49ers Vs. Giants, 2012 NFC Championship Game: A Chat With Big Blue View
The 49ers and Giants get going in 48 hours and I thought it would be fun to chat with Ed Valentine from Big Blue View. Ed also runs SB Nation New York, so you can get double your Giants coverage if you are so inclined. Ed put together a piece ranking the final four quarterbacks and he had Alex Smith third and Joe Flacco fourth. Needless to say, that has Ravens fans just a little bit fired up.
I chatted with Ed earlier this morning and have copied and pasted the discussion below. My apologies for spelling errors and the like. This was a bit more interesting than just exchanging five questions as we could transition in and out of topics. Thanks to Ed and Big Blue View as we get ready for Sunday's huge showdown.
Niners Nation: I guess the best start, is how have the Giants changed since Week Ten?
Big Blue View: Well, two things. One is health and the second is confidence. When the teams met the first time, Michael Boley went down with an injury, Prince Amukamara wasn't back yet and Justin Tuck wasn't close to healthy. Defensively, they are as healthy as they can be at this point. They shut out the Falcons. They gave up 20 points to Green Bay, and would have only given up six without Green Bay getting the help of two horrible calls. So, they feel good about themselves defensively.
Actually, a third thing. They are running the ball better. They did finish last in the league in rushing, but for the past five or six weeks they have at least been adequate running the ball. me: one side question real quick. ESPN lists Osi as having a sack in that game. Is that a mistake?
NN: For the 49ers, since week ten, the 49ers have released wide receiver Braylon Edwards. He was brought in to be a big deep threat and a knee injury ended most any chance of that. The 49ers wide receivers have been a bit limited at times due to injuries, leaving Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis as their most consistent receiving threats Frank Gore was banged up in that game and left after the first half with a knee injury. He is still a bit banged up, but the bye week helped rest him up.
Ray McDonald was limited with a hamstring injury prior to week ten but ended up playing. In a bit of a coincidence, he injured his hamstring in Week 17 and while he will play, he is a bit limited as well
But the big difference for this team is just having more time to bring their units together. They have been implementing their offense on the fly thanks to the lockout and the time has helped improve the passing game to a certain extent
BBV: Tell me how 49ers fans feel about Alex Smith at this point.
NN: 49ers fans have been on a roller coaster with Alex through the years and right now fans are pretty thrilled with him. He has had his moments this season, but this was on the biggest stage with significant pressure against arguably the best quarterback in the NFL
It will be interesting to see what kind of response a poor performance would get, but at Niners Nation most people went all in with Alex on that touchdown
BBV: Tell me how you see the weather impacting Sunday's game? Lousy conditions would be an advantage for which team?
NN: My initial thought on the weather was that it favors the 49ers ground it out style. If this became a battle in the trenches, my initial thought was that the 49ers rushing attack would be the difference. However, upon further reflection, you could argue the passing game could benefit. I heard one suggestion that cornerbacks having to react in muddy conditions are at a disadvantage against wide receivers running forward. Additionally, there is the idea that it could slow down the pass rush to a certain extent. If that were the case, I could see the Giants passing attack actually benefiting.
I think the big question will be on punt returns. With bad conditions, there is a chance for returner fumbles and there is also the chance that a coverage player slips in the mud and opens up a lane Speaking of weather, how do the Giants perform in rainy weather? Have they had any such opportunities this year?
BBV: Not really this season that I can recall. The simple issue for me with weather comes down to the big play and whether or not the Giants can hit them. They are an offense dependent on receivers getting yards after catch or running backs getting a big chunk, and I don't know how the conditions will impact that.
NN: I've got a QB question for you. Eli Manning seemed to have some great protection at times against the Packers. How does he perform when the pass rush is a bit more effective and he is forced to scramble and throw?
BBV: Well, Eli had great protection at times and crappy protection at others. One of the great misunderstood things about Eli and the Giants offensive line is how bad they are, and how good he makes them look. He is terrific at getting the ball out quickly, at finding the right running plays to take advantage of defensive alignments and at moving very subtly in the pocket to find himself space to throw. He makes that offensive line look much better than it actually is. Giants fans don't really like to see Eli running around. Bad things have happened in the past in those situations, but this year he has been much more careful with the ball.
NN: Will Ahmad Bradshaw play on Sunday and if so, what can we expect the Giants to attempt with the run game
BBV: Sure, there's no reason he won't play. He has been limited in practice for weeks now so as not to aggravate the foot injury he has dealt with much of the year, but he shows up on Sunday. The Giants will do what they do in the run game. A little Bradshaw, a little Brandon Jacobs, an occasional shotgun draw with D.J. Ware. Some play-action. At this point all they want is enough success running the ball that the 49ers have to play run and pass. They don't want to see Manning throwing 50 times.
BBV: Are you expecting Ted Ginn to pay Sunday? The Niners have an advantage on special teams, I think, and without Ginn that would seem to help the Giants a bit.
NN: He seems to be the most questionable of the 49ers injury concerns and I would be a bit surprised to see him play. Kyle William will handle punt returns. He has been decent enough but has not had the game-breaking plays of Ginn, so that would seem to benefit the Giants.
His absence also leaves the 49ers a bit limited at wide receiver. They would have Michael Crabtree, Kyle Williams, Brett Swain and Joe Hastings as their four receivers. Not exactly Cruz-Nicks-Manningham
BBV: Last question for me ... how do you see the game playing out, and what is your prediction?
NN: My prediction this week has been 23-20. While I think Eli Manning will get plenty of yards, I think the 49ers red zone defense is able to contain the Giants offense down close. The 49ers showed an ability to win a shootout last week against the Saints, but that really isn't their style. Ideally the defense and special teams dominate and Alex Smith keeps his steady hand on the offense
NN: The Giants have been chirping a little bit in the media in part because of Vernon Davis' mention of wanting them over the Packers (home-field purposes). Have the Giants been a team that talks a bit?
BBV: Well, that's funny that you bring that up. There seems to be an impression (yes, Dontae Whitner I am pointing my finger at you) that the Giants talk a lot of trash. That surprises me because around these parts the Giants have the rep as the team that tends to its business and lets the Jets make idiots of themselves with their braggadoccio.
I think that Davis started this and the Giants simply responded. I also think that in large part the Giants have simply answered questions this week, they haven't gone out of their way to rip the 49ers or make predictions or anything like that. I mean, when somebody asks Justin Tuck 'Do you think you can win in San Francisco this weekend?' what is he supposed to say?
NN: I happen to agree with you. I wrote something about the bulletin board material that really isn't bulletin board material. Leave it to the Jets :)
BBV: Antrel Rolle may have gone too far with his 'we can't be beat,' but shouldn't he feel that way? He shouldn't have said it, but he should feel good about his team. me: Exactly. If you don't think you'll win, you shouldn't be playing
NN: Alright, last question. How do you see the game playing out and what is your final prediction?
BBV: Well, considering the way the season has gone and the types of teams these are I can't see anything other than a nail-biter that comes right down to the end. I have been predicting 27-24 Giants all week. While I think that score might be a tad high, actually, I would say this. If you guys want to win, do not give Eli Manning the ball last with a second chance to beat you. In that scenario, I would be seriously stunned if the Giants don't win the game.
NN: Justin Smith disagrees :) That's about the extent of my trash talk
BBV: Well, the only thing I will say about that is that if the incredibly obvious pass interference call on Jake Ballard by Patrick Willis had been called on that final play Manning would have beaten you the last time. Since when is it legal to lower your helmet, wrap both arms around a guy and basically tackle him to keep him from getting into his pass route?
BBV: Anyway, I'm good ... enjoy the game on Sunday
NN: Thanks, you too
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Ugh.
That last BBV statement comes off as so whiny and petty. You lost. Get over it.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
If something of that magnitude happened during the Saints game we would be doing the same thing.
by Anonymous1337 on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ifs and buts and candy and nuts.
If the refs were competent in the NYG-AZ game the Giants likely don’t make the playoffs. I don’t understand what good complaining about it two months after the fact does.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
THANK YOU
I wish someone remind them of that EVERY time i hear a Giant player, coach, or fan make a complaint about officiating. They might have “conveniently” forgotten, but the rest of America hasn’t!!!
So one call going the Giants way
Makes up for the countless bad calls that cost us games in the regular season against the Packers, the last drive non-call against SF, and the ridiculous calls against the Jets (which we overcame those to win). We’ll trade win for definite win Arizona for the Pack…and we still get in, so don’t point to that one play that truly is a referees judgment and say we can’t complain about the BS refereeing we had to fight through in both Packer games and particularly the Jet game.
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There was no missed call in the game vs SF
Actually, the refs gave you guys a little break on the opening drive by supposedly blowing a quick whistle that overturned Whitner’s forced fumble (recovered by SF). That gave you 3 points.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Yeah
there was. Defensive holding instead of PI, but yardage would have been the same and it would have been first down. Go watch the play again.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 22, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
I did. Not holding. Great jam on a TE inside 5-yds. Easy to see.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
What good does complaining about the complaining do?
by Anonymous1337 on Jan 20, 2012 12:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't see it as a necessary part of the exchange
In what was otherwise an informative piece. So I made my thoughts on the original post known. That’s why there’s a comments section, right?
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Hey, if it did that
Then it was worth it.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Worse is that he's wrong on 2 counts
First, it wasn’t PI. Likely not even holding as it was inside 5 yards. Know the rules BBV.
Secondly, as penatly gives the Giants a chance to tie the game, not win it. Against the best red zone defense, there’s no guarantee they score at all since the Niners had already stopped them in the red zone twice earlier. If they do succedd, Alex need only get his team into FG range against a below average secondary.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
You can hit within 5 yards
But you can’t wrap up…and tackle a guy going out for a pass if he doesn’t have the ball…check YOUR rule book
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Yea, that's not remotely what happened though
Ballard got crushed at the line with a totally legal hit. There was no wrap. There was no hold. Moreover, the thing had no impact on the play whatsoever. It’s pretty rediculous for Giants fans to try to blame that loss on the refs, but as we have seen, that’s what they do.
I'm not blaming it on the refs...
Even after that we still had to score, then try to win in overtime. A lot of things had to happen for us to win. I’m just saying it was a bad no call…it was clearly a hold
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Fine, but I simply don't see that in the photo nor did I on the replays and it wasn't even a close call
The blue line running through your photo there that Ballard is still behind as he’s getting lit up is the line of srimmige, ok. That means Ballard had almost no momentum at that point, something that was utterly obvious in the replays. There would’ve been no reason for Willis to hold Ballard there when he hit him so cleanly which clearly totally stifled whatever small amount of momentum he’d managed to gather in a half step.
As to whether this is blaming the result on the ref, clearly it is. It was the play that ended the game effectively, and it’s the thing that came up when Fooch made the comment about Eli not being able to win it for the Giants the last time. So while I accept it may be a nuanced view, it’s still a view that ultimately blames the refs for the loss, which is absurd.
It blames the refs for not giving the Giants
the first down and additional opportunities they deserved.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 22, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
It's funny that
NYG fans all seem to think P Willy wrapped him up on the play. He hit him low, and hand fought with him, nowhere were Willis’ arms wrapping around Ballard. Willis actually lifted Ballard off the ground slightly with the contact being so low and Ballard being so tall.
by itsAteamGAME on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
The picture I posted down below begs to differ...I'll post it again here

Arm around the legs
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are you blind?
His left arm is in space, not even touching him. His right arm is not visible, but you would probably see at least his hand if he wrapped up.
if willis actually wrapped him that low,
Ballard would have gone down.
by itsAteamGAME on Jan 20, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Ballard did basically go down
he stumbled to the ground.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 22, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
Because Willis is stronger
Not his fault that Ballard couldn’t handle such a viscious jam. But few are like Willis so he will rarely have to deal with that.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Yup , he's the leader ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Yeah, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with this.
This picture clearly shows Willis driving his right shoulder into Ballard’s gut.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Yeah- arm to the SIDE of the legs
Not even TOUCHING the legs.
You guys REALLY want that excuse, dontcha?
by TortureOpp on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perfectly legal
here is a good video with angle in which you can see his left arm glance off of Ballard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tz_mhqZf4Q
As you will see Patrick Willis lowers his right shoulder, but neither his left nor his right arm are “encircling the player” or restricting his movement. It’s pretty simple, Ballard is trying to take an inside route and Patrick Willis takes it away from him with an effective, if unorthodox, jam. There is next to zero force being applied with his left arm, it’s all on his right shoulder. Use of hands rule:
I can see how it looks like a wrap
It’s a tough play because the technique Willis used is pretty unique. You don’t see that kind of “jam” very often.
by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yet another example of PW's greatness
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
I did. It says a shoulder jam is not a hold
No matter how much you want(ed) it to be.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
6 points for a TD. 2 point conversion if successful.
That results in a win. Since you can’t say what would have happened in the conclusion if that possibility, Your second point is negated.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 21, 2012 10:48 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Lucky day for you , the Game is on right now , so can see how WRONG you and DavidE are ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Since the statement was declared as fact..
The point still stands. Defending it makes the defender look foolish.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
Not defending...
Simply pointing out a flaw in your argument. Nothing more.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 21, 2012 8:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I here ya , what a whinny thing to say ...
… Well, the only thing I will say about that is that if the incredibly obvious pass interference call on Jake Ballard by Patrick Willis …!!
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… Slow Your Roll Bro , Just Slow Your Roll …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Davis "Started this?"
Hardly. He was asked a question in an interview on national TV, and he was rooting for the Giants for homefield purposes. That’s not “starting” anything…lol
"We're not into answering questions"
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 20, 2012 12:27 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Agree
Dude’s acting like Giants have been humble. They’ve been talking a ton of crap this week. Just trying to hype themselves up I guess.
by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with this
Why wouldn’t he root for a home game?
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Precisely
So to say the Giants players were responding to what Davis “started” is disingenuous. It’s funny cuz the Giants were rooting for the Niners to beat the Saints too. What’s that say?
by mr. instigator on Jan 20, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Who wants to be crowned "NFC CHAMPION" ?
Simply will come down to who is more determined & pridefull.
49ers or Giants…..stay tuned!
Is he talking about the batted ball???
No PI on tipped passes!!
And Eli definitely would have won the game
By tying the game? it would have been OT!
by dozybolox13 on Jan 20, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
It happened before the pass
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 22, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
There will be Blood
What flavor of milkshake do you think Harbaugh prefers?
Blue berry !!!
Un-like last year, I am Not going to try and predict the record for 49ers! Just that we will win the NFC west this Year...
Little whiny there at the end
Wash that sour taste out of my mouth. David subtly threw something out there and Ed’s “braggadoccio” was obviously upset by the comment
The Teal is Real
Still much more humble than the Saints guy lat week.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 20, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Have fun.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 20, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think
you are using the word “braggadocio” correctly there.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 22, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
I thought Justin Smith was the intended receiver on that last play
since he had the best chance to catch the ball.
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I’d expect better from a guy that runs two websites…Donta? Really? A little petty and not very objective from such an important writer.
It is clear to me that any ‘trash talk’ has been perpetuation by taking comments out of context, mostly done by the media. It is there job to hype up the game so it is expected that they’d do this, but to insinuate either side ‘started it’ is pretty disingenuous IMO.
Also just for fun I’d like to add:
If you guys want to win, do not give Eli Manning the ball last with a second chance to beat you. In that scenario, I would be seriously stunned if the Giants don’t win the game.
We could say the same about Alex Smith, while not as impressive as Eli he has led 6 comeback wins after all.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Clarification
The Donta part isn’t petty, just a simple mistake, kind of lazy. Some of the other stuff is seems like petty fan reaction rather than objective analysis.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
by Virginia9er on Jan 20, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
ROFL
Except Patrick didn’t wrap his arms around him, he just popped him with his shoulder
by mrg80 on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I guess New Yorkers no longer recognize great, physical defense.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
THIS
That is exactly what I was going to say he definitely lowered the shoulder but did NOT wrap his arms around him.
by 49ers_Lakers_Yankees on Jan 20, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Other teams...
Apparently forget that “hitting” is a part of playing football…lol
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by LooseCannon79 on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like a wrap around the legs to me

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This is a terrible picture
Don’t you have one that shows anything conclusive?
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All I have to say is this:
The Giants were not the team I wanted to see in this game. I fear this team more than any other in the league (with only Baltimore even close) and I don’t think homefield advantage is enough of a trade-off to face NY instead of GB.
Simply put, I’m not confident. As far as I can tell, this game is a coin-flip and I don’t like those odds.
Also, my respect to BBV and fans… great site and a classy group of fans.
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by TryAndCatchVD on Jan 20, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
The trash talking is definitely over exaggerated
I think there are more former players talking than anyone. Let the media do what they do, take things out of context. You can make anyone sound like a total douche if you add and subtract a few select words. But Harbaugh has made it very clear that he doesn’t want the team to get caught up in that and just go play the game. Once again, good job Fooche. You always know how to be honest, respectful, and informative while still being very loyal.
I agree
for each team, the media is asking them double sided questions that they have to respond too.
Thus the media gets to say that team is trash talking… if they dont answer, the media gets to say they lack pride, or they have already thrown in the towel.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Weather & Ginn
Poor weather will help which ever team gets the early lead, allowing them to take fewer chances and play field position if they choose to (which both coaches are good at doing).
As for Ginn, if he plays I suspect that JH will save him for kick returns and use him less on offense. The advantage he brings to the return game would be a huge loss if he got hurt again on a pass reception.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
If they just had him take fair catches all game I'd be ok with that
Kyle Williams has been a nice contributor this year but having him thrust into doing all kick return duties in a huge game with a wet football makes me a little nervous.
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 20, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not as nervous as say...
A couple years ago with Arnaz Battle. I would cringe every time there was a punt when he was back there.
I agree
Got a good feeling about this one. Not being an arrogant fan, just feel like the 49ers are more solid all around and they are at home. Sometimes it’s just your year. And sometimes it’s just not your decade which is why the wait for a return to success has brought out the fire in this team. They are starved for it and there is no reason to hold anything back at this point. In the beginning of the season I couldn’t get why Harbaugh was being so conservative at times, now his master plan is fully evident. To slowly introduce the offense and not to tip his hand as of yet. I think the 49ers offense is gonna sizzle this week, rain or shine!
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
by moto9er on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Our Defense is going to have a coming out party!!
They have the attention around the league and nation of sorts, but we havent scored touchdowns on defense. This game I think the defense not only contains the Giants, but score us some points too! Its about time that happens. INT or fumble recovery for a TD, maybe 2. That will be the difference in the game.
NYG IS HOT TIE NOW?
Wken we met in Nov weren’t they comming off a 3 game winning streak and the week b4 beat the Pats in foxboro
by ndsf1994 on Jan 20, 2012 1:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Was a good post
Until the whined about the call in the last game. Why did that need to be brought up?
Actually, I didn't take it as snarky
It was a clever retort…if we were having the conversation, I would have commented, “Well played, sir.”
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Ummm
shouldn’t you be instigating?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't the snark
It was the [Decorum]-damn smiley faces
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by TryAndCatchVD on Jan 20, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Niners and Giants fans
are both class, I will be OK with whoever wins the NFC Championship Game, just so long as they play the Ravens in Indianapolis, the Patriots are the only “bad guys” left. May the best team win!
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM PST reply actions
I thought it was
a valid comment to the fact that we left Eli time last game and you even added a smiley lol
Good god
Giants fans are so freaking whiney. They were talking about the botched FG attempt at the end of the 2003 WC game wen I was there a few days ago. Seriously, he was an ineligible receiver downfield… so it doesnt matter if he was tackled.
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 20, 2012 2:27 PM PST reply actions
They have a persecution complex when it comes to the officiating
which wasn’t at all helped by that absolutely horrid non-reversal of Jennings fumble.
To me, it’s fine to be critical of NFL officiating, not just because it’s not so good, which is definitely true, but also because it tends to influence outcomes in non-random ways (some teams seem to get away with more than others, etc.).
But it’s only fine to a point, and that point is when you get into conspiracy territory, a point many Giant fans have flown by with reckless abandon. Game threads over there more or less sound like, ‘the league doesn’t want us in’ blah blah. And that I don’t believe and frankly find really annoying. Also, when you take BS like the phantom hold on Willis and claim thatt it decided the game, then you really have problems. To me, that’s just, wow.
All fans complain about officiating, it is just very doubtful the refs are ever a direct reason the game is won or lost. As long as people make that distinction I have no problem with complaining, provided there is some argument either way.
Also the idea that a game may be fixed is a bit ludicrous, it isn’t easy to do at all in football.
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Giants fans aren't terribly whiny
that Jennings non-fumble was a sham, you want conspiracy theorists, look across the bay to the Faiders
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, you don’t set a record for penalties in a season without some legitimate effort on your own part.
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I'm a Broncos fan
you know I’ll hate on the Silver and Whack :)
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 20, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I could care less about 03...
But the receiver was eligible. He was a lineman but was lined up at TE on FGs. Nfl issued an apology to the Giants after the game.
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by bleedblue12 on Jan 21, 2012 6:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Wrong on the most basic point
he actually was an eligible receiver. That’s the why the NFL apologized to the team that week.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Damnit
Craig Carton picked us this morning to win outright also. I was hoping nobody would pick us again (except Boomer of course). Well, the majority is still picking against us.
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
3 of 4 ESPN Countdown guys picked the Giants
Only Chris Carter picked the Niners, but that may change by Sunday. Last week they all went Saints on Saturday after their site showed a 50/50 split.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We dat team that beat them Saints!
I notice we're not actually having a discussion
Can we accept that neither side is happy with how the writing ended above, and move forward.
A couple questions for the Giants fans:
1) Eli got fantastic pass protection during the last Super Bowl run. This line, to me, looks leakier, but it also seems like Eli has improved a lot as a QB. How do you feel about the time he’s getting to throw?
2) Brandon Jacobs or Bradshaw: Which do you think has more potential to gain consistent yards against our (ridiculous) front seven, and why?
3) How much has JPP’s development helped this team qualify for and then play so well in the playoffs? That guy (Gruden voice) is ridiculous.
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As a Giant fan I will answer
Yes, I apologize for my previous posts…it’s living in the past and as you said it’s time to move forward.
1) Our O-line is MUCH worse than our last playoff run, but Eli has hidden it with his improved play
2) Neither. We may get a lucky run here or there, but your run defense is exceptional while our O-line is not good enough to get a consistant push. But if I had to pick one, I say Bradshaw…he just keeps churning and gets yards where other backs can’t
3) JPP has been instrumental down the stretch. Even if he isn’t the one making the play, he is occupying the O-line so someone else can
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Good takes all aroound.
I am so sick of reading about this game, I want to watch it! This is gonna be a great game, even the team which makes all the right moves could lose based on the bounce of a loose ball or a bad call by the refs. Playoff football is so similar to poker it’s crazy. Some days you make all the right calls and still lose to lady luck. Whatever happens in this one, I hope both teams leave it all out on the field!
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
You guys got a good one in JPP
It was funny how he and Gholston looked like very similar types of prospects coming out of college, but Gholston couldn’t make the field, and Paul has flourished- I’m sure he has good mentors, much like Aldon Smith has come on well as a rookie.
One more question: I remember watching Strahan’s “We stomped you out” speech, and realizing just what that team in ’07 seemed so fiery and motivated.
Since he retired, has any particular player replaced him, or is the team still looking for that voice? I ask both out of curiosity, and because, in the past couple seasons, the Giants have been incredibly inconsistent. Who keeps them on their toes on the current squad?
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Questions for Giants fans:
1) Do you think the Giants are scared of the 49ers hard hitting defense?
2) When it comes gametime do you expect the Giants to test the 49ers like the Saints did and run straight into us, or do you think they will try to run away from us?
3) So you know who Fredie P. Soft is, and whose sideline do you think he is going to be on this Sunday?
4) If Eli and Alex (no one jumping in) were to get into a bar brawl who do you think would be the first to walk away and say, " you know what – this is the stupid thing I’ve ever heard of. I don’t get drunk and fight in bars"?
Ok that last question was a little leading, the answer is Alex. Alex would probably leave that scenario before Tim Tebow could turn the other cheek. I couldn’t speak for Eli though, do you think he would get into a drunk brawl?
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What are you talking about?
Those questions are borderline insulting. The Giants are a tested playoff team, they aren’t “scared” of the 49ers defense. They are gonna come into SF jacked up for a throwdown. I’m done with this board today. Out.
A. Smith + tiger blood + Harbaugh = #winning
So I found the border then?
I think they are actually some questions both teams should have an answer for by 3:30 Sunday afternoon.
"When they pull the chains off, I’ll come back just as strong as when I left, if not better" - 52
Breathe deeply sir
It’s football.
That, and I don’t think we actually affect the outcome by talking about it as fans. Only by lurking outside the practice facility, waiting to chloroform Hakeem Nicks as he is leaving, could we affect the outcome.
You know…not that I’ve thought about it or anything.
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
I see what you did there.
Wrecked!
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree on #4
Alex Smith is either the most even-keeled human being who has ever lived, or, after all he’s been through, has a deep reservoir of pure rage bubbling just beneath the surface. My vote is for the latter.
I think he probably hulks out, and throws his opponent through the window into the parking lot…
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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 20, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
that would be pretty epic
it would make for a compelling story
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by the new Bradfather on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
this feels like a heavyweight fight. lets get it on!!!
i cant wait for sunday. lets go 49ERS!!!
Coach Harbaugh is the truth!!
We are giving BBV a bad time for complaining about refs
It is has been my experience that every site thinks that their team gets the short end of the stick (except the Pats, what do they have to complain about) when it comes to penalties. Every other post at Pride of Detroit is about how the league is fixed against them. Canal Street was going crazy last week.
It is the nature of fans.
What I don’t get is if the league is against every team then who are they cheating for?
It is almost like refs are human and make mistakes sometimes. And fans are human and don’t like it when things don’t go their way so they complain.
I have to say one of the things I like about NN is that we don’t spend half of our time crying about refs. Maybe it is because we have been winning, but it just makes it a much nicer place to be.
Can you imagine a little kid just standing there and getting picked on. They get rocks thrown at them. Spit on them. Alex’s just one of those guys, he’s been there. I just wish him all the best. I want to see him successful. I just want to see all good things happen to that guy. Because he is a warrior.-VD
It's fun to mess with guys who do the bad call tango
Bad calls usually affect both teams during a game. I remember after the game in Detroit thinking we got some bad calls. After watching some of the game over I realized they got hosed just as much as we did.
The Giants really did have some bad ones last week, but the Patrick Willis one they are pointing out…I think he had a legal hit going on there, it was right at the line, and I don’t see any wrap up at all. If the ref don’t see it, he can’t call it.
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I've seen some BAD calls on our side this year
I think it is due to us winning though that there are less complaints. In all honesty, with few exceptions (*cough*PATRIOTS*cough*) the bad calls have been on both sides of most games.
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What were the Saints fans complaining about?
Didn’t they have a clean sheet as far as fouls?
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 22, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Big hits
Since the Saints don’t actually play defense their fans didn’t know what it looked like. They don’t understand the helmet to helmet rules (not that anybody really understands them because the NFL seems to make them up as they go to a certain extent) and so they were crying about some of the hits.
They went a little crazy about Donte Witner putting Pierre Thomas to sleep among some others.
Can you imagine a little kid just standing there and getting picked on. They get rocks thrown at them. Spit on them. Alex’s just one of those guys, he’s been there. I just wish him all the best. I want to see him successful. I just want to see all good things happen to that guy. Because he is a warrior.-VD
yes!!! skip bayless
Picked the giants to win, that almost guarantees us a superbowl appearance… Life is good
by Clark_Kent on Jan 20, 2012 4:46 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Kirwan picked the Giants too.
Life is good. :-)
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I happen to like (most of) the Giants fans
Reading here during the last Giants-Niners matchup I saw that the Giants fans were actually reasonable. I fully expect them to be confident, especially now! They have had an incredible run. This will be a slugging match, but my feeling is the Niners head on towards number 6.
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The Giants defense is playing at a whole new level compared to last game.
If we can beat the Giant’s D, I am confident we will have no trouble with the Ravens or the Patriots. This game is pretty hard to predict, I wouldn’t even try. If the 49ers play like they did last weekend minus giving up quick scores, they should be able to win it.
Given the physical nature of the Giants team I would rather see the 49ers kick it up about 2 notches from last week though.
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