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49ers 2012 Offseason: Alex Smith And The Wide Receivers, Chicken Or Egg?

While Kyle Williams is getting much of the blame for the 49ers loss yesterday, one of the more notable story lines coming out of yesterday's game was that the 49ers wide receivers had a grand total of one reception for three yards. Michael Crabtree hauled in a short third down pass that came up just short of needed first down yardage and that was it for the day. Kyle Williams had a reception earlier that was negated by a defense illegal contact penalty.

The 49ers biggest game-breaker this season has been Vernon Davis, and that was the case once again on Sunday as he had two big touchdown receptions to keep the 49ers in this game until the end. Unfortunately, the wide receivers were almost non-existent in the receiving side of things.

As I was watching the game, it seemed like a variety of issues were in play. Without the all-22 film that actually allows us to view the entire field of play (thanks for nothing NFL), we can only say so much about the play of the 49ers receivers. At times it seemed like they struggled to get off the line, at times they seemed to struggle to get needed separation. Frank Gore had a strong game receiving the ball and the 49ers may have game-planned accordingly, but I can't believe there was any plan that saw the wide receivers see so few passes their way during the game.

On the other side of things, there were several instances of Alex Smith throwing the ball into the ground in front of his receivers or past their outstretched hands. I don't think either Smith or the receivers deserve all the blame because both Alex Smith and the receivers struggled in Sunday's game.

As we look ahead to the offseason, the 49ers have plenty of free agents to deal with, including wide receivers Joshua Morgan and Ted Ginn Jr. I do think bringing back a healthy Morgan would be a significant step in the right direction for this team. Before his injury he seemed to be taking a solid step forward. One question then is whether adding a big name in free agency or with the team's first round pick would be enough to get this offense to take a step forward.

I still am of the belief that a full offseason alone would be huge for this offense, but there does still seem to be some sort of disconnect that might need more than just time to improve. After six months of Harbaugh-Roman football, I am not really quite sure what to think about all this. I don't think any one person or unit should be completely dumped on, but there is some significant discussion that does need to take place for this offense to take some kind of "next step."

We'll have plenty of posts this offseason about potential wide receivers and any adjustments on offense, but for now, I wanted to open the floor for some general discussion. After a season of dominance on defense, it is a fair question to wonder what the offense will do to at least find some manner of consistency.

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Wide Receivers

A lot of Alex’s misses came because he was making the safe throw away/throwing the ball where only his receiver could catch it. He had some bad throws, but there’s almost no doubt in my mind that if I watched the all-22 film, I’d put this one squarely on the receivers

also, did we ever have more than two WRs on the field? I don’t think I saw Swain or Hastings the entire game

by foosball4949 on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

Think you're both right here...

Harbaugh got AS playing within himself this year. And, importantly, without making bonehead throws. As such, and in a tight, tight game last night, Alex was throwing balls at times where no one could catch it. He needs to improve on some of these “dicey” throws, for sure. But as we saw in the Saints game he is capable when he’s in rhythm and trusts his receiver. Sadly he and Crab don’t have that understanding—-yet.

"We want to win with numbing repetition." -- Jim Harbaugh

by four-nine heavy on Jan 23, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

if film shows that nobody was

open — on some replays he did appear to have some open WRs, but a lot of them, particularly his throw aways, it appeared he did not — then it actually isn’t on Smith.

by salary_cap on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

You can't know without evaluating the All-22 tape...

You just can’t.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

In fairness, though...

…it sure looked that way on the replays they did show us.

by Bigmouth on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Not really...

The All-22 shows each play from the very start…

Coaches might watch each play 20-times (or more!) to figure out exactly what happened and who was responsible for what on any given play.

Keep in mind… The Broadcasts are merely ENTERTAINMENT. The “analysts”, whether they be ex-players or not, they know what they’re saying is just a “guess” until being scrutinized by film review.

Look at how everyone talks about how “GREAT” the 49ers OL is… We all know that’s FAR FROM THE TRUTH, despite the fact of a 14-4 record, Staley to the Pro Bowl and 3 1st Round picks.

Doesn’t mean it doesn’t get REPORTED differently.

Just like Alex vs. the Saints…

“SMITH OUTDUELS BREES” is a much sexier headline than “SMITH INCONSISTENT BUT DELIVERS LATE IN THE 4th”…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't NFL.com have some exploratory surveys to gauge interest

on selling All-22 footage online earlier this season? Wonder if they’ll ever pursue that (assuming it doesn’t conflict with any exclusivity clauses in their current TV contracts).

by dgriot on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I think there was an NYTimes article earlier in the year about

my reading was the all-22 won’t be available until the NFL needs to raise new revenues. Right now the TV contracts are so lucrative and the NFL so popular they don’t want to mess with success.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

well if the Giants have every option covered on every 3rd down we didn't deserve to win then and they have a great D

We also had the 31st ranked 3rd down conversion rate in the league…it’s a HUGE issue that needs to be addressed regardless of who you want to blame.

by Coretete on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I 100 percent agree with that

addressing it requires film study that should reveal what portion of the problem is QB, WR, play calling, or some bad luck.

by salary_cap on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly, this is our normal offense

We just didn’t get the turnover and therefore short fields we are used to having. Alex Smith just doesn’t do long sustained drives for 80 yards and a score.

Last week was the fluke, this week was the norm.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

How was last week the Fluke

If anything that was the norm for Alex, same as yesterdays game (if he isnt turning the ball over) His accuracy is on, and off throughout the whole game.

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Weldon Drew

by EcERyda69 on Jan 23, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

i believe we had like 3-4 3rd down conversions

but we elected to take a penalty yards instead, not a big difference just sayin

by Frisco_Kid on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Uh...

I don’t think so.

You convert via penalty, it’s still counted as a successful “conversion”.

98% sure I’m correct about that…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

damn it Merlin, peeked my curiousity and had too look it up...

we did convert one more 3rd down in the 2nd Quarter on a 3rd and 2, we converted a 4 yard pass to KW and had a 5 yard illegal use of hands and took the penalty…

so now we know

by Frisco_Kid on Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

So no conversion credited, I guess?

Huh… Interesting.

Isn’t there a STAT for 3rd Downs converted by PENALTY, though? Makes no sense…

I’m good w/baseball stats… Football stats and the lack or reason involved w/evaluating many of them, just gives me a headache…

;-D

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Worse

The official scorekeeper, the home scorekeeper, the visiting scorekeeper, and the stat companies will all be slightly different in how they score the game.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't surprise me you didn't know what you were talking about again

I was going to correct you but he did it for me. Typical.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

well HELLO there! I've missed you!!!

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree stunk it up in this one. He couldn’t get open in single coverage leaving the giants able to double Vernon quite often. Crabtree also quit several times once the play started going to the other side of the field. He didn’t cost us the game but he didn’t do us any favors either.

by Mukkeluk on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what I saw in person too

He took too long to get into his pattern (doing multiple moves in those first five yards or getting knocked off by the defender) and with the pressure Smith had, he wasn’t a practical option very often.

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-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
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by achiappanza on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

My ass too

What does he want? He wants Alex to just chuck it up and hope for the best? Nonsense. Maybe if he was 6’5" I would buy that. Otherwise, get some separation and you get the ball.

by Nohandle on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed...

Crabtree isn’t a number 1 receiver. I seriously hope they’ll explore the free agent market and find a receiver with break away speed that fits into a team concept. There’s gotta be one we can get signed:

2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) – The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they’re in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn’t have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) – Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It’s safe to say heÕs Brady’s favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) – Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there’s any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there’s a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) – Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they’ll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson’s vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles’ offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) – One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He’s a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He’s a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) – When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He’s an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he’s available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they’re even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) – Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills’ long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) – Lloyd’s next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn’t been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league’s largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) – Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He’s a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) – With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith’s decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there’s no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) – Restricted – No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He’s improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers’ offense.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

by ESSJPeteDawg on Jan 23, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Great write-up!

You should post this as a fan post.

by Bigmouth on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

or credit the source

Over

by cybermaldonado on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL!!!

Sorry was looking to take credit, just a source so us “hurting” 49er fans can look forward to this off season.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

by ESSJPeteDawg on Jan 23, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for that

I’m sure that’s the list a lot of us have been looking for this morning.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

V. Jax is interesting

but not a guy we want in the locker room. Also, is more of a big play guy which doesn’t appeal to Alex Smith’s skillset.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly don't think

temperament would affect decision. Jim Harbaugh has shown that he can get even divas like Crabtree to buy into the team system. Crabs actually blocked this year, and the rest of the team has also become a more close knit group. I’m sure he could get a D-Jax or Vincent Jackson to buy into his system. Plus, Bowe really reminds me Braylon. Not that Braylon was bad (injuries really took their toll) but its bad luck

by merothehero on Jan 23, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Bowe is probably my favorite on this list

Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.

by fjm on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

qualifer

heavily weighted towards the ability to actually sign

Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.

by fjm on Jan 23, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Why no on Colston?

I like Colstons play. And Stevie Johnson would be awesome, yes hes a little rough around the edges off the field but boy does he have some hands (minus that huge TD drop in 09) with great routes…plus hes a local kid from Fairfield Ca

by Frisco_Kid on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Colston is amazing

but he has a gruesome injury history. That’d probably be the biggest concern. I like Bowe a lot. Obviously, KC will try to keep him, but he is a game changer. He produced even with a crappy QB most of the season.

by axelfoley on Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

We should get

TWO people on this list, not one.

by Yoshi11 on Jan 23, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Except for Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe I don't see a guy on this list that would be worth a big signing

I also wonder how many would want Alex Smith throwing them the ball. Every big name WR signing the 49ers have made the last few years has done WORSE than they did previous years.

I doubt Johnson or Bowe would leave their current teams though.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That's because they have to learn a new system, play with a new QB, etc.

And their value is grossly inflated by the FA market. It’s hard to live up to their new contract no matter how they perform unless they follow it up with another career year.

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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Free agents will want to be coming here now, especially with all the new guys we brought in last season who will be able to relate their positive experiences to free agents this offseason.

Bowe would be my #1 target. The guy can flat-out catch the ball. That’s what we need more than anything. He’s also athletic enough to just have Alex heave it up there and let Bowe do the work of coming down with the ball.

Maybe Bowe wants to stay in KC, maybe not. I don’t see how getting passes thrown to you by Matt Cassel would be all that appealing. And KC is never going to win a Super Bowl… or even get to one. The 49ers, meanwhile, have multiple Super Bowls in their future.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS

I think I’m in the minority here, but to me Crabtree has never embraced Alex, and their lack of chemistry on the field is no surprise to me. His comments last night seemed to me to be all about lack of play calling, and Alex not throwing his way – he never said a word about being tightly covered. I can’t figure out who this guy is – super talented, mis-understood guy, or over-rated immature player?

by mwright84 on Jan 23, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You're on to something...

I didn’t understand Roman’s play calling. Why didn’t he call just one quick slant? Hell, just to get the Giants thinking about it. Calling a pass play isn’t just enough, why have 5 or 7 step drop passing plays? It boggled my mind.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

by ESSJPeteDawg on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree fully

Cruz literally got all of his yards from slants. Why can’t we do that once?

by merothehero on Jan 23, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Since that was one of our main pass routes all season

I think it’s likely that the Giants shut that down. They’ve usually done that in the past, flood the middle with bodies and let the receivers on the outside go one-on-one.

We just need some guys who can beat players one-on-one. We don’t seem to have that right now. Besides VD, our main pass plays are designed plays where we get mismatches instead of depending on one guy to get open using his own skills.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with this.

The whole year you had guys unselfishly giving stats up for the overall benefit of the team. Vernon has a stat-wise down year for him…and yet he always came to play, always said the right thing, never threw Smith under the bus. Josh Morgan, Frank Gore, Kyle Williams, Alex Smith, Dalanie Walker, Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Donte Whitner…all of these guys are the right type of leaders…..Crabtree, for all of his talent, IMO, is the wrong type of leader…and I think in the long run it will hurt the “team”. 4 Million……that is how much Crabtree costs the Niners next year. 5 Million the year after. He needs to become part of the “team”, or the Niners should think about giving that 4 million to Vincent Jackson instead.

And Crabtree with his throwing Smith under the bus again.. "Just let me make plays"

by Dukeston1 on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

mindless... again

"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams

by 10forTech on Jan 24, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

We win as a team and last night we lost a team.

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by swagger on Jan 23, 2012 10:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I think Crabtree is saying...

“Pull the trigger, Alex.”

And does that make him wrong, or any different from Jerry Rice or ANY Wide Receiver for that matter?

I don’t see any selfish, throwing #11 under the bus, etc, in his comment. I just see a frustrated player who caught 1 ball in the NFC Title game loss.

And is it Crabs and the WRs or Alex or both?

Unless you’ve seen the All-22, you don’t know… I don’t know.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He's not wrong to think it...

…but he’s wrong to say it now. Crabs needs to keep his yap shut for a while.

by Bigmouth on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

If you read past the HEADLINE...

…you’ll read where the reporter says he made the comment matter-of-factly and without malice.

The only people who have EVER CALLED OUT CRAB for being selfish or a malingerer or not-a-team-guy, etc, are people here on blogs or IDIOT REPORTERS.

NOT ONE TEAMMATE to my knowledge has every said ANYTHING bad about #15’s work ethic, toughness, or dedication to his team and teammates.

I’ve heard plenty about how he’s PRIVATE, CAREFUL UNTIL HE REALLY KNOWS SOMEONE, RESERVED, and NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE W/THE MEDIA.

Can’t stand how NOT BEING A GREAT QUOTE leads someone to be viewed as a bad guy.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

YEP, YEP and YEP

Jerry was a giant BEEE-OTCH at times…

Nicknamed was “Fifi” for cripes sakes…

He was screaming and yelling and carrying on on the sideline one afternoon ‘cause he was all mad he wasn’t getting the ball (a common JR sight) and then Mooch goes in the presser:

“Oh that? That was nothing… Jerry was just telling me he was mad ‘cause Jeff wasn’t throwing any spirals.”

Mooch was HYSTERICAL at times…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

wow, this is so ridiculous

for the record…..JR “screaming and yelling and carrying on on the sideline” was a “common JR sight”.

You flat out made that up, its almost the exact opposite of the truth. Once in a long while he would ask for the ball more (and that was not until later in his career), and almost never made a scene on the sideline.

Just stop, this is crazy.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

This dude is routinely full of crap

He likes to talk about his extensive qualifications for knowing so much about QB play but there has been no factual basis to back any of it up. Because it never really happened.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow... You've really been THINKING ABOUT ME A LOT, haven't you???

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-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

How old are you, Bill Jr.?

I grew up WATCHING Flash #80. Did you?

Jerry was SUCH A GREAT GUY that while HIS WIFE WAS IN A FREAKING WHEELCHAIR (some weird malady she had and recovered from, don’t exactly remember what it was, look it up if you care to) he got picked up by the SFPD at a SPECIAL MASSAGE PARLOR.

They brushed it under the table, but Jerry’s quote when he got picked up was something like “I was just here to get a Shiatzu”…

Jerry is maybe the GOAT as a player, but he was EVERY BIT THE DIVA that so many elite WR’s are.

Don’t mean to BURST YOUR BUBBLE but pull your head out of the clouds… The 49ers of days past were EVERY BIT the same kind of guys with the same kind of dramas that you see today.

Don’t be naive.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

the massage parlor was in the south bay, not SF

But you were talking about sideline tirades being a common sight…now we’ve moved on to another mistake-ridden anecdote about his arrest at a massage parlor.

This is fascinating, the combination of arrogance and lack of knowledge.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

So you've BEEN to that uh... That "Massage Parlor" as well...

Well…good, I guess.

And the point is that acting like a DIVA on the sideline and in the press and wherever the hell else FIFI found himself…

That was commonplace.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

"Tirades" too strong a word

I’ll grant that could be misleading hyperbole… “Tirades” weren’t commonplace.

Constant bitching and whining, that sure as hell was.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

video proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIT7iSPObws

"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams

by 10forTech on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems T.O. learned more than just how to play/work from Jerry...

Jerry was a HUGE whining beee-otch for much of his career when he didn’t get EXACTLY what he wanted……

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 24, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

he got that nickname
Nicknamed was "Fifi" for cripes sakes

because of his hairstyle, it had absolutely nothing to do with his attitude.

"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Jan 23, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true

He earned it with that haircut AND because it PERFECTLY matched his attitude.

Rice used to bitch about NOT GETTING THE BALL on the way back to the huddle AFTER CATCHING A PASS…

He whined about NOT GETTING THE BALL when the ball was IN THE AIR as he came out of his breaks…

He groaned about how un-appreciated he was after being named MVP of the Super Bowl instead of Joe Montana who threw for 357 yards and the Game Winning TD pass.

Jerry was the GOAT as both a player AND a BITCHER AND WHINER.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I have never once heard Ronnie Lott say he gave him that nickname because of his attitude

He gave it to him his first year in the NFL because his hair looked like a poodle. It’s highly unlikely that Jerry was demanding the ball in his first season in the NFL.

"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Jan 23, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

C'mon Lou!!! (that was cool, I sound like Brad Pitt in FIGHT CLUB...)

I’m talking outa my a$$ re the specifics again… I don’t have a specific DATE or STAT as to the SPECIFIC MOMENT of Jerry Rice’s very first NFL BITCH… So yeah, I guess… “Ya’ got me.” D’oh… (yawn)

The POINT IS:

Jerry Rice was one of the BIGGEST WHINERS and LARGER EGOTISTICAL A-HOLES in NFL History.

And also the GREATEST WR (and maybe all-around player) in NFL History as well.

But Jerry bitched EARLY and OFTEN about not being appreciated and not getting the ball often…

And going for a “rub-and-tug” while your wife’s strapped to a wheelchair? That’s pretty low as well…

But you defend him all you want, yeah, Jerr was a great guy and was always a great teammate and never complained, and never would do THE HORRIBLE, UNSPEAKABLE THINGS MIChAEL CRABTREE DOES blahblahblahblah….

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

(Again... Not angry or riled up, Lou... I'm just havin' some fun and trying to make the thread-reading a little more lively...)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

lol
C’mon Lou!!! (that was cool, I sound like Brad Pitt in FIGHT CLUB…)

My boss likes to yell “You don’t know where I’ve been LOOOUUU” at me all the time so this made me lol.

As for this

Jerry Rice was one of the BIGGEST WHINERS and LARGER EGOTISTICAL A-HOLES in NFL History.

I’m not arguing that he wasn’t. I don’t happen to think he was THAT bad, but you do and that is your opinion and that’s cool with me.

I just don’t agree that he was given the nickname “FiFi” because of his attitude, I’ve heard 2 or 3 different interviews with Lott giving his explanation of the nickname and in those his reason was always the hair.

"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Jan 23, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

lol... "C'MON LOU!!! WE NEED THIS, LOU...!!!

Love it… Such a disturbingly and wonderfully grotesque scene in that film. But I digress…

Yeah, “Fifi” was about the hair. ’Cause Lott thought he looked like a poodle, right?

He ended truly becoming a “Fifi” and the name fit his attitude, but yeah, Ronnie’s tag was all about the hair.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Rice also had more direct comments

A few times he busted out the “we would have won if they threw me the ball”

by bignerd on Jan 23, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

With Rice

it probably was the truth. He wasn’t the GOAT for nothing.

Crabtree has proven nothing yet.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 23, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow...

…I stand corrected, guys!

by Bigmouth on Jan 23, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly...

Jerry was a COMPLETE DIVA…

He was awesome… The best EVER.

But a total drama queen.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

which was fine

if you’re the best…you’ve got room to speak; crabtree has done next to nothing, so he ought to keep his yap shut

by Doni S on Jan 23, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Jerry probably LICKS the mirror when he wakes up

Being a whiny beee-otch is being a whiny beee-otch… Doesn’t matter who you are or how great you are.

My favorite thing about Alex Smith: his humility.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather see...

Either:

Morgan #1 (I think he’s better than crabs), Crabs #2, KW #3, Ginn PR/KR, VD & Coby Fleener…

or

Alshon Jeffery #1, Morgan #2, KW #3, Crabs #4, Ginn PR/KR, VD and Delanie

by runningblack on Jan 23, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Morgan is a rookie

Or are we thinking of differemt people?

extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."

by Badly Browned on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

My bad

Guess I should read the whole thing huh?

extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."

by Badly Browned on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I'd be fine with the first setup (and going for a FA WR)

But we need more size on the offense. So either a big WR, or a true TE.

by runningblack on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Morgan looked good

but only when Smith threw him the ball. Bunch of games where Morgan disappeared and folks were questioning if that was on him or on Alex.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree is not a #1...he doesn't have the athleticism to bust double-coverage or even single coverage from a team's #1 DB

He would be an awesome #2…I’m usually not for the big free-agent acquistion fans always want, but I’d be all for getting Bowe

"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw

...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"

by jimisoursavior on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

We clearly need an upgrade at WR...

…but I don’t favor taking a WR in the first round or overpaying for a name free agent. Remember, Victor Cruz went undrafted, so there are opportunities out there. I have confidence Baalke can find them.

by Bigmouth on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

I would say we need to spend on a WR and a guard

Everything else should be for depth (if we manage to resign our FA’s)

Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94

Rule #2) Follow rule #1

by mtl9ers14 on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Oddly eough

Those guys that must have shown something apparently didn’t show enough to get on the active list over Chilo Rachal.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't make any sense

If Kilgore or Person was better than Rachal, why would the coaching staff risk an injury to Snyder or Iupati putting a worse player in the game while a better player sits on inactive and thus ineligible to play?

No sense at all.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

If only Harbs had put Scott Tolzien in the game for that last drive......

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Where was Joe Hastings?

That’s what I kept asking myself. We would have won if Hastings would have played more.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

Harbaugh should have put Carr in, I’m sure he could have worked out a quick trade with the Giants at half time.

by reedkrase on Jan 23, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

(...just read this from Nate's blog...)

(…and I quote: “…os dlag the 94ers tosl! Og GYN!!!”)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

They are both small school rookies

Let’s see what’s what next season. Then we’ll know how the coaching staff feels about them.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Not the 53, the 46 man active roster

You can only play if you are on the 46. The other 7 are inactive on game day and may not play. Kilgore never made it over Rachal.

So while it may happen, it is a bit pre-mature to assume that Chilo is out and Kilgore is in for the 2012 season.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what we all do this time of year...we speculate. I think Rachal is gone and we resign Snyder.

Any production from the other will be if guys are injured. Not sure what point you are trying to make.

by Coretete on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

That despite the backups that never see the field

Being some of the most popular players on the team — the likelihood of them developing to starter material is smaller than the coaching staff deciding to continue to work on Chilo Rachal.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

they are backups...backups are needed. chilo is a FA and hasn't played well and developed that well.

makes no sense to resign him if they resign snyder and then you develope your cheaper/younger guys…we wouldnt be the first team to do this. not sure why you’re all fired up about this, anyway ive got nothing more to say about it. we’ve both speculated, let’s see what they do.

by Coretete on Jan 23, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Eggggggggs-ACTLY!

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Need WR

I think we have to make a run at Bowe to give us that big physical receiver that we have been missing for years. Also, draft Sanu out of Rutgers. Let Ginn go and draft Joe Adams from Arkansas who is a return specialist

by temerelaforza on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

we already have that big physical wideout...

his name is vernon davis.

At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.

by TrojanCBB on Jan 23, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

We need another one

One who can get separation and make plays. They doubled up Vernon in the 4th, and it was pathetic watching our WRs struggling against man press. Having another big threat will keep defenses honest.

by axelfoley on Jan 23, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Do not let go

Ted Ginn. Good god, do you people not understand the reason we lost yesterday? Ted Ginn was ESSENTIAL to our domination to special teams, without him a whole aspect of our game is gone

by merothehero on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

T.O. ;.T.O.; T.O !!!! Thats what happens when you don't use the tried and tested!!!

Well when 49ers DECIDED NOT to take a PROVEN WAR HORSE like T.O. as a WR Weapon thats when they Lost the game !!! What do you expect in such a nerve filled game, playing NY GIANTS who are seasoned veterans !!!

If you pick up media Responses, we basically SHOT OURSELVES in the foot, and not that we were outplayed by the Giants. It really sucks, and there’s no need to be sympathetic to Kyle Williams FUMBLING TWICE is not a mistake, especially if you are a Profeesional and being PAYED For it.

KYLE WILLIAMS YOU LET THE WHOLE 53 MAN TEAM DOWN !!! NO EXCEPTIONS. You are going down in NFL History as the loser who messed up, sorry thats the truth. You’re a Profeesional Deal with it !!!

by London_9er on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

Who you kidding !!!

It was KYLE who messed up period – READ the papers ,even check NFL Website now.

by London_9er on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree that Kyle Williams deserves a lot of blame especially since he had another chance to atone for his previous mistake.

But that’s not the full story either…the offense as a whole was brutal in clutch situations. Crabtree couldn’t create separation nor refrain from throwing people under the bus.

Still can’t find it within myself to forgive Kyle Williams though…one mistake, he gets a pass. More than that, it just looks like he didn’t come ready to play. But he still is a WR with good potential.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Kyle MESSED UP BIG TIME -His a professional

If you messed up at work the same thing twice in a short period of time, and the team was depending on you .

Can you give excuses???

by London_9er on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Not disagreeing with you...just saying he's not the ONLY reason either.

If you take the time to read, I even say I cannot forgive Kyle. No excuses for him. Also no excuses for other guys too. Got to look at everything man.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

If the rest of the offense played great, I'd see your point.

They didn’t. It’s not all on Williams, although he looks like an easy scapegoat.

He muffed that last punt on our fourth OT possession, right? You don’t even remotely blame the entire offense for doing absolutely nothing the first three possessions in OT? Or is that Kyles fault, too?

Face it. We beat ourselves last night. Williams was a larger part than most, but you’re kidding yourself if you think it is all on him.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

no he didn't... he FUMBLED in OT

it was a muff during regualtion.

C’mon… Pull yourself together, man!

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

You are correct there.

my terminology was off. The biggest mistake Kyle made the whole game ended up NOT being a turnover and that was the punt he dove to fair catch.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If I messed up at my job..

I wouldn’t be getting death threats.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 23, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

And spit in it

probably other unmentionable things too. Not a good idea to mess with anyone in the food service….and still eat in the same place.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 23, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He single handily lost us the game. He cost us 10 points! Even though our offense wasn’t moving the ball it didn’t matter bc our defense was playing well enough to win that game on their own

by temerelaforza on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Oddly enough

Only converting 1 third down the entire game didn’t have much to do with it.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Such an UNBELIEVABLE DEFENSIVE EFFORT...

Just wasted… A damn shame.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Logic is not welcome

It’s all Kyle Williams fault.

We should have traded Rachal for Calvin Johnson mid-way through the season too.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate that excuse

Yes, the team lost, but Kyle had by far the biggest part in the loss. I’m sorry, but 2 crucial turnovers IS costing your team the game. I mean, if Alex threw 2 INTs, one in his own redzone in OT, then it’d be his fault (unless reciever ran a horrible route or it was a great play). If Gore fumbles in the same scenario twice, it’s his fault.

by merothehero on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

TRUTH will set you free!!!

by London_9er on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

It has be true

For that to be correct.

Stop blaming a single player. The whole offense, and even the play calling is to blame. We averaged what, five yards per carry last night? And decided not to run at all in OT?

Big boy football – you win and lose as a team. Please…stop it.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

nothing like medicore play from our qb 0-13 on third down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it can also be said that alex smith’s duck to wide open kyle williams single handily cost the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was seven points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Say...

What do you think of Alex Smith?

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe, not sure; how do i know?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

3 Simple Steps...

1. Look at computer.
2.Is finger still on said key?
3. Cut off all fingers.

Walaa…fixed.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 23, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lolol

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

still having issues!!!!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a step 4.

It is rarely used.
4.Look to your immediate left for a siamese twin.

If there is a mirror image of yourself then you have found your problem. Tell him sternly to stop pushing the “!!!!!” key.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget that Desean Jackson is a free agent

He’s not really a #1 wr either because of his lack of physicality but damn, the speed would kill. Then Crabs and Morgan. Crabs won’t resign after next season anyway

by rbprat10 on Jan 23, 2012 10:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I don't think DJAX is as bad in the locker-room as everyone says...sure he sulked this year over his contract, but I've never heard of him of throwing anyone under the bus

Regardless, I’d much rather have Bowe

"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw

...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"

by jimisoursavior on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't care if DeSean's a little b-word...

You SIGN HIS A$$ if at all possible.

He’d be the perfect complement to Crabtree and VD, and would allow us to launch Ted Ginn (who’s not much of WR and is prone to bigtime ALLIGATOR ARMS at times).

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Beware signing big contracts

To the receiver who has been remarkably ineffective since his second serious concussion.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

By "if at all possible"...

I mean “if you don’t have to BREAK THE BANK”.

Agree he’s not worthy of true #1 WR money.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Rookie Contract

At least its a rookie contract and if he wants more money we can just let him go. His skill set relates to a fourth or fifth round pick. He is slow, not explosive, doesn’t have quick feet, but does have nice hands. He will never be a player to count on. he is expendable when his contract is up.

by The Sear on Jan 23, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah

Avoids contact, lazy on routes where he’s clearing out, drops more balls than anyone on our team, and hasn’t even been much of a threat since his second concussion.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe so

but he unlike some1 else I won’t name, Crabs didn’t cost us the SB trip…

by Doni S on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

no??

so, what…those 10 points magically appeared on the scoreboard for the Giants then?

by Doni S on Jan 23, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm more concerned with all the blown opportunties on offense

KW had a bad day. The offense had a worse one and it really wasn’t the fault of the oline.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

LMAO

Offense had a worse game than Williams…….this is flat out delusion. Williams had probably one of the 10 worst games in NFL history yesterday.

Alex Smith is turning your mind to mush.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait

so we didn’t have three opportunities to win the game with the offense?

Maybe the Kyle Williams hate is turning your mind to mush.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

this^^^

We lost by 3 points in overtime.

The offense has even a “B-” game….?

The 49ers win by 10 points and are headed to the Super Bowl. Hard to even argue that point.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

he single-handedly lost the game for us

that’s a fact, plain and simple; a) call a fair catch and keep running towards the ball to catch it…yes, of course, that’s exactly what a returner needs to do in that instance. b) fumble the ball on a return in the opposing teams territory when you know good and well that ball security is a top priority

This is not hate on Kyle…they are the facts of the game; defend him if you must, but it doesn’t change the fact that ‘we’ should be in the SB instead of the Giants

by Doni S on Jan 23, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

that's bullsh*t

how do you know WE SCORE if he doesn’t fumble…?

we could’ve gone 3 and out, punted, and lost on the following Giants drive… or we could’ve won, or this or that or maybe possibly somehow perchance whatever…

kyle williams F’d up badly… His two screwups contributed GREATLY to a TEAM LOSS.

But that’s 2 plays… Alex and the offense had what, 60 some plays? And stop after stop from a Defense just BEGGING FOR THEM TO CLOSE THE GAME OUT with a TD and a FG. That’s all it would’ve taken.

Kyle Williams had the KEY PLAY leading directly to the loss, but NO ONE LOST THAT GAME SINGLEHANDEDLY.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He made 4 stupid plays actually

3 that burned us. First he fumbled a reverse… He miraculously recovered the ball when Osi dropped it. Then he called a fair catch and actually dove to make it which was as dumb and risky as anything can be… Then the muff, then the fumble.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a mathematical genius or anything, but...

How’s that equal THREE plays that burned us?

—LOST muffed punt
—LOST fumbled punt

1 + 1 = 3 (???)

How does one get BURNED by a recovered fumble or a risky, but successfully executed fair catch?

PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN… Get some sleep.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

We all know you're not a genius you don't have to tell us

10 yard loss on the fumble he dropped that killed a drive.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's some more math for ya'...

I know you’ll like this one…

I’ve had NINE ( 9 ) — N-I-N-E — nine different comments REC’D in this thread alone…

Wow! I’m impressive, aren’t I?

(…you sooooooo wish you were me. Admit it… That’s the first step on the long road to recovery…)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never seen anybody brag about their recs before lol

I really don’t know if you realize how pathetic that is. Are you gonna tell the quarterback you coach about it tomorrow?

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

=D

Oh I’m PERFECTLY aware of how pathetic it is!

And of course, you commented, just as I knew you would!

You have what, A BILLION comments on Blogs all over the Bay Area, right?

Do you even have 10 REC’D comments all-time?

(what’s more pathetic? My bragging about all my REC’D comments, or YOU BEING SO TERRIBLY JEALOUS of my REC’D comments?)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

(I sooooo DARE YOU not to reply)

(I would almost bet a MILLION DOLLARS you won’t be able to help yourself or stop yourself from replying)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

(sort of an Internet Mexican Standoff)

(…this is exciting stuff…)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

And dude...

Every now and again when I venture on to NN…

You just never fail to try and provoke me…

And then I basically end up CLUBBING YOU LIKE A BABY SEAL…

Why do you do it?

:-D

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

(not commenting back...)

(It must be killing you… Breathe. Breathe.)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

(speaking of math...)

(…your COMMENTS to GOOD POINTS ratio is just TERRIBLE…)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

A more expensive Ted Ginn Jr. with a worse attitude?

Hrrmm, well at least at least the drops would go down albeit slightly.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like..

Crabs is signed til 2014 on Ninerssalarycaphell.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

we have a ton of cap space but we need also retain our own guys...

Carlos Rogers, Goldson, Morgan, Brooks, Alex,…rogers and goldson are going to be expensive too but they were vital to our team defense. Also should probably re-sign reggie smith. I bet someone will pay Larry Grant to start for their team but he would be an awesome person to retain.

Free agent wise, I would like Dwayne Bowe. He is a true #1 WR and the Niners were interested in the draft. He’s big, physical, and fast. Fits the bill of what we’re looking for. Crabtree has not lived up to the hype and shrunk under the spotlight in the playoffs. he even throws people under the bus without looking at his own failures. I wouldn’t mind trading him for an extra pick.

In the draft, I would like to see us get another pass-rusher. Aldon was outstanding but where are we without him? What happens if Justin Smith goes down? I like what NYG has done which was build on their defense. JPP seemed like an unnecessary pick at the time given their DL depth but he paid huge dividends this year.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 23, 2012 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

No no no to Reggie Smith

Every time he enters the game we give up a passing touchdown.

He does not understand that a vertical route with an inside release against off man coverage is his responsibility to come over the top and break up the play. The corner does not have position to make the play.

Everybody was screaming at Brock, but it was Reggie that blew his assignment.

And that should be DejaVu for all of us, because the same thing happened during the regular season, except that time it was against T. Brown. Off-man coverage, inside vertical release, Smith comes over too late and at a bad angle and leaves Brown out to dry.

Eli threw that throw Sunday because he saw #30 in deep half responsibility and knew one look to the opposite side of the field would freeze him in place and give him the easy 1 on 1 matchup he wanted. He makes that throw EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Safety depth is a huge need

Williams should be gone as well.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup. That's why I listed Reggie because he knows the system but I am totally open to an upgrade.

I think we keep building on our defense through the draft and make free agent splashes on offense.

With what Harbaugh accomplished this year, I think free agents will find SF a nice place to situate themselves.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Thank you!

Grrr……

Not much of an effort to KNOCK MANNINGHAM’S HEAD OFF on the TD Pass.

Looked like less than 100% of full-speed, and very little desire to put his body on the line to make the big-hit.

Soooooooo dissappointed in that play.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Crabs Better Than Morgan??

What in Crabs skill set makes him better than Morgan? He is slower, not as explosive, can’t get separation, maybe he has slighter better hands. I would take Morgan over Crabtree every single day and twice on Sunday. Crabs skill set is of a fourth or fifth round pick. His reputation was made on a college gimmick offense that gave him numbers. His skill set is actually very weak for a WR.

by The Sear on Jan 23, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Larry Grant is a RFA

So if the 49ers want to keep him and I can’t imagine why not they have the inside track on him.

by *WCG* on Jan 23, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

We need to plan for the demise of Gore too

It’s been well-documented that when a RB has more than 270 touches in a season, he has a major drop-off in production the next year. It’s a pretty firm trend…couple that with Gore’s age and how visibily the bump’s and bruises affected him towards the end of the season, I don’t have alot of faith in him giving us much of anything next year

"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw

...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"

by jimisoursavior on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

I'd agree. In fact, if Josh is healthy and we bring him back, then RB might be a big priority.

especially because we are what we are, that is, a smash-mouth football team

"We want to win with numbing repetition." -- Jim Harbaugh

by four-nine heavy on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I could see drafting another RB in the mid rounds and dropping Dixon

He’s been given an opportunity to be the short yardage guy and hasn’t gotten it done.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

IMO that would say more about Hunter than Dixon

If we think Hunter can carry the load when Gore goes down, we have bigger needs than a third string RB with some special teams skills.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think we'll cut dixon

He’s a good in ST and he’s great in the locker room

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by mtl9ers14 on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Meh

I don’t know if you recall but they did bring in some RB’s to try out earlier in the year, probably to give Dixon a little nudge.

He’s 240 pounds and he was brought down by a CB arm tackle yesterday on a crucial play. He’s the 3rd RB for a reason plus he was a Singletary guy. I’d be surprised if he’s back.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

CB arm tackle?

He was tripped. That’s not an “arm tackle”.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry, I was at the game and still haven't seen the game on TV

Whatever it was it was something a 240lb RB should not go down on. He dances way too much for his size. If he hits that hole hard he may have had a TD on that play.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

he wasn't dancing

He let the hole open up, hit it and got tripped as the perfect moment. Next play, he had nowhere to go after Justin Smith got thrown aside like a rag doll.

by mrg80 on Jan 23, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Robert Turbin from Utah St.

I like him a lot and hope he falls to the 49ers in the 4th (like Kendall). He looks like a steal.

"We ask no quarter, we give no quarter" - Jim Harbaugh

by Method24 on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The number is 370 carries

But 29 years old is another significant milestone for running backs.

by bignerd on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Hunter can take on an increased role.

He’s looked very good this year and also like he had the potential to develop into a really good RB.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jan 23, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Next year you play the hot hand. Gore remains the starter but he understands the rotation works for him

as long as he performs that is.

It is curious how Hunter is perceived by the FO. I don’t think the smaller Hunter can fully replace Gore so we likely are still on the hunt to upgrade that position but only if the right opportunity arises. RBs tend to slip so there might be top-rated value deep in the first round.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Niners can't be cheap on WR

Every year the Niners try to be thrifty and end up signing some mid-level talent at WR. And they end up sucking. This last year, Edwards seemed to have potential, but he sucked too.

Johhny Morton
Antonio Bryant
Bryant Johnson
I forget the guy from Tennessee, but he sucked too.
Ted Ginn (good returner, but lacking at WR)
Darrel Jackson

A bunch of bums

Issac Bruce (the one exception to sucking)

by jns8049ers on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

If Baalke doesn't sign a WR that addresses our current. I don't wanna say failure cause we don't dont what else is gonna happen but I will be very disappointed if I don't see a new WR on the team

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- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.

by ayeyoJERM on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

current problem *

- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.

by ayeyoJERM on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

who was throwing to them?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

with the exception of Bryant

They either retired (which means they were on their last leg) or they went on to suck elsewhere too.

by jns8049ers on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I was going for bad free agents.

If we look at home grown turd receivers, that’s a decent list too.

by jns8049ers on Jan 23, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Some random QBs we can't mention

and the other one we are stuck with who we can’t mention. But it is definitely a WR problem, not a QB problem, amirite?

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup , and it has been for awhile , Alex has had 17 different starting wideouts threw his career ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 23, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope , I'll leave that to others , more to the point that this Organization hasn't done squat to help that position out ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 23, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought they brough in 17 WRs...

Would 18 do it? Or were you thinking somewhere closer to 30?

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

How about 1 good one who is healthy?

We’ve yet to have one of those

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

you forgot brandon lloyd

he was so good he was able to duck Alex Smith passes

by reedkrase on Jan 23, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Does Jerry Rice Have A Son?

49ers dont have a single decent WR, including the overrated Josh Morgan.

Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.

by scrappydog on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

he does, but the son can’t even get playing time on the Bruins team

by Mood_Indigo on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

no kidding

I’m a bruin alum/fan…. if you can’t start on that offense… oh my…

by mwright84 on Jan 23, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Why aren't you guys better?

Hot chicks. Near the beach. Recruiting should be a breeze. I just don’t get it.

Maybe Mora, Jr. will turn things around. I’ve always thought he’d make a decent college coach and a great recruiter.

by Bigmouth on Jan 23, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Hot chicks. Near the beach. Recruiting should be a breeze. I just don’t get it.

lol

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't really see any disconnect

The only receivers Smith has had to play with all season are VD and Crabs. With both those guys Alex was connecting with really well by the end of the season.

In the playoffs it was just a case of Crabs not being open (or not catching the ball against the Saints).

Over

by cybermaldonado on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

The Giants did limit Crabs in the regular season matchup.

And in that game we had a 100% Walker, Ginn, and (Not-Swain) Braylon.

We have one elite recievee in Davis. We need at least one more.

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by Badly Browned on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Hey guys, let's also not forget what an amazing season this has been...

Our expectations were very low to begin the season and with Harbaugh, it’s safe to say we have arrived and arrived early. Look at what he’s done with all of the barriers for success he faced. We had an awesome season that ended horribly (looking at you KW, MC), but at some point we have to take a step back and appreciate what we accomplished. We have an exceptional coach with an awesome team that buys into him. It’s not going to be easy to get back here next year but it’s also safe to say we’ve arrived…finally. Let’s not forget that.

Our team can only get better. We should be asking questions what our offense will look like with a full offseason? How will Alex perform in the same offense in year 2? What free agents are we looking at with a ton of cap space?

We also have to be excited that our defense will be a top defense for years to come. We have a unique set of ILBs with Willis and Bowman. Those two allow our defense to do a lot of different things as they can stop runs up the middle and also run down RBs sideline to sideline. We have Aldon Smith who had 14 sacks in the regular season. 14 SACKS! And there’s so much more for us to be excited about too. I can go on for days. We will get better and we have the coach to do it.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

This is grieving time

praise will come later :(
For me it will with Ray Mac who had an outstanding game yesterday.

by Mood_Indigo on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly...

…plenty of time to savor our accomplishments once the pain has faded.

by Bigmouth on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we’ll be great next year. It was just one too many injuries. With Ginn in the game we’d be in the Superbowl.

by Michael White NC on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

1st place schedule. Improved NFC West. Sneaking up on NO ONE. We won't be +28 in Turnover Margin.

We will be a good team for years to come, but……

Some definite improvements need to be made before this becomes more than a “cinderella” year.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Even if the team stayed exactly the same and did not improve they would still be a SB contender again. The defense was just that good. It was not some sort of accident they got so far this season. The question is whether they can keep the defense at that level.

Over

by cybermaldonado on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Not going to be +28 again...

So even if we’re JUST AS GOOD on Defense…

How many wins do we have vs. a much better schedule and Division if we’re say…+10?

Methinks many people are celebrating the return of the dynasty just a wee bit early…

After the Saints first season under Sean Payton and a trip to the NFC Title game? 7-9…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Methinks many people are celebrating the return of the dynasty just a wee bit early…

Methinks one losing trip to an NFC Championship game is no qualification for a dynasty.

by bignerd on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Then Superbowl. Bad example.

by mcwagner on Jan 23, 2012 2:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Good point... But I'm thinking about 2012, not 2013.

7-9 would suck giant hairy ones next year… Don’t want to see that.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatever

I see multiple Super Bowl appearances for this team in the next couple of years. The defense is elite and relatively young. The offense needs some work, but there are quality pieces there, including young linemen who are pretty good. Also, Kendall Hunter in the 4th was a revelation. Just an awesome pick that late for the guy who will replace Gore for us.

This team is going to be good for a while. Get used to it.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah... You're right. Getting to Super Bowls is pretty easy.

What was I thinking…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

(last appearance 17 years ago and counting...)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

our schedule next year is brutal

@ Brady, Brees, and Rogers. Play Eli, Stafford, Cutler…

by Coretete on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

We played Stafford, Brees, and Eli twice this year.

And were 3-1 with an OT loss.

I know it’s harder, but people act like we are doomed. We will still win 10+ next year. Especially if HarBaalke come thru in the offseason again. Book it.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Also won't be lucky as with injuries in all likelihood

and Gore might not have much left to give

"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw

...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"

by jimisoursavior on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, true true

Surprised he managed to catch a couple balls yesterday.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah usually Alex Smith can't make those passes

We still haven’t seen a legitimate screen in how many games?

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Gore had 1200+ yards and a good YPA on a 13-3 team...

Not saying he isn’t slowing down but…

What exactly is your point? Gore had a very good year and was obviously being protected late in the year because we wrapped up the NFC West on September 19th.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Gore had multiple runs this year where he was caught from behind

where I instantly looked at my buddy next to me and said “2 years ago Gore takes that to the house.”

He is still a very good running back. He is not elite, and he certainly is not an every down guy. He and Hunter make a really good pair though.

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by mikev on Jan 23, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, I wished it was Hunter who got through the line those times.

Seems like whenever Hunter is in the backfield though, the line doesn’t block as well or he can’t find the hole as well as Gore.

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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Gore is better at finding the hole

Hunter is better in space, Gore is better at getting to the open field. If hunter can improve his awareness, he’ll be much more dangerous.

IMHO, the sabermetric notion that running backs are basically irrelevant to the running game (that’s all based on o-line play) is proven wrong by situations like this. Any running back can hit the hole. Great running backs create their own holes.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he has the great vision Gore has

"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw

...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"

by jimisoursavior on Jan 23, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

agree

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Gore played amazing vs the Giants

I was really impressed…he was cutting back and finding holes…making plays out of nothing…even making plays in the pass game

by mrg80 on Jan 23, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

2012 schedule

Rough indeed.
At Home:
Rams
Seahawks
Cards
Packers
Vikings
Dolphins
Bills
Giants
Away:
Rams
Seahawks
Cards
Saints
Lions
Bears
Patriots
Jets
It will be interesting to see how the Niners improve over the offseason and are able to handle such a tough schedule.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 23, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

OH my lord

That is insane. I’ll be praying for 10-6 next year.

by AthleticsReign on Jan 23, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I so disagree with 99.9999% of what you say.....

but I have to agree with you on this one :( it really is a bad week

Todd Van Poppel.....discuss amongst yourselves

by norcalfan on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Things to do in my opinion:

1) Re-sign Alex to a three year deal, 7-9 million per year
2) Re-sign Rogers, probably a 3 year 18-20 million deal.
3) Re-sign Goldson if he wants less than 5.5 million per year on a four year deal
4) Re-sign Costanzo and Larry Grant if available on team friendly deals.
5) Re-sign Morgan on a team friendly deal.
6) Trade Michael Crabtree for a third round pick.
7) Sign Dwayne Bowe or Colston
8) Sign another WR with speed if possible (possibly Desean Jackson – can let Ginn walk as he will be the KR/PR), avoid drafting rookie WRs until the 4th round or later.
9) Draft a center or guard with one of the first two picks.
10) Franchise tag Norris.
11) Maybe not 10.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

So you want to spend $500,000?

Crabby isn’t getting traded. We won’t be signing 2 big name WRs, I do want Bowe tho. We won’t draft any early OL.

by Coretete on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

2 Big name WRs is a possiblity.

We have plenty of cap room. All our contracts were very front-loaded. I’ve looked at the numbers. We can sign two star WRs and still have plenty of cap room.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't like the idea of going crazy in FA

it just never seems to work for teams. I’m definitely in favor of adding 1 WR in FA and one through the draft though.

My first instinct is let Ginn go, sign D. Jackson, and draft a WR early plus resign Morgan on the cheap.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, over 3 million will be saved when Spencer is cut in the off-season.

That works towards Rogers’ deal. So plenty of cap-room.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't hate that list

I don’t think Crabtree is going anywhere though.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, more 0-13 on third downs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BINGO

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny

I didn’t see you guys out here last week shillin’ your views on Alex Smith. Guess you were hiding under your rocks.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh please

we’ve been here all along and are happy to celebrate when Alex Smith performs. The fact is, one game is just one game. It was clutch, even epic game finish, but it won’t be Catch III because Smith couldn’t deliver a Super Bowl opportunity.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw Hungry Hunter in the New Orleans game thread

he was bashing Smith left and right throughout the game… until those last two drives. Then he suddenly found the mute button. Odd.

Catch II was also not a Super Bowl-producing play. So your logic is a bit confused here.

I used to be a Smith-hater too. This season has changed my mind. I used to think he was an average quarterback. Now I think he’s an above average quarterback. He is not elite, he is not great, he is not a Montana or a Young or a Manning or a Brady. But he’s good enough for our purposes.

A few more pieces, a little more depth, I think we’ll be celebrating a Super Bowl win as early as next season.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

team friendly

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm giving Crabtree two more year left. If he hasn't improved within those two years. They gotta cut ties with him

- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.

by ayeyoJERM on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

gimmee a break

His numbers have improved EVERY YEAR HE’S BEEN IN THE NFL.

All his coaches and teammates have NOTHING but great things to say about him.

The Crabtree-hating is STUPID.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

but it is all crabtree fault that the niners were 0-13 on third down lol

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

but all the receivers were covered on every play

We don’t need the all-22 film to make this assertion.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

funny that sentence works like this too
His numbers have improved EVERY YEAR HE’S BEEN IN THE NFL.

All his coaches and teammates have NOTHING but great things to say about him.

The Crabtree Alex Smith-hating is STUPID.

"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Jan 23, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

True!

Hating is STUPID.

Criticizing fairly is not…

Crab ain’t a legit #1… Crab is slow. Crab can’t get seperation . Crab can’t be explosive.

Those are all FAIR criticism… I don’t agree, but there’s merit to those ideas and they are worth discussing.

Crab is A BAD GUY……

That is HATING… That’s a bullsh*t argument, just like the bs Alex Smith arguments.

And having Vernon “Sing kicked me off the field/I got two more Personal Fouls yesterday” Davis as the ONLY GUY TO EVER SAY A BAD WORD ABOUT YOU (and in truth, VD never really DID say anything BAD about Crabtree), well, that’s not exactly an indictment of your character.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

wasn’t accusing you of anything just wanted to point that out.

"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Jan 23, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just havin' some fun, Lou! No harm taken, none meant to be given...

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

you are obsessed with Alex

Smith gas improved every year too ya know. I vote for patience

by mcwagner on Jan 23, 2012 2:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Thinkin" continuity is what the Man deserves , Coaches and players alike ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 23, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I finally do agree w/you...

He does DESERVE it… He was good enough.

Whether he gets it or not, an entirely different ballgame altogether…

I think he will, but it won’t have anything to do with FAIRNESS or what he DESERVES. It will be because the 49ers are unable to swing anything else that’s better in 2012.

(…and hopefully I’ll be wrong and Alex becomes a GREAT player.)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

He's fine if you're looking for a "good" QB...

I personally have seen enough to say I don’t ever think he will become “great”.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

And a good QB is just fine

With our elite defense and special teams (with Ginn returning), we’ll be in every game.

Sure, keep developing CK to see if he can push Alex out of the job, but for right now, Alex Smith has earned his spot (and personally I think Crabtree has as well… just not as a #1 wide receiver).

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish he was good

but 196 yards and 1 TD average per game is pretty stinky (especially in the context of +26 turnovers setting up short fields).

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

"Pretty stinky"?

That sounds like football talk via “The View”…

;-D

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I definitely agree with #10

If he were in yesterday, we would be in the SuperBowl for sure.

by jns8049ers on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd be leary of over-paying Colston...he might be a product of Bree's and the other target's around him

"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw

...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"

by jimisoursavior on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

and Colston disappears a lot even with Brees. Bowe or Stevie Johnson. Both are receivers who fight to make plays and have done so with mediocre QBs.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know, I kinda liked that as a learning opportunity

god has nothing to do with catching the football and he apologized anyway. In any case Stevie is a legitimate threat especially if you can occasionally take the double coverage off him, which we can do better than BUF. I like Bowe too but Johnson is the big upside guy.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

ok

but remember this when looking back on both of their careers.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed , but #10 Not So Much , they really need to bring back Ginn though , not going to give any reason's for that , as they stand alone ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Please

No more than two years for Alex. Crabtree has zero trade value. I doubt we could get better than a fifth of sixth rounder for a guy with a very very limited skill set. He is slow, not explosive, doesn’t have quick feet. He has been exposed. I like Bowe, don’t like Colston(he doesn’t stretch the field either), like Jackson if he has his head on straight. Your right about another offensive lineman and I would like to see another CB in the draft. All the other things you mention I agree with.

by The Sear on Jan 23, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone has a good guesstimation on how much the 49ers have to spend?

- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.

by ayeyoJERM on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

for this off-season

- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.

by ayeyoJERM on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll work it out.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you know how much it was this past off-season?

- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.

by ayeyoJERM on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

This season salary cap was 120.375 million. We spent 103 million, with almost 6 million on dead money, so total salary number was 109 million roughly. Salary cap number will increase probably to about 125 million. We have about 77.8 million committed to 39 players next season. Our dead money figure drops to about 1 million from 6 million, which is great. That leaves about 46.2 million in cap room for next season. Leave about 5-6 million for rookies, leaves about 40.2 million in cap room. Will save an extra 3.2 million by cutting Shawntae Spencer (only 100k salary cap hit), which leaves about 43.4 million in cap room.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

what exactly is dead money

how does that get tabulated

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Rule #2) Follow rule #1

by mtl9ers14 on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Dead money

Is usually signing bonuses spread along the life of contracts that were not fulfilled due to trade, retirement, or cut.

So if you give a guy a 5 year contract with a 5 million signing bonus, you pay him the 5 million up front, but count it against the cap as 1 million signing bonus each year.

If you cut him after 1 year, the final 4 years of prorated bonus money (4 million) are on the 2nd years salary cap as “dead money”. They call this “acceleration”.

For instance, cutting Nate Clements cost us almost 2.4 million in dead money this year.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Note

This is the simple case. There are special cases that can slightly change some of this.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, i think we covered it well together

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Thumbs up

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically, dead money is the money you are paying for players not on the roster.

The signing bonus a player receives when he signs a contract, is split over his contract. So the total signing bonus he was to receive is paid in the season he is cut. That counts as dead money. So a player that is cut with a salary cap figure of 10 million, but a base number of 8 million with 2 million in signing bonus, will result in a 2 million hit in terms of dead money that needs to be paid.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

But if he has 10 million guaranteed over 5 seasons, and has it split 2 million per season,

then that 10 million would be the salary cap, and 10 million would be the dead money that needs to be paid.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

salary cap hit*

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

So were paying Braylon Edwards his money no matter what?

- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.

by ayeyoJERM on Jan 23, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Ey?

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Braylon Edwards was on a one year 2 million deal, with none guaranteed.

He does not count against dead money. Our dead money figures are largely from Taylor Mays (about 750k), and Ronald Johnson (about 100k).

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

ugh taylor mays

The 49ers are paying Mays more next season than they are paying NaVorro Bowman. complete and total meltdown.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Would love to lockup our inside linebackers through 2017

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be opposed to it

But he’s still got 2 years left on his contract. The front office has bigger problems right now, and may be depending on his sub-500,000 salary to make all the extensions work under the salary cap.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

ok thanks for the explanation

Definately a good thing that its going down to 1 million

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Rule #2) Follow rule #1

by mtl9ers14 on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

43 mill?

damn, that’s a lot of money. hopefully the niners do something good with it.

So, by your math, the Niners left $17 million on the table this year. Can they still spend that before the new season kicks in? On extensions or FAs, for example.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Just answered my own question

I just took the time to check the 2011 CBA (I know, I’ve got too much time on my hands), and if I’m reading it right, I think teams can choose to carry over remaining cap space to the next year. That means that the 49ers will likely have about $60 million to spend this offseason.

You can read it for yourself: http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/2011CBA.pdf
(Article 13, section 6, 15, v. “Carry over room”)

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not 17 million

11 million was left on the table roughly.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

fair enough

That still leaves the team with over 50 million. That’s a lot of money. That’s pay-peyton-manning money, if they go that route.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep we are in a brilliant position from a financial stand-point.

The FO has done an outstanding job with contracts and keeping the team competitive salary-cap wise for the foreseeable future – I’ve said this for a long time.

Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)

by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

And even better

The team has basically no marquee free agents leaving after next season. So if the 49ers can come out ahead this offseason, it’ll be smooth sailing until 2014.

1 year, 23 free agents, 50 million to spend. I like the 49ers chances at figuring this one out.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

With the right acquisitions

I have little doubt that we will be in the Super Bowl next year. Call me a homer, whatever, but the Kool-aid has been drunk!

We will dominate next year.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe we were around $15 million

under the cap this year. And if im not mistaken owners need to spend 99% of avaliable cap this year due to the new CBA.

But we have alot of free agents who are due for a nice pay bump next season…

by Frisco_Kid on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Think the number is about right

But the minimum cap number isn’t in effect yet.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

And I'm not sure what the provisions are

But I think you can carry over cap room just from this year to the next.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, teams can carry over room

It was one of the new provisions in the 2011 CBA. That means the 49ers will have more than $60 million to spend next year, if they want to.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

put Jim Harbaugh as qb

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

they thought about it but

he was listed as questionable on the injury report

by reedkrase on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

questionanable can play

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

How would you guys play out the draft?

I accidentally asked this question on an earlier link, my bad!

I know we need a WR badly…..hopefully we have a shot at an RFA like Bowe in the offseason, but based on our draft position, we’ve got a shot an Kendall Wright or Mohamed Sanu. Your thoughts on these guys? Kendall’s a smaller WR (5’11 ish) but fast, and Sanu is bigger (6’2) but may not ever become a #1 based on scouting reports. He’s also a 4.5 guy, so not a burner.

What would you guys do???

by TotallyBodaciousDude on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

That's awesome

You’ld get my vote for head of scouting or GM

by jns8049ers on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

also, talk to some people at his college

and see if they’ll accuse him of stealing a laptop

by reedkrase on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Draft Sanu

Try to get Bowe or Vincent Jackson.

If we could pull that off, maybe let Morgan walk. Keep Ginn solely for return duty.

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

crazy talk

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

After the 20th comment

Let me drive the “No on Bowe” bandwagon. He is actually all those bad qualities you guys speculate Crabtree has. Talk about a guy who doesn’t give an eff at times and leaves his team, QB and teammates out to dry.

by bignerd on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

0-13 ON THIRD DOWN IS NOT THE WR FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

biggest game of the year 0-13 on third down

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

It was Bruce F***ING Miller's fault!!!

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right

It’s YOUR fault, with all your negative vibes.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

that's crunchy

maybe your can get your purple crystals and cleanse our chakra.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

And maybe burn a little incense… and also lift the voodoo curse off of Kevin Williams.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree = Stokes

I dunno why but he reminds a lot of JJ Stokes…. I’m pulling for the guy, but not much has impressed so far in his young career.

Based on his comments though, it sounds like he feels he’s owed something instead of working his ass off and going out and getting it…. don’t like the attitude.

by Mapletreemarty on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

Based on his comments though, it sounds like he feels he’s owed something instead of working his ass off and going out and getting it…. don’t like the attitude.

Sooooooo aggravating… Ever hear of CONTEXT?

‘Cause you’re taking ALL HIS COMMENTS OUT OF C-O-N-T-E-X-T.

Again……

Name one coach or teammate who’s EVER said #15 wasn’t a team guy or a hard worker or had attituede… One. Just ONE!!!

You can’t because there aren’t any. What fricking “attitude” are you talking about? The guy simply just isn’t media-friendly.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

So we have a difference of opinion, and everyone will have their own interpretations of his comments.

Talking about it and having good intentions are great, but unless the results are there on the field than it’s just a lot of fluff. Crabtree had opportunities to make plays last week and we know what happened.

I think he’ll develop into a great #2 option, but I haven’t seen enough to label him bonafide, go to, true #1 receiver.

by Mapletreemarty on Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

shouldn't an "interpretation" involve some degree of logic?

Opinions on #15’s ability aside…

How is the constant questioning of his character, work-ethic, toughness, and loyalty as a teammate in any way logical?

He’s been here 3 years. There are — to my knowledge — ZERO comments from teammates or coaches EVER QUESTIONING HIS LOYALTY, DEDICATION, or CHARACTER.

Those things have only been IMPLIED by idiot reporters and fans blogging away online.

Question the guys talent, fine. But calling him someone who feels he’s “owed” something, or he doesn’t “work his ass off”, or he has an “attitude”… Those things just get thrown into the mix from way out in Left Field.

It’s not right, and it’s no different than all the Bullsh*t HATING that Alex Smith’s had to endure over the years.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol...

Using Vernon Davis as the measure of a GREAT CHARACTER GUY?

Vernon’s seemed to have turned things around largely, but…

Nice PERSONAL FOULS yesterday, VD. Both of em… VD’s the guy WITH THE TRACK RECORD, not Crabtree.

And again, your point was….?

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

My point was you said no teammate had questioned him

and I was proving evidence that indeed, if you read between the lines, a teammate has questioned him, that’s all.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

This guy is a spaz.

Too many blanket, all or nothing statements to be taken seriously.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Listen Bill Jr....

Have you ever before had any familiarization w/the word “sarcasm”?

Ever? Overstatement? Hyperbole to make a point in a potentially more humorous fashion…?

Perhaps CONSIDER that any number of these things MIGHT IN FACT BE POSSIBLE in what you read on the Internet…. Hmmmmmmmmm….

(puzzle your ol’ puzzler ’til your puzzler is sore… and then just maybe, do it a little bit more… something like that)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

so....

when you were saying that ZERO teammates or coaches have ever questioned him….you were being sarcastic? Trying to be funny? Please explain.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

He's FoS

and just spouts nonsense

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm SOOOOOOOOO in your head

=D

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You can believe that if you want.

I just know you’re stupid and I’m letting other people know it so they don’t bother wasting their time with you.

If you were in my head I’d have actually read your fanpost before calling you out on being worthless.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO in your head

(see there… see how the “SOOOOOO” part was longer that time? Means I’m even MORE IN YOUR HEAD than I was last time… Like probably 10 more O’s worth more in your head)

(psssst!!!! 10 more O’s means like a lot more… That’s a lot of O’s…)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll absolutely AMEND if that makes you happy, Bill Jr.

I’ve no problem being wrong…

No players OTHER THAN VERNON DAVIS, A PLAYER FROUGHT W/A HISTORY OF SELFISHNESS AND IMMATURITY — to my knowldege — has ever questioned Michael Crabtree’s character.

Feel better?

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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Clinton calling someone out for cheating on their wife

-- I have many leather-bound books.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Name 1 team player that throws other team players under the bus

The guys have Kyle Williams back for Christ’s sake. Crabs is the only guy with a big enough ego to run his mouth right now.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Compare Stats

and I bet you can’t even tell the two apart.

Both guys have more stats than a lot of people, but they are NOT the star they were drafted to be. Can only hope that Crabtree breaks through.

by reedkrase on Jan 23, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know how you can say chicken/egg

When the TE is right there next to the WR, getting it done. It was a shaky WR corps reduced to almost nothing…….in fact, it even looks worse in hindsight as Edwards and Crabs’ reputations fall to the level of their production.

Smith didn’t play well last night, but the WR really, really killed them as everyone knows. Crabtree has skills but is clearly limited. Luckily its just about the best free agent market for WRs ever this year.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

Everyone doesn't know

Or maybe you’ve seen the All-22… In that case, you might know.

And trying to infer that because the TE makes a couple of plays, that’s PROOF the WRs aren’t, that’s just WRONG…

Maybe it shakes down that away on tape, but your logic is very flawed.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"because the TE makes a couple of plays"

Actually, its more like the TE made a series of big plays over the course of two games, scored 4 TDs and got open regularly…..where Smith was able to connect. Assuming that the WR should be able to do this…..what, half as often…is not unreasonable.

I was at the game, no need for all-22. Why is Davis getting open on a regular basis, and Crabs not?

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh was at the game too...

You think he’ll skip watching the All-22? No need…?

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

No, he probably won't

But before watching it, he will be able to recall simple observations like the fact that our WRs sucked.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

simple because you say so...?

oh, well okay then…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

You do realize that you have NEVER ONCE said anything that hasn't made me smile

-- I have many leather-bound books.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Offensive Scheme

There are some great posts here about getting another quality receiver but I am surprised that the overall offensive scheme has not been scrutinized more. We had the ball near the end of regulation and could not mount a decent drive to get us past mid-field for one of the best kickers in the game. The Giants “D” is pretty good but not that good. I am not enamored with the play calling. On the one hand the coaches seem confident verbally with AS but the play calling does not show it. For me to truly believe in AS’s ability I need to see their belief in him “match” their play calling.

by 49erluv on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

play calling should definitely be either the chicken or the egg here.

Over

by cybermaldonado on Jan 23, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

the coaches seem confident verbally with AS but the play calling does not show it.

NAIL ON THE FREAKING HEAD…

What they truly think of Alex? We’ll get some insight into that when a contract is offered…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see it that way.

If they lack confidence in Alex Smith why don’t they try to run the ball?

That play call that got the Niners the winning TD at the end of the Saints game showed a lot of confidence in Alex IMO.

Over

by cybermaldonado on Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

They couldn't establish the run...

…‘cause they couldn’t get a FREAKING FIRST DOWN.

I haven’t been crazy about much of the playcalling, but they didn’t do much of ANYTHING yesterday… It wasn’t just a lack of trying to establish the run.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

the run was working perfectly fine yesterday

they just didn’t do it enough

Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94

Rule #2) Follow rule #1

by mtl9ers14 on Jan 23, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't RUN if you don't have...

…THE BALL… Ahhhhhhh!!!! I feel like I’m taking CRAZY PILLS!!!

1 for 13 on 3rd down…

And that includes ANTHONY DIXON RUNNING THE BALL like a 132-pound ballerina.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No, you're just kind of hard-headed

and obviously trying to pin the offensive woes on Alex.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

There’s no need to “pin” anything on Alex…

He QB’d a team that was 1 for 13 on 3rd down in the NFC title game.

Other than 2 balls to vernon, a checkdown to Gore, and a worthless end-of-game throw to Delanie Walker, Alex was…

8 of 22 for maybe 25 yards…

He’s the QB, it’s ON HIM WHETHER HE OR ANYONE ELSE likes it or not.

That’s part of the job description, my man… You HAVE.TO.MAKE.PLAYS.

He didn’t play great vs. the Saints, but he DID make the plays at the end to win. Yesterday HE HAD EVEN MORE OPPORTUNITIES and he couldn’t manufacture ANYTHING in crunch time. Not with his arm, not with legs, nothing.

It’s not all on him by a long shot, but HE IS THE QB, and he was unable to DO ANYTHING at the most critical moments of yesterday’s game. He FAIRLY DESERVES plenty of criticism.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you seem pretty level-headed about this

Everything is on him….unable to DO ANYTHING……I’m not sensing the most sophisticated perspective here. Carry on.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Your qualification is "i was at the game"

Very sophisticated. I shall refer to you henceforth as “Bill Walsh Jr.”

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

When you're at the game you can see the whole field

When you’re not, you can’t.

You don’t need to be Bill Walsh to figure that out.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

So at the game you SEE EVERYTHING...

…22 guys running ALL OVER THE FIELD IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS at full speed.

Gimmee a break guys.

You have to watch the All-22 about 25 times for every play, stopping, starting, pausing, rewinding, etc, before you really know what’s exactly happened on any one football play.

And that’s for people who’ve been PAID to do it, that’s for when THEY are evaluating it, not you.

That INCLUDES Bill Walsh. He had to watch film too.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Any thoughts on football? Or are you just obsessed with MOI?

(pronounced MUH-WAHHH… It’s like a Chinese word, something like that)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

( ;-D )

( I’m glad someone appreciated that one… I was quite proud of it myself! )

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude stop fighting it

these guys test out like Rex Ryan when he can see what every player does from the sidelines.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

c'mon... that's like something my kid would come up with

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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure that it shows lack of faith in Alex

Or just plain old “being out of your league”.

I’ve never seen a game called where we consistently went away from what was working, clung to what was not working, decided for some reason to throw in a double toss reverse during a monsoon, and were so predictable in our sequencing that anyone could call the play before the snap. Until now.

If we just threw an incomplete on 1st and 10 and line up in the shotgun, we’re giving a draw to Frank. It will get stuffed and the next play is a pass. If we just ran for 6 yards on 1st down, we’re going to look for a post on 2nd and a high / low out on 3rd and then let Andy Lee on the field.

For the life of me I don’t know why we gave up on the Power and Counter O. Every time we got 2-3 blockers moving in space we were grinding out 6-12 yards. It was the perfect rock to their defense’s scissors and for some stupid reason we kept trying paper just to see what would happen.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Weird, weird playcalling...

And in that regard…

Consistent with playcalling much of the time during the course of the season.

Because of Alex? Because of the lack of speed at WR? Because Harbs/Roman think they’re at Stanford still and want to “impose their will”? Hell, I don’t know…

But I’m kinda sick of seeing Soap and Justin Smith and the Jumbo unbalanced package with Chilo and Boone and Peele and Randy Cross and Harris Barton was on the field for two snaps and so was Eason Ramson… Shifting, being cool, creating matchups, toss right GT counter left to Hunter, I get it… We’re clever, we’re tough, 14-different coaches operate in a defacto QUORUM before deciding by committee on each individual playcall, but…

Can’t we just throw and complete a COUPLE A’ F***ING SLANTS already!!!???

Weird, frustrating offensive day yesterday. WASTED ONE OF THE GREATEST, MOST RESILIANT DEFENSIVE PERFORMANCES I’VE EVER SEEN…

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-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

No

The best defense in the NFL, the best special teams in the NFL, and a little luck that kept the fumbles always bouncing our way got 9-7 talent to 13-3 this year.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll hedge between the two of you and say...

I think we proved BETTER than 9-7 talent this year…

Maybe not 13-3 talent, but the Defense was INCREDIBLE, and the OL was better in spurts than given credit (and I think the OL and Crabtree in particular are better than many think, just imo).

Yesterday? I think we’re SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN THE GIANTS everywhere but…

QB and WR.

(…and QB is the WORST place to be at a disadvantage)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Bottom line for me…we can’t expect the Defense to be this good next year and we have to expect the offense to be much better.

Unlike in the past, I’m confident that the decision makers…Ballke, Harbaugh and staff, will do what needs to be done to improve this team. That doesn’t guarantee a Super Bowl but I think we’re back in the playoffs next year.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

completely agree...

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

i have complete trust in staff and gm

only thing i didn’t really like this year was a lot of the gameday playcalling…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Point taken, good point...

And I LIKE the offense and philosophy in general…

Just wasn’t crazy about the playcalling during quite a few games.

Thought the same thing when Mooch was the playcaller… Great offense and design, some sketchy gameday playcalling at times, though.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for stepping off the ledge

I think that questioning some of the play calling yesterday, or any game really, is valid.

I just can’t buy the logic that says the play calling goes from genius to crap in one week.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear you

plus Harbaugh>Mooch x 1,000,000.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Normally I fully agree with the slants

But poor Kyle was getting manhandled at the line (or just slipping, wtf was up with that, you’d think our equip guys would be prepared) and Crabs wasn’t faring much better against Webster. Those guys were pretty resolute that if we were going to beat them in the air it was going to be deep.

But by doing so they were making it easy for our WR to block them on those counters and powers and we were eating them up because they had to bracket Davis with a LB and S. We pound them hard and those become constraint plays that punish the defense for selling out to what we really want to do.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You would think that with Webster’s hamstring injury Crabs could have gotten a little more seperation to get some targets in the game?

by Mapletreemarty on Jan 23, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You would think so.

I thought so. I was wrong.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw that game ... yesterday ... that exact game
I’ve never seen a game called where we consistently went away from what was working, clung to what was not working, decided for some reason to throw in a double toss reverse during a monsoon, and were so predictable in our sequencing that anyone could call the play before the snap. Until now.

by bignerd on Jan 23, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta give it to Alex

The popular response on ESPN @ least is 49ers WRs were not open. What I saw was Alex looking for VD when he wasn’t there he’d pull the ball down & look to run. Alex looked like Alex when VD had his breakout season the following year teams started keying in on VD & Alex refused to throw to anyone else. I think Alex is a one read QB when it’s not there he doesn’t go through his progressions. I also noticed Alex telegraphs his passes on quick throws NO picked up on it they had numerous batted balls NYG noticed it as well; Alex is not a short QB so that wouldn’t be an issue. I noticed in the NO game that Alex waits for the WR to make their break instead of anticipating the route & throwing the ball BEFORE the WR makes his move, Alex literally throws to the WR while Eli was throwing to a spot. Not to drown Alex in it Idk why Roman went away from the run in wk 10 NYG dared Alex to beat them crowding the line this time around they played the pass & Roman kept trying to beat them with the pass instead of taking what was there. Just what I’ve observed.

by 49ers_Lakers_Yankees on Jan 23, 2012 12:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well if Tom Jackson says so it MUST BE TRUE...

ESPN is a TV SHOW… Nothing more.

The All-22 has to be scrutinized, and we’ll never know even then ‘cause Harbaugh won’t say anything.

Some good points, but it’s all just conjecture without pouring over the film and watching each play two-dozen times…

We’ll know what Harbs thinks come contract time.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I can tell you about the quick throws

And this comes straight from Harbaugh’s mouth when he was doing a coaching clinic so I can tell you with confidence this is exactly what he is teaching Alex. Search youtube for Harbaugh Coaching Clinic and it’s a wonderful hour and a half of gold.

On the quick slant IIRC you have to be looking at your key well before you hit drop depth because as soon as your plant foot hits that ball comes out if you’ve made the decision to throw. The key on the quick slant is the underneath zone defender. If you’re looking somewhere else and you quickly turn and make that throw you will be taken to the house for 6 the other way as often as not.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll tell you this much...

…and I’d bet my house on it…

Alex doesn’t get a good grip on the football CONSISTENTLY in order to make quick throws (1 and 3-step). Hand size, finger strength, whatever… Who knows exactly. But the guy is CONSTANTLY fiddling on the sideline w/a football and licking his fingers, and stressing about getting a good grip, etc.

Not uncommon for a QB… Have known TONS of guys always searching for that perfectly TACKY ball, that “pearl” just worn in to the perfect degree so it’s still fairly new, but not SLICK. It’s not a mystery why HANDSIZE is a largely scrutinized quality in an NFL QB. It’s not just because of fumbles by any stretch of the imagination.

And UNLIKE COLLEGE BALL, Alex ain’t free to PICK THE BALLS HE USES during games. So sometimes he’s accurate on quick throws, but he’s struggled his ENTIRE CAREER. He’s not just more comfortable in the gun because he played at Utah, he’s more comfortable throwing most of those routes because the ball doesn’t need to be out as quickly.

Sometimes he’s accurate with the quick throws… But not CONSISTENTLY. And yep… NO CHANCES TAKEN YESTERDAY on a RAINY DAY by Harbs/Roman that Alex throws LATE or throws wild resulting in a PICK-6 on a slant or any other quick throw.

That REALLY HURTS Roman’s ability to call the game, as well as his ability to get his QB into rythymn (…still can’t spell that GD-word…!). Most playcallers use 3-step 90-series throws early as “CB’s”. That’s coachspeak for “Confidence Builders”. You get your QB a couple of hitches, a couple of quick outs and BOOM! He’s now in rythym…

Roman can’t consistently do that w/Alex, and definitely not in the rain. I mean, did they even ATTEMPT a quick throw the entire game? None come to mind. And the Giants pressed a lot and took away a lot of the 5-step underneath throws that Alex connected on in the first game.

Just a dismal day offensively on so many levels…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you are right.

Rainy day, slick ball, hard grip anyway — I hadn’t thought about that.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought........

teams did get to pick which balls are used & only in the SB do they use brand new balls??

by 49ers_Lakers_Yankees on Jan 23, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith is 6’4" …. his hands can’t be that small…

Garcia was 6’1" and he didn’t have any issues making quick throws

by Mapletreemarty on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Height isn't a good indicator of hand size

Take for example the Senior Bowl weigh ins. Russell Wilson has 10" hands and he’s only 5’10".

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 23, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Handsize makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE for a QB

For instance…

Favre’s hand makes Alex’s look like a little girl… Lots of QBs in the NFL have huge hands.

And in the NFL, each time is REQUIRED to use NEW NFL GAME BALLS.

I believe the rule has changed allowing each team to remove the WAXY-ish COATING before the game, but you are NOT allowed to use older footballs. In College, I used to start throwing w/the actual gameballs on a Thursday. You’d play catch while one-hopping the balls to each other to get them worked in and a little bit scuffed up and tacky.

An NFL QB w/a large hand can typically get a FAR MORE SECURE grip on a new gamer than the guy w/the smaller hand. And HOW you grip the ball plays a big part, too. Guys who put a lot of pressure on their INDEX finger as opposed to more even pressure, they can often find it harder to throw new balls (the index finger SLIDES off the ball instead of sticking and allowing you to DRIVE THE BALL off of your hand).

As I recall, Troy Aikman used to have a HORRIBLE time throwing new balls and wet balls because of his particular grip… Jeff Garcia I think I recall having issue w/a smaller hand size as well. And no one ever accused Jeff of being a consistent “spiral thrower”.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

They did away with the "small hands" myth about two weeks into his career.

This is getting more and more bizarre.

Its like, every single statement you make is hyperbolic nonsense.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

small hands myth?

so you played qb in college with 9 1/2 inch hands too?

what an AMAZING coincidence…

I personally found having smaller hands a CONSIDERABLE disadvantage both as a player and as a coach of QBs…

But I’m very glad you found it to be a “myth”.

You are so very wise Bill Walsh Jr.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

LOLOLOL.

God help whatever kind of team you coached……though usually a claim like that, in a setting like this, is about as phony as possible.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill Jr.

Don’t say that…

I TRULY BELIEVE that you are indeed a “Stoned Slacker”… Your posts make that very easy to believe.

And the other guy… Hell, I’d mad too if my PP was burning.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

and who is "they"?

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Look for shots of Cam Newton holding the football

It looks like he’s holding one of those tiny novelty footballs. He has the longest fingers I’ve ever seen. Like an alien, lol.

by Bigmouth on Jan 23, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Bullsh*t... That's a "myth"

Cam Newton’s the same as everybody else.

“They” proved that like 2 weeks ago……

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

(Pssst!!! Bill Jr.!)

(My comment right up there, that’s SARCASM…)

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Kinda creeps me out , to here a man ask a about another mans hands ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't say "EVERY QB W/SMALL HANDS CAN'T THROW SLANTS"

That’s not the point…

The point is that small hands CAN negatively impact a QB.

Garcia? He didn’t throw a ton of spirals… That can hurt on windy days or in bad weather. Hand size MIGHT have affected his ability to throw spirals, but you’d have to ask him. In fact, I just THINK I recall he had smaller hands like Alex, but I’m not positive…

In my case… I didn’t like one-step throws. I had no problem w/3-step routes, but on 1-step throws you have to be able to make an accurate throw EVEN IF YOU DON’T GET A CLEAN GRIP ON THE LACES (and often you don’t because, you don’t have time to spin the ball if you don’t get the laces cleanly on the snap; the ball has to be out-of-your-hand IMMEDIATELY).

I’d almost always check to a Hitch instead of throwing a 1-step WR Screen, unless I was throwing it from a hash to the short side of the field. Didn’t feel comfortable making a 30-yard throw on a line if I didn’t have my fingers on the laces.

It was also tougher to take snaps from Centers that didn’t always put the snap in the same place. Every now and again you play w/a Center who will (for example) snap it slightly to the left or right if he’s immediately blocking down on a Tackle playing a 1-technique. Or he might snap it a tad short if he’s got a NT head up on him, or snap it a tad deep if he’s dropping it to Pass Protection.

The QBs with giant hands, they just easily collect the ball wherever it is… Guys like me w/smaller hands, the ball might hit the side of your hand or the heel of your palm if you didn’t anticipate the subtle shift in direction and ride the Center accordingly.

A zillion little different aspects like that CAN play a part…

My thoughts on Alex come from watching him struggle to throw 90-series and 1-step routes for the last 7 years… And I think his accurracy issues on these throws are a result of his NOT GETTING A CONSISTENTLY GOOD GRIP ON THE LACES before his back foot hits and he needs to release the ball. These are rythym throws that he should be able to place on his receivers IN STRIDE 90+% of the time.

I’ll bet he does just that when he does NOT have to take the ball from under center.

And it’s OBVIOUS he struggles with gripping the football at times. He talked about it yesterday. And it’s not a KNOCK on #11. LOTS of QBs struggle w/their grip. Look at how he’s always holding onto the football on the sideline, always making a throw or two before coming back onto the field… It’s not to keep his arm warm, it’s to try and maintain a good grip and feel on the football.

Simply put, if Alex had a large hand, I doubt it would be an issue and I’d wager that he’d throw the 3-step routes w/much greater accurracy and consistency.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like the NFL

would start using a “beadier” ball to help out the qbs. Give em a better grip so the control would be better. There has got to be some high techies out there that have already invented a “wondergrip” ball for the NFL to use.

by Dukeston1 on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Never understood why the NFL makes QBs use brand new balls

As long as each team is using the same regulation Wilson NFL Gameball, why does the league care if it’s brand new or worked in a little bit?

You’d think they’d want their QBs — there most valuable commodity and attraction — to be able to use a football that they could throw with the most accuracy.

Many, many QBs dislike throwing brand new, right-out-of-the-box gamers… They’ve got a waxy coating on them and can be pretty slick.

I actually changed my grip and delivery to accomodate for this when I got to college… And once a QB starts throwing a bunch of ducks, it can sometimes start getting into your head.

Alex very quietly and discreetly shows signs of having issues w/this… He’s always holding on to a ball on the sideline. He’s constantly licking his fingertips. He talks about in the press a little more than just every now and again… And more than anything, he struggles to be consistently accurate when throwing slants, quick outs, WR screens and other routes where the ball has to be received from under center and released by the time your back foot plants on your third step (2 seconds or less).

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 24, 2012 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I was at the game, I watched the recievers

I recall only one play where Crabs was open and Alex threw to someome else, a chexk down to Gore.

Our Wide Recievers did not get open all game. IIRC, Crabs only had one catch in the first Giants game as well. Except back then we had Kyle, Braylon, and Ginn to help carry the load (and a 100% Walker) instead of Kyle and a not 100% Walker.

extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."

by Badly Browned on Jan 23, 2012 1:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah?

So when KW was streaking down the field & AS overthrew him he wasn’t open?? I think there’s differing opinions on the definition of open considering it’s a issue of perception there will always be separate POVs

by 49ers_Lakers_Yankees on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Open like how the Giants recievers would get open, especially when Eli was pressured.
I remember looking downfield for anyone on those plays where Alex gor flushed and all of his options were well covered and he’d throw it away.

Of course thats by memory. Id love to look at the film. However, we still had Brett Swaim as our #3 WR in an NFCCG. We have to upgrde the talent and depth of the WR corps.

extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."

by Badly Browned on Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Obviously KW had them beat

and it was overthrown……but jeez, Rodgers and Brady don’t make that throw 100% of the time either. Tough to knock a guy for falling short of perfection – plenty of other, fairer stuff to rip Smith on in that game.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 23, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not burying Smith

but he was far from perfect. There was really no rhythm all the way around on offense.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude don't lie

Alex Smith occasionally checks down to his outlet and when he does, some subset of those passes are even catchable.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Plan for the Off Season.

I had posted this on another site but thought it was applicable to this topic.

How I see we can improve. I’ll list my ideal draft to address some needs along with FA pickups.

WR – I believe that we can address this need through FA. Rookie wide outs rarely every make an immediate impact especially where we are drafting. Love for the Niners to get Vincent Jackson and take a flyer on Steve Smith who was on IR this year. We need a true #1 and put Crabtree who is clearly not a #1 into his #2 slot. Smith could slot in as a #2/3 with whomever they plan to draft and develope fighting with Williams, Morgan and Ginn for the 4th-5th. Speaking of Ginn we need to resign him, but not if he is obviously overpriced.

QB – Biggest thing to do this offseason is to resign Alex Smith. That should be the number 1 priority. Lets see his growth and confidence grow further under Harbs for season 2. I can’t put the blame on him for this game because of the playcalling and the Giants D was legit. Can’t expect him to hit VD as his only weapon out there.

RB – Gore isn’t getting any younger. It isn’t a pressing need but it could come up really fast. I’m a big Hunter fan but he’s not an every down back. Boobie is just “bleh” and I could easily see him being released. If we can get good value in a draft position I see us pulling the trigger.

FB – Norris is done here. Miller is a stud and I can see him developing further especially in the recieving side of the ball. We could use some depth so I can see us signing some UDFA’s and working them out at that position.

OT – Staley and Davis got no complaints. Another year working as a unit with a full pre-season and I can see a dominating line. Always can use some depth tho which will be addressed in the draft.

TE – Agreed VD is elite but with Harbs system he wants 2-3 TE’s. Walker is good but I actually can see him shifting over to reciever some. This is a need to be addressed in the draft.

OG – Iupati is a stud and should be a consistent force on that line. Snyder and Rachal can pack their bags. Would love to get Carl Nicks as he’s a local product and would shore up that line for years.

C – Goodwin has been solid for us but he’s getting up there. I really like the niners to draft versatility guys. OL that can move between positions and this draft has a couple I have in mind.

On the defensive side of things. We should resign Dashon Goldson, Carlos Rogers, Blake Costanzo, and CJ Spillman. If Brooks is too expensive we let him walk. I’d actually rather have brooks than Haralson but oh well.

As for the draft. I posted this on another site but here goes for each round.

1. I have two wishes here either will work. Cordy Glenn OG/OT he has the versatility to move into either position and hes a monster of a man that will shore up our O-line and maybe make it top 3 in the league. He could even push Davis into the guard position if Davis fails to be more consistent.
Peter Konz C/OG would be a pro-bowl center in this league and a solid guard if we slot him into that position. The key here with either is versatility as they both can fill multipule needs.

2. I could also go two ways here. We may need to trade up here. Jared Crick DE/DT I actually see this as a big need. Justin Smith is not getting any younger, and he can take Crick whos 6’6" and 285lbs under his wing. Dwight Jones WR the guy is gonna be a stud. But like most rookie recievers he’ll take some time to get acclimated into the system. This is why we need a true #1 to take the pressure off the youngsters.

3. Juron Criner WR I don’t think he’s quite as polished as Jones but he can still make an impact. I’d also like to target Trumaine Johnson CB/S as we need more size and depth here.

4. Ladarius Green TE – The guy is a 6’6" beast. He’s got good speed. He could stand to put on another 15-20lbs, but after seeing what huge TE’s are doing in this league we need a big target to pair with VD and DW. I’d love to get Fleener but no way he’s falling this far and we have more pressing needs with the early picks.

5. Tauren Poole RB – He’s got decent burst and he’s strong. Gotta love the name!

6. Cliff Harris CB/KR – Off field issues are gonna drop him down but he’s got some talent we just need to make him a believer in the Harbaugh system.

7. Josh Norman CB – Another large CB could take a flyer on.

by AthleticsReign on Jan 23, 2012 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

biggest thing this offseason is too hope dree brees is not franchised and to sign drew drees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Too Many Posts To Read At Work But I Saw A Few that Struck A Nerve

Let’s keep a couple of things in mind.

1) If not for a couple of Special Teams errors we would most likely be talking about going to the Super Bowl.

Our "conservative" play had us the lead and the ball coming to us in the 4th qtr when the first turnover occurred. And we were getting the ball in overtime in decent field position when the second occurred.

I don’t think we were too conservative, rather Niner offense was playing smart. Having said all that, I we need Joshua Morgan back and need to bolster the roster at wide receiver.

Crabs has show occasional flashes but only occasional. Ginn was unproductive and injured too often. Williams, Swain and Hastings were virtual non contributors.

Granted Alex Smith didn’t have gaudy stats but like I said before, "If not for a couple of Special Teams errors we would most likely be talking about going to the Super Bowl"

2) The other thing that would have kept the Niners moving on would have been to get some turnovers.

Well we didn’t, our D-Backs were too aggressive. We lost two interceptions because too many D-Back were making a play on the ball. Bad luck but Great Hustle by them. We have several that are on a one year contract, I believe Rogers, Whitner and Goldson. I think we should push to sign all three!

Great Season! I Loved The Ride!

by MO Bond on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

good post!

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Good points

The Niners played basically the same game that got them to the Championship game. And playing that way would have got them to the Superbowl no problem without a few bad breaks.

Over

by cybermaldonado on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

whitner is on a three year deal

Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94

Rule #2) Follow rule #1

by mtl9ers14 on Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

goldson clobbered both the cb’s

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been thinking about this for a while

Get a speedster WR in Free Agency. (Meachem, Colston, or Johnson)
Draft: Get some depth on D-Line (Justin Smith isn’t getting any younger), O-Line, and secondary. They can go in any around except 2nd, where they could draft Coby Fleener, who’s a huge Red Zone target that’s athletic too. In the late rounds, take a flyer on Marvin McNutt (Iowa) or Marvin Jones (Cal), who are tall, physical receivers.

I don’t know why some mocks have us taking Alshon Jeffrey. He is NOT gonna fall down to the back end of the draft, unless he REALLY stinks up his Combine and Pro Day. With Sanu, I’m not too sure he’s a gamebreaker. Sort of afraid he’s gonna turn out to be a Rashaun Woods.

by sj_sharkie12boy on Jan 23, 2012 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

Colston & Johnson??

Colston is not a speedster & Idk who you’re referring to when you say Johnson hopefully not Bryant Johnson we already tried that experiment.

by 49ers_Lakers_Yankees on Jan 23, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

he means stevie, of the bills

by uspsuperman on Jan 23, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh ok

Problem with Stevie is drops other than that I like his skillset but that’s not a minor thing

by 49ers_Lakers_Yankees on Jan 23, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

No to Stevie !

Leave him where he is. Flashes of brilliance does not a good teammate make.

by 49erluv on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

The dude dominated Revis

I’m all in Stevie Johnson, I just don’t think he leaves the Bills.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Stevie Johnson only dominates Revis

and is human against most other CBs. For some reason he’s Revis’ kryptonite.

That being said, he’d be an upgrade. He’d also be a dose of swagger on an offense that totally lacks in that department.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I tend to disagree

The Bills offense became one dimensional after Fred Jackson went down and no one knows the names of any other WR or TE on that team.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, Colston isn’t the fastest guy in the world, but he seems faster than Crabtree and can get better separation on his routes.

by sj_sharkie12boy on Jan 23, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

That’s interesting Idk how Crabtree got this reputation for being slow maybe it was the Al Davis snubbing. When it comes to FA’s I think you gotta be careful scheme & QB can make a player look better than he is.

by 49ers_Lakers_Yankees on Jan 23, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Crab ain’t a burner by any stretch, but no one ever said he was.

And he’s had quite a few explosive plays EVERY SINGLE SEASON HE’S PLAYED FOR THE 49ERS… His numbers have improved every single year as well.

I think Crabtree will or would be a BEAST with a QB who is more accurate. Hell, he may become a beast in 2012 will Alex Smith. They developed better chemistry as the season progressed and I hope that continues.

QBs make receivers FAR more than the other way around… Solomon and Clark were not exactly Rice and Taylor. Didn’t stop Montana from being BRILLIANT…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not degrading Crabtree or anything, nor willing to cut/trade him like some other people said for 3rd rounders (?) I’m just saying that we need some more depth there. Thought Braylon could’ve provided some extra options for Smith, but getting injured really put him in a bad spot.

by sj_sharkie12boy on Jan 24, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree

Though I do think there’s more going on w/the Braylon thing than just “he was injured”……

Brett Swain? You’re gonna go w/Brett Swain in the playoffs instead of Braylon Edwards, 100% healthy or not…?

I don’t think so. More to that story than just injury…

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 24, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

maturity

Lack of maturity on kyle williams. There were basic football plays.
1… stay away from a football if you can’t field it or catch it cleanly.
2. two hands on the football going into a crowd. (pop warner stuff)
3. crabtree is a bust, it will shown even more next year. trade him for a good draft pick.

by Allah Chingada on Jan 23, 2012 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

what is crabtree’s value at this point? 4th rounder? If that. What would be the point?

by uspsuperman on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

What is our Identity?

Going forward I believe it is crucial for Harbaugh to decide what he wants this team to be. I am definately in favor of improving the receivers but we need to be realistic..TRULY realistic…about Alex Smith’s talent. Can he stand in the pocket, set his feet, take the hit and deliver accurately to a speedier receiver? Are we trying to be a monstrous defense team like the Ravens that won the SB with Trent Dilfer at quarterback? I just hate to see us be a team that scores just enough and hope the defense can hold on every week. I will say I love the fundamentals of how Harbaugh has us playing defense. Offensively though… not so much.

by 49erluv on Jan 23, 2012 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

im looking at a playmaker in the first round

Doesn’t matter the position. No need to over reach for a WR in the first round and waste it just because of need. I like bringing Jackson back home. Deep threat and a return man, can afford the loss of Teddy Ginn. Resign our Defensive starters that are FA without over paying. Looking at you Goldson. Besides WR this team is stacked. Were in a good place. Alex coming back is logical and is gonna happen so no need to argue that. This team is going to get a lot of hype going into next season and well deserved but hope the team uses this loss as motivation and comes into camp in beast mode.

by Ador08 on Jan 23, 2012 12:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I expected to come to this site today to lay into you guys because I figured it would be a blowout

instead, I have a REAL respect for your team. That D is no jokes. Eli takes some serious hits from time to time. But the 49ers gave him a highlight films’ worth in one game. All I can say is WOW! That being said, if I could chime in on your chicken/egg convo, here’s something our GM said during the draft after Plax shot himself. The Cardinals offered A. Boldin for our #1 pick and Reese turned it down. The talking heads were killing him saying “best case scenario, that draft pick becomes as good as Boldin. So why take that chance when you trade for the real thing” Well Reese said “WRs don’t make the QB, the QB makes the WR. And we believe we have the QB in place to do that with a young group of receivers”. This turned out to be true, and if you look throughout the league, it’s true for every team. Brandon Marshall was an all pro with Jay Cutler, and he’s “overrated” with Matt Moore. Steve Smith had 103 receptions with Eli and 11 with philly. Patrick Creighton was a star on the rise with the cowboys and I’m not even sure he’s still in the league. Before Favre, who knew who Sidney Rice was? Now, he’s a forgotten man again. My point is, I think you’ve got a good receiver in Crabtree, I think you need the QB to bring it out of him…Just my outside opinion. Congratz on a great year, and good luck in the offseason.

I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 23, 2012 1:15 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Look...Crabtree appears to be a good guy, BUT........................

In the Giants game, great players rise their game level (anyone notice Victor Cruz?).

Vernon Davis also kicked Ass.

You cannot tell me that Crabtree was not the least player of all Pass catchers on the field.

Vernon & Cruz PROVED they are great.

Nicks & Manningham showed up to play.

Rusty Delanie did more than Crabtree who did no more than Swain & Hastings which was NOTHING!

All I got to say is Michael Crabtree better be breaking his butt trying to get more productive in the off-season…..and this 2102 season he better be the FIRST & LAST guy in & out of training camp.

Michael Crabtree ain’t no STAR, so he still has a TON to Prove if you ask me.

by BigMar on Jan 23, 2012 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Great idea...Trade Crabs for Megatron

With that Baalke will be exec of the year again :D

Seriously though I hope we get Bowe. Colston and Welker I think are more the product of good QBs and the Jacksons have character issues which may be detrimental to the locker room.

"We ask no quarter, we give no quarter" - Jim Harbaugh

by Method24 on Jan 23, 2012 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

We need to trade for Dwight Howard.

He clearly wants out of Orlando and he would win jumps balls against anyone in this league, even Megatron. GET DWIGHT HOWARD!

Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer

by afrikabamboodle on Jan 23, 2012 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

commissioner would veto it

The Cavs would through a hissy fit after they failed to get Gronk at swingman.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I say go after Plax he missed the bus this year but we were obviously interested.

He can still make plays and demand respect, big target guy we thought Edwards could be but better IMO the best free agent available

by AK49e on Jan 23, 2012 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

Well as far as your QB situation..you might even have it in Kaepernick..he probably needs time to be taught by your coaches..but even if he's not hopefully you guys don't reach for a QB b/c of "need".

And between the draft full of WR you should be able to get something pretty good.
Welker is not going anywhere,I’m sure and I don’t agree that Brady makes him…he’s a stud as a slot guy.
Colston could probably be had..the Jacksons are cancers..Bowe seemingly will be franchised by that moribound team before they would lose him.
Stud OLine so your O will have a chance to improve as time goes on.
Great season.

All the way to a Super Bowl victory like a knife through butter
JPP Is hands down the best DE in the NFL right now
Can't spell Elite without ELI
Jerry Reese for President 2012..let's make that happen!

by Shaunthegiant on Jan 23, 2012 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

WR No Doubt

Alex isn’t the most accurate QB in the NFL and that will always keep him from being one of the elites. Now after saying that, he had no WR weapons once Morgan went down. Crabtree doesn’t have the skill set to be anything but a third or fourth receiver. He is slow, not explosive, and without quick feet. Not a very good skill set for a WR. Williams is an undrafted player and that is exactly what his ability is. His skill set is very limited as well. First round draft pick needs to be a WR as well as signing a top free agent WR.

by The Sear on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM PST reply actions  

This comment from Rodgers says a lot about this TEAM and might enhance other's to come ...!!

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/01/23/free-agent-cb-rogers-says-he-wants-to-stay-in-san-francisco/

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 23, 2012 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

New CBA

Thank god for the new CBA that forces the Yorks to spend money. That can only help this franchise.

by The Sear on Jan 23, 2012 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

Looks like Ginn wasn't just missed on special teams

For all of the crap ignorant people give him, he HAS been much better this season at the WR position. One thing most haters don’t realize, is even though he may not get a ton of receptions, he opens up the field for everyone else with his SPEED. I noticed it throughout the year, and even in the replay of the 1st Niners/Giants game this year. Lastly, I’m thinking that if Ginn was in instead of Williams on that deep shot Alex threw to Kyle, it would have been a TD because Ginn is faster and could have run under it better.

by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 23, 2012 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

I don't love Ginn

but after he renegotiated he was worth every penny. I’m happy to put him in the game to run a few routes to tire out the secondary, but the dude has lead hands on the rare occasion Alex Smith hits him deep. He can remain a return specialist but he is not someone we should be talking about starting at the WR position.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

He’s a 4th/5th wide receiver who should be in for a subset of plays.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get this "lead" hands from so many people

When he first came into the league, sure he had the dropsies, but I don’t see how people haven’t seen the dramatic improvement ever since he’s arrived in SF. He has made several tough catches this year, and I can only think of one clear “drop” which happened during the 1st Giants game.

by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 23, 2012 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

This is essentially correct

Ginn has the speed to stretch the field, unlike any of our other receivers. His value in the return game is immeasurable.

Bad points are that he’s not very good at actually catching the ball (weird, since he’s good at catching punts) and he’s oft-injured.

But yes, resign him quickly, please.

by Joe Como on Jan 23, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Cruz available??

or do the Giants have him locked up?

by Doni S on Jan 23, 2012 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

He's locked up through 2013

Manningham is a free agent, though. He’s one of the better second tier receivers on the market.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

pass on manningham

he was benched in favor of Cruz because he was clueless on his routes…@ least that’s what they said in Yahoo fantasy

by Doni S on Jan 23, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

There are only like 15 receivers in this league

who wouldn’t be benched for Cruz. But yeah, Manningham’s best skill is his speed. He’s Ted Ginn with better hands.

by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex and receivers

The plan worked. Great defense, no offensive turnovers. Alex hit a couple of great ones and then mostly check-downs. When no one was open he threw the ball away. IMO, that was the plan. Even the longer throws were thrown so that only the receiver could catch them. Mission accomplished for Alex. IMO there could have been more long throws called by the coaches. The receivers were not creating separation. Whether that was because of great coverage, yes in part, or lack of route running skill or speed or quickness, who knows? Maybe all of that. I do believe an upgrade at WR is needed. Hopefully some one with real speed and quickness that secondaries fear and will create opportunities for others. We’ve seen that Alex can throw a good long ball. Not that he does every time, but he’s made some impressive on the money long throws. IMO another really good TE would also fit this system very well and take some attention away from VD.

by petillius7 on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

Williams can, he displayed that yesterday.

"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"

by rlott#42 on Jan 23, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

um no

KW might be faster than him….Ginn doesn’t run an extra 8 yards

by mrg80 on Jan 24, 2012 3:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Upgrade from both those guys if possible

It’s fine if they’re back as well… Just NOT as the #2 and #3 WRs.

If they’re just 4th and 5th WR’s adding depth… Fine. And Ginn did a nice job returning kicks.

But if you’re able to get a #1 guy, or a #2 guy (w/Crab as the #1), get Morgan back healthy… Then UPGRADE from Ginn or Williams if you can, and if you can’t, fine.

And I like Williams more as a WR, and obviously Ginn more as a returner.

DeSean would be perfect, but he will likely command much too large a contract.

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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 24, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair characterization of AS play

there are good things with AS but a string of 3 tds / 300 yd games is not one of them. He didn’t lose this particular game but he also didn’t win it despite opportunities.

I am with you where I wonder where the first round pick will go. It would be interesting if a top tier TE will be available in the first or second. One thing that it allows is sliding Delanie Walker over to WR on some plays, which we do sometimes already. Match up nightmares. The two TE set is becoming something special in the NFL and having depth at the position is key.

I doubt a top tier WR will be available in bottom of the first round and our experience tells us, if they aren’t AJ Green/Megatron quality, they take too long to develop out of the first round. I think we probably go best available for OG/C/CB/S/DE/OLB/RB in no particular order. Even if you resign quality FA pickups (and Goldson) from last season, any of the above positions could stand to be improved. Spend some free agency money on a WR, and give the backup QBs a legitimate chance to unseat Alex Smith in the preseason. Also, do whatever it takes to incentivize the team to have +26 turnovers against many division winning teams (the same pain SEA went thru from 2010 vs 2011).

by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey... Drew Kerr?

Has anyone thought to do a Wellness Check (or whatever it’s called) on him after yesterday?

His conspicuous absence is starting to worry me.

<AleX Smith WILL be taking the 49ers to a Super Bowl. Probably… Maybe. Like maybe 75%… Perhaps. /em>

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

he was banned after the Saints game

We had a significant disagreement about how I believe people should act at Niners Nation and accordingly he is no longer welcome at the site.

by David Fucillo on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

huh... had no idea.

Sorry for bringing it up. Not attempting to stir the pot.

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

no worries

Nothing too hide. Nothing for you to apologize about.

by David Fucillo on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing for you to apologize about.

Not yet… ;-D

-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.

by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

WR keepers.

Morgan, Ginn, Williams. I want to say Crab but I watched every game and I feel Morgan did more with his short amount of time than crab..I do understand crab was nursing an injury all season too but ffs how many crucial drops can you make? I know Ginn has done the same hell I actualy watched him with OSU but he can return a ball! Williams (as a reciever) was good imo. We need a Rice or a young T.O. I hope FA gives us that. Djackson could be helpful bit seems risky…

by SFOpsidian49 on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

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