49ers 2012 Free Agency Review: RB/FB
Today's post is going to cover the positions of running back and full back. The 49ers have a total of 5 running backs on the roster. The team has Frank Gore locked up through 2014. Kendall Hunter is also under contract until 2014 while Anthony Dixon is under contract through 2013.
On the FB side, Moran Norris is a free agent and Bruce Miller is locked up through 2014.
The combo of Frank Gore and Kendall Hunter proved to be a potent one due to the different running styles of each player and Bruce Miller was a fantastic fullback. I really don't see the team resigning Moran Norris, not when Harbaugh has used everybody and their dog as a blocking FB. Anthony Dixon is on the bubble as a player as far as I'm concerned.
Overall I'd have to say that I'm extremely happy with the running backs that the team has and I feel like there's absolutely no need to look for upgrades through the draft, trades, or via free agency.
Stats for each player are below the jump.
Frank Gore
Gore started off really slow, leading me to question if he'd recovered from his hip injury. He then reeled off several 100 yard games in a row, before finishing a little slow (honestly he appeared a bit dinged up to me). However he finished the season with his second highest yardage total as a 49er.
| Season | Team | Rushing | Receiving | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 16 | 15 | 282 | 1,211 | 4.3 | 55 | 8 | 17 | 114 | 6.7 | 13 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
Kendall Hunter
Hunter provided a nice change of pace to the bruising style of Frank Gore. He had a grasp of pass protection, and was able to elude players left and right. I feel great in his abilities. Interestingly he finished up with a slightly lower yard per carry average than Gore--but I think that's because Gore managed to break off some longer runs than Hunter. He was much better as a receiver than Gore was.
| Season | Team | Rushing | Receiving | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 16 | 1 | 112 | 473 | 4.2 | 44 | 2 | 16 | 195 | 12.2 | 44 | 0 | -- | -- |
Anthony Dixon
Quite honestly Dixon has been a bit of a disappointment since he was drafted. Last year he had a stellar pre-season, giving us all sorts of hope, but his performance during the regular season has left much to be desired. I have a tough time seeing him sticking around.
| Season | Team | Rushing | Receiving | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 16 | 0 | 29 | 87 | 3.0 | 9 | 2 | 1 | 6 | 6.0 | 6 | 0 | -- | -- |
Moran Norris
Those of you who have been around the site for long will know of my disdain for Moran Norris. I've long felt that he's a horrible full back, unable to make blocks and lousy on both runs and catches. He's a free agent and there's no way the team asks him back.
I'd post his stats but he didn't register a single stat this season--no passes, no run attempts, nothing. He played in only 5 games this year, starting two of them.
Bruce Miller
Contrast that with Bruce Miller who played in 15 games, starting 8 of them. He didn't carry the ball much, but he was a fairly effective pass catcher when asked to do so.
| Season | Team | Rushing | Receiving | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | San Francisco 49ers | 15 | 8 | 4 | 8 | 2.0 | 3 | 0 | 11 | 83 | 7.5 | 30T | 1 | 1 | 0 |
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Hunter is a fine backup to Gore and Dixon is adequate as a 3rd option who would share the load with Hunter if Gore were to miss any time. Miller is already terrific, and Norris shouldn’t be around much longer once we get Byham back.
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I was one who wanted to trade Frank Gore 2 years ago and last year. Buuuut, the lockout ended that and he ended up as being the 49ers all-time leading rusher with lingering injuries all year. He just isnt the same anymore and we all saw it in the NFC Championship. The honeymoon is over. Kendall Hunter proved he is a nice change of pace back and can run between the tackles. Anthony Dixon has not done anything other than waving the 49ers flag and being a part of the “Tony Montana” special teamer. In a league where a team needs a 3 headed monster this position is in a serious need of an upgrade. I doubt the 49ers will trade Gore now because they could get little value for him but they at least need to address this in FA and in the draft. If the 49ers are going to to return to elite status than a diverse running game is a must. I am confident Harbaugh and his crew will address this.
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What was wrong with Gore in the NFC Championship game?
He looked fine, was getting 5 yards a carry pretty consistently, and then for whatever reason Roman decided to stop calling his number.
Frank was effective in the Championship game
like znk916 said they just stopped running the ball for some odd reason. Only thing i see declining about Gore is his speed. He can still break some long runs but he just doesnt have the long speed to take it to the house
I think it’s been a pretty long time since he had that speed, actually. Like, a couple of years.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 31, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Frank pulled himself out of the game several times...
Late in the game when the game was close and when we were in tight situations (trying to extend the drive).
I would say Gore was banged up and running out of gas at the end of the season.
I think he’ll be fine for another year or two only because we can mix in plenty of Hunter earlier in the season the next couple of years to extend the tread left on the tires, so to speak.
by ColoradoNiner on Jan 31, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Problem with the running game
Was play calling not frank. I agree frank is on the back side and we should be looking for the next “frank in the ruff” but in the champ game we were getting almost 5 yards a rush. They should have stuck with the run and we would have won.
Agree somewhat
Gore doesn’t scare anyone & Dixon big disappointment.
Need another running back who is great pass catcher. This would be great addition & put mucho pressure on D’s that now just stack the line. Sure, receiver big need to, but a 1,000 yard receiving running back is huge.
I don't think Gore is the problem
AS is a terrible dump off passer. The ball just never seems to arrive in a way to help the receiver. And when was the last time you say a screen get called, let alone work? Not in his repertoire.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Need another running back who is great pass catcher.
Fun Fact: In 2011, Kendall Hunter had a higher Y/R than Michael Crabtree.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 31, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Wow… in fact, Josh Morgan was the only regular whose Y/R was higher.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 31, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Hunter could be better than Sproles
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
At what?
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
shelf life
Frank is at or near. Too bad. Wasted on S*** teams.
by TheCatch81 on Jan 31, 2012 4:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah...
Miller was a nice addition and will only get better as he grows comfortable with the position.
both running backs averaged over 4 yards
Per carry and yet people are voting 2 and 3? That ypc is much better than average, much less below average.
both Gore and Hunter
were below average at success rate metrics; (DVOA) barely above replacement level. Gore was BELOW replacement at receiving this year (not all his fault he’s the dump off target on 3rd-and-hopeless), Hunter was quite good in limited chances
4.3/4.3 YPC is like 30th in the league. And both Gore and Hunter are overrated by YPC because they have lots of long runs.
I don’t want to come out and say that Gore is bad — I think he is smashed into the line a bunch for no gain or a loss, but that’s a bunch on the OL and a bunch on the playcalling… But that’s doesn’t make him good either.
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4.3y/c
Puts Frank Gore at 28th out of all RBs in the league.
For Rbs who actually have a fulltime job(200 carries or more), 4.3 gets him to #11.
The big drop off for Frank was his passcatching IMO. The niners need to do a better job in getting him going in that aspect, and Frank needs to not drop so many as well.
He was still productive for a full time RB
YPC tends to favor RBs in pass oriented offenses who only get 10-15 carries when the coaches think they have the defense fooled or completely unbalanced to stop the run.
Averages don't impress me.
If Niner backs were that great the 3rd down & red zone stats would be better. Can’t run it in from the 3 yard line anymore.
Well part of the short yardage problem was scheme
Hold on, let me put together the list of teams who are able to put 7-8 offensive linemen with a mix of TEs on the field and run against a defense where they can now put all their defensive linemen on the field ….
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maybe Houston.
These jumbo packages don’t work for anyone in the NFL these days. All these offensive coordinators manage to do is put 5000lbs of man wall between them and the 1-2 yards they need. The teams I saw run well in short yardage spread defenses out, eliminated the big bodies on the defensive line and least made the linebackers pause to honor the thought of a pass. 49ers coaching staff didn’t figure this out all year.
well said
I thought the whole idea of running the ball is having holes to run through…hard to find any holes with a couple tons of bodies on either side of the ball compacted into a small box even if our OL did get a push. That’s why going over the top is oftentimes the way to go in short yardage, except that’s not what Frank does.
Marshawn Lynch is from the Bay Area!!!!!
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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what the Niners need is
a) Gore insurance. I like Hunter but I don’t think he’s an every down back. Gore is not going to get less injured as he gets older.
b) POWER back. I.e,. what “Anthony Dixon should be”. The 49ers power running game has been bad for years – and were 29th in the league at power success (51% on 3rd/4th downs, 2 or less to go), and bad (22nd) at getting stuffed behiind the line of scrimmage. Some of that (most?) has to go on the OL, but frankly, the OL has been up and down throughout the Gore years and they have NEVER been good at power running. Gore is a “crack squeezer” and money at the 2nd level, but he cannot push a pile – even when Harbaugh and co use half the DL to block.
I would actually rate this a “2” (power rushing) in terms of team need… but it’s certainly not all on the RB.
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I agree we need a power running back
NOT a fullback, but a true RB who can plow through the first defender or move the LOS…
by ColoradoNiner on Jan 31, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Gore, Hunter, and Miller put us in a very, very good position behind the quarterback for this next season. They allow the position not to be a priority. Depth, however, may still be a need. Anthony Dixon is as useless a runner as Moran Norris is a blocker, and if the team is sure that it does not want to use either Gore or Hunter in those short-yardage “big back” runs, then we do need an alternative—one that may well be a better alternative simply by default.
But you have to like those starting 3. Gore, Hunter, and Miller. That’s a solid rotation any way you cut it.
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Dixon has improved
I haven’t seen a lot of dancing. That being said, I think he’s going to have a major fight come preseason.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
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Dixon doesn’t really do much of anything in the rotation, but I that’s not to say the issue can’t be addressed in the draft where RB’s are usually plentiful anyway…
I said 4 too, same reasons
Dixon will either develop or be replaced in the later rounds of the draft. Would add that Gore should be replaced in 2013, not this year.
I definitely think we need to add a running back soon
At Stanford Harbaugh and co. Had three really good backs and I’d like to see us draft one in the mid to late rounds (Marc Tyler USC, Daniel Herron Ohio State, Doug Martin Boise State maybe)
by 49erEmpire on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
We add a RB every year
I doubt this year will be any different until we get a clear cut Gore replacement. (e.g., Hunter is good, but more of a RBBC candidate).
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
I dont see why ppl consider kendall hunter not an every down back
He’s about the same size as Chris Johnson and Jamaal Charles jus shorter, and they are everydown backs. To me he runs through the tackles well because he is able to squeeze through little spaces. He’s not gonna run anyone over but i think he can def be more effective if he got more carries since he has a better burst than Gore. I still think Frank should start but i wanna see Kendall get more carries
I agree
to think that people are writing off kendall Hunter already is a big mistake. This was his rookie year and he needed to learn the pro game and it’s not like he was going to get a lot of carries this first year. He’ll develop and get better…nowhere near his eventual ceiling.
If he is, great
but he hasn’t shown he is a complete back yet. Happy to give him 10-15 touches a game if he is outproducing Gore though.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
We did see him get to run inside
He gets held up by arm tackles, could not drive the pile, usually crumpled to the ground on contact with those big bodies. He could not do it.
He's never going to be a guy
That can run between the guards unless we are blowing big holes in the line.
He will thrive on the counter game though.
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He absolutely could be that guy
Plenty of running backs in the 5’7 200 lb range who have thrived.
If we pick up an RB
I think it should be early, someone like Chris Polk, and heir apparant to Frank Gore, Polk has great pass blocking skills which would really make him an asset.
Yes, Polk
Why wait until Frank breaks down—again? Polk may not last until 30, but if he does, that would be a great pick IMO. Polk is nearly ready to go in the NFL. The coaches constantly say this is a running team. With Alex, play action, and less than ready for prime time receivers, and a good run blocking OL, upgrading the RB makes great sense. Give Gore early breaks, working Hunter in as needed, and have a horse to share duties like Polk. And let Frank do his mentoring before he breaks down and ambles back to Miami. Fresh legs with different skill sets means scheming for the Niners that much more difficult.
Polk is Lendale White
Soft and slow.
by hammystyle on Jan 31, 2012 3:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lendale White
failed because of drugs and character, not his natural ability.
Whatever you think the root cause was
Lendable was fat and slow, and a bad RB. Chris Polk is a soft 222 and not very fast. He wont be able to run through or around NFL tacklers.
Not saying he is undraftable, but more like a 6th round pick.
by hammystyle on Feb 1, 2012 9:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Next year
We just need to use Hunter more to give Gore more rest. We need to get a true 3 headed monster back there too. Bring another guy in and let him and Dixon fight it out.
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I saw we bring in Brian Leonard
Trade Frank. And draft a great running back in the 2nd round. Try to get the next 2nd round stud.. Ray Rice/ LeSean McCoy were both 2nd round picks. The 3 headed monster of the draft choice, Hunter, and Leonard gives you 3 different type of backs that would work in any type of down and distance situation. I love Frank but he cant stay healthy, and he still had a great year I think he has value in him that a team would jump at
Frank has no trade value
Wouldn’t mind Gore-Hunter-Polk.
If it was that easy
It doesn’t make much sense to trade Frank and rely on Hunter, Brian Leonard (?!), and “a great running back in the 2nd round.” You never know what you’re going to get in the draft, so I don’t think it’s a very good idea to put all of our eggs in that basket. I don’t think there is any need to address it this year. Phase Hunter in a little more and see where that gets us.
why do you NOT trade in an auto
with >100K? If it runs it’s worth more to you than any trade value. Same with Frank. Don’t know how much longer, or how well, but he RUNS.
by TheCatch81 on Jan 31, 2012 4:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think Free Agency...
is probably a bad idea unless the 49ers can acquire THAT guy who is young enough and good enough to be the undisputed heir to Gore.
Barring that, I think the team once again needs to look to the draft to pick up a player that will fill those shoes. Frank has, maybe, one or two good seasons left in him, sad to say. The longer the team waits the more Frank’s performance will degenerate. I think picking up the “heir to Gore” this off-season would be an outstanding stroke of luck.
But I think there are bigger holes to fill on the team. So I gave it a 4.
I put a 4..
but only because I think we need a better 3rd and short option than dixon. I want a tank that can guarantee a 1-2 yard gain on third down. But if we dont get that kind of player, I still think we’re ok.
bang bang lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 1, 2012 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
idk why but LaMichael James in a niner uniform really intrigues me
A Chris Johnson prototype in the backfield along with Gore and Hunter is a winning combo. Gore’s best years are behind him but he is still a good RB. Hunters only going to improve and get more carries. James would take Hunters role from this past season and could also return. Would have to say goodbye to Dixon but his presence in the locker room would hurt more than his field presence. There’s plenty of leaders on this team though so its not like its a killer blow.
by Ador08 on Jan 31, 2012 2:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
hed be great in the offense we run...
stick him out in the slot, motion out of the backfield and some reverses and draws. He’s an elusive type back and I can see him breaking some ankles and running home a 60 yarder. Wouldnt mind taking him if hes there in the 3rd round or later….
3rd round? 2nd maybe even first, that would be the only player on the roster capable of six at any time.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
Is the 2012 draft crop R.B. position deep?
who are the top 10 rated R.B.’s do you you think the 9ers should spend a draft pick on one of them?
I think the Niners should be picking Best Available for most of the draft
for all positions except tackle, inside linebacker, fullback and quarterback. If a franchise RB is available in the first or second round they need to pull the trigger. Gore and Hunter are a good combo, but the running game needs to be more fearsome with AS at the helm.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
How about a TE in the first round?
Maybe a bit more realistic. No one loves drafting RBs in the first round, but that also may mean a very good one is available later than he should.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
Needs on the o-line and at WR are more pressing
You can get good value with late-first tight ends (See Gronkowski, Rob), but we’ve already got two pretty good ones. As such, we should probably pull the trigger on the best line talent available (Peter Konz of Wisconsin is our center of the future, if he’s still available), or consider a WR, depending on who’s still on the board.
I agree with you that we should pick up another TE in the mid-rounds (where you can get dudes like Aaron Hernandez), and use that versatility to have on guy on the line, Delanie in the backfield, and occasionally split Vernon out wide. We just can’t use a top pick on what is arguably our deepest position.
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by lottwasgangsta on Feb 1, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
We run a two TE set
sometimes even three. That can’t happen if one of the TEs go down. Considering AS throws much better to big TEs and Delanie Walker can play WR, I don’t see the downside if all three can legitimately be on the field.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 1, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
IF you read what I said
You’ll notice I did not say don’t draft one. Quite the opposite. I merely said that it wasn’t a first round pick for us, given more urgent needs.
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by lottwasgangsta on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
And if you read my comment
you’d see a TE could have a bigger impact than WR in first round (or whatever you think is more important).
by asmithisaverage on Feb 1, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
could happen
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 1, 2012 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
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We can go into this year as we are and have a very productive year running the ball. But I would like to see them draft a RB in 3rd. Someone who could be paired down the road with hunter as the one two punch when gore is done. And who knows you may strike gold.
RD 1 CB
RD 2 OL
RD 3 RB
Gore is clearly not the back he was and need more help than he did before. Our line is not that good despite the effort they have put into it, and our secondary is weak. Bolster the line and maybe Gore stays healthy and breaks 1000… more likely Gore gets hurt like he does every year and we have Hunter and RD 3 pick to carry the load. Whatever Dixon does is bonus. I like the dude.
We gotta get used to the idea that assuming we can sign our key FAs
we are going best available. We just don’t have the gaps like we did last year and late first round picks are not as distinguishable as top 15 picks.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
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I’ll go middle of the road, only because I think adding a big back to help our red zone woes is a pretty necessary addition. For the most part, though, RB/FB is pretty darned set.
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How would you rank draft R.B. rookies ?
Chris Poke
Trent Richardson
Lamar Miller
And do you have names of any “sleeper” R.B’s that may fit the 9ers in lower rounds 4-7?
Robert Turbin from Utah St,.
He’s got a 4th round grade and isn’t in the combine so he might sneak under the radar. He’s got great size, speed and agility and I think would be a great value.
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I think you have to consider Doug Martin in that group
He’s not the pure runner that Richardson is, and doesn’t have the breakaway speed of Miller, but he does everything at a high level — run, catch, block.
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I am a big Doug Martin fan
I think he’s an underrated prospect. He could be a Roger Craig type talent. 5’9 220 lbs, fast and versatile?
by hammystyle on Jan 31, 2012 3:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Martin
I haven’t heard good things about his blocking. If 49ers pick up a high round RB, I think blocking will be an important quality they’ll look for.
There is no perfect blocker with college running backs
Martin does have technique issues that need to be fixed, but the two most important blocking factors are there. He can recognize the blitz and get over to pick it up, and he’s willing to stick his face in there to do it.
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Adding
Compared to the vast majority who don’t want to, can’t recognize the blitz, and still don’t have the technique.
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Richardson is clearly the top RB with Miller and David Wilson #3. Personally, I’d love to pick up Wilson in the draft, though I doubt he’ll be available when we pick in the 2nd round as he’ll probably be a early 2nd round pick.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 31, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
You can't talk about RB
Without mentioning the line.
We wanted to start Rachal this year. We wanted to dominate the line of scrimmage and blow people off the ball from guard to guard. Last year Chilo was an absolute mauler in the run game. But he was just such a liability in pass protection that we couldn’t do it.
Enter Snyder. He allowed us to pass the ball but he’s not blowing anyone off the line of scrimmage. I’d love to keep him as a swing guy but we have to get an upgrade who can do both if we want to be a power running team.
Or who knows? Maybe we are all assuming too soon on Chilo’s being cut quickly and with an off-season under Drevno they can make him worthwhile in pass pro?
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Agreed
firm believer that for the first few yards its all about the blocking. Get a good run blocking O-Line and you can get anyone to run the ball for a decent gain.
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I see the 9ers drafting at least 1 O-linemen every year of the draft....
simply to continue to keep the O-Line competitive, young & stocked every season.
Harbaugh recognizes you have to have dominient players in the trenches…where the war really is won or lost.
19% of your team is the O-Line
so in a way it makes sense to either use a late round pick every year or an early round pick every other year.
Yup
And there is a LOT of interior line talent this year. If we get our future center, I want it to be Konz from Wisconsin. Athletic, smart, talented, and nasty.
Couple other quality guards too to take Snyder’s place, or, we grab a tackle, and kick Anthony Davis inside to be an all-pro guard if he doesn’t make a BIG leap outside this year.
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by lottwasgangsta on Feb 1, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
If Frank goes down...we only have Hunter. So YES, we need to get another RB
Dixon just does not have it. Maybe if he gets into the BEST shape of his career, and hits the hole with FORCE. It could be different.
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Now its time for me to use the line “it’s better to get rid of player a year too early than too late”. I’d spend a 2nd or 3rd Rnd pick on RB who is capable of getting 20-25 carries between the tackles. I’d platoon Gore cause he is still effective but cannot count on Frank to be the bell cow any more. Get a new potential bell cow candidate to split the load.
I like Hunter but if Gore is out he cannot carry the ball 20 times and run inside. He is nice Sproles type RB where he is capable of doing some serious damages on the edges and drop off passes but he is a role player.
Dixon lost his way this season. Reading between the reports Harbaugh and staff don’t think much of him. He is a Singletary guy, lots of character, lots of raw talent but not a quite grinder Harbaugh prefers. Dixon will be given one more chance in camp but if he doesn’t have fantastic camp and preseason I don’t see Harbaugh and ever using him and he’ll probably be cut.
I don’t think the running game has a chance next season without adding a new workhorse to the corps. It would be a miracle for Gore to hold up and there is no fall back option right now if he doesn’t.
Need 4 speed
Gore hasn’t had his speed for the last two years. He’s still a great back and can find the hole like no other in the league but he is going down at first contact (albeit still gaining an extra 3 yards) and not breaking tackles anymore. When he does break into the open field he gets caught from behind now. We need a speed guy. I don’t know how much speed Hunter has because he hasn’t had the opportunity to break one. He looks quick but I don’t know if he can outrun the defense. And if Gore goes down Dixon isn’t an inspiring option either. Need another back.
I say 3.
Call me cautiously optimistic....because I know what the Niners do to people who have real optimism (see the last 8 years).
Should Gore go down...raise you hard if you confortable with Hunter & Dixon
to carry the RB load and make defenses respect the run.
There you go…..THATS WHY We need another R.B. we simply can NO longer relay on Gore to be our Big Time Cow Bell because of his age, wear & tear on his body.
Should Gore go down...raise you hard if you confortable with Hunter & Dixon
to carry the RB load and make defenses respect the run.
There you go…..THATS WHY We need another R.B. we simply can NO longer relay on Gore to be our Big Time Cow Bell because of his age, wear & tear on his body.
Hunter, yes; Dixon...
needs to be replaced, which in all likelihood will happen in this year’s draft…we all know Frank is on the back end of his career, but we can still muster a few more years out of him
Can Dixon play FB?
seems like he’d be a good candidate to be the backup to Miller. Then we can acquire another RB to challenge Hunter to give Gore some breaks.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 31, 2012 3:59 PM PST reply actions
David Martin Virginia Tech. I say niners take him with their first pick, probably won’t be there in the 2nd rd. Assuming the Niners keep all of their own key free agents.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 31, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions
oops that’s suppose to be Davd Wilson Virginia Tech
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 31, 2012 4:04 PM PST reply actions
Make that David Wilson Virginia Tech.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 31, 2012 4:04 PM PST reply actions
Can we be real...the 9ers 53 man roster is not rock soild
the 9ers still have holes to fill either at some starter postions and certainly at back up positions where they can use more talent than they currently have.
Most concerning thought the 9ers are one starter injury away from being in serious trouble due to not having quality talent behind the D-Line starters, the secondary, Pass Rusher, R.B., O-Line.
This is WHY in my opinion the 9ers should try to gain additional draft picks by…
1) Trading CB Spencer, even if only for a 5th or 6th rounder.
2) trading their 1st round 30 spot to some team looking to get back into the bottom of the first round in order to gain an additional 2nd & 4th round picks.
We need more draft picks….this team need more talent.
Lastly, i don’t have to say this, but the other teams will of course get better, and what are the chances of our team again having all those postive turnovers.
Let's see
53 man not solid? Nowhere close. But I think we have some talent coming up on the D-Line. Ron Jeremy knows what he’s doing.
Problem is that players that the whole league knows are going to be cut, especially ones who sat behind 4 other players while healthy in the playoffs and are going to hit the magical 30 before the FA period starts — have zero trade value. You can’t get a ham sandwich for Spencer.
I don’t see this draft being that deep in talent that an extra 4th rounder helps us that much. Especially at our positions of injury panic — safety, pass rusher, running back, guard.
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Spencer is being cut
no one wants to eat that contract.
I do agree with a lot of your logic. It really just depends on what the talent level is when our first round pick comes around. Maybe someone wants to trade back in for a QB. I think almost no position is off-limits from a best available pick.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
DL is fine
Ricky JF is a better backup than most teams have. Dobbs in particular is another nice prospect.
But I agree with the trade down philosophy. Not so much because our roster is shallow, but because I think the depth of the draft is in the 2/3 range, and our team chemistry right now is ideal for young players to be a part of. The coaching staff is great at developing and the best players on the team are the hardest workers. The more talent we can add, the more Navorro Bowman, Aldon Smith success stories we will see.
by hammystyle on Jan 31, 2012 5:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
1. Everyone knows we’re going to cut Spencer – he has no trade value
2. Like the idea of trading down – I’m envious of the patriots, they banked a year and have had an extra pick that they’ve been trading every year since.
They also have a HoF QB who wills the team to win games
even when the defense is atrocious. Not sure we have that luxury.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
With Frank Gore's injury history, I'll never feel absolutely satisfied
A team should never not draft a great player just because that particular position is “locked up”. In my own 2011 mock draft, I had the Niners taking DeMarco Murray in the 2nd round. However, a fractured right ankle isn’t the most promising start to his rookie year, despite the big games he had. I don’t understand Gore; I’ve heard NFL analysts say that he is one of the better-conditioned players in the league, but he seems to run out of gas as soon as he’s dinged up. I like Hunter a lot, but I think he’ll need to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle to take the beating that running backs take, even though that would in theory reduce his speed. Maurice Jones-Drew is listed at 5’7", 208lbs. and Ray Rice is listed at 5’8" 212lbs. Hunter is listed at 5’9" 199lbs and runs a 4.53 40-yard dash.
Dixon is at his best on the kickoff team, honestly. He’s too slow and dances too much to ever be a featured back. I thought he played well on special teams. I’ve heard some people talk about brining in Peyton Hillis, but it looks like the Browns may have had a change of heart and want to re-sign him. Not to mention the guy seems like an asshole and I don’t want guys like that.
If there is a solid running back available in the draft and the 49ers have filled other needs, I say “why not?”. Gore is 28 and if he does suffers another significant injury his 1,000 yard days are probably over. All it takes is one shattered ankle, shredded knee or fractured hip. I like Gore, but I was one of the few people who believed the team should have traded him instead of signing him to an extension. It’s tough, because I want teams to stay loyal to players who have sacrificed a lot for their teams, but I also want them to always be looking toward the future.
Hopefully Hunter develops and he can handle 5-7 more touches a game to give Gore more of a break.
by Liquid Pantyhose on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM PST reply actions
Niners need another back. Should use Hunter the same way Saints use Sproles. Then they don’t need Ginn back and can let K.williams go as well.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 31, 2012 4:28 PM PST reply actions
Banned
Also your opinion is invalid on all accounts
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by TryAndCatchVD on Feb 1, 2012 5:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
LaMicahael James may go in 2nd round to Tampa Bay but...
If he was still available to San Francisco in the 2nd, I’d take him. Hell, he can return kicks for us if Ginn isn’t re-signed. He returned 13 kicks last year, not a lot. If he somehow slipped to the 3rd round I’d say there is no way we could pass on him.
by Liquid Pantyhose on Jan 31, 2012 4:34 PM PST reply actions
why would tampa take james?
they already have an orgeon RB
I rated it a 2. I think we draft a RB in the 3rd or 4th round.
A RB that will be Gore’s replacement and can work well with Hunter. Moran is a goner, and I see them keeping 1 FB but carrying 4 TEs. Dixon will battle for a roster spot.
Great if that RB can be replacement
I hope he at least can spell Gore running inside and provide a backup if needed. Still there is probably no replacing Gore. He holds the franchise records in yards because he was a great back. I hope the 49ers can find another one. At least find a RB that can do some of the things Gore brought to the table.
I'm obviously not an expert but...
What are your guys’s thoughts on moving Dixon to Fullback and bringing on that guy from the madden 12 cover at a bargain price?
by Leoniner on Jan 31, 2012 5:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I am trying to get over my Kyle Williams twitter death threats but ...
If Peyton Hillis shows up at the 49ers head quarters I’ll shoot him with elephant gun.
Hillis, a Niner?
DUDE!!!!!!!!
He played FB in college. People would have no idea who was getting the rock. talk about playing havoc with the defense. Line them both up back there. Hillis and Gore. It would be friggin great
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
.......he was drafted as a Full Back.
remember? besides, no one in cleveland had an impressive season. We could get a versatile guy at a decently low price. Hell, he returned a few kicks in college. I’m not saying to start the guy in front of Gore, I’m saying having him really opens up the offense.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Thanks for your replies guys.
I’m liking the idea of bringing Hillis alot more now after learning he was a fullback. (as long as he’s available to us at a bargain.) I definitely see that he’s talented even though he had a down year. Nowhere to go but up now.
Then we'd have at Fullback
A guy who we are trying to develop from DE and shows promise.
A guy who is supposed to be our power back that can’t move the pile and who’s best play comes on kickoffs.
And a mercenary who is always going to be searching for a big payday.
Most teams only carry one fullback. The teams ahead of the curve on the way the NFL is headed carry none, we still haven’t quite figured that out so we are carrying two, and you’d like us to carry three?
No thank you.
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I'm sorry but I don't quite understand this,
How is it that our Niners are behind the curb? We are one of the top 4 teams in the entire NFL (arguably top 2 if it wasn’t for Williams fumbles.)
I look at it this way. We would have two fullbacks and two RB’s. If Gore gets hurt, then use Hillis as his replacement. This way we still have a bruising back, a change of pace back, and a FB that is good at blocking/running/catching the ball. In other words, for depth.
We are one of the top 4 teams in the entire NFL
TEAM. (And it’s “behind the curve” not curb)
Defense is dominant.
Special Teams is dominant.
Offense flat out sucks. We can’t convert a third down to save our lives and are one of the worst power running teams in football despite wanting that to be our identity. We do not know what we are doing.
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I'm not satisfied with Dixon
I voted 2.
Gore is a monster, and Hunter is awesome. Norris needs to go away, Dixon I can take or leave. I want one more serviceable vet back there. I feel like we are one injury away from disaster. Here is where a guy like Tashard Choice comes in handy. Dallas was stupid to cut him. Felix can’t carry the load, he never could. He is designed to run by committee. I’d LOVE to see that, by the way. mmmmmmmday dream time
Gore, Felix, Hunter, Choice, and Miller makin the holes for them. ahhhhhhhh.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
On the year he averaged 2.7 ypc
I have a feeling he showed up out of shape or something and that’s why they cut him.
Can't wait for year Two under Harbaugh and company ...
… what surprises awaits is the up coming draft …
… what F/A come back …
… how Patient will Baalke be in Free Agency this year …
… Best of all Year Two will a Full play book & camp in all Three Phases of the game …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!
I agree!
Is it wrong to be excited already?
by Gerald Tarrant on Jan 31, 2012 10:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Room for another back similar to Gore
Dixon/Walker/Byham can backup Miller at FB, so there’s room for someone to push Dixon for that 3rd spot and Gore insurance.
Imagine you could have a do-over with Fred Lewis, without the bad routes and melancholy. I grant you Chris Lofton.
My feelings about the running back positions ...
Fullback:
Miller was an absolutely GREAT addition.
Byham will be back as an H-back/TE.
Thanks Moran, but you’re no longer needed.
Running Back:
Dixon is OK as a banger but will never be “the guy” for reasons we all know.
Hunter was also a GREAT addition and has a long career ahead as our COPRB; however, given his size and stature, I think that it’s asking too much for him to endure the physical hammering that a every-down back must take … use him where he’s at his best … as a COPRB.
Frank still has gas in his tank but is clearly past the halfway point of his career; we need to start thinking about his replacement … but not quite yet. The 2013 draft class of RBs will be both stronger and deeper than this class … a feature RB should be high on our list in the 2013 draft.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 31, 2012 7:40 PM PST reply actions
Yes Byham will be back
which allows us much more flexibility in splitting Vernon wide. If we can get a decent deep threat to put on the other side our offense will be much improved.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Our RB core is fine..
The true question is our qb position. Our run game would be top 3 every year if we had a qb that actually scared defensive coordinators. When I watched Alex Smith every game this year I did notice a difference. He gained confidence in his throws, but there is a difference between being a highly confident thrower and being a highly confident and talented thrower like A. Rodgers or K. Warner. If P. Manning is good to go this next year and filling healthy than I say we go for him. Talk about questioning a RB core… there will be no more questions. Our RBs would flourish with Manning at the helm. I admire Alex and all that he has done to get to where he is but not being able to convert 13 3rd downs in the NFC championship is not cutting it for my liking. I don’t want this team to become the team that makes it deep into the playoffs but since Alex is a hot or cold qb and not a legitimate threat week in and week out qb so we can’t make it to the SB. It’s the qb that we need not a new rb.
My two cents...
Everyone seems convinced that Hunter can’t be an every-down back. But I’m not so site about that. He’s played really well during the times that Gore has been on the bench due to injury. From what I’ve seen, the kid has a ticker that won’t quit.
That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t go after a more prototypical running back in the draft or through free agency. I’m just saying that I think Hunter has more potential than we are giving him credit for.
by EyeBlack22 on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I am with you
I think Hunter can be a lead back, but I think the nature of the game now is you really want two or three good RB’s. Hunter could be the lead guy in that rotation, but I think Dixon is a complete waste of space. Gore is at a very dangerous age for RB’s. So Hunter is good, Gore is good, but let’s go find another good guy to pair with Hunter once Gore is gone.
Hunter can most certainly be an every down back
In an offense that uses alot of zone blocking concepts and spreads the field by removing the fullback and putting in another wide receiver. He’d knock it out of the park.
In our offense where we seem to want to put 7 guys on the line of scrimmage with a fullback in the backfield in front of him and invite the other teams goal line package on to the field and then run it between the guards?
No, he can’t do it.
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5
Hard to think a run game at the NFL level will be successful when you use a goaline running formation on first and 10. It wasn’t used every drive but it sure as hell was used too much for my taste in the NFC championship game. Alex hurts the running backs because no one is scared of him, as long as VD is doubled. The whole league knows that he is not gonna throw the ball unless people are running wide open. Hence the dominos falling to 8 and 9 in the box, yet and still we line up with one WR in the formation. Playcalling was Alex’s biggest Achilles heel, and it just snow balled to the rest of the offense. A running game without any fear of being beat deep is not going to be successful, I don’t care who your back is either. Put the best RB in the league on this roster and you will get the same results.
1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech
I can't believe we let that dude go...
Who was bad ass in preseason… I think his name was Xavier Oman or something… ( Too lazy to look up)…. Either way he had a good size build, speed, power, sweet vision, and he didn’t dance like Dixon…. The boy straight up hit the hole hard… Yeah I know it’s PRESEASON!!! but still how else are you going to evaluate before the season starts…COME BACK XAVIER… or whatever ur name is… Lol
by pigskin slapper on Feb 1, 2012 1:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Our Running Back Stable Needs More Competition
Frank Gore – Our feature running back is well past prime and susceptible to injury. Moreover, he has a long history of injuries and at this point in his career nicks and dings drive him to the sidelines. Gore remains shifty but never had breakaway speed. In addition, his pass blocking is below average. He has terrible tendencies to miss picking up pass-blocking assignments. We need to get another back and begin transitioning the running game.
Kendall Hunter – Fast, shifty with blinding acceleration and a nice (but not elite) top end gear. He’s a patient runner with good hands. Shows willingness to pass block but size is an issue here and this negates his ability to perform all functions as a fulltime back in a 16 plus game season. I see him as a high functioning role player in 3rd down and a good change-of-pace back.
Anthony Dixon – Marginal player who has lost the confidence of the coaching staff. That’s a shame because Dixon has some rare talents for a man his size. Maturity is a huge issue here. Unless Dixon smells the coffee, wakes-up and recommits himself in the offseason, I think he’s gone.
I know I’m gonna catch hell here but…
Bruce Miller – Good pass catching hands and a willingness to stick his nose into the action provides a definite upgrade to Moran Norris. In fact his ability to outplay Norris combined with the underdog defensive player turned fullback motif has the fan base giddy. In truth, he is far from the likes of Craig or Rathman at the fullback position. His pass blocking in full protection schemes is worse than Gore’s (this is why you see Gore trying to pass-block) which is why he is relegated to either running routes or sitting on the sidelines during pass plays. In addition he has demonstrated he has zero ability to run with the football and has a tendency to fumble. In all, Miller’s first season was good enough to maintain roster consideration but for the first time in a decade the Niners really need to open up the fullback position to competition. That means drafting or bringing in a free agent fullback to compete at fullback ( like they do with every position) and let the chips fall where they do.
Oops
I got the scale reversed.
I voted 1, but meant to vote 5.
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Draft an RB in the 4th or 5th
Let Dixon compete. As already mentioned we’ll have Byham back. This means we have both Byham and Walker as HB/FB options on any play. Norris’ spot then can either allow us to add another versatile TE or another beast in the backfield.
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