The DeSimone Files: 49ers 2012 Offseason
Welcome back Niners Nation. My way of getting over the NFC Championship game is to begin my rigorous study of the offseason opportunities the 49ers have in front of them. Obviously, my favorite part and most everyone's are the personnel decisions. And that means, it's time for Trent Baalke to do what he apparently does best: find draft studs and create a high level of competition at every position. Everything here on this page is simply ideas to kick around and things that have been floating around the league.
49ers Needs
WR
CB
OL
OLB
The 49ers needs could be boiled down to a few key positions; wide receiver and cornerback being the most pressing needs. Some certain free agency losses may also change the landscape of what positions need to be addressed - two that come to mind are Ahmad Brooks and Dashon Goldson which would call for an immediate need at either FS or OLB. I believe Carlos Rogers will be retained, as he's already gone public with his desire to remain a Niner; either Goldson or Brooks will get the franchise tag.
49ers Notable Free Agents
Alex Smith - (Re-sign)
Moran Norris - (Release)
Ted Ginn Jr. - (R-sign: kick return specialist contract; incentives)
Joshua Morgan - (R-sign: #3 WR)
Ahmad Brooks - (Re-sign: discount or release)
Carlos Rogers - (Re-sign: 3-4 year contract)
Dashon Goldson - (Franchise Tag)
Chilo Rachal - (Release)
Larry Grant - (Re-sign: discount or release)
The information to the right of the player is simply a logical and likely organizational move. By no means is anything written in stone yet.
49er-Need-Related NFL Free Agents
Vincent Jackson, WR, SD
Peyton Hillis, RB, CLE
Dwayne Bowe, WR, KC
Ben Grubbs, G, BAL
DeSean Jackson, WR, PHI
Steve Johnson, WR, BUF
Mike Tolbert, RB, SD
Jackson, Bowe, Jackson and Johnson: The NFC Championship was the exclamation point to the 49ers front office that they are in dire need of a dynamic threat at the wide receiver position. These four guys are big-play receivers in their 20's looking for a home. Alex Smith has a home, but no receiver - there is a match to be made here, but careful thought must be put into this decision. That is even if the 49ers wish to pursue their wide receiver in the free agent market.
Hillis and Tolbert: I know. Most of us are under the impression that the ground game is set with Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter and Anthony Dixon but I'd like to introduce another line of thought. This is my Moneyball line of reasoning, and that is that the 49ers need to buy red zone scores. The red zone offense was a mess for most of the season, and third down was no treat either. Hillis or Tolbert would bring in some horsepower at the runningback position. Once either of these two gets a head of steam going, they're awfully hard to take down. Not to mention, the physicality that they model their game after fits the 49er mold. And Hillis could be a free-agent steal because of his disastrous, story-filled 2nd year in Cleveland. Of course, for one of these guys to come in, Hunter would have to take a backseat and Dixon would likely be released.
Possible Late First Round Gems
Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina (6'4, 229) 4.56
Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers (6'2, 215) 4.57
Michael Floyd, Notre Dame (6'3, 224) 4.54
The three guys listed above are about all I want from the late first round. You'll notice all of these receivers are 6'2+ downfield threats that despite being game-planned against, put up monster numbers for their respective programs. It's no mystery that Jefferey's speed has been challenged and his draft stock could fall; more talented players have fallen for stranger reasons. If Jefferey is available then, expect San Francisco to take him with time left on their draft clock. Sanu and Floyd could also go in the teens of the first round, but might fall due to team needs. Either Sanu or Floyd would be a great upgrade for the Niners future at the wide receiver position.
High Risk-High Reward Acquisitions
DeSean Jackson: This could be an interesting move by the 49ers, who appear to have the coaching staff in place to get the most out of the rebel wide out. Jackson voiced his displeasure with the Philadelphia organization on and off the field, as it pertained to his contract. San Francisco might be able to get him at a discount price, as I'm sure the Cal-product wouldn't mind returning to a warmer climate. With this move, the 49ers would get that downfield explosive threat they're now on the lookout for.
Peyton Manning: There's been a lot of Peyton Manning talk. And as the weeks go on, it's progressed from ‘how are him and Andrew Luck going to co-exist' to examining what teams Manning is going to. I'll admit, it does seem like the Colts are planning for the future. I'm not even sure if Reggie Wayne or Robert Mathis will be re-signed. But if Manning is to become that coveted free agent, he will have his pick of the litter as far as NFL teams go. From there on it's simple: paring Peyton Manning with the 49er defense means multiple championships - dynasty championships. It would be like Jordan with Bulls, Gretzky with the Oilers or the Miami Hurricanes from '83 to 2001. It may be short-lived, but the Niners could feasibly collect one or two more Lombardi trophies with this move.
Justin Blackmon: The 49ers don't have a Roddy White, so it wouldn't be as ballsy as the Falcons trading up for Julio Jones - if anything, it's a more explainable move. The 49ers jumping up in the first to get the only other two-time Biletnikoff Award Winner beside their own Michael Crabtree would be a huge deal. Crabtree and Blackmon were once the two undisputed receiving kings of NCAA football. The opportunity for them to be on the same team and how they would complement each other so well could be what gets the 49er offense over that hump. However, it would take quite a bit of effort by the 49ers front office to get such a move done, and it's farfetched as far as the Niners go.
Under the Radar Acquisitions
Harry Douglas, WR, ATL
Jerome Simpson, WR, CIN
Jake Scott, G, TEN
Eric Wright, CB, DET
Laurent Robinson, WR, DAL
Pierre Garcon, WR, IND
The 49ers could bring any mix of these players to upgrade the competition at the according positions. Shawntae Spencer is a player that might have just fallen away from the new order in San Francisco; it's like the bus left and Spencer wasn't on it. I could see him getting cut loose this offseason. But with the 49ers already thin at corner, they could look to add in free agency and the draft. I think Eric Wright from Detroit could be a good fit. The 49ers jump at the opportunity to play nickel with the rise of Aldon Smith, but now that means they need to be deeper on the backend. I also like that the Niners already had an awesome corner named Eric Wright, and it was also the birth name of Cali's own and N.W.A.'s thrilling front man, Eazy-E.
Douglas, Simpson and Garcon, I feel could be instant inserts into the Niners offense. They display good hands and all have big play ability. Laurent Robinson is an interesting character because of a couple monster games he put on with Dallas this season. I believe he'll see offers, but if he chooses the wrong team, he could disappear again. Robinson should either stay with Dallas or go to an offensively-sound football team that understands catering to a player's abilities to get their optimum performance.
And Jake Scott is a veteran guard with toughness. If the 49ers do not re-sign Adam Snyder with a permanent role at right guard, they should look to add Scott or even Ben Grubbs of the Baltimore Ravens.
Whatever happens, I'm excited for Trent Baalke to get back to work.
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Another link re: who's signed for how long.
After Alex Boone signed his extension back in early December, Maiocco wrote a post summarizing how long the 49ers’ current contracts run. Thought it would be relevant in this discussion.
So far, 2011 has been Harbaugh-some!
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I'm surprised you didn't mention Carl Nicks (G-NO)
Bay Area boy, only 26 & already is an All Pro/Pro Bowl Guard. Would be reteam with his buddy Jonathan Goodwin. And with the high priced Free Agents that the Saints have (Brees & Colston) he might walk because they wont have the money to resign him
No I fully agree that Snyder will be back
But as much as I love the stability that Adam brought to the Oline Nicks is a definite upgrade and it should be a viable option. Of course they could resign Snyder with the thought that they are grooming Kilgore (Who I absolutely love) as the future starter
This
Never pay tackle money to a guard.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Vikes did pretty well with Hutchinson for a few years
depends on circumstances. Nicks would make an extaordinarily powerful right side for Frank and Kendall to run behind.
The problem is that
The difference between Hutchinson and a guy half his price isn’t as big as the price difference.
When you are dealing with the cap you can afford to be inefficient with your spending in some places, but guard isn’t one of them.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
If you say so
As I said, it worked for the Vikings pretty well. They would’ve gone to the Superbowl against the Colts but for Childress being a ninny. It worked for Dallas pretty well too back in the day.
I simply don’t think that rules of thumb like ‘never pay for a guard’ work. Dominant players are leaders, and teams need them. Good teams have chemistry, and sometimes that’s a matter of a critical mass somewhere. That includes potentially on the offensive line, as in having a tandem on one side that blows people off the ball (Davis and Nicks would be pretty formidable to run behind! You need that 3rd and goal? Follow me through this defense).
Would the Greatest Show on Turf have been as great an offense with only one dominant WR and another few good ones? Who knows. To me that’s the question though when it comes to building a team. No formulas can be a substitute for a clear eyed examination of all the evidence. Ultimately, the wisdom of resource allocation depends on the locus of circumstances.
True and the truth is that I dont think the team will be involved in any of the big name FA
I think they resign most of their guys outside of a few guys (Norris, Rachal) but if I had to say one guy they could be really interested in it would be Nicks.
What kind of contract would you give him & how that impacts Joshua Morgan's status with the team
Plus what it does to Kyle Williams role in the offense
Well it was reported Morgan would test the FA waters to see his value...and honestly Bowe >>> Morgan
KW’s role remains unchanged, he’s a #3/4 WR. Not sure on the $/yr Bowe would get…that will all be determined when FA signings start.
Who reported that Morgan was testing the FA waters?
I have heard that Harbaugh has explicitly stated that he wants Morgan back.
So far, 2011 has been Harbaugh-some!
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prefer VJax to Bowe
but agreed on the calculus, especially since we’re picking 30 and have other needs best addressed in the draft.
I would bet they sign a FA WR. I don’t see the Edwards miss as changing their philosophy on receivers just yet.
Getting a guy of Bowe's caliber should be the primary discussion versus what it does to Kyle Williams...
Williams is a decent WR but in no way should that block you from getting Bowe.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
totally agree
Good receivers will earn their playing time in any lineup. If williams can’t get snaps because he’s not one of the 49ers top 3 receivers next year, he doesn’t deserve to be on the field.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Good Riddance to...
Chila Rachal. Thanks for nothing. We should have drafted DeSean Jackson instead.
Moving on, I really like Dwayne Bowe for this team.
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Love Bowe for this team...
Kentwan and Chilo over DJax…wow.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Kendall Hunter needs to be number two running back.
There is absolutely no question about that. He is going to be something truly special and will more than fill Frank Gore’s spot as the number one running back when Gore leaves or retires. Hunter = franchise back once Gore is out.
Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!!
i believe...
..Hunter will be our number 1. Gore is a beast but our Oline is too weak. Hunter can scramble.
by SFOpsidian49 on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
so true
i’m happy for alex’s season…and i think he can take another step in the right direction. but the analysts were right all along….the niners will not win a super bowl with a QB that is so hell bent on protecting the ball that he won’t make the throws an NFC champion QB needs to make.
by t p on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So is this Smith’s fault because he lacks the tools to make the throws, or is it the mantra of the offense that has been beaten into him since day 1 to protect the football, and only make throws that you’re 90% sure of?
by Mapletreemarty on Jan 24, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
It's both
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I agree- it's both
it really seems like Alex is slow to build chemistry, and will only force throws to guys he has a good rapport with. Josh Morgan and VD were the guys that got the ball on a regular basis in 3rd down situations.
He’s done a great job of protecting the ball….and I’d say that’s his biggest asset. But, in a game of the magnitude that he’s bound to be in again and again (like, all the way across the reg season next year)- he needs to start making things happen.
ok, then if we re-up w/Morgan
wouldn’t that solve a few problems? I’m not saying we shouldn’t go out and sign a FA WR, but if Alex has a rapport w/Joshua; cause it’s pretty evident he doesn’t have 1 w/Crabs
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 12:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Morgan should only be signed on a team friendly deal.
He’s coming off a bad injury, and isn’t a true #1.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
And we can do it too
We just have to take care of it early and not leave it until the last minute.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
a bone break isnt that bad compared to an acl tear or ligaent damage.
if were able to resign morgan and sign one of vincent jackson, dwayne bowe and marques colston then we would have a very solid line up of WR’s
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by mtl9ers14 on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
or Stevie Johnson
That guy can take over games.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
A note to Greg Cosell and the other guys at NFL films
Maybe if you released All 22 footage to the public we wouldn’t have to guess whether it was the receivers or Smith? Weak move lording it over our heads like that.
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/24/cosell-talks-for-alex-smith-what-a-difference-a-week-made/
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
by rlott#42 on Jan 24, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cosell's analysis is bogus
he has an axe to grind against Alex. His nonsense was shown up by Alex’s performance against the Saints. So he comes back to remind us that Alex had one bad overthrow?! How many times have Williams practiced that throw and catch with Alex? I was at the game. Receivers were not getting open.
by Mood_Indigo on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Kinda funny really
Because Eli had some pretty laughable throws. Oh well, to the victor goes the spoils.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 24, 2012 12:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Riiiight
He only has over 20 years as an NFL films analyst.
He doesn’t know jack…
"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
Do you guys just accept everything that is written as gospel? Have our higher learning institutions failed to instill critical thinking or reading skills, pity! Anyone who has followed Cosell this season can see clearly that he does not operate with any impartiality when it comes to Alex Smith. Journalists or analysts are not impervious to arrogance and bias.
Cosell cited three examples of mistakes Alex made. For some of you, that might be enough to convince you that our offensive problems lie solely with Alex, but that’s not sufficient enough for me – especially when it’s coming from a guy who has a clear agenda. Our wr corp is our weakest unit by far. Others who were at the game have commented that our wideouts weren’t consistently getting open all game.
by memorytapes on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
C'mon
You loose all credibility when you say things like this:
Our wr corp is our weakest unit by far.
I just spent an entire season listening to the whining and crying about our incredibly inept O-line.
And what’s with the anecdotal evidence?
Others who were at the game…And you think these are experts?
Almost every news outlet that wrote a story about the game mentions how tentative Alex was all game. He just couldn’t get things started. I watched the game and that’s what I saw. He had receivers open but didn’t or wouldn’t take the chance.
And quit with the mellow-dramatics. Nobody is saying the “offensive problems lie solely with Alex”. All I’ve heard since the end of the game is how it was the receiver’s fault for not getting open. Imagine that! The entire receiving corps couldn’t get open all game long.
Well, that’s not sufficient enough for me.
"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
I think you missed the point of my post. In fact, I’m sure you only read the last two sentences. I was not defending Alex Smith. I was pointing out the fact that Cosell is not infallible; he conveniently fails to paint the entire picture because, as I mentioned countless times, he has an agenda. The truth lies somewhere in between. Alex didn’t play a great game by any stretch and certainly our wideouts could have played much better. When I mentioned “others at the game,” the point I was making is that not everyone agrees to what Cosell saw. Perhaps my claim that the WR corp is our weakest unit was a bit of an overstatement, but I still feel strongly that some changes have to be made there.
by memorytapes on Jan 25, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
No I didn't miss it. I read your entire post
But anyone can easily be dismissed by calling them names. In this case, you called Cosell bias without any kind of proof to back it up.
The weakest arguments are ad hominem.
"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
I find that pretty pathetic too
It took all season to get around to whining about the WR corps, but we’ve already heard that the oline sucks, the RBs can’t get it done, the TE drops passes— all from the Alex Smith diehards. Anything to avoid the truth.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 25, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hillis or Tolbert would be interesting as third and short specialist… in kind of the role Dixon had in the playoffs… We could go thunder and lightning on first and second w/ Gore/Hunter, and if it’s 3rd-2 or less, pound with the overload set w/ Tolbert/HIllis. I’d be good for Gore’s legs/body and maybe add a season to the end of his career.
That being said, I’m not sure Hillis/Tolbert would be ok w/ becoming a specialist that might get the ball maybe only 2-5 times a game since Hillis was All-Pro in 2010 and Tolbert would go from second-string to specialist. Hillis might be too expensive especially if we go after Bowe (who I’d love as a big/physical target with great hands)
Yeah, I’m thinking, that we probably need to revisit these scenarios after February (?, not sure the exact date, but the end of exclusive negotiations) when we have a much better idea who returns, who is leaving, and the exact amount of cap space. If we can get a big bruiser in the 4th/5th, with similar builds then I’m all for it. We’d probably save a few million to spend on upgrading WRs or any posiiton where we stand to lose a couple players on this year’s roster.
that's a fair point
Bruisers are so undervalued right now, that the 49ers could draft a good one in the 4th or 5th round. I just really like Hillis and Bush, both of whom i think are special talents as FB/RB hybrids. For the right price, I hope the FO pulls the trigger.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
That's why I've got my hopes on Hillis
He’s a player who has shown potential but hasn’t lived up to it on his current team. That basically describes every free agent this FO has picked up.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
He's basically destroyed his value with his antics this year
That’s why I think he’d come cheap. And the 49ers locker room has a way of making people calm down and focus on football.
totally agree
The 49ers are so dependent on the run game that it makes sense for the team to pick up a bruiser for short yardage situations. Hopefully, the new back could take 5-10 carries form Gore a game, and take over completely if he gets injured. Hillis and Tolbert would fit that role, as well Michael Bush from Oakland.
Why would any of these backs take a reasonable contract with the 49ers to be a specialist? Well, the market for running backs has cratered after the Chris Johnson fiasco, and its even worse for bruising backs. The 49ers might be one of the few teams that would pay Hillis anything resembling a reasonable contract.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but I’m worried that Hillis might not be okay w/ reasonable. His actions in Cleveland this year indicated he wanted a lucrative extension and saw himself as a #1… Let’s be real, Hillis is probably not going to get a contract to be a bonafide #1 somewhere given his actions and injuries in 2011(except maybe in Cleveland, where he may have burned too many bridges this past year) but there will be a few teams willing to give him #2 RB money (ie the Jets, assuming LT walks away, which seems likely given his criticisms of Ryan and Sanchez this past week… actually, thinking aloud, Hillis’s personality seems to mesh well with Ryan)
The appeal the 49ers would have over some other teams, is the ability to compete for a Championship for the next few years. Luckily, we play in the NFC west, and likely, barring HUGE moves by STL, AZ, or Seattle, we’ll be the odds on favorite to represent the west again next year, despite the brutal scheduling. That being said, if we do start to run out of money through extentions, upgrades at WR, etc. it might be feasible to go after an older veteran chasing a ring that can be a 5-6 carry specialist (Ricky Williams?)
Don't think the NFC West is as easy as you think.
Both the Cards (if they keep Calais Campbell (a top 5 5 technique in the league now) and the Hawks are stacked on defense. The Rams should improve too with Bradford, and a couple extra pieces.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Agreed it won’t be a cakewalk. I’m just saying we’ll still likely be the favorites. That’s something we can sell to FAs looking at us and choosing between say SF and the Jets, who has to face New England 2x every year.
Yep I agree
For the first time in a decade, we look a stable franchise that looks to be competitive for a considerable time. This is mostly down to outstanding work by the FO with contracts, and paying franchise talent early.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Speaking of Campbell, is he a that we should think about signing?
I realize that we’ve got Ray McDonald signed through 2015, but Campbell would be an upgrade. I’m sure that a number of teams might be interest in McDonald in a trade.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 24, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Calais Campbell is outstanding.
Fortunate to have two of the best 5 techniques in the same division. Ray McDonald is easily a top 7-8 (if not top 5 already) 5 technique too, so it wouldn’t be worth it. The team would take a huge salary cap hit in terms of dead money by trading him one year into a 5 year contract extension.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Hillis was getting criminally underpaid in cleveland
He was on a seventh round pick contract, so I think he was making less than $1 million/year. The Browns offered him 16.5 million/3 years, with only $3 million guaranteed. The 49ers offered that same contract to him now with less incentives, after his horrible season, I’m 100% sure he would jump on it.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
i would stay far, far away from hillis
he fumbles the ball like crazy
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by mtl9ers14 on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Obvisouly guys like Moran Norris & Chilo Rachel won't be on the roster
but Shawntae Spencer is someone I dont expect to be on the roster (I think they save 3 mil in cap space if they release him). Either they draft a CB but Curtis Holcomb recovery could play a factor in their draft strategy. I really think he can be a solid CB if he is able to fully comeback
never underestimate the cleverness of
A worthless FB who has managed to stick around on our team for as long as he has…but I’m pretty sure you’re spot on w/Chilo
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Justin just had the best season of his career
He actually got more dominant as the season progressed and he played a higher percentage of snaps in our later games than in the regular season and saw no drop off in play.
He’s 32 with no nagging injuries playing a position that guys routinely play until 35. We are closer to replacing Gore than we are to replacing Justin.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
can't argue with what Justin did this season, however there are no guarantees from injuries...ever
it’s much much easier to get a 4th round RB that is a total stud than it is to get a DL…the big/fast/strong guys get drafted early and often. RBs are dime a dozen. DL cannot be ignored.
Can't agree with you there
People say it about running backs but it isn’t true.
Since the turn of the century the guys in contention for “Best 4th round RB” are Rudi Johnson, Marion Barber, and Brandon Jacobs.
Same time span, “Best 4th round D-Line” are Jared Allen, Shaun Phillips, Elvis Dumervil, and Ray Edwards.
Those “dime a dozen” RBs usually only work in zone blocking schemes where you just have to wait for the alley to show up, make one cut, and go. If we start running a ZBS, sure that works.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Info: This draft is the year of the WR; 2013 draft is the year of the RB.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
But unless you got a Megatron/AJ/Fitz/AJ Green type WR
they will take years to develop. We making a Superbowl run next year or not?
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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If your just talking next year
Then go get Plaxico nuff said
Yeah, great idea

"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 1:27 AM PST up reply actions
You do realize that we have one of the best DL coaches in the league who has polished coal into diamonds already....
And we happen to have two young guys on the 53-man roster all year who are the likely replacements for Smith and Soap in the future. We also have Tukuafu who was contributing before a season ending injury. There is absolutely no need for us to spend a draft pick on a DL until Justin Smith retires or suffers a major injury.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
Thinking Brooks takes bigger money to elsewhere, opening a spot for Aldon to start.
We do need LB depth big time.
Wish list:
Re-sign Goldson and Rogers…would rather pay Goldson’s asking price instead of settling for lesser talented players like Madieu and Smith.
Sign Dwayne Bowe and Carl Nicks.
We have a ton of cap space and this is the way to use it IMO.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM PST reply actions
Yeah me too but I would rather just sign him long-term.
I tend to believe that franchised guys don’t play as well or they end up somewhere else the following year. He had a great season for us and I think we should just commit.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Don't need Brooks,
He’s a below average Sam linebacker, which is what he will be when Aldon plays all downs next season.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
we only have 3 OLBs...
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Explained below what I think we should do.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
backups for D a good idea
but behind blowing up the offense on priority list. No love for Crab here, and I respect Alex and all he’s been through, but doesn’t it tell he got lauded for hitting a short post/deep slant to win vs NO? NOT an elite throw, but notable for Alex…?
Crab’s had 3 yrs, no training camp, and we’re acting like he’s an asset? This season was a great dream, time to wale up.
Go Trent, go Jim!
by TheCatch81 on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/24/cosell-talks-for-alex-smith-what-a-difference-a-week-made/
well-founded criticism of alex smith in the game.
also, there is now word that peyton doesnt even think indy is good for his healing process and it really sounds like he’ll be leaving. i wonder if he’s released and still not fully healthy, if we could sign him and even if we had to wait a few weeks into the season with CK7 or another backup?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 AM PST reply actions
posted this earlier in the thread...agree 100%. still think Alex is back tho, for lack of better option...
they Peyton situation is worth watching tho…
I always thought it was fairly certain, given Manning's salary and bonus this year,
that the Colts were going to cut him regardless of his health. Manning-to-Niner scenario seems out of the question, though, on the niners part. I can understand given all the circumstances.
Why would they cut a healthy Manning?
They just signed him. They will only cut if the risk is too great. We also won’t sign because we hired a HC to groom a QB in a system. Manning would change the entire system to suit his incredible skillset. Though, I’d be for it, I don’t think the brass or Harbaugh would take the risk.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Basically if they want to keep him they have to pay him
a 28 million roster bonus between the Super Bowl and March 8th.
Along with his base salary he’s on their cap for almost 35 million (IIRC). If they bring him back they can’t bring in Luck or RGIII at the first pick even with the new reasonable rookie contracts they are already up to 50 million for just 2 QBs.
They can’t keep Manning and draft Luck / RGIII without dooming the team to the basement. You can’t build a decent team when you have 50 million of your cap space locked up in 2 guys.
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This defeats the entire arguement...
If they bring him back they can’t bring in Luck or RGIII at the first pick even with the new reasonable rookie contracts they are already up to 50 million for just 2 QBs.
Draft player prices are slated by pick now, not position IIRC. If they can’t pay Manning and a 1st overall pick, then Manning is gone regardless or they are trading down drastically. They can take a QB, WR, RB, OT and they are getting the same price tag based on the position they are taken.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Well the underlying assumption that I didn't write out
Is that if they aren’t taking Luck or RGIII at #1 they won’t stay at #1 and will work out a deal for a combination of good young players and picks that will help fill out their depleted roster.
In that situation they can bring Manning back.
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even if the tests check out
there is always substantial risk with those nerves…and $20 million per is alot for always having that uncertainty.
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Trade Dixon for a draft pick- retain Costanzo
We have cheerleaders on the sideline, and a dozen great STers. Dixon gots to go. if the guy can’t pick up crucial short yardage gains, he’s no use to the team and a waste of the OC’s efforts.
Dixon has no trade value.
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No team would trade a pick for a player where you can get upgrades through undrafted rookies.
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we managed to dish Mays
some teams need a guy that can pound the rock. perhaps there’s an owner out there that thinks this kid can bruise. he’s also played very well on ST- so i think there’s some value there.
but yea….he’s as good as gone. sucks that he’s had 2 years w/ Gore and couldn’t glean a damn thing.
Mays had outstanding, freakish athletic ability.
And was a second year player. Worth it for a 6th round pick. Dixon is an awful, yes awful, RB.
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dixon is frigging awful. he needs to be CUT
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
why should we trade away dixon?
He is a decent player and we aren’t paying him much… And as for short yardage does anyone know his success rate compared to rest of the NFLs?
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He shouldn't be traded.
He should be cut. Better undrafted rookies in this draft, and funnily, in his draft too… Blount.
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If we can find someone better than sure cut him
but he does a decent job at what he needs to do in ST…
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We have 53 roster spots
Akers, Lee, Jennings, Costanzo, Spillman, Jones, and Ginn.
Akers, Lee, and Jennings are ST necessities. But the rest are already guys who aren’t good at their listed positions and are on the team mainly for their ST play. We’re kind of full.
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I was wondering if you have his success rate for short yards?
I mean he doesn’t get many chances but he seems to make them when he gets the ball…
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Didn't make it on Sunday on maybe the most important play of the game!
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what play was that?
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He got the ball twice for some reason,
first time there was a huge hole, possibly for a potential TD, but got tripped up. And on the next play on short yardage, got stuffed. That was mainly because Justin Smith whiffed.
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Oh those two plays
ya I can see why he slipped but the blocking on the second one wasn’t good at all. Justin Smith missed on his block. No RB would make that…
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Shoulda got the first on that first play though...
I like Dixon, just don’t think he’s a great RB.
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That should be on Justin Smith...
He didn’t engage the guy he was supposed to block and blow him off the line like he should have. If he does that, that play likely goes for a TD and we aren’t discussing the offseason right now.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
Not the third down play, the second down play
Dixon got tripped when running through a huge whole.
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That one should be on the coaching staff
Since I’m sure even the great Bruce Smith would have made a pretty poor blocker.
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Nope
If you really want to know and don’t feel like paying for “premium” stats sites.
You can always download the official gamebooks from NFL.com, convert to PDF to text, run some interpreted language script to scrape out the lines of interest, and calculate the success rate yourself. Or just look up his number of carries and then go through the books manually until you find all — let’s see — 29 of them?
I’ve done it before but it was quite a chore.
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Ya I don't care that much for it
just want to know.
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Of course he should he is the #3 back
I just don’t think he is as bad as people say he is. If we are really saying that the 3rd string RB is the reason why our offense sucks than we need to step back a little. He barely plays and a 3rd string RB isn’t going to get many snaps.
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i think the problem is...
he’s not good at what he’s paid to do. if he’s a 3rd string RB (getting beat out by a rookie, mind you) he needs to be good at what he is. A BIG RB. He doesn’t play big, and easily gets tackled. he loves to dance and he doesn’t hit the hole like a ton of bricks.
thing is… he doesn’t do enough with the chances he gets. yes, i’d like to see his success rate- but i also find myself furious every time he gets the ball. even the short yardage play, he was passive in hitting the line.
his antics have been fun to watch. he’s definitely got personality. if he’s going to make the team next year, he’ll need to focus and study and work very hard on improving his technique- not his twitter page.
impossible to compare Dixon and Hunter they have different styles of running
thats like calling a fish stupid for not being able to climb a tree
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by saying he got beat out by a rookie you did compare.
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I like Dixon
he was thrown into the game because Gore wanted out. Gore’s carreis are down in large part because he’s hurting. Again. Therein is a problem for next year.
It’s a bit harsh to judge a guy when he’s asked on a moment’s notice to come in when he hardly ever gets any snaps. Very few backs are good when they get so few touches week in week out. It’s like a pinch hitter coming in out of the cold. Not an easy role.
Dixon has talent. Moves pretty well. Great attitude. I don’t think he’s ever really had the opportunities.
DL and Grant
Could use a little depth on the DL and resigning Grant is a bite more important since he showed how great of a back up he is.
Grant should be restricted
Brock and Tukuafu are exclusive.
Basically for those that don’t know, restricted means we can tender Larry Grant at a certain draft pick level (which is tied to the minimum salary you have to pay him) and are then able to match any contract that he is offered. If we don’t want to match it, we get that round of draft pick from the team making the offer for Grant.
For those exclusive FA, their contracts are up but we are the only team they can negotiate with. They can take what they are offered or watch the next season from home.
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Grant will get a second/third round tender
If there’s little interest, he might sign a 2 to 3 year deal.
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Should definitely tender Grant as a 2nd rounder...
He can start today for a lot of teams in the league, and there are enough teams who would give up a 2nd rounder for an experienced day 1 starter at MLB/ILB.
I would even offer him a contract as a replacement for Brooks as a 2 down LB, but then we need another outside pass rusher that can contribute immediately.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
I think we can use more pass-rushers...whether via FA or draft.
If Aldon goes down, then what? He was our best pass-rusher. Let’s get another threat outside.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:31 AM PST reply actions
What the FO should do is
Draft or pick up a pass rush specialist similar to Travis LaBoy. Let Brooks walk, kick Aldon Smith to Jack LB and obviously play every down. Draft a 3-4 Sam LB or pick one up through FA (not nearly as expensive), and see who is best out of Haralson, the rookie and Larry Grant (who was surprisingly impressive in pass coverage).
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I'd go for Larry Grant
He wasn’t that bad when he was called on to blitz either. He’s not a great pass rusher, but at the Sam it’s more important that he be able to cover tight ends and set the edge. If you can’t do that it doesn’t matter how well you rush the passer.
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Exactly.
Brooks doesn’t even fit the team next season, which is what I’ve been saying. I find it ridiculous that the franchise tag is even being mentioned on him, he’ll cost far too much for what he will be.. a Sam LB.
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are you saying we should move Grant to Sam?
He was solid in pass protection and even showed some pass rush, but I don’t think he has the size to play the run in the trenches. He’s better suited for ILB, in my opinion.
I’m with you on everything else, though. If everything goes right, Aldon should take Brooks’ spot next year. I think Haralson paired with a pure pass rusher from FA or the draft could hold the other side of the line, at least until Fangio and Tomsula can develop an every down Sam LB.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe he would be better suited as an ILB
But size isn’t an issue. He’s not that much smaller than Haralson. Inch taller, 4 pounds lighter. If you saw the two of them on the street from behind you may not be able to tell them apart.
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I think Haralson is pretty undersized too :)
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I think he's undersized to play the Sam
And is definitely best at ILB. But he is far better in coverage than Brooks, and has shown to be outstandingly stout against the run, so would set the edge well. He’s far superior to Brooks in those two categories already, and would already be a better Sam option than he is, and far cheaper. He showed some pass rush ability too, but is still ultimately quite undersized. I would love Manny Lawson back. With Dashon and Rogers, and an improved Culliver at nickel after a year’s experience… that could be the best D in the history of the NFL.
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You could definitely make the case for Grant over Brooks
I don’t know if either is that great of an option, though. When Aldon is on the bench, the 49ers have one of the smallest defensive fronts in the game. That hasn’t been a problem this year because the d-line is so fundamentally sound, but Grant at OLB would just make the problem worse.
I really like Grant, though. If he comes back to the 49ers, this might be the only way to have Grant, Willis, and Bowman on the field at the same time. That’s always going to be a good idea.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
oh also
Grant played weakside OLB for the rams 4-3 defense (I think that’s pretty similar to a 3-4 Sam OLB, but I don’t know exactly how their defense works). He was terrible at it. The Rams are terrible at most things, though, so this might not mean much.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
This is a very valid point.
Grant was cut from a team that has probably the worst linebackers in the league. NaVorro Bowman, the best ILB in the league last season (yes better than Patrick Willis imo last season), would make a lot of players look good. I do think, however, the Rams are generally just poor at judging LB talent, because their linebackers were downright awful this season apart from James Laurinaitis.
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Jarome Simpson might want to come out here
he will no longer need his weed shipped in he can just travel north to get some
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simpson is too much of a head case
with all the good recievers in FA I wouldn’t go for him
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by mtl9ers14 on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Josh Morgan
- WR IMO. he’s shown great ability for both, getting open and YAC. Alex isn’t afraid to throw him the ball, either. With his return, the niner WR corps gets much better.
The real question is what to do with crabtree. He’s not proven to be a #1- be it his fault or the QBs…what will the FO do with him. he has trade value, and doesn’t seem to be realizing his potential in SF.
If the niners grab a #1 WR in the free agent market, i’d think Crabtree gets dealt.
I wouldn't be against trading Crabtree for a good draft pick as long as we sign someone like Bowe.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
"Crabs not going anywhere"
Exactly the point, Coretete. He’s been here long enough to have proved that. Time to get him doing it somewhere else.
by TheCatch81 on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
mindless...
Is that you?
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I missed you too, bro
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...like 3rd round?
I would think that’s decent trade value…
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
and I would think thats stupid
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that would be horrible
he just came off a year where he had 70 catches for 800 yards in a season where he started of really slow. Trading him would be a huge mistake
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by mtl9ers14 on Jan 24, 2012 12:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
that would be horrible
he just came off a year where he had 70 catches for 800 yards in a season where he started of really slow. Trading him would be a huge mistake
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by mtl9ers14 on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
this
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I don't know
Crabtree is solid, but i think Morgan would have those numbers if he stayed healthy and he will probably be cheaper than Crabtree next season.
Let me put it this way, I’d be happy if Crabs stays and continues to improve, but if this FO traded him for a 3rd and a 4th, I would not be angry about it.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Alex doesn't trust him
…and that was pretty evident in our loss; 1 catch the entire game; don’t get me wrong, regular season #’s are nice; but if you choke this badly in the playoffs against a suspect pass d…
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 1:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So its Crabs fault for not being trusted by Alex?
Should Crabtree promise to Alex that he will never lie again?
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a promise ring would help
maybe a friendship bracelet.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think they should have a team bonding event.
Maybe have them see a therapist?
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we should send this list to Harbaugh
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Why do I think that won't turn out well?
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don't worry
Alex would probably overshoot Crabtree, who couldn’t get any separation from the tree he was standing next to.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
nice
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stick em in a boat together
that’ll be perfect.
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Training camp would nice
Just saying
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by Badly Browned on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'll tell him to stop being injured.
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It's his attitude that bothers me the most...
how about he prove he can make clutch plays and get open before he goes complaining abuot not having any chances? Training camp and preseason may help to ya know?
And I would gladly trade him for a 3rd rounder if we sign someone like Bowe.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 24, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
We went 20 weeks
Training camp is what 4? So those 4 weeks will give Crabtree and Smith some connection that 20 weeks cannot?
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in other news crabtree just stubbed his toe and does not plan to practice until the second week in Sept
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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keep crabtree… I think he’s good, but maybe not number one receiver good. I think he’ll be a good secondary receiver in the future. He’s simply not physically dominant enough to get first reads on most plays.
like to wait and see
he is still growing up and is getting more physical. He just left us with a bad after taste after watching him progress.
waited and saw
Time. To find a good home for Alex and Michael BOTH.
HOW LONG do those of you who want to wait, want to wait ???
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by TheCatch81 on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We will regret the day we let Crabtree walk
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by manraj7 on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and that writing is:
that he is getting better. You don’t want to wait one more year with him already in contract to see what he will accomplish with an offseason with Harbaugh?
I might be wrong....
But we did make the NFC Championship with these players, right? And we did it in a lockout shortened year? Did I miss anything? Take a step back and breathe. I’ll bet this time last week you were on your high horse and singing praises.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
What makes you believe we could get a "good" draft pick for trading Crabtree?
The draft is pretty stacked this year at WR, but we are not in position to pick among the top 2 at the position. Crabtree is coming off the best year of his career. Getting the “true #1” WR that we need will allow for Crabtree to be moved around and be used in other ways besides trying to stretch the field.
I also believe the coaches will be catering more plays to fit Crab’s skill set and put him in a better position to make plays. It’s likely that he will also be at the full training camp this year or else he will be in Harb’s doghouse.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Also
From there on it’s simple: paring Peyton Manning with the 49er defense means multiple championships – dynasty championships.
Let’s not get too crazy here. Yes, if we get Peyton and he’s healthy (and we can possibly be able to go without him for a few weeks), especially with a FA WR, we will probably go to the Super Bowl and hopefully win one. But let’s not start talking about dynasties before he’s even been released yet.
Crabtree got 800 rec yards with us barely throwing. If he had Peyton, he’d probably put up at least 1,000 yards, and so would Vernon or a FA WR we got.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions
this is our problem!
The whole direction of the offense hinges on who throws the ball.
If alex stays, crabtree has to go. they’ve never been on the same page, and they’re stunting one another’s growth.
If a big name QB comes to town, we won’t have the money to sign a big time WR in FA- and re-signing Rogers becomes instantly more important.
Behind our line
He’ll be in line for 3 more neck surgeries before the bye week. No thanks.
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Peyton is good at knowing when to go down
Colts oline isn’t the greatest but he makes it look good…
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he makes great adjustments-
AND gets the ball out quickly.
Peyton would crush defenses if he played in SF.
by t p on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
a great offense would make this team unbeatable
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Their O-line is made up of smaller faster linemen
Who are good at picking up blitzes. We have larger slower linemen who get confused by a vanilla zone blitz.
Peyton would be murdered and get up wearing his Mr. Whinyface expression.
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Oh ya thats true
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Maybe but Peyton has intagibles to avoid sacks in the pocket and make quick accurate passes
unlike our current #1.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
After a year on the shelf, going to a different system...
Sure, it could work…it could also look like Joe Namath as an L.A. Ram in 1977: aging quarterback flames out on a playoff team.
You know every team in the NFL would be gunning to put Peyton in the hospital for good – he won’t escape all of the hits, not at his age.
Not true, teams that have a QB known for making you pay see a huge amount of decrease in how many blitzes are even sent.
Safeties will almost always play two deep and the running game would be ridiculous. Peyton would be safe because defenses have to worry about getting beat deep.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Nobody ever beat the Colts under Peyton by sitting back in Cover 2
That’s a good way to let him hang 40 on you.
There are two ways to beat Peyton Manning. Keep him on his back, or put up 35 yourself and hope his receivers have a bad day.
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past tense
‘made’; Peyton may decide to test FA if they draft Luck…not because they can’t co-exist but because Peyton probably wouldn’t want to look over his shoulder all the time w/a #1 overall pick sitting on the sidelines who is his heir apparent
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Peyton has 0 super bowl hope on Indy. 00000000000000
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
First evaluate each offensive position personal...O-Line-T.E.-W.R.-R.B.-F.B.-Q.B.
Then evaluate each defensive position personal…D-Line-L.B.-C.B.-Safety
Now name one player at each position that you would replace & and try to get an upgrade replace for, via the draft, trade,free agency.
In other words “NAME THE WEEK LINK” player at each position and or name the position we clearly need better quality depth at.
Goodwin/Snyder – Draft an interior O-lineman with one of the first two picks.
WR – #1 Needed
RB – Dixon, Gore
D-line – depth at 5 technique
LB – Brooks with a rookie Sam LB
CB – rookie for depth
S – If Dashon stays, then need depth only. Reggie Smith can walk.
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Goodwin/Snyder – Draft an interior O-lineman with one of the first two picks.
NO
GOD
DON’T DRAFT ANOTHER FUGGIN O-LINEMAN IN THE FIRST ROUND
JUST STOP
YEAH BOY I’M SURE GLAD WE TOOK ANTHONY DAVIS OVER EARL THOMAS, THANKS SINGLETARY
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Picking up guards or centers in FA is stupid imo
Overpaid and not worth it. Picking up a center or guard from the draft is the right move.
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a question of timing
this will be year 3 for Davis/Iupati and year 6(?) for Staley. They’re gelling. and they will be even better next year.
plugging in a rookie sets the whole line back a notch, but bringing in a veteran keeps the most consistency across the unit as a whole.
And I was a huge fan of Earl Thomas going into the draft, wanted to take him at 13.
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At #10 yes it is stupid
At #30 it isn’t.
Interior lineman is one of the few positions in the draft where you can still get first round talent at the bottom of the first.
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It is simple
we take best available at RB/WR/C/G/OLB/CB/S. That will be our strategy the entire draft.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
ugh..
I can’t agree on Payton..id love to see it that way but history repeating of greats to other teams from what I remember never made it to win a super bowl. He would be the first to win with 2 different teams but doesn’t seem likely.
by SFOpsidian49 on Jan 24, 2012 11:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I dunno
he’d have Morgan (provided he re-signs of course) & in all likelihood a WR acquired via FA, plus Vernon…that’s not even counting the screens he’d be throwing to Gore/Hunter…but I know this is a pipedream, so take it w/a grain of salt
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wow
Do you think we can throw a screen? That would be freakin’ amazing.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
WR
Marques Colston(WR) from NO will also be a FA
interesting thoughts but...
while D Jax is a great deep threat when a team wants to stretch the field i don’t want him to bring his attitude problems to the team. It would be TO part 2.
Adam Snyder should be kept if possible since he’s played every position on the O Line (at least it seems that way) and you can never have too many decent and versatile linemen.
I hope the 9ers add WR, CB, OLB.
all i wanted was a pepsi...
We would need a deep threat QB for either DJax or VJax.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
our receivers are apparently getting open downfield
but of course Smith has issues with making those big throws.
It is far easier for stellar QBs to make mediocre WRs look very good than it is the other way around.
Some names that should be on the FA list:
Marques Colston, WR, NO: 6"4, 225, deep threat wide receiver but not exactly a big-name wide receiver, as the New Orleans offense likes to spread it around. Could be a steal.
Brent Grimes, CB, ATL: One of the best up-and-coming cornerbacks in the league. Still young and will be an unrestricted free agent. He might sign back with the Falcons but if he doesn’t he could be a great signing.
Mario Williams, OLB/DE, HOU: Take a moment to think about the possibility of rushing Aldon Smith from one side and Mario Williams from the other. I rest my case.
Again, Mario Williams would be an awful pick-up.
You don’t rush both OLBs on all downs unless we are expecting Ray McDonald to drop into coverage… haha.
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I wouldn't call it awful
Plus they can both alternate between DE and OLB. Fangio will find a way to utilize them both.
The coaching would be stupid to not even consider a player of his caliber.
Alternate who?
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This isn't Madden, there is a salary cap.
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I know there is
I’m not saying he could be the best signing of the century, but not considering him would be silly.
Plus we have lots of cap space and while I don’t believe the FO will make the signing, I think they should at least think about it.
He wouldn't play at all.
Aldon Smith is the every down LB. Aldon Smith isn’t going to play in Haralson’s spot – people are missing this. Aldon Smith will be playing instead of Brooks at Jack LB. If Brooks was re-signed, he would play Sam LB where his main duty is pass coverage, where (although he has improved slightly) he is distinctly below average and would be a liability. You can’t afford to spend huge money on a player that will be a pass rush specialist like Mario Williams would be. Better to pick up a Travis LaBoy type player.
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I don't recall seeing Haralson in pass coverage all year
I do recall plenty of edge setting and a decent percentage of rushes.
Obviously he had coverage assignments, but I think you’re overstating the case a little here. 3-4 teams are not 4-3 teams. There are not 4 designated pass rushers and three designated run stopper/coverage guys. They alternate. See Harrison/Woodley. See Spencer/Ware. Etc.
I have no doubt the team will not sign Williams. He’s going to get PAID. But I likewise have no doubt that they would be happy to have them. And there is no way on this earth that he and Aldon, wouldn’t be everydown guys in that system.
Haralson wasn't in coverage?
I completely disagree about Williams. We would have to move to a 4-3 if he and Aldon were to play every down. Can’t have both at 3-4 OLB and just send 5, unless you expect McDonald to drop back in coverage…
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Of course he was...
…and so was Aldon. And so was Williams before he got injured. Haralson was almost never matched up against a TE the way Lawson was before him, and relatedly I genuinely don’t recall any important man assignments he had. I’d be surprised if he had as many passes defensed as Aldon Smith, honestly.
He was obviously put into zone coverage and given the right flat or whatever, but that’s quite a bit less trying of one’s coverage skills. Heck, Soap played zone coverage at times. And McDonald probably as well though that I don’t recall any in particular at the moment.
Look, I take your point. There is a single primary pass rusher in a 3-4, typically the weak side guy, and you don’t sink 30% of your cap room into a pass rusher to have him rush the passer infrequently.
I just think you’re overstating it. There is a lot of precedence for having two strong pass rushing OLBs- see Pittsburgh perennially, or the way Dallas has tried to construct its D (definitely not sold on Spencer though), which is part of the reason why I hope they keep Brooks (because Williams is just blog dreaming, Haralson stinks and we need the depth anyway).
Pittsburgh are in huge cap difficulties,
Mainly due to overpaying on 2 OLBs, when it is far more important to spend elsewhere. I think they are 40 million over the salary cap as it stands. The Cowboys just depend on Ware’s brillance, and Ware very rarely, if ever, during a game drops into coverage.
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The Cowboys drafted Spencer, a pass rushing DE, in the first round to play OLB opposite Ware. If ‘the Cowboys just depend on Ware’s brilliance’, that is a funny way of showing it. Moreover, Ware does drop into coverage on a significant percentage of downs, (albeit fewer than Spencer does), as does James Harrison, (see most of his illegal hit fines) etc. etc.
As to the Steelers, they are in trouble on cap largely because they had a defense full of pro-bowlers that are now old and the back-loaded end of those contracts is coming up. They are also paying several old offensive players like Hines Ward as if they are still stars, long after they are not. That happens to dynastically good teams. If you recall, it happened to us around about the late 90s.
Notwithstanding their current circumstances, I would take a strategy that netted me several titles and a bunch more trips to the playoffs and near titles for a little salary trouble and rebuilding when the core of the team was over the hill.
But all of that is tangent. Teams run the 3-4 to give them extra flexibility in pass rush and coverage schemes to force errors in protection schemes and coverage reads that result in plays being made. There is no point in the scheme if you’re going to rush the same 4 every down, which is why no 3-4 team does that.
So it’s silly to think then that we should only care about who one of those OLBs is, and have a 4-3 type OLB on the other side. Again, no one that actually runs the 3-4 thinks this way.
I appreciate the beauty of the 3-4 is that enables flexibility.
But you can easily apply a pass rush with a ‘4-3 type’ OLB, or even Larry Grant (an ILB), instead of overpaying on another pass-rushing OLB who won’t pass rush much during the game anyways. We are lucky to have two outstanding ILBs who can both pass-rush through the A-gap also. Obviously, in an ideal world with no salary cap, you’d like two oustanding pass rushers, who can also drop into coverage when needed. However, given the salary cap, I’d much prefer the team to re-sign Rogers, Dashon, and pursue a WR, and possibly re-sign Bowman now. Delanie is also a FA next season, who is another player that needs to be re-signed. I’d rather Bowman stay a Niner for 10 seasons and form one of the best ILB tandems in the history of the NFL, than pay another OLB. There is no way we would be able to keep Willis, Bowman, Aldon Smith and Brooks. No way. And the main reason the Steelers are in huge salary cap difficulties is because they chose to re-sign Woodley last off-season, having already committed to Harrison on a lengthy and quite substantial deal.
Also, Ware drops back in coverage the least out of all 3-4 OLBs I remember reading. It clearly looks that way when you watch the Cowboys. Wade Phillips runs a similar 3-4 at Houston, where Mario Williams was basically pass rushing on every down from the 3-4 OLB position before he got injured.
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I believe they will keep all those guys
but it will depend on the market for Brooks, which I don’t think is knowable at this point. Time will tell.
Also, the Steelers are in cap trouble...
for a long complex list of reasons that can reasonably be simplified to ‘they are paying a bunch of players like elite stars’ e.g. Rothlesberger, Polamalu, Taylor, Miller, Woodley, and they have a lot of baggage from guys that are over the hill but still being paid like stars, (e.g. Farrior, Ward, etc.).
It’s pretty disingenuious to try to hold up a single contract decision on a single player as being the reason for their cap woes. That simply doesn’t hold muster.
Yeah I know what you mean
I’m just mentioning that one contract, because that seems the hardest hurdle to overcome. Overpaying on several players is what gets you like 40 million over the salary cap.
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And Spencer was picked late in the first to be situational pass-rusher and was a BPA pick.
Low first-round picks weren’t getting much anyways, so that was fine at the time. No way were they going to take another DE/OLB tweener if they were drafting top 15 overall.
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Um
Clay Matthews went 26th overall! I don’t know that I follow the logic here.
I'm not saying you can't get quality at the end of the first
I’m saying, the Cowboys would not have picked another DE/OLN tweener top 15 overall because of the cap implications when they already have Ware!
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maybe
I think we’re splitting hairs here. You are right in the sense that resource allocation and defensive scheme (you can’t rush 5 every down) would make signing Williams absurd. I’m just trying to make the point that the pass rush capabilities of the Sam linebacker are very important as well, and that this was one of the reasons I hoped we’d resign Brooks. I like him better than Haralson, think he will improve in the other aspects of his game going into a second season as an every down guy and frankly we need the depth/stability anyway. That doesn’t of course mean we can pay him a lot, and if that’s teh market than certainly they will let him walk. I don’t think it will be, as they’re aren’t a lot of 3-4s, but we’ll see.
Mario Williams is a much better DE than OLB! He would replace McDonald, not Brooks.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
Mario Williams will not play 5 technique. We run a 3-4, not a 4-3. He was playing Jack for the Texans, where Wade Phillips used him as an ‘OLB’ but was really a standing up 4-3 DE, in a 3-4 set.
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not really
Obviously but line him up at DE on passing downs or rush Williams and drop Aldon or line Aldon and Williams up on the same side at OLB and DE. Keep the offense guessing
all i wanted was a pepsi...
Sign a player that will cost 12 million per season on a 5 year deal
To play on 3rd down only?
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Madden
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Don't think I could afford that on Madden either, lol
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Sure ya can
Just turn off injuries and sign the worst possible depth you can. =P
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:) Yep true true.
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Williams, if brought here, would play all 3 downs....
The defensive front would rotate pretty consistantly to always have Smith, Smith and Williams on the field, and Soap and Ray would be the players rotating in based on the front we use. Of course this is a pipe dream because there is no way we would do this and it’s completely unnecessary.
Don’t forget that Aldon lined up at times as a DE with a 3-man line; which would put Williams as an OLB who could also rush the passer. This would be way they were mostly used if paired together, and they would alternate between who plays which position. Again, not happening though.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
I appreciate a player on Mario Williams' quality would play all 3 downs in any defense.
And yes, Aldon was played at DE in a 3-man line. But it is all a question of opportunity cost when there is a salary cap. You can’t just sign Mario Williams and rotate Soap and Ray when significant salaries are devoted to those players, when they are extremely good players too. There are bigger needs elsewhere… it wasn’t due to the pass rush that we didn’t get to the Super Bowl. It was special teams and the Offense.
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Possible We fit their needs
Playoff contender (NFC West we can still dominate with the right pieces)
Aldon Smith will get double teamed so we are going to need another OLB that can help. Brooks is not a true threat for double digit sacks.
Some will take a few millions off if they know the team is a Super Bowl Contender.
I really believe that they will get a impact player that will shock everybody
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Goldson will not get franchised
He plays more like a SS than FS. I really believe he wants to be paid like a TOP 5 Safety and we are not going to do that. I really did not like how he did not notice players were in position for the INT.
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You know what the franchise number is for a safety?
6.2 million. That’s laughable. That’s only a million more than we offered him, and that was before he turned in this seasons performance.
He’s the best candidate for the tag because it’s cheap and it gives us another year to sort out the safety mess — specifically that we have no depth that can step up and start, the FA class is headlined by Goldson himself, and only guys who looked like they could start at FS in the draft went back to school.
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Yep, precisely.
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A million more than we offered him on a 4 year deal.
Longer deals obviously include a premium. We probably would have offered 6-7 million on a one year deal last season (that was after a poor season).
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I really do not see anybody getting franchised this year. If there is a guy that can play like Reed out there I am hoping we can get him. But if the money must be spent, lets make sure that OL is addressed.
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There's no Ed Reed, and there never will be.
Dashon Goldson as good as we will get in FA or in the draft. Very weak FS class, best to keep him one more season using the tag.
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Safety play in general has declined in the last few years
There aren’t many safeties in the league that are better than Goldson, and that’s more of an indictment of safety play nowadays than it is a compliment for Dashon. The FO offered him 5 years, $25 million last offseason — I bet that goes up to 5 years, $30 million. Hopefully that’s enough to keep him.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, he overplayed his hand last season and got burnt.
I’d be happy with 4 years at 24 million, unfair on Whitner who got only a 3 year deal last season.
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4 years 24 million would be great
really anything around 5 million a year would be a steal, especially if its backloaded.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Safety play hasn't declined
The NFL took away the safeties best weapon, knocking out a receivers trying to catch passes in the middle of the field.
I agree with this entirely.
I think the league will eventually change this because TEs are becoming impossible to cover.
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completely agreed
I used to marvel at how lit up TEs got in the NFL. Just figured because they were these big hulking guys that dudes much smaller and lighter wouldn’t crash into them like a car accident. But that just made them easy targets. No more!
doubt they change the rule though
people are more and more repulsed by the violence of the sport. it’s going to be flag football soon.
fair enough
To rephrase my early post, its not that modern safeties have gotten worse, its that the safety position has changed in the NFL. Safeties now have to be good cover guys and good form tacklers, and there aren’t many of them out there. Goldson is one of the few who can still land a big hit in space, and isn’t a complete joke in coverage.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Then you would rather leave the FS position to Madieu Willimas and Reggie Smith?
Or perhaps we’ll plug in Spillman or Colin Jones; who is now a WR? That franchise tag will absolutely 100% be used on Goldson, not Rogers, and it has nothing to do with the coaches. Baalke is not stupid enough to let Goldson walk without a back up plan. That back up plan this year failed pretty miserably, so it’s apparent that Goldson is a necessity for at least this year.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Goldson had an exceptional post season
you can’t blame him for going for the ball and not noticing the color of the jersey of the guy’s that was in the lower left hand corner of his eye at NFL speeds. That’s just silly. Does everyone forget the Saints game now? How about that performance? Against that offense?
Goldson is not everything, but he’s pretty good. They will definitely find a way to bring him back after this postseason.
Did anyone notice
Maybe it was Joe Buck….but there was a play in the 2nd Q that Parly made a great pass rush on. the commentary was all about Aldon as they showed the replay.
it was dumb on the commentary, but refreshing to see. Parly beat a double team to get pressure on the QB. It isn’t mentioned enough, but Haralson had a really good season.
Haralson Or Brooks...who gets replaced by Aldon as starter and what do you do
with the player that Aldon replaced as the starter?
Aldon replaces Brooks.
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If true...then 9ers clearly NEED to draft ANOTHER Pass Rusher
No team can only depend on 1 legit Pass Rusher….we need someone to team up with Aldon.
If 9ers can strike gold again in drafting another legit Pass Rusher….we could be set for years with two YOUNG Pass Rushing Beasts….and that makes our D all the more SCARY!
And we also have Justin Smith.
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And Ray McDonald, who may be a top 5 5 technique in the league in terms of rushing the QB
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by teekay on Jan 24, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
most teams
Who the hell wants to be “most teams”??
by TheCatch81 on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You don't draft an OLB 7th overall in a 3-4
as a Sam OLB, you draft a Jack, Rush OLB.
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Would they not consider...
having Smith at Jack and moving Brooks to Sam. For what is expected of an OLB in pass coverage you’d think Brooks(a former MLB who did play in coverage) would be ideal?!
Smith is going to play Jack, that is what I'm saying.
Brooks is still well below-average in pass coverage, he is far from ideal and certainly won’t be worth the money he will be looking for as a primary 3-down pass rusher – which he won’t be at the Niners.
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True, for what we'd give him to play Sam....
he’d be able to get more money from someone else at Jack, but i don’t think he’s below average when compared to other 3-4 Sam OLB’s. Maybe compared to a 4-3 OLB though.
The answer is Manny Lawson,
I think he only signed a one year deal at the Bengals too.
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I think Brooks was playing Jack because
he was the best pass rushing OLB able to play all 3 downs. I think he’d be a better SAM than Haralson. I think Brook’s skill set actually fits that position much better. He’s not good enough to play Jack long-term. Hes been our primary pass rushing OLB the past 2.5 years and hasnt got more than 7 sacks. Possible the market is thinner for him than expected with higher ceiling talents in the draft. Not to mention a lot of 3-4 teams set at that position already…Ware, Woodley, Orakpo, Barwin/Reed, Hali, Wake, Matthews, Suggs, Ware and even a guy like Barnes breaking out.
It is all a question of opportunity cost
That is the beauty of the NFL and the salary cap. Even if he is (which I doubt) better than Haralson at Sam OLB, it would be a marginal improvement and certainly not worth what a 3-4 every down pass rusher would want.
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Haralson was almost exclusively used on first down/running downs by the end of the year.
He was rarely ever dropping back in pass coverage. Aldon was on the field on almost every passing down.
Is man-law still angry about last year?
the 49ers didn’t even try to sign him after he was here for years. I’d be surprised if wants to come running back.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think he meant the market/money for Sam backers isnt enough
to entice Brooks to resign here…Manny was the latest example to leave.
I don't know.
But he would be ideal imo. I think either he or Nate signed a one year deal. Not sure who.
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Exactly
Brooks would be a great addition to a 3-4 team looking for a primary outside pass rusher, especially since he’s solid against the run. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up with the Chargers or the Bills next year. He’s worth a lot to other teams, just not the 49ers.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Brooks comes back next year...
Harrelson can remain within that job next year, or we can re-sign Grant to compete as a 2-down Sam LB. We have OLBs on the PS all year, one of which just got a future contract. We’ll sign/draft a pass rush specialist for 3rd downs and have someone who can settle in as the Sam for the future.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Shwantee Spencer....what is his trade value?
would a team be willing to give a 4th or 5th rounder for this former starter?
We'd have to give away a 5th for anyone to pick him up.
He’ll be released and we’ll save about 3.2 million in cap space, (only 100k in terms of dead money).
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Niners used to be regulars in that market.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
no
culliver, brown, brock, the injured rookie and draft picks and hopefully rodgers are enough cb’s plus there is practice squad cory nelms.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Last I checked
Rodgers is a free agent coming off a probowl season.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
maybe a 6th or 7th if the 49ers ate some of his contract
Honestly, though, the 6 million in cap space the 49ers would get by cutting Spencer is worth more. I highly doubt he’s back with the team next year.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
For a guy who was on the team's inactive list for the end of the season and the playoffs?
I’d say no trade value at all.
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by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
hope they are autographed at least.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
49er Mock
Here’s what Baalke must do next:
1R: Janoris Jenkins 2R: Michael Brewster 3R: Brian Quick 4R: Kirk Cousins 5R: Cordarro Law 6R: Tramain Thomas 7R: Damarlo Belcher
then…
Maybe pick up Matt Moore in FA or (what I’d try and do) trade for Jimmy Clausen. It’s quite presumptuous but I think both those players would open up the offense more than Smith.
Jimmy Clausen?
i would rather have Brady Quinn if we want bad 3rd string former Notre Dame QBs
Forget Tebow
Andy Lee is the second coming of Jesus
-ME
by DAD OF VLAD on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
You had some credibility until you mentioned Clausen.
I’d rather go into the season naming Kaepernick or Tolzien the starter. We still don’t know if they suck or not. We know Clausen sucks.
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LEAVE JIMMY ALOOOOOOOOONE
no but seriously he’s terrible at football.
by ninerspride on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Both Cam and Jimmy were neck and neck in the preseason
Jimmy needs a change of scenery along with teammates that like him
Preseason means close to nothing.
I’m pretty sure that Cam proved that.
Jimmy’s terrible. Also, his teammates at ND hated him.
by runningblack on Jan 24, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, just a quick PSA
Doing the draft research for my off-season post – some of these taller receivers aren’t. Most of them have at least an inch, sometimes two added on by their teams and that height keeps getting reported until a third party can take an independent measurement.
There are some exceptions that do meet their advertised height, but many of the names that keep getting thrown about as 6’4" guys aren’t.
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What did Brian Quick and Dwight Jones measure in at during the Senior Bowl?
Did Quick even get an invite?
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Both are 6'3"
Jones is 6’3 1/8"
Quick is 6’3 1/2"
(6’4") McNutt is 6’2 1/2"
(6’5") Robinson is 6’3 1/8"
(6’4") Criner is 6’2 1/8"
Fuller is the only guy advertised as 6’4" that is actually 6’4 1/8". Of course, Quick was advertised as 6’3".
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thats not small
do they do arm measuring during the senior bowl?
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And hand.
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Oh nice
where can I find this info? I wanna know who can reach higher
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Google Senior Bowl Weigh In?
Got mine from NFP but I’m sure there is a better source. They took a screenshot of a spreadsheet. Facepalm.
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lol
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while size does count
timing is more important. You’ll get more watching the tapes and the vertical at the combine.
its nice being able to out jump everyone
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I like Criner if he's there in the 3rd round
got some massive hands.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Quick is my favorite
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Like they say
A corner that is listed by his college team as a generous 5’10" is usally 5’8 :)
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Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Better be careful in free agency
The 49ers have a difficult QB to work with when it comes to matching receivers. Alex Smith isn’t pinpoint accurate and the biggest problem here is Alex Smith knows he isn’t pinpoint accurate. He likes big receiving targets that show him unwavering trust., if a receiver doesn’t meet that criteria he doesn’t pass them the ball.
Precisely this is why throwing a big money at Bowe would be one of the worst free agent signings ever. He makes no effort to build a relationship with his QBs and has thrown them under the bus constantly at KC. He would be out the door in 2 weeks here at SF. If none of the big free agents fit the criteria the 49ers are better of looking for two middle of the road guys, again they need some size and reputations towards being friendly to their QBs or a pass will never be sent their way.
Also when looking at guards they have evaluate that guard next to Anthony Davis. I don’t think Snyder is a better guard than Rachal, he just matches better next to Davis. The guard needs to be a detail guy with some quickness to counter balance some of Davis’s weaknesses.
At CB if they lose Rodgers they will promote from within. Brown, Brock, Culiver will take over with probably another mid round draft pick to develop. Also that 7th Rnd pick from this year should be back healthy and the team was high on him.
OLB probably won’t be a huge priority. A veteran we can all facepalm or a draft pick to WOF.
Considering Ginn gets hurt every year the team needs to seek a very good backup kick returner cause Candlestick is the toughest place to field a kick, average ones get eaten up here.
Its a drafting team, have been 7 years and counting. They will try to fill out most of their roster from here, not free agency.
This is realistic
The guy you want next to Davis is Zeitler from Wisconsin. Good size, good quickness, excellent leverage, good on the pull. He can’t be bull rushed like Snyder and if you watch Wisconsin he’s always passing his rusher off to the center after first contact and then hauling ass back to the tackle to help out. He knows how to work as a unit and help cover his RT against speed.
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Wisco always has a good O-Line
Even my sister knows that and she barely watches football.
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I'd love to see Konz if he's available
He’s versatile enough to move from C to G.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 24, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don't want to waste another first on an Olineman
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Yup
Also when looking at guards they have evaluate that guard next to Anthony Davis. I don’t think Snyder is a better guard than Rachal, he just matches better next to Davis. The guard needs to be a detail guy with some quickness to counter balance some of Davis’s weaknesses.
philosophy change will go more to open the passing game than personnel. Fix what we know is a problem. Continue to build in the draft instead of making knee-jerk reactions.
Uhmmm...Adam Synder is VERY valueable, he can play every position on the line
and play those positions good enough so the Q.B. dont get killed.
and how many sacks did the N.Y.Giants , a fearsome Pass Rush team get?
what was it 2…..Our Line is pretty freak’in good, and I expect it to be better in 2012.
If there is an O-Line starter im concerned about its Goodwin, only due to his age
when injuries start to effect his performance.
OL can play well into their 30s...we do need to develop a C.
not sure if Beeler is still on the PS, think Kilgore was playing G/C too.
Yeah Beeler is still there
He was cut for a week and resigned. I read somewhere that he turned down another team’s practice squad offer during that week — Harbaugh told him he was being groomed to be the new center, and he wanted to see that through. I think that’s a good sign for the future of that position.
Your forgetting about Chase Beeler. he might develope into something. Beeler and Kilgore might become staters down the road.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
we are good when it comes with non blitz rushes
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To my very great shame ...
… I forgot Joshua Morgan existed until I read his name at the start of this article.
Shocking...
I heard you’ve shifted to your home team, the Rams.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Ha ha
Yes, they are the home team now, sort of. But don’t ever darken my door with chat like that again teekay :)
by LondonNiner on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
That is right
I broke that news the other day. Sources say he contacted the admin about changing his screen name to LondonLamb.
darn broke leg
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Slight note
I think you guys are kind of blowing the NFC championship game out of proportion. I’m surprised no one said that we should cut Williams or take away his backup PR or KR duties yet…
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Kyle is still a very good talent at WR.
Would be a mistake to let him go.
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i'll say it
never again should Williams be fielding a PR or KR while in a 49ers uni. after the first ridiculous mistake that sent us to OT you’d think he would have had protected that ball with his life. clearly not a good decision maker.
by sf49ersgirl on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Don't think your alone on that thought process ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
that's totally fair
If he ever goes out to get a punt at Candlestick, I’m sure some fan would jump out of the stands and tackle him before he caught it.
or kick him in the knee
…ya know, just to clarify a point
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 1:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
F' It
Sign DeSean Jackson. He’s a head case, but so was Vernon! Make it happen HARBS!
How VISCOUS would it be if we had DeSean Jackson returning kicks for us, and blowing by guys to catch Alex’s underthrown balls!
be wary of the WRs who play in certain systems.
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And guys who haven't been the same since their second bad concussion.
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this
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he is one hit away from retirement and a crap load of dead cap space besides all of the other issues.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
You guys do realize , that The World's Strangest UFO Stories are on ...!!
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This Is a Don't Shoot Me Big Question.... If You Could Trade
Michael Crabtree and gain a 2nd & 4th round draft picks…do you do it, and why?
No
why trade a player that is improving in every aspect of his game? So we can see him play well against us in the hopes that low picks may actually be able to start? Take emotions out of it. There is no reason to trade him unless he is upset behind the scenes and wants to go.
yes.
Does the other team take crabtree’s contract? Then definitely yes. Joshua Morgan is just as good a receiver as Crabtree, and he will probably be worth less than the $4 million/year Crabs is getting. If the 49ers resigned Morgan, added a top-tier WR in free agency, and used that fourth round pick on a WR to develop, they would be in a much better place than they are now.
Look — we all know this year’s receiving corps sucked. No one’s job deserves to be safe.
so trade away the niners best receiver. bingo you are hired as assistant to baalke.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Look how the 49ers treated the secondary last offseason
After a terrible season in pass coverage, they got rid of their best CB in Nate Clements. They added a marquee free agent in Carlos Rogers. They promoted a career second stringer to the starting lineup in Tarell Brown. And they drafted a young rookie to develop in Chris Culliver. and it all seemed to work out.
I think the 49ers could follow that same model by trading Crabs (for a good price, of course), signing a top tier free agent to a reasonable contract, resigning and promoting Josh Morgan to the #2 role (if he wasn’t there already), and drafting a young WR in the second or third to develop.
crabs is not an issue,
Secondary got a new coach and the old one was fired and then fired again by the eagles this year; which is the main reason the secondary has sucket site decorum. You want a better passing game the ball needs to be thrown better.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I agree he's not a problem player
But he’s also not a part of the solution — its not like he’s running free in the secondary on every play. I’m just saying, if the FO wants to make some moves this offseason, they can do better than crabtree at WR1 and potentially at WR2.
hello
The bottom line was this: Smith was reluctant to let it loose on routes and throws that were not only well designed, but were open. They were primary reads. No progressions were involved.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
it is weird to think to play WR or TE in this offense, three receivers are just running decoy routes. No wonder they give up on plays so much.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
so Vernon
scoring 2 TD’s, those were decoy routes too?
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 1:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
this isn't college ball
no routes are decoys. Its called progression.
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Maybe you haven't met Alex Smith
AS progression:
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1. Primary? not open
2. Dump off? not open/throw wildly so acrobatic catch for 2 yards
3. Run the ball/take sack
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I forgot
3rd or 4th progression probably breaking free/uncovered but never seen.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
lmao; sad truth
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Thats on Alex not the play calling
its not a decoy its a QB that doesn’t play properly…
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Don't want to turn this into a debate about Smith
I hope we can agree that, regardless of Smith’s play, Crabtree is not a WR1. He does not consistently get open, and does not have elite speed or size for the position. Vernon caught 10 balls for 292 and 4 TDs in the playoffs, while Crabs caught 4 for 28 and a TD. That’s the difference between being elite and overmatched, and between helping your QB out and needing your QB to help you out.
Can he be a good WR2? sure. But I think Morgan would be cheaper and just as good at WR2, and there are 10 free agents on the market who are better than Crabs at WR1. If the niners can get any value out of him at all, I think they should do it.
regardless of Smith’s play, Crabtree is not a WR1
the sad truth is neither are probably worthy of being no. 1’s on a champ caliber team.
wow!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
you could be right
Hopefully the fact that this team lacks a top flight QB won’t prevent the FO from getting top flight WR.
Crabtree is the Niners number #1 WR defined in yardage
and what does number one or number two matter? And what is number one or number two mean? The difference between vernon and crabtree numbers are that alex smith threw the ball deep and often to vernon davis!!!!! simple as that.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
here's what I mean
A good number one receiver draws coverage his way, and can consistently beat man coverage. A good number two receiver is good enough to get open when the defense is focused on someone else, and can wreck teams in zone coverage and off man coverage.
Crabtree can’t get open against man coverage, and very rarely makes a safety cover him deep. Vernon usually gets open when covered by one guy, and he very often is double covered, which opens the field for everyone else. That’s the difference I’m talking about.
He took Patrick Peterson to the woodshed
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=123681
http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=59344
Honestly, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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---Kyle Williams
He also gone banketed by a decidedly mediocre corey webster last weekend
Peterson isn’t all that great. He’s got potential, but right now he’s pretty average.
Blanketed by Corey Webster?
Who besides one uninformed and misguided fan is saying that? And I won’t hold my breath waiting for a link.
Here’s what I read:
It was 3rd and 4; the 49ers had already gotten 1 first down. Michael Crabtree ran a sail route (kind of a flattened corner route). He was wide open. Smith, with no pressure in the pocket, did not pull the trigger. It was a throw that had to be made. The result of the play was an incompletion on a late check down to Frank Gore.
"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
that was one play
Alex Smith has had no problem throwing to crabtree all season — case in point, crabtree had a field day when he was beating Patrick Peterson like a drum. So, what, Alex just decided to stop throwing to the 49ers leading receiver on Sunday?
I guess you didn't bother to read the link
here it is again:
link
"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
You know catch 3
Did anyone look at the sideline view looked like Crabtree was open
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Crabtree was open in the game I watched
I guess if you’re a beat writer and not much of an expert, and you don’t have access to the coaches film, you might conclude that Crabtree was covered. But the whole WR corps the entire game?
The Giants secondary just isn’t that good.
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I don't have gametape
and I am not an expert. So I can’t comment
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Yeah thanks I read the article
It says crabtree got open on one play and never mentions him again. Let me know how that proves that crabtree is a consistently getting open in the secondary.
Here’s Tim Kawakami of the Mercury News:
I was watching Giants cornerback Corey Webster’s game-long coverage on Crabtree, and Crabtree just wasn’t getting open.
Here’s Grant Cohn of the Press Democrat:
Corey Webster completely shut down Michael Crabtree, just like he did in Week 10. Crabtree caught one pass then and one pass in this game. He is not a No. 1 wide receiver. He was invisible in the playoffs.
Here’s Mike Sando of ESPN:
Those figuring the 49ers might need receiver Michael Crabtree to step up kept waiting and waiting, without results. Giants cornerback Corey Webster shut down Crabtree. […] Crabtree, an occasional force for the 49ers late in the regular season, did not make an impact in the passing game.
Here’s Bill Barnwell of Grantland (formerly Football Outsiders)
Michael Crabtree was effectively bottled up by Corey Webster, and outside of a missed bomb to a somewhat-open Williams, the wide receivers didn’t do Smith any favors.
I don’t like being called misinformed.
You're misinformed
Your quotes show that without the coaches film, you can draw any conclusion you like, even as a reporter. I happen to agree with the NFL films expert.
BTW, good homework but don’t be lazy. Add some links next time.
"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
Again, from the link
The bottom line was this: Smith was reluctant to let it loose on routes and throws that were not only well designed, but were open. They were primary reads. No progressions were involved.
"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
Again, that article doesn't say what you think it says
It says that Smith was reluctant to make throws, and that there were some receivers that were open throughout the day. As an example, he says Michael Crabtree was open on one play.
You don’t seem to understand that, so let me say it again: Greg Cosell only says Michael Crabtree was open on one play. He doesn’t say that Crabtree is a good receiver, or that he was consistently open, or even that he got open more than once. Cosell just mentions that Crabtree was open on one play.
Please tell me why you think that means Cosell is saying Crabtree is a good receiver.
Anyway, this is my last post on the subject, since this is turning into a flame war.
Again, that article doesn't say what you think it says
Greg Cosell is saying the receivers were open on routes that were primary leads. Crabtree is the #1 WR. He must have been running at least some routes that were primary leads, therefore he must have been open.
But why am I having to explain elementary logic to you?
Oh wait, you read Kawakami?
That must be it, Mal Informado.
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---Kyle Williams
Hard to put up #1 stats when you don't throw the ball to him.
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27% of passing yardage was Crabs
comparable to Calvin Johnson getting 33% Wes Welker at 29%. Not too shabby for being the #2 target
by mcwagner on Jan 24, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hush no one wants to know the % of yards
its all about the opportunity stats man.
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Don't want to? Too late
Pretty much every thread is a debate on Alex Smith. When he leaves, comments will drop 75 percent. Book it.
But remember
We didn’t do any major contracts.
We only got Rogers because he was a complete steal.
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that's fair.
hopefully this offseason the FO learns to trust its instincts and sign players to longer contracts. It would have been awesome to have Dashon and Rogers on multi-year deal s.
He's scheduled to make about 13 million over the next 3 seasons,
and the dead money hit would be only about 1.5 million. So from a salary stand point, it could be done. I doubt it though, still think he could possibly be a successful #2.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
13million over three seasons is CHEAP!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah it is very cheap for a #1 or #2
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
yes.
i doubt he’s all that happy here. alex has been very slow to work with him, and it will save money.
if he’s not targeted heavily in your team’s 2 biggest games, there’s not a clear definition of what he means to the offense.
to be clear- i don’t dislike crabtree. i dislike his relationship with alex smith. To me, it’s one or the other. if alex is the man, the org can do good by him, and bring in some big targets. Alex seemed to want to throw to Braylon right away. is there a need for a big body? what is the reason for overthrowing crabtree so very often? why did crabtree consistently get thrown the ball in a way that did not facilitate YAC?
crabtree’s numbers came in a year where there was no challenger for #1 WR. braylon never made a charge, vernon was a non-factor for most of the year, morgan was injured, and kyle/ginn/delanie weren’t targeted all that much.
Not in this draft
This draft I’d want a 2nd and 3rd so I could try to turn my own 3rd and 4th into a mid second or my 3rd and 5th into another low second.
Then I’d have a 1st, three 2nds, and a 3rd. That would be worth it because then I could go Dwight Jones / Coby Fleener / Kevin Zeitler / Doug Martin / Harrison Smith and still have a chance to add a guy like Marvin Jones or Gerell Robinson in the fourth or fifth round.
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Fleener
I’m probably a bit of a homer, because I follow Cal and Stanford fb in addition to our beloved Niners, but I LOVE THIS GUY. Imagine if we could add a 6’6 250lb TE who runs a 4.4 to the offense. That would solve a lot of red zone issues. We could go to three and even four TE sets and have him and VD be our receiving/vertical threats.
Sir, you are getting me fired up for this offseason and the draft!
by TotallyBodaciousDude on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Sadly he'll be overdrafted and I could only make it happen
With that setup of loading up on 2nd rounders. He won’t be there when we pick at #62 and I wouldn’t spend a 1st on him.
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I'd love Fleener too
Pairing another dominant TE with Davis with make the middle of the field uncoverable, which has the added benefit of being the place where Alex likes to throw. Plus, the dude ran Harbaugh’s offense in college — why can’t he run it in the pros?
Right now, he’d be a reach in round 1 — but who knows what his value will be on draft day. He might have a ridiculous combine and end up as a first round prospect anyway.
Yeah I think you're right
Harbaugh went to two TEs as often as possible this year. We definitely need depth beyond Justin Peele, and possibly a replacement to Walker when he hits free agency next season.
Ladarius Green
3rd or 4th round, nice measurements.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
eric wright, steve johnson
maybe the niners would get hometown discounts. wright is an S.F. native and Archbishop Riordan grad. johnson was born in S.F. grew up in the bay area and the niners have had pretty good luck luring players away from buffalo.
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Stevie
Read he has character issues….but maybe our locker room can keep him humble.
by TotallyBodaciousDude on Jan 24, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Stevie is the most talented out of any of the receivers available
He also makes bad QBs look good if you catch my drift…
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
alex smith ( steep discount or release)
any other team he would be a back-up.
And you can not release a free agent as they are “free agents”
Blake Constanzo (resign ) --special teams captain——
Morgan should be a starter if alex smith is on the team.
Under the "radar"’ acquisition*
Would be 26 year Calais Campbell; most likely the 2nd best defensive end in the league. Imagine Campbell across from Justin Smith! Only issue would be what to do with Ray McDonald.
Carl Nicks is from the bay area(Salinas) and could want to come home; New Orleans will probably use the franchise tag Brees and if not Brees they have a choice between Nicks and there wr free agent.
(If Carl Nicks is signed and Peter Konz is drafted there will be no more “excuses” about the oline.)
Mario Williams is also a free agent and the Texans have no room to franchise him; he will be able to negotiate with any team. Would be a big splash and high priced making it unlikely but stranger things have happened.
Marshawn Lynch is from the bay area, is only 25, runs very hard and, is a unrestricted free agent who is unlikely to be franchised.
Alex Smith unrestricted free agent last name is smith and first name is alex; why not yet another smith especially another alex smith?
In strange twist if Dree Brees is not franchised he is from and lives in San Diego so playing close to home and playing on a team with a great defense may be attractive for him.
Laron Randy could be a possibility if no team signs him as a starer, I believe the Redskins Baalke was there when he was drafted); he would be a solid back-up
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Calais Cambell would be an awrsome addition to our defense....WOW!
and at the same time you take a very, very good player away from the Cards.
What I really like about this is that Calais is still YOUNG, getting better & better and can be part of our championship run for a LONG time.
However, do I see the Cards actully not re-signing him, I doubt it.
not sure that they will franchise him; they let their best ilb go a few years ago which really hurt them. They may do the same thing here again. Calais seems like a player they should have extended already like they did with Fitz.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Drew Brees is not leaving New Orleans.
Period, dot.
Ougadas on Vernon Davis and the anemic 49ers offense:
" Our best weapon (is) a 6’3" 250 pound ballerina with cinderblock hands..."
never know
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FB?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
FB
Lol. We possibly have the best young FB in the league. Bruce Miller has surprisingly soft hands too, for a former DE.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
doubt it, I can see one full back and four tight ends next year though
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
we did have two full backs and when they were both healthy usually only one was active on game day.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
And with the issues we had at receiver this year
Maybe it’s a better idea to carry more of those and less fullbacks.
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Miller
I can’t say anything negative about the guy he made great plays for us. Wish we had an O-line to pick up the work.
by SFOpsidian49 on Jan 24, 2012 1:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We could definitely use some depth
Even with Miller out, we didn’t even bother with Norris and used Peele instead I believe.
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by Badly Browned on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
FB?
People on NN have high standards for players that don’t play every snap and low ones that do…
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Let's go find a ILB while we're at it.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 24, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
WR/G/C/RB/NT/DE/OLB/S/CB
Best available from any of those positions. QB is a need but not one we can fill from the draft.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith
If anyone thinks he won’t be our starter next year get your head checked.
by SFOpsidian49 on Jan 24, 2012 1:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
he'll be competing for it.
no question. but i doubt any big name gunslingers are brought in to spice up that competition.
colin’s got an opportunity- and he’ll have to be damn good to get it. but it’s not out of the question.
I don't see how
there will be a sincere “competition” for a QB that re-signs a multiyear contract and just went tot he NFC champ game. I think its reasonable if the niners add an established veteran to the roster, but not if the QB roster doesn’t change.
3 year ten million a year with ten million guaranteed takes away much of the pain. It will be interesting to see how much money is guaranteed with alex, if he resigns.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
kolb got 10million a year, low level starting qbs get about ten million a year. I believe alex next contract if signed with the niners will be around the number yearly but not sure about the guaranteed portion.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah i have a feeling we will way overpay for a mediocre QB
but what can you do? He had one good game and a lot of “not bad” ones. I’d go for Flynn or Manning if there were not consequences but I don’t see Baalke having those types of balls.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, great, we get the "Matt Flynn Is God" discussion again
Two games and all of a sudden he’s the next 49er QB Immortal? Let’s see how he does once the rest of the league has film on him.
I’m stunned the Packers didn’t try to trade him last year – they would have made out like bandits.
I think he will be better than AS
but there is still a lot of daylight between AS and god.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, there it is...the old "Better Than Alex" line
The standard is “franchise quarterback.” If you’re going to get rid of Alex, that’s what you should be looking for. Not just “Better Than Alex.”
Is Flynn a franchise QB? Maybe, but how can you be sure based on such a small sample size? I think there’s a lot of daylight between Flynn and God, but no one seems to want to listen to that logic. It’s all about plucking a QB away from the Packers because they got Rodgers.
Sure, “Better Than Alex” may have gotten us to the Super Bowl. It may have also gotten us into a 45-41 loss to the Saints. Or our WRs start dropping passes like Rodgers’ WRs failed him the week before, and Eli wins anyway.
If you’re going to pull the plug on Alex and choose your future QB, you’d better be 100 percent convinced the new guy will be The Man for years…and not just the FA flavor of the month. Looking for someone who’s just “Better Than Alex” isn’t going to cut it anymore. Find a proven winner or don’t bother to look.
Alex Smith is not a franchise QB and we have a very large sample size
Part of playing the game is taking risks. No decision has 100% certainty and I don’t think you should be advocating for that being the standard as we would be unable to make any decisions.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Nah
The average and mediocre QBs inflated it.
Mark Sanchez makes $14.75million with like $12million of it guaranteed. Kolb got $10m, Matt Ryan is over $11million.
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by Badly Browned on Jan 24, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
mark sanchez is on his rookie contract.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ah right
Thanks for the correction.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Losing the the NFCCG, and not going to the Super Bowl saved us $1-2 million/year on Alex’s contract.
by Mapletreemarty on Jan 30, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
even low level qbs get about 10million a year and even unproven ones like kevin kolb
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
the niners are fair, I do not think they are going to try to haggle with alex to get him down to 6 or 7million. Maybe they give him 8 or 9million but it is all about the guaranteed money.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'll dream that we get a healthy Peyton then and some other team has to suffer w/ Alex Smith for 7yrs
that’s my dream
yeah I thought the Saints game was
very positive and a great thing for Smith going forward, but some made it out to be the signature game that he had arrived. It’s as if that game meant Smith was destined to become very good all of a sudden when for 7 years he has provided no evidence for it at all. I thought it might be a sign that he was still growing, which could still happen, but we know what Smith is at this point and knowing a playbook in and out can’t make you an upper echalon QB.
Smith has like 3-5 games in his career where he absolutely breaks out and dominates
the problem is we want at least that number from a QB in one season.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
at least Kolb didn't have
6 years of futility on his resume. With Smith, there’s less risk, less reward. You know what you’re getting. And of course, Kolb will get cut soon if he can’t up his production
I think he would be cut this year if he did not have almost 10million guaranteed next year! lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
true
the guaranteed $$ of the contract effects whether they can feasibly cut the chord on a player so soon.
which is why alex guaranteed portion will be interesting to see and telling of what they really think of him
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
It could get interesting...
…I think its clear both sides want eachother, but they could disagree greatly as to the conditions of such a return, the terms, and the circumstances.
an inflated
and market…
…negotiations could get interesting, especially if one side either low-balls or asks for too much
Who is available?
I would take a healthy Peyton Manning sure, but that whole health thing, and he’s getting up there in age too.
Orton? Cambell? McNabb? Nah. Flynn will likely be hotly pursued. I suppose Josh Johnson?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
petyon is most likely retiring.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
JJ could be the cheap signing to compete
but also could be the one with out a chair be the season opener.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
really?
The same could have been said about him being the starter this year.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
so you had your head checked last year, what were the results?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
He won't be our starter next year
Because we’re getting Drew Brees baby!!!!!!!!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 24, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
hah
I actualy researched the chances at that..
by SFOpsidian49 on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
site decorum ya baby!!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
he needs
An O-line. Brees is a beast because of his line. Frank Gores vision allowed him to pick up yards not the line. The pocket always collapses on Alex and its easy to say when he has time he can make a play.
by SFOpsidian49 on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
their center was on our practice squad, the same with one of their backups.
and the niners have TWO Pro-Bowlers on their line including their probowl center. What Drew Brees has is pocket presence, ability to feel pressure and, he takes a deeper drop. Brees also recognizes blitzes and can beat them with adjustments and quick passes.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Regarding Alex & only the other NFC Q.B's.....
Put the “NFC”…not AFC, Q.B’s in order of best to worst.
Lets discover where everyone places Alex.
...
1) Rodgers
2) Brees
3) Manning
4) Stafford
5) Romo
6) Vick
7) Newton
8) Cutler
9) Bradford
10) Smith
11) Ryan
12) Freeman
13) Kolb
14) T Jackson
15) Grossman
16) Ponder
No its not
Ryan sucks and so does Bradford. He is a dink and dunker
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So is bradford
he is extremely overrated and the Rams are screwing him over showing the world for what he really is.
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Im not so sure
he’s been playing injured and the Rams are that bad. Maybe he is shell shocked for a couple years so you could be right.,
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
He is being alexed
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what?
Bradford is good. He was injured last year on a shitty team half of which was in street clothes.
I'm insulted
not by your QB comparison, but by use of the term “dink and dunk”. That is the essense of the WCO. We design those “dink and dunk” passes to turn into long gains………
by TotallyBodaciousDude on Jan 24, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
dink and dunking is dink and dunking
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Tough question for you now about your Q.B. list
What skillset generally speaking do the Q.B’s ranked ahead of Alex have that Alex does not?
most important
accuracy, ability to read defenses, the ability to MAKE PLAYS down the field, move the chains etc.
Can throw a screen
also audibles into a better play than the original call
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I asked Crabtree
He said “balls” and left it perfectly ambiguous by not elaborating further on it.
by bignerd on Jan 24, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that's prolly fair based of this season...moving forward tho I like Freeman's upside and Ponder was fun to watch.
side note: I think Matt Ryan sucks (and Flacco)
these lists are always tricky because
everybody weighs upside and potential differently, along with certain stats and traits differently. this list was based going forward.
Yep, I would put Freeman and Ponder ahead of AS
Freeman was totally screwed by TB management out of a growth year because they were so cheap in FA. Only weapon was Winslow. ugh
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
1) Rodgers
2) Brees
3) Manning
4) Stafford
5) Romo
6) Cutler
7) Alex Smith
8) Newton
9) Vick
10) Bradford
11) Freeman
12) Ryan
13) Kolb
14) Ponder
15) Grossman
16) T Jackson
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Yep. This isn't a question of upside.
Best QB at the moment.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
That's borne out by most of the advanced statistics
Newton has a better upside, but Smith was the better QB this year. That’s what not throwing picks will do for you.
I'd argue that Newton's picks would not have allowed us to get as far as did.
In terms of upside, ofc Newton would be higher than Alex, but based on who is the best QB now, it is Alex Smith.
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ahh cmon man
cmon this isn’t the colts blog politics does not belong here.
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Agreed
But I would argue I’d rather have Newton as my QB in the 4th quarter of the Giants game
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
If Newton was throwing this many picks in his 6th year
it still wouldn’t be terrible. It’s too high, but as a rookie he scored 35 TDs (14 rushing) and just 17 picks. A rookie. That ratio will only get better. Newton is going to be a rich man’s Vick that is more durable.
So, in short, I’d rather have Newton all 4 quarters.
With an outstanding D,
You don’t want a risky QB.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Look at how many positives scores Newton got
and as I said, that ration should only get better. No GM would take Smith over Cam Newton in 2012, no matter how good their defense was.
Yeah obviously.
But we can’t have Newton. And the question was, who provides the best opportunity to win now, and that is certainly Alex Smith now.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
I know but
I’m also saying Newton is better now. You seem to think those INTs hurt our defense but his ability to score from anywehre on the field (35 TDs) wouldn’t help compensate for that.
You are going to say Alex Smith is an average QB
While I will say Alex Smith is not, so we won’t get anywhere. All I’m going to say is, we got to the NFC Championship game behind Alex and a couple of fumbles and a BS fumble call away from the SB. He isn’t average, and is far from it.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
we got the NFC champ game behind
an elite defense, elite ST. They were so good that we almost made the SB when our QB went 12-26.
Our ST wasn't elite on sunday
sorry 2 fumbles takes the elite status away. Normally it is but on Sunday it was above average.
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at least it was elite all year prior, Alex has and never will be elite
by Coretete on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
never is a strong word
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a decade of patience fans, that's all we ask
by Coretete on Jan 24, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I’m not saying that either.
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Who would ever say that?
You are going to say Alex Smith is an average QB
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Your username
or were you talking about Aldon Smith. Because if you are we need to talk.
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predates
thankful aldon didn’t provide twice the agony
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I like Aldon he balls.
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you also have to factor in the rest of carolina's offense
Steve Smith was a top 5 receiver this year. Newton also had two of the best running backs in the game, two awesome veteran tight ends, and a top-5 rushing attack as a whole.
I still agree with teekay, though. The 49ers ball control offense was a great compliment to the 49ers defense, and its a formula that got the team to the NFC championship game. I have no doubt that Carolina’s spread attack with Newton behind center will work for them in the long run as well.
Quarterbacks I'd prefer over Alex in terms of potential and upside in the NFC are...
Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Stafford, Romo, Cutler, Newton, and possibly Bradford. 8 QBs – yep that is it.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Yeah but he didn't even list
Vick who is clearly better than AS except in the karma department
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
No,
Vick is not a good franchise QB. He is constantly going to get injured. There is a salary cap. It is not sustainable to carry Michael Vick, and then pay a good back-up handsomely too to cover Vick when he’s injured.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
There are more better QBs in the NFC than AFC. In the AFC, only Brady and Peyton. Don’t like Ben Roethlisberger. That puts him at 10 from 32.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Schaub? Flacco? Dalton? Hasselback? Rivers?
Come on now. That puts him at best 16/32.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Shaub has Andre Johnson and an oustanding o-line. Let’s see how he does behind our o-line and receivers. Flacco? Please. Hasselbeck? Upside? He’s in his mid 30s. Dalton? Has as much upside as Alex Smith does now – AJ Green would help any rookie QB. Rivers is an interception machine. Nope I’m good with those 9 QBs ahead of Alex. Alex is only 27.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
I less than respectfully disagree on every count
Flacco championship numbers were outstanding given his offense. Hasselback might have been a Super Bowl winner had he signed with us. Schaub, Dalton, Rivers I’m not even going to respond to such inanity.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yes it is fine
Especially fine when we have the most sacks under like 3 seconds.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Are you saying that Alex needs to read the blitz and throw it quickly?
Or are you one the many that expects 5 to block six?
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Frank Gore makes an excellent sixth blocker
And actually Alex wasn’t bad on blitzes I thought. The hot read is naturally his primary receiver so no need to go through progressions.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're underselling Rivers and Big Ben
But i agree with you that Schaub, Flacco, Hasselbeck, and Dalton are worse that Smith is right now. But Smith is not clearly better than any of those QBs, and any of them could have better seasons than Smith next time around.
Let's see last week's stats
22/36, 306 yards, 2 TDs. Sounds almost like Alex Smith’s “career” game two weeks ago.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Because stats tell 100% of the story, right?
Oh, not right.
Ougadas on Vernon Davis and the anemic 49ers offense:
" Our best weapon (is) a 6’3" 250 pound ballerina with cinderblock hands..."
You're right
AS had a career 4 minutes, not a career 4 quarters.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Well me too
but I was just pointing out Newton can win games from the QB position
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Alright - Just pure QB skill
Brees Rodgers Manning are elite.
Stafford is good but leans on Megatron too much to be considered elite.
Newton is a one year wonder but he was so good his rookie year I can’t put him any lower and should probably have put him over Stafford.
Romo and Vick are inconsistent with flaws, but can light you up.
Ryan is overhyped but is better than the anti-hype backlash.
Smith
Cutler spends most of his life dumping the ball off to Matt Forte and trying to avoid the hell 7 step Martz put him through.
Freeman has alot of work to do if he doesn’t want to be a 4-5 year washout.
Bradford is Captain Checkdown.
Jackson was made to look much better than he is by YAC this year.
Ponder has potential but makes so many dumb mistakes.
Grossman gets some piss in the pot, but only because he hit everything.
Kolb is horrible.
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Cutler > Smith
At least he can make a dump off pass.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Cutler has Forte
And an offensive coordinator that at least realizes that you are better off letting your back be the safety valve rather than an extra blocker — and I guess also an offensive line that allows you to throw the ball without going max protect.
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He no longer has the offensive coordinator
not sure if the offensive line is that good. Martz certainly didn’t give an eff about how good the offensive line was when he was our coordinator.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure Jay Cutler danced a jig on the playbook
When Martz announced his retirement. That old moron never met a 7 step drop he didn’t like.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
How long before Kaepernick starts?
Had the strongest arm measured at the combine since 07. Threw it at 59 MPH lemme find the link…
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hopefuly next year!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Seven years ...!!
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arm strength
is like the 19th most important trait for a QB. I think Jim Druckenmiller had the best arm ever. At least Kaep is a good athlete too.
It helps
Also its sexy and when pressure comes and you just have to arm it having that arm strength is beneficial.
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Think Jeff Goerge , Kyle Boller , Jamarcus Russel & many others ...!!
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Jeff did alright actually…@ the end of his career
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Its a sexy stat
like the 40 time. He also has a decent coach and doesn’t have the work issues like Russel
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Sexy and Football should never be stated in the same sentence , unless your a woman ...!!
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Sure it can
numbers can be sexy too…
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Just Two #'s ...!!
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7?
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none of those have a 7 in it
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Garcia's wife?
"I put him up against any of the receivers in the league. I can attest to just how hard this man works every single day, and the people of San Francisco really need to appreciate that."
---Kyle Williams
arm strength
is like the 19th most important trait for a QB. I think Jim Druckenmiller had the best arm ever. At least Kaep is athletic too.
I'd be more worried if I was Kaep , holding onto the # Two spot from Tolzien ...!!
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What evidence shows that Tolzien will take it?
What his game against 3rd stringers and players who never will play in a regular season game?
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More of a slap to you in the same thought process with Kaep and AleX ...!!
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Him being a 2nd round pick is evidence that he will start sooner or later or given an opportunity to start
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Nope , that is so wrong , please don't make me look up all the bust in rounds One and Two ...!!
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They are given an opportunity to start
or allowed to compete for a spot. If you can find one that didn’t then I will concede.
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I don't care if you concede or not , simply being pick in the second guarntees you nothing ...!!
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It guarantees you a shot
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I mean I'm sure you can bring up Rodgers
but kaepernick isn’t following a HOF…
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Ok here's the deal ...
… IMO they really wanted Dalton & thought he would be there , but once the Qb’s started flying off the board , they settled for the second or third best choice , which was Kaep , I mean think about it , they had no Qb on the roster at the time , being picked in the second round guarnantees squat …!!
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Really?
there are a bunch of QBs in FA why waste a pick on a player you don’t want…
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Not saying they didn't , he was picked more on Atheltic ability then Qb NFL ready
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So , what choice did they have ...!!
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And I'm talking about having the opportunity to compete for the starting job
I mean whats the worst thing that can happen? Him losing and becoming the 2nd string QB?
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He goes to compete , but Tolzien will beat him out for the Second spot ...!!
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lol
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Ok last point , F/Agency was not happening when the draft happened , now back too my little green men ...!!
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I was watching spartacus but the stupid stream on stars sucks...
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I don’t understand how you put people down who say anything negative about Alex and then you pile the hate on Kaepernick, especially when your argument has no substance.
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Dang you made me do it ...!!
Art Schlichter (1982)
Jeff George (1990)
Andre Ware (1990)
Dan McGwire (1991)
Todd Marinovich (1991)
Tommy Maddox (1992)
Rick Mirer (1993)
Jim Druckenmiller (1997)
Ryan Leaf (1998)
Tim Couch (1999)
Cade McNown (1999)
Joey Harrington (2002)
J.P. Losman (2004)
Vince Young (2006)
Matt Leinart (2006) i
JaMarcus Russell (2007)
David Klinger (1992)
Tim Couch (1999)
David Carr (2002)
Joey Harrington (2002) …!!
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now take out the ones that started...
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I know
Carr, Couch, Russel, Leinart, Young, Leaf, Drunkenmiller all started and thats just off the top of my head.
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Nope , i do not care to continue this , Ancient Aleins is on ... Caio ...!!
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Really , you can't learn from the past , you have to remember to forget ...!!
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any1 think we have an open competition
@ QB between Alex & Kaep…next season of course
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Does Kaep deserve it?
Smith isn’t going to want to come back unless he’s assured the starting job next year. His agent would advise him to go elsewhere if he has to compete, but I don’t think he’ll have to.
Absolutely , Harbaugh has stated such ...!!
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Yes that is how he runs the show
Nothing given, everything earned. The best play.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
after this year?
why would Smith want to come back then? This season and he still has to earn it away from a 2nd year scrub?
Continuity...
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Gotta put on our big boy pants
We want winners, not avoiders of challenge.
When it comes to skill Alex isn’t a winner yet. When it comes to heart and competitiveness, he’s a winner, and he’ll be back even if he has to compete with 5 guys for the job.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
that is contingent on other offers which are probably slim
I don’t think anyone thinks all that highly of Smith outside the Niners, but if Smith is going to (he probably will) command $8-10 million per for a few seasons, why would the Niners pay that to a possible backup?
People are reading into Harbaugh’s post game comments about competition way to seriously when it comes to the QB position.
we did draft Kaep in the 2nd round
…but then, GB kept Aaron waiting for 3 years before handing the reigns over…there could be something to this waiting game for letting a QB to watch and learn before going bananas crazy good
by Doni S on Jan 24, 2012 2:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Brett Favre means there is no QB competition
Anyone going to say the same for Alex Smith?
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Favre quit and then came back last minute
and obviously, our backup is not Aaron Rodgers. McCarthy knew Rodgers was ready and capable, or esle he lets Favre back.
Rodgers is good
because…well, hes good. His career path, team accomplishments would have changed if he was drafted elsewhere etc., but lets not pretend that simply “waiting” is the key to making any mediocre prospect good/excellent.
Smith would have gotten to this point much sooner with a different franchise, but his ceiling would have been pretty much the same.
I don't think it will be that much
And I think there will be incentives and easy outs.
Quite frankly there is no market that is going to emerge for Alex. We will make him an offer that is not insulting and he will graciously accept it and talk about how it’s great that after all he’s been through somebody believed enough in him to bring him back when they could have cut bait like new coaching staffs usually do.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I hope so
but I also hope that includes Scott Tolzien
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Resign are guys on defense and Morgan & Smith on offense. Add Tolbert and Nicks. Use the draft to re build the rest of the offense.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 PM PST reply actions
If the Texans are going to let Mario Williams walk
They should do everything they can to sign him outside of the guys that have expiring contracts this year (Rodgers, Goldson, Alex…) Having Mario Williams opposite of Aldon Smith next season could turn this defense into the Ravens Elite Defense.
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Use the draft to get a WR that can stretch the field and is a legit number 1
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
There is not going to an AJ Green at whatever 20+ position we will be drafting
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Im not looking for an AJ Green
just somebody who has enough speed and is big enough to haul in a ball in the Red Zone
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Of course every team is looking for that type of receiver
The draft is a crapshoot especially when it comes to receivers.
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Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
It seems like most drafts there is a sure thing or two at WR
unfortunately not the year we drafted Crabtree. However, at no time do these WR make it out of the low teens.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
You can find them
all the way into the 4th round.
Speed, height, hands, consistency.
Pick two.
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Height and Hands
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texans can not franchise williams without cutting a few big contracts
they would lose 3-4 good players to keep him
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 AM PST up reply actions
they have no cap room franchise him; that is a fact.
williams numbers have also been declining and he has had injuries the last two years. that being said if he does not require that much in guaranteed money he could be a great free agent pick up. But I think I would rather have the niners sign calais campbell
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
Trying to be philosophical and patient...
and it seems to me that the Niners are bit like the Steelers (my most hated team, by the way) of the early 90s—built around defense but missing that something at the offensive skill positions to win championships.
Bill Cowher and Harbaugh are a lot alike, too: each were under-appreciated guys that had to work extra-hard to prove themselves as players. “It’s a Midwest thing” as coach said yesterday.
If you go have a click around pro-football-reference.com, you see that the Steelers were so solid for so many years, but it really took Big Ben and Bettis to put it all together. Their Super Bowl win over Seattle came after the 2005 season, after Cowher had them in the playoffs nearly all the time, and had been to FIVE (talk about painful) championship games and just one Super Bowl (loss to the Cowboys).
In that time they were shuffling journeyman and flash-in-the pand QBs; if they nailed it sooner they really might have won another few Super Bowl rings.
I think we need to (almost have to) re-sign Alex, but I would also pursue a top free agent to back him up (Jason Campbell). Competition at that postion is important and let’s face it, we had zero cover this year if Alex got hurt, and getting that position right leads to rings and dynasties. Look, I doubt it will happen given the history and timing. I’m just saying that if Alex turns out to “not” be the guy, we may spin our wheels for years and waste one of the best defenses in the league.
And, while I agree we need to upgrade at wideout, I’d prefer we do that through committee and veterans like this year. There’s a lot of solid guys out there. What I really want is more dynamism and options at running back. We are who we are, and that’s a running team. Gore needs back-up and cover. Get Tolbert or Forte or some guy that can bring a real change-up as well as catch the ball.
If we had stuck to our offensive identity and had another quality running weapon beside Frank we very well may have been playing in Indy…
"We want to win with numbing repetition." -- Jim Harbaugh
by four-nine heavy on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM PST reply actions
Matt Forte
Is not a backup to Frank Gore. Gore would be backing up Forte and that would cost way too much. We have a good back in Hunter and he isn’t getting enough playing time. Gore is still great IMO, but I would rather draft a RB in 3rd or 4th round than spend so much on Forte. He isn’t going anywhere either I don’t believe.
I think some of these free agents will want to come to the Niners. The Harbaugh effect. Plus being 1 game away from the superbowl the year before, a game the could have, should have won.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2012 2:33 PM PST reply actions
Larry Grant - (Re-sign: discount or release)
There was a lot of talk about Grant and how well he played in place of Willis……Grant could bring the 49ers some good options come draft day in a trade……at the worst, he is a stud back-up.
This guy Gregg Cosell (spelling?) who claims Alex WILL NOT throw in tight window
and all the other teams KNOW this.
If this is the truth… does anyone thing this distrubs Harbaugh?
And Alex wont or cant throw in tight window frames…Why?
So are you saying Alex....
has the arm zip & accuracy to throw in tight windows but mentally he is scared to do it because if int occurs, Harbaugh bench him?
I would think if Harbaugh and the coaches see on film the throw should have been attempted, and Alex did not do it, he would be benched.
You can’t play scared.
I'm not saying anything except AS started all this year because he didn't commit turnovers
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
double his TOs and he ends the season with a clipboard instead of spitting distance of the Halas Trophy (or football shaped wire hanger, whatever it is now)
Cosell is biased
there is definitely some truth, but it is merely piling on. Alex plays it safe. If you want to see someone throw into some tight windows, look up Brett Favre. One of the most talented players ever in the NFL and his behavior prevented his team from becoming a dynasty.
alex has been this way his entire career
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
Teddy Ginn- priority # 1
who knew that our superbowl ticket hinged on him? Liability as a WR but clearly so important to special teams. resign asap please.
by sf49ersgirl on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
yes
one of the best in the business. I think his ball security and ability to get yardage was sorely missed Sunday
& I believe
he would have been smart enough to NOT go anywhere near the ball after waving for a fair catch; you might say that I’m still fairly ticked about that…
you have a right to be
Ginn is a very aware returner. He would have been a mile away from three of those punts.
sad truth!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
If ? you ask me folks , niners need to get bigger stronger and taller wide outs and go to a more traditional W.C.O offense. I mean short passes and let the receivers get Y.A.C yards. Short passes seem to bet Alex’s strength, and if his passes are a little high, off target let the wideouts make the plays.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM PST reply actions
well now; this is the draft to do that
many wideouts 6’3 and taller in this draft
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
My thoughts
1. Goldson signs extension or is franchise tagged, for sure. He’s only getting better.
1b. Smith and Rogers signed to extensions
2. Sign either Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe (preferably V-Jax, but not if he’s too expensive).
3.Morgan signed to contract, for sure.
4. Ted Ginn also. He’s huge.
5. Draft an extra pass rusher. Always need more, look at the Giants.
6 Carl Nicks, if cap room available. Highly doubt it though.
No need for a new runningback. A tandem of Gore and Hunter is deadly, and wasting money in Peyton Hillis is definetely not in the Niners best interest.
I think we *have* to sign a WR..
I don’t mean this as an insult to Alex Smith (I would like to resign him), but I wonder if he would detract a little from some of the big names out there.
Another badass TE
Would really help this team. I think that we can be okay with the receiving corps that we have now with Coby Fleener at TE. Honestly that is where I would spend my first round pick before a WR. He already knows the system and could quickly transition into the NFL game. Try and pick up a true #1 receiver like D-Bowe in free agency. Then resign Morgan and keep Crabtree for the number 2 and 3 receivers. Williams / Ginn can alternate in the slot. Then you have a sick TE squad with size and speed as well as a premium receiving corps. My only issue is that neither Crabtree or Bowe really have the speed to take the top off the defense. Ginn and Williams both have that and I really think that Williams will improve. I really like what I see from him and think that he has good hands as a WR. I don’t want to see him returning kicks ever again though. If Alex can’t throw it with a receiving corps like this than give Kaepernick a chance.
fred davis is going to be a restricted free agent
and maybe the redskins won’t want to pay too much money for him since he tested positive for sterioids twice(i believe). I do respectfully disagree that we should go TE over a WR, we have no #1 WR but we have a stud top 5 TE
How do you guys feel about Reggie wayne?
maybe we could get him relatively cheap. Also would you rather get one stud reciever ( Bowe or v jackson) or multiple solid recievers like manningham, meachem, garcon, or stevie johnson(arguably a #1)?
He's the new Isaac Bruce
He’s in decline and doesn’t have a 1000 yard season ahead of him without a great QB.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 25, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions

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