the disagreement makes it fun to be a sports fan at times like this, doesn’t it?
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 19, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Without a doubt. :-)
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Agreed on all points made by you, Loose, as well as Tommy. Nice post.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 19, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
You're right
Jets players never did drunk interviews like these Giants players apparently are.
by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
Let’s not forget the niners will be playing againest the officals as well. East coast bias will show it’s ugly head guaranteed!!
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 19, 2012 4:06 PM PST reply actions
Eh...
I think the “East Coast Bias” is more of a media thing than a ref thing. Look at the horrible calls that were made AGAINST the Giants against the Packers:
1. The fumble that wasn’t.
2. The “helmet to helmet” hit on Rogers
Both of those were absolute mis-calls, and both against the East Coast team.
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 19, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly...
I think the officiating has just been bad across the board in the league this year – including on replay. I’m in full support of the NFL moving towards making officials full time employees – but I think the number needs to be higher than 10, which is what I’ve been seeing discussed
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 20, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
if the officials try to help the giants
pigs will fly.
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 20, 2012 5:43 AM PST up reply actions
if the officials try to help the 49ers
hippopotami will fly
"One game at a time. Let's just keep it rolling." Justin Smith
it's actually hippopotamuses
the word doesn’t come from the latin, and so the plural “i” ending is not correct. But, as we always say, language is fluid and ever-changing, and the “i” pluralization is gaining traction in usage.
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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 22, 2012 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
Lets not foget the Giants had just beat Buff , Phins and Pat's before heading to Ninerville ...
…. then went down 3 straight too …
…PHI 17 @ NYG 10
…NYG 24 @ NO 49
…GB 38 @ NYG 35
…and lets not forget they sent the Eagles down a spiral path also …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
All great points!
This team has been crushing souls all season. And Trent Dilfer’s been a Niner-tweeting machine for the last half hour, and just made the following observation for those of you who don’t follow him (or me, since I RT’d)
“@TDESPN: #filmstudy Niners:Most interesting thing I found all year was how loaded the injury report was for teams AFTER they played Niners #beatudown”
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 19, 2012 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
I do find it funny , that people say that Dilfer was a bad Qb ...
… the Cat played in The National Football League for some 12 yrs , you don’t get too do that by being a bad Qb …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
And...
he “managed” his way to the right to wear a Super Bowl ring as a starting QB. I’ve always liked Trent, and thought he was a class act during his time in San Francisco
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 19, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
He was never a star
But to last for 12 years on an NFL roster you must have been doing something right. I actually bet he’d be a good QB coach; those kinds of guys who didn’t have amazing talent but managed to stick around anyway often become good coaches.
By the way...
Thanks for the Recs to whoever gave ‘em. It’s been a while since I’ve written regularly – but it doesn’t surprise me that it took the Niners doing what they’re doing to re-inspire this former journalism major to start up again :)
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Well , Mr. L.C. I've read all three of your post and enjoyed much as you seem to keep it real ...!!
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Thanks bud
I try to be as realistic as possible…and I know my thoughts on the Niners definitely have a “Homer-ish” type feel – but hey, I’ve been a Niner fan for as long as I can remember. I’m excited about the prospects for this team – not just through the rest of this post season, but for the years to come. And perhaps I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder because I feel like a lot of the national attention the team is getting is unfair.
Bottom line for me going into Sunday’s game is this….I think either team CAN win this game, and I won’t be shocked if the Giants pull off a win, just like I wasn’t shocked that they beat Green Bay. They’re a tough team who played the Niners very tough once already this season in a nail biter of a game. But as a fan, and as someone who considers himself pretty knowledgeable about the game of football overall, I feel a bit compelled to not only say “Hey, this team is for real,” but also “and here’s why…”
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 19, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Other hot teams
The niners also beat the eagles early in the season when the dream team slogan was still in place. Also the 49ers had a very dominating victory over the steelers 20-3
Right , thanks for reading , as it's posted above ...!!
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I think both of those were definitely "statement" wins...
Although I have a hard time calling the Steelers “hot” coming into that Monday night game. They were pretty darn banged up…and the Eagles game was probably a little early in the season to consider ANY team “hot” at that point…
To me, the Eagles game was more of the Niner’s official “coming out party” for the year, and then the Steeler game was almost more of a – and I really hate using this term, but it seems fitting – “redemption game” on national television after the loss to the Ravens.
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 20, 2012 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Steelers-Eagles
Yeah i guess, but i think that the steelers win was huge because the steelers are always considered the best defense and when the niners held them to three it showed how dominant they were along with scoring 20 on them.
Absolutely
It was definitely a huge win – especially on national TV
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 20, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Baltimore
If 49ers and ravens end up in super bowl (harbaugh vs harbaugh) do u think they can beat them this time? the ravens have looked pretty sloppy lately.
I believe so
The offense is playing MUCH better now than they were then…and I know people don’t like talking about excuses, but, let’s be real. Having almost two weeks to prepare for a team is much different than having 2 days before having to board a plane to travel three time zones following a VERY physical game four days before.
The 49ers are a more talented team – the Ravens just played better that night.
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 20, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Sure we can
For one thing, we won’t have to fly all the way to Baltimore only 4 days after playing our last game in S.F.
That Ravens game was about the least typical game the 49ers played all season.
If NY is considered "Hot", good for them.
I play basketball sometimes, if I get “Hot” and can actually make 2 or 3 shots in a row. Funny thing is, it doesn’t mean I am any good. But I got “HOT”.
Better to be GOOD than HOT.
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Media people pick the teams they see more. That's the Giants.
The 49ers flew under the radar all year and people didn’t want to give them credit b/c the division is considered so weak. It’s not fair. The NFC East was just mediocre and had no great teams. The Giants get tons of media attention and the media people pick what they know. The Giants. That’s partly why they all picked the Phillies vs the SF Giants in 2010. They can’t help it.
Remember, these are media people. Media people grab a storyline and don’t let go. Sometimes I listen to their reasoning and they provide all the right reasons to pick the 49ers and every factor favors the 49ers and they end up picking the Giants because of some intangible thing like “hotness.” They just can’t help themselves.
But the NY Giants are considered hot because they beat mediocre Cowboys (2x), Jets and Falcons as well as a rusty, out-of-sync Packers team playing with a heavy heart. Throw in an embarrassing loss to the Redskins (for the 2nd time this year) and that’s how they’ve ended their season. Out of those teams only the Falcons could be considered “hot.”
The 49ers have won just as many in a row. The 49ers ended their season beating Pittsburgh on MNF, @ a surging Seahawks team and the previous hottest team in the world, the Saints (also, a win vs a Rams team w/ nothing to play for.) If anything, we’re just as hot or hotter. But media types and bettors don’t see it that way because the Giants scored big on the Packers (and a crappy defense) and won some of high (media) profile matchups. Those people overrate offense and underrate defense and special teams – the 49ers strengtths.
The 49ers are the most consistent team in football and to a lot of people, they’re boring (until last week, that is.) People don’t want to believe in them, but they’re really, really good and they’re going to smack the crap out of the Giants tomorrow.
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"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 21, 2012 10:03 AM PST reply actions
I know this has been mentioned before, but this Niners team just feels like the 2010 Giants. I remember listening to the last game of the NLCS on my way home from school and thinking “wow this must be there year.” Again nobody wanted to pick them because of a mediocre offense, and dismissed the pitching and defense factors. I feel the same with the Niners this year, they have the pitching and defense (special teams, defense, ball protection) that the Giants had.
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I think part of it is also based on preseason expectations. People expected the other teams in the “Final Four” this year to be good — Pats, Ravens, Giants. The Niners were expected to maybe back into the playoffs because of a weak NFC West, but not to dominate and certainly not to beat one of the other major powers (Saints).
Same deal with the Giants in 2010. They were a surprise story, so people expected one of the other “known quantities” (like the Phillies) to beat them. They never took note of the fact that the Giants were actually a really dangerous playoff team themselves, until about 2 games into the World Series.
You did a wonderful job
of belittling the Giants accomplishments to get here and highlight the negative.
We’ll see who gets the crap beat out of them. IMO, any fan who thinks they “know” what’s going to happen in this game is just….wrong.
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Kind of like...
How all of the so-called “experts” completely ignore the fact that the Niners have the top rated run defense in the league and keep saying like it’s fact that the Giants are going to be able to run the ball effectively to set up the play action passing for Eli?
Hi pot. This is the kettle calling you black.
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 21, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s not also forget that based on the regular season, the Giants have the WORST running game in the league. They were dead last in rushing yards.
I’ll grant that some of that can be blamed on Ahmad Bradshaw’s injury problems, but still, last is last. They are not that good a running team. With Bradshaw they are better, but still not so good that you can assume they’ll be able to run on the league’s #1 rushing D. Even against Green Bay, I didn’t see them running the ball all that well until the 4th quarter (when the Packers’ spirits had been crushed).
To beat the Niners, the Giants are going to have to throw the ball well.
There is really no "hot" issue, it's a media fabrication.
both teams have won 4 of 5, and their last 4.
I agree with that main page post that says the better pass rush wins this game.
And the Giants need to maintain run/pass balance. That will be hard to do if they can’t average at least upper 3.x yards per attempt.
SEVEN HOURS. wtf.
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I find the East Coast Media Bias thing funny
They’ve been killing the Giants all season, now they are a trendy Cinderella story and there is some kind of favorable bias towards them. Meh
As for the hot team stuff, that’s a media fabrication, they love yakking it up about stuff that you can’t really verify. But the NY Times several decades ago created a computer model to gauge power rankings, and what they found is that your last 3 or 4 games is the strongest indicator of where a team is. So if you want a good yardstick of our defense and offense of where it is now, compile the stats for our last 4 or even 5. Then you can decide for yourself.
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SF also won 4 of 5
the bias thing is tricky. I do not know about the east coast thing, but I know these sportscasters are just desperate to slobber all over the winner. Before the game, they guess. During the game, they flip-flop. And at the end of the game, they act like they knew it and are in love with the winner.
What’s up with the slow article feed at BBV? FEED ME
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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 22, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Winning the games at the end certainly is great going into the playoffs
But it also extends to things like:
The real state of the defense, if you avg giving up 24 on the season, and over your last 4 against good teams it’s 12. It’s more likely you’ll give up 12-14 than 21-24. same with the offense. Of course it holds true for the Niners as well, and you can have contrary indications, but it’s the best way to get an idea of whats to come, as opposed to looking at full season stats.
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well, IMHO
we gave up 0 to the Falcons and 6 to the Packers.
Let’s meet our playoff average and hold San Fran to 3!
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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 22, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions

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