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What Does The 2012 Offseason Mean For Michael Crabtree?

This offseason is fairly significant in terms of free agents given that the 49ers have some fairly significant players looking for a payday. That will carry us through free agency in March and then of course the draft in April. However, once we move into OTAs and training camp, another issue arises. Well, not so much an issue yet, but something that will be on the top of our minds: Michael Crabtree.

While Crabtree did have his struggles in the postseason, he took a solid step forward during the regular season. After Joshua Morgan went down and Braylon Edwards was proving injured and ineffective, Crabtree finished the season as the team's leading receiver. Vernon Davis finished with more touchdowns but Crabtree led the team in receptions, yards and yards per reception. He and Alex seemed to develop a bit of a rapport as the season wore on. Add in his near dominant run blocking, and it was a good season for him. The playoffs were a struggle across the board, but he did sufficiently more good than bad that I think we can take something extremely positive from this season.

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Of course, in spite of all that, as we head into the offseason, the most prominent question will be, will Michael Crabtree be a full participant in 2012 training camp? In each of his first three seasons, Crabtree has missed all or a significant chunk of each training camp. His rookie year had the holdout, while his second and third seasons have involved injuries. Given the fight with Vernon Davis his second year, I'm not sure what to make of that. However, the foot issues this past year have been a sufficiently on-going issue that it is not surprising they flared up.

But now that he is coming off his best season as a pro, will Crabtree be able to stay healthy and get through a full training camp? While some receivers can just come in and do their thing with a quarterback, I would argue this season proved it is not quite so simple with Alex Smith and Michael Crabtree. They were looking much sharper in the latter half of the season. Crabtree was getting completely healthy by that point, but he was also getting in all the first team reps with Alex Smith in practice.

While it may only be "practice" I really do think getting in a full training camp would help the offense get off the ground a little sooner than we've seen in season's past. Assuming Alex Smith returns, a full offseason with the Jim Harbaugh offense could mean good things moving forward. I think Michael Crabtree has enough talent to be a solid difference-maker in this offense. Now it's just a matter of taking that next step.

And just to head it off at the pass, no, the team is not going to trade Michael Crabtree this year. Maybe it happens at some point in the future, but it is not happening in 2012. And for those who continue to make the "He wants to be a Cowboy" argument, please don't. Patrick Willis grew up a Cowboys fan and most of the league grew up fans of teams other than where they play. So let's move past that until there is actually reason for that to be a legitimate discussion.

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If he doesn't show up to the offseason workouts, it'll show that he hasn't bought into the team first mentality.

In which case, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him gone after next year. Harbaugh has a good, team, mentality in the locker room. Guys who try to undermine it have no place there.

Especially not when they’re a glorified and overrated #2 WR. If you’re gonna pull “me first” diva antics, you better be the best player on the field when you step on it.

by runningblack on Jan 31, 2012 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

when he broke his foot

and hurt his neck. Because you know neck injuries aren’t serious at all cough Peyton Manning*cough* and if it is a minor strain it is totally worth risking injuring it more for the preseason.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

but even then he "showed up" to practice

he is always at practice and just like everyone else when they are injured they do not “practice” but are there at practice and are there in the meetings.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I assume he meant not practicing like running routes

these topics frustrate me.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

especially when they are not based on facts; just fictional rhetoric from writers like Ray Ratto.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Or when people look at total yards and say look Crabtree is not putting up 1000 yards receiving what a bust.

Yet to fail to look at that the team only threw for about 3100 yards.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

he had a 60% catch rate

higher than the FA the people here so badly want.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

catch %

is not based on official stats, I’m skeptical about how that’s put together. And Crabtree should be compared to other #1 receivers, not a FA fans want for whatever reasone. I’m not a Bowe fan by the way.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

skeptical?

Its catches/ targets

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

how is target defined? For example, I know they counted one of Crabtree’s targets in the playoffs a pass that Smith was clearly throwing away. without target being an official stat there’s no consistency.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Targets are recorded

doesn’t every pass has to be “targeted” towards a player otherwise its intentional grounding?

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

my point

every pass is “targeted” when in reality, 10-15% of a QBs passes aren’t meant to be catchable. Need a more reliable way to measure performance.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Its the least subjective method

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

if the ball was thrown better and more often he would have had more catches

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

To use Manraj7's argument

Smith had a 61.3% completion rate, good for tied 10th in the NFL, seems like the ball was throw to the right place more often than all but 9 other QBs in the NFL could do.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

it is pretty easy to throw checkdown five yard pass and alex smith also had a low number of throws.

65% completion of 700 passes is much better than 61% of 500 passes. Throw in the shorter passes attempted and you have yourself a huge difference!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

7.1 yards per pass, good for 17th in the NFL. Brees was the checkdown king in the playoff game, but no one cares because Sproles manages incredible YAC.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

that did not respond to anything what I posted.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

1. you posted nonsense

65% completion of 700 passes is much better than 61% of 500 passes.
65% is better than 61%, not sure what the attempts had to do with anything and how that relates to smith.

2. yes I did respond, 7.1 yards per attempt is evidence that he didn’t just check the ball down.

3. Smith was 19th in the NFL with passes for over 20 yards, despite the much lower number of attempts.

result, Crabtree can’t just blame smith for his poor production

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

no you did not and yes he can.

Smith had low number of attempted passes.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Is a low number of passes attempted the QBs fault?

I’m pretty sure a QB would be more than happy to throw for every play of the game…

by Takeo33 on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

but then the RB won't be happy

I think it was Peyton who said. If I throw the ball the RB and the O-Line are mad at me and if I run the ball the WRs are mad at me.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

As Always ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 31, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

that has to do with the number of passing plays called, not performance of either the QB or WRs.

Brees and Stafford got to throw an average of 41 passes a game, while Smith only got to throw 28. That’s a 46% increase, or the same as Smith throwing 4612 yards for the season / 288 a game.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

If you could get 7.1 yard per pass attempt

you’d call passes far more often. The reality AS can’t make all the passes, makes the wrong audibles and never feels pressure. Therefore you you are much more conservative in your pass calls. When the defense knew AS was in a passing situation (e.g. 3rd down), AS was a very mediocre if not awful QB.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

and if the distribution was the same Crabtree would have put up 1292 yards

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Offseason

I don’t think this offseason makes a difference in the Alex, and Crabtree connection. They’ve played a full season together in the new offense and developed chemistry. If anything this season just confirmed that Crabtree can not just be the only reliable receiver they have on the team. They need another one opposite of him, and no I’m not talking about Morgan when he comes back. They need a burner, with a big body.

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by EcERyda69 on Jan 31, 2012 10:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'd rather see a big WR opposite Morgan with Crabs on the bench.

Yeah, we invested more into Crabs. No, I don’t think he’s a better receiver than Morgan. He has yet to show that to me, anyway.

by runningblack on Jan 31, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

And what exactly has Josh Morgan shown you…ever? Crabtree has outproduced him every year. I don’t really get why so many Niner fans seem to be convinced that Morgan has this incredible, unfulfilled potential.

by InTimmyWeTrust on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Morgan

I believe he was the team’s leading receiver when he got hurt.

by David Fucillo on Jan 31, 2012 12:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

He had 15 catches and 220 yards in 5 games! In his two healthy seasons he averaged basically 60 catches, 600 yards, and 2/3 TDs. I’m not saying he’s bad, but he’s not that good. I think it’s pretty unfair to suggest he deserves to start over Crabtree.

by InTimmyWeTrust on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

alex smith and joshua morgan have a very good football relationship; if alex smith is back than morgan Needs to be back.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Their football relationship can't be considered. If it is, than we can handicapp the position for years to come.

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

morgan has talent and football chemistry is very important.

alex smith has not had a wideout come in and produce people huge expectations for “#1” wideout. Morgan and Crabtree will be the best for the team that is quarterbacked by alex smith. Morgan was on track to have the best year of his career while not being a starter. Changing the starting wideout every year will handicap the position. alex smith needs to work with the same wideouts for it to work best.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

What I mean is in the I set, with 2 WR's, Morgan and Crabtree's shortcomings as wideouts criple the offense.

Davis is always a threat, but his lack of gracefulness and soft hands, mean, we need another deep threat that can play every down, and not Tedd Ginn.

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Kyle Williams? Walker was a “deep” threat when Troy Smith was quarterback. Morgan is faster than people think and can get behind defenses. The problem is the ball needs to be thrown deep; if the ball is not thrown deep than nobody can catch it.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, Morgan isn't beating people deep, i don't see it.

And no, why play Delanie at WR, when he is usually in at fullback or TE. No, we need Delanie and Davis and Crabs and another WR with some size on the field. Let’s have a true 4 WR formation for once.

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He beats people because Crabtree is put on the #1 CB.

So Morgan gets the easy 1 v 1 match up. Its the same reason why Bowman had so many tackles because when teams are thinking about running they go we need to get to Willis first and Bowman goes free. Honestly if Crabtree wasn’t on the team Morgan wouldn’t be as good and if Willis wasn’t on the team Bowman wouldn’t be as good.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Last game of the 2010 season.

Morgan was beyond the secondary, alex smith threw a good ball deep, but morgan stopped running. looked like morgan did not think the ball was coming but he was all alone back there. Your tight end can still beat the secondary and get deep.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

When has that happened

I mean Gore and Norris worked perfectly

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

No, Norris has not come close to that 2006 season.

Miller is a better fullback and Gore was more productive behind him.

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

twas sarcasm

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Morgan is a bad player at all

and I think we will be better with him than without him. I don’t want him gone by any means.

by InTimmyWeTrust on Jan 31, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the prob w/ Morgan...

is that he’s as good as crabtree. he’s a hard blocker, he’s a possession receiver, and he’s adept at YAC. we basically have 2 guys on the roster that play the exact same game. although, i might say that morgan has better speed.

problem is, one of them costs considerably less than the other.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

If Morgan ends up on a team like NE/SD/NO/DET

e.g., a team with a good qb, I would place some money he would complete for 1000 yards if he had the playing time.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

book it!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he is a bad player, I just think Crabtree is better and we need a player better than Crabtree.

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree barely outproduced Morgan in 2010

Morgan averaged 43.6 yards a game and Crabtree 46.3 yards a game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joshmorgan/832/careerstats
http://www.nfl.com/player/michaelcrabtree/71269/careerstats

and while crabtree averaged 58.3 yards a game in 2011 his yards per catch was less than Morgan’s yards per catch before Morgan was injured.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The question is are his problems from a lack of skill, lack of motivation, or lack of a good quarterback? He isn’t the type of receiver like a Fitzgerald or Calvin who are built to produce no matter who’s throwing it, and we knew this coming out of college.

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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

this...

it’s not surprising to see his best production come in this years’ offense. i feel like the harbaugh game plan suits crabtree’s skill set. the motivation and the skills are definitely in question right now, and this has to be the year we find out who crabtree really is.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

calvin and fitz

staford and warner

fitz had his best years with warner

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6762/career;_ylt=AhW.O4E2.VhdDt9UAbvqXDv.uLYF

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4541/career;_ylt=AhW.O4E2.VhdDt9UAbvqXDv.uLYF

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

still.....

Shaun Hill has his best games when throwing jump balls to megatron.

and Skelton………………………………

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, but not the other way around!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

just speaking to clutchtree's point

- that some WR’s make a QB better. it’s tough to say that crabtree has made alex better. he’s just not that kind of player. however- i am of the mind that an alex w/ bigger balls might be surprised by crabtree’s ability, and vice versa. the first step is to grow balls.

if anything, the emergence of vernon has really made alex better. he’s led the team in TD’s for the last 3 seasons. it’s the guy that alex has the balls to take chances with.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

it is not tough at all to say, Alex Smith has the most yards with Micheal Crabtree of any wideout. That is a FACT! lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

i see what you're getting at...

and i generally agree that this year has been good for the 2 of them.

i just don’t think that you can disregard the effect of creative playcalling and the overall change in coaching as the reason alex has more yards this year. the team is committed to power running, but is smart enough to know you have to throw to break the 8 man fronts.

and consider that crabtree was the ONLY WR to play the full season, and you’re not looking at any statistical revelation there. it really is an irrelevant correlation.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex has more yards this year because he was the starter for all of the games. This year was his lowest yards per game average of his career; because he threw less and shorter passes. And when I state that Crabtree is alex smith best wideout it is not just this year but Alex Smith’s entire career.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The wide receiver with the most yards with alex smith is Micheal Crabtree!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Well ofcourse

the best WR will be better with a better QB

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No we didn't.
He isn’t the type of receiver like a Fitzgerald or Calvin who are built to produce no matter who’s throwing it, and we knew this coming out of college.

I tried to explain this 2009 and took a lot of heat.

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

his presence or lack there of will say everything we need to know about his commitment to the team

I have a feeling he shows up to most if not all voluntary workouts. Hopefully his postseason performance fuels him. I want to see a 80-100 reception year, 1,200 yards, and at least 10 TDs. That would make me very happy.

by Ador08 on Jan 31, 2012 10:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

was he not there during the lockout with a broken foot?

yes, he was there with a broken foot at practice!

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he hang around for

the chalkboard & bonding at Alex’s camp? (After usual off-season injury.)

by oldfoggy on Jan 31, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of off subject...

but it’s media day for the Super Bowl and I can’t help but think to myself how it should be the 49ers being showcased…ugh…

Let's giggity giggity Go 49ers!!!

by Kittles on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

Look....Crabtree still has plenty to prove !

so far, after 3 seasons, the only thing he has proven is that Michael is a “posession” type WR. However, even at that he drops and or lets to many balls go through his hands. He is kinda of a hot and cold move the chains possession WR.

I doubt all of a sudden now going into his 4th season…he changes into a big play deep threat WR.

First of all he ain’t that fast and secondly he ain’t that elusive. Michael fills our need for a “possession” WR. However, Im sure when the 49ers drafted him 3 seasons ago in the top of the 1st round they thought they were drafting an explosive, game changing, playmaker. Today, it is very clear Michael is what he is, a possession Guy, who sometimes has a hard time getting off the line of scrimmage and/or getting seperation. He needs to work on that !

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

this - always a shame that expectations are so high for guys in the first round

but as it stands, crabtree is a first round bust, performing at a level one would expect from a late second, early third round pick. If he goes to the mini-camps and plays in the preseason game and we have another strong receiver to draw attention from him we might see improvement.

In the end, Crabtree just doesn’t create that separation between himself and the DB that you see #1 WRs doing on a routine basis

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

....and this

it’s great to have a possession receiver on this squad. problem is- morgan’s also a possession receiver that has exceptional blocking skills. any addition to this offense needs to start with a deep threat receiver who can get separation.

and in the meantime, crabtree’s gonna be under the microscope- with the coaching staff looking for crisper routes and more burst at the line.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree...

struggles to get separation and lacks the size and speed to be a true #1 WR. In the draft, the big selling point was his mythical YAC at Texas Tech. That hasn’t translated to the pro game AT ALL.

BigMar tells it true. After three seasons, really big questions remain about whether Crabtree will “blossom” at the Pro Level. And all indications thus far are… he won’t. At this point in his career, he looks more like a Renaldo Nehemiah than a Jerry Rice. From a “will he, won’t he” perspective.

What we do know is this: He’s a possession receiver — as BigMar notes, he’s a solid #2 receiver and he needs help on the other side to be even that. He runs sloppy routes. Skips training camps. Matches up poorly against a competent defensive back.

I think it’s fine if the Niners keep Crabtree on board. But only the most delusional of fans could pitch that he’s met expectations. Hopefully, he has a breakthrough season next year.

I, for one, will be happy if he shows up for training camp.

by smathis on Jan 31, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Proof? struggles to get separation

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Watch him play.

It’s pretty evident he struggles at getting separation from DB’s. NFC Championship game is proof enough.

by Odekerk on Feb 1, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

You have the gametape?

From my time playing MMORPGs “SHARE PLOX”

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 1, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The thing about possession receivers

Are suppose to be able to throw to them in coverage and trust they will win the battle for the ball a majority of the time.

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Cowboy argument

Patrick Willis was a Cowboys fan in Tennessee – Crabtree was a Cowboys fan in Dallas. That’s a big difference. It’s like Tom Brady admitting felt like he was snubbed by the 49ers since they were his team growing up.

The cowboy argument is an important part of the discussion when talking about his lack of drive until mid-season this year. Crabtree’s holdout and performance in 2010 made it seem like he didn’t want to be in SF. That perception may have been augmented by his injury and high draft class status, but still, there’s a rational basis for it.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

clarification

tom brady felt snubbed because he grew up in SF, wasn’t just a fan.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex getting some deserved respect

Will help alot I think. Crab seemed to really pick up on the general idea that began with the former head coaches: everything that goes wrong is Alex’s fault. We’ve finally been able to identify a lingering problem.. Our receivers have sucked for years. Now, finally, crab showed a bit more promise and Morgan has lived up to a bit better than his 7th round pick. What will make these guys better, I think at least, is the balls that Alex can finally show and call these guys out (and the noobs coming in too), having the backing of the coach to get in their face and tell them to catch the damn ball, instead of getting a pass for drops because, you know, Alice didn’t hit em right in the hands with the perfect pass. If a Patriot wr drops a pass, it’s ‘catch the f#%€£n ball, a#%£€*e or I’ll cut your a*¥!!!’ certainly not ’Brady’s got small hands coach!’.

by marinfrs on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

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49ers offensive struggles in 2011
Category Total NFL rank
Net passing yards 183.1 29th
Pct. of red-zone drives resulting in TD 40.7 30th
Third-down conversion pct. 29.4 31st
Three-and-out drives 49 T-23rd

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Too lazy to lookit up now, but

I thought in 2010 the Niners had one of the better redzone offenses. Lot of good that did.

by ColoradoNiner on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty much.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

of course it will be good

They got their a lot more this year than last year.

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by EcERyda69 on Jan 31, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

agreement or argument?

Not sure which, I’m no game film aficionado, and I’ve watched Alex throw at people’s feet too.. But I’ve watched more than a few drops that were easy or at least manageable catches by nfl standards, that killed drives. Our starting wrs since 2005 other than Brandon Lloyd (whoa) wouldn’t be anything more than #2’s for anyone else. I guess that’s fitting since our offense has been #2 ever since mooch left

by marinfrs on Jan 31, 2012 3:17 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Being a #1 receiver is not just about putting up big stats during the season...

It’s about showing leadership both on and off the field. It’s about setting an example for all other receivers as to how they should conduct themselves on a daily basis. It’s about being a consummate professional.

I’m willing to give Crabtree a pass on the holdout his rookie season. Contract disputes are fairly normal in the NFL and you can’t fault a guy for wanting to get the best contract available to him. Likewise, nagging injuries are common place in the NFL. I’m sure we can all agree that we would rather have Crabtree healthy during the regular season than during the pre-season.

But this year NEEDS to be the year that he steps up both mentally and physically to prove that he can be a #1 guy. My personal opinion is that he will never be more than a #2 receiver on the depth chart. And if that’s his ceiling, that’s fine. He can still contribute a great amount to this team. I just hope Baalke and Harbaugh realize this at some point in the near future and start paying him like a #2 and start looking for someone to fill the void at #1.

by EyeBlack22 on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Obviously 2012 will be a "make-or-break" year for Crabtree ...

Either he will finally fix his attitude, dedicate himself to work hard at it, participate fully in ALL off-season activities, or he will be gone! For the team’s sake (and his) I hope that it’s the former … I’d hate to see yet another wasted draft pick like Balmer, Rachal and Mays.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

I have been on record as one of the biggest non-supporters of Crabtree and now I have come to the light.

You cannot expect a WR to have big season(s) with Alex at QB the way he is playing NOW. If Alex becomes more accurate and puts Crabtree in a position to have an impact, why wouldn’t he have one? I hardly ever see the kid in space or catching a pass in stride. QB’s can kill WR’s stats. So please don’t bring up his stats. He was taken to high, but that is not his fault, just as it wasn’t Smith’s fault he was taken #1.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

Smithtree - the root of the problem

Smith’s cautious QB style doesn’t gel well with a WR that doesn’t get good separation. Crabtree seems to need a QB like Jay Cutler that’s willing to take an insane amount of risks.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

No, just no.

it is not just crabtree; it is all wideouts on the team to include walker.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

you're both right

our receivers haven’t been consistently put in position to make the play. alex only makes the throw if it’s 100% there.

walker’s a great example, as he was the guy who made the catch of the 2010 season in London, when he went up to make the difficult grab. Getting those kinds of throws will make your receivers better. i think it will benefit crabtree to know that he’ll be rewarded for his hard work.

and yes, crabtree has worked hard.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

umm...

Alex Didn’t Throw It To Him In That Game, Troy Smith Did & He Was Pretty Much That Reason Last We Won All Our Games

by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 31, 2012 12:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

then you completely missed my point

i never said alex threw that ball. in fact, i said that alex doesn’t make those throws.

i also said that delanie was the constant in this one.

bigtime fail.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

where did I say it was just crabtree – thought combining the two names was more than obvious. So to clarify, Smith and Crabtree [Smithtree] are EQUALLY to blame for the lack in production. Crabtree makes a couple of difficult catches and Smith brings a couple of more passes down from the rafters and you’d have a 1000 yard receiver.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

i dare say

they seemed to show growing chemistry throughout the season. and it might have contributed to the release of bray bray. hell, the injuries of Morgan and Braylon, and to some extent, Delanie- helped force these two to get on the same page.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

one more season

to see if they can both live up to their draft status.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

by all means, 2012 is a make or break season for SmithTree.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He wasn't a Top 10 pick

Certainly wasn’t the top pick in the draft the ESPN hype machine was making him out to be. Still I think he is 1st Rnd receiver. Should have been drafted in 20’s. He is good, not a game changer who needs a constant double team but good.

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously

Alex Smith Has Missed Crabtree On Atleast 4 Potential TD Plays This Season That I Can Remember Of The Top Of My Head. Alex Makes Those Passes & Crabtree Has A Thousand Yard Season

by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 31, 2012 12:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Seriously

Crabtree catches 5 of the 10 passes that hit him square on the hands and he dropped and he’s a 1000 yard receiver.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

your comment is mindless like you screen name. Anything factual to add or just a personal attack? If not, please do not post personal attacks.

thank you

regards
Everyone else.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I would have called it pot calling kettle.

But I am not a kettle. I am actually making sense, unlike a small but vocal bunch of haters around here.

You are not welcome.

by Mindless on Jan 31, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

C'mon Y'all!!!!

you are BOTH contributing to an otherwise refreshing conversation about one of the biggest enigmas on our football team.

every one here’s bound to have a unique opinion- and sometimes will fail to express it properly. let’s help each other understand one another rather than get heated over assumptions!

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh & BTW

I Hope Madden UDPATES Alex Smith Because I’m Tired Of Always Throwing Lobs To My 6 Foot Recievers

by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 31, 2012 12:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

are you XBOX or PS3

Alex is pretty damn good in this game this year. Hit me up for agame My handle is Ec E Ryda69 on XBOX360

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by EcERyda69 on Jan 31, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Compare Crabtree to Giants,Packers WR's and even last years 1st round WR's

plus this years 2012 1st round WR’s and Crabtree after 3 complete NFL seasons may be ranked at the bottom of the WR list if all those WR’s were in the 2012 draft.

Think about that….. we are talken about the census 2009 best WR and supposed best player in the 2009 draft in Crabtree.

Now tell me he plays like the 2009 best player in that draft…..anyone?

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 PM PST reply actions  

ya, compare a wideout with eli manning passing to them vs. alex smith passing to them. not a good comparison.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, lets see...Nicks-Cruz-Manningham and then, Crabtree

he would be their 4th WR on that team. So I doubt Eli could make Crabtree a #1 WR.

Let me put it to you this way…..do you think that Bengal rookie WR Green even on our team, would have been the CLEAR #1 WR on our team over Crabtree? You know it’s… YES!

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

You cannot say that, Alex is his QB, not Eli.

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4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell, that undrafted Stanford Rookie WR Baldwin that Hawks signed as F/A

would have been our clear #1 WR over Crabtree.

Stop blaming Alex….. Crabtree should BE the ONE elevating Alex game. but in 3 seasons Crabtree has slightly improved HIMSELF.

Alex has improved with or without Crabtree.

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

hell, that victor cruz had the most yards on the giants; he was UDFA also...............

that means nothing when comparing.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

i wonder what happens to cruz

steve smith flourished and faded in the same system. plaxico excelled in NYG, disappeared in NYJ. Cruz only has one season under his belt. there’s no guarantee he’ll be as good next year.

i think the big thing, for all those guys in New York, is Eli + Nicks. They are both really really good football players.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Great example of how a good qb will make the wideout better.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

you're both right.

chemistry between WR and QB is what makes it all work. I might point to Fitzpatrick and Stevie Johnson.

does any one care to weigh in on which guy would be a better football player, stand alone?

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He's saying Baldwin produced with an awful QB in Tavaris Jackson.

Imagine how much more terrible Crabtree would be if his QB was even worse than Alex.

by Odekerk on Feb 1, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

number one number two number three

WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN?

You still can not base a solid “opinion” let alone state as facts with different qbs.

I mean drew brees threw for how many yards and how many yards did smith have? Would Crabtree really not have 300-500 more yards with brees as his qb? Yes, he would! 300 to 500 more yards receiving and Micheal Crabtree would be in the top 10 in yards receiving! 340 more yards and Micheal Crabtree is in the top ten last year; it is very reasonable to say that if Crabtree was not injured to start the year he would have been close if not reached that mark!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

number 2 receiver

means that when paired with a top-15 corner, the WR is shut down. That’s been the case with Crabtree, that’s why I call him a #2. A #1 will still produce, albeit not as much.

Crabtree was targeted 15 times in the post season, and came away with only 28 yards. That’s being shut down.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

is it being shut down or just not thrown to?

if teams look to shut down crabtree that means he is the biggest threat on offense! What happened against the giants. check down check down check down, try to throw deep pass to vernon. check down check down. Great game to cite example!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Vernon was clearly our biggest threat on offense

Vernon and Crabtree both had 15 passes thrown their way in the post season, Vernon racked up 292 yards and 4TDs while Crabtree had 28 yards and 1TD.

Crabtree only caught 33% of the passes thrown to him in the post season.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

speed kills

seriously, vernon is a fast MoFo.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

if you’re not fast you need to be quick. Crabtree’s not fast . . . still waiting to see if he’s quick

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

gaw, he looks so slow!

when he makes his breaks, it always seems like his head and arms are flapping about. seems like those should be taught to have more quickness when changing direction!

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

that's a good point

seems like he almost needs to talk with a gymnist about body control and how to spin with a compact core instead of the awkward windmill motion

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

stop waiting and watch the games.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

didn't I just read this somewhere
your comment is mindless like you (sic) screen name. Anything factual to add or just a personal attack? If not, please do not post personal attacks. thank you

regards
Everyone else

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

but, that was not a personal attack!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

never seen a niner game,

missed one game in the last I do not know how many games. crabtree is not kyle williams but he is quick and it does show on the field which was the point of my statement which was not a personnel attack!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

not sure what telling someone to watch the games is then

when they’re providing their opinion on a player’s strengths and weaknesses observed in games.

As I said above, I think Crabtree needs to learn better body control so that makes cleaner cuts, will give fans the impression that he’s become quicker.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

he is quick already

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You are full of it.

And yes, that was a personal remark.

by Mindless on Jan 31, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

pesonal or personel

why does everyone come to this site, again?

personally, i like it when people post pics of jeff garcia’s wife. anyone else? oh, and the occasional ribbing of london niner, eddgy, or manraj

where’s mr. instigator when you need him?!?

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

she is hot though!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, thanks for the second attack of the day!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Vernon would be the biggest threat on any 32 of the teams in the league!

he is often the fastest player on the field and is often the biggest catch passer and much bigger than the all of the defenders besides dlineman.

again comparing that to crabtree is a fail. who catches passes thrown out of bounds or at the feet?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

How many other teams have a TE as their #1 receiving threat?

1. New Orleans.

Every other team has a WR that out performs the TE. Don’t think it’s asking too much to have at least one WR out perform our TE. Also don’t think it’s asking too much to want more than average from the 9th overall pick in the draft.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

new england? lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

just two of the most prolific passing attacks in the league!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It's true

Belicheck and Payton are in the front seeing how rules changes will affect the game and how they can take advantage of it. The best and time honored way to stop those 6’6’ 260 pound tight ends from going over the middle is to lay them the hell out. But now that’s illegal, you have to let them catch the ball and make a football move before you can lay them out.

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by Ougadas on Jan 31, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

still laying them out!

Graham had to have a concussion in the playoff game but they let it ride.

On one of Vernon’s td catches he kneed the defender right in the stomach as he caught the pass, Vernon laid the defender out! love it!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m surprised we haven’t been penalized. But even if we start seeing a flag every now and then — lay em out. Make them think twice the next time they want to come across the middle.

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by Ougadas on Jan 31, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish those late hits are reviewable

bring it back in the game. Because you are allowed to hit them but in a specific way. Its hard to catch it when things are going so fast but if you can slow it down you can see what really happens.

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by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

again

NO is the ONLY team in the NFL to have a TE as the top receiving threat.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry, because Wes Welker had 217 yard day he has 200 more yards, new england uses their two tight ends as their number ones

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

point of conversation

you need a #1 WR that is just as much of a threat if not more of a receiving threat than your TE. Otherwise, teams can just stack up coverage on the TE . . . like they do against us!

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

really? show it? prove it? just saying it proves nothing.

the fact is he was open and so was kyle williams.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He's just not that good

But he is fairly solid aside from having overrated hands. The real problem is we have no depth behind him.

by znk916 on Jan 31, 2012 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

his "overrated" hands catch the 15 foot high passes from alex smith. ya, overrated catching those.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

everybody on the niners drop balls

vernon had a horrendous season when it comes to hanging on.

however, yes, crabtree dropped them at the wrong time, and vernon did not.

i think the big point is that vernon’s had some time to learn from mistakes and embrace the length of a football season, while crabtree is still very much a young student.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes me wonder

If he actually prefers the ball thrown away from his body since he seems to snatch at the ball rather than body catching it like VD does.

Maybe Alex throws him to him high because Crabs told him that’s what he wants, who knows.

by znk916 on Jan 31, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

hmm....

interesting suggestion. it’s so true. hell, vernon’ll jump to make sure he body-catches throws that are a little too high.

i’m always impressed by crabtree’s hands when he snatches the ball out of the air.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

you mean at his feet or behind him? yes, but so does everyone else including vernon and frank gore.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Colin Kaperneck

The Next Steve Young, But Just Stronger & Faster! :O

by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 31, 2012 12:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I hope so!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Colin reminds me of a "poor man's version" of Cam Newton....and that ain't a bad thing!

by poor mans version I mean Cam appears to be bigger, stronger, faster, but anyone just below a level of superman ain’t bad.

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

poor man version?

The person who trained both of them said Kaepernick was more athletic than Newton.

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by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You

Know Colin Kaperneck Has A Faster 40 Then Cam & For What’s Its Worth He Can Throw A 92 Mile an Hour Fastball

by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 31, 2012 1:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

exaggeration and hyperbole!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

What surprised me about Cam

is that before the draft when he had that sit down with Gruden on ESPN, I couldnt beleive that this kid could diagnose a defense at the next level. The mechanics were there, the physical ability was there, but the mental side of it I didnt see. This year showed that if he keeps it up he is going to be super star in this league.

In Colins case, he is very bright, probably as smart as Alex. Poor foot work, long delivery on his throws, strong powerful arm, and just as fast athletically as Cam Newton. If Harbaugh works with him with his footwork Colin could be just like Cam Newton in a year a two. If he can add on at least 10-15 more punds of muscle to his frame he could be every bit the running threat Cam is.

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by EcERyda69 on Jan 31, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

this is what really had me going about him being a bust.
I want to be a Icon and Entertainer

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't be too surprised

The problem with rookie QB’s isn’t that they can’t diagnose a NFL defense when they are sitting down with a coach and looking at tape and have time. Any guy you can get in the draft can do that.

The issue is always can they make the right identification of coverage after the snap when the pressure is coming and you have 2 seconds flat to identify the coverage and get rid of the ball. If you hit drop depth and don’t know if it’s Cover 2 or Cover 3, you are in a very bad place. And most rookies are. Cam Newton included. Even with the way Chudzinski simplified the reads he still threw 17 picks.

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by Ougadas on Jan 31, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of Cam Newton ...

He was completely exposed in the Pro Bowl. He got a lot buzz and I hear how he is the hands down ROY but what did they run in Carolina this year? Who did they play? I made it a point to watch zero Carolina Panther games this season and now I am curious. He couldn’t make the most basic reads during a Pro Bowl game, how did he manage to produce during the regular season?

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

its the probowl

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by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya the defense cannot do anything. He misread coverages and threw some horrible off target passes.

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

well some people care some people do not

so I tend not to care that much about the game.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Newton was trying to win game MVP

He refused to go down after 7 alligators so the defense was forced to start hitting him.

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

oh I didn't watch the game

cuz it sucks

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It did suck

The reason the NFC lost is because Newton stunk it up.

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

oh wow thanks Newton for costing the niners some money

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

By poor man, does that mean he’ll throw fewer INTs as well?? :P

by Mapletreemarty on Feb 1, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

IMO...

I still think the 49ers are limited with Alex Smith at the helm. He was wide open and Smith missed him.

by Abe Lopez on Jan 31, 2012 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

Cant wait...

….to see what Kaepernick learned this year.

by Abe Lopez on Jan 31, 2012 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

If Kaepernick turns out to be one of the 3 best Q.B's from the 2011 draft... look out!

I still wonder about to rumors.

1) Did the 9ers really want prefer Andy Dalton over Colin?

2) Did the Raiders really want Kaepernick…and thus the reason for the 9ers leapfrogging Raiders in order to draft ahead of them?

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the answer to both those questions is yes, but I’ve got nothin to back it up.

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

What does it matter?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

What rumors?

I haven’t heard one actual report. I read a lot of comments from those who didn’t like the Kaep pick b.s.ing the 49ers actually wanted Dalton. Except for the facts the 49ers made the trade with Dalton already drafted and the entire 49ers coaching staff visited Kaep for a work out in Nevada, no such workout with Dalton. This notion that the front office panicked in the war room and drafted Kaep is NN comment board made up rumor.

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

imo the front office wasn't sold on Alex Smith heading into this year

and when Dalton was drafted, they resolved to trade up to make sure they got the last prospect Harbaugh believed he could coach. I suspect we overpaid maybe a little, just like we overpaid for Anthony Davis but the overall preseason strategy was at stake so hard to complain. I wouldn’t call it a panic but a reasonable course of action but certainly one that was reactionary.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

thats a hypothesis

no proof involved

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

They gave Kaepernick more attention leading up to the draft than Dalton. You had Harbaugh giving quotes on Cam Newton as “plutonium grade material” and the 49ers ended up with the QB prospect most like Newton.

None of these backup drop inuwindows where Dalton was the target and Kaep was the consolation prize have any support. When I say support, I’m not taking about a convincing case. I’m talking about support for any shred of a case. It seemed crystal clear by draft day Kaep was the target.

by bignerd on Jan 31, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It isn't to say Dalton was the prefered target between the two

Kaep might have been the preference the entire time. It was just once Dalton was gone, Kaep was the last man standing.

by asmithisaverage on Feb 1, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

He has to show up

He has to be the hardest working guy on the team. He has to put it together and be the guy we thought we drafted next year. He has the potential, he just has to get focused.

No more coming into the season making rookie mistakes like stepping out of bounds half a yard before the 1st down marker, no more diving for the pylon when he only has one foot down in bounds, and no more catching the ball and then trying to run a loop instead of making a cut and getting up-field.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

agree on all of your points about Alex Smith.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure he has the potential

to live up to his draft spot — not anymore. He’s damaged goods. The sooner Kaepernick is ready the better.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 31, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

You think he can already be ready?

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Who knows?

He showed very much progress from the pre-season to the Tampa Bay game — but is the Tampa Bay starting secondary better than the scrubs San Diego had in? I don’t know.

But we haven’t seen anything from him since so I guess we have to wait until the pre-season. Athletically, talent-wise, he was there when he was drafted. It’s the technique and decision making that he has to improve.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 31, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

vs Alex

the decision making has to be A1. Alex was markedly better this year at the line. I don’t know much about developing an NFL QB, but I’d guess kaep’s ability to read the defense is a huge hill to climb.

I like that there seems to be an emphasis on the QB running the ball in this offense. Seems like the offense is setting itself up to pass the torch on to a guy with wheels.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how much is Alex and how much was Harbaugh

But he made decisions that minimized risk consistently, but I’m not sure that’s a great thing.

While this does nearly eliminate turnovers, it also kills drives, which are also turnovers. The only difference is field position — and if you do it too often your defense gets tired and makes mistakes.

If I can get you in 3rd and long and know that you are ultra-conservative, I can dictate that the only places you can go with the ball will have risk attached and get off the field easily.

And opposing defenses did exactly that with consistency this season when we had 3rd and long.

Every time Jamie Dukes says something enlightening and informative about football Jerry Rice and I mount up on our flying grizzly bears and claim pirate treasure from the moon. That's how often it happens.

by Ougadas on Jan 31, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

alex has the brain and harbaugh has the wisdom

kaep has the tools.

you’re hitting the head of the nail here with the third and longs. i feel like the team was hitting it’s stride midseason when the emphasis was so heavily on the run game. when the passing game became more of a feature, the team was doing less to move the ball in the early downs.

Not to bring it back to QB sneaks, but this is a great opportunity for the offense to dictate some of those 2nd/3rd and long coverages. Defenses know alex won’t hit them deep, but the LB’s might keep their eye’s in the backfield if they’re worried about the QB leaking out. And when they pass coverage on to the safeties, there’ll be more room for TE’s and WR’s to work.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Kaep isn't dumb either

didn’t he score in the 40s

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

isn't that an F?
didn’t he score in the 40s

j/k – crazy wonderlic

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS, so MUCH THIS, damaged goods. Too damaged!!

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Watch what you wish for , is all I'm gonna say ( Not really ) , but it's not always Greener ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 31, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not always browner

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

2011 Q.B.'s drafted in first 3 rounds...

C.Newton – Panthers

J.Locker- Titans

B.Gabbert- Jaguars

C.Ponder – Vikes

A.Dalton – Bengals

C.Kaepernick- 49ers

R.Mallet – Patriots

From what you know today, and what you think you may know about future….how would you rank these Q.B’s ?

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

my rankings

1. C.Newton – Panthers

2. A.Dalton – Bengals

Undecided
J.Locker- Titans
B.Gabbert- Jaguars
C.Ponder – Vikes
C.Kaepernick- 49ers
R.Mallet – Patriots

by reedkrase on Jan 31, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

same.

with Newton 1a, and Dalton 1b. they’re so close in my eyes.

Gabbert really has a long way to go, as the one tier 2 guy with enough film out there to make a solid judgement on. Arrow down on him, and arrow up on Ponder. Pon showed good leadership and is really fitting in well with that team.

by t p on Jan 31, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

hard to argue

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 31, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Newton, Dalton, Mallet, Kaepernick

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone Needs To Go

I don’t think another year will improve their chemistry, even if Crabs actually shows up for training camp. When you have a QB who is still inconsistent, and a WR with questionable hands who doesn’t run crisp routes, it’s a bad combo. Bring in a better QB and keep Crabs. Or bring in a true #1 WR and keep Alex.

by mdsmooth on Jan 31, 2012 2:30 PM PST reply actions  

One never knows...It just may be Kaepernick

I mean look what Harbaugh and our Q.B. coach did with Alex!

Who is to say that behind the scenes that Kaepernick is indeed making forward progress and by training camp has enough to put him on equall footing with Alex….then best Q.B. starts 2012.

I know this much….I think, Colin has some superior tools, height, weight, arm, speed over Alex.

However, I think upstairs, smarts wise, both Alex and Colin are equall.

Of course where Alex has Colin is in starting game experience.

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree needs to learn how to get seperation in the offseason

it was clear that he struggles to separate this season. he’s not a bad player but his skill sets still arent where a #1 should be, no matter who his QB is crabtree needs to develop some more skills this isnt the big 12 anymore with weak DB’s. at best i see him as a #2, also i doubt he really wants to be in sf.

by baykid415 on Jan 31, 2012 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

Bye Bye

If he hasn’t truly bought in after this season, get rid of him. Harbs won’t stand for that crap!

by mdsmooth on Jan 31, 2012 4:02 PM PST reply actions  

quick question are you in favor of Alex Smith?

If so why? He hasn’t produced great numbers since he came in 6 years ago

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Niether has the TEAM , In year Seven , he & his TEAM numbers are Great ... 14-4 ...

… That’s the stat that matters and that’s why Harbaugh and Baalke will bring him back , the more you keep whinning about it and casting blame the further you get from reality …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 31, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

14-4 in a team stat so shouldn't we not worry about any of our players?

and I was just asking that because he is bashing Crabtree for not producing the stats I was just wondering if there is a double standard floating around.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

so my statement was more in the defense of Crabtree instead of bashing Alex Smith

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Just don't know why you can't be excited about both next year ...

… if you look at the good Teams around the League , they one thing they have in common is , same Coach , same system and a good amount of the same core players year in year out ..!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 31, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I never said i wasn't excited

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

and crabtree is part of our core team

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup and can't wait to see him in year Two under Harbaugh ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

me too

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean we saw them pick up towards the end

I think he put up 500+ yards in the last 6 weeks.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

For me most players got a Mulligan while Sing was there ....

… now that this Team has some great Coaching , I’m excited for whom ever they bring in … Can’t Wait … Can’t Wait …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 31, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Year 2 should be more indicative of our team than year 1

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Year 2 with Sing was not the case. The fault was on his inability to coach at this level and the fact that Smith is just average.

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup , now that he has a feel for the players on the Team , he can just keep adding more of everything ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 31, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I think a TE would be more beneficial to the team than a WR would.

I’m talking about an athletic TE like Fleener. 4.5 40 260 lbs 6’6 would make Crabs and VD life so much easier and he is a TE which Alex Smith and Harbaugh like to target.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm kewl with bringing in a kid like Fleener , would fit Harbaugh's system ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ..( .AleX ) was asked , what do you think about all the game manager talk ... AleX i guess i just managed myself a VIctory ... Extend the Man ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 31, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The offense is still compressed and leaves too many people in the box.

The team would have to add some more OL depth or starters because your blocking has to be near flawless, and this isn’t college. A more compressed offense means Alex has the same struggles, book it Dano!

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

If you pull people in you can take them out as well

just matching a TE against a LB could make things scary. I mean current playoff teams are just horrible against the TE or the run. Adding another athletic TE would make it easier to run the ball and throw the ball.

You make a decent point that it would bring people in but you can always motion the TEs to move outside and you get a TE against a LB on the outside or they pull a S to the outside. Then you get a better matchup and the middle is now missing a LB or a S. These Xs and Os worked in my head dunno how they would actually work because I didn’t play.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

But Smith is the QB, how often is he throwing guys open?

He doesn’t throw into the heart of the zone, aside from the Vernon Post.

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Well it wouldn't matter what we do if we just say that Alex can't do anything

This will make it easier for him and give us favorable matchups.

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Bashing Crabtree

I think we’ve all accepted that Alex Smith did NOT live up to his #1 overall draft status. He is a draft bust. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player, he just wasn’t the player we drafted him to be.

Crabtree gets the same kind of treatment from me, he has not lived up to his status as a guy that “fell” to ninth overall. That doesn’t mean he’s not a good player, and that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t bring a certain amount of value to the team. He does, just not what he was drafted to bring.

by reedkrase on Feb 1, 2012 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

They are bringing him back for convenience first, just like the beginning of the season.

YOU WILL NOT SEE A 5 year deal given to Smith, because Harbaugh knows his offense is hampered because his QB is inaccurate.

1. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
2.Xavier Rhodes CB FSU/ Vinny Curry OLB/DE Marshall/ LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
3. Brandon Boykin, CB/KR/PR, Georgia/ Alex Okafor*, DE, Texas
4. DeMarlo belcher WR Indiana
5. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
6. Marvin Jones WR Cal
7.T.J. Barnes*, DT/NT, Georgia Tech

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

406/681, 4918 yards, 7.2Y/A, 32TD, 7INT, 93QBR, 17-5 since "We Want Carr" chants.

36/68, 495 yards, 5TD, 0INT, 101QBR, 1-1 in playoffs

If that isn’t great, I don’t know what to say. This is also with a bad WR corp and a bad offensive line.

by Odekerk on Feb 1, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

take the wins out of the argument

And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman

by manraj7 on Feb 1, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

the only thing

I question about Colin is his tuffness. Can he get hit & still play a good game. I mean the dude is a freak 6’5 With A Cannon & Can Run 4.54 40yard dash. That’s faster then most defensive backs & pretty much every linebacker in the game Excluding Willis

by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 31, 2012 4:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Here It Is

Colin 6’5 233

Alex 6’4 224

by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 31, 2012 4:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not to harp on Alex

But when you watch him play the game, he does not play like a 6’4 QB just based on how many passes get knocked down at the line of scrimmage…

Also, I can’t remember if I’ve ever seen him pump fake….(I don’t get to watch all the games either, but some insight would be great)

by Mapletreemarty on Feb 1, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

For the most part

I think people make too much of Alex having comparatively small hands.

HOWEVER….

If you want to pump fake effectively, it requires a ton of hand strength, and a firm grip on the ball. In that regard, Alex’s hand size probably actually does affect that.

Also, I just don’t think it’s something he thinks about when he’s not comfortable, and he hasn’t looked consistently comfortable prior to this past season.

"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will

by lottwasgangsta on Feb 1, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Solid #2 (#3 if you count Vernon Davis)

Agree with the line of thinking that although he hasn’t lived up to his high draft status, he’s still solid. He’s shown flashes over the last few years. His hands were terrible this year compared to his rookie year, and hopefully he gets that back.

For those who think he hasn’t bought into the team, I disagree. He’s repeatedly mixed it up in downfield blocking. Harbaugh singled him out several times as consummate team guy. I think he would have just said nothing if Crabs was being a prima donna wideout.

That said, I thought he had a pretty bad playoff run, and didn’t earn the right to have Smith throw into coverage so Crabs could just make a play. He seemed to be open a couple times and Smith missed him, but he needs to be more open more of the time. And if he wants the chance to make plays, he also has to make plays when given the chance cough New Orleans drops cough. But I’m optimistic he builds off some of the good things this year and has a better year next year.

by RGOB on Jan 31, 2012 4:15 PM PST reply actions  

Crabtree...the first and last guy in & out of training camp every freak'en day

and after practice I want to see him & Alex & Colin….playing toss & catch for at least a half hour to build even more chemistry.

And I dont want to hear about my foot, my back, my head….just be there!

by BigMar on Jan 31, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

2 More Seasons

Til Colin Starts I Give It. Maybe This Season If Something Happens To Alex

As For Crabtree He’s Not Bad At All. Give Him One More Season To Learn The PlayBook & Then Will Go From There. I Remember He Made PP His Bitch When We Played At Home. The Dude Excel In The YAC. We All Know He Doesn’t Have Straight Line Speed , But He’s A Better Blocker Then Nick, Britt, Maclin & About Tied With Percy Harvin Which Is What We Need In A Wide Out

by LA#1BullsFan on Jan 31, 2012 4:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Crabtree is......

A very talented receiver who more quick than fast but very good in short area. His problem is he drops too many catch-able balls and he’s not a burner so they JH will have to find ways to get him down-field other than vertical routes. One thing about Raye is he used a ton of crossing routes and comebacks to get Crab in spots to use that short area quickness. Morgan on the other hand is the prototypical WCO WR……fast, strong and physical. The thing that I think most fans like when they see Morgan is his game speed…..dude accelerates quickly and has the quickness to make people miss in the open field. Crab is probably a 4.6 guy while Morgan is a legit 4.45 guy and if Morgan had Crabs targets he would out preform him. Bottomline is this, draft a guy and come back with Crabtree, Morgan and Williams. With the talent already here and a whole off-season to workout the kinks this offense could pass for over 4000 yards with Alex Smith at the helm.

by Iamczar on Jan 31, 2012 6:27 PM PST reply actions  

I want the Niners to succeed but how much you want for the under?
this offense could pass for over 4000 yards with Alex Smith at the helm.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

could is operative word

by reedkrase on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Quick Question...

If the Raiders went ahead and took Crabtree at #7 in the draft like many mocks had it, who would the Niners have selected at #10???

by Mapletreemarty on Feb 1, 2012 8:23 AM PST reply actions  

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