Gettin' Picky with the Free Agents
by WesHanson on Jan 31, 2012 8:00 AM PST
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PrintI thought our last off season was excellent. Baalke brought in some serious talent from free agency, all at affordable prices. This was an offseason defined by an intense flurry of free agency. There was something else that happened too... Hmm, seems to have slipped my mind.
But in this intense flurry of free agency, there were some cooler heads: let's call them heads of lettuce. This is in contrast to the bitter, over-boiled heads of cabbage that tried to make a "splash" in free agency. The Eagles are cabbage heads. The 49ers are like an awesome salad with how much lettuce they've got goin' on.
The only beef I have the offseason, and at the time this looked brilliant, is that a lot of the signings were for one year only. As I said, at the time, this looked awesome: the season was supposed to be lost anyway, what with a rookie head coach and the lockout. We could just take a flyer on some players and see who stuck. Well, a lot of them have stuck. So after the jump I'm going to post all of our FAs. I'm also going to put a poll: vote for whom, if the prices were appropriate for their respective positions, you would want back next year.
Personally I'm a toss-up between AleX and Carlos. My gut says Carlos Rogers (I think this would be, like, Alex Smith's 443rd contract with the 49ers - old prejudices die hard - plus, you know, he's slightly above league average and I don't want to pay him franchise QB money), but pragmatically a QB is pretty important to have.
Unrestricted Free Agents: Ahmad Brooks, Blake Costanzo, Ted Ginn Jr, Dashon Goldson, Tavares Gooden, Joshua Morgan, Justin Peele, Chilo Rachal, Carlos Rogers, Moran Norris, Alex Smith, Reggie Smith, Adam Snyder, Madieu Williams.
Restricted Free Agents: Larry Grant, C.J. Spillman, Brett Swain.
Exclusive-rights Free Agents: Tramaine Brock, Will Tukuafu.
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Voted Chilo Rachal...
Na, In all seriousness has to be ’Los
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three people actually did vote for Chilo
HAD to have been joke votes
yea I'm seeing that now.....interesting
wonder who the were?? :) cause I voted carlos
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
HAHAHAHHAHA
i actually laughed out loud at work at that one
I voted Goldson...
…mostly because great safeties are more valuable than great CBs. But if you go by the stats, it’s hard to argue with Rogers.
I'm just scared to lock Rogers up long term
Look at Nate Clements. Not saying that all corners go downhill after good years, but Nate did. I voted Goldson for that reason.
Yea but i don't think nate ever had a year like carlos rogers had i can almost say carlos
had more interceptions this year than what nate had in 2 seasons with us,i kept waiting for buffalo bill nate clements 2 come out.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 31, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
One Vote is Hard...Rank Order?
1. Carlos Rogers – A great corner is so hard to find
2. Dashon Goldson – Fear factor
3. Adam Snyder – The line isn’t the same without him
4. Alex Smith – On the verge of elite, can he make it over the hump?
5. Ted Ginn – We now know how much special teams matter
6. Josh Morgan – He was sorely missed down the stretch
7. Ahmad Brooks – An upgrade or equivalent would be hard to find.
8. Blake Costanzo – Again, we now know how important special teams are
9. Travares Gooden – Versatile and mighty on ST.
10. Reggie Smith – A real contributor. Maybe another off season to be great.
11. Madieu Williams – Depth helps
12. Justin Peele – Thanks but see ya. Bynum’s coming back.
13. Chilo Rachal – Better than most NN posters say, but see ya
14. Moran Norris – Valuable roster spot. Keep it open.
"elite"
49ers offensive struggles in 2011
Category Total NFL rank
Net passing yards 183.1 29th
Pct. of red-zone drives resulting in TD 40.7 30th
Third-down conversion pct. 29.4 31st
Three-and-out drives 49 T-23rd
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
i know, right?
talk about someone who still has much to prove…alex is still very much a work in process.
His greatest improvement is the lack of turnovers
Which is an extremely significant improvement. But he still struggles in most other areas.
It does have to be said
AS is no where near elite. We’ve seen “breakout games” numerous times in the past. About once a year. Another key stat I’d add is 1.06 TD/game despite having +26 turnovers and the short field those produce.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Passing 3rd % is mid ranking
Rushing 3rd % is lower ranking. Not an excuse, just an observation that there is more at play than Alex
If not for an idiot and lazy runners.
He would have beat Manning in NFCCG. Getting there takes an elite performance.
One can masturbate with numbers all day long, but those who watch football know that Alex did great this year.
And idiot and lazy runners?
So there was one or two plays this game? His 12/26 performance was an elite performance? A Smith got by on the defense, period, without tops of the league in turnovers, 9ers would have been 9-7 maybe 8-8.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
could'nt agree with u more.
U hit the nail on the head with this one. We have a great team man. We need one more WR n maybe some depth on the D-LINE N another OL wouldn’t hurt. Maybe Larry Grant can learn how to play that position
by BUDDED420 on Jan 31, 2012 5:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good stuff....except
I do think Alex is a given. Game over. Done deal. #11 Williams would not make my list. We could do better.
Rogers...hands down
He’s truly been a revelation in our secondary. He’s the one I want back the most.
After that, toss up…Goldson, Ginn, Morgan, Brooks, Costanzo…all worth bringing back.
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Goldson & Rogers
the Niners will sign Rogers (hopefully he’s not a Clements bust), and franchise Goldson…
I think carlos rogers will be way better with us than nate clement was one reason why" The U"
look how good frank gore has worked out for us.Now i’m not saying this to take a shot at ohio st. players because they have really good players littered around the NFL i’m just saying " The U "has a very good reputation in the NFL and their players have played at a high-level 4 long period of times n i think carlos will work out for in the long-run.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 31, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
LOL!!!
I think K Williams will be a huge factor next year….they need to put him in the game though..he can be exactly like Cruz
haha so true
I’d like to see our WR corps be Bowe (or FA, whatever), Crabs, Morgan, then Williams/Ginn.
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by Giant Voodoo on Jan 31, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Not with Alex
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Goldson
Because Rogers only has a few years of elite play whereas Goldson is still young and hungry. Plus he can deliver a vicious hit and still is a ballhawk.
warning
so whats up with this warning on wishing the opposing players to be injured? does that i should just do my voodoo at home? lol
Ginn our offense is ran on our ST.
Taking out Ginn takes out our offense.
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by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:56 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
sad but true
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Goldson
He really solidified our defense last year and he would be very hard to replace. He’s our best answer to stopping elite QB’s (along with the super pass rush). Rogers is very important, but it’s easier to find a replacement (relatively speaking). Then I’d say it’s some mixture between Smith, Morgan, Ginn, and Brooks. All are very nice parts at this moment, but you could probably find an equivalent piece in FA.
And yes i totally believe Goldson and Rogers are staying. 1 of those dudes is signing and the other is going to be franchised. Unless negotiations go horribly bad with both of them, both will should be bad. If they aren’t I firmly believe that Baalke and Harbaugh have a plan. They have earned a lot of trust in personnel.
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i have this funny feeling that Goldson is going to really fish for a big contract elsewhere
just based on what happened last year…looked everywhere and didn’t get one so came back on a one year deal. i think our only chance of keeping him is to grossly overpay or franchise him.
Same here
I do feel that Goldson will either get a huge contract with someone else or get franchised. My best bet says Rogers is signed to a good deal for both sides and Goldson is franchised.
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by Giant Voodoo on Jan 31, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly i will feel better if ted ginn just played STs we don't go down-field as it is
so why have him in the starting line-up i want a veteran WR playing on our offense unless we draft a WR in the 1st round.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 AM PST reply actions
Alex Smith by a mile.
Rogers a distant second. Goldson third not too far behind Rogers..
The defensive backfield is far more of an interchangeable part in the defense than the QB is in the offense.
Thank you i picked alex to i get people picking dashon n carlos but over alex " child please"
(that was 4-you ocho) to be going into his 2nd season with a same OC a full off-season with otas n training camp how could you not pick alex.I get everybody picking our defensive players because they were clearly the MVP of this season thats why you have to pick " alex smith "so can n our offense can catch-up with the defennse.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
this team would have had a losing record if not for the defense and special teams
how many drives did not have to go anywhere on offense to kick a field goal? How many drives needed a few yards to get into the red zone?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Alex for sure
QB is the most important position on the field and consistancy there is key. We would be starting over with a new QB and in a division that is getting tougher every year I don’t think that is wise.
Carlos played great but he also got burned a bunch. Did you watch the game against NY? Lost in the Kyle Williams drama was the silent little fact that Rodgers got exposed. Great half time adjustments, but Rodgers is NOT a shut down CB. Not even close! I want him back but he is by no way the number one priority.
If the QB is so important
shouldn’t we be getting a new one that has an upside?
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
We have a very good veteran with a lot of upside.
That’s even better.
Who?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
We probably just disgree on what "upside" means
I mean a guy who can throw all the passes, make the right audibles, feel pocket pressure and make the players around him better. I think you might mean plays relatively conservatively and makes few mistakes. Not making turnovers is important but it doesn’t score touchdowns.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 1, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
har har
When was the last time you saw a screen pass that worked? Honest question. How about that goal line play when Smith audible out of a pass into a hand off to Gore where he had no fullback and protection and got stuffed. How about all those times AS held the ball for 4+ seconds and never felt sack coming because he wasn’t going through his progressions?
Nah, Alex Smith is not the complete package. He is a serviceable QB with little to no upside.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 1, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Prove it
what was the last game where a successful screen was pass set up and executed?
by asmithisaverage on Feb 1, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
2 votes for Norris.
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
three for Chilo
those five people should be banned
Really 2 people pick norris track them down n suspend them 4 the rest of the day
n then make those 2 people take a UA because there clearly on something.
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 AM PST reply actions
Rogers...
Simply because I would bet on Goldson being franchised, so there’s no real point in worrying about him returning. Anyone else leaving can be replaced by someone else, be it a cheaper FA, a current “next man up” player or through the draft. Losing Rogers hurts our CB depth pretty badly.
the market factor
alex is not likely to get big offers across the league. he did well this year, under harbaugh, but i doubt that many GM’s out there see their situation as a positive place for Alex.
let’s look at the facts. Alex flourished under a tremendous defensive effort this year. He was tutored by a world-class QB coach, whose lesson plan catered to simplifying the QB’s job. And, despite the short offseason and change in OC, Alex was able to return to nearly the same surrounding cast (excl Goody, Miller, Hunter). These factors led to statistics that showcase minimal yards, decent completion %, and elite TO ratio.
Any GM who presents a big offer is banking on a miraculous repeat of his TO ratio.
Adam Snyder is going to get some very lucrative offers, and i think he and Carlos should be top priority – sign them before the big offers start rolling in.
Who voted for Moran Norris?
Should be a subject to an immediate ban.
Voted for Norris cause some has to be a smart ass
In all seriousness, I would like to Morgan, Rogers, and Goldson
How am I supposed to pick just one? Here is the order of who I want back the most.
1. Carlos Rogers – A great corner is so hard to find
2. Dashon Goldson – Fear factor
3. Adam Snyder – The line isn’t the same without him
4. Alex Smith – On the verge of elite, can he make it over the hump?
5. Ted Ginn – We now know how much special teams matter
6. Josh Morgan – He was sorely missed down the stretch
7. Ahmad Brooks – An upgrade or equivalent would be hard to find.
8. Blake Costanzo – Again, we now know how important special teams are
9. Travares Gooden – Versatile and mighty on ST.
10. Reggie Smith – A real contributor. Maybe another off season to be great.
11. Madieu Williams – Depth helps
12. Justin Peele – Thanks but see ya. Bynum’s coming back.
13. Chilo Rachal – Better than most NN posters say, but see ya
14. Moran Norris – Valuable roster spot. Keep it open.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 31, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
I might have plagiarised him a little
But those were exactly my thoughts so I don’t feel he can just lay claim to them because he posted them first.
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I’m surprised to see so many votes for Dashon. He is a huge hitter, and his coverage has gotten way better, but does nobody here remember his blown coverages?
In this thought experiment, I obviously said that they money would not be a factor, but if he wants elite safety money, does that change people’s minds?
Short memory
No one seems to remember Rodgers being exposed in the champ game either.
Number one priority is Alex, then Rodgers, Dashon you can franchise and work on after you see how free agency goes. I think it is a moot point though as both Rodgers and Smith will probably take a discount to be here
Victor Cruz killed CBs all year
At least Rodgers kept him from scoring.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
This. Plus that is such a small sample size to make a judgment off of. One game doesn’t make a player. Goldson has pretty consistently been prone to blow coverages.
I would be cool with a franchise tag, though, since he did seem to improve over the season. I hope with consistent coaching he can keep it up.
Top 5
Without going through all of them, here are my top 5:
1. Rogers – high-caliber play, also a leader/mentor.
2. Alex Smith – hopefully improves w/more weapons and full offseason. Plus, not sure what better QBs available, and Kaepernick could use another year or two.
3. Goldson – much improved last year, keep secondary together.
4. Snyder — solid, versatile player on line without any depth.
5. Brooks — relatively unsung, but played every snap.
Other guys I’d like to keep, just not as high priority: Ginn, Morgan, Costanzo, Gooden, Reggie Smith, Madieu Williams. I’m sure some of these guys will be back, and obviously special teams matters a lot to this team. But I don’t think the impact of losing these guys is as much as my top 5, of course depending on who else we bring in via draft and free agency.
Seems like there’s enough WR depth in both areas that even if we miss out signing Morgan, we can upgrade. But I don’t think it will come to that. DeSean Jackson is an upgrade at WR and returns on the field, but not sure about the locker room. Got a lot of trust in the coaches + front office to make the right call there.
We've already told Reggie to hit the road
And with good reason.
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I could rec your last 10 comments...
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
You could rec most of his comments
at first I did but then I realized he set his standard to high so I only rec the great ones.
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Rogers and Snyder
top priority. in fact, get these guys a contract before the market dictates a big price tag. many teams in the NFL need a guard that can also swing into the center spot.
once the window opens, they’ll be a top commodity.
Franchise Goldson.
Then the rest. The FO should be able to get a couple of these guys at a discount just because they’re sold out to the team. THIS team.
Harbaugh has proven he can make water into wine
With any roster spot… except kick/punt returner… (damn you Kyle Williams)
Also, the catch in the statement was “at the right money”. Returners are cheap. Therefore, I vote for Ted Ginn
Dashon.
He’s a ball hawk. His coverage is very much improved, his tackling is also. We need to lock him up.
What QB's did he get interceptions off of?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/10569/dashon-goldson
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So other than the one off of Brees, he got Int's from a bunch of QB's I wouldn't take over Alex Smith, yea, let him walk.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
You wouldn't take Ben over Alex?
That’s fine though if you think Dashon sucks. Haters just gonna hate, I guess.
Pretty obvious Ben was hurt that game.
Shouldn’t of been playing. I’d definitely take healthy Alex Smith over hurt Roethlisberger.
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