49ers 2012 Offseason Needs: Let The Debate Begin
by David Fucillo on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 AM PST
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PrintThe offseason is upon us, which means it is time to assess where the team can stand to improve and where they can stand pat as they look to build on 2011. The 49ers came a few bounces away from the Super Bowl, and while that is a huge step forward, there are areas to improve to make sure the team gets to and wins Lombardi Trophy number six.
I am using this week to start structuring the offseason as far as what we will be covering leading up to free agency and the draft. While I have my own ideas of the teams needs and the other writers do as well, I wanted to get your feedback before we get going. The front page staff will have posts on various positions of importance, but I am curious what everybody thinks are the most important positions to address.
Over the last two years we've used a poll designed by Chris Pokorny of Dawgs By Nature. I'm bringing it back again in 2012 and we're going to start by using it to vote on what positions you think need to be addressed in 2012. The options read a little funny, but if you read them closely you can figure out what you are voting for on the poll. The poll is after the jump and what I need you to do is rank what you think are the top five positions. We'll have a new poll after a day or two of this one to further generate the ranked list.
I did not include positions like kicker, punter and fullback since those would seem to be positions the 49ers will not address in free agency or the draft. Also, the poll mentions the draft, but it's more just meant in general heading into the offseason, so just vote accordingly. Finally, please just vote once.
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When will the ig board be formulated?
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We’ll work on that in the coming weeks. Planning the schedule for that.
by David Fucillo on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I had to vote QB number 1.
It is obvious that is our offense that is holding our team back from being the best team in the NFL. We have the talent on the offensive side to put up points we just can’t do it. We have a good TE tandem in Walker and Davis. A decent WR that doesn’t have to face the safety much because one is in the box and the other is on VD or Walker. Add those weapons with an above average run game and we have everything a QB could possibly need. Honestly someone to pull the trigger is all that the Niners need.
Rest
1. QB
2. CB
3. WR
4. S
5. N/A
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Actually 5 was a NT
mostly because I think Soap isn’t that great of a pass rusher. But honestly I’m really happy with him.
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I don’t think pass rushing is his job. In a 3-4, isn’t his job to clog lane and allow the other guys to make plays?
Yup
He’s not part of our nickel package either.
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I personally think he's better than Aubrayo
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Well it'll help do his job if teams were forced to double him on passing downs.
Imagine having to mess with Aldon Justin and a NT that can get after the QB.
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by manraj7 on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
sometimes teams throw on 1st and 2nd down
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But I agree its not that big of a deal
Just needed to pick a 5th
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Like I said
He’s not in our nickel package. I believe we go with Aldon, Justin, McDonald, and Brooks.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Mcdonald
is beast. Who did he replace because I don’t remember him from last year? I know Sopoaga replaced A.Franklin
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Soap was the LDE last year
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
And Soap replaced Aubrayo yes
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
ok thanks
Definitely upgraded on all fronts
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I understand where you're coming from
On 1st and 2nd down passes, Sopoaga has basically one guy to beat to the quarterback, since the guards are usually worried about Smith and McDonald. So, he has the opportunities. If he was a little better of a pass rusher, he could do some damage.
that being said, the team has a lot of young talent at DL they can develop. I imagine RJF, Tukuafu, Dobbs, or someone else will step up and take that job next season or the one after that.
Sopoaga...
is going nowhere… he is a great NG… why do u think ppl cant run the ball on us… he is a big reason for that… no one on this roster has the ability to take his job… strong as an ox… he will play out his contract as the starting NG and maybe then some.
RJF might be able to hold down NT if Sopoaga is hurt a few games but he is a bad DE. The dropoff from McDonald and Smith at DE is incredible. I dont know what makes people think Dobbs is good… he barely sees the field … Williams never sees the field …. Tukuafu never sees the field
Soap is definitely a great run defender
And he definitely deserves to be on the field. I’m just saying that he’s not an elite pass rusing NT, and that the team should be trying to develop an elite all around NT behind him. Dobbs, WIlliams, Tukuafu, and RLF are all good prospects at this point in their career, nothing more.
I think...
Ian Williams was a steal last year as a UDFA. And Demarcus Dobbs was also a great find. Defensive Line is one of the areas I’m least concerned about at the moment. If anything, I think the Niners could stand to draft a defensive end high in next year’s draft.
suggestions?
I think we have a QB on the roster that has tremendous upside and is quite talented. He may not be ready by 2012 to lead us to the SB, but I think he could be our answer. If Alex does not continue to progress this season, he can leave and we can evaluate Tolzien to see if he can be a #2
by mcwagner on Jan 25, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya the good QB prospects will be gone by the time it is our turn to draft and its not worth shelling out 3 first round picks for them.
Just bugs me that we are so close to having a great team but can’t because our offense doesn’t want to put up points.
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2/3 of the league feels the same way
patience. If a gem falls to us we always take it instead of being complacent, but not to reach. I hear ya.
Niners
were 11th in pts scored, and 4th in pt differential…..not abysmal by any stretch of imagination.
The Niners were 12th(1.93) in points/drive in 2011, a full point away from 1st(GB at 3.05). But getting up to top 5 isn’t really that far(Car at 2.26).
Having the #1 defense in pts/drive(1.19) and a little bit of improvement next year on the offense will make this a great team. I have faith that Harbaugh and his staff can work their magic with a full offseason and a few tweaks to the team. Everyone calling for Smith’s head are having pipe dreams.
[insert ancient aliens guy meme]
(Caption: Special Teams)
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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[insert ancient aliens guy name]
Caption: Drew Brees to the Niners
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
That doesn't make sense...
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Drew Brees to the Niners!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've never seen that gif
That makes a lot more sense. I like his yes it is face.
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This is how it looks like
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Yea
Thinking of slightly different pictures, or I guess I was thinking of a moving picture lol
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Ya I saw your gif
its all good
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imo
Doesn’t make much sense drafting a QB in the 1st and 2nd round unless we’re trading up for Luck or something. What late-1st round QB/2nd round are there to be had who would be in better position to start than Kaep or Tolzein who’ve had a year in the NFL?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
RG3 with a Atlanta type trade
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
there has been reports that the Browns are going to trade up to get RG3,
with a mini Atlanta type trade that came from the original Atlanta type trade :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
ha!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
This is my nightmare scenario with St. Louis
They trade #2 to get both the Browns picks… Then trade the Browns #5 to the Bengals to get both of their picks
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Well the Browns are sitting at the #4 right now,
and they could easily sit and hope RG3 falls to them. The only team I could imagine taking him would be the Vikings. I know they just took Ponder early….. but he hasn’t done much to convince anyone he’s the franchise QB. Do they take RG3 if he is there? I don’t think the Rams take RG3…. but then again maybe Fisher wants a dual threat QB similar to what he had in McNair.
Then trade the Browns #5 to the Bengals to get both of their picks
Why would the Bengals want the #5 pick?
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I would consider Ponder a mistake and take RG 3 if I am them
If I’m the Browns I move hard and fast to snatch RG3 before the Vikings can get him.
These are the Rams options and they are all fantastic.
1. Take Matt Kalil and have an All-Pro caliber LT to guard Bradford
2. Take RG3 and use Bradford as meat while you tank another season and then start building around your future QB who needs grooming in Reggie
3. Trade away the #2 pick to the Browns, let the Vikings take Kalil and take Blackmon or trade even futher down to the Bengals then trade back up
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Even though Ponder may be a mistake.
I think the Vikings will go at least one more season with him a the helm. They took him too high to just give up on him.
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Guys with the tools, intelligence and attitude of RG 3 come along once in a generation.
You don’t pass on him even if you did waste a pick on Christian Ponder
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Hell, let Ponder stand in there and get beat up, he's worthless anyways.
Let him get you another top 5 pick since he sucks and AP should be rested. Then let RG 3 take over next year or the year after.
He is going to need to be developed before playing in the NFL. He’s not the most NFL ready but his ceiling is ridiculous.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
So something like Kaepernick
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He is much better than Kaepernick
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
His physical skills exceed Kaep... At least as far as his feet go. He could potentially run a 4.2something
His arm isn’t quite as big, though he is probably a little more accurate and he is probably not as tough or resilient. Hard to judge how they’ll stack up in the long run at this point.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
Both are intelligent and no off the field problems.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Better throwing motion too.
Definitely doesn’t have the arm strength, is far more accurate in my opinion.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Agreed
The accuracy thing I think Harbaugh can help. Both guys coming out of college though, RG3 is the much more accurate
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Has the arm strength required to make all the throws.
Probably the best athlete in the draft. Far more polished passer than Michael Vick. Extremely intelligent guy, 6’2" (Vick is 6’0" by comparison), and has unlimited upside imo. Definitely would be the first overall pick if I was the GM of the Colts. Luck throws more checkdowns than Bradford does in the NFL, and that’s behind one of the best offensive lines in the history of college football!
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
I couldn't have said it better myself
i’d take RG 3 1 overall if I couldn’t trade down to 2 for an extra pick and take him there while everybody else goes crazy over Luck
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think Luck will be a good, solid QB in the NFL
But talk about him being as good as Peyton is unbelievable. Most QBs would have 70% accuracy in college if the large majority of their throws were checkdowns, with unlimited time in the pocket.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Which is why I'm so high on Barkley.
After Marquis Lee came on after the ASU game, like 1 in every 5 of Barkley’s throws are 30 yards down field and he’s connecting on like 2/3rds of them. Its like Kiffen is running the Stabler Raider’s playbook and Barkley is playing lights out. Had he not completely taken his foot off the gas they’d have run Oregon off the field.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
He's going to have a hell of a culture shock going from playing behind the best line
and one of the best running games against mostly mediocre defensive competition… To playing behind a non-existant Oline with no running game against 2 levels up of competition. He better have Alex’s internal fortitude or he could completely meltdown Ryan Leaf style.
He comes off as very cocky to me and I think he’s gonna have 1 hell of a reality check
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
With a great running game too.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
attitude?
Every report about RG3 says that he hates the NFL and how it is set up.
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Um what?
What the hell are you talking about. Link 1 thing that says that. 1.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
I think he means, RG3 was considering not declaring for the NFL
and going to law school. He definitely has no off field problems – he’s an extremely intelligent guy.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
I read it a while back
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I think maybe he might have been talking about the business angle or the way the draft works
The way you have it written is completely out of character for him. He was a future Olympian in the 400 who quit track and field because his dream was to play in the NFL. And it just doesn’t sound like him. But as teekay said he might have meant in the business or legal contract sense. He is very intelligent. Harbaugh was trying to get him at Stanford. he had his choice of schools.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ya it was the business angle
It went along the lines (off memory) that he dislikes how the NFL is set up. Something like Adrian Foster. If you follow him on twitter he dislikes how the NFL is set up.
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Tough to use Bradford as "meat"
cuz he’s a very expensive Kobe cut…….
Do you realize how much guaranteed money St. Lo has tied up in Bradford. It’s going to be almost impossible to move him.
by TotallyBodaciousDude on Jan 25, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
RG3 might take 2 years of grooming.
Let him learn behind Bradford who is a prototypical pocket passer. The #2 pick is cheap under the new CBA. The guy isn’t earning 50 Million anymore. Cam Newton got a 4 year 22 million deal.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
It's actually the #4 pick now
Who wouldn’t want Justin Blackmon or Matt Kalil?
Both those players fit perfectly for the Bungles.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
St. Louey will take Blackmon
plus the picks they get. it’s a good year to have sucked donkey site decorum!
I hear what you are saying about needing a QB who can pull the trigger...
But honestly, I think Alex plays the position the way that Harbaugh wants him to. Conservative football, don’t take chances, don’t turn the ball over. I see us signing Alex to a 2-3 year contract with the expectation that he improves within Harbaugh’s system. Plus, that gives us time to see what Kaepernick is capable of. Will he be the QB of the future? I don’t know. But we haven’t seen anything yet to suggest that he isn’t.
In general, I agree with your list. WR, CB, S are all positions to upgrade especially depending on what happens in free agency. I think we all realize that we were VERY thin at wide receiver this year and Crabs is looking more and more like a #2 receiver. On the defensive side of the ball, you can always use more DBs.
Also, I wouldn’t mind finding a versatile offensive lineman who can shore up the o-line. Seemed to me that every time that Chilo Rachal came in to spell someone that our offensive production and QB protection dropped off considerably.
Also, I wouldn’t mind finding a versatile offensive lineman who can shore up the o-line. Seemed to me that every time that Chilo Rachal came in to spell someone that our offensive production and QB protection dropped off considerably.
What about Kilgore? IIRC, there was quite a bit of optimism about him when we picked him up.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
There are a lot of things to like about Kilgore...
I remember watching him in pre-season and thinking that the kid loves contact and plays with a nasty edge. How that translates to the regular season, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to Harbaugh and Baalke to figure out. But if they don’t think Kilgore is ready next year, I hope it’s an issue that they address. I don’t think I can handle another year of Chilo.
unless he's blocking for gore....
then we might have a problem : /
by t p on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm
Looks like kilgore is gonna ride the bench til Gore breaks
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
at least it's not Kilsmith :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Rachal will not be back...
If Kilgore can’t at least fill in as the back up Guard, another veteran FA will be brought in who’s similar to Snyder.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
WalterFootball has us taking Cordy Glenn from Georgia now
He’s catapulted up boards. Honestly I haven’t paid much attention to him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
no he wont
Snyder will be back waaayy before Rachal…. i know ppl like Kilgore but if we shelled out for nicks (saints wont be able to resign him) we would have a G we can run behind on Goaline and score 8 of 10 times from the 2…… that would be amazing for us
There's a lot of optimism in the offseason when you've been abyssmal for 10 years...
We are coming of a conference championship, so it’s time to re-evaluate all the talent you have and not be overly optomistic just because you drafted the guy and he has “upside.”
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Luck plays the way Harbaugh wants it to
and the Stanford offense still puts up points. Its possible to have an offense that doesn’t turn the ball over and still put points on the board.
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by manraj7 on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ain't that the truth!
sure, we’re not likely to see 10 TO’s again, but the throws NEED to be made. i am totally cool with doubling the TO number if it means doubling the TD number.
I don't disagree...
But I think Alex has more than earned the right to see what he can do in a second year of the same offensive system. I hope in the next year or two that Alex proves me right. But if not, I’d be ready to look at other options inside or outside the organization.
You are way oversimplifying here
The Stanford offense is a run based attack behind the best O-Line in college football. Luck throws checkdowns against college defenses.
smh
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Stanford offense puts up points against college defenses.
And they run even more then 49rs. That did cost Luck a Heismann.
Harbaugh/Roman never had great WR's at Stanford either
Although Baldwin obviously had a very nice year with Seattle this year.
Does the offense (both at Stanford and this year) not rely heavily on the WR because they’ve never had great talent at that position or is it the actual nature of their offensive philosophy?
Any thoughts?
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
They play with the type of guys they can recruit
Stanford will never get the burner type guys that USC gets.
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Baldwin > Any of our WRs
Which means Luck did have a good WR in his Sophmore year (his best one)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Thinking that we could have drafted him in the 5th.
Where is that guy, what was his name?
Damn, he would have been handy to have for the last few weeks…
The teams with the 3 monster stat QBs
Rodgers – sitting at home because of mistakes
Brees – sitting at home because of mistakes
Brady – SHOULD be sitting at home because of mistakes.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Love the Brady part
Freaking Kickers
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
niner defense is better than all 3.....by a mile
i don’t care about elite QBs. what about 3 consecutive 3 and outs in the biggest game of the year? what about stalling on a 17 point lead? I’ll give the Giant defense their due- they played a solid game. but i can’t completely give it to their defense when i feel like we never really tested their corners.
by t p on Jan 25, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Giants D now that it is healthy is the 2nd or 3rd best in the league
Their front 4 is the leagues best (our Nickle 4 is the 2nd)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
You think Amukamara wouldn't replace Tremaine Brock?
Amukamara never even saw the field. Their corners were banged up all year till the last 2 or 3 weeks. You are underselling their D
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
fine...
i’d still test their corners. you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
leading a team to the championship is a big achievement. it means your good enough to put on your big boy pants and attack the best defenses in the league.
a warrior never looks at the opposition and says “wow, they’re really awesome- i think I’ll just play it safe”
That's the way our coaching wants it
And barring Kyle Williams and his 2 fumbles and 1 muffed punt… It would have worked
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
manraj has something to say about that....
0fer on third down is pretty damning. convert a couple of those, and there is no OT fumble.
And it still would have worked.
But WR performance was atrocious.
Those 0-fers can also be linked to bad play calling and good defense
How many of those 3rd downs were 3rd and 10 or longer? Against the Giants d that’s asking to get in trouble. Their LBs did a great job of covering VD and tipped away the crossing passes that killed NO. Their interior line did a fantastic job of tripping up Alex when he took off to run on 3rd and 6 or 7.
We should have ran designed Alex runs more on 1st and 10 to make 3rd downs more manageable. But we didn’t and we did pathetic on getting potentially convertable 3rd downs and the Giants were able to turn their pass rush loose.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I count 15 3rd down plays
1-3rd and 1…Dixon stuffed for 0 yds
1-3rd and 2…Giants called for 5 yd penalty..1st down
1-3rd and 4…Inc pass
2-3rd and 5…Smith pushed out of pocket for 4 yd run….Smith to Crabs for a 3 yd pass
2-3rd and 6…Inc Pass…Smith to Gore screen pass for 4 yds
1-3rd and 7…Smith sacked
1-3rd and 8…Smith to Walker 29 yd pass 1st down to end regulation time.
1-3rd and 9…Smith 3 yd run
1-3rd and 10…Inc Pass
1-3rd and 12…Smith to Davis 11 yd pass
2-3rd and 14…5 yd Holding penalty, repeat down….Inc Pass
1-3rd and 19…Smith 5 yd run, NYG Penalty automatic 1st down
To Recap-15 3rd down plays
3 ended in 1st downs:2 by penalties, 1 by pass to Walker
1 play ended with a holding penalty on the Niners
1 play was the Dixon stuff
4 ended up in a Incomplete Pass
1 ended up with a Smith sack
2 ended with Smith getting pressured and running for short yardage
3 ended up with completions just short of the 1st down
by Dukeston1 on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I may be out of line here
But this needs to be rec’d, fanposted, pasted on the front page, and put in the sidebar/navigation area. This has been an issue for the past couple of seasons, inconsistencies on 3rd down.
Agreed.
But I think this is more damning of the play calling considering a lot of these were completed.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
So 10 of those were 3rd and long
The 3rd and 9 Smith would have had except for a good play to get him before the second level. The 3rd and 12 VD pass was 1 yard short after threading the needle on a risky pass
The 3rd and 7 was when Alex got sacked by 3 dudes at once.
The 3rd and 6 screen pass to Gore was complete but well defended
The 3rd and 19 was after the 1st Kyle Williams fumble.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
I agree completely
Tough position to put your offense in, especially with such a ferocious pass rush like the Giant’s had.
Comes back to perspective
Is a 0fer(as you call it) on 3rd down all put on 1 player on the offense? On 15 3rd down plays the Niners actually converted 3 1st downs(2 penalties, and 1 pass play). They had 4 inc passes which could conceivably be put on the QB(although pressure on the qb could also play a part, as could a receiver not being open). They had 3 passes completed that were just short of a 1st down(I would put 2 of those on the receiver not knowing where the 1st down mark was and not running the correct route, the other route was a screen). One of the only short yardage 3rd downs, Dixon was stuffed for no yds(hard to pin that one on the QB, although u did with your “damning”). 3 plays ended with Smith being pushed out of the pocket(1 for a sack and 2 for short yardage runs) with some poor OL protection.
Perspective…..there definately were times where Alex Smith could have thrown better balls or thrown quicker to save a sack, but the OL play, and the receivers were also part of the problem as well. Maybe we should replace everyone and start anew? Niners offense part 2?
good work compiling stats.
but i think your over reacting a bit.
the point i’m making is that alex didn’t test the corners. i’ll definitely concede that the defense played really well.
i’m also the first to say that roman gave up on the run. so you’re preaching to the choir, there. even in the saints game, i’d say the run game was WAY under utilized.
the point….the simple point:
Alex Smith must make risky throws, and rely on his arm when he gets into games of this grandeur. There is no defense that is too much for a super bowl QB. He didn’t make those throws…nor attempt those throws in the NFCCG- and is therefore, at home. You can point to Kyle Williams all you want, but the fact remains, we lost by 3. Kyle gave them 10. Alex has to get in on the defensive effort by adding to the offensive effort.
There is no defense that is too much for a super bowl QB.
Dan Marino and SBXIX?
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
did Marino back down?
maybe he was out matched, but he went down swinging!
Our WRs couldn't get open at all!
Why test the corners when they are blanketing the receivers? Had Alex done that and thrown a perfect pass and its still picked off we’d be complaining “There’s the old Alex again. Stupid decision must have gotten scared”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
that's an opinion
and i’m pretty sure crabtree would tell you he was open.
Crabtree is full of it.
He was not. And he dropped several passes in NO game.
Crabtree
is a playmaker.
Alex’s job is to throw him the ball, and leave him to go get it. Nothing in your stats indicate that alex showed faith in his guy to beat the D.
hopefully by a few cheerleaders!
he’s earned a little shag in the grass while the lights are off!
Yeah and when things heat up,
and the cheerleaders ask if “he has protection.” Webster will come running and scream “don’t worry Crabs! I got you covered!”
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Crabtree's job is to get open.
The QB is not supposed to throw to receivers that are blanketed. This is Pop Warner stuff. Throw to the open receiver. If there is no open receiver run or throw it away while continuing to try to find one. If you’re playing a team that dominates your OLine run and don’t fumble.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
we just got beat by Eli Manning
who, 3 years ago, persistently threw to his covered receivers. he didn’t have any pass catching TEs or RBs- just a corps of receivers. he kept throwing. he was knows as a pick machine.
and in the follwing 3 seasons, he was able to throw his guys open. how many times did you hear on 3rd down “excellent Niner coverage, but _ makes the catch. first down, Giants”?
that’s what i’m talkin about. crabtree is just as much a playmaker as nicks or manningham or cruz! and i don’t doubt he’d have more catches and more TD’s on a team that throws to it’s receivers.
Crabtree is not nearly the player Nicks has become
And he isn’t in the same galaxy as Cruz. Though his hands are maybe almost as good as Cruz’s when it comes to routine catches. Considering they both drop the ball constantly on easy catches. The difference is Crabs can’t make any of the difficult grabs Cruz does.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
again...opinion
and i’m sure it would be different if he were playing in a different offense.
Nicks
is a specimen … drops randoms like VD but physically you cant match up with him….also like VD
Cruz is so quick… ask Carlos… Crabtree cant run like cruz… Crabtree is a #2 possession guy …. you cant throw it up to crabtree …. he might stop running if hes covered…
Manningham is a #3 beside really good WR’s ….
Crabs will demand money for his next contract and we will let him walk… his value in his head is way bigger than in reality
throwing to the marker
is 2 things….timing and a well- run route.
it’s up to the coaches to determine wether alex threw the ball too late, or that the receiver ran a bad route.
is it irrefutable that the pass catchers ran the routes short of the marker, or that the QB made the pass at a time where the receiver either, came back to the ball after being open, or were thrown the ball without enough time to gain the distance?
And dixon....
please don’t jump to conclusions. i’m clearly on record as an anti-dixonite… in my eyes, he’s as good as gone, as he simply is not capable of being what he is…a big back. he plays small, and puts the coaching staff in a tough place because he can not do what he was drafted to do.
Well this should provide further proof that your opinion of Alex is wrong too then
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
My opinion is Drew Brees is horrible
And Cat Poop tastes better than chocolate ice cream. It’s my opinion. But its still wrong.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Aside from math it's hard to prove things right beyond a shadow of a doubt
A lot easier to prove them wrong.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
cool...but what is wrong about my opinion of alex?
am i wrong to think he needs to throw to his receivers early and often next season?
am i wrong to think that he needs to get comfy with someone not named vernon?
maybe I am. but i want a niner super bowl…not a 13-3 regular season record.
Your opinion of Dixon is wrong
He is absolutely capable of being a big back. He wasn’t drafted to be a back that just slams into the line. He was drafted to be big and shifty (Like Gerhart) which he absolutely can do. Tuck grabbing his foot and tripping him up was the only thing keeping him from taking it to the end zone last Sunday. He has great vision and he proved it multiple times in college and in the pre-season at the NFL level. He was never drafted to be Mike Alstott cause he’s never played that way.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
if preseason and college numbers can refute an opinion
then i’m fine with where i stand.
frankly, i don’t like that he has a rather high center of gravity for a 250 lb running back.
let’s just wait and see on dixon.
He's more Toby Gerhart/Natrone Means than John Riggins/Larry Czonca
and I’m fine with that
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
The first third down we converted against the giants was the last play of regulation.
Reason why we are talking about the draft instead of the superbowl.
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by manraj7 on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
3 3rd downs converted
2 were by penalties, 1 by the Walker completion.
All day the 3rd downs were 3rd and longs….only 3 times did the Niners get into a 3rd and short(4 or less yards) situation. Those 3 ended up in the Dixon stuff, an incomplete pass, and 1 of the penalty 1st downs. Hard to do much when you are always backing yourself up into a difficult position.
Also 3 of the 3rd down plays were completions short of the 1st down mark. If you need a 12 yard play for a 1st down and the receiver runs an 11 yd route….how is that put on the QB? Hard to pin all of the 3rd down problems on Alex Smith.
And nobody is talking about
the giants going 7-21 on third down because they won total first downs SF 15 NY 20. The Giants had like 33 more offensive snaps than us 10 minutes more TOP and 2 more turnovers yeah the 3rd downs hurt but ultimately the fumbles cost the game.
It wasn't just third downs
It was the complete inability to move the ball. 3rd and long sucks, but that typically means you blew it on 1st and 2nd down.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 26, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
penalties don't count
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says me
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They should
If a wr draws a penalty on a db, that should count. If a qb draws a dl offsides, that should count. If a qb runs for a first down of 4 yards but the penalty will give u 5 yards, you take the penalty, and the offense doesn’t get any of the stat benefit…seems silly to me.
Eli Too Should be Sitting at Home
He threw two terrible balls that should have been intercepted except Goldson KO’s Brown and disrupted Rogers pick.
none of those teams have a D like ours or a run game like ours
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You are wrong
The Giants have a better run game and a nearly as good defense.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants were DEAD LAST
in the run game this season. DEAD LAST.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
LOL LOLOLOLOLOLOOL
Their run game at the end of the season (WHEN IT WAS HEALTHY) Was way better than ours. Bradshaw and Jacobs were both injured throughout the year
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
so was Gore
And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser
http://freekraut.com
Yup and Gore never got better
They did.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Moral of the story
Stats don’t always tell the whole story. Look at how they’ve ran the ball in the playoffs when they’re healthy for the truth.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
"as nearly as good defense"
they have a defense line that’s arguably as good as the 49ers. Their defensive backs and linebackers are complete jokes, though. Not a single elite player among them.
I don’t understand team that draft defense by always picking up d-line prospects (I’m looking at you, Lions and Giants). Their coaches know they can’t have 6 pass rushers on the field every play, right?
the only guy in our secondary that can cover is Rodgers
Corners – Aaron Ross and Corey Webster are both better than Terrell Brown and they have way more depth at corner.
Safeties – Rolle is better than Goldson no matter what the stats say about Ints and Whitner is better than Phillips
Linebacker we blow them away but their front 4 is better than ours.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Um Nickle
So yes we do.
Smith, Smith, McDonald and Brooks
Umenyora, Canty, Bernard, Tuck/JPP
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
They were like 20th or something
in the league stopping the run lol
The 49ers generated many more sacks this year
Granted, the giants were injured all season, so I think pass rush is a wash between these two teams. The 49ers were much, much better against the run though.
Run stuffing is our linebackers
Which I have noted are much better. We have 2 All-Pro MLBs
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
And another guy with Pro Bowl talent IMO
riding the bench in Larry Grant.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
welcome to the grant fanclub
I’ll teach you the secret handshake later.
Been here since I found out we got him back.
Been stoked that we got him back since his first game replacing Willis. Was super impressed when I found out he was SF local who was NPotY at SF Community College
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Our linebackers stuffed the run
because the guys up front ate up blockers
wait sorry I'm mistaken
the giants ended the season with 48 sacks, the niners had 42.
Aaron Ross is mediocre at best
Advanced NFL Stats has him as the 33rd best CB in the game, tied with Devin McCourty. They have Brown as the 19th best, just about tied with Brandon Flowers.
I don’t understand why people hate Brown. Sure, he has his share of mental lapses, but he was on his game the last half of the season. Dude ran stride for stride with Colston on a go route, and beat him to a jump ball. There are like 5 CBs in the game who can do that.
Link to the NFL advanced stats so I can see what they are judging on.
As for Brown, he can play… But as you said – THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON when he was on. He has gotten burned plenty too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
yeah sorry
Players are basically judged by win probability added — basically, they take all the plays any given player was involved in, and the see how much the aggregate of all those plays added to the win probability of their team. So if you give up a 50 yard pass when your team is up 20-0, its not that big of a deal. give up that game winning touchdown in overtime, you get penalized pretty heavily.
Its more normalized than that, however. Its a fun site to mess around with.
Justin Smith led all DEs as well with 28 hits
second place? Darnell Docket with 16. Smith is a beast.
To be fair.
Every snap Aldon is in he’s rushing the QB and its a passing down.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
I kinda wonder about that with
him playing every down I hope he’s got a motor like Smith
do not agree
Brown is better than he gets credit…. Webster and ross are not good
Rolle is not better than Goldson… i dont know why everyone on this site is done with Goldson…. he is our FS of the future
Their secondary is bad… which makes our performance evern more pathetic… Grant is the worst starting safety in the nfl
Goldson is barely league average.
He made 1 great Int all year. Against Brees. And scheme tricked Brees. Goldson just got a great jump.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Taking care of the football does not mean inept performance. It does not mean leave open receivers with nothing to catch.
Plays have been there to be made and Alex is either too conservative, not confident in his arm, or scared to make a mistake.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
VD does
and that allows other people to get into a 1 v 1
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Thats why I like keeping Ginn
he can draw coverage and clearout with speed alone
He has gotten alot better
just of the top of my head look at the ravens game
he's ok, I just think other teams will offer him more than the 9ers
If he’s back that’s fine
Not saying get into a bidding war I just don't want
to lose him personally
I say we fight a bidding war if we need too
Ginn return ability helped our offense get points even when we stalled early.
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Not necessarily a decoy
Ginn can still catch the ball. Throw it deep to Ginn or another quick WR and we have a deep threat while keeping a safety away. I think Wright from Baylor would be a decent option.
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Maybe you don't understand the concept of a zone
and how it can be used to double cover the guy in the middle without leaving other guys 1 on 1.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Is there a BPA option?
I’d like to get a WR, but I think we’d be better served picking one up through FA.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Thinking maybe
What if we start looking towards the future without Justin Smith? Pick up a DE and groom him up? Maybe draft a OLB assuming Brooks leaves?
Could always use more good DBs as well.
Lots of things depend on how we are going to look at FA, imo.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Justin Smith is still playing at a high level.
We also are already grooming his replacement in the event that he does leave. RJF has been on the team for a while and hasn’t played poorly when he had playing time.
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He's been kind've our multi-tool D-Lineman this year.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
But
What’s his primary position? Like what did he play in college. I guess I could look it up
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps
Still not sure if RJF can really replace what Justin Smith has done though.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
No one can do what Justin Smith can do
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by manraj7 on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Point is, not sold on RJF being some stud, solid maybe. Just saying we are going to have to address losing Smith, maybe not this year, but before you know it…
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Ricky JF was excellent in limited time
Not Justin Smith level, but Pretty close to Ray McDonald level. Also, Dobbs is an interesting developmental prospect.
I’d love to find the next Justin Smith too, but he’s probably not there. We do have very good young DL though. Not a huge position of need.
by hammystyle on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Did RJF play NT or DE this year?
I always thought he played NT.
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I think he did a bit of both.
I know he definitely backed up McDonald when he went down with his hammy injury.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
...but he's not Justin Smith
We need to draft someone like J.J. Watt…two of the top defense’s in the league this year had dominating 3-4 ends, us and the Texans, you really need marquee guys there if you’re running the 3-4
"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw
...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
There isn't a JJ Watt in the draft
Let alone late in the first.
by hammystyle on Jan 25, 2012 11:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Michael Brocker and Jared Crick come to mind
Depending on how the combine goes either could go mid first to end of 2nd round. Brockers could be a top 10 pick.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 25, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
RJF likely isn't the replacement, Dobbs is....
He’s on the team for a reason and has Tomsula coaching him which is huge. Let’s face it, Smith was not as good as he is playing right now when he arrived here. Credit that to Tomsula teaching him how to dominate as a 3-4 end as opposed to a 4-3 end.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Why would a WR make the same mistake as Braylon. If there is no new QB, Crabtree walks as soon as he can.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Yeah right, when you are a WR your next contract is based on performance, you can't perform with a poor QB that is missing you while open.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
i agree with this
I love what crab has been doing, off the ball, he’s shown to be a top WR in the run game….i think that kind of effort warrants a little confidence in his natural position…receiver.
there isn’t a receiver in the NFL that doesn’t want the ball thrown his way. if alex can’t get used to throwing the ball to a covered crabtree, they’ll never develop into a tandem. and for that reason alone, crabtree’ll start demanding trade.
nope...
i’m saying that 420+ times this season, crabtree proved that he’s willing to get dirty in this offense. and that effort should warrant some risk taking on his side of the field.
i’m also saying that alex’s next step- the step he needs to take- is to be confident enough to let it rip at times when they’re tied or ahead.
we’ve seen him make the tough throws, and i know he can do it, but it really only seems like he’ll do it if the team is behind.
and it’s a great idea, right? don’t take risk unless there’s nothing to lose? what about taking the risk when you have a cushion? What about taking a 2 score lead into the 4th, and relying on the low risk run game? that’s the next step, and crabtree will want to leave if the team doesn’t take that step.
I agree. look at the Saints the play close
til they get a cushion then they take more risks because of said cushion and that gets them the whole friggin couch
yea...
i like alex smith. i like what he did this year. those stats are actually pretty nice.
but i don’t want my soul ripped from my chest again in a championship game. i need to know that alex smith is ready to reward his playmakers by giving them some chances downfield. i need to know that roman’s deviation from the run game is a good gamble. running the ball is low risk. throwing the ball is high reward.
it’s time we put the reward into the passing game.
Maybe we need somebody besides Morgan who would be at least a #2 WR on any team in the league
Crabs wouldn’t be the #1 on any team in the NFC West except ours with Morgan injured. Crabs might be the #1 in Minnesota or on the Browns
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
this is not a compliment to a crabs
But a withering takedown of the receiving corps of Minnesota and Cleveland.
Also, the Vikings have percy harvin who’s pretty good. Crabs would definitely start for the Browns, the Jags, and possibly the Patriots.
Would not be the #1 on the Pats
Welker is in another galaxy than Crabs when it comes to being a productive WR
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Oh sorry I totally forgot about welker
I’d argue he’d be a number 2, though. I have a vendetta against Deion Branch ever since he burned me in my fantasy league.
He would be #2 on that team. Ochocinco just hasn't caught on there.
But he’d be #4 as far as receiving threats.
Gronk, Welker, Hernandez, Crab (only because Woodhead doesn’t get utilized much)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Alot depends on whether or not we're big-players in free-agency...
Our most pressing need is WR, but the top-line talent will be gone by the time we pick…so I hope we go after Bowe in free-agency and draft a CB or OLB in the first
"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw
...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 10:16 AM PST reply actions
If we got Bowe or Colsten
I’d be a happy camper. I honestly think Alex just needs more targets. We don’t need a new quarterback. A wide receiver corps of Bowe/Colsten, Crabtree, Morgan isn’t too bad
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Boweeeeeeeeeeeeeee
He’s been balling out with sub-par QB play…I think Colston is just a mirage, Bree’s and the Saint’s make him
"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw
...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
+1
read my previous posts of his numbers. Colston is injury prone as well.
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Let's get the D. Bowie band-wagon hoppin'
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
think it's filling up quickly...
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
And since we have sub-par QB play, Bowe is probably the right choice
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Only if he wants to come here
If I was a FA WR from a bad team, I might be more interested in increasing my production rather than signing a long term deal with team wedded to a bad passing QB. Let’s remember every major WR free agent signing as resulted in a decrease in production with Alex Smith at the helm.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 26, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Big Board
Reminds me of Dr.Strangelove
I voted:
1.WR
2.Safety
3.Cornerback
4.OGuard
5. BPA
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM PST reply actions
49ers FO go BPA obviously, but according to this poll went....
1.CB
2.WR
3.OLB/DE
4. S
5. RB
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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I really think we need to make a serious play for Bowe
WR seems to be one of the few positions where you can’t find success in the later picks…better to draft a CB, another OLB, or even the heir-apparent to J. Smith
"Alex Smith has fought through the chaos of SEVEN different O.C.'s...I had trouble with one" -Terry Bradshaw
...and then Singletary opened His Book and it said "thou shalt NOT pass"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I'm all for Dwayne Bowie as my prior posts, but IF that doesn't happen & just for this topic
voted this way….
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 25, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
and as for D-Lineman Ray McDonald showed me something in that Giants game...
He might take it to the next level since 1st year as a starter. Also want to see what Dobbs & Ian Williams can do that’s why didn’t vote for one. But it’s BPA where the 49ers pick I’m all for it.
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Yup this big board idea doesn't make sense this year
It is BPA except for QB, ILB and OT. QB should be on the list but not at the position where we are drafting.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 26, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Voted
1. WR
2. RB
3. Corner
4. OLB
5. DE
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Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
it's all so dependent on the QB
if alex is our QB, defensive positions become more important, as it seems this team is content to play low scoring ball with alex behind center. honestly, who cares who the receivers are….they just need to be able to block.
it’s asking a lot to have three down linemen playing 90+% of snaps all season long. if RJF takes a step this season, it would still be nice to get a proven veteran in to spell the beasts.
definitely need a RB that roman is comfortable using when we have the lead. inexplicable how the niners went away from the run game in the last 2 weeks, when it was gaining 5+ per attempt.
I think it's because the end of that Saints game was fresh in everyones mind
So Roman thought we had to come out passing. As I recall, the Giants WERE stacking the box on sunday, so if we had a good QB, the game plan would have worked.
But I agree. We should not have stopped running the rock. And those stupid shotgun draw plays peeved me to no end.
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
this is what burns me the most about our post season
the jumbo package is a force to be reckoned with. fans/media/players will always wish for more X when you rely on Y, but this team has pounded it’s way through stacked boxes many times over. nothing kills an opponents defense the way a run-based offensive series does.
most of all….Gore deserves to be the bell cow. I can’t think of any other player on the offense that i would prefer to lean on in a game of that magnitude.
wasn't it Suggs who said
“Gotta feed your horse”
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I went
1. WR
2. CB
3. OG
4. S
5. RB
- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = *sigh* Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US??? The ny giants sadly =(
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
...
We Go After D.Bowe, V.Jackson & C.Nicks In Free Agency. We Resign Snyder Cause The Dude Can Play The Whole Oline For Us. Resign Brooks, Goldson, Rodgers If They’re All Reasonable & We Draft A 3-4 D End & Nose Tackle In The First & Second Round. The Rest Of The Draft Picks We Just Fill Up Our Roster Space With Players We Need To Make Our 53 Man Roster
by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 25, 2012 10:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Nicks for sure!
Then one of Bowe or VJax, spend the money on another CB like Tracy Porter, that they can hopefully get a little cheaper once the big names drop. I say let Brooks walk cuase I think he’s going to get big $ from someone since it appears OLB is pretty thin in FA this year. Aldon can slide there and be an every down player. Keep rogers and goldson since safety seems pretty thin in FA and the draft. Then draft some DL depth and rb/wr or cb in the first 2 or 3 rounds. This team would be siiiiick with that roster!!
Probably can't afford any of the above
I’m thinking Stevie Johnson is more affordable. Nicks might be the highest paid guard/center in the league
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
First Priority
Resign some free agents.
First: QB Alex Smith, CB Carlos Rogers, WR Joshua Morgan, OL Adam Snyder, LB Ahmad Brooks.
Second: WR Ted Ginn (For Returns & WR as a backup only), LB Blake Costanzo, DB C.J. Spillman, LB Larry Grant:
Then we need to go for a number one receiver on the free agent market.
I'd move Larry Grant before Costanzo and Spillman
But other than that agree absolutely on this list.
And Ginn was actually a decent WR this year. He dropped a lower percentage of his balls than Gore.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
May get flack for this
But I put goldson on this list
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 12:04 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Franchise Tag...
That’s all that needs to be said.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
No need to string the guy along just sign him
offer the same maybe a little more than last year he will take it.
Why tag anyone
We’ve shown Goldson before he wasn’t worth top 5 money, we’ll likely show him again he isn’t top 5 money. I actually wouldn’t tag any of our free agents. The only players that may not get a deal done before the franchise tag deadline are Ginn and Goldson. I just hope we can bring Ginn back with a decent deal and maybe get better WRs to play the WR position.
nothing wrong with franchising him
and then negotiating a long term deal
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
He's not as good as his stats look
He’s league average and he’s going to want top 5 safety money.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
He's better than league average
because of rule changes, the safety position is really, really difficult now. Goldson might not be very good, but I think he’s a top 15 safety right now.
Id move Ginn to the first tier
our ST gave us our points
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Ginn would have to come at a bargain since he's not a very good WR.
We’ll prolly draft a KR/PR specialist in the later rounds.
Sure we can get a KR/PR in the later rounds
Will they be as good as Ginn? No they will not. Thus our offense will suffer even more.
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I thought he was the best
but I’m a homer
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Pay da man?
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ofc Cribbs!
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Oh
meh I can see your argument for that. But if you want to include offensive productivity Ginn is better than both. Simply because he can do something in the offense.
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Cribbs is great on offense.
Mis-match in every way. Hester is better on offense too.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
They don't do anything on offense
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Josh Cribbs is used a LOT on offense for the Browns
He’s their best playmaker. He had twice as many receptions as Ginn. Hester had more TDs and receptions than Ginn also.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Oh
then I stand corrected.
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Patrick Peterson probably
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
He had 4 PRs for touchdowns.
He was the best in the league by a mile
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Ya I forgot about him
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Remember rossum?
He was awesome
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 1:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
WR
CB
OLB
G
RB
Safety would move up to 3rd if we can’t resign Goldson with RB dropping off.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
High Risk/High Reward?
Do you think Baalke and Harbaugh will be willing to draft guys with potential “character” issues going forward?
The old regime seemed willing to do this and I’m just curious what you guys think. Somebody mentioned this in another thread but a guy like Cliff Harris (Oregon, CB) comes to mind. Harbaugh has established a strong “team first” attitude and I’m wondering if they would completely shy away from a guy like Harris.
I think the locker room is strong with High character guys that they will not let somebody come in, and ruin his career with stupid antics
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
You can't fix stupid....
I think the FO would just not place a young guy on the team unless he had some level of maturity. These guys are all professional athletes, not babysitters. The “locker room” can’t be responsible for getting some guy to keep in line or get his act together. If he isn’t a “football” or “character” guy, he won’t be on the Niners roster.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
WR – obvious #1 need. we should address it in the draft AND free agency. we currently have only 2 WRs on the roster and neither got open on Sunday. If we don’t resign Ginn, we’ll need a WR who preferably returns kicks.
CB – this is a passing league and it’d be nice to have more depth, especially if Rogers leaves.
RB – Gore isn’t getting younger or healthier and it showed. he was worked hard this year. (my personal fave would be David Wilson, RB Va Tech, but he probably will go in the 2nd round, too soon for the 49ers to draft an RB)
DE – Brooks possibly leaves and it’d be nice to have someone on the other side of Aldon to keep the pressure on the QB
OG – teams can never have enough depth on the O Line. Chilo is a disaster and needs to be replaced.
didn’t include QB because I believe that Kaep is the long term guy and we won’t get a guy in this draft who is better or will help us in 2012.
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Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM PST reply actions
I'm really excited about Kaep
I feel like he is Harbaughs secret weapon, just waiting to release him on the NFL.
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Ha
I’m excited to see Kaep next preseason. He did not look ready this preseason but hopefully he can take some big steps forward if he hasn’t already. The physical tools are impressive.
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I remember when he played this season
He had a lot of trouble handing the ball off
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
i dreamed up a series of beauty trick plays....
that involve Kaep in our 3 back set.
precisely.
which is why kaep is back there…flea flickers/reverse option passes/stretch runs with options. you know…nintendo stuff!
I wonder if I’ll see him around lol
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Sweet I go to SJSU as well :P
I don’t have twitter, what’s Donte majoring in?! :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Dunno
That’s all he posted lol
If it’s true, might be a culture shock from what he had at Ohio State lol
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Well damn, I guess he is going to SJSU lol
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Can someone show me around SJSU campus?
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Just reading...
@mattbarrows If Seely left for the Colts, who would go with him?
Ugh…can’t they leave our coaches alone!
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 AM PST reply actions
The Colts seem to be sort of a mess right now
If it’s just a lateral move why would you leave the 49ers right now?
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
It's not lateral, he's interviewing for the HC.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I meant for guys like Roman, Fangio etc.
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Ohh I see,
I doubt Roman or Fangio goes with him. I’m thinking at most he takes some FA players like Costanzo or Spillman.
Affectionately,
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NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I really like Constanzo
He was the Ivory to Dixon’s Ebony
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
awesome analogy...
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 25, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I think its for the head coach position
If I recall, coaches aren’t allowed to leave a team for the same position on another team. Or something like that.
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I hope there's something like that
but with Williams’s moving to the Ram’s to be their DC I don’t know
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
hmmm
maybe his contract was up or something. Imma look it up
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Er
didn’t Seely coach ST @ Cleveland before coming over here??
by Doni S on Jan 25, 2012 11:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
They had a whole coaching staff change though.
I think in certain cases, such as Mangini getting fired, coordinators are allowed to move laterally.
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NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Usually only if a HC allows them to interview for a lateral move can they do it...
Sometimes it’s built into the contract that they can’t interview for lateral moves without permission, but I don’t doubt that there are some times that they don’t put that clause in.
by 9thevolution on Jan 25, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
49ers ST coach Al Everest left
Singletary allowed it, remember? Said something about how it was better for Al’s family and so Singletary was like “family is most important” and allowed the move.
Most teams do not allow coaches to leave laterally
I don’t see why the 49ers would let Fangio or Roman leave for the same position in Indy. Tomsula seems like our biggest threat to leave as a DC somewhere.
by hammystyle on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
there's some good names out there for the colts right now....
tressel, pagano, and morningwheg are all very good candidates.
Tressel?
Explain to me how that guy is a good candidate.
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
in the sense that this is a copycat league...
and teams are looking at the niner success…why not pluck a proven coach from college and hope he brings a philosophy and system that the league doesn’t have an answer for? say what you will about that program, but they churn out NFL talent better than any top tier school.
Tressel is a different animal from Jim
He’s a maniacal control-freak I don’t know how well that will transition
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Being a maniacal control freak is about the only thing they have in common actually
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Eh don't see it
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Jim level's with his player's
Tressel think’s he’s the holy roman emperor
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
True
They are both maniacal but in different ways.
Jim Tressel is more Dennis Erickson than he is Jim Harbaugh.
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Harbaugh was running a Pro stlye system at Stanford and is a former NFL player
Tressel’s last two QB’s were Terelle Pryor and Troy Smith I believe. He lied and tried to cover up what he knew. He wears a sweater vest on the sidelines.
Should I go on?
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
rex ryan wears a sweater vest!
(the sound of a record scratching)
tressel is not a good candidate in the sense that any of us would be willing to take him. but, an indianapolis franchise that needs someone who leaves nothing to chance and will likely be building through the draft….. i do think they take a hard look at him and place value on what he’s done in Ohio.
there's even Trestman from the CFL
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Honestly, it all depends on what our/the coaching staff’s opinion is on our receivers and QB
If it’s the case of not having suitable WRs (which is true), then obviously WR is our #1 choice. But how deep do we need to get into WRs if our QB isn’t willing or capable of throwing to them? We definitely need one in the draft, and honestly projecting as far away as our pick is is just worthless. Look at last year, no one could even project the first 6 picks correctly
I know for a fact that I DO NOT want Vincent Jackson. He is the ultimate boom or bust receiver, and he is not worth the money he will get, nor is he worth it for the type of offense we have been running. Possibly Bowe, but I bet the Chiefs resign him, more likely one of the mid-tier WRs
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM PST reply actions
I thought the first 6 picks last year were spot on?
Cam, Von, Dareus, Green, Peterson, Julio. I thought Aldon was the first “WTF” in that draft hahah.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
oh yeah i meant the whole trading up deal, and yeah aldon was. This year looks way more difficult. I just mean that when it comes to the draft, it’s hard enough to predict the first 10 picks, let alone us trying to project who we want to take at #30.
That’s why I don’t read too much into mock drafts besides who they feel are our top needs.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely can't another another Balmer or Taylor Mays
Or even Glenn Coffee, though can’t really fault the Niners for that one really.
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"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Oops
Meant to reply to your other comment below
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
no point in drafting a wr if the ball is not thrown when they are open!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I went with
1. CB – I don’t expect us to get a lockdown one side of the field Revis caliber player, but as shown last weekend when Goldson demolished Brown, you can never have too much CB depth.
2. WR – I’m not looking for a super fast deep threat because we aren’t a vertical offense. I want a big guy who can consistently win 1 on 1 match ups when VD is being double teamed. I want a guy like who is sold on Alex Smith, and will put in all the time necessary to get on the same page as him. Because if Alex don’t trust you, he isn’t going to make the balls to the wall throw to you. When throwing down field, I’d say 9.5 times out of 10, unless the guy is VD, Walker or Morgan, Alex is going to put the ball where practically no one can get it. We need a superb route runner.
3. OLB – If we lose Brooks, Aldon would likely slide over to his starting position and I want us to draft another pass rusher to split time with Haralson similar to how Aldon was groomed. I don’t care how raw the guy is since he will not be expected to start, but grab the best pass rusher available. Make sure he’s nasty too.
4. Center – Not a huge need but I don’t like the idea of Snyder sliding over and Chilo getting into the game .
5. Guard – I’m not putting all my eggs into Kilgore and Person, and I really don’t want Chilo back.
Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer
by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM PST reply actions
Totally agreed on WR comments
I want a big guy who can consistently win 1 on 1 match ups when VD is being double teamed. I want a guy like who is sold on Alex Smith, and will put in all the time necessary to get on the same page as him.
Very well said.
by doyoufeellucky on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
More or less agree with this...except I'd rather go after a J.J. Watt kind of player in the 2nd to succeede J. Smith two or three years from now
I really want Bowie in free-agency, what are the odd’s of finding a #1 caliber receiver where we’ll be picking in the 1st round, much-less the 2nd
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather go after a J.J. Watt kind of player in the 2nd to succeede J. Smith two or three years from now
yeah, wouldn’t it be so convenient to find a top 10 talent in the 2nd round, no, no one would want that.
i wish it was that easy.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Simmer...just making a point that J. Smith need's a talented heir soon
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
sorry i didnt mean to come off like an ass, i just think its funny when people say stuff like “boy i wish we could find insert a top player in a draft/the NFL in a later round”
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
well
i do wish we could get a Joe Montana in the 3rd round…..again
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Lol no you're right I get annoyed with that kind of thinking too
I was criticizing someone for hoping to find a top-tier WR at a low-pick then said something delusional myself my bad
" The Alex Smith band-wagon has seen many come and go, but I'M STILL HOLDING THE REINS MOTHA-$%#%$#S"
by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
now now
we’re both idiots
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Here's one that fits.
I wish we could find our own Jared Allen in the 4th :(
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
In most years Watt would be a top 3-5 talent
Just happened that the last 2 drafts were stacked.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I'd definitely think about using a high pick to find an heir for Justin Smith a year or two down the road,
but he’s still a monster and right now I feel like we’re really close to getting to the SB. We need immediate upgrades in certain areas and D-Line is definitely not one of them. We shouldn’t go Atlanta style and put all our eggs in one guy for a drastic upgrade, but certain spots could use some more depth and such. But yeah possibly next year.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
If Konz is available he's the BPA by a mile
So we take a center.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Could he play Guard?
Hearing a lot of people mention Konz but Goodwin would appear to have the C position locked up for at least another year, correct? Could Konz transition to G and replace Snyder/Rachal?
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
He would be a 1st round guard as well
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
+1
Been pimping P. Konz or C. Glenn for their versatility to move between positions. And its good value as thats when O.linemen should be popped with late 1st rounders not mid 1st rounders. cough cough Davis… But at least Davis is still young and is improving.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 25, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
that's why I'm fairly excited about our off season.
Besides resigning some key free agents, we have a good amount of cap room and because we’re drafting later in each round, we could easily go BPA every time and get some steals.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
Finally they are in a position where they don’t have to draft strictly for need. Guys fall every year and hopefully they can grab some guys that fit the 49ers system but fell on other teams boards fro some reason. I wouldn’t mind seeing them use their 1st round pick and then trade their #2 to acquire some additional third and fourth round picks.
by AptosNinerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
I have faith in Baalke
I was upset we traded up for Aldon, but I was proven way wrong. I got complete faith in Baalke and Harbaugh
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
We didn't trade up for Aldon.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
No but that's how it felt
I think he means we reached hard. Which is how I felt. JJ Watt was there, Robert Quinn was there and we took Aldon who I felt was a mid 1st rounder because he was a 1 season wonder.
I was wrong in this case. For sure. Not wrong about Watt for sure… and the future will prove I was not wrong about Quinn… But wrong about Aldon
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
He wasn't a one season wonder
the year before his last college season didn’t he break the Mizzou record for sacks? Then he played well even after breaking his ankle. But I agree I thought we reached hard too. Thankfully we are wrong and Aldon will become the DROTY.
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He played ok at Mizzou after the injury
He was far from dominant for a Big 12 pass rusher
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Would you normally expect him to be dominant
when he’s playing football only 3 weeks after a broken leg?
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Playing 3 weeks after a broken leg
Tells me it is an extremely mild fracture. Probably more like a stress fracture.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
So no i don't expect him to dominate...
But that doesn’t eliminate the fact that he was a 1 season wonder
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Also, maybe for once we’ll actually have competent drafters who stop wasting every friggin pick we have. Like, you know, no more Chilo Rachal, Kentwan Balmer, Taylor Mays. Davis over Earl Thomas, and all the other friggin spit we waste picks on. Hopefully this past draft was a sign of things to come.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM PST reply actions
I'm still heated about not getting Earl Thomas
The NFL is moving toward’s a place where you NEED a high-caliber cover-safety (JUST BECAUSE GOLDSON HAD ALOT OF INT’S DOES NOT MAKE HIM A COVER SAFETY UNLIKE SOME SEEM TO BELIEVE)
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by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Goldson unfortunately is over rated
ya he makes some bigs hits and gets a few picks but he also gives up some huge plays going for those bigs hits. I think the niners may need him because I don’t se them getting a real upgrade this offseason. I would rather have a guy that covers well too…..but thats just me
The thing
Whether you think hes good or not( and I do), he’s gonna get PAID wherever he goes because of those INTs.
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
whitner's a big fan of his too....
i think that merits a franchise tag. as solid as whitner is in the secondary, you don’t want to chance him on another safety.
I'm thinking he gets the franchise tag as well.
Hopefully Rogers takes a smaller multi year contract to stay in SF and Goldson gets franchised for a year. If he puts up another Pro Bowl year, which I doubt, but I hope he does, then he can talk about making the big safety money. I’m not a Goldson fan, actually before this year I was a huge Goldson hater, but I can’t deny that his game vastly improved this year and he was a huge contributor to our run.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Ya Whitner said that they didn't get to do the fancy stuff this year
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Sorry for the caps lol I'm really not a fan of Goldson
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by jimisoursavior on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
1 WR
2 CB
3 OLB
4 DE
5 G
Depending on what we do in FA, my 1 & 2 are flex…& I went o-line @ 5 because I want Chilo to pack his bags; also wouldn’t mind if he took a certain some1 w/him who cost us our SB trip this year
by Doni S on Jan 25, 2012 11:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions
kyle
as crusty as those two mistakes were I think kyle will be a good weapon on offense next year. If they sign a guy like bowe.vjax/djax/steve johnson and have crab on the other side with morgan and the 2 te’s thats a pretty good aerial unit. kyle brovides another deep threat still out of the slot. this will toughen his ass up…..watch
Agreed
He messed real bad…but I feel the talent is there
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 12:09 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
No matter what
A good wide receiver is obviously number one on the list for the offseason. Drafting one won’t be sufficient
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 12:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
yup
We need someone who can slot in right away as the #1 WR
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Didnt see this post before wrote mine. I agree. We need to sign a WR. Not through the draft
by Johnveeskys on Jan 25, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
ok men.....
so assume we sign a FA wr…..what do they do with the #1? Jhnveeskys says CB. I can’t say i disagree. I wouldn’t mind another rush OLB or something like that. I think it has to be one of those 2 positions. Any names?? Denard? Jenkins?
OLB if not CB for sure. They may not resign Grant
by Johnveeskys on Jan 25, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
yah i think we can't assume grant or brooks gets resigned.....and that doesn't necessarily sadden me
frees up some $$ to use on another CB or something……i want tracy porter to play the other side with rogers haha!!!!!
Grant doesn't cost anything.
smh
He’ll resign on a hometown deal anyways
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Someone is going to pay Grant to be a starting LB.
Sure he only started a few games but he did a great job backing up Willis. I’d love to keep Grant but you know how this league works, all you need is one great play to get a big payday from someone. Grant just needs to send everyone the video of him stripping Jackson in the Seattle game to seal the victory, someone will bite :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed back-ups get big money for not alot of play
Look at Kolb, Cassel , Matt Flynn I know these are qb’s but they are just the easiest for me to remember right now. Matt Flynn will get paid huge for one game (dolphins i bet).
totally agree
Grant would start for either team in the superbowl right now, as well as any team in either of their divisions. (Maybe not washington. but everywhere else for sure).
Grant would easily be
the best lb on the giants
SF is home for him.
If he can play OLB I’d rather keep him here. He rushed the passer well, attacked the ball and was unbelievable in coverage. I’m not one to believe 2 inchs and 15 lbs means you can’t play OLB anymore than it means you can’t play QB.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Grant is a good pass rusher up the middle
I don’t know if he has the size to rush the passer or stop the run from the OLB position. There’s no DEs blocking offensive lineman for you on the outside.
But hey, the 49ers are pretty light across the defensive line. If Fangio wanted to, I have faith he could figure out how to get Willis, Bowman, and Grant on the field on every play.
Just requires creative play calling
People don’t seem to understand rushing the passer is a skill more than just brute force and athleticism.
Swim moves, rips, clubs, spins, outside/inside moves, understanding how the blocking is shaping up and breaking off your block into a stunt as the pocket collapses… These are things that size doesn’t dictate. He might never be the greatest pass rusher… But with skills in these areas he can still be above average… and be elite in all other categories.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I would go BPA between OLB and CB
If and only if we get a #1 WR in FA
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Sign a FA WR like Bowe or Jackson (I'll take Vincent or DeSean and draft a CB with the 1st rd pick
By signning jackson may cause problems with the return game and whether or not to resign Ginn but wouldnt mind Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe. We will have one of these guys on our roster next year.
I dont like desean
Seems like a jerk, and I feel we already have kyle williams as a quick deep threat.
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
agreed
I’d like to see a bigger body for the red zone. kinda like braylon was supposed to be except someone thats successful lol
WR, S, OLB, G, CB
In order, these are our biggest needs. Everyone absolutely knows that WR is #1, but the rest of the order is up for debate. It’s unfortunate the safety class is terrible this year, because having a guy for this year to learn and adjust would help when we likely lose Goldson after next season.
draft always changes
just because it isn’t deep @ S this year doesn’t mean it will be in 2013…besides, Goldson is kinda unpredictable, a good season here, a bad season there, followed by another good season…
Pretty much agree with everything here
Obviously safety depends on the Goldson negotiation, but overall this team needs more young prospects in the secondary. Right now, corner #4 is an undrafted free agent who’s best day in the NFL so far is somewhere between “okay” and “not terrible,” and corner #5 is a past-his-prime who’s leaving town. We have some interesting players at safety — Spillman has shown some things — but no one to be excited about long term.
The team could use a prospect at guard as well. Chilo is gone, which opens up a spot, and personally I think Snyder has 1 more season with this team, if that.
Fitz and brooks
Repping dwayne bowe
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 12:53 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Brooks is getting paid off comission
Fitz is paid in donuts.
Assuming Goldson is franchised or re-signed, Rogers is re-signed, Alex is definitely re-signed, Snyder is re-signed because of versatility
1) WR
2) OC/OG
3) Sam OLB/Pass rush specialist depending on Manny Lawson
4) DE Depth
5) S Depth
Sign a pass rush specialist like Travis LaBoy to rotate with Haralson, or Manny Lawson to play Sam on first/second down.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
But BPA all the way.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
there is no way i want lawson back
lets take clements too lol
Why would you not want Lawson back?
And Clements had a good season too. Clements was never a bad corner, it was just because of his contract. He was outstanding as the Bengals number 2 opposite Leon Hall. Struggled a little when Leon Hall got injured as he became the number 1.
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Lawson never turned out to be the pass rusher
we needed him to be but he could cover pretty well.
Which is exactly what we need opposite Aldon Smith.
He has the athleticism to provide enough of a pass rush from the Sam LB position on first and second downs if needed. We would easily have the most athletic four linebackers in the league on first and second down, and quite possibly the most athletic four tandem of LBs in the history of the NFL. We’d have the 6’5" athlethic freak that is Lawson covering TEs – a linebacker with that height and athleticism is rare.
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lets get vernon to cover some tight ends in obvious passing downs lol
if troy brown and julian edelman could do it so could vernon……lets show the world how freakish he is athletically haha
Lawson's stats actually decreased in his role with the Bungles
52 tackles 4 PDs and 1.5 sacks. That dude is a bust and a fail.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
i don't know if i would say he was "oustanding"
and ya lawson was decent in coverage but I just think we could get a player as good in the draft and let him grow into the position and get even better hopefully
Lol?
Lawson was the best linebacker we had in coverage easily.
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If only Larry Grant was an OLB
He looked pretty athletic defending passes this year lol
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by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah definitely.
Looked very good in coverage too. He’s a little undersized to play Sam OLB though. He’s 6’0", while Manny Lawson is 6’5", and runs a much faster 40.
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Whats the word thats just slightly less
than outstanding?? exceptional?? I’ll take that over average
Well he is without doubt, a massive upgrade in coverage over whoever we have at the moment at OLB in coverage.
Aldon Smith will be playing Jack OLB on all downs next season, so Lawson would be an oustanding pick-up opposite him. He signed a 1 year 3 million deal last season! That is an absolute bargain.
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Dude Lawson is F****** horrible
don’t curse our team with that loser
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
you notice as soon as we got rid of that turd our team went from 8-8 to 13-3?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
woah woah woah
Be nice to [Singletary, Lawson, Spikes, Franklin, Baas, Carr, Westbrook, McKillop, Mays, Laboy]!
Lawson is the only position we noticeably upgraded
Aside from coach.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
I agree Whitner was an outstanding pick-up
I agree with you on most things, but can’t agree on Lawson being a complete bust. He’d be a great pick-up at Sam OLB opposite Aldon Smith. Can’t think of a better option at his price, unless we pick an OLB during the draft.
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I'm with you on Lawson
There aren’t many good cover linebackers in the league, especially outside linebackers playing in a 3-4 scheme. Lawson was solid in coverage — we all just hated him because he didn’t get sacks.
Yeah, was drafted to be the pass rusher,
but never got the numbers. He was our best LB in coverage.
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His coverage is so overrated its disgusting
4 passes defended all year. 6 Last year. Grant had 5 in 4 games.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Passes defended are also impacted by how many times you are targetted
Larry Grant was targetted often because teams thought he was the weakness in our front 7 – it proved not to be the case.
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Well compared to the rest of the front 7 he was
Although thats more of an indication of the front 7 and not Grant
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I agree somewhat in principle
but in Lawson’s case not so much in practice. If you’re locking people down as your specialty you should have racked up more than a career high 6 PDs in 1 season. Takeo had 5 Ints in a season before.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
at least one of grant's PDs
came from him jumping four feet in the air and batting down a perfectly thrown pass.
related: Grant is a beast.
Bowman was playing last year though
They were transitioning. So he counts about 50% I guess.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
we also cut tony wragge
pretty sure he was the sole reason this team went from 8-8 to 13-3.
Grant is better in coverage.
In like 4 games he had 1 more PD (5) than Lawson did all year and he forced a fumble and only had 10 less tackles
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
it would be awesome if he could play OLB
If the team resigns him, I’m betting that’s where they’ll plan to move him. He’s a beast in coverage. He was blanketing fools in the Steelers game.
and he has the same build as many OLBs
This belief that guys can’t switch positions is beyond stupid. CBs become Safeties. (and rarely vice versa) Strong Safeties become MLBs. MLBs can become OLBs.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I agree Grant has shown the qualities to be a very good Sam OLB
Has shown great coverage, brilliant against the run, and surprisingly decent at rushing the passer. He is though, still slightly undersized… He’s the same height as Haralson basically, so is already an upgrade. Being a RFA, he should be retained on a team friendly deal.
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Also, he signed a 1 year 3 million deal with the Bengals I think. So he is a FA.
That is an absolute bargain for Lawson.
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I wouldn't give 3 dollars for him
Much less 3 million. He’s one of the worst OLBs in the league
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
How many PDs and sacks did he have in 16 games?
His main 2 jobs. Look and tell me. Then tell me how he’s so good.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Then the Bengals
must have the best 9 man defense in football to be a top 10 D with Lawson and Clements as starters
He's 6'5" and it is rare to have a LB that can match up with a TE's height and speed
You just don’t get players at that height with his athleticism very often at LB.
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The Bungles were getting torched by Owen Daniels till they put T. Mays on him man-to-man
Lawson couldn’t stop him to save his life
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Who do you suggest for Sam OLB then?
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That won't happen, though it is interesting
and should have been looked at this season. He’s got another 2 years on his deal.
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It was something I always advocated we do with Mays when we drafted him
I felt even if we couldn’t fix his coverage in space we could convert him to 1 hell of a LB. His sideline to sideline speed would be unmatched and his tackling against the run is excellent. Also in man coverage no TE is agile enough to exploit his weakness. Jimmy Graham could perhaps come close but that’s it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
You are underrating Lawson in pass coverage significantly imo
There isn’t a better available option in FA at his price.
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Lawson is a FA?
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Signed a one year 3 million deal I think.
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oh nice
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Cruz torched Rogers on Sunday, but you want to resign him. Pointing at one game is odd.
Stevie Johnson got the best of Revis, on a Sunday as well.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Fair enough point
But its not one game. Lawson never did anything here. Dude is a bust.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
The main reason I mention Lawson
Is because ALL teams are going to move to 2 TE formations now. TEs are becoming impossible to defend because safeties can’t hit hard etc, which was the best defense against passes over the middle. I can see a lot more TEs being taken in the first two rounds in this year’s draft and all following drafts, until they adjust how defenses can defend passes over the middle. That’s why, having the opportunity to sign a player like Lawson, who has that rare combination of height and speed, is extremely fortunate.
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this.
Having a 7th cover guy in base formations is going to be a necessity for this defense, especially next year when they face Gronk, Hernandez, Finley, Graham, Ballard, Keller and Pettigrew. That’s much more valuable than another pass rusher IMHO.
Serious?
The Alex bashing is getting ridiculous. We got nothing from Alex? How about a 13-3 record? How about 17/5 td/int? How about 3144 yds with a 61.3%? How about taking the Niners to the Conference Championships? /lesigh….yeah…but what have you done for me lately!!!
Yeah give him the credit and not the blame?
I watched the games, he made some plays, but he left so much on the field the team stayed in tight games all year. His issues, IMO, cannot be fixed. IT’s mental and mechanical. he is going on year 8. Have you ever tried to change your jumpshot and then go and play with that new shot, it gets ugly as soon as the defense is in the picture.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
You are DEAD WRONG.
But do not worry, we will be in NFC title game again next year, with Alex, and will win it.
And you can keep on blind hate.
I agree..
with giving credit AND blame. But the people who are calling for Alex’s head aren’t giving him any credit. I like Alex, I liked him last year…but I was ready for him to move on after last year if we could get someone better. The team was 6-10. They hadn’t made the playoffs since 2003. I felt it was time for a change….and then we got that change, in the form of Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh took Smith and “changed his jumpshot”, as you said. He got into his head and propped up Alex’s strengths and started to dismantle his weaknesses.
The only way you change your jumpshot is because it wasn’t that good in the first place. You have to practice the new shot and get comfortable with it before you will see the improvements. If you stick with it, over time u will become a better player and better shooter. If you don’t, you revert back to the old crappy shot. I don’t want that old crappy shot…..I don’t want Jim Druckenmiller. I don’t want Tim Rattay.
Like the idea of signing a pure pass rusher to pair with Haralson
But LaBoy was not a particularly good one, with the niners or the chargers. (I didn’t know if you meant we should pick up LaBoy or someone like Laboy). Baalke seems to know his linebackers — I wouldn’t be surprised if the team picked 2-3 OLBs in free agency or the lower rounds of draft this year, with at least one of them paired with Haralson in the LOLB spot.
Like LaBoy
Don’t think LaBoy is great either. Just a pure pass rusher. LaBoy did pretty well last season, however.
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we're on the same page then
In terms of free agents, I know that Erik Walden from GB and Jarret Johnson from the Ravens would fit in as solid 3rd down pass rushers. The rams have a dude named poppingstock or something who’s pretty good as well.
Poppinga?
Don’t think he’s great. Watched all the Rams games this season. I think we can pick up a situational pass rusher in the draft. You can usually find OLB/DE tweeners later in the draft. I wanted Brooks Reed last season, but the Texans took him instead.
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You watched all the rams games this season?
How are you holding up?
Haha, I like to watch all the NFC West games
They need a lot of upgrades – fortunately however, they can trade the second overall pick for a lot of picks. Saffold is pretty awful, and Jason Smith is a bust – will probably be released. Jason Brown will probably be released too, got a huge deal for an OC and has been dreadful. They need help at OG and OC, WR, LT, RB, probably RT, and TE (their second round pick from last season, Lance Kendricks looks a huge bust – don’t know why they took him to be honest… looked a McDaniels pick… ran a 4.6 40 and only like 6’3", with questionable hands). And that’s just on offense. I do think the NFC West will be competitive though, and soon – Cards and Hawks are stacked on D!
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I feel like they've been whiffing on offensive draft picks for the last few seasons
Outside of bradford, I can’t name a single productive offensive contributor they’ve drafted lately. Spags seemed like a solid coach, but a terrible talent evaluator.
Personally, I’m excited that the Cards and the Seahawks are getting their act together. A competitive NFC West means more good 49ers games for me to watch, and more practice for this team to prepare the playoffs.
Yeah, it is difficult to name a single good offensive pick the last few seasons
Except Bradford. Yeah I agree, can’t wait for a strong NFC West, could be one of the strongest in the league in a couple seasons.
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Graham is a beast
He made alot of teams linebackers look silly
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 1:16 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Partly to do with the fact that TEs are being made impossible to defend against
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Agreed
Matchup nightmares
by RedGoldWarrior on Jan 25, 2012 1:18 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
He is too tall
Drew Brees just throws it up and he comes down with it.
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if we get D. Jax
No need to waste money on Ted Ginn since D. Jax can return punts.
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by Giants49war on Jan 25, 2012 1:14 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I'll rather have Ginn.
D. Jax isn’t worth his contract
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They are actually pretty similar receivers
D. Jax had a worse catch rate than Ginn last season, IIRC. Which is to say, I’d wouldn’t want either of them as a #1 or #2 WR. I’ll be on the Bowe-wagon if you need me.
Went with WR, CB, OLB, DT, DE
Ideally I’d want Bowe and then we could take a later round WR and use our #1 pick on BPA CB/OLB. Don’t see us taking any OL until very late if at all.
I believe there is a 100% chance we draft a RB and TE also.
Pagano signed with the Colts
Seeley’s staying.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
WOOHOOO
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Seely* lol
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
2009 Draft WR Nicks
Anyone else curious as to what could have been had we traded down in the 2009 and grabbed Nicks instead of Crabtree?
Not that we would have liked the trade at the time but Nicks just seems bigger and faster than Crabs and seems more like a true #1.
Imagine
If in 2005 we had drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Alex Smith
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He'd be concussed and out of this league already.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Imagine
If the Dennis Erickson era never existed…
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Or what would have happened if we didn't draft Chilo and Kentwan instead of Desean :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
He wouldn't put the same stats because he won't be in Reid's high flying offense.
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I don't care about the stats.
He’d STILL be better than Chilo and Kentwan… combined….. squared…. plus 2.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
ya thats true...
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I think Desean would have more problems
staying in the Bay than he has in Philly… and he’s already too much of a headache.
Why DeSean?
there were much better options. Why not Brandon Flowers, or Jordy Nelson. DeSean isn’t all that good and has ties to gangs in the bay area. Why do we keep wishing we got him?
Because he's the first Pro Bowler I can think of that we passed on to take Kentwan and Chilo.
But yes there were better options. Point is simply we took Kentwan and Chilo…
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Flowers and Nelson both went before Chilo, there are several players after Chilo taht are better than D Jax.
Matt Forte, Ray Rice, Calais Campbell, Jamall Charles, Jermichael Finley, CARL NICKS, JOSH SITTON…
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
He put up some crazy numbers this year
But I wonder if that’s because he was surrounded by Dez Bryant and Miles Austin. The 49ers are a step down from that, obviously. But he’d be a great pickup for the right price.
I think he could be our next Carlos Rogers FA sign. Minus the pro bowl of course
I just think he could have an impact of that nature.
I wouldn't definitely be excited about it
He’s pretty much a Manningham clone, right? Fast, slippery, and always open downfield. Either of those guys would add an element of speed to the 49ers offense that is severely lacking as of now.
*would definitely
basically, this would be awesome.
A lot easier being a #3 with 2 elite WRs next to you
Not so easy to be the man when you have guys that can’t get open in man coverage next to you
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Desean isn't even close to the best guy drafted after Chilo
Not even 3rd or 4th
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
As a #7 overall pick though?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
He's put together a solid season this year.
Could surprise people if he keeps improving.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Not saying he wont be a good player eventually.
Still wouldn’t have taken him 7th overall.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
That's what we all said about Aldon at first hahah.
Some work out, some don’t :P Thus the nature of the draft!
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
He did have a solid year but
From what I’ve seen of him, he doesn’t have very soft hands when he catches it- similar hands to VD.
Hey if we got him 7th overall lol
We’ve been lucky with 7 wasn’t Vernon number 7
6 I think
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
MY PLAN IS WORKING
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I dunno :)
I’m pretty sure it was 6th overall
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
no way he was worth a #7 pick
ahead of Jeremy Maclin and Percy Havlin.
If Crabtree was off the board, I think 49ers may have done a different direction. A OT like Oher may be. Does he play the same positon as Chilo. We need to get rid of Chilo.
I wanted Maclin or Oher, either way we can't play this game. What could Crabtree be without Smith?
That is the question. How would our offense be with a more accurate passer. We just need to capitalize on what the run game leaves open and Smith is not getting it done.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
He could be riding the bench on a team with actual WR talent
Or be cut from a team like the Giants
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Silly Question
But do teams usually pull the Center?
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No.
It’s impossible to snap the ball and then pull hahah.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Oh ok
Ya I was just wondering if some people do that. Didn’t get to play in high school. Everything I learned about football came from here.
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oh ok
cool thanks. Then you can pull the guard if you want to.
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Not really
Thats how it used to be I don’t feel like that is the case anymore.
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I think I read somewhere that Snyder pulled more than Iupati this year
could be mistaken though
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Snyder did lead pull alot this year
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Um no its not. Peter Konz does it ALL THE TIME
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Manraj do not rely on the people here for football knowledge.
Save for Smileyman and Oudjagas or however you spell his name.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
It was mostly the front page writers and such
I understand most of it. Just a few questions here an there.
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BTW the 2 guys I named above are about as good as it gets
I have a decent amount of knowledge… Enough to know when what I’m seeing is wrong… I’ve never seen anything from either than I can outright say is wrong. Both are extremely knowledgeable. Pay attention to what they say.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Oh interesting
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huh?
For run blocking? That’s almost always the Guard(s).
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by Badly Browned on Jan 25, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
ya for run blocking
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it happens now and then
Baas has been doing it for the giants this year on screens and off-tackle runs. Also, if teams run a zone scheme like Houston, the center sometimes ends up pancaking a defensive end.
No team’s center is running sideline to sideline in the NFL, though. They are much more valuable if they are good at filling up space in the middle of the line.
Your second line is why I want Konz so bad.
He gets out on sweeps as a pulling center and is picking off OLBs and corners
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Don't know if thats a durable strategy in the NFL
since defensive players are so much faster than they are in college. I’d rather have a center who can take on a DE one-on-one than one who can get 10 yards downfield and blow up a safety.
That being said, I don’t know much about Konz. If he’s an all-around solid center who could fill in at Guard early in his career, I like the pick.
He's the best center prospect I've seen since I actually started paying attention.
IMO significantly better than Pouncey ever was.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
He's a Dermonti Dawson caliber prospect.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Peyton Manning
I know the team made it to the NFC Championship game, but could you just imagine for a second. A healthy Manning, a nice big rookie WR, Gore/VD, and our defense. Super Bowl! 2 year contract for Manning if healthy?
2 years of Manning = 2 superbowls
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THing of it is, Manning will want to pick a team that has what it needs minus a QB, we have the best situation for him to move to.
Alex is nto the ansswer at QB.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
by rlott#42 on Jan 25, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We have the best situation for any QB
Top of the line D. Good run game and weapons that can be utilized if we have a guy to pull the trigger.
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B.S Alex owes me at least 3 more winning seasons
and I intend on collecting lol
by AK49e on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's the spirit!
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Indy had 10 years + and got 1
I don’t think Manning is the answer. Getting close to the Superbowl then reaching on free agents to get over the hump is a disaster.
SEE: Falcons, Atlanta – Eagles, Philadelphia – Jets, New York
Stay with the players you got. Pick up a few good system players in FA and the draft and keep the team young and hungry.
Has he ever had a top 5 defense and a top 10 run game....uhhhhh NO.
Defense rests
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Not so fast there....
Here’s the answer based on total defense:
Indy Year (Rank)
2001 (31) 2002 (7) 2003 (20) 2004 (19) 2005 (2) 2006 (23) 2007 (1) 2008 (7) 2009 (8) 2010 (23)
Not as shabby as you think. Top 10 in five out of the last 10 years.
Yeah they had a beastly defense when
Mathis, Freeney and Sanders were all healthy.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
That's mostly because teams were already behind
So they had to keep throwing.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
That's what they said was happening to GB's defense this year...
….and see how they ranked. Colts were still good even with them coming after them.
And on top of it...
….they always got the best from their opponents because they were the Colts and they knew Manning was going to throw up at least 20 on them.
They had a good defense.
Which years did he have a top ten ground game to accompany that?
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Come on...
..I’ve got to work sometime. I’ll let you handle that one.
And having Faulk and then The Edge....
….I’m sure he had it quite a few years
logic
you should try that concept out some time, see how it works for you
OK we can stay with everyone but Alex, none of those teams have made a super bowl but the G Men.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
Not sure Manning fits with Harbaugh
Since Jim likes athletic QBs who can move.
I'm sure he can since he is a Jedi and moves defenses with his mind,...!!
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
by rlott#42 on Jan 25, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yup
Manning is pretty much a QB but an OC as well. he goes up to the line as calls plays based on is reads of the defense. I’m not sure Harbaugh would give that much power to the QB
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AleX does this too
Watch any game. He’ll get to the line and within 3 seconds will yell “KILL, KILL”.
Well there is a difference between
Manning calling plays and audibles under center and Smith choosing between 2 pre called plays by Roman. “Let it roll” is the first play and “kill kill kill” is the second. Manning orchestrates the offense entirely in the flow of the game. Alex just goes with whatever play matches up with the defense
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah which is why it's not a good comparison
to say that Alex audibles an offense the same way Manning does. Nowhere close to the same way.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying they are the same situations
I’m just merely pointing out this isn’t a college situation where they get to the LOS and Alex needs to look at the sideline for adjustments. He has some freedom to choose the play at the line. He’s not audiblizing or hot routing with recievers like Peyton has done, but he does have choices. I really just want to see this team convert a 3rd down at a some what decent rate.
Big difference between the way Alex and Peyton run their offenses
Peyton changes plays but also changes the routes of receivers based on what he sees from the defense. Not too mention he’s really good at assigns each lineman a blocking assigment. He’s made a mediocre line look really good. Alex chooses from two plays and that’s it.
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So far but who's to say
that they wont give Alex a longer leash in the future?? Alex is as smart as they come just like Peyton so it’s not like they only give him two plays cause he’s dumb there is alot more to this offense that we haven’t even seen. Just my opinion
I think with a full off season,
Alex will come out shooting like we’ve never seen before. I’m excited.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
And the passes down the sideline
looked better the last couple games and he could always throw down the middle
I think sideline passes were always more about chemistry than talent.
Think of VD and Delanie wheelroutes, Alex always put the ball right on the money, but when it was Crabtree streaking down the sideline, Alex always over throws it. He simply doesn’t have the same rapport with Crabs like he does with VD, so he’ll always err on the side of caution. Once he develops the trust, he’ll start fitting balls into small windows cause he’ll know Crabs will come up with it. I mean think a season ago, most of Alex’s interceptions came off of Crabtree tipped balls or wrong routes.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Smith-Crabtree timing may have to do with the practice vs our defense
My observation may be wrong here but it seems our DB’s dont really get physical at the LOS in games vs our opponents. In games vs opposing defenses, our WRs are always getting hit in the contact zone disrupting the timing of the “overthrown” deep balls.
Yeah we don't do much bump and run coverage.
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 25, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
i thought this about kyle
…and on the flip side, josh had great timing because he was always strong at the line.
Your right
he sails them when throwing to Ginn alot too
This I can't argue, not one bit, although he still missed some deep balls either didn't throw it or over threw it. He still leaves too much production on the field.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
or just may we just had offensive challenge coaches
By the way, Colts name Pagano coach. Guess we get to keep Seely for now.
I think it would be a great situation
So much information will be gathered on any play and you can exploit a defense. Maybe even pick up more than 1 third down in 15 attempts.
Yep spend the first season
Tailoring the offense to Peyton and scraping him up off the field and the second season hoping we make it to the superbowl before the qb retires i love it
What proof is there that we would have to tailor an offense around him?
Peyton strikes me as someone who understands the game of football, intelligent to the point of picking up a playbook, understanding what the gameplan is, and executing that gameplan. Alex had a great season, but Peyton is an upgrade at the QB position. Peyton is much safer than RGIII. Peyton will provide us with draft flexibility (go after a big WR in the middle of the first or trade out and stockpile picks for the future). The only downsides I see is his current health situation (which is addressed in the physical) and the price tag.
After 12 years his offense is burned into his brain
not saying he couldn’ pick up this offense and do it quickly but to be effective i think its a stretch
Manning was put in that position, does not mena he can't react and play differently.
Geez people he’s a hall o fame QB, get a grip.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
I have no idea where to start on the offensive side of the ball, until we figure out what is happening at QB. If Smith is “the guy” I doubt that any WR would even entertain coming here. With contracts so easy for teams to get out of, the 49ers would have to pay tons, simply because their numbers will not mean dick to other teams once they play here. SEE BRAYLON EDWARDS next contract
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Smith at QB and most WRs will pick this team over at least 28 others.
We have been to the final four and will go there again, with Smith. Hate on that.
Agreed
He ain’t getting paid big $$ by no one
I keep hearing 2-years 8-11 milllion per for AleX
I wholeheartedly agree with the braylon contract. The only reason we took him was the contract and I think that is the issue here when it comes to the front office. Will they really spend the money on a big name WR. I mean, we did go into the postseason with Swain and PS guys. Alex isn’t going to make a WR better, so we need to get a WR that can play opposite of VD, get off the LOS and into their route, can draw double coverage, and take advantage of any single man coverage. Very few WR’s meet that criteria, and of those that do, are not free agents. Which brings us all back to the question, is Smith really “the guy”?
Why does nobody here think that
Buress would be a good way to go am I totally missing something I mean i know he’s getting old but we need a big body redzone threat like that.
I like Plaxico. I think he would be a nice upgrade at the position and help with our problems in short yardage situations, where you can use his body, and in the red-zone, where you throw it up and let him get it. Only issues I see is him not being able to beat bump-and-run coverage between the 20s and dealing with a QB like Smith who wont throw him open and will only throw safe balls.
the only one who is reporting that is Matt Maiocco
I don’t think Alex and the FO have even starting talking yet, so no one knows what the deal is going to be, or even what its going to look like.
Alex can throw safe balls and Plax can go get em
think back to the first giants game we threw to braylon in the endzone safe but good throw he can’t hang on 9 times out of 10 Plax catches that braylon maybe 4 out of 10
Pierre Garçon
I don’t think we spring for the big contracts that Bowe, and the Jackson’s are getting.
Pierre Garçon is 25 and caught 70 for 947 with Painter, Orlovsky and Collins throwing him the ball. He’s 6’ 210 with 4.42 speed and a 36" vertical.
He, along with Morgan and an early round pick would be a pretty significant upgrade.
by hammystyle on Jan 25, 2012 4:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Garcon is staying in Indy
The Indy front office wants him and financially makes since as they could restructure freeney and resign mathis. Wayne will be the odd man out of Indy.
Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, or Dwayne Bowe. Its a must we sign one of those guys!
Djax would be last on my list of those guys tho!
Alex just isn’t slinging the ball and giving his WRs opportunities to make plays. DeSean and Dwayne are still young enough to get one more contract, so they are going to want to play for a team that can provide them opportunities to put up numbers and get paid. As for VJ, this will be his only contract, so he’s looking to get paid long term and I think San Diego is gonna do it and keep him. So the only way we get any of these 3 WRs is to overpay for them.
Give me another legit Pass Rusher to pair with Aldon and a legit #1 WR and we go back
to the NFC Championship game!
Alshon Jeffery possibly?
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
How do you feel about Nick Toon?
I really like him. I think he could be a number 1 and possibly a steal.
by northwestniner on Jan 25, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think we should go BPA with our first pick.
FA WR may be the way to go. Takes some time for rookie WRs to get used to the NFL.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
1st pick is a tough decision.
Most would think it has to be an offensive playmaker. I just have never been a big fan of drafting WR either. I agree with you FA WR is a pretty good idea. You could get a guy like Toon later I believe. BPA good call.
by northwestniner on Jan 25, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, and fortunately you can get quality centers and guards later in the first,
Konz would be an outstanding pick-up, but he’ll be gone by 13th overall imo. I don’t think Beeler is the answer at C by the way. Lacks elite strength and athleticism to play the position, can easily get an upgrade in the draft. There is a reason he wasn’t drafted. Don’t think Goodwin is much better than average either, and given his age, would love to pick a center in the first.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
I don't think there's any chance he goes that early... But you never know. I'd say he's almost worth it.
Mel Kiper just regraded the 06 draft and had Mangold going 2nd since he’s the best in the business. I think Konz has the level of ability to approach that level of play. Mangold went 29th.
Konz is as dominant a run blocker as any guard in college and he’s as cerebral a center as any guy I’ve seen play at the college level. If he continues to develop his skills and eliminates pass pro mental mistakes he’s a perennial pro bowler.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
He's far better than Mike Pouncey who went 15th overall
And Maurkice Pouncey who went 18th overall. Given the new rookie salary caps, interior offensive lineman will be taken earlier than previous seasons if they are top of the draft boards imo. I honestly think he’ll be gone by 16th overall and probably 13th overall too.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Konz isn't the best interior lineman
that would go to Decastro
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Regardless.
My point is, with the new rookie salary cap, there could easily be two interior offensive lineman in the first 15 picks.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Sigh
happened before with Pouncey and Iupati. Hopefully it doesn’t happen again. Also isn’t Beeler supposed to be the future at C?
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Doubt that will happen
He lacks elite strength and athleticism to play center in the NFL. You can find upgrades easily in the draft.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
Well we signed Goodwin for a 3 year deal
Which gives him 2 more years to bulk up.
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Beeler might make it to the NFL as a starter
That would be a great victory for him. Hope he makes it. He will never be great much less elite for the reasons Teekay mentions
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Decastro is probably the best yes
But the difference isn’t that big when you consider that Konz is excellent at calling assignments. He’s a very cerebral center in addition to be physical beast.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed there.
Pouncey had that Florida hype behind him though. Konz really seems to be flying below the radar despite the fact that I think the Big 10 produces equal to or even better D Line players than the SEC. (They definitely produce the best linemen)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
That is an excellent point about the new CBA making their contracts more in line with their positional average
Had not thought about that at all. Its a tide that will raise all interior line ships
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Toon or Wright for WRs
Konz for Center over either though
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Konz is good because he can play gaurd as well!
by northwestniner on Jan 25, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
yup. At an elite level
He’s everything Chilo was supposed to be as a guard. Except smart too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 25, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
David Molk
Could be a good player with a little development I think will become a good starter in the NFL.
by northwestniner on Jan 25, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
Anybody like Juron Criner??
I am stuck on us getting a big guy
I like him!
I don’t think he’s a first round guy, but if you could get him in the third or fourth it would be a steal.
by northwestniner on Jan 25, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
I like him in 3rd or 4th.
He’s got some big mitts.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 25, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
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