Official NN NFL Draft FanPost
by David Fucillo on Jan 26, 2012 2:43 PM PST
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PrintFooch's Note: This FanPost was written by San Fran Niners, but I thought I'd use it as the basis for our first NFL Draft FanPost. People are welcome to create new FanPosts related to the draft, but ideally these "Official" FanPosts will be the place to focus in a lot of conversation. If you have serious detail to go into that's fine, but if you just want to throw out some of your ideas for the draft, let's use this FanPost for now.
Also, San Fran Niners name used to be on this but I changed it to my name so people will know it's the "official" FanPost. The mock draft below was done entirely by San Fran Niners. Everything below here was written by San Fran Niners.
I am assuming Goldson, and Ginn are gone in FA.
Round 1
Alshon Jeffery*, WR, South Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 233.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
All season, South Carolina was awful at getting the most out of one of its most dangerous weapons. Jeffery's production was held back by poor quarterback play, but he still commanded a lot of extra coverage. At the same time, Jeffery had some struggles with getting separation. For the NFL, he should drop some weight to get faster. His 40-time at the Scouting Combine could have a big impact on his draft rank.
Jeffery ended his season with a bang, literally. Going against Nebraska's Alfonzo Dennard, Jeffery had a huge game catching four passes for 148 yards and a touchdown. He toasted Dennard for a 78-yard reception on a deep post, but Dennard caught Jeffery from behind to prevent a touchdown. His touchdown came when he out jumped a pack of players for a Hail Mary touchdown as the first half expired. In the third quarter, Jeffery and Dennard got into a fight and both were ejected from the game. For the season, Jeffery has 49 receptions for 762 yards and eight touchdowns. He also was a quality blocker for South Carolina. Jeffery broke his hand, but still caught a touchdown pass against Clemson in the regular season finale.
(Alternate Pick)
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
Height: 5-10. Weight: 191.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Arm: 30 3/8. Hand: 8 1/4.
This year, Jenkins returned 18 punts for 390 yards (21.7 average) with three touchdown returns and a long return of 92 yards. He also put together 53 tackles with four tackles for a loss, six passes broken up, two interceptions and a fumble returned 49 yards for a score. Obviously, Jenkins dominated weak competition as he was supposed to. His draft stock is dependent on him staying out of legal trouble and interviewing well with teams in the months prior to the draft.
Round 2
Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 202.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Martin has had a good senior season and had a bigger presence than his stats illustrate. Entering his bowl game, Martin totaled 65 tackles (52 solo) with four tackles for a loss, nine passes broken up and two forced fumbles. He had a strong showing against Texas A&M in a big road win for Oklahoma State. Martin is a natural free safety who patrols the deep part of the field well. He has good speed and covers a lot of ground. Martin also doesn't shy away from getting physical.
(Alternate Pick)
Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Height: 5-9. Weight: 219.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Arm: 29 7/8. Hand: 9 1/8.
Martin put together a quality senior season. He averaged five yards per carry with 1,299 yards rushing and 16 touchdowns in 2011. Martin also has contributed 28 receptions for 263 yards and two scores. He is a well-rounded back who has three down potential in the NFL. Out with an injury, the Broncos missed him a lot in their one loss against the Horned Frogs. Martin also is a skilled kick returner and averaged 34 yards per return this season. In the NFL, he could be a good option as part of a running back rotation. Martin is a sudden runner with good quickness and cutting ability.
Round 3
Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.62.
Criner was productive this season with 75 receptions for 956 yards and 11 touchdowns. He the most reliable and consistent weapon for quarterback Nick Foles. An appendectomy kept Criner out against Oklahoma State, and Arizona really missed him. He excels at jump balls downfield. Criner looks like a potential possession receiver in the NFL who could be a good redzone weapon. He reportedly has some off-the-field concerns.
(Alternate Pick)
Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
Criner and Allen are both showing up big at the senior bowl. I have watch Criner beat the CB's on a consistent bases and made amazing catches. And Allen has stuffed everyone from Coples to Upshaw.
Round 4
Brett Roy, 3-4 DE/4-3 DT, Nevada
Height: 6-4. Weight: 280.
Projected 40 Time: 4.84.
Roy has had an excellent senior season. He has recorded 64 tackles with 18.5 tackles for a loss and 10 sacks thus far. In his first season as a starter, in 2010, Roy recorded 50 tackles with 14.5 tackles for a loss and eight sacks. He was a force in the WAC conference this year, notching sacks against Oregon and Boise State. For the NFL, Roy will need to add a lot of weight and strength to stay inside at tackle. His best fit could be as a five technique in a 3-4 defense.
(Alternate Pick)
Ryan Broyles, WR/PR, Oklahoma
Height: 5-11. Weight: 185.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Broyles' stock is hard to estimate after he tore an ACL to end his season on Nov. 5 against Texas A&M. For the year, he had 83 receptions for 1,157 yards and 10 touchdowns. Broyles also returned 19 punts for 196 yards. He was very consistent this season before the injury. Broyles displayed great hands, runs good routes, toughness and intelligence. In his collegiate career, the senior wide out caught 349 passes for 4,586 yards and 45 touchdowns. He also returned a total of 108 punts for 1,194 yards (11.1 average) and two scores.
Even with Broyles' massive production, he could be an underrated playerm, especially coming off the injury. Broyles should be fine for his rookie season, but he may not be able to work out much prior to the draft. In the NFL, Broyles projects to being a strong slot receiver who has the ability to make some plays downfield.
Round 5
Akiem Hicks, NT, Regina (Transfer from LSU)
Height: 6-5. Weight: 324.
"Regina DL Akiem Hicks is the best Canadian prospect I've seen at #shrinegame in 3 yrs ... explosive, dominating (one-on-ones), #nfldraft." - Wes Bunting, the National Football Post's director of college scouting, on Twitter.
- "University of Regina DT Akiem Hicks looks the part of a standout defensive lineman at nearly 6-5, 325 pounds. He was very impressive during one-onone drills (Tuesday), showcasing impressive initial burst off the snap for his size, power on his bull rush and the length to routinely gain leverage ... He has the skill set to not only make an NFL roster, but also mature into a solid contributor with some experience in either a 34 or 43 front." - Bunting on the NFP website, where he ranked Hicks as the 10th-best prospect from the week.
"He definitely has some work to do before he is NFLready, but he has raw ability ... NFLDraftScout.com has considered Hicks as a seventh-round or free-agent projection, but if he continues to impress, he certainly could climb on some charts." - Dane Brugler of NFLDraftScout.com.
Round 6
Chris Rainey, WR/RB/KR/PR, Florida
Height: 5-8. Weight: 178.
Projected 40 Time: 4.33.
Arm: 30 3/4. Hand: 9 1/2.
Rainey started out the season with a bang but tailed off in conference play. He was banged up and was unable to maintain his productivity while playing injured. Rainey totaled 861 yards rushing with three touchdowns this year. He also caught 31 passes for 381 yards and two touchdowns. Helping Rainey's draft stock is his punt-blocking prowess. He has six blocked kicks in his collegiate career. Rainey has off-the-field concerns stemming from aggravated-stalking charges from 2010.
Round 7
Adrian Robinson, DE/OLB, Temple
Height: 6-2. Weight: 248.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.
Robinson had a quality senior season with 52 tackles with 13.5 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks and one interception. He is a quality sleeper prospect who could be worth grooming on the back end of the roster or practice squad while adding some size for the NFL.
All of the projected rounds are mostly based off of http://www.nfldraftscout.com
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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is it just me?
Or does Alshon sound like Crabtree just a few inches taller?
by sundaysfinest on Jan 26, 2012 3:28 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
So another 73 catches and nearly 900 yards?
Cool!
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-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 26, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not that good and slipping down the draft boards for a reason
I hope we don’t take him.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
You guys do remember that Crabtree dominated the NCAA
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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In Mike Leach's offensive system where his only job was to run over less-talented DBs for YAC
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by FearTheTree on Jan 26, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Still highly dominant
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73 catches, 900 yards, didn't play 16 games, conservative O w/Alex Smith as the QB
Michael Crabtree’s a baller…
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 28, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it was along the lines that he got 27% of the total yards in a run happy team
thats not bad for a #2 WR.
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Yet he faded away when the games mattered most..
He’s talented but he’s got some serious work he needs to put in if he wants to start in the NFL. Right now he’s a poor man’s Josh Morgan.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Thats bullshit
thats complete and utter bullshit.
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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by manraj7 on Jan 29, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually its not bullshit
because even a bull wouldn’t shit that nonsense.
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by manraj7 on Jan 29, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Are you trying to tell me his 3 drops against the Saints was showing up?
Did that instill some sort of magical confidence in Alex, who (smartly) decided not to look his way as he was being blanketed in one-on-one against Corey Webster (whose pretty pathetic himself)?
Josh Morgan was our best WR, and he was Mr. Reliable on 3rd down till he got hurt. To call Crabtree a poorer version of Morgan isn’t really a stretch.
Crabtree needs to put in the effort and dedication if he wants to stick on this team as a starter who contributes. Don’t mistake this team for the 6-10 horseshit that Nolan and Sing put on. This is a SB contender for the next many years. You can’t have half-ass WRs starting on your team.
The truth is that Crabs is nothing more than depth on some of these other playoff teams.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Dedication and effort?
Are you kidding me? Crabtree is always blocking for run plays. And how do you know that Crabtree was covered nonstop vs Corey Webster? Do you have the game tape? Will he be open every play? No he won’t not even Jerry Rice was open every play hell in the post season where Fitzgerald caught on fire he wasn’t even open on half of his catches. Its called having confidence in throwing the ball and Alex doesn’t have that.
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by manraj7 on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Never questioned his ability as a run blocker where he is, no doubt, superb
And the Jerry Rice and Fitzgerald comparison is completely inane. They have a history of showing up HUGE in playoff games.
Crabtree: 5 rec, 24 yards. 3 drops. Barely any separation.
And even when he does get the slightest separation, do you really want Alex Smith to force the ball to a receiver known to tip the ball or drop it? Harbaugh’s NUMBER ONE rule for quarterbacking and this goes to his time as a quality control coach at Oakland is for his QB to PROTECT THE FOOTBALL. That means that any drive that ends with a kick is a successful drive.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
run blocking is effort
Its not the WR primary job and if you want to see a WR that doesn’t put in effort he will not be run blocking.
If want to talk about confidence Harbaugh seems to have it for people that make mistakes. Hell Kyle Williams was kept in the game even after screwing up. In fact you can look up any WR that dropped a couple passes in a game that no decent QB would give up on. Especially if he is the best WR on the team.
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really barely any seperation; support it! show me it
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
I saw it during the game.
Go back and watch the tape if you can stomach it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
bullllllllllllllllllllllsh*t
you know as well as anyone that you can’t really tell jack about who did what until you see the endzone film — the all22 — and see EACH PLAY like 20 times.
Was Crab unable to get open consistently, was Alex unable to see him, was he open but Alex was too cautious, was he open but Alex was running for his life?
i don’t know and you don’t know for sure… you have a hunch, fine. so do other people. but the CERTAINTY to which you SPIN YOUR ARGUMENT is MORE BULLSH*T on your part because YOU KNOW BETTER.
you know you CAN’T SUPPORT YOUR OWN ARGUMENT of barely any seperation by viewing the broadcast, yet that’s exactly what your suggest HH go and do. go ahead… tell me where my logic’s flawed on this one.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 31, 2012 2:54 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Love Josh, but he's never put up more than 52 receptions.
And it is ridiculous to state that Crabs is not putting in effort and dedication. All of his teammates rave about his work ethic and how much of a professional he is. What evidence do you have stating otherwise? You don’t have to like the way he plays, but saying he doesn’t work hard is utter nonsense.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Because Alex couldn't throw the ball to a WR during the Giants game.
Its obviously the WRs fault.
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When they are covered you don't throw to them if you don't want the ball intercepted.
Had Kyle Williams not turned the ball over we win. It’s that simple. It’s Harbaugh’s formula and it was going to work again.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
all this diva talk about Crabtree
has absolutely no proof to it….
by KGboomer on Jan 29, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude don't you know he is a Cowboy fan.
He is obviously trying to take down the 49ers before he moves on to Dallas…
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I assume most players from Texas are Cowboy fans.
Maybe we should just not draft anymore prospects from Texas and play it safe, you can never be too certain…
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 29, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Merton Hanks was a freaking Cowboys fan
Do you think I give a fart? NO. He was supremely dedicated to helping us win.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I say we cut Patrick WIllis...
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haha, yeah obviously! And all that practice he missed during preseason for a measly broken foot? pssshhh walk it off its only a broken bone…
Like I say
He can’t prevent that. But he can prevent holding out as a rookie, calling out his QB, and fighting with our offense’s best leader in VD.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
he was getting bad advice from his agent and from deion sanders
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
So he doesn't have any accountability
Cool.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
He does he is a man
he should take responsibiity for his own actions.
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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not saying that's not true
but when a HOF’er is giving you advice, it’s hard to ignore him
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Right
I’m a HOF and I tell you to go do something horrible, do you do it?
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's what bothers me the most about it.
People think he’s a diva because he quiet, or because he has had injuries and can’t play. This is all I can come up with.
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 29, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus Christ
When the hell have I called him a diva? When have I called him out before the playoffs?
It was his pathetic showing in the postseason and his calling out of Alex that really turned me off against him. He’s talented but he needs to get his head checked and get back in the game.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith needs to be called out!
Other people have called him out also and the film supports this as fact!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Right
A 27-year old QB in his first year orchestrating a team that was a perennial laughing stock into the playoffs.
Smith did everything expected of him and that is a.) execute b.) don’t turn it over. Those rules aren’t catered to Smith but rather those are rules that Harbaugh has dished out to every QB he has ever mentored (you would know this if you followed Stanford or USD).
Crabtree failed in his part and that’s performing as an effective No. 1 wideout. Explain to me why VD was the only viable threat against anyone this postseason. It’s because our WR corps was comprised of an at-best No. 2 WR in Crabtree, a failure as a WR (who got injured) in Ginn, a concussion-case of a WR in Willians, a cast-off from Green Bay that did nothing with Swain, and some random dude off the practice squad.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
right, all their fault that the ball was not thrown to them when they were wide open? so what is a wideout supposed to do besides be wide open? bring a chair out and sit down on the field, waive a huge freaking sign to show the qb he is open? Alex Smith showed and was exactly who he was and it was only his fault for going 0-13 or 1-13 on third down! The defense and special teams carried this team all year all alex had to do was make a few plays and not screw everything up and he, alex smith, failed to make plays. the wide outs were open! gore was open, hunter was open. keep lying to yourself
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
They weren't wide open. And if you read anybody's report that was at the game
Or the media reports that have seen the film… Or the announcers that were at the game broadcasting it…. Nobody was getting open. They can name 1 route for Crabtree and 1 route for Delanie when they got open.
When you can name a specific route where somebody got open that means they weren’t open nearly enough. And the Walker route he wasn’t open when he needed to be. He got open later in the route when Alex had already gone to the next reads.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
keep the blanket over your head
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Why do I keep hearing KW is a concussion case?
Wasn’t it just the one against Seattle or were there more?
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 29, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
He has a history for concussions
Last year he had one, this year he had one, and I think he’s had 2 severe ones in college.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, damn. Hopefully that trend won't continue.
"I believe in you guys in the media. I believe that you will find a way to doubt this team. Just as long as what's written is written against us we'll be happy." - Jim Harbaugh
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 29, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
he got a cheap shot from robinson that would have gave anyone a concusion.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
0-13 or 1-13 on third down is horribly pathetic; horribly
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
This all falls on the QBs shoulders right. Not on the receivers dropping passes, not getting separation, not on the playcalling straying away from the run game. Not on the O-Line. RIGHT.
I’d say 0-13 is a pretty figure compared to 5 picks because Alex tried to force the ball to a blanketed Crabtree.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
THEY WERE OPEN
first third down, alex smith threw the ball behind gore when alex had plenty of time. ya, all gores fault. Wide open Kyle Williams and a lame duck thrown; all kyle williams fault for not catching the duck. how many balls at the wideouts feet?
do not believe them believe all of the successful qb at halftime that said there was plays to be made down field! Not open is false and a lie!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Kyle Williams throw was pathetic
But you have to understand the Cosell brings up like 3 plays which is clearly not indicative of the game.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
he sights them as examples and they called alex smith out during the halftime show and they said the same thing!!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
They said he needs to start connecting on his deep routes down the field.
Because he missed the Kyle Williams deep ball. Funny how Manning missed them… And the Giants D made Rodgers and Matt Ryan look horrible.
Alex played significantly better against the Giants D than Rodgers did.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
they said there was plays down field that needed to be made because people were open!!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
People are going to just start ignoring you because its obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’ve pretty much started. The other big boys on the site that know football aren’t far off I assure you.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
Already there , dude has blinders on ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
oh "boy".....!!!!!!!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Needs to change his name too ...
I have no clue
Hungry Hunter …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
great job eddgy, anything that is edggy?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
right, your exaggeration on everything!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
there were several times where crabtree was open and Alex just threw it at his feet
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Who dropped a pass vs the Giants?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
14 passes were dropped
Didn’t Alex go 12-26?
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I don't get it
When has this “Assassinate Alex” bandwagon formed?
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
I joined after the season was over
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I was on the Alex is gonna be better next year bandwagon long enough.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
And he hasn't??
What part of 14-4 isn’t to your liking? If you say a Lombardi, all you have to do is look at KW.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Not really, the game could have been won in regular time.
How many attempts to get 3 points after the score was tied did the offense get. QB needs to get the O to produce.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Agreed Alex Smith is the reason why we have to resign Ginn
We can’t depend on Smith to go 80 yards every drive. If we want points we have to get it via good field position.
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What the hell do you guys want?
Brees? Rodgers? Brady? Manning? Manning? Romo?
Our team isn’t predicated on this type of success. Our success is in ball-control, defense, ST, and a reliable QB who is emerging btw.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
NO, but I'll take someone better than Alex.
He’s going to be resigned, I don’t like it but it’s the case, I’d rather have another player.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
There is no one better than Alex.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
available that is.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Best comment this evening.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning(s), Stafford, Romo, Rivers
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they will all do
Honestly I just want an offense.
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You said Romo.
Your opinion on football is no longer valid. You just made yourself look like a complete fool. You may as well have just said McNabb. Oh wait. You were one of the people that wanted McNabb before this season. NM. You were always a twit
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
And you just made information up.
Never once did I say I wanted McNabb. Nice to know you can’t have a conversation without resorting to personal attacks. Surprised how you are not banned yet when you are the most offensive person on the board.
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by manraj7 on Jan 30, 2012 8:03 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
yeeowch...
score one for the iguana!
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
chameleon
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There is a big difference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pitryqp9_dQ
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someone has to make it interesting lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Jeez...
The only other QB that might’ve stood a chance at a blowout is Brady or Rodgers.
And you really expect us to blow the NYG out of the water? All that counts are wins and Kyle Williams directly cost us it.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Blowouts is not what I am talking about.
More than 2 or 3 great passes per game is a start. You know you are only going to get 2 to 3 great passes per game with Smith, I know I do.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Alex played better than Rodgers against them
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:11 AM PST up reply actions
0-13 or 1-13 is not better!!!
football people are going to start ignoring you!! the lowest third down conversion possible. Seven three and outs in the giants game. that is clearly not better
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
No he didn't... NOT EVEN CLOSE
And you know you’re lying thru your teeth on this one as well.
Rodgers was a little off — by his standards — vs the Giants. But he still played well.
He had nearly TEN PASSES DROPPED in that game. Quite possibly a different game if that didn’t happen (though the Giants should have had the Jennings fumble early on and got HOSED).
Alex didn’t even perform CLOSE to as well as Rodgers did. You know that as well as anyone. Don’t be foolish.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 31, 2012 2:58 AM PST up reply actions
+1
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 31, 2012 2:55 AM PST up reply actions
He was well on his way to that this year. 5 games in he had 15 catches on 19 targets
at 14.7 YPC for 12 1st downs. Those were comparable to Kenny Britt who had 17 catches on 26 targets for 17 YPC for 14 1st downs.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
effort and dedication 0-13 or 1-13; all day
who has alex smith most successful with at wr; crabtree; and tape shows they were open
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
That link doesn't lead to tape
It leads to someone talking about tape and making conclusions from the tape but doesn’t show any tape.
I’m from Missouri.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
right, go find the tape and see it for yourself.
he was not the only person who said that!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Just saying
How hard is it to post the evidence when you want to break something down? At least a screenshot?
But no, we aren’t allowed to see All 22, and we just have to take the NFL’s word for it. No thanks. Their profit motive is to tell a story, not to educate us about football.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Would end a lot of uncertain debates that's for sure
But the fuggin NFL is full of greedy corporate horses.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
ok, deny the truth
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
How is it the truth?
What evidence has been presented? Why can’t we be shown if it is so cut and dry?
“This is confirming what I already believe” is not proof.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
As I said. The other knowledgable people will just start to ignore you
Post less learn more.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
so you do not have any facts so you resort to writting nonsense.
just write blah blah blah next time.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
ItBunz... Hate to break it to you......
You’re not considered one of the more knowledgeable people on this site.
You THINK you know so much more about football than you really do…
That may be a BITTER PILL to swallow, but choke it down my man. If you allow yourself to actually LISTEN and THINK w/out constantly trying to win internet debates, you might just become more knowledgeable.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 31, 2012 3:03 AM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah...
And spare me your angry “look who’s talking” blahblahblah reply, btw.
instead, consider your own words “read more, post less.”
how much DRAFT INSIGHT/OPINION do i give, for example? NOT MUCH AT ALL. Why not? i don’t follow college football very closely so MY OPINIONS on the subject aren’t worth much.
your general knowledge of football is good and you know the x’s and o’s better than most, but your own BELIEF IN HOW WELL YOU KNOW THE X’s and O’s is your downfall.
You think you have an ADVANCED UNDERSTANDING of the game, but you don’t. You think you do, but you don’t.
When it comes to analyzing alex and his footwork and his reads, or crab and all the fine details of playing wr, or all of that stuff, etc. Just STOP.
You don’t yet even understand all that you don’t understand.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 31, 2012 3:10 AM PST up reply actions
Jim...Jim Mora? :-)
Sorry but read “You think you do, but you don’t.” And so totally saw Mora in my mind. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 5, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
lol, rec
even a bull wouldn’t shit that nonsense.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
manraj... MY.NEW.HERO.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 31, 2012 2:48 AM PST up reply actions
Gore also failed to catch passes three feet behind him in the playoffs also right? I mean they all should catch passes out of bounds or passes that are not thrown right?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Actually I forgot about Gore
He played the worst. Did he even catch a ball during the playoffs? Because I only remembers his drops but it seems captain checkdown always finds him.
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first play of the giants game, 5 feet behind him while he was running the opposite direction that the ball was thrown and alex had plenty of time but all gores fault!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Hell ya its Gore fault
Alex Smith is the best QB evaaaaaa. Sign him to a 56 year 107984128941298 bazillion dollar deal.
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its gazzilion lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
bazillion is bigger
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man, back to school for me, lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
lol
after reading this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indefinite_and_fictitious_numbers
they’re probably all the same number
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lol
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Either you're being sarcastic or your full of it today..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxMz5h11CU
Watch this and try not to cry.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
all those under passes when crabtree was open; look at the very few first plays
crabs was wide open
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Why do people pretend they understand Mike Leach's offensive philosophy?
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
wow, quite the comment string you created
I would agree with that assessment, Alshon is a tall Crabtree, which means he’d be an upgrade over the guys we have.
I.e a tall possession WR
that in a couple of years people will wish we didn’t draft him…
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but a taller crabtree would make sense
Alex has just foresee the future with Alshon and is practicing his jump balls
Demarcus Dobbs is Our Future
also you forgot to mention that Jeffery didn't produce in college
a good WR can produce even with a bad QB
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To be fair he didn't have any QB this year after Garcia's dumb ass got himself kicked off the team.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
People put up numbers with worse
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Rainey wants to run a 4.1 at the combine...
If he does that I think we should move him up a little.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 3:58 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Alshon Jefferey is a bust waiting to happen...
Dude struggled with weight issues…and he’s not that great of a receiver. Think more Mike Williams than Larry Fitzgerald.
Give me Mohamed Sanu.
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Sanu
You guys gotta understand this is BPA at a need. I think if Sanu has a good combine he will be gone before 30.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 26, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
This did not impress me in the slightest
Horrible hands, poor athleticism, bad routes. I wouldn’t take him at 60
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Nick Toon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanu
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Toon deserves a close look
And he’s played with Scott Tolzien at Wisconsin in a West Coast style offense. NOt sure of Toon’s speed. Like someone bigger and faster than Crabtree.
Toon's not that fast... But he's a jump ball target who makes diving catches anywhere on the field and has spatial awareness of his body and his feet.
I think he’s got a significant level of improvement capable with his build also
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
And concerning Toon
At the college level you can consistently get separation with athleticism. In the NFL unless you are still something special athletically, and most aren’t, you have to create that space with precise route running that loses minimal speed on the route.
Toon’s very smooth. I like the kid.
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Agreed. Big, graceful kid.
His father’s (Al Toon) son. Went to the same school. Good pedigree. Got his head on straight and has a strong family support network. Has been taught how to be a pro receiver since he started playing ball. I think he’s a great pick at 30
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
He has injury problems though
If he’s healthy, he’s a nice prospect.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 28, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the Niners care all that much about injuries
Aldon Smith broke his ankle
Cully tore his Pecs
Hunter was injury prone in college
I guess if you can play and you are athletic you can be a niner.
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ignore the comment below
you answered my question
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Also there's a bit of exaggeration there...
If he was there in the 2nd round yah he’s probably worth taking because you can probably fix his flaws and he is a good blocker. But wouldn’t touch him at 30. He’s worth somewhere around 50th-60th pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Watch how much crisper Toon's footwork and cuts are on his routes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vh5XWeLch8&feature=related
He also seems like a kid that’s got his head on straight and he’s played a higher caliber of competition than Rutgers throughout his career.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
where is Toon projected to go?
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I respectfully disagree
He does not in any way shape or form have horrible hands, athleticism, or routes. His biggest flaw is his straight-line speed.
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I am totally confused! Why would we use this as a our "starting draft FanPost"? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Here's why ...
Let’s start with positional priorities. It seems to me that our priorities should be:
1. On offense: WR RB OG
2. On defense: CB FS SS OLB DE NT
But, let’s modify that; this is NOT a good year to prospects at RB, OLB and NT; in all three cases, next year’s draft will be far superior. It wouid therefore seen that the focus should be WR CB FS SS DE OG; IF we do a good job of addressing these positions this year, we can go gangbusters next year on RB, OLB and NT, when there will be an outstanding group of prospects available at each position.
Now, let’s examine the proposed mock draft against these criteria:
Pick #30: Alshon Jeffrey. I agree … he will probaby be available at #30, and, if so, is the logical selection. However, if he is not available, a CB is appropriate … but certainly NOT Jenkins. Why? Not only is he a character problem, but he is just too small to cover the big receivers that we will be playing against, assuming that we continue to be in the playoffs (Can you picture him trying to cover Megatron, Colston, et. al.?). By most draft services, both Chase Minnifield (Virginia) and Stephen Gilmore (South Carolina) are rated higher than Jenkins, admittedly largely for character reasons.
Pick#62: Markelle Martin. OK, I agree, he is appropriately ranked (69-64). But do you really want to draft a safety here if your two most important needs are WR and CB? Seems to me that if you got Jeffrey at #30, CB Trumaine Johnson (Montana) would be a far superior selection to Martin. On the other hand, if you select CBs Jenkins/Minnifield/Gilmore at #30, picking WR Dwight Jones (North Carolina) or WR Brian Quick (Appalachian State) is a far better pick … or even Coby Fleener (Stanford TE), if he were still available. As to alternative Doug Martin. Yeah, this is about the right pick level for him … but why would you select him here when you could do FAR BETTER at the same pick next year?
Pick#94: Juron Criner. What? This guy’s highest rating by ANY scouting service is 7th round … most have him as a UFA. Why in the world would we pick him in the 3rd round? There are at least 20 other WR prospects that are rated higher.
As an alternative … Jeff Allen. What? First, he’s a tackle … we don’t need another tackle prospect. Worse, he is rated by ALL draft services as a 6th round selection … why would we pick him in the third round?
Pick#126: Brett Roy. OK, we could use help at DE, but he’s really a DT and rated as a 5th rounder by most draft services, so why draft him in the 4th round? Broyles? First question … why would you consider drafting another 5’10" wide receiver? We’ve already got too many small WRs. If you’re going to draft another WR (whether or not you got Jeffery) it ought to be somebody who can help out in the Red Zone.
Pick #158: Akiem Hicks. Most services don’t even rate this guy. Soap is OK for another year. Wouldn’t it be better to pick a much better prospect next year?
Pick #190: Chris Rainey. OK, this is about the right level pick for him; but … why would we select another COPRB when we already have Hunter, who is a far better all around back?
Pick#222: Adrian Robinson. Most services have him rated as a UFA, but that’s beside the real point … why would we want to draft yet another DE/OLB, particularly in a year of weak candidates?
Sorry … I don’t intend to be negative or disrespectful, but it just seems to me that this proposed mock draft wouldn’t really help the Nners out very much. Accordingly, I would be very disappointed if these selections were to be made.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 26, 2012 7:26 PM PST reply actions
Well starting with the ratings. We are picking 30th right? so if a guy has a 3rd round grade then I am gonna mock them in the 2nd cause of how far back we are. As far as Martin goes Like i said before the jump I don’t think Goldson is coming back so we need a FS high and he is the top rated FS on most sites. And I will have nothing to deffend my placement of Criner and Jeff Allen until the draft but If you watch the tape and watch the senior bowl you will see why I see them having a major jump in stock. Coples,Upshaw and Ingram are top 5 pass rushers in this draft and Allen stuffed them all. And If you follow any of my posts I think we need a RT so we can move Davis inside. And Roy is a DT IN A 4-3!!!!! but a 5 tech DE in a 3-4 which is what we run, We need someone to groom for when Smith leaves and before someone realizes our D-line couch should be their new Head Coach. And NT take a while to develop and Hicks has alot of upside. And Rainey can play WR HB and Return kicks and he was a special teams ace at Florida. So considering I think Ginn might be gone we need a KR and he can do so much that he has great value as a 6th round pick. And picking 30th in the 7th is right around a UDFA has value on special teams and could be a sleeper as a rush LB
by San Fran Niners on Jan 26, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Criner will go in the 2nd round!!!
And I love the Robinson pick in the 7th.. but I think he’ll go in the late 6th – early 7th too.
Someone please tell me
why is Cornerback still considered a need?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Depth
At least I believe so. I liked the play out of Rogers and Brown and I see a future in Cully. But after that we got nothing. Norman 6’1 4.45-4.67 40 might be a good prospect. He killed at the Shrine game and he just got invited to the senior bowl.
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by manraj7 on Jan 26, 2012 10:02 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Culliver-Brown-Rogers is a great tandem
But after that we do have depth. Tramaine Brock and Cory Nelms are both very promising young players. Spencer probably goes but he was decent depth.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 26, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
We haven't seen Nelms play
and Brock isn’t that good. We can’t say that we have decent depth when we never even got to see them play. I was excited for Holcomb before he got injured. Hopefully he will make the squad next year.
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Holcomb is promising too
Brock has been real good this season in limited action. I’m guessing you’re basing your assessment on Brock on that TD catch on him vs. the Giants. He screwed up on that play, yeah, but Reggie Smith did so even more. That’s the real guy we need to replace. Him and Madieu Williams. If Goldson/Whitner go out for whatever reason, we’re left with these guys starting and our D will become pathetic.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 26, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
True that
but the talent in the draft and FA for safeties isn’t that great. I guess there is Martin from OSU but I dunno about him.
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Suposedly this guy has been tearing it up at the Senior Bowl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0t11dVsS7g
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Here is an article that is written on him and some other links
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517631/harrison-smith (stats)
Honestly haven’t found anything bad about him yet.
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That's because there is nothing bad about Harrison Smith.
He’s even a Smith.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
i forgot about the smith factor; lol welcome to the niners Harrison Smith
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 27, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Fixed
i forgot about the smith factor; lol welcome to the niners smiths, Harrison Smith
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But…would the Niners still be able to stay under the Smith Cap with Harrison Smith on board?
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Brock is actually younger than Culliver
And has only gotten a handful of plays to get any kind of game experience. He didn’t do that badly against the Giants. He was beaten on a couple plays but we got lucky and the ball was thrown at him. The touchdown wasn’t his fault.
Playing off man always gives up the inside release and the safety has to come down on any inside breaking routes like that skinny post. Unless the corner is just way more athletic than the receiver he’s not going to make that play. And being our #4 guy? If you can get your #4 guy to play that route as well as he did you are ahead of the game.
The blame for that TD goes to three places. The Giants for having too many damn weapons. The coaching staff for playing too loose on those wideouts allowing for free releases the whole game. And Reggie Smith, who has kindly stood by and watched as at least 4 touchdowns this year (that I can remember) were scored right in front of him when he had the responsibility to take the throw away.
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by Ougadas on Jan 27, 2012 4:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
was = wasn't.
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I've read from you before that the TD was Reggie Smith's fault
And I’ll accept that… But I’ve seen that dude get burned every time he steps on the field no matter who he’s covering.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
We need a new Smith...
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by manraj7 on Jan 28, 2012 12:10 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
We should limit our smiths to the D-line and OLB
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Exactly
Seems to me the position is pretty much set and we do have some depth, as long as we resign Rogers
Culliver has played really well for a rookie and we’re getting Curtis Holcomb back from the injury he suffered in TC. Plus Cory Nelms won the up-and-coming player award.
Seems to me like FS is a much bigger need, regardless of if we resign Goldson or not.
Yeah
Madieu Williams is almost for sure on his way out, and if the coaches won’t even put Reggie Smith in as the backup punt returner when Kyle Williams is struggling, I can’t see how he fits on next year’s roster either.
I’ll be surprised if the 49ers don’t bring in at least 2 new Safeties next year, maybe 3.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
And now I've just stumbled across this:
It’s an article about Goldson and the franchise tag, but halfway down it mentions this:
…the 49ers have nobody behind Goldson to take his spot. The 49ers’ third safety this past season was Reggie Smith, who is also scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent. A team source told CSNBayArea.com that the day after the season, the sides reached an understanding that Smith would look for an opportunity elsewhere.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
That would be
The best for all parties involved.
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It Burnz I know you are reading this
explain to me why you think Sanu will be a bust from Rutgers?
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In college guys that are first rounders are supposed to dominate lesser competition.
See the videos above and not only does he not dominate far lesser competition, he runs sloppy routs, (instead of crisp cuts he rounds off his turns), he drops passes and when he steps up against real competition I believe he’ll struggle mightily. Give me Nick Toon any day.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I like Nick Toon too
But you can’t objectively say that Sanu didn’t dominate lesser competition despite shoddy (at best) QB play. He broke Larry Fitzgerald’s Big East reception record this past year.
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Ok guys tell me what you think about this?
Round 1. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
Round 2. Harrison Smith S Notre Dame
Round 3. Doug Martin RB Boise State
Round 4. Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
Round 5. Chris Rainey KR/PR Florida (he wants to run a 4.1 at the combine. Ran a 4.29 2 years ago.)
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Don't know much of Harrison Smith
But 1 and 3 Get a seal of approval.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I love Kendall Wright in the1st but I dont think he will be there at 30
by San Fran Niners on Jan 27, 2012 2:02 AM PST up reply actions
I'd like that one
But I’d really love to see Wright on some 1 on 1 drills. If he’s not going to be more than a slot receiver then no. If he shows he can get off the line of scrimmage against press coverage then I’d be very happy with it.
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I'm a huge fan of this....
But do you not believe Martin will be there in the second? He’s supposed to be a better prospect from what I understand.
by 9thevolution on Jan 27, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
First impression of Markelle Martin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAsV7uyK1cE
I see a smart player with good size who tackles well, but with speed, agility, and instincts that are all distinctly “meh”. I wouldn’t be disappointed with him at the end of the 3rd as a depth guy, but I still prefer Harrison Smith.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
But aren't they two different players?:
I’m seeing Martin as a clean cut FS and Smith as a guy that you want at SS.
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Why?
I don’t necessarily understand the difference between a FS and a SS. Don’t they do the exact same thing in our system?
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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2012 10:19 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Our system they do want mostly interchangable safeties...
But there is still some variation between the positions. Just not the prototypical centerfield FS and almost LB SS
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
How are they different?
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by manraj7 on Jan 28, 2012 12:18 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Our SS (Whitner) is a little more of a run stuffer and closer to the line
Our FS (Goldson) is a little better in coverage and plays further back.
With our team now both guys can do the others job without too much of a dropoff. The way it used to be… The perfect example was Merton Hanks and Tim McDonald. Hanks would not be up playing the run… and McDonald was not the guy you wanted playing centerfield. More defined roles.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2012 1:47 AM PST up reply actions
Not really
You can try to get two safeties that can do everything but it’s really difficult to get two guys who are such athletes and so fundamentally sound mentally and technically that they can be excellent in coverage and run support.
Also there are some differences that are going to magnify because of formation tendencies and play calls. We aren’t that unconventional on defense, we usually always have our SS matched up with the strong side of the formation. Usually this means that the #1 receiver on the offense is on the weak side to try to gain a one on one matchup so if your FS can’t hold the lid on you’re in for a long day. Rarely when we do go Cover 1, it’s Goldson on the back end and not Whitner.
Basically Martin is a guy that you might be able to trust in Cover 1, I wouldn’t trust Smith in Cover 1.
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Harrison?
Lack of range. His instincts are good, his fundamentals are good, usually takes good angles, but he’s athletically limited. Use him right and I think he’s a great addition. But put him in at FS instead of SS where his skillset belongs and in situations like that and any points you give up are your own fault.
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Well can't we use him in the redzone
when there isn’t a lot of room to travel?
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If he measures well in the combine would that change your opinion?
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Would you take him in the second?
For depth purposes at the minimum?
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Questions, questions, questions
First one, I would never take a player just for “red zone” purposes.
Second one, No it wouldn’t but I don’t think it’s going to happen. I’ve watched enough plays to be pretty confident what to expect from him.
Third one, that would depend on who is there. I have a third round grade on Harrison, but the bottom of the second is pretty much already 3rd round talent anyway. But most likely not. I think there will be better talent still on the board at #62.
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strong safety...
is usually on the strong side or wherever the tight end or fullback line up at…thats why u usually see them playing the run more because most teams will run to their strong side….so strong safety has to be able to play the run better and sometimes even set the edge on the line vs te’s…hence y most strong safeties are closer to the line of scrimmage than free safeties…
Oh thanks man
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I knew that traditionaly the SS needs to play the run better I just wasn't sure why.
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You'd have to take Doug Martin earlier
Switch Harrison and Doug.
Good draft
Ill rather have Smith than Martin.
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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2012 8:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
My take on it
Kendall – A) Don’t see him getting to 30th B) He’s small and what we need are big receivers.
Harrison – I think he’s more of a 3-4th rounder and I’d much rather get Trumaine Johnson he’s listed as a CB/S and we could play him at CB while Goldson is there and then have him take over for Goldson eventually (Yes I feel we will franchise Goldson)
Martin – I like him but as has been stated RB is going to be a great prospect next year. Pick up RB next year.
Norman – Gotten some good press not a bad choice, but isn’t he more a 5th rounder?
Rainey – As an RS not bad, I’ll be keeping an eye on whether he hovers in he 5th or 6th.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 28, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I like Trumaine too
Good size, good speed, lot of interceptions. Seems more ideal for covering the trend toward tall TE/WRs. And big enough to play safety too, as you mention.
My feeling is it's a worst case best case scenario
Worst case he’s able to fill our bigger secondary need. Worst case he fills a lesser secondary need. Flexibility in players is a benefit always.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 5, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
rainey
if the 49ers get rainey in the 4-5th rounds i will completely satisfied. Rainey is so fast. When is jefferey demps projected?
I am impressed with the knowledge so far
I won’t be able to explain 15 draft prospects until late February. Given the draft trends, at pick #30 the 49ers will be looking at:
CB: 3rd Best
S: 2nd Best
OLB/DE: 7th/8th Best
WR: 4th/5th Best
OG: 2nd Best
C: 1st/2nd Best
RB: 3rd/4th Best
Also knowing the 49ers, they will trade this pick in a heartbeat if someone offers them a 1st in next years draft. I’d spend a lot of time looking for teams desperate enough to need two 1st Rnd picks from this draft.
Jacksonville hopefully
Because 1 injury to MJD and we could be drafting 1 overall next year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2012 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
I think we are in a good spot
To trade down. Hopefully someone falls and they want to swoop in before day 2 and give up some fire power for next year.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 27, 2012 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, trading the pick for a first next season,
and possibly a fourth and fifth this season would be the best move. Otherwise, go interior offensive line.
Alex Smith 86%+ QB rating with 22+ TDs this season, hopefully! :)
where will janoris jenkins get drafted?
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Too small
WRs in NFC west are big. Except for the Rams.
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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2012 9:22 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
This Just in
Janoris Jenkins Height: 5-10. Weight: 191
Derrelle Revis Height: 5-11 Weight: 198
JUST SAYIN!!!!!!
by San Fran Niners on Jan 27, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 27, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Jenkins if 5'9
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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2012 12:53 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Measured in at 5'9 and 6/8 not 5'10
If drafted in the first round will be the first CB under 5’10 to be drafted in the first round since 2000
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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2012 4:10 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ill take 5'9 and 6/8 anyday! CB have always been smaller then WR its just the way it is.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 27, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
How tall is Fitzgerald and the seahawks WRs?
You saw Willis try to cover Grahamn. You can’t stop height.
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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2012 9:12 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
he is an inch and 2/8 shorter than Revis so I'm not too worried.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 28, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
1 and 6/8s
Revis measured in at 5’11 4/8s
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Delano Howell, 5th round?
Had a hand injury that limited his production this year, but the former Stanford RB is a big hitter, takes good angles, fast, and plays the ball well. And Harbaugh loves him. Martin seems like a decent SS, hits hard, but he’s not very fast and has a limited ceiling.
Honest question...
Why is everybody projecting the niners going after a big WR? We do have a big WR on the roster even though he was a rookie this year and we did not see him on the active roster: Kyle Nelson 6’3" 230 lbs. Has anybody seen this guy? Is he worth promoting to the active roster?
We have him listed as a long snapper.
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Look.....
Lets just be honest how many guys come from the p.s. and really be anything more than a role player? We need a big time high talent WR with an attitude and a killer instinct!
by San Fran Niners on Jan 28, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Cruz
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by FearTheTree on Jan 28, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
It's a good question...
I’ve been thinking the failure of Crabtree against our expectations of what he would be coming in is as much a result of Smith not throwing to him in small windows. Smith seems to do pretty well with throwing to Vernon and VD is god awful fast. So…I’m wondering if the WRs that Smith needs to be successful are only going to be the super fast ones.
Smith also seems to target Ginn frequently and he’s fast. KW also got some targets and he’s fast… so maybe there is something to this. If it is true then we need to look at the speed demons in the draft and avoid the slow ones.
Or maybe Smith knows Crabtree will never fight for the ball and he drops it more often than Ginn does.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 29, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
The Saints game probably affected Alex's decisions to keep the ball away from Crabtree vs. the NYG
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
that's just dumb
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:09 AM PST up reply actions
even when they are Wide open he does not throw or does not throw it well
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Wonder if they'll burn a pick on QB Weeden
They guy would be a 1st rounder if he was not already 28.
What is the value of a guy like that if you felt you get him playing in year 1? Is he worth a 2nd round pick, or even a late 1st?
rather have moore or wilson
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Moore?
I keep reading that he seems like a 9th grader compared to the pros.
well, hopefully he is our ninth grader
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
mega trade for rg3!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
No
Smith is our QB. Kaep is potentially our QB down the road.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
breaking news
Smith would only be a starter on one team in the nfl!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Get over yourself
Eli Manning played like horseshit in the second half too and no one seems to be calling ELITE manning out.
Smith did his job and that is to not turn the ball over. It’s up to his receivers to make plays and Crabtree failed to do so.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Eli Manning also didn't take 6 years to be good
he is also in the SB.
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2nd Superbowl
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
wrong.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
sorry misread it lol
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
he isn't about to play in his 2nd SB?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Above comment
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
RIGHT!!
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Yeah right
Manning was 26. Try again.
He sucked harder than Smith did for his first couple of years.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Woah I'm sorry
He was 27.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Not if you are comparing the first couple of years together. This is Smith's first good year. He has 5 to forget.
Manning was on a SB winning team after his 5th.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Let's not ignore the coaching differences or the talent margin?
Eli’s QB Ratings: 55.4 75.9 77.0 73.9 86.4 93.1 85.3 92.9
Alex’s: 40.8 74.8 57.2(played 5 games with a broken shoulder) 81.5 82.1 90.7
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Give Ale a 101 rating this season, or whatever it was, I'd rather have Eli's 08 passer rating, if it means a SB berth and WIN!!
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Go ask Kyle Williams for that
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Kyle didn't blow the whole game.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
14-10 game
10 points handed to a team off turnovers by one man and one man alone.
He didn’t blow the whole game. He blew away a win though.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
12/26 while Elit goes 32/58
Not enough from the passing game. The running game was there. They put in on Smith in the redzone and throughout the game on offense. One more score and there is no OT. You can say if to almost any paart of the game.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
LOL
Eli needs 60 damn attempts to get over 300 yards. With a superior cast of guys…I’m not sure what you expect. Our team isn’t built around our passing attack.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
thats because oru D is ballin
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The game was put on both QB's shoulders.
Eli’s more than Alex. Alex couldn’t score on our defense with the NYG roster.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
NO IT WASN'T
For the love of god. Eli’s only ability to score came on the play after Tarrell Brown got hurt and the Brock/Smith tandem screwed it up and on a FG that his only role in was taking a knee.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
Really? How did the Giants score? You are making it seem as if Manning points were given to him from bad defense, wasn’t that how Alex scored?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Yeah
Classic defensive slugfest.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
How did Rodgers do against that Giants D?
26 of 46 for 264 56.5 2TDs 1Int 78.5 rating
Alex no Int – higher rating – almost same amount of yards. Same amount of points
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:16 AM PST up reply actions
third down? how many three and outs?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
classic BULLSH*T stat manipulation...
Alex hit two deep throws to VD… Big plays, he made them. I’m not arguing that Alex is garbage…
He checked a ball down to Gore, who picked up 20…
He hit Delanie on a 30 yarder at the end of regulation. Meaningless play, meaningless yards…
All told — other than those 4 completions — Alex was 8 of 22 for approximately 25 yards.
And 1 of 13 on 3rd Down, 0-12 if you don’t count the meaningless last play of regulation.
See? These STAT arguments cut both ways…
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:19 AM PST up reply actions
That is partially because
We don’t know how to design a competent passing attack that will work in the NFL.
And partially because we’ve either told Alex not to make risky throws or he is being overly cautious about making risky throws and partially because our receivers have a hard time creating separation on their breaks.
More than enough incompetence to go around.
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I don't see the trust in the offense from the play calling.
Is it the WR’s or Alex? i don’t know, but I have my own opinion.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
no, it is the coaches who suck who can not design competent plays.
he just said Harbaugh sucks as a coach!!!!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
No
I’m saying Greg Roman is a poor offensive coordinator.
In situations where we turned the play calling over to Geep Chryst ( end of Lions game, end of Saints game I know for sure ) the passing offense was well thought out.
I was very much hoping Roman would leave in the off-season and we’d have to promote Chryst.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Think they might relegate the playcalling duties to Chryst anyway
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by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
That would make me very happy
Let Greg continue designing counter and power running plays. He does that well.
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I just called Harbaugh and told him you are the new OC!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
No thanks
I gave up on 90 hour weeks a long time ago.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
too late, you are obligated since you called them out!
I called Harbaugh and told them they are fired so you are the new OC.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
Oh well
I can use a couple extra million I guess. Better pack my bags for SF.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
I'd love it if CHRIST were calling the plays!
Badum-bum… Thank you. Thank you very much.
Bad jokes aside, this playcalling by committee needs to end… It’s an art form as much as a science, and a good playcaller needs to NOT BE LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER if every playcall ain’t a gem.
I’ve BEEN a playcaller… Tough job, lots of pressure, lots of 2nd-guessing by everybody and their mother.. Can’t IMAGINE doing it by committee…
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:24 AM PST up reply actions
keep smoking that good site decorum.
your ignorant comment, putting it politely, show great ignorance and bias. Greg Roman is a great freaking coordinator who saved alex smith’s career! ya, garbage; he took a horrible qb and made him half decent but the qb left everyone hanging with a lame duck 0-13 on third down. Bingo!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not going through this again.
We’re not having this conversation if Kyle Williams doesn’t let our Lombardi trophy bounce off his knee.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
........................... that has nothing to do with what you are replying too...............
try to reply to the comment not just post something which is irrelevant to the the specific discussion.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
here are our 3rd downs
3/4 incompletion
3/14 incompletion
3/2 4 yard completion, Niners take 5 yard penalty
3/5 4 yard scramble
3/9 3 yard scramble
3/19 5 yard scramble, Niners take penalty for 1st down
3/6 incompletion
3/6 4 yard completion to Gore
3/1 Dixon stuffed for 0
3/5 3 yard completion to Crabtree
3/7 sacked
3/10 incompletion
3/8 29 yard completion to Walker with fumble recovered by Hunter
3/12 11 yard completion to Davis
Why does it seem that the majority of the 3rd downs ended right before the first down marker?
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That we are too predictable
Our route concepts don’t spread the field enough and force receivers open, our receivers did a poor job of knowing where the first down marker was, and Alex made some poor decisions on where to throw the ball.
From the bottom up, it’s a dysfunctional passing offense.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
nothing what you said is the case.
alex wants to play it safe and throws to his check downs all the time. Many people who have played the game and won super bowl rings and have even played the qb position said that the routes are “well designed”. Personally I believe them!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
List em and Link em.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
alex does not throw it deep; he throw it to the "safe" checkdown which is usually not farther than the first down marker
this is the “safe” throw because the defenders usually drop beyond the first down mark to defend against the first down. The object on third down is to get the first down and not to get close to the marker.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
You can start here ...!!
http://football.about.com/cs/football101/a/bl_football101.htm
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
my statement is supported by all the check downs on third down; look above
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Greg Roman's playcalling ain't great
But he appreciates your kind words…
;-D
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-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 AM PST up reply actions
really?
alex smith has never passed down the field for seven years dude! so you are saying this coaching staff that took this team to withing inches of the super bowl can not design passing plays?
what a total joke of a comment!! stop trying so hard to make excuses for a lame qb.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
It's Harbaugh's nature of coaching
His first priority is to make sure his O doesn’t turn the ball over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7-9kQJ1_sI
Around the 23:00 minute mark he says it. I suggest you watch the whole thing it’s pretty informative as to his philosophy.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
I've seen it
“Every drive ends in a kick”. I like it. But if you want to run the ball you can’t be one dimensional. There must be the constant threat that if you sell out against the run we will burn you hard.
We don’t have that threat.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
if you can't watch the game and see that eli is playing the position at a FAR superior level to Alex...
…then you’ve really got a limited football IQ.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:16 AM PST up reply actions
Its definately not ALL on Kyle
If the offense (both alex and roman) would’ve scored when they had the chance in regular time, Kyle never would’ve needed to field that punt in overtime.
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Yes. It. Is.
The fact that it isn’t a win is on Williams god damn it. Not only were the fumbles beyond stupid, the return fumble in the first half, and the horrible dive in the second quarter too.
The fact that it isn’t a blowout is on our offense. Get the facts right.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
You just don't want anythign negative said about Alex, we get it, you love him.
How come you don’t get that we don’t care?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
No I don't lol
I want the best QB out there. That happens to be him.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
NO
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
K
It’s Peyton then. Let’s sign him and not the rest of our integral defense, watch him get KO’d in the first pre-season game, then mope about our investment for 10 years.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Dude, Peyton is not gonna play elsewhere and worry about money.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
well as long as he doesn't get resigned
Brees should be available. But that’s just living in a dream world
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
ever here of the FRANCHISE TAG
Brees is about as “available” as Tom Brady’s wife…
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-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:27 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's just as much coaching as it is on Kyle.
They should’ve recognized that he wasn’t comfortable after the first couple mishaps and put in Culliver or R. Smith.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 29, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
coaching deserves a large part of the blame for the loss
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Don't go blaming harbaugh for that, you can get crucified in here.
Blame the players, coach blaming is only for the past guys.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
my point is that the blame is spread out everywhere
Harbaugh for not pulling kyle out sooner, Roman for his playcalling, Alex for just being alex and kyle for fumbling the ball Goldson for knocking out Brown, Rodgers for not holding onto the interception.
There’s just so many things that it’s stupid to blame just one person for the loss
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Hell, put anyone back there
That isn’t falling apart mentally. Put Joe Staley back there as long as you think he knows when to get away from a ball and how to catch it.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Joe Staley returning punts?
That we be f***ing awesome! 300-lb punt returner… Love it.
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-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:29 AM PST up reply actions
he would do it to
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Obviously hindsight is 20/20 and they believed Kyle could bounce back but there were other options. Culliver was a prolific returner in college and Reggie has experience with returns. Like Oug says, someone who wasn’t have issues with ball security.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 31, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
At least you didn't say 6
Credit for remembering he missed an entire season after a botched operation
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 30, 2012 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
Also, check this out
He DID take 6 seasons (with a monstrously superior roster mind you) to get a QB rating comparable to Smith’s this year.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
(he was 28/29)
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
QM rating means nothing. Smith had a higher QB rating, but durign the game Eli will make 10 great throws
Smith is still in the 1-3 great throws per game.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Eli also contributes to more turnovers
pick your poison I guess.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Different staff, ball control is apart of the coaching.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Well... Who cares about STATS?
For those of us with eyeballs, all you have to do is WATCH THEM PLAY…
Eli is better than Alex. Alex ain’t a stiff, he’s decent. But Eli is a better player. Period.
Who gives a sh*t about all the stats? Hell… What’s John Elway’s rating? 2nd best QB in history in my opinion.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:33 AM PST up reply actions
if the qb only job was to not turn the ball over then why even have a qb and put in another rb? fail
smith needs to have very very low turnovers because he does not make that many plays through the air. Alex Smith made Eli look elite by laying a egg so Eli can go to the super bowl. get over yourself
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
ELI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Smith
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
all day
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
ignorant
your guys hatred for Smith knows no bounds.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
It's not hatred, Eli is a better QB.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
igorance=accepting the truth??????? wow!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Saying Smith sucks is ignorance yeah
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Who said that?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
It's what you seem to be implying if there's a starter you feel we can aquire that can be better than Smith next year
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
you form your arguments like faux news!!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
You’re insinuating now, is there no limit to this!
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
I can't stand the Smith-hating...
But the Smith-apologizing is no different…
You guys need to hug it out.
-- I have many leather-bound books.
-- You show me a guy that can’t juggle 3 tennis balls within an hour and I’ll show you a guy that’s not going to be in the NFL very long.
by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:36 AM PST up reply actions
More like (at this point)
Eli > Smith
Eli is clearly better at this point (he’s also 4 years older and has been in the same offense for most of his career) and he’s also had vastly better O-Line’s and WR’s.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
He doesn't miss open guys, his OL wasn't always the greatest, it's just he can torch a blitz for 6 more often.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Give him Crabtree, Ginn, Swain, and Hastings and I'd love to see what he'd do
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
He doesn't get Kyle Williams, V Davis and Delanie Walker?
I think he’d get to the Superbowl. Especially with the defense, he may have had our scoring acg around the great New England team from 08!
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
He gets them too
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
What part of if Kyle Williams doesn't fumble the football we're in the SB
do you not get?
Isn’t that what you want?
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
How is that so? The offense was going to magically get out of a scoreless funk from several minutes passed?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Does it matter?
We were up 14-10 you don’t get style points in this league.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
The game was tied with 2 minutes to go.
Hello INACCURATE passes.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Funny you don't point out the two that should've been picked off by Dashon/Rogers
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
What's to point out? As I said, who made more good throws?
Who made more plays on third down?
Niners convert some 3rd downs they have more scoring chances.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Who doesn't get open on 3rd down?
Crabtree, Swain, Hastings, and Williams, that’s who.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Williams, Davis and Crabtree could, but the QB can't accurately throw many routes.
Seam routes and wheel routes, that is all.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
soooooo much better than watching TV...... Thank you guys!
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:37 AM PST up reply actions
Me too
I would love to see what Crabtree can do with a decent QB…
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Probably flares out.
They replace him with Nicks or Cruz.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
He put up 900 yards with Alex
imagine him with a good QB
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ALEX IS GOOD.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Alex is average
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Suit yourself
Steve Young wasn’t good until he was 31. It’s this give me it all now or your dead nature of the league that’s destroying careers.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't he start later too?
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You're forgetting that he sucked ass from 88-91
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by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Overstatement by me
But he wasn’t that great in relief of Montana from what I can recall.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah... He was quite good.
Not the passer he became by any stretch…
But very effective nonetheless.
Relieved Joe vs the Bears in ’87 in a big game on MNF at the Stick. Was only 9 of 19 but had 4 TDs and scrambled for a bunch of yards.
STATS weren’t always great, but Steve played effectively in relief of Joe pretty much from the time he was signed.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:41 AM PST up reply actions
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
Alex is...
…between AVERAGE and GOOD?
Any takers?
(i’m raising my hand)
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:38 AM PST up reply actions
Averagely good.
Mediocrely great.
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You're an APOLOGIST
Eli Manning played like horseshit in the second half too
That’s apologist-analysis at it’s finest!
Smith’s job is to do more than not-turn-it-over. Gimmee a break.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wow!!! what a string of apologist/hater comments...
i posted this comment like a mile and a half up that way ^^^^^^^
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:42 AM PST up reply actions
smith is a FREE AGENT
He is OUR QB when he signs.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:10 AM PST up reply actions
Ask the cowboys I remember they took a qb in the draft that went to war for a few years
He turned out to have a pretty good career.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 31, 2012 1:54 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Walsh fought in a war?
I had no idea…
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:43 AM PST up reply actions
omg, how did my question about a 2nd yr ( next year) WR become an argument about Alex Smith?
Look, everybody stop trying to hang the damn game on one player. They play as a TEAM they lose as a TEAM. I’m sure if you talked to any of the players they would not blame just one player, they would say “we as a TEAM didn’t perform to standard and we lost”. It’s all well and good for anybody to try to pin it on one player which is myopic if you ask me. They ALL could have played better, but they didn’t, get over it already. Maybe next year they will do it, but SB or bust in the first year of a rookie HC and the crap they had to put up with is idiotic and straight up lunacy.
GO NINERS!!!!!!
by Chaotic9erFan on Feb 3, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I think they trade down or go BPA
Reaching to fill a need is how you end up like the Colts
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by FearTheTree on Jan 28, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Trade the 1st rd pick!
Always some team willing to give up there next year first rd pick to get some project who has fallen. I say if they can get a 1 next year and another 2nd rd pick in this draft I would do it.
Me too
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by manraj7 on Jan 28, 2012 7:54 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wonder what the statistics say for teams that trade away their next year first round pick
if they usually pick lower or higher or around the same t
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If they're smart
generally higher
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
but is trading up using your future first a smart move?
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Not speaking universally...
but this year for the 9ers I don’t see it as viable. In fact I’m looking at trade down scenarios.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 5, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Value probably doesn't work out right
But how great would it be to have another (and higher) 2nd and 3rd instead of that low first.
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You think we could get a 2 and a 3?
I was looking at only getting a 2 and a 4. Another 3 would be fabulous.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 5, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
No
A 2nd and 4th is more likely. But sometimes a team gets desperate to get their guy and you get an early Christmas.
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HEY
Just wanted to see if anyone saw my boy Criner in the senior bowl!!!! He looked good!
by San Fran Niners on Jan 28, 2012 9:51 PM PST reply actions
I heard
didn’t get to watch the game though
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I loves me some Criner too
I think he’s going to be an early 2nd rounder when he has a good combine.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Jan 28, 2012 10:27 PM PST reply actions
first round WR
the majority here seem to be on board with drafting a WR in the 1st, I think this is a bad idea. I would rather them take a shot at someone in the 2-4 rounds. IMO they should go BPA in the first unless the BPA is a mlb or other position where we have obvious solid starters.
to elaborate on that first sentence...
I believe the WR’s left when we pick won’t be worth a 1st round pick, that and I don’t understand the Crabtree hate, the guy had 900+ yards and that was with limited action in the first few games due to injury. Sure he didn’t do great in the playoffs but Alex also didn’t toss very many his way in the NY game.
by KGboomer on Jan 29, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agree, no first round wide-out; hoping we draft defense first
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely, especially since I like Marvin Jones from Cal for a WR.
"What the hell are you mixing in that look-aid"
This
We need WRs but first-round wide recievers are always a crapshoot. Some turn out better than others. Given our luck picking WRs in the first round lately, we’d better stay away from it and either grab a RG/C or a defensive player.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith is moving to rg/c
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Crabtree hate
He failed to show up in the playoffs. He failed to get much separation vs. the NYG that would’ve helped us put the game far before KW f’ed it up. He drops/tips the ball far too often for someone considered a No. 1 WR, ESPECIALLY one that was touted to have glue for hands. He runs lazy routes. Let’s not forget he called out his QB after the game where everyone else was bent on staying together as a team. He’s never seemed like he’s had his head completely in the game, but when he has he’s been pretty good (see every game he’s played vs. the Rams, AZ game earlier this year).
The key this offseason is to put up or shut up for Michael Crabtree. He can’t miss practices anymore. He can’t miss preseason. If anything, he needs to take a cue from VD and stay longer after practices to work with Alex and get their chemistry down. It was clear that their chemistry was building later on in the season but after his miserable showings vs. the Saints and the Giants, I think it’s safe to say that Alex was less than confident in throwing to a covered Crabtree. They need to repair or discover a trust between one another. Or it’s time for Crabtree to find a new home.
He has the makings of a very good possession WR and his real problem is his effort.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Effort? When has he showed to not put out effort? Not sure where you are getting that…and he was barely targeted during the NY game, can’t catch the ball if you’re not thrown to. Idk if he wasn’t getting open or if Alex just wasn’t looking to him, but did you actually break down the tape and check or are you assuming he was blanketed on every single passing attempt? He said he wished he had more oppurtunities in the game, that isn’t calling out Alex. And as far as missed practice time, the guy had a BROKEN foot, how do you expect him to practice with a broken bone?
Cmon man
don’t you run with a broken foot?
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can’t believe Delanie took off so much time, put a bandaid on that jaw, sack up, and get back in the game!
a bandaid? What is it a disney princess one?
He doesn’t need no bandaid…
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you're right
he should have removed his jaw at half time a la Ronnie Lott when he removed part of his finger to play in the superbowl
Effort was a poor word choice
Discipline is better.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
What a joke
Alex isn’t even SIGNED and it’s…
…all on Mike Crabtree?
YOu’re delusional.
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ALEX SMITH FAILED DURING THE PLAYOFFS EXCEPT FOR 3:43 SECONDS!!!
THEY ARE OPEN HAVE BEEN ALL YEAR FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah... The 49ers have been GREAT for 7 years. It's all Alex's fault. Riggggghhhhhttttttt......
He had a decent year. Just stop already…
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by I'm Friends With Merlin Olsen on Feb 1, 2012 2:46 AM PST up reply actions
it's hard to play in preseason with a broken foot
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Get over yourself man
if you can’t run with a broken foot you can’t run at all…
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Right
but you can prevent holding out as a rookie and have altercations with VD. Not to mention slyly calling out your QB.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 29, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
of course you can prevent a holdout
it takes two to tango
and Alex called him out first.
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dude, if someone was telling you I will give you five to ten million dollars more money, what would you do?
right, of course you would take less money………..
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree
Was just saying essentially the same thing on another thread. The only round 1 WR I think they’d pick is Kendall Wright and I don’t think he’ll be there at 30. So they’ll either move up to take him, or move back to take one of the other guys, or use that pick to take the most valuable player which will most likely be an dominant OL, pass rusher or shut down corner.
I don’t actually think the FO thinks CB is a big need either so that is the less likely scenario.
Mr Fucillo, That would be an awesome draft
If we got some of your alternates listed. I’d be very excited going into 2012 with
Janoris Jenkins
Markelle Martin
Juron Criner
Ryan Broyles
Akiem Hicks (this is the one dude I don’t know much about… will have to read up on him)
Chris Rainey
Adrian Robinson
cb is not that much of a need and the niners do not like players with huge mega character concerns; a few on there with them
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I think CB is a huge need. Rogers can drop off next season, he is getting up in age.
Plus it takes time for CB’s to develop, more often than not.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
culliver, brock, brown
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Don't like Brown at all, still think we need a faster corner better at man coverage.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
I didn't like him either earlier in the year
But imo his play vastly improved towards the end of the season and during the playoffs.
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Agreed Brown played really well in the playoffs.
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I don't think so, I didn't see many different routes being ran on him, seemed like a lot of streaks and the defense called the right play.
Over the middle and most routes he is soft in coverage. Our pass rush hid a lot of weaknesses.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Isn't that what the pass rush is supposed to do?
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Yes, but as you seen in the game vs NYG, it can get to the qb and still need the coverage to be tighter.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
but we also saw in the game against NO
that we can give the QB some time to throw and force him into a checkdown because the coverage was perfect downfield
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They were short a WR and a RB and we schemed them perfectly.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
exactly!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yes on Brock, the kid could be real solid if he stays on his feet.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 29, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't he give up a TD against the giants?
Or was that on Smith? i honestly don’t know all that much about coverage.
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it was a bit of both
but I would say it was more on smith. Brock was playing outside coverage expecting safety on top and covering the inside. Problem was that Smith was playing to far in the middle and couldn’t get to the throw in time because of it
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Thanks
I remember Smith doing that a lot…
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Reggie didn't even have a sniff on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFYBOW5ii7k
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 29, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
staying on the feet is the key! early in the season he had troubles.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 29, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
I have to blame Brock, I know SMith sucks how could he not?
LOL
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Yeah
He fell down (got pushed down) by Miles Austin in regulation and left him 1 on 1 where Reggie would have to make an open field tackle. Reggie missed at it was 7 points.
But guys like Austin are going to push you — gotta keep your feet. But Brock is actually younger than Culliver, so he has growing room.
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Can’t wait for the Ninersnation Community MOCK
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
here it is.
2012
1st wr/oline
2ndwr/oline
3rdwr/oline
4thwr/oline
5thwr/oline
6thwr/oline
7nthwr/oline
2013
1st wr/oline
2ndwr/oline
3rdwr/oline
4thwr/oline
5thwr/oline
6thwr/oline
7nthwr/oline
2014
1st wr/oline
2ndwr/oline
3rdwr/oline
4thwr/oline
5thwr/oline
6thwr/oline
7nthwr/oline
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
lol
only need 2 linemen and 2 WRs though.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
not enough!!!
staley needs to be replaced
davis needs to be replaced
Iupati is getting old and needs to be replaced
goodwin is a grandfather and needs to go
Snyder and chilo should go get jobs at mcdonals
the 2012 draft is going to suck
the 2013 draft will hold out and be divas
we must wait until 2014 for our future oline!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Never said this.
We need a future replacement for Goodwin and a replacement for Snyder (possibly a future one).
Staley and Iupati are solid. Davis is better suited as a guard but I think he might be a keeper as a RT.
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by FearTheTree on Jan 30, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
no he sucks!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Keeping drafting all these WRs
How is Alex Smith suppose to develop chemistry … Year 8, Year 9, Year 10 ….
The chemistry is one thing, but the 9ers have no game breaking WR's with size, and they need one.
In my sig is two, and I think they both will be better than Morgan.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
vernon davis
has one of the highest yards per catch of tight ends! does not get any more big plays than that.
Did you see kyle williams in the st. louis game? That can make plays and Smith needed to pass it to him.
Niners having no big play makers is a myth. What is a fact is the ball did not get passed medium and especially deep enough.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
OK guys Im sick of putting make up on the pig
Alex does not throw with timing and he is gun shy scared to make a mistake. When I saw Colin come in the game and throw a back shoulder fade to a WR he did not have “Chemistry” with. I decided Alex was nothing more than a highly over qualified game manager. I think Colin will be ready this year. And I think he will surprise alot of people.
by San Fran Niners on Jan 31, 2012 1:47 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:17 AM PST up reply actions
one of many
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
At WR, the team needs more.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Besides ot says game breaking wr with size, there isnt anyone.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Marvin Jones and DeMarlo belcher will be enough for the WR’s.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Ben Jones, Center, Georgia.
Anyone else think he’s going to bust?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
If he can't get some more power and nastiness to his game
Maybe he’s a backup only and better learn to play guard as well. He’s going to have alot of problems with the bigger nose tackles in the league.
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Not happening
Alshon Jeffery, Janoris Jenkins, and Doug Martin won’t be available where you have projected them, so forget that. I like going after a speedy returner in the later rounds.
by Liquid Pantyhose on Jan 31, 2012 4:22 PM PST reply actions
Hey guys
well MTD is having a live mock draft on Feburary 17th and 18th. Its fun to do it and I’m currently signed up but I’m going to see if I can find a chat room that I can open up so that everyone can join in and we can pick together. Just wondering if you guys are up for it anyone can join as long as you guys are niner fans.
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Hells yeah, trade everything for Luck!!
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
You would be down?
If so we have three. Me you and San Fran. Other people can still join too. Don’t be afraid I don’t bite super hard
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Uhhhh, no, maybe in a mock, since it isn't reality.
I also think RG 3 will be a better QB if he gets a good QB coach. I’d trade 1 overall all day in this draft
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
no I meant down in joining the war room
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mos def
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
good
I want to try this out. We can orchestrate some trades
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I know nothing
I put all my faith in Harbaugh. He knows college football. I also put my faith in the scouting and the front office and Baalke.
IN BAALKE I TRUST
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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I gif stuff
From Dan Kadar from MTD
Here’s my USA Today write-up on Jackson
9. Janzen Jackson, McNeese State
Ht: 6’0, Wt: 190 pounds
Strengths: Jackson is a terrific athlete for a safety and moves around effortlessly. He’s a strong tackler and is good coming up to support the run. Good speed for the position to close on the ball. Good hands. Reliable, hard hitting tackler.
Weaknesses: Jackson was expected to be the next Eric Berry at Tennessee but was dismissed for personal issues. Landed at McNeese State and didn’t stand out. Extreme boom or bust potential.
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Janzen Jackson was the best secondary prospect in the nation last year
Nothing has changed.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 6, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
you like him?
Didn’t watch him all that much.
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by manraj7 on Feb 6, 2012 8:31 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He was going to be a top 10 pick at FS
If he’s entering the draft then he’s worth even a 2nd rounder IMO
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 7, 2012 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
hes really athletic right?
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by manraj7 on Feb 7, 2012 10:25 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
if he is so good...
why the “boom or bust” label on him in that right up?
I don't think he is going to be selected high
Didn’t stand out in college while playing in a small school but while he played at Tennessee he played well. I think the term boom or bust describes him well. Will either be really good or you’ll be like why
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idk
he didn’t stand out at a small school? Doesn’t sound like there is any “boom” potential
watch him play in Tennessee
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Alshon's playing style
reminds me of Brandon Marshall. Both are big targets with good hands and can go up and get the ball. I jus dont know how Alshon would perform in the Nfl but he does look like he would def help in the Red zone
Snowmans' 2012 9ers Mock Draft v1.0
Okay y’all here goes my first Mock for the 49ers upcoming 2012 NFL Draft
Rd1
Alshon Jeffery WR SCU Good hands and size to give the 9ers the big target needed!!
I hope Jeffery will fall to the 9ers but he may be gone already, so if he is I’m hedging my bets and making a second option JIC
Coby Fleener TE Stanford Coby will make an excellent complimental player to Davis in the multiple TE sets that coach Harbaugh loves!!
Rd2
Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
This big ole boy is a mauler at 6’4" 320 lbs and would be a great addition to replace the hopefully soon to depart Chilo Rachal at RG.
Rd3
Joe Adams WR/KR Ark: Will help to improve overall team speed and add depth at WR
or
George Iloka S Boise: One of the fastest S coming out with good technique and a nasty streak when he gets to the ball carrier. At 6’4" 222lbs he could play SS or LB even though he played FS in college.
Rd4
Jake Bequette DE/OLB Ark
College DE who equates to a 3/4 pass rushing OLB, fast and aggressive ball hawk!!
Rd5
Chris Greenwood CB Alabama
Good cover corner with excellent speed and pursuit ability. Fastest CB in draft.
Rd6
Lamont Bryant TE Morgan St
Tall, rangy and fast route runner to add yet more punch to the multiple TE sets that Harbaugh brings to his version of the WCO.
Rd7
Taylor Hart DT Oregon
HHad seen that he was projected to be a Rookie FA but it would be worthwhile to add this guy as the last pick. Big guy (6’5" 285) with a non-stop motor and a nose for the ball carrier.
I like it
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Nah
Jeffery will bust, I like Fleener a lot though.
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see my draft above
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 6, 2012 2:20 AM PST up reply actions
Overlooking
Alabama WR/PR Marquis Maze. Hes a perfect fit and we could probaly pick him up in round 3 or maybe even four.
5 or 6 per nfldraftscout.com
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 6, 2012 2:21 AM PST up reply actions
Maze is TINY.
Less than 5’8 and 185 pounds. Smaller than Allen Rossum, actually. We’ll see how he times, but it’s hard to see him having a huge impact.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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Stevie Johnson in FA
and Ryan Broyles in the 3rd is my dream scenario.
Id love to get SJ
but then i feel if we pick him up instead of Bowe we will need to draft a bigger receiver because we still will lack that big wideout.
good point...
Given their track record, I just don’t think its realistic to think this FO will go out and spend the big $$$ on big name guys such as Bowe or either jackson.
Thoughts on the draft classes at the top three need positions
Interior line draft class – A drop in starter is going to cost us the #30 pick. DeCastro will be long gone by then, and Konz likely 5-6 picks before us. We’re looking at maybe Glenn if nobody in the 10 picks before us likes him as a tackle, or Zeitler, but Zeitler is a bit of a reach at #30. I’d love to have him at #62 but he probably won’t be there. As we go down to our second and third round picks and are still looking at the guys who still fit in a power blocking scheme and are athletic enough to pull (Nicks, Washington, Silatolu) we can still find value but many of these guys are very raw in pass pro and have additional concerns attached.
Wide receiver class – If we want height there isn’t much to look at now that the tape has been applied and the extra inches added on by collegiate programs has been stripped away. Many of the guys who were billed as 6’4" and 6’5" measured in at 6’2" or 6’3". That still isn’t too short to ride the big man roller coaster, but it expands the playing field.
To get a guy who runs smoother routes and creates for himself by attacking the ball we’ll have to give up a bit of size. So there are trade-offs that we have to decide on. We could take a chance on a big guy like Jeffery if he falls, Criner if he’s there in the 2nd, or look to the later rounds for Robinson, Fuller, or Childs. If we are willing to give up a bit of size we can look to Toon or maybe Sanu (not quite sold on him) in the first or maybe Marvin Jones at #62 or #94.
Safety – It’s a pretty weak class with Miami and USC retaining their stars for one more year. Markelle Martin in my opinion is a big reach even at #30 but won’t be around at #62 so we’ll have to look elsewhere. We have to address the position because quite frankly we have no depth that should ever see the football field. There are lots of guys that would fit in nicely as a strong safety and some lower round free safety prospects but all have more trouble in coverage and taking the proper angles than you’d like to see at the next level. But there are still some good football players that are worth a look — Harrison Smith, George Iloka, Trenton Robinson, and Brandon Taylor. All really 3rd round or lower prospects but might see demand in a weak class pull them a little higher.
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very important
at the guys who still fit in a power blocking scheme and are athletic enough to pull (Nicks, Washington, Silatolu)
harbaugh and the 49er offense loves to pull people. I think drafting a G that cannot pull will be worthless to this offense.
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Do you think it will worth trading up for Konz?
Give us our current G and our future C? Because Goodwin only has 2 more years left on his contract its time to get a C now before we have to panic. Fix the holes before they are dug kind of thing
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Fix the holes before they are dug kind of thing
that wasn’t written very well but hopefully you understand what I’m trying to say.
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As always
The question is “at what price”.
At some prices I would move up for Konz. At others I would stay put.
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what about the guard out of ISU. Iowa State.
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Kelechi Osemele?
He would definitely help our straight ahead run game but he’s not a guy I’d ever want pulling. He could probably hold his own in pass pro being a former tackle who wouldn’t have to deal with speed at guard. Not going to be helping out his carbon copy to the right though.
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3rd or 4th
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I'd give a first and third for Konz
considering our third rounder will be barely any better than a fourth, and fourth round draft picks get traded like currency.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
This
Fixing the interior line protection is so valuable…it will go a long way in helping us repair our offense.
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24th
1 and 3 = 745 points or just right for the Steelers pick and right before the Lions.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
err Right after the Lions
But right before the Broncos and Texans who are both definitely considering him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
do teams even follow that point systemwhen making trades in the draft?
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Depends on the player and demand for him, but its a good base.
A first and a 3rd for the 24th pick is about right.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm curious as to what your opinion is on Jeffery
From what I’ve seen I’m not too impressed.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
I like his size and ability to adjust in the ball in the air
but he’s not very quick, but he is a big guy tho. I think he has good speed but he seems to need a couple strides to really get going.
As far as size and potential go
He’s a very attractive prospect. Technically he’s very raw, from the games I’ve watched if it’s not a slip screen, slant, or drag then he’s going deep. Nothing with a cut in it. But if that’s all you want to use him for there could be some value there.
At his size he should be a complete monster blocking down-field but doesn’t really put forth the effort. When the primary read is on the other side of the field, he’ll half arse his routes and jog through.
He is a guy that isn’t covered even when he is covered, but you have to be able to throw accurately to him so he can box out the defender. Any poor throws in his direction are easy to undercut.
He could be a huge boom in the league, or bust out year one. I don’t know which.
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At what point do you think its worth trading up to get Konz? I'm thinking he will probably go to the Lions. If he slips past them I think its worth trading with the Steelers.
I think his talent makes him draftable starting at 17 but its completely unrealistic for most teams to consider moving on him that early. It’s the complete teams who will trade up for him and that will probably start being considered around 22.
18.Chargers
19. Bears
20. Titans (Probably not a priority but CJ2K would probably want him)
21. Bengals (Not a priority but might be BPA at this point and wouldn’t hurt to give a young QB a C he can work with for the long haul)
22. Browns (not a priority at this point)
23. Lions (A bunch of mocks suggest him going here to replace their aging center)
24. Steelers (Have Pouncey)
25. Broncos (After Richardson who would be a wet dream for them, Konz should be their target #2)
26. Texans (Might lose their very good center in FA and could look to replace him with Konz)
27. Patriots (Their center is good but he’s surrounded by All-Stars which probably makes him look considerably better Pats might wanna upgrade with this pick since they have 31 as well.)
28. Packers (Another great line with an average center)
29. Ravens
30. Niners
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Just FTR on the draft value chart
Our 1st and 3rd happens to translate to the 24th pick. Just Sayin!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
1st and 3rd is a bit expensive in my mind
But guys who are that likely to be 10 year starters don’t grow on trees and if he falls that far there may be too much value to pass up.
I think he probably goes to the Lions and we don’t have to ask ourselves that question.
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I won't be at all surprised if the Lions pass on Konz.
They’ve gone out of their way to avoid fixing their offensive line for a few years now.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
which is why I think they're going to start now
I could however see them trying to shore up their defense
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they like to believe their O-Line is perfect
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It's the fact he's now 33
and they are sitting in perfect position to draft an elite level replacement for the next 10 + years. It will be a big surprise to me if they pass on him. If they do we have a big question to ask ourselves as to whether to move up.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
We say that every year
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Step 1: Spend all early round picks on DTs and RBs.
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
A lot of people are ignoring the team need for another 3-4 rush OLB
An injury to Aldon Smith puts this team’s pass rush back to 09/10 levels.
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Are you suggesting a depth pick
or looking to replace Ahmad Brooks?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
brooks is an ufa
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
I know.
I was asking if youALREADYknow wanted to let him walk and draft a replacement, or try to re-sign him and then draft a new backup.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
bingo
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
It all hinges on Brooks
If he comes back then we only need to take a developmental prospect to be a future specialist — because if Brooks comes back even our Nickel package doesn’t offer playing time.
That’s just life. There are only so many guys who have the talent to be elite pass rushers and you can rarely afford, either financially or scheme wise, to keep two of them. If Aldon goes down, we are in just a big a fix as the Cowboys if Demarcus Ware goes down.
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It doesn't hinge on Brooks
Every successful 3-4 team in recent memory has had at least 4 quality pass rushers on the outside. This team will have 2-3. It’s a position of need.
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by youALREADYknow on Feb 7, 2012 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
4 quality pass rushers?
4 quality pass rushers on the outside? Even the outside linebacker crazy Steelers and Ravens sometimes only carry 4 on the roster. Every one of them is a quality rusher? No.
The Steelers have Woodley and Harrison and keeping those two is cap straining. The Ravens have Suggs.
And those are the two most successful 3-4 teams in the last decade.
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Your premise is flawed.
You claim the 49ers don’t have the necessary quota of outside rushers to be a successful 3-4 defense…but the 49ers are already a successful 3-4 defense.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I agree.
It was pretty amazing that we had our top 3 OLBs available for nearly all of all 18 games. Need some depth there.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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agreed
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Anybody else
amazed by Harbaughs draft this year? Aldon Smith who was very effective, Kendall Hunter, proved efficient in duo with Gore, Kaep who is a physical monster and Culliver. All potential stars, great future for SF organization.
It was Baalke
He is going the right way. Draft highly athletic players with good character/work ethic and you will get a good player.
Brian Quick interests me. If he puts up good measurables at the combine he could be worth a late first. Yes I’m pulling an Oakland. Essentially my plan would be to take the raw prospect and bet on the coaching staff to improve his technique.
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by manraj7 on Feb 6, 2012 8:52 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Quick will need to have a shocking combine to move up to the 1st. A great combine will move him up to the late second
Before the Senior Bowl he was being talked about as a 4th round pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well its because he came from a small school
Its worth reaching for people who are biggers, faster, stronger than the average NFL player.
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No it's not
Especially on a team that’s a contender like this…you don’t reach for projects in the first round when (especially at the crapshoot that is WR) when the prospects are likely available later on and when BPA/need is more pressing.
Just an FYI, I do like Quick a lot but he’s more than likely going to be there for our 3rd round pick than not.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
We "reached" for
Smith, Cully and a bunch of other prospects.
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by manraj7 on Feb 7, 2012 10:32 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Smith was no reach
He would’ve gone to the Texans at 11. Cully was a third round pick and you can’t really assess reaches at that point (he was slated to be a mid-round pick).
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Would he have gone to the Texans at 11? Once again speculation
And Cully was a S that played CB for a couple of games his senior year before having a season ending injury.
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Everything I heard post draft was that the Texans were ridiculously in love with him
regarding Culliver, in the 3rd round I think you can be more inclined to draft projects.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Find me one analysis on this board or any other that says he is not a reach.
Dude was the definition of a reach.
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I guess
I just find it hard to believe you can really “reach” for prospects in the 3rd.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
You can reach in any round IMO just doesn't hurt as badly if you guess wrongly
but if the past two drafts are any indicators Baalke likes to draft athletic/raw players.
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Yeah definitely
especially in the later rounds, Baalke seems to take on a “DGAF, i’m taking the best athlete here” mentality.
Also it’s interesting when you listen to his comments about Kaepernick post-draft (and Harbaugh’s comments about Newton pre-draft) to show what they’re looking for in a qb.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
If you have a good enough coach they should be able to play in the NFL.
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so you're saying you can reach with the very last pick as well?
Rule #1) If you hate Joe Buck, watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCSZKbyL94
Rule #2) Follow rule #1
Yes
If you draft me you are reaching…
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by manraj7 on Feb 8, 2012 12:08 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
if I remember correctly
just about everyone here at NN hated the Culliver pick
by KGboomer on Feb 8, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well no one was happy about it
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I was pissed we took him over Devon House
Felt like a 2 round reach but worked out.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I heard the same thing about the Texans.
And the Texans have had some great drafts recently. Obviously Smith wasn’t a reach—he was nearly the DROY!!
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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You can still be good if you are a reach
A reach is picking someone higher than where they should have gone. But he was wildly considered a raw prospect and we saw that when he didn’t get his first sack until the Eagles game.
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where they should have gone
Well, according to team’s scouting departments. Players are selected in terms of where they are on a team’s big board. But then again that could be mean that no player is truly a reach.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
If you want to pull that argument you can say that...
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the Raiders never reach?
lol
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Yup
that Kicker in the first was a great selection.
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Kicker in the first round > QB in the first round
Proven. We have to draft our successor to Akers to groom him in the first round.
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agreed
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I remember him being considered a DE/OLB swing prospect.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Bigger, faster, stronger than the average NFL player?
Not even close. Maybe taller if that is what you meant by bigger.
But faster and stronger? Not even close.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
My thinking was that if someone has some physical advantage it will be easier for them to have a big game or be a dominant player.
If you have a dominant player it will open up the field for the rest of the WRs. For example the Saints used three people to cover Calvin Johnson when they played. That either inhibits their ability to blitz the QB or provide help to cover the other WRs on the field. Do I think Quick will be up to the same level as Megatron? No I don’t expect any WR to ever enter the NFL and produce like him but do I believe that having someone like Megatron on the team will make Crabtree better by just being on the same field as him? Without a doubt.
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Putting an elite player next to Crabtree will focus the coverage away from Crabtree and I believe fully that if you put Crabtree on a #2 CB he will play extremely well.
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Please do not compare Quick to the most physically dominant WR since Randy Moss
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well he is as tall as Megatron
if (big if btw) he can put up near megatron like combine numbers I think it would be worth a first.
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Combine's overrated tbh
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
I think if used properly can help find the correct players.
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Yeah it showcases some good athletic traits
but, personally, I think its more hyped up than it needs to be
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
of course
but if you aren’t athletic enough you won’t cut it in the NFL. I really like Kellen Moore I really do but unless he gets stronger he won’t be playing in the NFL.
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He won't put numbers in the same realm as Megatron.
He’s 6’5" supposedly… But he measured in at the Senior Bowl at 6’3 1/2" and weighed 222. His reported 40 is somewhere between 4.5 and 4.6. So lets say he runs a 4.54 which would be great for him with the electronic timing.
Calvin Johnson at the combine was 6’5" 239. He ran a 4.35 and had a 42 1/2" vert. Those are ridiculous numbers.
You’re comparing a tier 2-3 athlete with a Tier 1-AAA
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Ya I googled up CJ's number after I posted the comment I was like WTF
Watching him play he is fast but I never thought he was 4.35 fast.
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goddamn I didn't think he was that fast either
Millen nailed that pick (no-brainer though).
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
My mouth literally dropped when I saw those numbers.
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every bind squirrel eventually finds a nut
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Rule #2) Follow rule #1
His first 10 doesn't seem that fast.
But like Randy moss he just absolutely runs away from people 10 Yards into a route.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
its just not right
that a man that big can run that fast
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Yes of course
Just saying Brian Quick is none of those things.
Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.
Draft highly athletic players with good character/work ethic and you will get a good player.
One Taylor Mays tends to differ…
by InTimmyWeTrust on Feb 7, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
hip turning is athletic ability
just because you can run fast doesn’t make you athletic. There is more to athleticism than just running
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Technique is obviously still a component of drafting..
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Taylor just needs to be put in a pure SS role
Or moved to Nickle or ILB LB. He just didn’t fit with what Harbaugh wanted to do I guess. He will still be successful in the league if he can find a good situation.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I liked the 2010 draft better
As far as the 2011 it was good but I don’t count special team players and fullbacks as draft hits. Most teams can duplicate that, in fact most don’t even bother drafting for those positions.
When the FB ends up being elite for his position and you got him super late it counts as a draft hit.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 8, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
He's a rookie and he was trusted enough to get balls thrown his way out of the backfield
in addition to his lead blocking duties. Being an offensive weapon as a FB makes you an elite FB. There’s 2 others off the top of my head that get trusted like that. Leach and Kuhn.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 9, 2012 2:38 AM PST up reply actions
So does someone want to run the draft threads because the guy who previously ran it is no longer with us?
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You make it sound like he passed away
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
the draft threads
You mean the mock drafts we did or the FanPost threads?
by David Fucillo on Feb 7, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
the fan posts
This is getting kind of big
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by manraj7 on Feb 7, 2012 10:32 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Crabtree :/ my two sense...
very big disappointment…i think Crabtree has great hands but because he doesnt have the speed to separate from DB’s, he needs to work on getting off the ball better.
Areas i see Crabtree needs help:
1. Experience…he still a young receiver, as a #10 pick he needs to dedicate himself to getting to that next level in the offseason. ((J.Rice WR Coach?)) <—-hmmm
2. Speed and no size…he’s tooo slow and has no speed so DBs bump him all over the place…work on release so he can have a slight advantage off the ball
3. Cocky…too cocky for mediocre play
4. Routes…i dont know if you guys watch this guy in his routes…i think he “jukes” waaaay toooo much…plant and stick your cuts thats all!
5. #2 WR…that’s all he is…we need big, speedy #1 WR ie Blackmon in the draft lol..((i really do think K. Williams will do outstanding next year for us))
wow
easier to write " i hate you Crabtree with a passion"
where are you getting this from?
area where Crabtree needs help: better qb play, can he throw himself the ball?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 7, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
watch the games!
you cant throw to him if he’s not open…watch him off the ball, by the time Alex is done with his 3 step drop he is still tryin to come off the ball…thats why they are never in sync and thats why VD didnt have a "Great" reg season (double teamed)..teams double VD and let Crab try and win the game……
you cant throw to him if he’s not open --- Alex never tries how can we say that...
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We aren't in the NFC Championship game if Alex throws to a covered Crabtree
We’ve all seen how that has turned out in past seasons.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Yup.
It ends up bounced into the air and then going the other way. Did everybody suddenly forget he dropped 3 easy passes against the Saints?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 7, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Alex remembered those drops in the NFC Championship game.
Alex doesn’t trust Crabtree — or his own ability to get the ball to any outside receiver — to the degree that he trusts Vernon Davis…or his ability to get the ball to an inside receiver. Alex only throws the ball up for the receiver to make a play on the ball when he knows that the WR has 1-on-1 coverage.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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I cant believe this.
How could he have the audacity to not trust someone because of a game? He should not even have a job if the appropriate people held him to that standard. If he doesn’t trust Crabtree he isn’t this nice guy everyone claims he is, I mean really, Smith losing trust in someone over a season of bad play is pretty hilarious.
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by rlott#42 on Feb 7, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because it's not really a game
It’s that Crabtree and Smith have never really hit it off like he has with Davis and Morgan. I think those drops re-inforced Smith’s decision not to throw to a covered Crabtree in the NFCG (not saying it’s really right or wrong).
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Also I think it's not really a lack of trust factor
so much as it is a “it’s raining like hell out here and I can’t necessarily trust this dude who hasn’t often showcased his ability to make a wild catch during sunny games to make a great play and get some separation in horrible weather conditions.”
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Alex consistently chooses the "safe" throw...
And when the pocket collapses because he’s taken too long to decide to make a throw, he takes a sack, or rolls out to the right for the safest throw of them all…to the Gatorade cooler. That cooler is our true #1 receiver.
We still have Harbaugh. So there's hope.
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by grantmp on Feb 7, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I mean would you rather it be intercepted?
And he adopt a gunslinger mentality?
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
I don't want him to adopt a gunslinger mentality.
I want him to make the scary throw…perfectly…every time.
His tendency to choose and make the safe throw was obviously a reason for the Niners’ success in 2011. But he obviously has limitations. Anybody that would suggest that he has the same kind of confidence as, say, Eli Manning is kidding themselves.
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which is exactly how Harbaugh wants it
Alex Smith: 25 or more TD's, 15 or fewer INT's in 2012. I'm not a AS apologist or defender, I'm a believer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVbSMTGMyI
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Staley was getting beat up there
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
Alex did the right thing in stepping up and help Staley block like that.
Gave Staley the correct position. I love it when everything clicks on offense.
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don't ruin perfect moments...
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Sorry, it's just that I'd love to see Alex do that more often
Way more often.
Every game often.
"It all depends on the quarterback."
---Jerry Rice
Why is it everything you write is biased to the extreme in the anti-Alex direction?
Before you tar and feather me as an apologist, I’m not. I see Alex’s flaws and I also am not blind to his many strengths. Open your eyes a little more and you’ll see that you don’t hate Alex the player but rather the Alex who symbolizes what the team has struggled with the past decade.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us"
watching the games!
you cant throw to him if he’s not open…watch him off the ball, by the time Alex is done with his 3 step drop he is still tryin to come off the ball…thats why they are never in sync and thats why VD didnt have a “Great” reg season (double teamed)..teams double VD and let Crab try and win the game……
This topic is getting pretty filled so I made a new topic
http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/2/7/2784000/official-draft-nn-draft-thread
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