2012 Senior Bowl: 49ers Visiting With Players
by David Fucillo on Jan 26, 2012 8:00 AM PST
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PrintThe Senior Bowl practice week is in full swing, which allows teams to observe and interact with players. With three months until the draft, teams are in the midst of finalizing 2012 NFL Draft boards that likely started developing shortly after the wrap of the 2011 NFL Draft. Generally speaking, all 32 teams send scouts and personnel folks to town to assess the players. The 49ers have scouts on hand as noticed by Alfie Crow from Big Cat Country. Apparently the scouts generally wear team apparel at the Senior Bowl.
While getting measurements on players and seeing them run around in a variety of drills are important, there is a certain value to speaking with a player either in a formalized interview or a simple sideline chat during practice. While it is hard to define what will make an impression on a personnel person, I can imagine brief conversations with a player can at least give people an inkling about their personality or give them something to research a bit more over the next few months. I've never been to the Senior Bowl, but I have a feeling that the chats and interviews this week are much like cover letters. They often won't win someone over, but they can definitely hurt you.
Meeting with a player does not guarantee much of anything because teams will meet with a lot more players than they draft. Although chance encounters are possible, I have to think a meeting, even on the sideline, has to mean at least some level of interest, no matter how small.
The Senior Bowl isn't some bold predictor of draft picks, but the 49ers have taken a fair number of players from the All-Star Game. In 2011, Senior Bowl alum on the 49ers roster included Kendall Hunter, Colin Kaepernick, Ronald Johnson and Ian Williams.
After the jump I've posted the modest list of players who have met with the 49ers in some form or fashion.
According to Alfie's observations, 49ers people chatted with the following players:
- WR Juron Criner, Arizona
- WR Marvin McNutt, Iowa
- LB Keenan Robinson, Texas
- DT Brandon Thompson, Clemson
The folks at WalterFootball.com also have someone down in Mobile and he reported the 49ers spoke with:
- RB Doug Martin, Boise State
- LB Bobby Wagner, Utah State
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Doug Martin in mid rounds, let's go 49ers!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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yea me either, but hey here is to wishful thinking!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 26, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
That would be nice...
Gore is closing quickly on not being dominant anymore. We all love him and wish he could play forever, but he doesn’t have the homerun ability like he used to.
by 9thevolution on Jan 26, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Hear Janoris Jenkins is the only CB doing good work down there..
Stock is rising for this kid. Had personal issues @ Florida but transfered. Apparently on the straight & narrow now!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 26, 2012 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
Well, this locker room is strong enough and solid enough
to help change that kind of behavior for a young player. As long as he can produce I think he would fit in. I’ve been saying to myself for half of the season that this defense is only one stellar CB away from being truly dominant elite. They did well this year, but gave up a lot of passing yardage. If we can improve the secondary during the offseason it will be a very scary defense.
by 49ersfanFURlife on Jan 26, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
How many points do you get for Passing Yards ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
Roughly around 1 points every 20 yards
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YAH RIGHT!
Janoris Jenkins is about as straight as Highway 50 headed to Lake Tahoe and as narrow as 80 at the Bay Bridge.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
he got caught for selling drugs?
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 12:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
No it wasn't any one thing that bad. His offenses aren't really that bad at all.
It’s just he didn’t learn from them. He got arrested 3 times. Twice in a 3 month period
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
lmao, hey I'm not saying it.....he is!?!?!
“I didn’t want people to make it seem like I was running from my problems,” Jenkins said. “The reason for me going to North Alabama was to face reality, humble myself and get focused to make sure I don’t make the same mistakes. I just wanted to prove to everybody that I’m not a bad kid, that I just made a few mistakes and I’m ready to move forward.”
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/01/senior_bowl_janoris_jenkins_wa.html
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 26, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
According to CBS sports
SENIOR BOWL WEIGH-IN IMPRESSIONS: The most impressive builds of the day were sported by Utah State inside linebacker Bobby Wagner (6-0 and a 1/4, 241 pounds), Boise State running back Doug Martin (5-09, 219), Michigan defensive tacke Mike Martin (6-1 and a 1/2, 307 pounds) and Florida State linebacker Nigel Bradham (6-1 and 5/8, 237 pounds). – Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1692666/bobby-wagner
Sounds like if nothing else, Martin and Wagner are in NFL shape
Bobby Wagner is built like a truck
Same body type as Willis and Bowman
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
seems like he'll be a great ILB
not sure he has the pass rush skills to be an OLB, but if brooks doesn’t resign, wouldn’t mind picking him up with the 30th pick.
I’d be happy if we could land either of those WRs in the second round. It’s nice knowing our top priorities are WR and another pass rusher/dline. I don’t think we will draft another RB, unless it’s really late in the draft. Can’t wait to see how we bolster our ranks
by Tdubzord on Jan 26, 2012 9:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't mind another RB.
I don’t like Anthony Dixon at all and cringe every time I see him come in. Especially in short yardage.
4th round at the absolute earliest, however.
It's that blonde, gold, dirty hair that he has going on
I laugh everytime I see him on the sidelines. But we need David Wilson, he’s fast and elusive. I’ve seen this kid play at a few games that I went to at VT. Has to be one of the most athletic players in this year’s draft.
He’s good but we dont need to spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick for depth.
by Tdubzord on Jan 26, 2012 9:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah true but just knowing that Hunter and Wilson would be our featured running backs sounds legit. I would think we draft a WR in the first round. It’s our biggest need along with a corner
OLB is a big need as well
especially if Brooks doesn’t resign
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by mtl9ers14 on Jan 26, 2012 9:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dixon had/has such potential
seeing how he was a beast in college. However, he dances so much behind the line that I wonder if he’ll ever be able to hit the hole at full speed? He is so timid and unsure which hole to hit that he ends up hitting none. He is good on special teams though but I’m not sure that’s enough.
There is nothing wrong with a split second of hesistation to find a hole
When our offensive line cannot consistently open one where it’s supposed to. To run behind our line you have to constantly be looking for cutbacks or defensive lapses opening holes where they aren’t designed to be. He almost popped a big gainer that way against the Giants. Tuck saved the day by grabbing his foot while he was moving it forward.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
But on the next play he got tackled behind the line of scrimmage for a loss on 3rd and 1!
by Whohasitbetterthanus? on Jan 26, 2012 9:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The next play he ran straight ahead and didn't hesistate at all and there was no hole.
Justin Smith didn’t get a good block and our line didn’t get any push whatsoever.
So he should have hesistated then maybe he could have made somebody miss and bounced it outside. Watch the games don’t echo what a bunch of people that don’t know what they are talking about are crowing.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Great runners find the hole
But despite liking the guy he was a bust this year, never had one dominating run, after several in prior year.
If there is no hole there is no hole. If you don't know that you don't understand the most basic tenets of football. You can't have it both ways
Either he runs straight ahead into where the hole is supposed to be and gets nothing like Frank Gore does most of the time…. Or he hesitates behind the line (thereby not “hitting the hole hard” which everybody complains about) and bounces it outside.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Marvin McNutt
I would love to see him in red and gold. He would be steal in the 3rd round but I think he will get taken in the 2nd.
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by Haggardninja on Jan 26, 2012 9:56 AM PST via mobile reply actions
He’s ranked 18th among WR and projected 4-5 round. That’s on cbssports though so I’m not sure how good their rankings are. Also haven’t gotten to see him play much either so I wouldn’t know
I'd expect that to change
As an Iowa native, I’ve seen most of his games and he has been a dominant WR for the Hawkeyes. His biggest downfall is his speed. He’s not slow but he isn’t the fastest guy out there. Great hands and a good route runner. He also was recruited as a QB so there is always that trick play option with him.
I'm in love with a man. A man called Harbaugh. Does that make me gay? Am I gay for Harbaugh? You betcha!
by Haggardninja on Jan 26, 2012 10:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
We have plenty of guys that "aren't slow but..."
Scrap heap
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
According to CBS McNutt is faster than
Jeffery, Floyd Blackmond and a number of the other big receivers. Plus, his name is hilarious, VD, Crabs and McNutt.
Don't trust anything on CBS
The heights are wrong, the estimated 40 times are wrong, and while their final draft big board is pretty darn good for the upper half of the first round, at this time it’s mainly based on pre-season rankings with adjustments for exceptionally good and poor seasons.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Yup - You wanna know how bad their 40 times are?
CBSsports has Robert Griffen 3 running a 4.52
It’ll be closer to a 4.25 than a 4.52
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Laugh all you want since you don't know what you're talking about
This kid ran a 13.3 110 M hurdles in HS. He went to the US Olympic trails as an 18 year old. Had he focused on track he’d be competing with Jeff Demps to be the fastest collegiate athlete in the country. In the 300M hurdles he ran a 35.33. That’s 1/100th of a second off a national HS record. After he goes to a pro conditioning and speed camp prior to the combine he’ll be geared to run the 40 and he’ll turn in a sub 4.4
People laughed when I said Gerhart would run a 4.5 too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Their range on him is ridiculous
4.42 to 4.64. That’s a HUGE difference. I’ve seen him play and he’s a 4.5s guy. Same as Crabs and he’s not that big – 6’ 2-1/2"
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
^That was NFLdraftscouts range
Which is normally pretty good with 40 times but his is really broad.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Draft
I guy who I would like to get in the first round would be Melvin Ingram. I think he could be a Justin Smith like player. He may not be there at 30 but thats my wish list. I think WR could be had in the 2nd and 3rd rnds. We may be set at CB already if Rogers returns. If not we may be fine with just another year under our belts and having our guys that much more developed. I think Jenkins will be a bad egg when he gets payed I just have a bad feeling about him. Some guys the locker room doesnt matter. I also like the idea of starting the Patriot way and trading back. We do have pressing needs but with Baalke calling the shots I think stock piling picks would be epic for the future. We could get some more major contributors without a first round pick.
We should get a draft thread going
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a little first hand scouting since I go to OU...
if the receivers that FO want are gone in the second, Ryan Broyles would be an absolute STEAL in the 3rd. I actually think he might fall that far since he had a pretty bad knee injury this season, nothing he can’t recover from though.
He might fall to the top to middle of the third MAYBE
But no way he’s there at 90+
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
You watched alot of guys FALL FAR
Because of injury so dont be surprised if you seem him in the 4th. Just last year Da’Quan Bowers dropped from top 10 talent to early second rounder.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 26, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Big difference in injuries. Bowers has a horribly degenerative knee. He can't even practice
Broyles isn’t going to get close to the 4th round. And after the way Oklahoma collapsed without him he might not even get out of the 2nd.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Niners trade pick #126 to move up to 27 in the first round
With the 27th pick in the 2012 NFL draft the 49ers select – Peter Konz, Center, Wisconsin. Then we play him at guard while we groom him to be center of the future.
With the 60th pick in the 2012 NFL draft the SF 49ers select – Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
he tore an ACL to end his season on Nov. 5 so that I think is significant. I am not arguing his talent at all. I am just hoping he last til the 4th and the 2nd round is way to early for a sub 6 foot wr coming off a torn acl.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 26, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
He was a low 1st round pick before the injury
The team fell apart without him which actually raises his stock. ACLs are not the end of the world especially in young guys. This isn’t the 70s and he’s not Pete Maravich. He’ll go 2nd to 3rd. He might even be good enough to run at his pro day.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
why do we need to trade up to get Konz?
who do you think will draft him ahead of us?
Texans, Broncos, Packers, Lions, Saints, Falcons
All of those teams could use an upgrade at center and Packers, Lions, Saints, Falcons have solid rosters across the board so they can afford to draft a center
The Texans and Broncos are run first schemes and Konz is their wet dream
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
if the broncos or texans want Conz
then a 4th rounder won’t get us where we need to be
Actually the Texans would probably go after the remaining WR so we might be able to deal with them at 26
Which a 4th rounder is just about right for. If we have to swap with the Lions at 23 it would require our 3rd rounder. And there is a very real chance the Lions take him as their center is hitting the end of the line. Hopefully somebody slides that they like so Konz can slide past them.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that it’s unlikely but this kind of drop happens all the time so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.
by KGboomer on Jan 26, 2012 1:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Broyles ... let's get real. Three of the best draft services have him going in round 4 or 5, admittedly because of late-season injury.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Which ones cause they are wrong
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Some Vid, and Draft analysis of Keenan Robinson
High and low vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJAg8_osV88&feature=related
From MTD: http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/8/27/2387983/keenan-robinson-nfl-draft
Could be that coverage OLB that could play opposite of Aldon if Brooks doesnt return?
Only problem I see from the Vid is if he is strong enough to set the edge in the run game. Could be good prospect in the 3rd or 4th
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Keenan’s a pretty solid player all around. I’ve watched him for years. Good tackler, good angles, pretty good speed for a player his size. I’d love to see him in a Niner uniform. There’s a video somewhere of him running down Griffin III on a QB-keeper from a couple of years ago.
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by SurferHorn257 on Jan 26, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yea i seen that
Dude is fast sideline to sideline. I watched him play against my college squad BYU, and he was everywhere making plays.
Seen his interview in the Senior Bowl, and he mentioned that he could run in the sub 4.5!
Read some good things from the Senior Bowl about his pass rushing as well
If he can do that this kid could be a nice olb to go along with the trio of Aldon, Bowman, and Willis. That’s serious speed all around.
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Jan 26, 2012 2:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
if looking for "coverage" outside linebacker Manny Lawson would have been ideal and is a free agent.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
NICE
You know I caught some crap about mocking Criner to us in the 3rd round. After watching practice at the senior bowl I hope he is even still around late in the 3rd. And looks like we are interested in him. And btw I have gotten away from the Curry in the first after seeing him at the senior bowl. http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/1/2/2677783/early-mock-draft-for-49ers
by San Fran Niners on Jan 26, 2012 12:36 PM PST reply actions
criner is rated pretty low, looks like a real reach in the 3rd round; they have him rated 7nth round or free agent
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to see when that was last updated. I see they say his stock is rising but looking at him this week he is looking very good.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 26, 2012 12:56 PM PST reply actions
nfl draft scout is updated regularly,when it was update not sure.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
They will update it again after the game
Hunter is correct here. NFLdraftscout is updated pretty damn often
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
if this happened what would you think?
1st round, olb is drafted
2nd round rb is drafted
3rd round wr is drafted
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
I would be ok with it
as long as Goldson and Rogers were signed, still think we’d need CB then in the 4th.
I like it if they cant get one of the top wide outs in the first an OLB would be ideal
A RB in the 2nd round is a must
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
What outside linebacker?
Do you think that would be available at 30 yet not a complete waste of our time in this horrible linebacker class?
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
this guy sounds like he can rush the passer pretty darn good
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
And since he can play DE and OLB
And is probably the second best prospect at both positions, by pick 30 we’ll have forgotten who took him already.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Remember
There are usually 5-6 pass rushers drafted in the first round, and usually well before 30.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
not necessarily, there is a good chance he is still there at 30, some mocks have him very early first. there could be many wr and cb drafted in the first round this year
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
With 5-6 rushers taken in the first round
You are hoping that a guy who is clearly one of the top 3 DEs and one of the top 3 rushing OLBs if not top 2 is going to be there 30 picks into the draft?
That’s just not realistic. I’m sorry but it doesn’t happen with the premium teams put on pass rushers.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
quinton coples
nick perry
andre branch
Whitney Mercilus
melvin ingram
courtney upshaw
zach brown
vinny curry
all possible and rated as first round picks.
there are five possible first round picks at cb, four at wr, five at ot, 2 at g, 1 at c, 3 at qb, 2 or 3 at rb, 2 at te, 5 or 6 at dt, and 1 at S
so there are 36 to 38 players rated as possible first round picks, and you have to factor in the raiders trading up to take the fastes player in the draft
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Uhhh yeah
Zach Brown is a 4-3 linebacker.
Vinny Curry isn’t even 2nd round talent.
Ingram and Perry shouldn’t be in the first, Perry due to being a one trick pony with that trick not being that impressive and Ingram because he’s so much of a tweener it’ll take alot of work to have him play either OLB or DE in the pros. But they will be. It’s a horrible class.
You’re padding the list because after listing 6 guys — the number usually gone long before 30, you ran out of legitimate 1st round 3-4 OLB prospects.
It’s no shame to admit you didn’t realize how fast pass rushers worth a 1st round pick go off the board.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
and last year people said that there would be no more than 2 qbs drafted in the first round. All it takes is one team to like someone in the first round and many places have all of those pass rushers rated 1st round and other teams value a player or position higher than the available pass rusher in the first round; like a pointed out there are 36-38 players rated first round with only 32 picks in the first round.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know who was saying that
But they weren’t too bright.
Quarterback, left tackle, and pass rusher is the holy trinity of football. Those go off the board quickly every single year — even when the players going off the board are way overdrafted.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
cb is also becoming part of that three making it a foursome.
2010 there was one de drafted at 31
2011 there were 2 de drafted at 30th and 31st
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
um wut?
Marcell Darius – 5 Tech DE 4-3 DT
Aldon Smith – DE
JJ Watt – DE 4-3 or 3-4
Robert Quinn – DE
Ryan Kerrigan – DE
Adrian Clayborn – DE
Cameron Jordan – DE
Muhammed Wilkerson – DE
Cameron Hayward – DE
I think that’s more than 2
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
really late in the draft with the 30th pick or higher
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I get you... To get somebody of Wilkerson's caliber that late is almost unheard of
That was the deepest DT/DE draft probably ever for elite talent.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
We said there were only 2 QBs WORTH drafting in the first... Maybe 3 if you counted Kaepernick
4 went. Only Cam and Locker should have gone in the first. And Maybe Kaep. Ponder is a 5th rounder. Gabbert is a 2nd or 3rd and needs to be developed. Dalton will never get better than he is now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Locker was my fave QB last season
He will be a franchise QB. I have little doubt,
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
He was mine too
Dude had such bad conditions at UW that it would make a rookie Alex Smith feel happy about his situation.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Lulz...Da Raiderzz
and you have to factor in the raiders trading up to take the fastes player in the draft
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 26, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Guys that go before him
Coples Upshaw
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
who are you looking at with the 1st round OLB.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
melvin ingram or whitney mercilus but i think ingram will be gone by the time we pick
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
think Ingram will be able to cover?
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 1:53 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
not sure, have not seen any scouting reports on his coverage ability.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Not OK
2nd rounder should be going towards a WR. Odds of getting an impact WR fall off a cliff towards the top of the 3rd. You can get a guy who will BECOME an impact player later, but getting a guy that can help now is super rare. Cruz played at U Mass so nobody took him serious and he slipped through the cracks… That happens like once every 5-10 years.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I know TO was drafted in the 3rd round
And as a rookie he was more impressive than JJ Stokes. As I said it can happen, but it is super rare to get a guy that comes in and produces right away. And he in no way produced like VC produced as a rookie.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Cruz isn't a rookie
He is 25 so it’s not possible.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 3:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
2nd year. He went Undrafted in 2010
But he only played in 3 games before getting injured. He was essentially a rookie this year
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I would think it a disaster ... here's why:
1. OLB — except for maybe two guys, very weak OLB class; on the other hand, 2013 will be a very strong year for OLBs.
2. RB — there are two or three RBs worth having … all three will be gone before we draft in the second round. Further, 2013 will be an outstanding class of RBs … we can make it thru another year with Gore/Hunter/Dixon until we get Frank’s replacement in next year’s draft.
3. WR — makes sense, but … it is one of our two biggest needs; why would you wait until the third round unless you were compensating for a major trade made?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 26, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
who are the prospects at olb and rb in 2013?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
The biggest name is Marcus Lattimore.
But we’d have to swing some Ricky Williams ish to get him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Read my "So ... how do we get better next season?" post ... talks about OLB, RB and NT.
By the way, I’d also love to know what you think of my proposed “blockbuster” trade with Indy this year.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 26, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
If he makes it to the third maybe we look at him as a possibility
But purely based on talent he’s a mid round guy. It is realistic that he will go higher because the class is so weak — pathetic actually compared to last years pass rushing haul, but that doesn’t mean we should join in on the reaching frenzy.
As a player we’re talking about a guy that’s doesn’t have a very big toolbox of pass rushing moves, doesn’t seem to know how to use his hands to disengage from a block, is very poor in run support (good hitter but can be driven backward easily), didn’t put up 10 sacks in his entire college career, and the majority of those came against poor competition.
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What do you think of Bruce Irvin?
He is a little small at 245 lbs but he supposed to run a 4.3 or so 40.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
1 down developmental player only
Avoids contact like crazy. Only has 1 move, a fairly average speed rush at the NCAA level. So horrible against the run it isn’t even funny. Played DE in a 3-3-5 so has absolutely no experience dropping. Doesn’t have the great 1st step that could allow his one trick to have anything resembling success in the NFL. I’d have him as a “Do not consider” even in the 3rd.
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oh interesting
Ya he just started playing football so he is still really raw. I thought his athletic ability would be a nice addition.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 2:38 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Last year at the Senior Bowl
We were talking to
Jake Locker, QB
Cameron Jordan, DL
Leonard Hankerson, WR
Vincent Brown, WR
Christian Ballard, DT
Alex Henery, K
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All of them turned out ok.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 1:33 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Uhh.. yeah.
For what definition of ok?
We’ll be talking to lots of guys. I’m just saying that hearing about our scouts talking to a guy is not a reason to make him a new favorite in mocks.
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I think we did actually target Hankerson
Just didn’t work out in the draft.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
totally agree
I think they would have drafted him if he was there in the fourth or fifth for sure
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope so
He looked pretty good in limited play time.
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Yeah he went RIGHT in front of us when we drafted Culliver
I’d be curious if Culliver would be on our team now if Hankerson hadn’t got picked at 79 by the Skins
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Had him as my 5th best WR prospect last year
Jones
Green
Baldwin
Little
Hankerson
T.Smith
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
John Baldwin. Good catch.
Doug Baldwin wasn’t even on my radar.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
9ers may consider trading their 30th draft spot for a 2nd and 4th...
that is what im thinking, then the 9ers will have
2 – 2nd rounders
1 – 3rd
2 – 4th rounders
1 – 5th
1-6th
1- 7th
Total of 8 new rookie draftees.
And remember how our 2011 rookie crop helped us, big time !
Could do it.
What about a next year first and a fourth?
Next year picks are usually discounted a round and it’s a better class.
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kinda like your scenaro...but if we trade for a "next year" 1st and this year 4th
that means we dont get a shot of the draft talent in the 2nd round at all.
I think better if get that additional 2nd rounder & 4 th this year.
The 9ers still have quite a few number of holes to fill some as better quality starters and some as better quality back-ups.
We don’t have a ROCK SOLID 53 man roster….we can improve.
I'd like next years first over this years second.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 2:17 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
ok, so we trade this year’s 1st for an extra 2nd and 4th and then trade a 2nd and 3rd for next year’s first and then trade one 4th to move up higher in the third so this year we have a mid round second, mid round third, midround 4th, end of 5th, 6th and 7th. If you take that trade I’ll throw in a bobblehead kitty for free.
Ya I'd do that
because next year we’ll have two 1sts
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You just want the bobblehead kitty :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 26, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Shh
he might raise the price.
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Find a team that's gonna have a step up in competition or is dependent upon 1 guy not getting injured
and let them tank out. Jacksonville would be the perfect example of this
They have to play Cincy, Miami and Oakland as their 3rd place finishers and they play the NFC North and AFC East. They will probably finish 5-11 again at best
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Hell give then our 1st and 3rd this year to make it happen
Marcus Lattimore 2013 here we come.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
They have Gabbert as the QB 5-11 is a long shot.
Especially if MJD goes down.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 3:20 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
If MJD goes down we're looking at the #1 overall
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Would be awesome
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 3:47 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ougadas ... I absolutely agree.
By the way, would love to know what your evaluation is of my “So … how do we get better next year?” FanPost.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 26, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
kind of wish we'd have traded our first round pick this year for an extra pick in 2011
what a shock that would have been for our trading partner, probably wouldn’t got back in around pick 20.
Our 3rd and this years first to NE for #18
Picked Nate Solder and then moved Davis to RG
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
How would you rate this draft?
1stWhitney Mercilus olb/de
2nd Billy Winn de
3rd Trumaine Johnson cb
4th Alameda Ta’Mua dt
Defense would be stacked except for the safety position.
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Well, this year again proved Defense Wins Championships....
your draft not bad,and clearly make our defense all the more kick ass….but I assume if the 9ers did use the first 4 rounds on more D….then they already signed their F/A Big Time WR.
morgan should be a starter next year if alex smith is back.
alex has a good football relationship with morgan
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
qb issues on both teams…………..
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
have you heard of Justin Smith? How about Ray McDonald. Why spend a 2nd round pick on a guy you know will sit the bench.
line depth and he could end up being justin smith’s replacement
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot, do they do any measurable workouts like 40 times or anything at the senior bowl?
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nope that's the combine
They just do weigh ins and such
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Here is a draft tip....9ers like drafting ,the biggest,strongest,fastest "Mighty Men"
Balke believes Bigger bodies hold up more physically over the course of a season.
But he does have to temper that with Fangio
“Not wanting just a bunch of big fat guys on the line”
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I am not sure that Baalke buys in to that theory.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
everyone we drafted was athletic
And hunter isn’t that big.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 2:41 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
How tall is Drew Brees?
Is Brees really like 5’11? Comparing height to Kellen Moore, will someone take Kellen Moore in the second round like Brees? What are the chances that Kellen Moore goes undrafted?
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no, that is brandon weeden I think
Kellen Moore is the qb that is not 6’3-6’6 and if he was he would probably be rated 1st or near 1st round in the draft if he was taller.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
If he was that height
He would rank higher than Luck.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
that is what I am thinking
but it intrigues me that they have him rated so low in the draft when it is just his height that seems to be his biggest hindrance. teams might to grab him in the 2nd-4th round….
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
he also doesn't have that strong of an arm.
Not that great mechanics too.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
either did brees
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
The biggest thing is that he's short, doesn't have a cannon and is 170 lbs soaking wet
Oh and he gets all day to pass and rarely gets hit.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
he weighted 191 this week
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012weighinQB.php
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Height is no Moore's only drawback ... considered to have a very weak arm, comparatively.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Poor mechanics
So he doesn’t get a lot on his throws.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 3:57 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
well, Kaepernick would have been a first rounder last year if the price was cheaper to trade back in the first round
then I think you would ask if Kaepernick is better than Ryan Tannehill and seeing where the Niners pick this year vs. last year and being in the same position as far as qb depth I would say yes if the Niners like Tannehill over Kaepernick.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
There has been no evidence of that
Kind of like Crabtree wants to go to the Cowboys
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Probably with it like it is now
If Barkley and Jones came out probably not.
Kaep’s ceiling is Burj Dubai. Tannehill’s is like a rundown Chicago apartment building
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Rainey
Wants to run a 4.1 at the combine. Umm if he runs a 4.1 do we look at him as a KR/PR.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 3:53 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
4.1?
has anyone told him that the fastest time since the NFL moved to mechanized timeing is 4.24?
well, according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40-yard_dash
raiders drafted five of them on that list lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
Lol Bo never ran a 4.1
He loves to perpetuate that lie. Justin Gatlin’s converted 40 split (adjusting for the .25 reaction to the pistol shot) when he ran a 9.85 WR was a 4.17
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
To put it in perspective
Darrell Green ran a 10.08 100 M
Deion Sanders ran a 10.21 100
Bo Jackson ran a 10.39 100
Even Darrell Green doesn’t claim better than a 4.15 and he’s the second fastest man after Bullet Bob Hayes to wear an NFL uniform.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
but that what the man wants
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maybe just this years derrick locke
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 26, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Dang I loved this Season , but picking 30th sucks ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
We need an upgrade at WR this season
and I would love for us to look at Marvin Jones (Cal) this draft. Keenan Allen got all the attention but Jones was rock solid on the field this year. He shows great awareness about where he is on the field and is responsible for his fair share of spectacular sideline catches
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