Peyton Manning Rumors: Colts QB Struggling To Get Healthy, According To Reports
by David Fucillo on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 AM PST
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PrintI know some folks are over the Peyton Manning chatter before it even begins, but there is enough going on that I think it is worth tracking to a certain extent. I don't think Peyton Manning ends up with the 49ers in 2012, although I would imagine the front office will at least kick the tires and do their due diligence.
The latest news on Manning came last night before the Pro Bowl as Peter King indicated Manning is still struggling in his attempts to return to full health. The Colts have until March 8 to decide whether or not they are prepared to pay Manning a bonus of $28 million. I would imagine if they do want to keep him they are negotiating around that bonus, but otherwise, it seems more and more likely that Manning is cut by that date.
In his Monday Morning Quarterback column, Peter King mentioned how even though we'll be clubbed over the head with (Peyton) Manning stories this week leading up to the Super Bowl, we should still give the process time to develop. I've got to say, there is a certain level of irony in his comments today given that he will be chattering about this until the cows come home.
Nonetheless, the next month will be both interesting and feeling like we're banging our head against a wall. If Manning's neck remains a question mark, it makes any decision that much easier. Whatever the upside of Manning, if there is concern about the neck, this is really a non-starter of a decision. We'll try not to overload you with Manning chatter, but again, it remains sufficiently pertinent that occasional updates are warranted.
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Assuming healthy, how much does Peyton Manning cost?
Because Alex Smith will cost us in the $8-12M/yr range, after all he did lead us to a NFC Championship game and everyone seems to agree he was improved in 2011 despite some obvious flaws in his game.
If Manning comes to the 49ers it is because he wants to win a Superbowl so you’d have to assume he’d be not much more than the upper end of that number. That still means we can get all our key free agents and at least one major WR signing. The only thing that doesn’t really fit is the offensive scheme.
One thing is clear. You can’t have them both.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 30, 2012 11:48 AM PST reply actions
Pay-ton, as in tons of cash
He got $28 million last year just for walking the sidelines (and coaches box) while glaring at this team mates in frustration…
Not an issue, I think he will retire ans start coaching soon….
by Mood_Indigo on Jan 30, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
My thought is $28M for doing nothing means you can take a paycut this year
just to land on a team that is competing for a ring. Retirement aside obviously.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 30, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Because Alex Smith will cost us in the $8-12M/yr range
Boy I can’t wait for salary cap hell part 2
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 30, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
8-12 guaranteed?
Count me as doubtful he’ll get that much upfront. BTW, that “8 to 11 million” range was reported exactly once, with Matt Maiocco quoting “officials around the league” as its source. So there’s no reason to take it gospel.
by ninerspride on Jan 30, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I want us to pay him for the QB he is, not for where he got us
For his production, he should get paid 6-8 million a year for a couple years and maybe get 3-4 million guaranteed
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 30, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
He got 4 million guaranteed this year, and maxed out his incentives
for a total of 6.5 million. A reasonable raise would be 6 million guaranteed, with another $4 million on the table in incentives. I can see the contract getting up to 8 million guaranteed, but $12 million is ridiculous.
IMO, Alex Smith will not be paid 12 million next year guaranteed, and he will be cheaper than peyton manning, as well as 15 other quarterbacks in this league.
by ninerspride on Jan 30, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I'M NOBODY, but what I heard was
SF offering 8-9, Alex camp will ask for 10-11… so I say give the 8-9 for 3-5 yr range with heavy incentives based on this years performance
salary cap hell?
Considering he’s likely getting a deal in the three year range, I think that’s a little bit of an overreaction. And if Kaepernick progresses sufficiently, no big guarantees makes life a lot easier.
Not that I’d pay him double digit millions, but a short term deal doesn’t mean cap hell.
by David Fucillo on Jan 30, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Could we, please, stop talking about Payton Manning?
The whole idea makes NO sense. We are going to the Superbowl next year without him. At worst we will get to the conference title game.
Book it.
agree
about Peyton.
But your guarantees label you as young and inexperienced. Many things came together to make this season work, and it will take a LOT of work both off season, and during, just to win the division. THAT is a guarantee.
by TheCatch81 on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
^ Truth
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Jan 30, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I was young.
I guess I am young at heart.
I like your optimism
Keep in mind that 6 of the last 7 losers at the NFC Championship game did not even make it to the playoffs the following season.
by Mood_Indigo on Jan 30, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
And a 6-10 team with a rookie headcoach
should have never of made it to the NFC championship game
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
I'm actually predicting the team regresses next year
Thanks to a tougher schedule, higher expectations and the fact that other teams will gear up for the Niners more next year.
They should still be pretty good though. The future is bright.
Yup
I dont see them going 13-3 like this year. If the offense comes to play next season it could be different story.
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Yeah, this is possibly our best chance to get as far as we got, and thanks to Kyle Williams and our pathetic offense we might not be in this position again for a few years at least
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 30, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Just like people want to stop talking about manning lets stop talking about kyle
okay his play hurt us but damm turn the page like i said NN should have a open thread all this off-season n you can go there curse n scream n say anything other than death-threats n talking about his family n thats it.Once you get in other threads his name shouldn’t come up.Now i know thats not realistic espcially this early because the wounds are still open but damm enough already!!!!
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry man get used to it.
Just how other 49er pivotal historic moments are still talked about today, Kyle and his mistakes will forever be talked about. You wanna blame someone? Blame him for costing us dearly.
Do you see were i said its not realistic,hell i could say if we got one of those
2 interceptions our DBs who ran into each other we would of won that game or maybe harbaugh either stops kyle from punt return or tells him either fair catch it or get the hell away from it once its kicked.Yea kyle turn-overs hurt us alot but it wasn’t just him we wasn’t lightining up before his turn overs,what was we on 3rd down 1 for 35(i know we wasn’t 1-35) i’m just saying it wasn’t all on him although his gaffs hurt us alot!!!!
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 30, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Culliver
Maybe you should look at that play again, Culliver didn’t keep playing until the whistle blew—the man he was blocking recovered the fumble. Yes, Kyle fumbled, but there is a team involved. Obviously the guy that got to Kyle to force the fumble wasn’t effectively blocked either.
I keep hearing people bitching about Nate Clements losing a game last year. No, he didn’t. His play didn’t help, but the rest of the game and team had a lot to do with being in the position to lose.
You never know
Who thought we would go 13-3 this season?
by 49erEmpire on Jan 30, 2012 12:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Higher expectations, Yes, Tougher Schedule No
All teams in the division essentially play the same schedule next year.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825a5cfa/article/opponents-set-for-2012-season
Opponents for next year based on 2011 records, Niners 108-100, Cardinals 109-99, Rams and Seahawks 106-102. These are small potatoes, but I do expect a regression, because 13-3 is pretty tough, regardless of schedule.
I was speaking more of the Niners schedule next year vs. the Niners schedule this year
NOT a comparison vs. other teams in the division.
Also important...
Several of the good teams that we play next year are road games. And, while good teams generally change from year to year, these are the ones with the league’s best QB’s, so it’s a pretty safe bet they will be good next season:
Packers @ Lambeau
Saints @ the Superdome
Patriots @Foxborough.
I suspect we will have an even better team next year, but with a slightly worse record.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I’m thinking 10-6 and another NFC West title.
Thats without Manning. And I personally would rather see the 2 rookie QB’s get a shot.
Agent Dunham....Walternate testified that in his universe, AleX Smith is a pro-bowl QB for the Saints, and broke Trent Dilfer's season record of 6000 yards passing. Walter....Thats nice, more LSD please.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Would love to upgrade Alex, but unless that Kaepernick I just don't see it happening this year. We won't spend on a FA QB, nor should be. Bring in Josh Johnson to compete.
“NFL history shows that the efficient quarterback model is not one that you can carry year to year. It works for a specific season in which the schedule is favorable, the schemes work wonders for the quarterback and the surrounding talent is healthy and superior.”
Barring a spate major injuries
Niners will have at least 11 wins and win NFCWest.
But a path through home field to the Super Bowl? Unlikely.
The only way we remain a playoff conteder is if the offense improves
If you are sticking with Alex Smith, that is a huge question mark in my mind.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 30, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
You don't say...
Shocking…
While he wasn’t amazing this year, I think it’s hard to argue with the notion that it was HIS best season.
Based on increasing comfort in the offense, a full offseason, and the team fixing a couple problem areas (right guard, get some wide receivers), it’s not unreasonable to expect him to be better next year.
He won’t be Brady, but the guy DID win us some games this year…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
And to be fair
he didn’t win some games for us as well.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't call it "regress," but not getting to 13-3...well, ok
the schedule rotation sees us at New England and New York, as well as GB and New Orleans. Some tough ones that will test this team and help them grow.
I think we’ll be a better team next year, albeit one with more losses going into the playoffs. Yes, playoffs. My guess: 11-5.
And, I for one, can’t wait for the home tilts against the NY Giants (payback time) and the Lions (well they just annoy you to death, right?).
"We want to win with numbing repetition." -- Jim Harbaugh
by four-nine heavy on Jan 30, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
it is just getting started
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s an interesting topic… But until he’s completely healthy, it is kind of pointless to talk about….
by pigskin slapper on Jan 30, 2012 12:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If it's true Peyton is struggling, he should just reitre
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
may just be rumors spread by the colts; but neck injuries are series.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta believe that's where it is coming from
You can’t cut Manning and keep your fanbase without making the “it was too great of a risk” argument.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 30, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
moreso if you've got the #1 overall pick
in hand and the QB replacement is supposedly a no-brainer. But then, QB controversies within a franchise are always a divisive point among fans.
Montana~Young
Favre~Rodgers
Wouldn't it be crazy...
if Luck turned out to be better than Manning?
I’m happy for Rodgers that things have turned out so well, both because he was stepping into a tough situation, AND because I dislike Wranglers McDicktext, and enjoy seeing his era recede into the rearview…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
I once saw a Brett Favre bobblehead for sale
…and thought, wow, now Jenn Sterger isn’t the only one who’s seen a 4-inch Brett Favre.
by flibbidy on Jan 30, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
crickets
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
I thought it was amazing!
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
what is really funny is what they both did with the brett farve
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
or luck turned out to be a bust.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
It's possible
But while I’m not sold on the hype that has anointed him the greatest NFL QB of all-time before he has even entered the league, I can’t see him being any worse than 10th-15th ranked starting QB in the league.
However, if he DOES turn into that, I suspect nearly everyone will label him a bust.
Kind of like Alex?
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
that's why I keep saying...IF... PM is healthy enough to play, why would they let him go
new CBA will allow Luck to be cheap enough to maintain both QB’s
True
But based on their actions so far, my best guess is that he’s either not healthy, or it’s uncertain enough that the Colts won’t pay what it costs to keep them, and are willing to roll the dice on another excellent prospect who is young and healthy.
If he were likely to be just fine, I think they would retain him, if only for a monster trade.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 30, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
and if he IS healthy enough to play, why would you chance on dumping him and having Luck become the BIGGEST bust ever...?
chances are Luck won’t be, but a healthy Manning, you don’t just let go. even with the “greatest prospect” since Elway
Peyton Manning-an accident looking to happen!
I may be wrong but I believe P.M. injuries are to the neck area(not good) and one hit could end his career—I don’t see the 49er’s signing him. Also anyone who has looked at next years schedule would say that it’s going to be a bigger challenge than this year was.I’m proud of our team(since 1950’s Kezar stadium) and always hope we’ll go all the way but am prepared to accept reality.GO NINERS!!!
The idea that the Niners will go after Peyton
is only slightly above (in ridiculousness) the idea that the Niners were going to tank the season for Andrew Luck…
why?
Not saying you’re right or wrong, but why you do you think it’s so ridiculous?
by David Fucillo on Jan 30, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
because no team wants one of the best QBs ever...that's pretty easy to answer
by Coretete on Jan 30, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
two neck surgeries, most likely would cost an insane amount of money because of how good he is, just a very high risk aquisition. Add onto that the fact that Alex finally had a pretty good year and I think this organization will believe he has earned atleast another year or two as the starter if he keeps this level of play up. And my final point would be that the Niners typically never go after the very big name free agents or big name potential trades such as your asoughmuwa’s (sp), Michael Vick’s, Mcnabb, Haynesworth a few years ago, etc. NOW, that being said…who the heck knows, the Niners could very well do it. I just really don’t think they will even talk to the Colts about a possible trade.
Yea i really like all the optimism people have for next year i know stats n all that BS
say teams regress after coming off of making to the NFC-championship but you almost act like this season was a fluke we had. In my opinion the best defense in the league,hell justin smith is being consideed defensive MVP n all i hear is stats here n stats there next sseason schedule is really hard,were not sneaking up on people,teams will be up 2 play us every game.You mean team wasn’t up 2 play us when were 8-1 (let me use my new york accent on this)" Get the outta here "yea you can stretch stats to favor aything in sports but what happen to just plain old " belief"i’m tired of all the negative BS lets come NN with a more positive out-look i’m glad we have a hard schedule (although any team can beat you on any giving sunday or monday) thats good it only make us better come playoff time.It sounds like it was just harbaugh out there playing 11 on 1 he made a huuuuge difference fo us but so did our players so a little more belief in our players than in stats.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 30, 2012 1:39 PM PST reply actions
Everyone loves the defense
There is just an argument over whether Alex Smith at the helm is the team’s best hope to increase offensive production. Everyone agrees Alex Smith improved in 2011. Whether that was by 5% or 100% is in question and whether that growth can continue in 2012.
I don’t think this year was a fluke on any level, but I don’t believe we will be +26 in turnovers next year meaning we will be more reliant on our offense to move the ball and not enjoy so many short fields.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 30, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
not just red zone, see below
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
much to be improved on with the offense.
49ers offensive struggles in 2011
Category Total NFL rank
Net passing yards 183.1 29th
Pct. of red-zone drives resulting in TD 40.7 30th
Third-down conversion pct. 29.4 31st
Three-and-out drives 49 T-23rd
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Better depth at WR could help with this
The return of Morgan, plus a possible draft pick and/or free agent signing, although Edwards obviously didn’t work out so well.
Anyone else worried Josh won't be the same year one after injury?
"We want to win with numbing repetition." -- Jim Harbaugh
by four-nine heavy on Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
no
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
It was a broken ankle, and not an acl right?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
wideouts only catch the ball; must be thrown first.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Why is there so much speculation about this BIG contract? No team that is a contender, will fork over 15 plus million, for two seasons of “can he stay healthy.”. It makes sense for the niners if Smith is under contract, I personally doubt Smith will do worlds better than kaepernick could as a starter. Could be wrong, but I could be right.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
newton and dalton made the pro bowl; how do you know kaepernick could not have and will not next year if given the chance?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 30, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Not saying he can't not saying he can, but I believe that next season I'd rather see kaepernick.
Teams have seen us for a full season. No more element of surprise.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
agree
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
NO
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
and romo to the niners?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
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