2012 NFL Free Agents: Carlos Rogers Wants To Return To 49ers
by David Fucillo on Jan 23, 2012 4:30 PM PST
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As we move forward into the 2012 offseason, the 49ers have plenty of free agents to deal with in the coming months. One of the most prominent 49ers free agents is Pro Bowl cornerback Carlos Rogers. After hanging around free agency for a while this past offseason, Rogers signed a one year deal with the 49ers.
There had been question marks about his hands during his time with the Washington Redskins, but in one season with the 49ers he put it all together and had his best season as a pro. He struggled yesterday in the first half against Victor Cruz, but he bounced back with a solid second half and capped off a fantastic year.
Rogers spoke with the media today and made it very clear that he wants to return to the 49ers with a long term contract. He went so far as to say he would take a team discount because of how much he enjoys the organization. It sounds like the 49ers acknowledged they wouldn't necessarily be able to match a highest offer given the market for strong cornerbacks, but Rogers says he is not simply intent on taking the highest offer.
Free agency gets going on March 13, but the 49ers get exclusive negotiating rights until then. The 49ers have some solid young talent at cornerback, but locking up Rogers for the next few years would be a solid step for this team. He turns 31 before the start of next season, but he appears to still have several solid years in front of him.
The 49ers also have the opportunity to place the franchise tag on Rogers if needed, but I would not be surprised if they elected to use that on Dashon Goldson. The 49ers have numerous free agents so they'll need to work on getting the right guys at the right contracts. I'm doing a bit of research on cap numbers and the like and will hopefully have that available in the next day or two.
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franchising Goldson
And a team friendly contract with Rodgers would be ideal. Everybody that played on the defense this year deserves to come back and give it a shot for the title next year.
by Ador08 on Jan 23, 2012 4:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
KEEP THE D (chant)
And let the offense start sorting. Priority is keeping solid line. Then put some coaching and personnel together. I am inc TE’s as ‘line’. Besides line, every other position in offense is open for work. Inc Alex(sorry).
Bill “the Genius” was an unsentimental analyst when it came to evaluation, and I hope big Jim is as well.
by TheCatch81 on Jan 23, 2012 4:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
We need to keep Carlos Rogers and Goldson.
I would hope that Goldson expresses some intent to come back next year and the years ahead. That would be fantastic.
Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!!
I think he's earned a jonathan joseph type contract
For comparison, joseph got 5 years, $49 million, $24 guaranteed. Granted, Joseph is 3 years younger than Rogers and arguably had a better season — but Rogers is still a pro-bowl caliber CB, and there aren’t many of those on the market.
My prediction: 4 years, $35 million, $15 guaranteed. I think Carlos might want a longer contract, but hopefully he’ll take a 4 year deal just to stay with the team.
One bad half should get him less?
LoL
He earned his money this year.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 24, 2012 7:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
followed up with an excellent shut down half
People forget that Fangio put Rogers on an island against Eli and Cruz. He came up huge in the second half, and is a really good corner. For how much longer it’s not clear, but Rogers can ball.
Because we have someone better to replace him???
I am kind of dazed and confused with that call.
by Joe Jon Kerr on Jan 24, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Rogers
Rogers won’t get anything close to Joseph. He’ll get 3 years at 18-20 probably.
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yes
Joseph is much older and not as good…
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You mean, Joseph is much younger and much better?
Joseph was probably one of the top two corners in the league last season. Another factor where corners won’t get as much as last season was that Nnamdi was in the market, and so that inflated prices.
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that
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fair point
but there are not a lot of corners on the market this year. Its possible that increases rogers value, not decreases it.
Re-sign the D.
Draft for the O. We’re honestly only a few pieces away from a really complete team.
QB won't be available in late first. =P
by asmithisaverage on Jan 23, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Good.
Harbaugh traded for Kaep and said Alex will be back.
PLEASE can the people who aren’t Alex fans don’t do this all offseason?
Not defending him at all, just dont want to read this crap for another eight months on every thread like I know I probably will have to.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 24, 2012 7:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
We need a free agent back up quarterback.
We already have one untried inexperienced quarterback on the bench. We do not need two.
by Joe Jon Kerr on Jan 24, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
Offensive Offence
If the 49ers hope to ever win another Super Bowl they MUST GET A DECENT QUARTERBACK!!!! Sorry about Alex Smith but he is not the answer. The 49ers will never get there with Alex behind center.
Mike Hagerty
by Michael H on Jan 23, 2012 4:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you Coach ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
TOO FUNNY
How do you think any other Qb would do. When you have A. No time B. No receivers open C. Running for your life. Alex took way to many Hits and SAcks. If he was clean then maybe but I dont care who you put in there they would have been worse. People that dont know how to look at game film Irk me. Look at the real game film and see the big pidture not what is shown on tv. The whole field. Then tell me we need a new QB………… A bird in the hand is worth Two in the Bush. Alex will be a Pro Bowler next year mark my words(barring Injury).
Alex is a beast hope he gets five more yrs and 3 superbowl rings . It would be awsesome to look back and laugh at the haters.....
Good year alex cant wait for more .
by ninerpride on Jan 23, 2012 9:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He got us into overtime of the NFC Championship game.
"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh
he also only converted 1 out of 13 first downs...
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and Eli Manning
threw 4 intercept in a game once
Brady did 3 and lost that 2008 superbowl
Scrubs
did you see Eli in his first few years
Smith is still developing
Give him time, he is probably the best QB possible atm
To be fair
He did miss like 1.5 years
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 23, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I don’t even like Smith and I have to agree with you. Either he will continue to improve or one day he will be replaced but he deserves a chance.
by Joe Jon Kerr on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
The Niners have been notoriously bad at converting third downs going back to the Mariucci years.
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Revenge is ice cream.
I hate alex smith for the last few years but
this yr, the problem arent A Smith, it’s the WR.. so i hate crabtree now!
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Crab is a good #2
As long as we have a great number 1 receiver, I think Crab will do well but the guy does not have the ability to carry a team and the wideouts on the other end have been below standard most of the season.
by Joe Jon Kerr on Jan 24, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
zombie montana
we’d have to kill and reanimate him first, but harbaugh would figure it out.
But we need a better qb? you wont acknowlesge that, the who part, is just BS.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
This
I can already see my post above asking politely to not read that garbage on every threaAstor the duration of the offseason was a waste of time. Two days after the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME and they are already at it.
This is the only negative about NN is the constant whining about Alex with no discussion of any alternative.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 24, 2012 7:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
they almost did with him
but that’s not the point. The Niners have to get better at the position, whether it be Smith improving (doubtful) or somebody else.
Just curious....
Harbaugh made Alex into a more efficient QB (90 something QB rating) in his first year with no offseason at all.
Do people honestly think he won’t improve when he can actually practice with the coaches and staff over the summer? Not being a smartass, just really curious as to why people don’t seem like its a possibility he could get a lot better with actual practice time with the staff and team.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 24, 2012 7:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I think he has the chance to get better, and feel we need to work on getting him more weapons to succeed. I am not sure if he is the long term answer but he is for the next 1-2 years. Let CK7 develop and I trust Harbaugh will make the correct decisions regarding his future and the potential need to grab another QB. I wouldn’t be upset if we drafted another QB in a later round if someone is out there that he (Harbaugh) likes and feels he can develop. While I am not a huge fan of drafting WR’s I think a second round guy would help the depth chart so we do not struggle the way we did this year
Ugh... we have so many free agents
This could be a huge roster turnover.
I’m thinking we NEED to sign:
Ted Ginn
Ahmad Brooks
Alex Smith
Carlos Rodgers
Blake Costanzo
Would be nice to sign:
Goldson
Josh Morgan
Reggie Smith
Adam Synder
Let Moran Norris and Chilo go…
Not sure how I feel about anyone else.
move adam in need to be resigned...
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Snyder is a great fit on our team
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it's also important to have consistency in the line
It would be nice to have the line play together for more than a season
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
not to mention he plays the backup position for every inside OL position
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Nicks played with Goodwin...
Umm… plus he is a beast?
I hear you though, I would be happy if we resigned Adam.
Nicks made Goodwin look better than he is.
Goodwin is distinctly average. Would love it if we could draft a young center with some upside.
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ya no doubt about nicks
I’ve said already that I would like to sign him but he might cost too much and resigning our FA’s and a WR are more important at the moment. If we go after a guard it should be as a backup but even then, we drafted Kilgore last year.
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Ginn and Brooks can walk
Ginn will want too much for what he is, a KR/PR. Costanzo can walk too unless he knows he is a career special teamer. Reggie Smith is useless. Morgan will re-sign on a team friendly deal, Snyder has value as he is versatile. Goldson will be re-signed at a reasonable deal… if he wants too much, he’ll walk too.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
I am sorry but we cannot lose Blake Costanzo. Simply can't.
That guy is the clear heart and soul of our special teams.
Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!!
Costanzo knows that he says that
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Yeah, Costanzo is outstanding in special teams, don't get me wrong.
But when FA comes, teams offer silly money – we’ll have to wait and see.
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Constanzo won't get stupid money,he's useless without the guys around him.
I think we need to take care of him though.Spillman and Constanzo are the heart of ST.
Ginn is a yes and so is Brooks ...
… Ginn see last nite’s game
… Brooks had a solid season , besides the depth at the position ….!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Ginn had one TD this season on kick returns or punt returns?
That isn’t great… expecting your KR/PR not to fumble or move away when he has decided not to catch it, isn’t a skill or talent, it is a requirement. Plenty of kick returners can do that…
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It's not all about Td's , having confidence and winning the field position battle is huge and he does that ...!!
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Disagree
Firstly, he had 2 TDs this year.
Secondly, I don’t know the actual numbers, but I would wager that he was in the top 5 for punt and kicker return average. Not just a good returner, he’s an elite returner.
He's not elite
Great game in week 1, solid the rest of the year. He never really got that close to a TD again. He makes moves, gets some yards and goes down.
"gets some yards"
That’s good enough. Remember the return game before Ginn got here? PRs were like 2 yards per.
If he walks, they better have a REALLY good replacement.
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by Blank x2 on Jan 24, 2012 7:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's not just about TD's(he had 2, btw).
He was 4th in kick return average and 3rd in punt return average(2nd in ‘10). He provided us great field position this year. Plus, he’s never fumbled in the 2 years he’s been here.
"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh
Yep, he's an outstanding returner in terms of KR average and PR average.
I’m talking in terms of a former top 10 overall pick, wanting to be a WR too, and asking for WR and KR/PR money. If he’s happy with being just a KR/PR, then great!
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Well , you may think he has no value as a Wr , but he did have a ( Nice ) year ...
… his role on the team will stay the same and that in it self holds value , a 4th or 5th Wr , that at times can take the top off of Defenses , so yes he will be back …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
There is a salary cap.
You can’t pay Ginn to be a receiver and a KR/PR, and then expect to sign a true #1 WR in FA, and then also keep Crabtree and re-sign Morgan. Also, we must consider Delanie is a FA next season, and will want a decent contract too.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Salary Cap , you don't say , how nice that you informed me of that ...
… Ginn already took a cut in pay , so your point is moot at this time …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
A cut from his rookie contract from being a top 10 overall pick when there was no rookie salary cap.
He obviously was a bust as a WR, so had to take pay cut to even remain on a team.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Well Gee Coach , thinkin" Harbaugh and Crew begs to differ ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Lol
At least we can agree Alex Smith should be re-signed for sure Edggy!
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Yay me and you , two pea's ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Different idea
Anyone ever heard of the wait and see plan? We take our time signing him while we explore the other possibilities and get the more important players signed. If someone else has not signed him by then we can take a more informed approach.
by Joe Jon Kerr on Jan 24, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
I have to agree with you on that...
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Brooks had another stupid false start yesterday.
He can walk, because he’s going to want silly money when he isn’t even that good. Don’t think he fits the team anyways, now that Aldon Smith will be the Jack OLB on all downs.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
It isn't that great to have two pass rushers when one of them can't cover.
Brooks would have to play Sam linebacker on all downs and cover TEs a lot. He has improved in coverage, but has he improved enough?
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
What if we trade Haralson and let Brooks walk.
and resign Grant for that role or is he undersized?
by AthleticsReign on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Well, ideally I'd love Manny Lawson back to play Sam, opposite Aldon Smith.
I think Haralson is below average, but is better in coverage than Brooks (albeit the worse player overall). Larry Grant would be undersized, but I was impressed with his coverage ability in the three games I watched, and obviously he’s extremely efficient in the run game. I don’t think he would be an ideal fit however.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Grant is a Inside backer while Brooks Smith and Haralson are Outside backers ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Yeah, he means moving Grant to Sam OLB.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
this.
Even though Aldon ate into Haralson’s playing time this year, long term he’s the biggest threat to Ahmad Brooks. The 49ers got killed on Brooks’ side on short passes (26th in the league according to Football Outsiders). That’s a direct indictment of Brooks’ play in coverage, and i think evidence that the long term plan is to replace Brooks with Aldon at elephant linebacker. Smith is already a better pass rusher, and he can’t be worse than Brooks in coverage.
Haralson is here for a few more years, so I think the plan would be to have Haralson and Smith play on base downs, with Brooks or a new pickup replacing Haralson on passing downs. Hopefully that works until the 49ers can develop an every down Sam OLB.
Yeah sorry neutral zone infraction sorry...
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Yuo don't know that , if Rodgers is willind to take a TEAM discount others will as well ...!!
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That is good news about Rogers...
Here is my free agent wish list:
Dewayne Bowe*
Carl Nicks* (if not, re-sign Snyder)
Anthony Spencer* (in place of Brooks, if not re-sign Brooks)
Jermichael Finley (longshot, but imagine the possibilities)
Vincent Jackson (if we can’t get Bowe)
I would like to get at least one of these guys. Two would be awesome, especially the guys with the * next their names
Besides Rogers, I would also like to see us re-sign as many of these players as possible:
Alex Smith
Dashon Goldson
Blake Costanzo
C.J. Spillman
Ted Ginn
Joshua Morgan
Tramaine Brock
Adam Snyder (maybe; even if we do sign Nicks)
We also need to extend Bowman ASAP.
Draft- WR, RB, CB, S (if we don’t re-sign goldson), OLB, TE, DL, OL in that order
I am less concerned about our DL than others. Justin Smith isn’t getting any younger, I understand. Ray Mac is still pretty young though and RJF has played well in relief and is still young, we have up-and-comers with Dobbs and I. Williams as well as Tukuafu if we choose to re-sign him. Sure, those players may not pan out but there is no guarantee that a drafted player will work out either. We have more pressing needs IMO.
Hey, remember that one time when we were arguing and I was wrong? Yeah, me either.
by SanFranSoldier on Jan 23, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Desean jackson for the 49ers anyone ?
by ninerpride on Jan 23, 2012 9:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
do we really need
another feather light WR? We need to go for a big physical guy
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agreed
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He's a luxury...
We probably cannot afford. He’s going to get starters money to start on another team.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 23, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
He's one year removed from being released by the Rams
Who quite possibly have the worst linebackers in the league. I doubt he’ll get starter’s money based on three games, where he was next to the best inside linebacker in the league last season.
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i think what you meant was.....
where he was next to FILLED IN FOR the best inside linebacker in the league last season.
No, NaVorro Bowman was the best inside linebacker in the league last season.
Was better than Patrick Willis, who was probably second.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Bowman was a beast this year for sure
But he still isn’t/wasn’t better than Willis.
More tackles does not a better ILB make.
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by Blank x2 on Jan 24, 2012 7:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He was outstanding touchline to touchline.
Not just tackling. He was better full stop in my opinion.
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he won't get that money
he is a backup and once again our front seven made another LB look better than he actually is…
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once again?
who was the last guy? the 49ers LBs have been pretty good the last couple years. Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, and Takeo Spikes were not good at rushing the passer, but all of them were solid run defenders who could cover pretty well. No duds in that group.
IMHO, Grant is a special talent. That dude is going to be a long-term starter on another team once free agency opens up.
by ninerspride on Jan 23, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
because the rams are a terrible organization
IIRC, they had him playing outside linebacker. the 49ers were the first team to move him inside.
re: E train list
I take Smith, Brooks, Ginn, and Costanzo off any NEED list.
Add Goldson, Morgan, Snyder to NEED list.
Anyone not on ‘NEED’ will be ‘nice’ only if position can’t be improved through draft/FA.
E train… what’s your rationale???
by TheCatch81 on Jan 23, 2012 5:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think Costanzo is a big part of the reason why our coverage team has been so good.
We could write 1000 comments on Smith (I won’t), but I would like him back for 2-3 years to see if he can keep this thing going.. anything more than that at big money and I would be very hesitant.
Brooks had a very productive year, and was a big part of the defense. 7 sacks. Who is going to replace him? Are they going to put Aldon Smith at that spot? Is Smith a DE or a LB? I like the front 7 the way they are, and I don’t want to disrupt that.
Ginn is one of the best return men in the game, and I’ve always felt his contributions were way undervalued.
i saw pay off Norris since it was Gore that got him back here
dont want Frank be pissed about that LOL
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
might as well hire norris as a coach
can’t miss a block if he’s wearing a headset.
Or as an inside linebacker coach
Can teach Willis and Bowman how to avoid blockers.
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by teekay on Jan 23, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see why you would let any of these guys get away with the exception of Chilo, Norris, and Reggie smith. I also don’t understand why people aren’t that hot on bringing back Goldson? He’s a tremendous hitter, has a nose for the ball(int & ff), and is continuing to improve. Seems like a no brainer when you also factor for improved cohesion by keeping the group together.
by Ritzy9er on Jan 23, 2012 7:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
since Carlos is older, can we frontload a deal? Is the only reason teams don’t do this is because of the salary cap? I don’t want another Clements situation on our hands
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 23, 2012 4:56 PM PST reply actions
I think we can do that
we have a lot of cap room space so why waste things that we have.
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I want Carlos back
Should be the first person resigned.
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Hopefully the Yorks aren't going cheap
I want to see smart moves mixed with a big splash.
Can we cut with this 'Yorks being cheap' BS
They aren’t cheap. They spend 109 million when the salary cap was 120 million last season. Re-signed franchise players Patrick Willis and Vernon Davis far earlier than the FO had to. There’s a difference between being clever and cheap. We are lucky that we are such a well run franchise that we are looking extremely strong in terms of staying under the salary cap and retaining our talent for the foreseeable future.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
That was more of a backhanded comment.
I just don’t want to see regression. I want them to go full steam ahead with their personel decisions and continue to build on this foundation without sacraficing for the future like in the past.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 23, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'll post this again for anyone who wants to know our team salary numbers, approximately.
This season’s salary cap was 120.375 million. 103 million was spent on the roster and just under 6 million was spent on dead money, so our total team salary figure was roughly 109 million. The Salary cap ceiling will increase next season to probably about 125 million. Going into next season, we currently have about 77.8 million committed to 39 players. Our dead money figure drops to about 1 million from 6 million, which is great. That leaves about 46.2 million in cap room for next season. Leave about 5-6 million for rookies, leaving about 40.2 million in cap room. Will save an extra 3.2 million by cutting Shawntae Spencer (only 100k salary cap hit), which leaves about 43.4 million in cap room.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Shawntae Spencer
oh jesus, i forgot he was still on the team, holy crap
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 23, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
The salary cap and all the figures behind the running of each FO (especially ours), I find really interesting...
So couldn’t forget Shawntae and his 3.2 million! We should be able to keep Rogers quite comfortably considering Shawntae will probably be cut.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
I think the 49ers did too...
Some kind of glitch with the payroll department… We’re going to have to move Shawntae to storage room B.
i dont understand… did he even ever travel with the team? he was never on the inactive report or anything
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 23, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Got injured early, then lost his place to Brown, and then Culliver, and then Brock.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Well damn. Hopefully someone makes a front page salary cap article in the next few days or so
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 23, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don't mind, but Fooch probably has it covered
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
yeah thanks for posting all the info, im sure it can be made a little more professional though
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 23, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, rushed it a little. Was trying to get the main stuff down.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
That's his way of saying thanks ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Spencer? i thought they traded him to the raiders for #1 draft pick 2014
LOL
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Jan 23, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
That's crazy talk.
We all know the Raiders don’t have a first rounder for the next decade.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 24, 2012 7:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
YOU play the G.M. of the NFC WEST Champion 49ers....
and lets say you could sign, trade & cut who ever you freak’en want without no cap consideration…just simply sign-trade-cut players…
So with the above open policy going into the 2012 season spell out your moves…lets see them !
In terms of priority:
Re-sign Alex and Rogers. Alex – 3 year deal at 7-8.5 million a season, Rogers – 3 years at 6-7 million a season
Re-sign Dashon, but not on a huge deal – 4 years at 5.5 million a season.
Re-sign Morgan and Snyder on team friendly deals.
Re-sign Costanzo on a team friendly deal once again.
Let Brooks and Ginn walk.
Possibly re-sign Larry Grant if the contract isn’t too prohibitive.
Release Shawntae Spencer, 3.2 million to spend on re-signing Rogers.
Let Reggie Smith and Chilo walk.
Sign a #1 WR – possibly Bowe or Colston
Top 3 needs – Interior offensive lineman, 3-4 OLB, and 3-4 DE depth. Later in the draft, take a corner/safety (earlier if Dashon doesn’t re-sign), a RB (Dixon won’t make the roster next season I don’t think), and another WR.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
They'll franchise someone...
…almost assuredly Goldson. That boy played well in the post season. They’d have to be crazy to let him walk. Thing about the franchise though is the guy gets a bit screwed. Wonder if it will make him ‘disgruntled’.
I’m good with Alex and Rogers and the numbers there. Good with Morgan, Snyder and Costanzo, though I value Morgan less than most and he will be coming off serious injury.
I don’t though think we should let Ginn walk if we’re serious about next year. Opens a hole in the return area, and we know just how badly that can go. Also, he’s a good 4th receiver- always good to have a burner for what it can do to the coverage- assuming we can get the top of that lineup right. If we can’t he’s a lot better than Swain!!
Disagree about Brooks unless we find someone very credible in free agency. People forget this was his first year as an every down OLB. There’s a lot of scope for improvement. Furthermore, we’re not taking OLB high this year and have nothing like a prospect at the position on the roster. Brooks played decently this year with some clearly great moments and some bonehead ones, but he also played a lot on a defense that was solid. He was an every down guy on a successful unit. That’s big.
Reggie Smith will be cheap precisely because he isn’t and may never be starting caliber. But we need the depth at that position, in the same way we need Brooks for depth (in addition to his being better than Haralson, who’s just weak). Injuries happen. Speaking of which, he’s also a back-up punt returner. Ehem. We do have a bunch of safeties on the roster, but they’re all special teams people, and I can’t imagine Spillman playing center field on a defence.
Like the idea of Grant. We have leverage with the exclusive rights thing. They should be able to work something out. Chilo’s toast- Kilgore will take over back-up guard.
Needs in Free Agency not addressed above, in order of priority:
WR, preferably Vincent Jackson, or Stevie Johnson, but someone
And then my wish list of major additions would include Jason Jones, Carl Nicks and John Carlson/Fred Davis. And would it be too much to ask to see Aldon Smith and Mario Williams rush the quarterback from opposite sides? Holy schnikes.
Assuming we didn’t get any from the wish list, Draft needs in order would be:
DL/CB
CB/DL
WR
C
OLB
RB
WR
Does any one know Tarrel Brown's status?
Is he okay? I gotta say he has played above what I expected out of him and without him being knocked out I don’t know if the Giants score that touchdown.
He says he's fine.
He doesn’t have a concussion, which is shocking since he was unconscious for a couple seconds.
"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh
i did the similar thing playing backyard football
except without pads lol…the guy i ran into was on my own team, and my face lined up with his shoulders, i turned out ok, the jaw was hurting for a little though lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 23, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
When I was 9
I did a similar thing playing backyard football on Christmas — with a telephone pole. Entire right side of my face was split open from just below the eye to my jaw. Was lucky not to lose any teeth. Wish I could say I caught the ball, but no chance.
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I'd like us to resign:
Carlos Rogers
Dashon Goldson
Alex Smith
Ted Ginn
Joshua Morgan
Tavares Gooden
Blake Costanzo
Larry Grant
CJ Spillman
Tramaine Brock
Adam Snyder
"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh
And Ahmad Brooks.
I thought I had his name in there.
"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh
good list
Morgan is injury prone so I expect niners to take 2 WR draft day or FA, we saw with #10 how important Ginn is to team, and I can only speculate how much Alex S will improve with Har mentoring next season, Larry Grant is a good Backup/Starter
hell sign them all up!
I’ll take$20 an hour to be the niners waterboy!
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Jan 23, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Morgan's not injury prone.
He had the broken ankle this year and his recovery is “ahead of schedule”. The only other injury he’s had was when he became really sick his rookie year.
"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh
rookie year
Had a groin or hamstring issue in the middle of that year as well.
by David Fucillo on Jan 23, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Oh ya.
Still, really only 3 injuries in 4 years doesn’t make him injury prone.
"It might be time to give Alex some credit, huh?" - Harbaugh
I think we are forgetting that Aldon Smith will be starting all downs next season.
Does Brooks even fit the team?
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
if Aldon starts all downs then probably not
which i think he will
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Jan 23, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i think he's gone.
Haralson actually played really well this year. He could be an every down OLB next year, or they could pair him up with another situational pass rusher like they did this year.
Smith is too good of a pass rusher to put on the bench
Brooks very rarely drops into coverage as it is. When he does, he’s terrible. So basically, Aldon is already a better pass rusher than Brooks, and he’s probably a better coverage player too.
So why didn’t Aldon start this year? My guess is that the coaching staff was worried that it was too much to ask for him to learn his run assignments, his zone coverage responsibilities, and his pass rush duties in one year. Give Aldon an offseason and he’ll be an every down starter.
just turned 23 in September too
I think they worried about putting too much on his plate as a very young rookie. The transition from collegiate DE to professional OLB is notoriously difficult. Gave Von Miller fits. He’ll get there.
Brooks>>>>Haralson
Firstly, we need the depth. Secondly, Brooks is a much better linebacker than Haralson, who’s pretty inept out there so far as I can tell. People forget, this was Brooks first year as an every down OLB. He can be made to play the position better, even as he had a decent year playing nearly every down as part of an excellent defensive side.
I don’t see not resigning him unless another FO is driving up the price.
Prolly going to do it tomorrow to get our minds off of things ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
LOL good TY
i’m already excited for next season!
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Jan 23, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
why's everyone down on Ginn?
great return specialist. definitely not a 1 or 2 receiver, but he’s a key part of our elite special teams.
oh Wow I rather see Ginn PR/KR than #10
- tries to do things beyond his skills and we paid the price 2x
by Aazoba Yuzuki on Jan 23, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
Ginn also opens up the field for the other WR's and the TE's with his speed
so even if he isn’t having 100 yard receiving games every week, he can still help out the offense
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 23, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Another Niner pro-bowler!
San Francisco 49ers @49ers
The Packers coaching staff has selected Brian Jennings as this year’s need player for the NFC #ProBowl team.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Niners officially have the most pro-bowlers
…counting all three of the team’s specialists, but it still counts.
Can 9ers re-negotiate Crabtree contract downward?
Three seasons now, (yes 3 unspectacular seasons) and Michael has clearly only proven to be nothing more than a good to pretty good possession WR….who has hot & cold hands (yes, he drops balls in case you have not noticed).
Most disappointing this season was Michael being only a very small factor in Saints Game and a big ZERO in the Giants game.
If Michael were in this years draft he certainly would not be drafted in the first round, period.
I like Michael….I just do not like his underproducing seasons. Remember his was SUPPOSED to be the BEST WR coming out of college when he was drafted, a game changer.
He was on a tear before the playoffs
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that like saying we should cut Kyle Williams...
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not really a tear
but continual improvement in every aspect of his game. No idea what happened during the wild card bye week.
How about we stop blaming Crabtree. He plays with an inconsistent QB in an impeded offensive game plan.
Smith needs to go. Or at least find a better option. Harbaugh has low risk qbs at every coaching stop. Is be confident with an accurate rookie.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
a rookie?
I have faith in Harbaugh with a lot of players, but not to throw a rookie out there. This is a desperate attempt on the grass is greener on the other side. Smith comes back, Harbaugh continues to groom projects. Maybe that rookie you want to start will get a chance to learn the game first
Uhhhh, based on what i seen from Smith, some rookies could make the plays he did.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
and most cannot
relying on a rookie to perform decent is as random as it gets. With Smith’s improved play you must be certain you can improve at the position. I do think we will see a quarterback battle next season for the starting position. I am not against getting a new guy, just not for the sake of change.
Its not for the sake of change, other than the change of an inconsistent offense.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
realistically, this team is not going to draft a QB
after drafting one last year who has not even seen the field yet. Same thing goes for this team going after a bank-breaking QB (Brees, Peyton, Flynn, etc).
The only way the 49ers get a new QB is by picking one up on the cheap through free agency. So anyone who wants Alex gone has to make the case for Josh Johnson, Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, or Chad Henne. I look forward to reading it.
Dont want them to draft 1, I just think a rookie could have a Smith type year under Harbaugh.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
is your point that Harbaugh could have success with anyone under center?
If so, then I agree. Give Harbaugh any raw QB with some basic tools and he seems like he could deliver a solid offense — that’s basically what he did with Alex Smith. I just think Alex Smith in year 2 of a Harbaugh team would be better than any second tier rookie or reasonably priced free agent QB.
His mechanical flaw has been there too long. Its the basis of his inconsistencies.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I agree
an accurate, polished one like Dalton was this past year, or what I think will be Kellen Moore this next year.
"blaming Crabtree"?
not blaming, simply commenting on what is pretty clear.
let me ask you a question put Crabtree on Giants or Packers team….are you saying Crabtree would all of a sudden be that teams #1 or even #2 WR . Before you answer, think of the WR’s on those teams……and remember Crabtree was touted as the BEST WR coming out of the 2009 Draft, a game changer, a play maker.
Game Changers, Play Makers take their Q.B. to another level.
Hey I never wanted the pick wasted, but how can you know his full potential, when the whole league knows your qb is inconsistent.
Smith puts as much strain on the ol, wrs, and rbs, due to his inconsistencies.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
...
and remember Crabtree was touted as the BEST WR coming out of the 2009 Draft, a game changer, a play maker.
I wanted us to get Nicks in 09, I watched him at UNC and thought he was the best WR that year. I wasn’t upset with the Crabtree pick but I’d still rather have Nicks
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he was SUPPOSED to be the SECOND best WR
draft position means squat. Especially a few years after the fact
Seriously.
Hell, Ginn was drafted higher than Crabtree was.
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You can't claim that without identifying who other than Crabtree was the acknowledged BEST WR
scouts said in the 2009 draft.
Scouts said Jimmy Clausen is a franchise quarterback
Heyward-Bey was supposed to be the best, he was clearly not.
You are severly mistaken....Scouts,G.M's,Coaches all clearly acknowledged Crabtree
as the BEST WR in the 2009 draft, ahead of Bey.
Only the Raiders disagreed with this. Thus they drafted Heyward-Bey over Crabtree while everyone laughed.
Crabtree was SUPPOSED to be the STEAL of the Draft because 9ers had the opportunity to draft him because the Raiders took Bey.
Come on EVERYONE know this !
I know what they thought
but in the case of Jimmy Clausen, they thought he would be a top ten pick. Scouts can go crazy about anybody and be totally wrong. Such as the case with Crabtree, he fell and two other teams passed him that could have used him. I remember.
He fell because he was hurt.
He was projected top 5. Heyward Bey was projected in the late 20s. Raiders took him WAY before his projection.
I remember.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, you can't blame the front office
Everybody was high on him — people were saying that Crabtree was the best player in that draft regardless of position. Now about that Anthony Davis pick…
Anthony Davis will be a STUD right tackle entering this his 3rd season.
The young kid is making big improvement steps season by season. Dont tell me you can’t see that.
since he was basically a blocking sled in his first season
I would have be surprised if he didn’t improve this year. I agree that he’s on the right track, but even if he becomes a lockdown RT in year 3, he was still picked too high. The 49ers could have had Earl Thomas at that spot. There’s no way a lockdown RT is worth more than a playmaking safety.
To the people saying Ginn may be too expensive, I HIGHLY doubt he expects to be paid like a #1 receiver. He’s definitely worth top returner money unless we can get better value with a WR/CB and KR/PR combo player.
Also, as part of the renegotiation, the final year of Ginn’s contract ($1.8 million) has been deleted, making him an unrestricted free agent in 2012. (That season could have also voided on minimum playing-time but hadn’t yet done so)
I don’t know how much he would want. Maybe between 1-2 million a year? Or am I way too low
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 23, 2012 7:12 PM PST reply actions
I think he'll be looking for 3 million a year, considering Akers is going to make 3.5 million nex season.
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Rogers has always been
a top notch talent. My hunch is that he was inconsistent and had poor hands that didn’t warrant his previous salaries as to the reasons why he has been let go by two teams. This was a contract year for him, so we might have seen the best of Rogers already, but it is clear both sides are sincere in their efforts to rejoin next year.
"walk year"
2010 was a contract year as well so I’m not sure we can say with any certainty that this was the best we’ll see form him.
by David Fucillo on Jan 23, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Rogers only played for the Redskins
and yeah, he was a top 10 overall pick. Redskins committed to Deangelo Hall, so didn’t re-sign Rogers.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
related
how terrible are the redskins at identifying and developing talent? They chased a pro-bowl caliber CB off their team because he didn’t come down with interceptions. That’s like cutting a pitcher because his batting average is terrible.
They were comparing him to Hall
Who was pulling in interceptions like crazy.
The problem was they didn’t understand why. Teams were going after Hall because he was gambling like crazy. Yes he might pick you. But you’ll usually burn him more than he burns you.
So on the last year Rogers was with the Skins, opponents threw at Hall over 100 times. They threw at Rogers only like 45 times or something like that — which was just a couple more times than teams targeted Revis.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Damn....a day after and it still hurts.
My thoughts is our D is elite. But add another corner with Carlos and Dashon at FS and we will be legendary.
Amazing How Healthy we stayed playing that physical a brand of defense
My fear for next year is considering how healthy our team was this year, next year might be brutal.
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