NFL Mock Draft 2012: Do 49ers Go WR First Round Or Free Agency?
The 49ers made a roster move today as they signed former practice squad wide receiver John Matthews to a Reserve/Future contract. He was on the practice squad once in mid October and again in late November through the end of the season. He has a useful Jim Harbaugh connection as he played for Coach Harbaugh at the University of San Diego.
This all comes on the heels of the unit's poor performance in the NFC Championship Game. And really over the course of the season, there were some inconsistencies. Michael Crabtree took steps forward during the regular season, but the team likely will look for someone who can bring a greater deep presence alongside Vernon Davis.
Most mock drafts these days have the 49ers selecting a wide receiver with pick No. 30 in the first round. It is hard to mock that far down with any certainty given how much can happen through the first 29 picks. Nonetheless, certain players do seem to settle into the top half and it gives some semblance of an idea of things.
SB Nation released their latest mock draft and have the 49ers drafting Rutgers receiver Mohamed Sanu. They have previously mocked in guys like Alshon Jeffery and Kendall Wright, along with Sanu. For other folks, the 49ers would be best served trying to sign a guy like Dwayne Bowe, DeSean Jackson or Marques Colston in free agency.
If the 49ers grab a guy like Bowe in free agency, I would imagine they would not go WR in the first round barring some huge drop. On the other hand, if they do not grab a big name in free agency, maybe they then try and get Sanu, Jeffery or Wright, among others. Of course, there are no sure things in the draft, while free agency busts can be prominent as well.
How would you handle it? Or do you think wide receiver really isn't a significant issue? For the sake of argument, try and assume Alex Smith will be back in 2012 and will likely be the starting quarterback. You don't have to if you don't want to, but it might help focus the discussion a bit.
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The answer to the question is Yes
or for purposes of your Poll, both.
Would like to see a first round draft pick and an under the radar FA. We learned this season that you need 6 WRs to start the season. Some positions you can get away with practice squad guys, not the WR position in the 49er offense.
i want jackson but not the 1 you think.....
desaun is a great reciver no question about it but he got some T.O drama. I want vincent Jackson a big fast reciver who can be there for the 3rd down we need so badly. yes I know his attitude hasnt always been pervect but I personally though he handled it better and I can aargue that desaun chose not to play when he was on the field. vincent always played when he was on field even if he wasnt happy with the contract. That is my 2 cents.
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by foreveryoung66 on Jan 30, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Concerning free agent wide receivers (other than our own) ...
Vincent Jackson is the least likely of the UFA wideouts to be signed because he is by far the most expensive … was franchised last year and made $11.4M; he will want BIG BUCKS … more than the Niners can afford, given the need to re-sign so many of their own UFAs.
Colston made $3M this year but there is absolutely no way that the Saints will let him get away … in a money crunch they’d let Nicks go before Colston.
Most likely candidate would be Bowe … he’s the youngest, the least expensive ($2.8M this year) and probably the most eager to go somewhere else … for a chance at a ring or two.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 30, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Great analysis 1950.
I was thinking of Bowe as well, and your analysis helps it a lot. From what I saw of Bowe last year, he is big, strong and demands coverage. I think a receiver like Dwayne Bowe would free up our tight ends and our slot receivers, i.e. Josh Morgan.
Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!!
Bowe is solid
But the upside beast is Stevie Johnson. He’s the sneaky pickup. Nice thing about Bowe and Johnson is that both them are productive with bad qbs.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 30, 2012 8:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just my opinion
But after watching him at UK, then seeing him this year, that dude is a head case.
I’d pass, but that’s just me. I’d take almost any of those FAs save for D-Jax over Johnson.
Hope I’m wrong, but he’s always been a problem. One of my buddies played with him for a year at UK, so I’m just going off what I see and what my buddy on the team told me.
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by Blank x2 on Jan 30, 2012 8:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not a fan of him either
Drops the ball in huge situations.
Dropped the game winning catch last year against pittsburgh and dropped it twice on the last drive against the jets
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Higher completion rate than Bowe
A drop or two is pretty normal. Dude destroyed Revis and fights for balls.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 30, 2012 8:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Drops have nothing to do with it
His attitude is awful. Why bring him here?
I only say that because I know somebody who actually knows Johnson from playing with him in college.
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by Blank x2 on Jan 31, 2012 7:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but the Bills Blow
They could franchise him but I’m sure given the choice to go to a winning team with the offers being relatively equal, he’s jumping ship.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 30, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Both...
We need more than one person to help the WR corps. Sign Jackson or Colston, and draft someone to plug in on the other side…put Crabs in the slot…Morgan and Williams can both sub in and be productive. All of a sudden we’re a legit WR threat.
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by Tantrum16 on Jan 30, 2012 4:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'd obviously prefer
Bowe/Jackson/Colston/Meachem/Manningham
in FA and then another 2-5th rounder on the position. You guys see that Alshon Jeffrey signed with Eugene Parker? Gotta think that dissuades the Niners from drafting him but who knows. Have we signed any of his other clients besides Crabtree?
Meachem....cost effective choice.
And can stretch the field.
with the slotting system, what is the potential impact of drafting a player with the 30th pick who has signed with a pain in the butt agent?
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
Gotta do both
I’m thinking hopefully they can get Dwayne Bowe, but if one of the other 6’2" or taller guys becomes a possibility at a more reasonable price, I’m all for it. But we’re talking somebody who could be a potential # 1, or at the very least somebody like Meachem who has the speed to stretch the field and allow for Crabtree to be more effective. So then you bring back Morgan and Ginn (primarily as the returner… can’t imagine he’ll be getting large $ offers), and you draft another prospect who has a large frame, somewhere in the 3rd-6th round, bring in another body or 3 in undrafted FAs or league minimum veterans so there is some competition.
This would leave us with an ideal situation of # 1: Bowe/Jackson/Johnson/Colston/Meachem/etc…
- 2 Crabtree
- 3 Morgan
- 4 Kyle Williams
- 5 drafted rookie
- 6 Ted Ginn (also # 1 return man)
by Kevin SF Giants NYC on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
just find the tallest guy out there
Whether it’s draft or FA. Jackson might seem like a natural fit, but the Eagles have had similar red zone issues due to their relatively undersized receivers. We need an Optimus Prime to match Megatron.
That’s how teams like Jaxonville end up with guys like matt jones….
by Ritzy9er on Jan 30, 2012 9:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Catching range most important.
The Niners need a guy who can catch the football in a huge range like Megatron, Dez Bryant, Andre and Fitz. On the lower rung guys like Hicks, Bowe and Colston. The question is with so many guys to resign on defense how much can they really offer one of these FA guys? I would think they’d be limited somewhat with Rogers, Goldson and Brooks looking for a decent check. Not to mention signing Alex and trying to keep Snyder around. I would let Ginn walk unless his price is reasonable, sign Meachum and draft McNutt or Toon in the second rounds. Both guys offer something the Niners were missing……WR’s that can beat press coverage.
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Thasall I gots to say fo that.
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by TheCatch81 on Jan 30, 2012 5:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I Hope Jeffrey is Available at 30
Doesn’t matter if we sign Bowe, Jackson, Colston, or anyone at all. Jeffrey is a freak athlete and would have to be drafted then. That being said, I highly doubt he will be there at 30. Sanu will be a good fit, big receiver, great hands, but I doubt he drops that low. We will probably need to move up a bit, but it could definitely pay off for either Jeffrey or Sanu.
agreed
Especially careful considering this Crabtree debacle.
by baumannm2209 on Jan 30, 2012 6:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rather have Coby Fleener than Jeffery
He’s bigger, faster, and more athletic. If we signed a top FA like Bowe or Johnson and add Fleener. We’d have some serious weapons, who are they gonna double team?
by AthleticsReign on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
None. This group of receivers are a show me the money group. At least the Jacksons are. Bowe may want to come here, but I doubt he takes a discount to play with Alex. My vote is the draft, we need a combination of size and speed. It’s in the sig!
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Do not want manningham, is oft injured and not a starter.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Me too, I'd like to see Morgan go though.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
I like the 4 recievers we have
But we lack a number 1 guy. we have a great 2 3 4 guy in Crab Morgan and Williams (Williams at WR.. Ginn at KR). The only great number 1s I see out there are Bowe and Jackson. If we cant get them I say go for the draft with Alshon/Sanu/and the Baylor guy… in that order.
I’d love Bowe, an under the radar FA like Eddie Royal and a first or 2nd round draft pick. Team them up with Crabs and Morgan and our receiving crew all of a sudden would look pretty decent. not sure all that’s in the budget, but it’d go far to help us solve our woes and give us depth at the same time.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 30, 2012 5:47 PM PST reply actions
i second that.
I highly doubt NO lets him go. But he is a big, strong target with great hands and ability to catch over the middle. Why is he so undervalued by people here?
by itsAteamGAME on Jan 30, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Don't know
Not a self promoter. Quiet guy. Averaging over 1,000 yards a year for his six years. I think he’s a perfect fit.
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The only legit knock is injury prone
He has had some issues. I’d love to get him in red/gold though.
86 starts in 6 season
So he misses a couple of games a year on average.
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free agency addition
Resign Ginn, get Morgan healthy, get Crabtree some solid off season reps, develop Williams and sign a quality FA in Colston or Bowe. This would free up the draft for CB, FS, OLB, RB depth and more!
by baumannm2209 on Jan 30, 2012 6:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
This. Short, to the point, and pretty much nailed it.
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by four-nine heavy on Jan 30, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Niners need at least 2 WR
either FA or Draft .. morgan is always hurt every season but if he can play 16 games next season he should be good, GINN is not really a quality type WR better for PR/KR and occasionally WR and other type of trick plays, williams, well we’ve seen what he could do to a team in the playoffs, need help/reserve in CB, and need another RB, aldon smith should do great next season and hopefully he doesnt have drinking problems
Yea Buddy!
We Sign Bowe, Nicks, Snyder, Carlos, Rodger, Goldson, Alex
Let Brooks Walk Unless Its The Right Price For Us
& We Draft A Outside Line Back If Brooks Walk Or A Corner. This Is A QB Leauge So We Need All The Great Corners We Can Get.
2.DE Or OL
3.Juron Criner
4.KR/PR Wide Reciever
5,6,7 Round. Draft For Depth
by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 30, 2012 6:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
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by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 30, 2012 6:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Conversation between me and myself
Me: God I wish we had a 1000 yard receiver
Myself: Me too but you do realize how many passing yards Alex Smith threw for this year right?
Me: Ya around 3000 right?
Myself: 3144 yards to be exact.
Me: So what? Crabtree is still a bust for not hitting 1000 yards.
Myself: So you want Crabtree to have about 32% of the teams passing yards?
Me: Well ya it can’t be that hard?
Myself: You do realize that #1 WRs have around 27-30% of the teams receiving yards. Except for Fitzgerald who has around 36% because Kolb and Skeleton only know how to throw it to him.
Me: Oh what is Crabtree’s? I bet its like 15%
Myself: Its around 28%
Me: Oh so you are telling me that the Crabtree’s low (874 yards) is based on scheme? And that if we add a new WR he will probably produce the same amount as Crabtree and will be considered a bust too?
Myself: Now you (I?) got it. Also we have a TE named Vernon Davis who Alex likes to throw to and add in the fact that according to yahoo Crabtree only played 15 games.
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but I like myself
He gives me company. The only thing is that they don’t like I that much. So instead of me, myself and I playing together just me and myself play together and I has to play with himself.
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Oh ya I voted neither
not worth getting a FA WR and we don’t rely on WRs all that much. If we draft one day 1 it will be a waste.
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Sure, no receiver is going to post crazy numbers in the 49ers system
But that doesn’t mean the team could get more out of the position. The only thing those “percentage of team receiving yards” numbers tell us is that Crabtree is the best receiver on the 49ers as of now. He was the target of 115 of Alex Smith’s throws. He caught 73 of them, and ended the season with 874 yards and 4 touchdowns. The question we should be asking is: Would another receiver have done more with 115 balls? Here are the stats from some WRs in similar positions (questionable QBs, strong running games, and not a lot of other weapons on their team):
- Brandon Marshall got 1214 yards and 6 touchdowns out of 145 passes from Chad Henne.
- Dwayne Bowe got 1159 yards and 5 touchdowns out of 141 passes from Matt Cassel/Tyler Palko/Kyle Orton.
- Percy Harvin got 967 yards and 6 touchdowns out of 122 passes from McNabb/Ponder/Webb.
- A.J. Green got 1057 yards and 7 touchdowns out of 116 passes from Andy Dalton.
So yeah, If Crabtree was any of those guys, the team would have gotten 100-400 more yards this season. That’s not nothing.
*all stats from my ESPN fantasy league. I’m not sure where you can find them on ESPN’s public site, sorry.
You also fail to mention the scheme
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also they wouldn't have gotten 100-300 more yards
Marshall 962
Bowe 945
Harvin 911
Green 1047
So only one of those WRs would have gotten more than 100 yards more than Crabtree. I don’t have the stats infront of me but I would like to compare the depth of each target.
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I think I found the espn fantasy stats site
And you’re right that the difference wouldn’t been as stark as 300 yards. All of them would have gained more than Crabtree, though. And I would also argue that Smith is better than the QB throwing to Bowe, Harvin, Green, and Marshall. My guess is their numbers would consequently improve even more than Yards Per Target suggests.
Also did you see catch rate?
Marshall 55.9%
Bowe 57.4%
Harvin: 71.3%
Green: 56.0%
Crabtree: 63.4%
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Who brought these examples up?
Maybe Marshall, Bowe and Crabtree make a good comparison. AJ Green was a deep threat receiver this season while Harvin plays the slot.
Combined its a good look at the three receivers mentioned above. Marshall and Bowe have more conventional stats but a lot of passes are thrown their way.
not me
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He was targeted 15 times in the postseason
and caught five balls for 28 yards and a TD. Vernon also got 15 targets, ended the postseason with 10 catches, 292 yards, and 4 TDs.
So, what, that’s all on Alex? He’s a great QB throwing to Vernon but a terrible one throwing to Crabs?
I don’t think Crabs is a terrible WR — he just hasn’t shown that he’s anything other than replacement level. I think he has the potential to be a solid #2 in this system and put up great numbers against man coverage. But for that to work, this team needs a #1 to draw coverage away from Crabs and VD.
Umm really?
You are really going to use two games as a reason why a guy is horrible. Ok give me a little bit of time and I will show you why Jerry Rice is horrible. He dropped 3 balls in the Saints game and 0 that I remember in the Giants game. So 6 of those targets that Alex threw at him aren’t even catchable.
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So how was Vernon getting good balls thrown his way?
I think it has something to do with the Davis and Smith being on the same page, or Davis finding a way to get open when Crabtree couldn’t. At some point, 15 targets is 15 targets. If you don’t think we can compare two pass catchers with the same QB in the same two games, I don’t know how the hell you think we can evaluate players.
But you’re right, its a small sample size. The large sample size stats are listed above, in which Crabtree basically rates as an average #1 receiver with stats that don’t compare favorably to receivers in similar situations as him. (For comparison’s sake, Davis got 1084 yards and 10 TDs on 110 targets if you include the playoffs). Crabtree’s average, not elite, and the 49ers could do better.
Because VD was covered with small LBs
and Alex Smith actually threw 3 decent throws.
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It's harder to find mis-matches for Crabtree. Plus, Alex excels throwing in the middle of the field.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
You and alot of others are doing the SAME thing at the Qb position...!!
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here is a whole season
49ers offensive struggles in 2011
Category Total NFL rank
Net passing yards 183.1 29th
Pct. of red-zone drives resulting in TD 40.7 30th
Third-down conversion pct. 29.4 31st
Three-and-out drives 49 T-23rd
so the two games are actually pretty close to the regular season which had 16 games
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
He was targeted 5 times
but I can count from memory alone that alex threw the ball at his feet at least 4 times. And they weren’t even close to being catchable passes. When they were catchable they were too high and forced Crabtree out of bounds
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made a mistake in my post. Ignore the "he was targeted 5 times" part
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I was thinking
He could have ran his routes 4 yards short that way he could have caught the balls before the 1st bounce on the grass.
He was running his routes 4 yards short.
And remained covered all game. That’s a throw away pass for all accounts.
Receivers who get open get the ball from Alex just fine. I guess you already forgot the previous game.
That was me
I picked the receivers mostly on targets and QB play (specifically, not elite QB play). I see your point on Green, who was running a lot of deep routes. Perhaps Stevie Johnson (1004 yards on 134 targets, 56.7% CR) or Nate Washington (1023 yards on 121 targets, 61.3% CR) are better comparisons, since they are all-around receivers playing with average QBs.
All those teams are pretty similar to the 49ers
in that they run the ball, a lot. Crabtree, Bowe, Green, and Marshall all play on teams that rank in the top ten in rushing attempts, with Harvin playing for number 13. All five are the leading receivers on their team, and, at least from my subjective reading, are not surrounded by A-list talent at receiver at tight end (the exception being Vernon Davis).
Is that what you mean by scheme? Or are you saying Crabtree is only running 5 yard outs?
I'm saying that Smith only throws 5 yard outs
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I think the same can be said
of Miami and Kansas City, at least from the few games I’ve seen of theirs. I don’t know that much about Cincinnati and Minnesota’s offenses, to be honest, although I can’t imagine Ponder was flinging the ball downfield a lot.
My larger point is that receivers can do good things in ground-and-pound offenses. Crabtree was solid, but it’s not like he was balling out there and simply didn’t get thrown to. Lots of other receivers posted similar or better numbers in the same situation, sometimes with worse quarterbacks, worse running backs, and a worse supporting cast. That’s why I think the Niners will see an upgrade if they add a high-end WR to the team.
Give Crabtree 140+ targets and he'll break 1000 yards too.
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you also faield to mention how many times Alex missed Crabtree when he was wide open
73 catches + 10drops (give or take a few) = 83
115 targets – 83 catchable balls = 32 bad throws from Alex
judging from my awesome math skills, if alex threw the ball better, Crabtree could’ve gotten gotten 1000+ yards easily
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Fair point
Drops are a tricky stat, though. Receivers don’t get tagged with a drop if they run the wrong route or if they get the ball batted away. At the same time, those 32 “bad throws” could be lowballing the true number, since that doesn’t count times when Alex checks down to Gore instead of throwing it deep to Crabs. So who knows what the “bad throw” count really is.
That’s why I tried to pick receivers who have questionable QBs to compare with Crabtree. Personally, I think Smith is better than Fitzpatrick, Ponder, Dalton, and Cassel, but he’s closer to their level than he is to the Bradys and Breeses of the league.
No idea but it goes against Crabtree
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I think Crab has #1 ability...
With a whole off-season they should be a better group anyway. I doubt adding a big name guy will make them that much better unless he’s Megatron, Fitz or Andre.
If we can get Megatron Fitz or Andre I will shut up
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I remember having an imaginary friend.
But that was a long time ago….
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by Blank x2 on Jan 31, 2012 7:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It is a mistake to think
That the system we used with no off season and with limited tallent at reciever is the ideal system that Harbs is going to roll out every year. He took what he had and made a system for it. If he had better weapons on the outside the routes, distribution, and attack would all be differnt.
I see these blanket statements about the 49ers system… that was last years system based on last years players. You can’t possibly think that that is all Harbs is about.
I hate to agree with the baby Cohn
The 49ers need to draft TE Coby Fleener. In their offense he instantly becomes their #2 or #3 top target. Trust the scouts to find two young serviceable WRs in the mid and late rounds. Let all the UDFA know that roster spots are available at WR in SF.
Run the TE mismatch offense with a QB who only excels at getting the ball to the TEs. Let the coaching staff try to figure out some usable plays on the outside with a group of young, unknown receivers.
Why would any FA wr would want to come here?
So they can get a nice slice of that 3144 passing yards?
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UDFA flock to any roster they think they can make
The 49ers got Ian Williams into camp last year cause everyone knew their was huge hole at NT.
I skipped the D
I saw UFA
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For a good chance at a super bowl ring
by ColoradoNiner on Jan 30, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They will lose all of their stats
Be known as a FA bust
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They will win and be getting paid
Not seeing the downside here.
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by Blank x2 on Jan 31, 2012 7:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
You are assuming that 3k is all we will ever have
Crabs and BE both had opertunities that were just flat out blown. Either by Alex or the WR’s. There were plenty of TD’s and yards left on the field.
Alex will never be a 5k passer but this offense throws more than people give it creadit and had a ton of rust all over it last year. Alex with his first ever year with the same OC will improve on that 3k.
49ers are a hot young team and harbs is popular in the league. FA’s will want to play here.
history tends to repeat itself
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
So our first year in a system with no offseason
Is just going to keep repeating itself? I think not. The O made huge improvements over the year before. It will continue to progress. This isn’t the best we’ve seen yet.
How about giving harbs a full off season before you write him off as a 3k offense.
I read that article as well.
But what happened to Delanie Walker? He’s had some drops, yes, but so did Vernon Davis?
Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!!
I've been driving the replace Delanie Walker bandwagon since maybe this time last year
I probably see at least one or two plays a game with Walker where a big play is right there but he isn’t talented enough to get it done. He is not a bad player, has some talent and would be #2 TE on most teams. However considering what the 49ers do offensively an upgrade at his spot would make this offense explosive. So many potential home run pass plays come his way and he comes through maybe 10-15% of the time. Put someone like Fleener opposite of VD and defenses are now in a no win situation. They will be giving up long touchdowns to one TE or another and forced to single cover everyone receiver on the outside … which in turns make the entire WR corp more productive.
Bryan?
I don’t see them spending early draft capital on a relatively strong position at TE…could see George Bryan from NC State in like Rd 5 or 6 though. Real big guy, good blocker, soft hands.
by baumannm2209 on Jan 30, 2012 7:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would not call the passing offense a position of strength.
The reason why a two TE offense like this is so effective is because defense would not be able to match up. Bring the big bodies in to play the run than audible to the pass with both TE having the ability of receivers. Defense brings in a nickel look to play pass and its much easier to run the ball. The 49ers could make it even harder on a defense by putting all three TEs on the field.
Sounds good.....but
With Davis, Walker and a returning Byham I think the Niners are solid at TE.
Can Walker move to FB next year?
He’s a great blocker and can catch out of the backfield. Have Davis, Fleener, and Byham as our TE’s and Walker and Bruce Miller as the FB’s.
by AthleticsReign on Jan 30, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Only time we used a 2nd FB was when Miller was hurt
Not sure that moving DWalk to FB would necessarily help. Also, pretty sure someone else will get to Fleener before we do.
He's a better FB than TE
He did a better job holding onto the ball this year after some early sloppiness, but I’ve never been enamored with the guy. Now I have to hold my breath whenever Walker and Williams touch the ball.
I agree with you
I’ve already stated in a prior post that I LOVE COLBY FLEENER. Dude is 6’6 250 and runs a 4.4. That means we can split VD out wide more to take advantage of his speed. Hell, who the heck can match up with Fleener in a straight line race either. These guys will blow up the seam. Having a big fast receiving TE buys us more time to draft/develop a WR.
I also see comments about our “system” not being pass friendly. That’s called using the talent you have. If we had a true threat, Harbaugh would use him. That’s what makes him such a good coach. He has a philsophy, the WCO, but he builds it around the players he has.
by TotallyBodaciousDude on Jan 30, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
wow a prospect TE like that would fit great for the team.
Versatility is what we did in last year’s draft and heck why not make it the theme for this year? This Colby Fleener guy sounds like we could instantly put him into the WR position as the #1 receiver..he fits everything this team is looking for in another WR..a big fast deep threat type of player.
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a 4.4 ?
Fleener runs a 4.57 from what i’ve seen
4.57 isn't slow...
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Big difference between 4.4 and basically 4.6
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by Blank x2 on Jan 31, 2012 7:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I actually heard 4.4 to 4.5 too
He’s like the second fastest guy on Stanford, next to Owusu. So, yes, he is FAST.
I agree , he seems to fit what Harbaugh is trying to build here and has built in the past ...!!
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No 1st round WR
Don’t need ‘em. Don’t want ‘em. We need us a second, third round style. The kind that knows coming in they aren’t getting a thousand yards. I could give two turds about ginn. sign me 3 people who returned kicks in college and make them rotate all damn year.
get some depth in the defensive back field, find a person with the last name smith to line up opposite Aldon. and I"m good.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Yes.
Rotating kick returners really helped us in the post-season.
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That’s the point. Ginn goes down and we are in trouble. I want it to be common place for them. Less likely to make mistakes.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Meachem....
Cost effective and has the size speed ratio the Niners need.
if you are the 3% that voted for the last option
then WOW…
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I was the 3%
I don’t see it as a huge day 1 need in the draft and find that spending money on a FA will be a waste of money.
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In the first round?
I’m not sure what position but I believe Konz and Minifield will benefit the team more. Of course there is the chance that a good WR prospect does fall to us and we should pick him up. But I’m starting to believe more and more that we can use another TE. Especially considering how our offense is ran. Adding another athletic TE to the equation could benefit our team more than any WR can.
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I agree with this
If this team was able to get a dynamic TE in the first round, that would be the best case scenario. Adding a threat in the middle of the field will just make it harder for teams to defend davis, and Smith is clearly better throwing down the middle than he is down the sideline. Plus, it seems like Fleener out of Stanford might be faster and larger than any receiver left on the board at 30.
I still think a free agent would be nice to round out the receiving corps. Brett Swain has no business being on the field, and it would be nice if Ginn was only responsible for returns and the occasional end around.
If injuries didn't happen I would be happy with our WR corp
Morgan, Crabtree, Ginn and Williams are all decent players. Will they be labeled the best WR since Jerry Rice? Probably not and frankly it doesn’t matter all that much because we don’t ask them to be that good.
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I cannot agree.
Crabtree is the best WR we have and he is a 2 at best. We either get tow play making WR’s or prepare for more suffering at the position.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
I would draft Fleener
…then make him a WR; that would IMO be a genius move…kinda like drafting Bruce to be our FB; Vernon and DW would still be @ TE of course; you don’t always ‘have’ to draft a WR just because that’s the position he played @ the college level
Agree with Konz....if
They move him to RG. Goodwin is solid and Konz could move over if needed. The thing about going TE happy is defenses can clog the inside and that leaves the outside as the only options. We must find a guy that can consistently beat press coverage.
but first choice draft was not limited to just the 1st round
of course they dont need to force a #1 pick on a WR, but they should pick one up at some point in the draft. But I also like Fleener or Green as a good TE option opposite of Davis. Both 6’6’’.
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Sign Bowe or Colston, plus Lavelle Hawkins. Focus on secondary and offensive line depth in the draft.
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by bonbrillio on Jan 30, 2012 11:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't think we'll bring in one of these "show me the money" mercenaries
I’ll be disappointed if we do. They always disappoint and wouldn’t fit in with our blue collar work ethic.
Maybe we can get lucky in the draft, but by the end of the first we’re already in the second tier of prospects. That tier should last well into the third, no reason to get impatient.
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the ball needs to be passed deep before someone can catch it
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one thing is for sure; many people around here are going to be pissed after we choose are first pick again
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My $0.02...
Try like all get out to grab Bowe.
But in the draft…
Draft Coby Fleener in the 1st. Then grab Marvin Jones or Marvin McNutt in the later rounds. Instant upgrades to WR all across the board. It would pretty much assure us that Delanie will be going elsewhere after next season but also allows the Niners to use Delanie and Vernon as wide-outs too.
Crabtree would be relegated to the highest paid #2 WR in the league. But there ya go.
The 49ers have a number of needs, though. And I could see Fleener going higher than #30 in the 1st round. If DeCastro is still around or Konz, I could see them drafting O-Line in the 1st round. Or if a legit corner or pass rusher is available, I could see them going that route as well.
The Niners will need to address the issue of Gore successor this draft as well. But that could be handled in the 2nd-4th round most likely.
do you know how much wideouts get paid?
alex smith has the most yards passing from a wide-out with Crabtree. Crabtree is Alex smith’s number #1 wideout! like it or not.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
SAFE HANDS
Go for both, to avoid picking a bust in F.A. and DRAFT is untested Stock. Thats why we should have gone with T.O. in play offs, ’cos his truly tried and tested. The AURO around him sends shockwaves to any defense, our WR Unit was just Shut Down against Giants we were lucky that Alex Smith and Vernon Davis were in the zone.
this is probably my bias showing, but i really hope we draft marvin jones. did he really do that well at the senior bowl week of practices? he was pretty much off the radar before, and now sb nation’s mock draft has him in the first round?? i was hoping he could be a mid-late round sleeper pickup, but if he kills it at the combine too we might have to go higher.
Reggie Wayne
He’s 33 and has stayed productive. Guys of his ilk like Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith, Chris Carter, Isaac Bruce and Marvin Harrison were all able to produce at #1 level until 35 or 36.
It might make more sense to give Reggie Wayne 3/14M than Bowe 5/48M.
Then you take another receiver in the first three rounds and re-sign Morgan. Wayne, Crabtree, Morgan, 2nd round pick is a pretty solid core around Vernon and Delanie.
by hammystyle on Jan 31, 2012 10:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Not particularly tall...
For all of the talk about getting a bigger body, grabbing a 6-0, 198-pound WR doesn’t make too much sense – even with someone of Wayne’s credentials.
Why is it important that he's huge?
I get that it would be a plus, but we just need a receiver who can get open and catch the ball. Reggie Wayne does that as well as anyone.
by hammystyle on Jan 31, 2012 2:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We need to draft secondary and OL
WR is third on the priority list at best. Even when we beat the crap out of Breezy he threw for 490 on us. Smith was sacked more than any other QB in the league. How much better would crabtree be if his QB wasn’t sacked 10% of the time he dropped back to pass?
We have young good WR’s that just need a vet leader or an experianced #1… not a rookie.
The offensive woe’s drastically get reduced if smith is upright and the running game is productive. D first cause that is our thing, then OL. Always and forever.
I voted "both"
but I really meant “either”. They need a real #1 wide out. Not sure why they thought Braylon Edwards was that guy in the first place – he was basically a no. 2 talent.
So I think they should get the “best WR available” – be that in the draft or free agency. Obviously, with a salary cap they should not spend TOO much on a WR, so I guess that’s “available”.
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Voted both
I don’t necessarily think they will both sign a top FA WR and draft a 1st round WR, but I see both as valid options that I expect them to investigate fully.
Ideally I would like to see them bring in one of the top FA WRs so that they get a proven guy and we can still add talent at another position in the 1st round, but it won’t be easy. There are a lot of guys they need to get re-signed in FA, including Morgan who all the coaches love. Tons of agents to contact, tons of negotiations going on at once, and probably a lot of bonus money getting tossed around.
You’d have to figure they will still try to kick the tires on FA WRs though. If they strike out there and only are able to re-sign Morgan, then it definitely becomes something they will have to look hard at in the draft.

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